Bid to fight off austerity cuts hurt by 'squabbling' (From Daily Echo)

Oh well done Echo nice one

southy wrote:
Oh well done Echo nice one

For what, not reporting the facts?

'“This is a time to be bold and have the courage to stand on the *right* side of the line,”. Poor choice of words Mr Chaffey!

I suppose the flag is the closest the Socialist Party will ever get to moving in, I hope you enjoyed the moment, I'm not going to begrudge you it.

So we had to pay Council workers to dismantle the entire flag pole whilst workers are losing jobs to save money. Well done, great idea!

IronLady2010 wrote:
So we had to pay Council workers to dismantle the entire flag pole whilst workers are losing jobs to save money. Well done, great idea!

Well, start small... really small.

IronLady2010 wrote:
So we had to pay Council workers to dismantle the entire flag pole whilst workers are losing jobs to save money. Well done, great idea!

Gave the security some thing to do while they where watching the car park

A few weeks ago the Labour leader of Birmingham City Council predicted the end of local government as we know it.

Before then Conservative-led Barnet Council published its now infamous 'graph of doom' which forecasts that by 2020 the only services that the Council will be able to afford will be children's and adult social care.

Yesterday Newcastle City Council published factual data showing how central government funding formula for local Councils has hit urban metropolitan areas like Southampton disproportionately harder than the affluent more rural areas.

Nevertheless today we learn that the rural West Somerset Council is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy.

Surely it is time for local councillors of all persuasions to stand together to oppose central government cuts in local government funding - especially here in Southampton where citizens are being treated far less fairly than neighbouring districts and counties.

I am very disappointed that the Southampton Conservatives refuse to join Labour, Liberal Democrats and the Socialist Left Opposition councillors in standing up for Southampton's interests. In so doing they put their own petty party politics before the needs of local citizens. Shame on them.

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
A few weeks ago the Labour leader of Birmingham City Council predicted the end of local government as we know it.

Before then Conservative-led Barnet Council published its now infamous 'graph of doom' which forecasts that by 2020 the only services that the Council will be able to afford will be children's and adult social care.

Yesterday Newcastle City Council published factual data showing how central government funding formula for local Councils has hit urban metropolitan areas like Southampton disproportionately harder than the affluent more rural areas.

Nevertheless today we learn that the rural West Somerset Council is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy.

Surely it is time for local councillors of all persuasions to stand together to oppose central government cuts in local government funding - especially here in Southampton where citizens are being treated far less fairly than neighbouring districts and counties.

I am very disappointed that the Southampton Conservatives refuse to join Labour, Liberal Democrats and the Socialist Left Opposition councillors in standing up for Southampton's interests. In so doing they put their own petty party politics before the needs of local citizens. Shame on them.

Tell that to Satvir Kaur.

Shoong wrote:

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
A few weeks ago the Labour leader of Birmingham City Council predicted the end of local government as we know it.

Before then Conservative-led Barnet Council published its now infamous 'graph of doom' which forecasts that by 2020 the only services that the Council will be able to afford will be children's and adult social care.

Yesterday Newcastle City Council published factual data showing how central government funding formula for local Councils has hit urban metropolitan areas like Southampton disproportionately harder than the affluent more rural areas.

Nevertheless today we learn that the rural West Somerset Council is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy.

Surely it is time for local councillors of all persuasions to stand together to oppose central government cuts in local government funding - especially here in Southampton where citizens are being treated far less fairly than neighbouring districts and counties.

I am very disappointed that the Southampton Conservatives refuse to join Labour, Liberal Democrats and the Socialist Left Opposition councillors in standing up for Southampton's interests. In so doing they put their own petty party politics before the needs of local citizens. Shame on them.

Tell that to Satvir Kaur.

Even low the Torys have not joined Labour it do not mean Labour need to stop, they have the ruling majority and can carry on in that direction, and Labour knew well in advance that the Torys would not vote on that matter with Labour, And I think you find Labour will use it as an excuse to make them look good in the public eye come the next local election, when they can say we tried. but the Torys was not interested in the good of the city, but like said even low the Torys have said no, it should not stop the Labour Majority Controlled Council from carry on.

“It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.”

Says it all really...

Someone should slap this man and say: NO. Your job is to ensure that you do everything in your power to improve the situation presented. It is not to point fingers and call names. You should have left a 10 year olds attitude at school.

Shoong wrote:

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
A few weeks ago the Labour leader of Birmingham City Council predicted the end of local government as we know it.

Before then Conservative-led Barnet Council published its now infamous 'graph of doom' which forecasts that by 2020 the only services that the Council will be able to afford will be children's and adult social care.

Yesterday Newcastle City Council published factual data showing how central government funding formula for local Councils has hit urban metropolitan areas like Southampton disproportionately harder than the affluent more rural areas.

Nevertheless today we learn that the rural West Somerset Council is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy.

Surely it is time for local councillors of all persuasions to stand together to oppose central government cuts in local government funding - especially here in Southampton where citizens are being treated far less fairly than neighbouring districts and counties.

I am very disappointed that the Southampton Conservatives refuse to join Labour, Liberal Democrats and the Socialist Left Opposition councillors in standing up for Southampton's interests. In so doing they put their own petty party politics before the needs of local citizens. Shame on them.

Tell that to Satvir Kaur.

Sometimes the 'cut & thrust' of debate in the council chamber can lead to statements which, on reflection and in the cold light of dawn, shouldn't have been said.

I think we also need to acknowledge that Satvir is a new councillor; maybe her nerves and the eagerness to impress played a part?

