Saints ordered to pay £60k debt by court (From Daily Echo)
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Southampton FC ordered by court to pay Solent Interior Systems £60k debt for stadium makeover
9:14am Friday 16th November 2012 in News
By Julian Robinson, Eastleigh Chief Reporter
Saints chairman Nicola Cortese
SOUTHAMPTON Football Club has been ordered to pay up nearly £60,000 after a row with a contractor ended in court.
The club has just two weeks to pay Solent Interior Systems Ltd for a major refurbishment of the luxury Mike Channon Suite at St Mary’s Stadium.
London’s Technology and Construction Court heard how the contractor started work in May and received the first three instalments of the fee as set out in a contract worth £315,000. But the court was told how the final £55,000 of the bill, due in July, was never paid.
An adjudication in August ruled that the club should hand over the money “immediately” along with interest built up in the month at £12.81 per day.
But despite further demands, no money was handed to the commercial outfitter, which is based in Lee-on-the-Solent, and no explanation was offered, the court heard.
The Mike Channon Suite, a conference and match day entertainment facility at St Mary’s, can host hundreds of guests.
A brochure on the club website describes it as a “stylish and spacious” venue which “exudes pure luxury” with a “plush interior” and “lavish carpeting”.
The club did not send a representative or a legal team to the case, emailing court officials a day before to signal their intention not to attend. In their absence, the club was ordered to pay £55,000 plus VAT as well as interest totalling £1,370.63 and legal costs of £3,309.
Mr Justice Robert Akenhead said he could “not understand” why the club had left it until the day before the hearing to tell the court they were not appearing for a defence against the claim.
“There does not appear to be a good reason why they did not do it three weeks ago to avoid paying these (legal) costs,” he said.
“I very much hope they honour this judgment as soon as possible.”
Outside the court, Amy Amison from PJ English Associates, the legal team representing Solent Interior Systems Ltd, said work on the refurbishment had overrun as a result of the club making variations to the project as it was going along.
She told the Daily Echo: “This has interrupted the cash flow of Solent Interior Systems quite significantly because they were expecting payment in July and it will be December before they receive the money.”
Southampton Football Club did not reply to requests for a comment last night.
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Comments(95)
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
says...
9:23am Fri 16 Nov 12
Que Teboreus.
To be fair a friend who attends matches in the same suite as me owns an interior company. He quoted for the work the summer before but at each meeting NC changed his mind on what he wanted. The club was also overly keen about damages for any overruns. He pulled out because he saw where it was going.
To be fair a friend who attends matches in the same suite as me owns an interior company. He quoted for the work the summer before but at each meeting NC changed his mind on what he wanted. The club was also overly keen about damages for any overruns. He pulled out because he saw where it was going.
ToastyTea
says...
9:32am Fri 16 Nov 12
Poor show from Saints (Cortese), not really a surprise though is it sadly.
SaintsBTGOG
says...
9:49am Fri 16 Nov 12
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
Walter K
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9:56am Fri 16 Nov 12
It's a bit rich quoting Benali as "being owed" after what Luken Homes did to their Customers and Suppliers.
MGRA
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10:08am Fri 16 Nov 12
this story is incredible..... I can not possibly think of one good reason why a club that pays a sh1te player £30,000 per week can not pay a company money they owe in good faith !? Its time someone with a brain started handling P.R. at SFC.....
ToastyTea
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10:13am Fri 16 Nov 12
MGRA wrote:Good point actually.
this story is incredible..... I can not possibly think of one good reason why a club that pays a sh1te player £30,000 per week can not pay a company money they owe in good faith !? Its time someone with a brain started handling P.R. at SFC.....
SaintsBTGOG
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10:18am Fri 16 Nov 12
Walter K wrote:Thats got nothing to do with what Cortese did to Benalis house.
It's a bit rich quoting Benali as "being owed" after what Luken Homes did to their Customers and Suppliers.
Linesman
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10:20am Fri 16 Nov 12
Since Herr Liebherr died there has been nobody in a position to keep Cortese in check.
At a time when many businesses are facing difficult financial times, this does nothing to improve the club's reputation and may well make both businesses and other football clubs less willing to have dealings with the club.
At a time when many businesses are facing difficult financial times, this does nothing to improve the club's reputation and may well make both businesses and other football clubs less willing to have dealings with the club.
spratt
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10:57am Fri 16 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:Good point. Is there a connection here with the failer to buy the players we needed for the Premiership in the pre season? That after all is the reason we are in the sad situation we are at present. Praying for 3 points today at QPR.
Since Herr Liebherr died there has been nobody in a position to keep Cortese in check. At a time when many businesses are facing difficult financial times, this does nothing to improve the club's reputation and may well make both businesses and other football clubs less willing to have dealings with the club.
Cheapshot
says...
11:11am Fri 16 Nov 12
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
SaintsBTGOG
says...
11:27am Fri 16 Nov 12
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
Cheapshot
says...
12:00pm Fri 16 Nov 12
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
once a saint
says...
12:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cheapshot wrote:Would not bet on us being finacially sound. Cortese is running this club like someone who shuffles debt from one credit card to another yet keeps up the illusion of all being well to save face. Why would he let us keep paying suppliers late and giving us a bad reputation if we had no money worries. To be brutally honest I am worried about how he is running the club especially as he appears to have no one to answer to. Bring back the fans forum let's have some honesty from our "board".
SaintsBTGOG wrote: Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago! As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
Ciaran
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12:07pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cheapshot wrote:No, this is a DE story about a legal case.
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Not scare mongering - this is legal fact.
Time to take your head of of the sand, I suggest.
City Saint
says...
12:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Ciaran wrote:From a reputational point of view, this is a poor call from the club. The money involved is chicken feed to Saints (for now at least) but it is crucial to a small local business.
Cheapshot wrote:No, this is a DE story about a legal case.
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Not scare mongering - this is legal fact.
Time to take your head of of the sand, I suggest.
Withholding payment and then not explaining yourself in court (what, won't pay for a lawyer to represent?) is poor business savvy.
CB FRY LIVES
says...
12:29pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:what does one expect when a banker is left to run the club.lets hope cortese running the club does not become cortese ruining the club.maybe he would be better off working at fratton park.they are used to unpaid bills there.
Since Herr Liebherr died there has been nobody in a position to keep Cortese in check.
At a time when many businesses are facing difficult financial times, this does nothing to improve the club's reputation and may well make both businesses and other football clubs less willing to have dealings with the club.
Cheapshot
says...
12:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Ciaran wrote:Such a big important legal case that they felt wasn't important enough to turn up to??
Cheapshot wrote:No, this is a DE story about a legal case.
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Not scare mongering - this is legal fact.
Time to take your head of of the sand, I suggest.
Get a grip! Absolute non story!
It seems to me that there are some saints fans that will never be pleased with how the clubs is run!
City Saint, I do agree with you though!
truelysaints
says...
12:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12
once a saint wrote:OR WORSE!
No surprise that the club did not comment. Makes you wonder what has happened at the training ground and if another argument will be heading to the courts. We are not covering ourselves in glory on or off the pitch this season we are already strating to get a bad reputation with suppliers with many grumbling that we don't pay up. This is yet another example of bad money management from the chairman.
truelysaints
says...
12:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cheapshot wrote:"Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!"
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Are you so sure?
on the ball city never mind the danger
says...
12:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12
dam thats £55.000 less to buy a decent back four in january
can anyone tell me why you are called scummers
& have a football crew called the lifeboat crew ( full of women & kids ) & the city is twinned with bradford
can anyone tell me why you are called scummers
& have a football crew called the lifeboat crew ( full of women & kids ) & the city is twinned with bradford
on the ball city never mind the danger
says...
12:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12
dam thats £55.000 less to buy a decent back four in january
can anyone tell me why you are called scummers
& have a football crew called the lifeboat crew ( full of women & kids ) & the city is twinned with bradford
can anyone tell me why you are called scummers
& have a football crew called the lifeboat crew ( full of women & kids ) & the city is twinned with bradford
Cheapshot
says...
1:16pm Fri 16 Nov 12
truelysaints wrote:I'm sure!
Cheapshot wrote:"Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!"
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Are you so sure?
As someone posted above, its chicken feed in comparison to how much money is spent in football. What's annoying is that whenever a story like this comes out, you get people up in arms spouting conspiracy theories about how badly the club is run, and how NC is running the club into the ground, and we're not paying that and didn't pay this. It's all bullsh#t!
George4th
says...
1:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12
A lot of short sighted people need to visit Specsavers!
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Cortese persuaded Liebherr to buy SFC when NOBODY else wanted it! He has overseen two back to back promotions! What did you expect for his next trick? - walking on water?!
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SFC is in good hands.
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Cortese persuaded Liebherr to buy SFC when NOBODY else wanted it! He has overseen two back to back promotions! What did you expect for his next trick? - walking on water?!
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SFC is in good hands.
Cheapshot
says...
1:26pm Fri 16 Nov 12
George4th wrote:What he said!
A lot of short sighted people need to visit Specsavers!
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Cortese persuaded Liebherr to buy SFC when NOBODY else wanted it! He has overseen two back to back promotions! What did you expect for his next trick? - walking on water?!
>
SFC is in good hands.
randre
says...
1:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cheapshot wrote:I agree, this is good copy for the Skates and doom merchants who would love to believe we are a bad club and that Cortese is the son of Vito Corleone.
truelysaints wrote:I'm sure!
Cheapshot wrote:"Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!"
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Are you so sure?
As someone posted above, its chicken feed in comparison to how much money is spent in football. What's annoying is that whenever a story like this comes out, you get people up in arms spouting conspiracy theories about how badly the club is run, and how NC is running the club into the ground, and we're not paying that and didn't pay this. It's all bullsh#t!
Similar cases like this happen on a regular basis where some bigger organization over looks to pay a bill. From looking into this it would seem this was a dispute because the work was not finished in time and so the club were witholding the payment as a consequence. However it seems the work was only delayed as the club asked for alterations. Possibly a genuine case of miscommunication or just crossed wires.
The club possibly realised it was a mistake, hence they never bothered to send representation as they were prepared to concede they were at fault.
I don't think there is anything sinister within this at all, it is common this kind of thing happens in larger organizations, especially when various people maybe responsible for taking such contracts and then relaying information for the accounts / finance department to settle payments.
However, I would be very careful in upsetting our Don, he has a good supply of horses!!
once a saint
says...
1:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cheapshot wrote:I respect your opinion but how do we know SFC is in good hands? There is no fans charter, no fans forum, and no communication from the club on any issues and there are many stories circulating from people with contacts within the club about what direction the club is going. I am hoping our bubble does not burst and we are not found looking for another owner but sadly I have little confidence in the chairman.
George4th wrote: A lot of short sighted people need to visit Specsavers! > Cortese persuaded Liebherr to buy SFC when NOBODY else wanted it! He has overseen two back to back promotions! What did you expect for his next trick? - walking on water?! > SFC is in good hands.What he said!
George4th
says...
2:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12
once a saint wrote:Stop listening to rumours and stop worrying!
Cheapshot wrote:I respect your opinion but how do we know SFC is in good hands? There is no fans charter, no fans forum, and no communication from the club on any issues and there are many stories circulating from people with contacts within the club about what direction the club is going. I am hoping our bubble does not burst and we are not found looking for another owner but sadly I have little confidence in the chairman.
George4th wrote: A lot of short sighted people need to visit Specsavers! > Cortese persuaded Liebherr to buy SFC when NOBODY else wanted it! He has overseen two back to back promotions! What did you expect for his next trick? - walking on water?! > SFC is in good hands.What he said!
SFC has always been the worst rumour mill in the whole of the world! Imagine all those "supporters" spreading rumours! And everyone has his/her interpretation of it!
You may pay Rupert Murdoch so you can watch Sky but you don't expect him to tell you how he is running his company!
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Just go to watch the football and enjoy it!
randre
says...
2:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12
I have faith in the chairman... He does not laud himself to the press and seek the publicity that many chairman seem to crave. Nigel Adkins is the face and voice of our club, as the manager that is how it should be.
People often complain when chairman crave the attention and then moan when they work in the background and keep out of the limelight... You can't have it both ways.
I prefer it this way, I think Nicola has done a sound job so far.
As for the people who have "inside knowledge" or know "somebody who worked at Saints and they were not happy"... Well I know people that used to work for my company and they have nothing but bad things to say. Possibly because they were lazy oiks who didn't want to work hard for a living and so when they were relieved of their duties it was because the company was at fault... Funny how views can be distorted isn't it?
People often complain when chairman crave the attention and then moan when they work in the background and keep out of the limelight... You can't have it both ways.
I prefer it this way, I think Nicola has done a sound job so far.
As for the people who have "inside knowledge" or know "somebody who worked at Saints and they were not happy"... Well I know people that used to work for my company and they have nothing but bad things to say. Possibly because they were lazy oiks who didn't want to work hard for a living and so when they were relieved of their duties it was because the company was at fault... Funny how views can be distorted isn't it?
CB FRY LIVES
says...
2:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12
randre wrote:yes he will need a fast horse to get out of town when the angry brigade finally twig on to him.
Cheapshot wrote:I agree, this is good copy for the Skates and doom merchants who would love to believe we are a bad club and that Cortese is the son of Vito Corleone.
truelysaints wrote:I'm sure!
Cheapshot wrote:"Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!"
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Are you so sure?
As someone posted above, its chicken feed in comparison to how much money is spent in football. What's annoying is that whenever a story like this comes out, you get people up in arms spouting conspiracy theories about how badly the club is run, and how NC is running the club into the ground, and we're not paying that and didn't pay this. It's all bullsh#t!
Similar cases like this happen on a regular basis where some bigger organization over looks to pay a bill. From looking into this it would seem this was a dispute because the work was not finished in time and so the club were witholding the payment as a consequence. However it seems the work was only delayed as the club asked for alterations. Possibly a genuine case of miscommunication or just crossed wires.
The club possibly realised it was a mistake, hence they never bothered to send representation as they were prepared to concede they were at fault.
I don't think there is anything sinister within this at all, it is common this kind of thing happens in larger organizations, especially when various people maybe responsible for taking such contracts and then relaying information for the accounts / finance department to settle payments.
However, I would be very careful in upsetting our Don, he has a good supply of horses!!
CB FRY LIVES
says...
2:08pm Fri 16 Nov 12
George4th wrote:the way he is running things 3 or 3 back to back relegations could be on the cards.more transparency and openess needed i think.
A lot of short sighted people need to visit Specsavers!
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Cortese persuaded Liebherr to buy SFC when NOBODY else wanted it! He has overseen two back to back promotions! What did you expect for his next trick? - walking on water?!