However, the real crime is a 28% budget reduction which Eric Pickles agreed for the Department of Communities & Local Government. My understanding is that across all the other Government departments (around a dozen of them!) the average budget cut comes out under 10%. Localism; they're having a laugh!

Finally, in defence of SCC and ALL politicians having to make really hard decisions - there is no way that there is 28% of waste in the system. Now it is a case of actually stopping some services and making redundant many good public servants; many of whom are city residents and will be added to Southampton's unemployment statistics.

So local politicians of ALL parties, stop squabbling, unite on this issue and put forward a strong case to Government that this great city is being made to pay for the gross errors of those who are not being made to suffer - namely bankers and MPs.

Independent Thought when I first meet and spoke to Satvir about 3 years ago, she seem to be a nice girl and had the right ideas and her heart in the right place for the people, but since she been elected in and the Labour Whip took her under her wing and been guiding Satvir she has change, she is slowly been converted to a normal Labour capitalist and team player.

The ruling Labour Party are merely trying to cover up for their own inadequacies. Upon entering the Civic Centre they immediately staggered from one disaster to another!
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Labour were elected knowing the details of the position of the City of Southampton. If they didn't, why not?, and what the heck were they playing at in making promises to the electorate?! (Probably obeying the words of their Unions Masters)
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Williams and Co are bankrupt of experience and know how to govern Southampton. You reap what you sow and Southampton's well being is currently in the hands of imcompetents.

Absolutely typical!! "...... divided they fall".

Yet more evidence to cut Hampshire down from 15 councils to say four; saving £-millions in over managed top dog salaries, councillor expenses paid for generating hot air and spending the savings on essential public servcies ..... and all this without selling off the family silver!

Hey ho!

So A Tory councillor who's been accused of many things was willing to work with this council for the good of the people of this city Well done the Tories!
But Wait a new Labour councillor ( new?) attacks the Tories for agreeing to try to stop their own government cuts against the wishes of Williams & Letts?
Will she be joining Thomas & morrels party soon or aren't you going to punish her for destroying the peace?
Labour Council makes a mess of our city because they are in a mess

southy wrote:
Oh well done Echo nice one

What's the matter..... don't you like have the moronic behaviour of your "party" exposed ?

Needs Budget Program.... link to the information please because I cant find it on the two manifestos that you have said it was on.

Cyber__Fug wrote:

southy wrote:
Oh well done Echo nice one

What's the matter..... don't you like have the moronic behaviour of your "party" exposed ?

Needs Budget Program.... link to the information please because I cant find it on the two manifestos that you have said it was on.

Its on our web site Cyber, but you will have to back date on the web site to come across it, its on the TUSC, SP, and Northern SWP web sites.
And when you do go on to one off those sites treble check that your not on a clone or false web site, do a full header beck ground check first.

southy wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:

southy wrote:
Oh well done Echo nice one

What's the matter..... don't you like have the moronic behaviour of your "party" exposed ?

Needs Budget Program.... link to the information please because I cant find it on the two manifestos that you have said it was on.

Its on our web site Cyber, but you will have to back date on the web site to come across it, its on the TUSC, SP, and Northern SWP web sites.
And when you do go on to one off those sites treble check that your not on a clone or false web site, do a full header beck ground check first.

WTF are you on about now? Shouldn't you know where this is exactly? Do you give this answer to a potential voter? Cripes.

Show us a link, you can copy and paste onto here, if it exists.

Yes Shoong i know where it is, i have it book mark and go straight to the front page.

I find it bizare that even in hindsight(we have missed out on a crucial and invaluable grant) the monkeys from the blue and red tribe are slinging feaces at eachother.... You lot are worse then those featured in article, who would argue about the colour of Sh1t if it made them look better.

southy wrote:
Yes Shoong i know where it is, i have it book mark and go straight to the front page.

Are you being incredibly stupid on purpose?

Paste the link into a comment. Put up or shut up.

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Yes Shoong i know where it is, i have it book mark and go straight to the front page.

Are you being incredibly stupid on purpose?

Paste the link into a comment. Put up or shut up.

No but you are showing your stupidity, I do not need to do as you order me to do, plus web site rules say no out side links, simple enough rule even for you to follow is it not, also I am not here to do your bidden or any one elses.
Or is it your emphasise is to have perfect english and unable to do any thing else for your self.

Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government.
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Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government....
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As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City.
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Just want to prtectet their own backsides.
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Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before.
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And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Yes Shoong i know where it is, i have it book mark and go straight to the front page.

Are you being incredibly stupid on purpose?

Paste the link into a comment. Put up or shut up.

No but you are showing your stupidity, I do not need to do as you order me to do, plus web site rules say no out side links, simple enough rule even for you to follow is it not, also I am not here to do your bidden or any one elses.
Or is it your emphasise is to have perfect english and unable to do any thing else for your self.

I'm not ordering you to do anything - as a representative of the TUSC party, I am asking you to direct me to the 'Needs Budget Program' that you have stated exists on the TUSC web site and that yourself and the TUSC party have endorsed.

I've searched on Google. No hits. By the way, if it doesn't show up on Google then you really need to up your game.

One last chance or we are going to assume you are making it up.

Again.

Lots of good posts on here today. Whilst there will always be 'party politics' do they gave to dominate to the detriment of the business at hand. Unitary Authorities such as SCC were always going to struggle financially because they are too small and because of the finance formula for central government grant which is not fit for purpose. I would prefer to do away with the district Council's and have a 'greater Southampton' Council. Places like Totton, C-Ford, Eastleigh etc (the bordering suburbs) all share massive transport and employment links. It maintains local representation and make massive financial and policy sense.

thinklikealocal wrote:
Lots of good posts on here today. Whilst there will always be 'party politics' do they gave to dominate to the detriment of the business at hand. Unitary Authorities such as SCC were always going to struggle financially because they are too small and because of the finance formula for central government grant which is not fit for purpose. I would prefer to do away with the district Council's and have a 'greater Southampton' Council. Places like Totton, C-Ford, Eastleigh etc (the bordering suburbs) all share massive transport and employment links. It maintains local representation and make massive financial and policy sense.

Spot on "thinklikealocal"!! ..... greater Soton, greater Pompey, NW and NE Hants .....and with the benefit of doing away with Hampshire County Council (and the £40 million on its lavish refurbished offices at County HQ) as well!!
.... but sadly, like turkeys, politicians don't vote for Christmas. Central government would need to force the issue of reorganisation ... which they have done before but I guess they haven't got the guts to do it since it would hit them too hard in the expenses gravy train pocket!

Hey, ho!

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Yes Shoong i know where it is, i have it book mark and go straight to the front page.

Are you being incredibly stupid on purpose?

Paste the link into a comment. Put up or shut up.

No but you are showing your stupidity, I do not need to do as you order me to do, plus web site rules say no out side links, simple enough rule even for you to follow is it not, also I am not here to do your bidden or any one elses.
Or is it your emphasise is to have perfect english and unable to do any thing else for your self.

I'm not ordering you to do anything - as a representative of the TUSC party, I am asking you to direct me to the 'Needs Budget Program' that you have stated exists on the TUSC web site and that yourself and the TUSC party have endorsed.

I've searched on Google. No hits. By the way, if it doesn't show up on Google then you really need to up your game.

One last chance or we are going to assume you are making it up.

Again.

So you think you are representative of the TUSC party, if thats the case then you be able to tell when was the Last TUSC meeting and where and how often do the TUSC meet locally and nationally.

As I have often expressed my view on this site that all local council’s are the victims of national governments of last few decades, which under all three main parties have been making the financial life of local authorities very difficult; so only answer to this collective problem of councils is for all the council to get together and confront the real culprit i.e. national government in London.

So I was glad that NuLabour’s Cllr. Simon Letts tried to take a small step in that direction. Only difference between my views and his approach is that I argue for national campaign and Simon was trying to create solidarity in Southampton alone. Although I have not spoken to him yet but knowing him I do not think he will disagree with me.

As a socialist I believe in giving the credit where it is due, so for his performance in Council Chamber on this subject yesterday Leader of opposition Tory Cllr. Royston Smith deserves the credit. He appeared to be offering genuine support for Simon’s motion, but some of the back benchers of NuLabour, including Cllr. Satvir Kaur managed to destroy the unity that was badly needed. Echo trying to make Cllr. Kaur alone appear as wrecker is most unfair.

While people in politics making no secret of their honestly held political views is good for democracy, at the same time they should also know how to cooperate with opponent for the greater good of the people. Unfortunately yesterday Cllr. Satvir Kaur was not the only one who could not keep her mouth shut, that weakness was displayed by few others on both side of the chamber. Being a new or old hand in the Council Chamber has nothing to do with it, because all of them are equal representatives of us, the people.

In all fairness I have to say that what Cllr. Kaur said was best music for my socialist ears, but sadly the timing happened to be wrong, so unfortunately it undermined the excellent exercise for the good of Southampton by Simon Letts.

Hope Cllr. Smith will swallow his Tory pride and reconsider his Group’s position and join up with Simon when he approaches the enemies of all local councils in London.

Other two councillors who acted like real statesmen were Cllr. Don Thomas and Cllr. Keith Morrell. Despite having only recently fallen off with betrayal of Labour values the NuLabourite Group both of them did not display any bitterness and supported the theme of Simon Letts motion.

This fiasco could have been averted if Dear Leader of NuLabour and his Deputy who appear to be controlling the Group on his behalf know how to get their Group to behave. Under Alan Whitehead the whole strategy would have been worked out properly and members would have been advised not to turn the apple cart of badly needed cooperation with opposition for the sake of grand standing or playing to the gallery.

Why can’t somebody from within the Conservatised NuLabour teach Dear Leader how to be a good Leader or move over and let somebody else flexible like Simon take over the Leadership?

4-front wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:
Lots of good posts on here today. Whilst there will always be 'party politics' do they gave to dominate to the detriment of the business at hand. Unitary Authorities such as SCC were always going to struggle financially because they are too small and because of the finance formula for central government grant which is not fit for purpose. I would prefer to do away with the district Council's and have a 'greater Southampton' Council. Places like Totton, C-Ford, Eastleigh etc (the bordering suburbs) all share massive transport and employment links. It maintains local representation and make massive financial and policy sense.

Spot on "thinklikealoca
l"!! ..... greater Soton, greater Pompey, NW and NE Hants .....and with the benefit of doing away with Hampshire County Council (and the £40 million on its lavish refurbished offices at County HQ) as well!!
.... but sadly, like turkeys, politicians don't vote for Christmas. Central government would need to force the issue of reorganisation ... which they have done before but I guess they haven't got the guts to do it since it would hit them too hard in the expenses gravy train pocket!

Hey, ho!

I think this might work, too, ideally as part of a democratically elected assembly for the South of England (much like London, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland). Rather than add an other tier of bureaucracy this would involve a substantial degree of government decisions currently made in Whitehall (transport, NHS, police, planning, academies, higher education etc.) and Brussels devolved to local people.