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SFC is in good hands.
mack chinnon
says...
2:11pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Ciaran wrote:Its actually "take your head out of the sand"
Cheapshot wrote:No, this is a DE story about a legal case.
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Not scare mongering - this is legal fact.
Time to take your head of of the sand, I suggest.
Similar to "take your head out of your arse"
angus mc coatup
says...
2:24pm Fri 16 Nov 12
as far as I'm concerned mr cortese can do whatever he thinks is good for business.he's running the show,so he can do what he wants.If he chooses to keep all he's dealings under wraps,that's his prerogative.all I can say to people who don't like It,Is don't go.no one is forcing people to watch,so If you aint happy how the clubs being run then don't watch,thats your prerogative. If you think he's the antichrist then vote with your feet.and most of this anti cortese rubbish is posted by skates trying to make out they're saints fans.
cue tebourba he usually posts about now.
cue tebourba he usually posts about now.
randre
says...
2:29pm Fri 16 Nov 12
angus mc coatup wrote:I agree with you Angus.... I can't see how any Saints fan can moan about NC after what he has achieved. I certainly wouldn't trade for the return of Rupert that's for sure!!
as far as I'm concerned mr cortese can do whatever he thinks is good for business.he's running the show,so he can do what he wants.If he chooses to keep all he's dealings under wraps,that's his prerogative.all I can say to people who don't like It,Is don't go.no one is forcing people to watch,so If you aint happy how the clubs being run then don't watch,thats your prerogative. If you think he's the antichrist then vote with your feet.and most of this anti cortese rubbish is posted by skates trying to make out they're saints fans.
cue tebourba he usually posts about now.
Linesman
says...
2:36pm Fri 16 Nov 12
CB FRY LIVES wrote:Good point.
Linesman wrote:what does one expect when a banker is left to run the club.lets hope cortese running the club does not become cortese ruining the club.maybe he would be better off working at fratton park.they are used to unpaid bills there.
Since Herr Liebherr died there has been nobody in a position to keep Cortese in check.
At a time when many businesses are facing difficult financial times, this does nothing to improve the club's reputation and may well make both businesses and other football clubs less willing to have dealings with the club.
Worth remembering that it was Bankers who were to blame for the International Financial Crisis that we are currently suffering from.
TEBOURBA
says...
2:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Reading this column it seems I'm not the only one who's sussed out Cortese, maybe I'm not the clot the happy clappers call me.
SFC under this man, is to quote again the Oxford Dictionary word of the year 2012 is an omnishambles --- something that has been comprehensively mismanaged , characterised by a string of blunders and miscalculations ---
For a large company to force a supplier to go to court to get paid his dues is despicable.
Many small companies have gone to the wall, not because they've done a bad job or were inefficient but because they've shelled out their money, only to run out of cash, because clients won't pay them.
Cortese wouldn't appreciate this of course, as a large part of SFC's income is paid up front by the season ticket holders.
No doubt one of the band of happy clappers a.k.a. -- see no evil -- hear no evil -- speak no evil --- of their hero Nicola ---will take great pleasure in correcting me but isn't the debt of £60k just one tenth of the £600k the omnishambler pays himself in salary?
The man's an out and out shyster, who, if Saints lose a couple more games this month, will without doubt sack Nigel without batting an eyelid.
He's probably already lined up NA's replacement !!
RYRIHF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
SFC under this man, is to quote again the Oxford Dictionary word of the year 2012 is an omnishambles --- something that has been comprehensively mismanaged , characterised by a string of blunders and miscalculations ---
For a large company to force a supplier to go to court to get paid his dues is despicable.
Many small companies have gone to the wall, not because they've done a bad job or were inefficient but because they've shelled out their money, only to run out of cash, because clients won't pay them.
Cortese wouldn't appreciate this of course, as a large part of SFC's income is paid up front by the season ticket holders.
No doubt one of the band of happy clappers a.k.a. -- see no evil -- hear no evil -- speak no evil --- of their hero Nicola ---will take great pleasure in correcting me but isn't the debt of £60k just one tenth of the £600k the omnishambler pays himself in salary?
The man's an out and out shyster, who, if Saints lose a couple more games this month, will without doubt sack Nigel without batting an eyelid.
He's probably already lined up NA's replacement !!
RYRIHF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
SaintAsh1964
says...
2:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12
TEBOURBA wrote:S K A T E
Reading this column it seems I'm not the only one who's sussed out Cortese, maybe I'm not the clot the happy clappers call me.
SFC under this man, is to quote again the Oxford Dictionary word of the year 2012 is an omnishambles --- something that has been comprehensively mismanaged , characterised by a string of blunders and miscalculations ---
For a large company to force a supplier to go to court to get paid his dues is despicable.
Many small companies have gone to the wall, not because they've done a bad job or were inefficient but because they've shelled out their money, only to run out of cash, because clients won't pay them.
Cortese wouldn't appreciate this of course, as a large part of SFC's income is paid up front by the season ticket holders.
No doubt one of the band of happy clappers a.k.a. -- see no evil -- hear no evil -- speak no evil --- of their hero Nicola ---will take great pleasure in correcting me but isn't the debt of £60k just one tenth of the £600k the omnishambler pays himself in salary?
The man's an out and out shyster, who, if Saints lose a couple more games this month, will without doubt sack Nigel without batting an eyelid.
He's probably already lined up NA's replacement !!
RYRIHF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
Linesman
says...
2:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cheapshot wrote:If the debt had been paid when the bill was presented, the club would not have this bad publicity.
Ciaran wrote:Such a big important legal case that they felt wasn't important enough to turn up to??
Cheapshot wrote:No, this is a DE story about a legal case.
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Not scare mongering - this is legal fact.
Time to take your head of of the sand, I suggest.
Get a grip! Absolute non story!
It seems to me that there are some saints fans that will never be pleased with how the clubs is run!
City Saint, I do agree with you though!
The country is in a financial crisis.
In seven or eight weeks the transfer window will open and with the team's position in the league, it is reasonable to assume that the club will want to buy to reinforce the squad.
Don't you think that other clubs would be aware of this court case?
Don't you think that other clubs would be wary about doing business with a club that has to be taken to court to get money owed.
A good reputation is built up over many years,
BUT IT CAN BE LOST OVERNIGHT!
MGRA
says...
2:43pm Fri 16 Nov 12
only a complete idiot would read anything "postive" into this story. It brings shame on the club with regards its local reputation, will harm the club's ability to attract good contractors and shows that a total clown ( whoever that is ) is in charge of legal matters. This is not down to personalities, its down to the club looking amateur and shabby.
angus mc coatup
says...
2:43pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:he aint a banker though is he.he runs a football club.
CB FRY LIVES wrote:Good point.
Linesman wrote:what does one expect when a banker is left to run the club.lets hope cortese running the club does not become cortese ruining the club.maybe he would be better off working at fratton park.they are used to unpaid bills there.
Since Herr Liebherr died there has been nobody in a position to keep Cortese in check.
At a time when many businesses are facing difficult financial times, this does nothing to improve the club's reputation and may well make both businesses and other football clubs less willing to have dealings with the club.
Worth remembering that it was Bankers who were to blame for the International Financial Crisis that we are currently suffering from.
angus mc coatup
says...
2:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12
TEBOURBA wrote:hahaha !!
Reading this column it seems I'm not the only one who's sussed out Cortese, maybe I'm not the clot the happy clappers call me.
SFC under this man, is to quote again the Oxford Dictionary word of the year 2012 is an omnishambles --- something that has been comprehensively mismanaged , characterised by a string of blunders and miscalculations ---
For a large company to force a supplier to go to court to get paid his dues is despicable.
Many small companies have gone to the wall, not because they've done a bad job or were inefficient but because they've shelled out their money, only to run out of cash, because clients won't pay them.
Cortese wouldn't appreciate this of course, as a large part of SFC's income is paid up front by the season ticket holders.
No doubt one of the band of happy clappers a.k.a. -- see no evil -- hear no evil -- speak no evil --- of their hero Nicola ---will take great pleasure in correcting me but isn't the debt of £60k just one tenth of the £600k the omnishambler pays himself in salary?
The man's an out and out shyster, who, if Saints lose a couple more games this month, will without doubt sack Nigel without batting an eyelid.
He's probably already lined up NA's replacement !!
RYRIHF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
you aint fooling anybody.
once a saint
says...
2:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12
randre wrote:I agree that he can do what he thinks is right for the business but when you feel that things are not right then it is wrong to sit back and shut up. Running a football club is like no other business so there is bound to be more criticism (and praise) of actions from the top. It is not like swapping internet supplier so to suggest you simply walk away and vote with your feet is not in the best interests of SFC and given how thick skinned the chairman is will have little impact on what he decides to do. For all his faults (and I am not a Lowe lover) he had the guts to stand up and face the fans in good and bad times.
angus mc coatup wrote: as far as I'm concerned mr cortese can do whatever he thinks is good for business.he's running the show,so he can do what he wants.If he chooses to keep all he's dealings under wraps,that's his prerogative.all I can say to people who don't like It,Is don't go.no one is forcing people to watch,so If you aint happy how the clubs being run then don't watch,thats your prerogative. If you think he's the antichrist then vote with your feet.and most of this anti cortese rubbish is posted by skates trying to make out they're saints fans. cue tebourba he usually posts about now.I agree with you Angus.... I can't see how any Saints fan can moan about NC after what he has achieved. I certainly wouldn't trade for the return of Rupert that's for sure!!
Linesman
says...
2:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12
randre wrote:This is NOT a case of overlooking to pay a bill.
Cheapshot wrote:I agree, this is good copy for the Skates and doom merchants who would love to believe we are a bad club and that Cortese is the son of Vito Corleone.
truelysaints wrote:I'm sure!
Cheapshot wrote:"Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!"
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Are you so sure?
As someone posted above, its chicken feed in comparison to how much money is spent in football. What's annoying is that whenever a story like this comes out, you get people up in arms spouting conspiracy theories about how badly the club is run, and how NC is running the club into the ground, and we're not paying that and didn't pay this. It's all bullsh#t!
Similar cases like this happen on a regular basis where some bigger organization over looks to pay a bill. From looking into this it would seem this was a dispute because the work was not finished in time and so the club were witholding the payment as a consequence. However it seems the work was only delayed as the club asked for alterations. Possibly a genuine case of miscommunication or just crossed wires.
The club possibly realised it was a mistake, hence they never bothered to send representation as they were prepared to concede they were at fault.
I don't think there is anything sinister within this at all, it is common this kind of thing happens in larger organizations, especially when various people maybe responsible for taking such contracts and then relaying information for the accounts / finance department to settle payments.
However, I would be very careful in upsetting our Don, he has a good supply of horses!!
Reminders would have been sent.
The club would have been made aware that they were required to attend court, and could have settled the bill there and then, which would have avoided the unwelcome publicity.
Why is that supporters can feel justified to criticise a player when he has a bad game, but when the club' s administrators screw up, they try to defend them?
No ifs. No buts.
The club got it wrong.
A LOCAL firm had to take them to court to get money owed.
Linesman
says...
2:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12
angus mc coatup wrote:Read my comment in conjunction with CB's.
Linesman wrote:he aint a banker though is he.he runs a football club.
CB FRY LIVES wrote:Good point.
Linesman wrote:what does one expect when a banker is left to run the club.lets hope cortese running the club does not become cortese ruining the club.maybe he would be better off working at fratton park.they are used to unpaid bills there.
Since Herr Liebherr died there has been nobody in a position to keep Cortese in check.
At a time when many businesses are facing difficult financial times, this does nothing to improve the club's reputation and may well make both businesses and other football clubs less willing to have dealings with the club.
Worth remembering that it was Bankers who were to blame for the International Financial Crisis that we are currently suffering from.
Then, check out Cortese's previous employment.
once a saint
says...
3:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12
TEBOURBA wrote:Best post of the day.
Reading this column it seems I'm not the only one who's sussed out Cortese, maybe I'm not the clot the happy clappers call me. SFC under this man, is to quote again the Oxford Dictionary word of the year 2012 is an omnishambles --- something that has been comprehensively mismanaged , characterised by a string of blunders and miscalculations --- For a large company to force a supplier to go to court to get paid his dues is despicable. Many small companies have gone to the wall, not because they've done a bad job or were inefficient but because they've shelled out their money, only to run out of cash, because clients won't pay them. Cortese wouldn't appreciate this of course, as a large part of SFC's income is paid up front by the season ticket holders. No doubt one of the band of happy clappers a.k.a. -- see no evil -- hear no evil -- speak no evil --- of their hero Nicola ---will take great pleasure in correcting me but isn't the debt of £60k just one tenth of the £600k the omnishambler pays himself in salary? The man's an out and out shyster, who, if Saints lose a couple more games this month, will without doubt sack Nigel without batting an eyelid. He's probably already lined up NA's replacement !! RYRIHF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
George4th
says...
3:11pm Fri 16 Nov 12
To those who wish to relieve themselves and get their knickers in a twist over their own angst by throwing mud at Cortese - go ahead - I hope you feel better! The negative comments are all your own interpretation and opinions based on rumours and innuendo.
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The one fact is that SFC held back on a final payment of £55k - a normal event in anyone's life if you wish for clarity before making a final settlement. It seems that they had a continuing disagreement that required a Court to settle - again, not an unusual event in a dispute. Result? SFC pay the £55K + VAT as per original Invoice, Plus another £4,679.63 in Interest and Legal costs. Let me repeat that - we are only talking about £4,679.63 extra on top of a Bill of £315,000! About 1.5%!
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The one fact is that SFC held back on a final payment of £55k - a normal event in anyone's life if you wish for clarity before making a final settlement. It seems that they had a continuing disagreement that required a Court to settle - again, not an unusual event in a dispute. Result? SFC pay the £55K + VAT as per original Invoice, Plus another £4,679.63 in Interest and Legal costs. Let me repeat that - we are only talking about £4,679.63 extra on top of a Bill of £315,000! About 1.5%!
TEBOURBA
says...
3:11pm Fri 16 Nov 12
A man who pays himself £600k a year,
refuses to pay a £60k debt due in May, refuses a court order to pay it in August is taken to court again in November and will possibly pay it in December(can't be sure he hasn't paid it yet!)
Is a shyster of the highest order and anyone who supports or defends such action is equally despicable!
refuses to pay a £60k debt due in May, refuses a court order to pay it in August is taken to court again in November and will possibly pay it in December(can't be sure he hasn't paid it yet!)
Is a shyster of the highest order and anyone who supports or defends such action is equally despicable!