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Yes Shoong i know where it is, i have it book mark and go straight to the front page.

Are you being incredibly stupid on purpose?

Paste the link into a comment. Put up or shut up.

No but you are showing your stupidity, I do not need to do as you order me to do, plus web site rules say no out side links, simple enough rule even for you to follow is it not, also I am not here to do your bidden or any one elses.
Or is it your emphasise is to have perfect english and unable to do any thing else for your self.

I'm not ordering you to do anything - as a representative of the TUSC party, I am asking you to direct me to the 'Needs Budget Program' that you have stated exists on the TUSC web site and that yourself and the TUSC party have endorsed.

I've searched on Google. No hits. By the way, if it doesn't show up on Google then you really need to up your game.

One last chance or we are going to assume you are making it up.

Again.

So you think you are representative of the TUSC party, if thats the case then you be able to tell when was the Last TUSC meeting and where and how often do the TUSC meet locally and nationally.

You what ??!! Has your head gone??

'as a representative of the TUSC party, I am asking you..'

YOU. As in YOU Peter, YOU a representative of the TUSC party.

Did you take an extra thickie pill this morning? Or is this delaying tactics because you know this document does not exist? I'm going to take it isn't and unless you can prove otherwise, LIED about it's existence!

Christ on a bike man!!!

>>Shoong

He's winding you up mate - I have renewed respect for Southy and his humour. I used to think he was disillusioned and a bit left leaning. But these past few weeks I've realised he's just joking with everyone.

I mean I know the TUSC is a joke, but no one can be this crazy, posting conspiracy theories, their own doublespeak propaganda, outright lies without citations, misinformed technical analysis, a complete lack of respect for and the ability to communicate with potential voters; and still think they have a chance of winning a seat come election time...


I mean really, they can't - can they?!

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:

Shoong wrote:

southy wrote:
Yes Shoong i know where it is, i have it book mark and go straight to the front page.

Are you being incredibly stupid on purpose?

Paste the link into a comment. Put up or shut up.

No but you are showing your stupidity, I do not need to do as you order me to do, plus web site rules say no out side links, simple enough rule even for you to follow is it not, also I am not here to do your bidden or any one elses.
Or is it your emphasise is to have perfect english and unable to do any thing else for your self.

I'm not ordering you to do anything - as a representative of the TUSC party, I am asking you to direct me to the 'Needs Budget Program' that you have stated exists on the TUSC web site and that yourself and the TUSC party have endorsed.

I've searched on Google. No hits. By the way, if it doesn't show up on Google then you really need to up your game.

One last chance or we are going to assume you are making it up.

Again.

So you think you are representative of the TUSC party, if thats the case then you be able to tell when was the Last TUSC meeting and where and how often do the TUSC meet locally and nationally.

You what ??!! Has your head gone??

'as a representative of the TUSC party, I am asking you..'

YOU. As in YOU Peter, YOU a representative of the TUSC party.

Did you take an extra thickie pill this morning? Or is this delaying tactics because you know this document does not exist? I'm going to take it isn't and unless you can prove otherwise, LIED about it's existence!

Christ on a bike man!!!

This is what Southy means, why it took him 6 months to learn how it works is beyond me.....

QUOTE:
"● When faced with government cuts to council funding, councils should refuse to implement the cuts. We will support councils which in the first instance use their reserves and prudential borrowing powers to avoid passing them on – while arguing that the best way to mobilise the mass campaign that is necessary to defeat the cuts is to set a budget that meets the needs of the local community and demands that the government makes up the shortfall."

look how you text your post up will you, you made it look like if you was saying your a member.
The manifests for the last EU, General and the last 2 local elections do existe, and its all down to you now to find it, unless an election is called tomorrow.
But the fact still remains that the last 2 local elections, part of the manifest was a needs budget program and not one of cuts.

southy says...
3:05pm Thu 15 Nov 12
"look how you text your post up will you"

Classic irony - love it!
*cues bad laughter track*

^^^^ NO !!! they do not exist.... it you are so confident then post the link !!!

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government.
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Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government....
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As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City.
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Just want to prtectet their own backsides.
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Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before.
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And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber.

YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS.

Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown.

If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers.

This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position.

Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith.

Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Cyber__Fug wrote:
^^^^ NO !!! they do not exist.... it you are so confident then post the link !!!

I do not need to be confident because i know it excise, it was my and other TUSC candidates mandate aka manifest for the last 2 local election here in Southampton.
And also Nick as mention parts of the needs budget in the council chambers a few times, in the last 2 years.

MBHants wrote:
>>Shoong

He's winding you up mate - I have renewed respect for Southy and his humour. I used to think he was disillusioned and a bit left leaning. But these past few weeks I've realised he's just joking with everyone.

I mean I know the TUSC is a joke, but no one can be this crazy, posting conspiracy theories, their own doublespeak propaganda, outright lies without citations, misinformed technical analysis, a complete lack of respect for and the ability to communicate with potential voters; and still think they have a chance of winning a seat come election time...


I mean really, they can't - can they?!

lol hants

look at this way, when theres another voters revote against the Labour party, like there was four years ago, those revolters will not be voting Torys next time, like they did four years ago.
Oh by the way my communication with potential voters is not on any web site, its on the streets where you can meet them in person and talk to them, and it is here where the Torys have no touch and the Labour Party have lost touch, because it was the real socialist with in that party that use to do all that work for them, but the real socialist have been removed from the Labour party, so the Labour party no longer as that daily contact with people.
They cut there own throat in a way.