Cheapshot
says...
3:12pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:No i don't think other clubs would be aware of us owing some local business which they would have never heard of 60K...in fact, i doubt it even registered!
Cheapshot wrote:If the debt had been paid when the bill was presented, the club would not have this bad publicity.
Ciaran wrote:Such a big important legal case that they felt wasn't important enough to turn up to??
Cheapshot wrote:No, this is a DE story about a legal case.
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Not scare mongering - this is legal fact.
Time to take your head of of the sand, I suggest.
Get a grip! Absolute non story!
It seems to me that there are some saints fans that will never be pleased with how the clubs is run!
City Saint, I do agree with you though!
The country is in a financial crisis.
In seven or eight weeks the transfer window will open and with the team's position in the league, it is reasonable to assume that the club will want to buy to reinforce the squad.
Don't you think that other clubs would be aware of this court case?
Don't you think that other clubs would be wary about doing business with a club that has to be taken to court to get money owed.
A good reputation is built up over many years,
BUT IT CAN BE LOST OVERNIGHT!
I would hope that the hierarchy at SFC are working hard on bringing players in than paying a bill they obviously thought wasn't worth paying!
God, talk about making a mountains out of a mole hills! For all those still not getting it, please read Randre comments. That should clear it all up!
randre
says...
3:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:Nobody is saying the club didn't get it wrong, of course they did and I am sure somebody is in some trouble for letting it go this far.
randre wrote:This is NOT a case of overlooking to pay a bill.
Cheapshot wrote:I agree, this is good copy for the Skates and doom merchants who would love to believe we are a bad club and that Cortese is the son of Vito Corleone.
truelysaints wrote:I'm sure!
Cheapshot wrote:"Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!"
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
Are you so sure?
As someone posted above, its chicken feed in comparison to how much money is spent in football. What's annoying is that whenever a story like this comes out, you get people up in arms spouting conspiracy theories about how badly the club is run, and how NC is running the club into the ground, and we're not paying that and didn't pay this. It's all bullsh#t!
Similar cases like this happen on a regular basis where some bigger organization over looks to pay a bill. From looking into this it would seem this was a dispute because the work was not finished in time and so the club were witholding the payment as a consequence. However it seems the work was only delayed as the club asked for alterations. Possibly a genuine case of miscommunication or just crossed wires.
The club possibly realised it was a mistake, hence they never bothered to send representation as they were prepared to concede they were at fault.
I don't think there is anything sinister within this at all, it is common this kind of thing happens in larger organizations, especially when various people maybe responsible for taking such contracts and then relaying information for the accounts / finance department to settle payments.
However, I would be very careful in upsetting our Don, he has a good supply of horses!!
Reminders would have been sent.
The club would have been made aware that they were required to attend court, and could have settled the bill there and then, which would have avoided the unwelcome publicity.
Why is that supporters can feel justified to criticise a player when he has a bad game, but when the club' s administrators screw up, they try to defend them?
No ifs. No buts.
The club got it wrong.
A LOCAL firm had to take them to court to get money owed.
However, what is evident is that there are people who will come on here and make a bigger deal out of it than it actually is. All the doom merchants and skates will say this points to certain doom and financial ruin.. It doesn't. What it means is that somebody in administration at Southampton messed up and it isn't good. But that is all it is, it happens, there is nothing sinister.
My point was about the people who will make a bigger deal about this story than there really is. There are certain people who would love to think Southampton are going into financial meltdown because of unpaid bill. In the same way people over reacted when the building work of the new training facilities were suspended.
This is just what it is, a bill that was unpaid and a big mistake in Southampton admin and a bad bit of PR.
randre
says...
3:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12
TEBOURBA wrote:Now I get it... You are jealous of the salary Cortese earns. That is why you are always so anti Cortese.
A man who pays himself £600k a year,
refuses to pay a £60k debt due in May, refuses a court order to pay it in August is taken to court again in November and will possibly pay it in December(can't be sure he hasn't paid it yet!)
Is a shyster of the highest order and anyone who supports or defends such action is equally despicable!
You are jealous.
Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
angus mc coatup
says...
3:27pm Fri 16 Nov 12
TEBOURBA wrote:you don't know anything,you just make up to suit,we all know you're a skate.
A man who pays himself £600k a year,
refuses to pay a £60k debt due in May, refuses a court order to pay it in August is taken to court again in November and will possibly pay it in December(can't be sure he hasn't paid it yet!)
Is a shyster of the highest order and anyone who supports or defends such action is equally despicable!
once a saint
says...
3:27pm Fri 16 Nov 12
randre wrote:Bad PR yes poor admin very much doubt. Only one person would be responsible for seeing a bill as large as that is paid and he is the one caused the confusion in the first place, call me a skate if you like but at least I can see Cortese for what he is.
Linesman wrote:Nobody is saying the club didn't get it wrong, of course they did and I am sure somebody is in some trouble for letting it go this far. However, what is evident is that there are people who will come on here and make a bigger deal out of it than it actually is. All the doom merchants and skates will say this points to certain doom and financial ruin.. It doesn't. What it means is that somebody in administration at Southampton messed up and it isn't good. But that is all it is, it happens, there is nothing sinister. My point was about the people who will make a bigger deal about this story than there really is. There are certain people who would love to think Southampton are going into financial meltdown because of unpaid bill. In the same way people over reacted when the building work of the new training facilities were suspended. This is just what it is, a bill that was unpaid and a big mistake in Southampton admin and a bad bit of PR.randre wrote:This is NOT a case of overlooking to pay a bill. Reminders would have been sent. The club would have been made aware that they were required to attend court, and could have settled the bill there and then, which would have avoided the unwelcome publicity. Why is that supporters can feel justified to criticise a player when he has a bad game, but when the club' s administrators screw up, they try to defend them? No ifs. No buts. The club got it wrong. A LOCAL firm had to take them to court to get money owed.Cheapshot wrote:I agree, this is good copy for the Skates and doom merchants who would love to believe we are a bad club and that Cortese is the son of Vito Corleone. Similar cases like this happen on a regular basis where some bigger organization over looks to pay a bill. From looking into this it would seem this was a dispute because the work was not finished in time and so the club were witholding the payment as a consequence. However it seems the work was only delayed as the club asked for alterations. Possibly a genuine case of miscommunication or just crossed wires. The club possibly realised it was a mistake, hence they never bothered to send representation as they were prepared to concede they were at fault. I don't think there is anything sinister within this at all, it is common this kind of thing happens in larger organizations, especially when various people maybe responsible for taking such contracts and then relaying information for the accounts / finance department to settle payments. However, I would be very careful in upsetting our Don, he has a good supply of horses!!truelysaints wrote:I'm sure! As someone posted above, its chicken feed in comparison to how much money is spent in football. What's annoying is that whenever a story like this comes out, you get people up in arms spouting conspiracy theories about how badly the club is run, and how NC is running the club into the ground, and we're not paying that and didn't pay this. It's all bullsh#t!Cheapshot wrote:"Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!" Are you so sure?SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again! My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from. As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO! Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on! COYRCheapshot wrote:Garbage ! They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later. Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.SaintsBTGOG wrote: Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago! As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
angus mc coatup
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3:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12
once a saint wrote:you're a skate.
randre wrote:Bad PR yes poor admin very much doubt. Only one person would be responsible for seeing a bill as large as that is paid and he is the one caused the confusion in the first place, call me a skate if you like but at least I can see Cortese for what he is.