Another wonderful peace of action and follow up from our resident loony politician and his mates!
Can anyone of sound mind actually believe in the policies of the TUSC and its friends in the SWP?
The only saving grace is that the more stupid they make themselves look the less likely they are to get support and votes from the sane voters.

southy wrote:

MBHants wrote:
>>Shoong

He's winding you up mate - I have renewed respect for Southy and his humour. I used to think he was disillusioned and a bit left leaning. But these past few weeks I've realised he's just joking with everyone.

I mean I know the TUSC is a joke, but no one can be this crazy, posting conspiracy theories, their own doublespeak propaganda, outright lies without citations, misinformed technical analysis, a complete lack of respect for and the ability to communicate with potential voters; and still think they have a chance of winning a seat come election time...


I mean really, they can't - can they?!

lol hants

look at this way, when theres another voters revote against the Labour party, like there was four years ago, those revolters will not be voting Torys next time, like they did four years ago.
Oh by the way my communication with potential voters is not on any web site, its on the streets where you can meet them in person and talk to them, and it is here where the Torys have no touch and the Labour Party have lost touch, because it was the real socialist with in that party that use to do all that work for them, but the real socialist have been removed from the Labour party, so the Labour party no longer as that daily contact with people.
They cut there own throat in a way.

Southy - in all seriousness you could work on your communication skills.

Posting on here thinking it is a "tory right wing forum" is all well and good but there are far more people who read these comments than actually post. These are the people you seek to influence.

It would really go a long way to help your cause, if when someone asks you a direct question you could answer it and where possible provide back up evidence with relevant links and citations rather than just some hand waving "it's on the internet, looks it up fur yourself"

I say this as a swing voter who is not aligned to any party - over the years I've voted for 3 different parties in general elections (more if you include local elections).

Unfortunately my opinion of the TUSC is that they are unable to communicate their ideas and plans clearly and in a civilised manner to me - therefore I doubt their ability to do so if elected into any office when it really matters.

No matter what your political viewpoint the ability to communicate is more important than the message you are trying to convey.

Good orators are remembered throughout history - for better or worse...

southy wrote:

MBHants wrote:
>>Shoong

He's winding you up mate - I have renewed respect for Southy and his humour. I used to think he was disillusioned and a bit left leaning. But these past few weeks I've realised he's just joking with everyone.

I mean I know the TUSC is a joke, but no one can be this crazy, posting conspiracy theories, their own doublespeak propaganda, outright lies without citations, misinformed technical analysis, a complete lack of respect for and the ability to communicate with potential voters; and still think they have a chance of winning a seat come election time...


I mean really, they can't - can they?!

lol hants

look at this way, when theres another voters revote against the Labour party, like there was four years ago, those revolters will not be voting Torys next time, like they did four years ago.
Oh by the way my communication with potential voters is not on any web site, its on the streets where you can meet them in person and talk to them, and it is here where the Torys have no touch and the Labour Party have lost touch, because it was the real socialist with in that party that use to do all that work for them, but the real socialist have been removed from the Labour party, so the Labour party no longer as that daily contact with people.
They cut there own throat in a way.

Communicating with the 10406 potential voters in your ward earned you a positive response in a mere 220 cases so I wouldn't write my acceptance speech just yet. The 'real socialists' still frighten off voters as the number of voters attracted to Tusc continues to demonstrate?

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government.
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Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government....
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As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City.
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Just want to prtectet their own backsides.
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Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before.
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And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber.

YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS.

Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown.

If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers.

This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position.

Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith.

Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them.
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If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now.
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We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like.
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He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required.
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Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego.
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Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government.
.
Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government....
.
As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City.
.
Just want to prtectet their own backsides.
.
Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before.
.
And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber.

YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS.

Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown.

If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers.

This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position.

Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith.

Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them.
.
If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now.
.
We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like.
.
He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required.
.
Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego.
.
Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this?
Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid.

He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.”

But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.”

However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion
I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour.
Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

southy wrote:

Cyber__Fug wrote:
^^^^ NO !!! they do not exist.... it you are so confident then post the link !!!

I do not need to be confident because i know it excise, it was my and other TUSC candidates mandate aka manifest for the last 2 local election here in Southampton.
And also Nick as mention parts of the needs budget in the council chambers a few times, in the last 2 years.

.. oh southy, you still refuse to post any link whatsoever confirming your made-up phrase.

As I keep saying, an extensive search of the www fails to produce any evidence for a "needs budget program"

It's another made up southyism.

thinklikealocal wrote:
Lots of good posts on here today. Whilst there will always be 'party politics' do they gave to dominate to the detriment of the business at hand. Unitary Authorities such as SCC were always going to struggle financially because they are too small and because of the finance formula for central government grant which is not fit for purpose. I would prefer to do away with the district Council's and have a 'greater Southampton' Council. Places like Totton, C-Ford, Eastleigh etc (the bordering suburbs) all share massive transport and employment links. It maintains local representation and make massive financial and policy sense.

There was 40 years ago an idea to create a Solent City which would have included Southampton,Portsmou
th, Fareham,Eastleigh & Totton but it never happened as I think there was to much opposition to Portsmouth & Southampton joining together

http://www.tusc.org.
uk/policy.php

Cllr Letts has already acknowledged the previous administration were supporting them prior to this meeting (behind the scenes) and despite what is said above I believe that will continue.