Linesman wrote:Nobody is saying the club didn't get it wrong, of course they did and I am sure somebody is in some trouble for letting it go this far. However, what is evident is that there are people who will come on here and make a bigger deal out of it than it actually is. All the doom merchants and skates will say this points to certain doom and financial ruin.. It doesn't. What it means is that somebody in administration at Southampton messed up and it isn't good. But that is all it is, it happens, there is nothing sinister. My point was about the people who will make a bigger deal about this story than there really is. There are certain people who would love to think Southampton are going into financial meltdown because of unpaid bill. In the same way people over reacted when the building work of the new training facilities were suspended. This is just what it is, a bill that was unpaid and a big mistake in Southampton admin and a bad bit of PR.randre wrote:This is NOT a case of overlooking to pay a bill. Reminders would have been sent. The club would have been made aware that they were required to attend court, and could have settled the bill there and then, which would have avoided the unwelcome publicity. Why is that supporters can feel justified to criticise a player when he has a bad game, but when the club' s administrators screw up, they try to defend them? No ifs. No buts. The club got it wrong. A LOCAL firm had to take them to court to get money owed.Cheapshot wrote:I agree, this is good copy for the Skates and doom merchants who would love to believe we are a bad club and that Cortese is the son of Vito Corleone. Similar cases like this happen on a regular basis where some bigger organization over looks to pay a bill. From looking into this it would seem this was a dispute because the work was not finished in time and so the club were witholding the payment as a consequence. However it seems the work was only delayed as the club asked for alterations. Possibly a genuine case of miscommunication or just crossed wires. The club possibly realised it was a mistake, hence they never bothered to send representation as they were prepared to concede they were at fault. I don't think there is anything sinister within this at all, it is common this kind of thing happens in larger organizations, especially when various people maybe responsible for taking such contracts and then relaying information for the accounts / finance department to settle payments. However, I would be very careful in upsetting our Don, he has a good supply of horses!!truelysaints wrote:I'm sure! As someone posted above, its chicken feed in comparison to how much money is spent in football. What's annoying is that whenever a story like this comes out, you get people up in arms spouting conspiracy theories about how badly the club is run, and how NC is running the club into the ground, and we're not paying that and didn't pay this. It's all bullsh#t!Cheapshot wrote:"Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!" Are you so sure?SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again! My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from. As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO! Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on! COYRCheapshot wrote:Garbage ! They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later. Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.SaintsBTGOG wrote: Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago! As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
randre
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3:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12
once a saint wrote:What is that then, what is Cortese, come on tell all..
randre wrote:Bad PR yes poor admin very much doubt. Only one person would be responsible for seeing a bill as large as that is paid and he is the one caused the confusion in the first place, call me a skate if you like but at least I can see Cortese for what he is.
Linesman wrote:Nobody is saying the club didn't get it wrong, of course they did and I am sure somebody is in some trouble for letting it go this far. However, what is evident is that there are people who will come on here and make a bigger deal out of it than it actually is. All the doom merchants and skates will say this points to certain doom and financial ruin.. It doesn't. What it means is that somebody in administration at Southampton messed up and it isn't good. But that is all it is, it happens, there is nothing sinister. My point was about the people who will make a bigger deal about this story than there really is. There are certain people who would love to think Southampton are going into financial meltdown because of unpaid bill. In the same way people over reacted when the building work of the new training facilities were suspended. This is just what it is, a bill that was unpaid and a big mistake in Southampton admin and a bad bit of PR.randre wrote:This is NOT a case of overlooking to pay a bill. Reminders would have been sent. The club would have been made aware that they were required to attend court, and could have settled the bill there and then, which would have avoided the unwelcome publicity. Why is that supporters can feel justified to criticise a player when he has a bad game, but when the club' s administrators screw up, they try to defend them? No ifs. No buts. The club got it wrong. A LOCAL firm had to take them to court to get money owed.Cheapshot wrote:I agree, this is good copy for the Skates and doom merchants who would love to believe we are a bad club and that Cortese is the son of Vito Corleone. Similar cases like this happen on a regular basis where some bigger organization over looks to pay a bill. From looking into this it would seem this was a dispute because the work was not finished in time and so the club were witholding the payment as a consequence. However it seems the work was only delayed as the club asked for alterations. Possibly a genuine case of miscommunication or just crossed wires. The club possibly realised it was a mistake, hence they never bothered to send representation as they were prepared to concede they were at fault. I don't think there is anything sinister within this at all, it is common this kind of thing happens in larger organizations, especially when various people maybe responsible for taking such contracts and then relaying information for the accounts / finance department to settle payments. However, I would be very careful in upsetting our Don, he has a good supply of horses!!truelysaints wrote:I'm sure! As someone posted above, its chicken feed in comparison to how much money is spent in football. What's annoying is that whenever a story like this comes out, you get people up in arms spouting conspiracy theories about how badly the club is run, and how NC is running the club into the ground, and we're not paying that and didn't pay this. It's all bullsh#t!Cheapshot wrote:"Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!" Are you so sure?SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again! My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from. As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO! Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on! COYRCheapshot wrote:Garbage ! They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later. Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.SaintsBTGOG wrote: Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago! As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
I'm sorry, but football clubs are huge multi million pound companies (especially in the top flight). Whilst £60k to us is a lot of money, I doubt it registers as such in the world of football do you? This was a £60k last settlement, not £600,000!
I am sure a company with the turnover of Southampton would not need to go through the executive chairman for all such payments... Now if it had been £600,000 I am sure that is a different story.
Saintsayer II
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4:10pm Fri 16 Nov 12
angus mc coatup wrote:No he's not a skate...............
TEBOURBA wrote:you don't know anything,you just make up to suit,we all know you're a skate.
A man who pays himself £600k a year,
refuses to pay a £60k debt due in May, refuses a court order to pay it in August is taken to court again in November and will possibly pay it in December(can't be sure he hasn't paid it yet!)
Is a shyster of the highest order and anyone who supports or defends such action is equally despicable!
.unfortunately
Saintsayer II
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4:14pm Fri 16 Nov 12
randre wrote:What do you make of the Glaziers then who pay themselves £20m from Man Utd
TEBOURBA wrote:Now I get it... You are jealous of the salary Cortese earns. That is why you are always so anti Cortese.
A man who pays himself £600k a year,
refuses to pay a £60k debt due in May, refuses a court order to pay it in August is taken to court again in November and will possibly pay it in December(can't be sure he hasn't paid it yet!)
Is a shyster of the highest order and anyone who supports or defends such action is equally despicable!
You are jealous.
Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
when the club is £300m in debt
thomasupton
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4:32pm Fri 16 Nov 12
I'm with Tebourba on this one, they've been ordered to pay the bill and should pay it, simple.
randre
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4:33pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Saintsayer II wrote:Exactly, says it for me. There are chairman that would not get out of bed for the wages that Cortese earns.
randre wrote:What do you make of the Glaziers then who pay themselves £20m from Man Utd
TEBOURBA wrote:Now I get it... You are jealous of the salary Cortese earns. That is why you are always so anti Cortese.
A man who pays himself £600k a year,
refuses to pay a £60k debt due in May, refuses a court order to pay it in August is taken to court again in November and will possibly pay it in December(can't be sure he hasn't paid it yet!)
Is a shyster of the highest order and anyone who supports or defends such action is equally despicable!
You are jealous.
Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
when the club is £300m in debt
Look, I'm not worried what footballers, managers or chairman earn. If they are good at their job they should get paid well for it, I have no problem with that.
Nicola Cortese was well respected by Markus Liebherr, and if he was happy to pay him 600,000 per year or 6 million per year that is his prerogative. Markus trusted him to do the job, for me he has done exactly what he promised us. As far as I am concerned delivering on a promise speaks volumes and tells me far more than what some of the NC knockers would have us believe.
Linesman
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4:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12
George4th wrote:If that is the case, why didn't someone from the club attend court and give their reason for not paying?
To those who wish to relieve themselves and get their knickers in a twist over their own angst by throwing mud at Cortese - go ahead - I hope you feel better! The negative comments are all your own interpretation and opinions based on rumours and innuendo.
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The one fact is that SFC held back on a final payment of £55k - a normal event in anyone's life if you wish for clarity before making a final settlement. It seems that they had a continuing disagreement that required a Court to settle - again, not an unusual event in a dispute. Result? SFC pay the £55K + VAT as per original Invoice, Plus another £4,679.63 in Interest and Legal costs. Let me repeat that - we are only talking about £4,679.63 extra on top of a Bill of £315,000! About 1.5%!
You say, 'Only £4,679.63'. That may be chicken feed to a football club, but it is a lot to a local business.
Whatever way you look at it, the club were in the wrong, and they have got publicity that they could do without.
SaintsBTGOG
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4:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Cheapshot wrote:Ahh not wrong at all im afraid and people dont walk offsite for a design change ! The club OS lies through its teeth and fans like you lap it up. Oh and my info comes from one of the people working on site ! The contractor himself was quoted as saying it was financially related before SFC/Sibley told them a load of cobblers to run instead.
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Wrong again!
Cheapshot wrote:Garbage !
SaintsBTGOG wrote:They downed tools because of a change of design not because of unpaid bills....this was on the OS not long ago!
Not suprised to read this as Cortese has become well known for not paying bills. The staplewood contractor downed tools because of non payments recently. There are numerous other people who have gone to court or tribunal to get money owed like Francis Benali. Cortese obnoxious behaviour is well known and hes running out of rope.
As for the unpaid bill related to this story....who cares!! We're still financially sound.
They walked off site due to non payment of bills ! Cortese tried to pull a fast one regarding the contract. He got owned and they walked off until payment arrived two weeks later.
Financially sound ? borrwing £15million of a offshore thirdy party with £300,000 interest.
My cousin is one of the construction mangers for the company and it was a "forced" change in the design which caused a short break of construction. FACT! As i said previously, this was on the clubs OS not long ago. So god knows where you're getting your information from.
As for the 15M offshore account...we're one of many premier league clubs to do just that! Less interest charged on credit so it makes perfect sense. Do you honestly think a Swiss banker will cripple our club financially?? The answer you're looking for is NO!
Get a grip man...this is a complete non story! Just scare mongering by the DE for people who are easily led-on!
COYR
I also know that Cortese made the contractor pay for a hosp box to win the contract.
Cheapshot holed and sunk.
Personally id like the Daily Echo to ask Sunseeker if there is any truth in the club buying a yacht.
Linesman
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4:51pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Saintsayer II wrote:But nobody has taken Man Utd to court for non-payment of a debt. That's the big difference.
randre wrote:What do you make of the Glaziers then who pay themselves £20m from Man Utd
TEBOURBA wrote:Now I get it... You are jealous of the salary Cortese earns. That is why you are always so anti Cortese.
A man who pays himself £600k a year,
refuses to pay a £60k debt due in May, refuses a court order to pay it in August is taken to court again in November and will possibly pay it in December(can't be sure he hasn't paid it yet!)
Is a shyster of the highest order and anyone who supports or defends such action is equally despicable!
You are jealous.
Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.
when the club is £300m in debt
This should NEVER have reached the stage where court action was necessary.
ShakeyWiffles
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4:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12
TEBOURBA wrote:Stop with your "happy clappers" bull. People have different opinions. Deal with it
Reading this column it seems I'm not the only one who's sussed out Cortese, maybe I'm not the clot the happy clappers call me.
SFC under this man, is to quote again the Oxford Dictionary word of the year 2012 is an omnishambles --- something that has been comprehensively mismanaged , characterised by a string of blunders and miscalculations ---
For a large company to force a supplier to go to court to get paid his dues is despicable.
Many small companies have gone to the wall, not because they've done a bad job or were inefficient but because they've shelled out their money, only to run out of cash, because clients won't pay them.
Cortese wouldn't appreciate this of course, as a large part of SFC's income is paid up front by the season ticket holders.
No doubt one of the band of happy clappers a.k.a. -- see no evil -- hear no evil -- speak no evil --- of their hero Nicola ---will take great pleasure in correcting me but isn't the debt of £60k just one tenth of the £600k the omnishambler pays himself in salary?
The man's an out and out shyster, who, if Saints lose a couple more games this month, will without doubt sack Nigel without batting an eyelid.
He's probably already lined up NA's replacement !!
RYRIHF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!
Stillness
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5:03pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Best laugh on The Echo website in ages. I hear Portsmouth maybe looking for a new ground, can't St Mary's be given to them? I can't see Southampton needing it for much longer.
TEBOURBA
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5:24pm Fri 16 Nov 12
I don't begrudge anyone their salary as long as they earn it.
I quoted Cortese's £600k as comparison
to the mere £60k that he refused to pay in May, again defying a ccourt order in August and is now ordered to pay by the court in Nov.
George 4th talks utter tripe, the debt was due under the contract in May, it should have been paid on the due date, two subsequent court rulings have supported this.
I expect George 4th and all the other Nicola huggers would have a different view if they had done work for him and had to wait 6 months for their money.
I suggest he tries getting in to SMS and telling Nicloa he'll pay in 6 months time and see how far he gets.
The man is a shyster, unlike Markus, the only things he has made in his life are enemies.
I quoted Cortese's £600k as comparison
to the mere £60k that he refused to pay in May, again defying a ccourt order in August and is now ordered to pay by the court in Nov.
George 4th talks utter tripe, the debt was due under the contract in May, it should have been paid on the due date, two subsequent court rulings have supported this.
I expect George 4th and all the other Nicola huggers would have a different view if they had done work for him and had to wait 6 months for their money.
I suggest he tries getting in to SMS and telling Nicloa he'll pay in 6 months time and see how far he gets.
The man is a shyster, unlike Markus, the only things he has made in his life are enemies.
George4th
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5:40pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:Attending Court was not a necessity so why waste the time?!
George4th wrote:If that is the case, why didn't someone from the club attend court and give their reason for not paying?
To those who wish to relieve themselves and get their knickers in a twist over their own angst by throwing mud at Cortese - go ahead - I hope you feel better! The negative comments are all your own interpretation and opinions based on rumours and innuendo.
>
The one fact is that SFC held back on a final payment of £55k - a normal event in anyone's life if you wish for clarity before making a final settlement. It seems that they had a continuing disagreement that required a Court to settle - again, not an unusual event in a dispute. Result? SFC pay the £55K + VAT as per original Invoice, Plus another £4,679.63 in Interest and Legal costs. Let me repeat that - we are only talking about £4,679.63 extra on top of a Bill of £315,000! About 1.5%!
You say, 'Only £4,679.63'. That may be chicken feed to a football club, but it is a lot to a local business.