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote: Lots of good posts on here today. Whilst there will always be 'party politics' do they gave to dominate to the detriment of the business at hand. Unitary Authorities such as SCC were always going to struggle financially because they are too small and because of the finance formula for central government grant which is not fit for purpose. I would prefer to do away with the district Council's and have a 'greater Southampton' Council. Places like Totton, C-Ford, Eastleigh etc (the bordering suburbs) all share massive transport and employment links. It maintains local representation and make massive financial and policy sense.

There was 40 years ago an idea to create a Solent City which would have included Southampton,Portsmou th, Fareham,Eastleigh & Totton but it never happened as I think there was to much opposition to Portsmouth & Southampton joining together

I don't think that would be ideal as the two Cities are really competitors for jobs etc. and the synergies re transport etc do not exist. i can't remember the exact figures but something like 60 per cent of people working in Soton come in to the City from these areas and 60 per cent of redudents leave to work in these locations. Some change in this area is however desirable.

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
As I have often expressed my view on this site that all local council’s are the victims of national governments of last few decades, which under all three main parties have been making the financial life of local authorities very difficult; so only answer to this collective problem of councils is for all the council to get together and confront the real culprit i.e. national government in London.

So I was glad that NuLabour’s Cllr. Simon Letts tried to take a small step in that direction. Only difference between my views and his approach is that I argue for national campaign and Simon was trying to create solidarity in Southampton alone. Although I have not spoken to him yet but knowing him I do not think he will disagree with me.

As a socialist I believe in giving the credit where it is due, so for his performance in Council Chamber on this subject yesterday Leader of opposition Tory Cllr. Royston Smith deserves the credit. He appeared to be offering genuine support for Simon’s motion, but some of the back benchers of NuLabour, including Cllr. Satvir Kaur managed to destroy the unity that was badly needed. Echo trying to make Cllr. Kaur alone appear as wrecker is most unfair.

While people in politics making no secret of their honestly held political views is good for democracy, at the same time they should also know how to cooperate with opponent for the greater good of the people. Unfortunately yesterday Cllr. Satvir Kaur was not the only one who could not keep her mouth shut, that weakness was displayed by few others on both side of the chamber. Being a new or old hand in the Council Chamber has nothing to do with it, because all of them are equal representatives of us, the people.

In all fairness I have to say that what Cllr. Kaur said was best music for my socialist ears, but sadly the timing happened to be wrong, so unfortunately it undermined the excellent exercise for the good of Southampton by Simon Letts.

Hope Cllr. Smith will swallow his Tory pride and reconsider his Group’s position and join up with Simon when he approaches the enemies of all local councils in London.

Other two councillors who acted like real statesmen were Cllr. Don Thomas and Cllr. Keith Morrell. Despite having only recently fallen off with betrayal of Labour values the NuLabourite Group both of them did not display any bitterness and supported the theme of Simon Letts motion.

This fiasco could have been averted if Dear Leader of NuLabour and his Deputy who appear to be controlling the Group on his behalf know how to get their Group to behave. Under Alan Whitehead the whole strategy would have been worked out properly and members would have been advised not to turn the apple cart of badly needed cooperation with opposition for the sake of grand standing or playing to the gallery.

Why can’t somebody from within the Conservatised NuLabour teach Dear Leader how to be a good Leader or move over and let somebody else flexible like Simon take over the Leadership?

There is a severe dearth in good strong leadership, but no shortage of volunteers. All useless. IMO.

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

Thank you,, exactly correct.
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I am delighted that you posted a response as i dont have the will or desire to debate with his foolish tirade of incoherent garbage.
.
Although it was more coherent than usual .... ..... but still garbage

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

If you read Paramjit's post you'll see it wasn't just her but more back bench Labour councillors.

Lone Ranger. wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

Thank you,, exactly correct.
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I am delighted that you posted a response as i dont have the will or desire to debate with his foolish tirade of incoherent garbage.
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Although it was more coherent than usual .... ..... but still garbage

so the echo prints garbage does it as a large part of my post was copied & pasted straight from the article.

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

After reading your reply to my post I contacted a Tory councillor & I asked him if they would forget this silly attack by this lady & work with the council?
He said there was no issue.
he also said they are already lobbying to get the money they applied for to keep weekly bin collections so there's no issue?
I took that to mean yes we will work with them for the good of the city but hey! I could be reading it wrong?
I hope as a Tory we all can get a good deal for this city

The blame game I feel has been played enough by all parties in Southampton, the key issue here is a 28% cut in funding, all Councillors are elected to represent the electorate, I believe they have duty of to those people to act in their best interests, at 28% is far from the best interests of Southampton residents.

Who cares what one Councillors says its come beyond party politics, this is peoples livelihoods and much services being put at risk, my request to all Councillors of all sides is to come together as one voice and lobby Eric Pickles and his Treasury paymasters to stop inflicting the cuts of the people of Southampton.

Time to grow up and fight together, you'll get much more respect from the people of Southampton if you did.

Guys, get back round the table in private, Work together and sort this mess out for the residents.

It's a shame one person had to mouth off, but it happens.

Get back to talking as we all know Conservatives have been supporting to a degree behind the scenes.

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

After reading your reply to my post I contacted a Tory councillor & I asked him if they would forget this silly attack by this lady & work with the council? He said there was no issue. he also said they are already lobbying to get the money they applied for to keep weekly bin collections so there's no issue? I took that to mean yes we will work with them for the good of the city but hey! I could be reading it wrong? I hope as a Tory we all can get a good deal for this city

Oh dear, you have 'jumped in' yet again without taking the care to read and understand what other people are posting. You state that you didn't see anything saying that the Tories were refusing to work with Cllr Letts. The Echo article reads at the end 'Tory support was withdrawn'. I think it is quite reasonable for people posting comments on the Echo story to assume that, well, Tory support was withdrawn...........
..

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

After reading your reply to my post I contacted a Tory councillor & I asked him if they would forget this silly attack by this lady & work with the council? He said there was no issue. he also said they are already lobbying to get the money they applied for to keep weekly bin collections so there's no issue? I took that to mean yes we will work with them for the good of the city but hey! I could be reading it wrong? I hope as a Tory we all can get a good deal for this city

Oh dear, you have 'jumped in' yet again without taking the care to read and understand what other people are posting. You state that you didn't see anything saying that the Tories were refusing to work with Cllr Letts. The Echo article reads at the end 'Tory support was withdrawn'. I think it is quite reasonable for people posting comments on the Echo story to assume that, well, Tory support was withdrawn...........

..

It was withdrawn at the meeting, this particular article fails to mention the support before the meeting. We would all hope they have since made up and will continue doing what is best for the residents.

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

After reading your reply to my post I contacted a Tory councillor & I asked him if they would forget this silly attack by this lady & work with the council? He said there was no issue. he also said they are already lobbying to get the money they applied for to keep weekly bin collections so there's no issue? I took that to mean yes we will work with them for the good of the city but hey! I could be reading it wrong? I hope as a Tory we all can get a good deal for this city

Oh dear, you have 'jumped in' yet again without taking the care to read and understand what other people are posting. You state that you didn't see anything saying that the Tories were refusing to work with Cllr Letts. The Echo article reads at the end 'Tory support was withdrawn'. I think it is quite reasonable for people posting comments on the Echo story to assume that, well, Tory support was withdrawn........... ..

It was withdrawn at the meeting, this particular article fails to mention the support before the meeting. We would all hope they have since made up and will continue doing what is best for the residents.

Thank you Iron Lady. Loosehead seems to be on a one man war against all other posters at the moment. Its making me consider not contributing anymore.

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

After reading your reply to my post I contacted a Tory councillor & I asked him if they would forget this silly attack by this lady & work with the council? He said there was no issue. he also said they are already lobbying to get the money they applied for to keep weekly bin collections so there's no issue? I took that to mean yes we will work with them for the good of the city but hey! I could be reading it wrong? I hope as a Tory we all can get a good deal for this city

Oh dear, you have 'jumped in' yet again without taking the care to read and understand what other people are posting. You state that you didn't see anything saying that the Tories were refusing to work with Cllr Letts. The Echo article reads at the end 'Tory support was withdrawn'. I think it is quite reasonable for people posting comments on the Echo story to assume that, well, Tory support was withdrawn........... ..

It was withdrawn at the meeting, this particular article fails to mention the support before the meeting. We would all hope they have since made up and will continue doing what is best for the residents.

Thank you Iron Lady. Loosehead seems to be on a one man war against all other posters at the moment. Its making me consider not contributing anymore.

Hang on a minute, I'm in no way suggesting FULL support was withdrawn as they were already working together before the meeting. I have no idea how further forward they were asking to work together, so please don't try and say Loosehead and myself are disagreeing.

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

After reading your reply to my post I contacted a Tory councillor & I asked him if they would forget this silly attack by this lady & work with the council? He said there was no issue. he also said they are already lobbying to get the money they applied for to keep weekly bin collections so there's no issue? I took that to mean yes we will work with them for the good of the city but hey! I could be reading it wrong? I hope as a Tory we all can get a good deal for this city

Oh dear, you have 'jumped in' yet again without taking the care to read and understand what other people are posting. You state that you didn't see anything saying that the Tories were refusing to work with Cllr Letts. The Echo article reads at the end 'Tory support was withdrawn'. I think it is quite reasonable for people posting comments on the Echo story to assume that, well, Tory support was withdrawn........... ..

It was withdrawn at the meeting, this particular article fails to mention the support before the meeting. We would all hope they have since made up and will continue doing what is best for the residents.

Thank you Iron Lady. Loosehead seems to be on a one man war against all other posters at the moment. Its making me consider not contributing anymore.

Hang on a minute, I'm in no way suggesting FULL support was withdrawn as they were already working together before the meeting. I have no idea how further forward they were asking to work together, so please don't try and say Loosehead and myself are disagreeing.

You may well be correct about the support, but people on here were posting about the Echo article which just stated support had been withdrawn. Loosehead was telling them off when in fact they were right in what they saying (so far as the article went).

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

After reading your reply to my post I contacted a Tory councillor & I asked him if they would forget this silly attack by this lady & work with the council? He said there was no issue. he also said they are already lobbying to get the money they applied for to keep weekly bin collections so there's no issue? I took that to mean yes we will work with them for the good of the city but hey! I could be reading it wrong? I hope as a Tory we all can get a good deal for this city

Oh dear, you have 'jumped in' yet again without taking the care to read and understand what other people are posting. You state that you didn't see anything saying that the Tories were refusing to work with Cllr Letts. The Echo article reads at the end 'Tory support was withdrawn'. I think it is quite reasonable for people posting comments on the Echo story to assume that, well, Tory support was withdrawn........... ..

It was withdrawn at the meeting, this particular article fails to mention the support before the meeting. We would all hope they have since made up and will continue doing what is best for the residents.

Thank you Iron Lady. Loosehead seems to be on a one man war against all other posters at the moment. Its making me consider not contributing anymore.

Hang on a minute, I'm in no way suggesting FULL support was withdrawn as they were already working together before the meeting. I have no idea how further forward they were asking to work together, so please don't try and say Loosehead and myself are disagreeing.

You may well be correct about the support, but people on here were posting about the Echo article which just stated support had been withdrawn. Loosehead was telling them off when in fact they were right in what they saying (so far as the article went).

Sometimes this happens when people don't see all the facts ;-)

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

IronLady2010 wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

thinklikealocal wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote:

Paramjit Bahia wrote:

Lone Ranger. wrote: Gutless Tories too stupid to make a stand or representation to National Government. . Local Tories too scared to have a voice against the Government.... . As i have said before the Tories have and never will give a stuff about the people of this City. . Just want to prtectet their own backsides. . Perhaps Smith and Moulton think that they have a chance of standing at the next government elections like they have failed at before. . And as regards the other feckless wonders ........... just gutless

As life long Tory basher, I love your comment BUT having been to Council meeting yesterday I feel you should not be blaming Conservative Group for this fiasco, because it was created by SOME of your NuLabourite friends in the Council Chamber. YES they may have for a change sang few good socialist songs, which may for a moment shown some light at the end of the dark tunnel into which recent so called leaders of NuLabour have dragged The Labour Party, BUT their timing was completely wrong and they IGNORED THE FACTS. Because it is not only the ConDem Coalition that has started to put boot into local councils finances, it started under Thatcher and continued even under NuLabour’s Blair and Brown. If so called capitalist and imperialist leaders of Britain and its allies and so called communist leaders of Russia during the war had behaved like this they could not have defeated the biggest evil on our planet, Hitler. For similar reasons even Mahatma Gandhi not only offered his help to Britain but in fact even himself personally looked after injured British soldiers. This issue is about financial relationships between national and local government not about political colours. Hope as well informed and intelligent person whose comments I usually do respect, you will reconsider your position. Please take my word, if I was a Tory in that Chamber (Yes I will go to all the bloody religious places today to beg forgiveness for even imagining that horror for the sake of making an argument) I would also have been provoked like Cllr. Smith. Pity both Cllr. Richard Williams and Cllr. Simon Letts were put into embarrassing position by SOME members of their own group.

Paramjit ........ We are talikng serious shortfalls in funding that will effect you me and everyone else ....... Less services ........ More taxes to pay for them. . If there was a time for all local Govt parties to unite and seek answers or solutions it is now. . We dont need a squawking failed ex leader chucking his bricks out of the pram along with his band of Lemmings just because someone said a few words he didnt like. . He shouyld get over it and make the "deutation" with Labour for strength is numbers is required. . Unless of course (as i have suggested) he doesnt give a t*ss about the people of Southampton ..... Just his bruised and battered ego. . Perhaps things would be better if a new Tory leader was elected by the Tories in Southampton.

Did you not read this? Cllr Royston Smith, former city boss and Tory group leader, said he was willing to back Labour in its lobbying bid. He said: “I will support you on this because there are 240,000 people we need to be represented and we are keen to do that.” But as the debate continued, the spirit of goodwill turned to attacks on Labour’s broken election promises over protecting jobs and services after reversing swinging pay cuts. Deputy opposition Tory leader Cllr Jeremy Moulton said: “It is our job as the opposition to hold you to account for those things you promised.” However, the Tory goodwill collapsed completely after Labour councillor Satvir Kaur accused them of not agreeing with their own Government if they backed the lobbying motion I didn't see anything about a failed Leader or that the Tories refused to work with Cllr Letts but I do see a mention of a Labour councillor attacking the same party that was willing to work with Labour. Are you so Anti Tory you can only slag them down when In Letts & Williams own words they were agreeing to work with us for the good of the city?

I don't think this poster was doing what you accuse them. It is clear that one labour Cllr let herself down, however did that really make it necessary for the Tories to withdraw their support on such an important matter? That is their point.

After reading your reply to my post I contacted a Tory councillor & I asked him if they would forget this silly attack by this lady & work with the council? He said there was no issue. he also said they are already lobbying to get the money they applied for to keep weekly bin collections so there's no issue? I took that to mean yes we will work with them for the good of the city but hey! I could be reading it wrong? I hope as a Tory we all can get a good deal for this city

Oh dear, you have 'jumped in' yet again without taking the care to read and understand what other people are posting. You state that you didn't see anything saying that the Tories were refusing to work with Cllr Letts. The Echo article reads at the end 'Tory support was withdrawn'. I think it is quite reasonable for people posting comments on the Echo story to assume that, well, Tory support was withdrawn........... ..

It was withdrawn at the meeting, this particular article fails to mention the support before the meeting. We would all hope they have since made up and will continue doing what is best for the residents.

Thank you Iron Lady. Loosehead seems to be on a one man war against all other posters at the moment. Its making me consider not contributing anymore.

Hang on a minute, I'm in no way suggesting FULL support was withdrawn as they were already working together before the meeting. I have no idea how further forward they were asking to work together, so please don't try and say Loosehead and myself are disagreeing.

You may well be correct about the support, but people on here were posting about the Echo article which just stated support had been withdrawn. Loosehead was telling them off when in fact they were right in what they saying (so far as the article went).

I actually wasn't trying to tell you off.
please continue to debate on here.
I asked a Tory councillor if they were going to forget this silly attack on them & work with the council after your post he said it wouldn't be an issue as they were already lobbying about the money for weekly collections so thinklikealocal I thought I was being helpful & finding out if they would work with the council.
I'm sorry if you've taken it as an attack I was just trying to get an answer to your question please forgive me if it came across as an attack I do believe in an open debate so once again I'm Sorry if I put it wrongly