Whatever way you look at it, the club were in the wrong, and they have got publicity that they could do without.
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Why comment on the £4,679.63?! The service company are getting their money plus an extra £1370.63.
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If you care to attend Court around the UK you will find it is an everyday event with some of the major companies involved as well! Disputes happen all the time. If the press recorded all of them there wouldn't be room for any other news!!
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The Daily Echo were being very mischievous in publishing what is in affect a "non-story"! In fact, the only people who know about it are those who read the Daily Echo - no one else knows or cares!
pompey in spain
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5:59pm Fri 16 Nov 12
disgusting !!!!! in debt!! terrible club!!
Tye-Dye pt2
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6:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12
To those who are valiantly trying to defend the club against the agenda neggy's & the simpleton destitute skunts don't waste your breath all, the DE feeds them and they lap it up, its pathetic and amusing in equal measure.
Stillness
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6:03pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Beyond redemption. Ban football.
P J English Associates
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6:03pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Non-story??
Watch this space because there is more to come
Watch this space because there is more to come
SaintinCanada
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6:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Shame that the Skates hate us. If things were less acrimonious there would be loads of inciming constructive advice on how to exist without paying bills. They are a world-class outfit at this.
Oh well....we can afford it!
Oh well....we can afford it!
Thornhill Saint
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6:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:This kind of story was going to come out sooner or later. It is a shame, but to be fair it's a football club and they all (at least on the South Coast, Bompey included, apear to be cr*p payers)
Que Teboreus.
To be fair a friend who attends matches in the same suite as me owns an interior company. He quoted for the work the summer before but at each meeting NC changed his mind on what he wanted. The club was also overly keen about damages for any overruns. He pulled out because he saw where it was going.
SaintsBTGOG
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6:34pm Fri 16 Nov 12
P J English Associates wrote:I hope so as Cortese is a clown and out of control.
Non-story??
Watch this space because there is more to come
Thornhill Saint
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6:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12
P J English Associates wrote:I support the current regime, but you are probably right. I kind of hope like with the Corporate clients Cortese smells the coffee and puts it right.
Non-story??
Watch this space because there is more to come
Thornhill Saint
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6:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12
P J English Associates wrote:I support the current regime, but you are probably right. I kind of hope like with the Corporate clients Cortese smells the coffee and puts it right.
Non-story??
Watch this space because there is more to come
SaintsBTGOG
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6:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Is this the same Nicola Cortese who wanted Adkins to walk out of his job and thus not pay any compo ?
To say Cortese is 'toxic' is an understatement.
I bet he was sweating a goodun with Markus's sister sat behind him last Saturday !
To say Cortese is 'toxic' is an understatement.
I bet he was sweating a goodun with Markus's sister sat behind him last Saturday !
Thornhill Saint
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6:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Still able to stand up and clap the manager and team off despite us not getting the win. What makes you think this is is intention anyways. Not another fly on the a wall (Do you know TEBOURAH) during the long talk they had after the West Brom game who knows it all are you?
Is this the same Nicola Cortese who wanted Adkins to walk out of his job and thus not pay any compo ?
To say Cortese is 'toxic' is an understatement.
I bet he was sweating a goodun with Markus's sister sat behind him last Saturday !
Thornhill Saint
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6:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12
SaintsBTGOG wrote:Still able to stand up and clap the manager and team off despite us not getting the win. What makes you think this is is intention anyways. Not another fly on the a wall (Do you know TEBOURAH) during the long talk they had after the West Brom game who knows it all are you?
Is this the same Nicola Cortese who wanted Adkins to walk out of his job and thus not pay any compo ?
To say Cortese is 'toxic' is an understatement.
I bet he was sweating a goodun with Markus's sister sat behind him last Saturday !
Peachiesleftfoot
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7:30pm Fri 16 Nov 12
angus mc coatup wrote:Spot on
as far as I'm concerned mr cortese can do whatever he thinks is good for business.he's running the show,so he can do what he wants.If he chooses to keep all he's dealings under wraps,that's his prerogative.all I can say to people who don't like It,Is don't go.no one is forcing people to watch,so If you aint happy how the clubs being run then don't watch,thats your prerogative. If you think he's the antichrist then vote with your feet.and most of this anti cortese rubbish is posted by skates trying to make out they're saints fans.
cue tebourba he usually posts about now.
Linesman
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7:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12
George4th wrote:You are right, attending court was not a necessity.
Linesman wrote:Attending Court was not a necessity so why waste the time?!
George4th wrote:If that is the case, why didn't someone from the club attend court and give their reason for not paying?
To those who wish to relieve themselves and get their knickers in a twist over their own angst by throwing mud at Cortese - go ahead - I hope you feel better! The negative comments are all your own interpretation and opinions based on rumours and innuendo.
>
The one fact is that SFC held back on a final payment of £55k - a normal event in anyone's life if you wish for clarity before making a final settlement. It seems that they had a continuing disagreement that required a Court to settle - again, not an unusual event in a dispute. Result? SFC pay the £55K + VAT as per original Invoice, Plus another £4,679.63 in Interest and Legal costs. Let me repeat that - we are only talking about £4,679.63 extra on top of a Bill of £315,000! About 1.5%!
You say, 'Only £4,679.63'. That may be chicken feed to a football club, but it is a lot to a local business.
Whatever way you look at it, the club were in the wrong, and they have got publicity that they could do without.
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Why comment on the £4,679.63?! The service company are getting their money plus an extra £1370.63.
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If you care to attend Court around the UK you will find it is an everyday event with some of the major companies involved as well! Disputes happen all the time. If the press recorded all of them there wouldn't be room for any other news!!
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The Daily Echo were being very mischievous in publishing what is in affect a "non-story"! In fact, the only people who know about it are those who read the Daily Echo - no one else knows or cares!
The point that I, and others, are attempting to make is that it should never have reached this stage.
Southampton Football Club have some standing, not just in the local community, but country-wide, and this sort of story, in these financially troubled times, is something that I would think, and competent businessman would want to avoid.
It is not just Saints' fans that are aware of this reluctance to pay money owed, but also other local businesses who the club may wish to employ at some time.
If you were a local businessman and were approached by the club to do a few thousands pounds worth of work, would you be happy to do so, or would you be wondering whether, if you did the job, you would have to hire a lawyer to get your money?
Try to divorce yourself from club loyalty before you answer.
ghk230473
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7:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12
angus mc coatup wrote:I think a few already are. Obviously the furore of the premier league brings in jcl and others, but if and it's a likely if we go down I expect a lot less in attendance than last season.
as far as I'm concerned mr cortese can do whatever he thinks is good for business.he's running the show,so he can do what he wants.If he chooses to keep all he's dealings under wraps,that's his prerogative.all I can say to people who don't like It,Is don't go.no one is forcing people to watch,so If you aint happy how the clubs being run then don't watch,thats your prerogative. If you think he's the antichrist then vote with your feet.and most of this anti cortese rubbish is posted by skates trying to make out they're saints fans.
cue tebourba he usually posts about now.
Schwi is a ruthless little count!
Linesman
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7:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12
angus mc coatup wrote:This is not about whether people love or hate Cortese, it is about paying money that is owed to people that have done work for the football club.
as far as I'm concerned mr cortese can do whatever he thinks is good for business.he's running the show,so he can do what he wants.If he chooses to keep all he's dealings under wraps,that's his prerogative.all I can say to people who don't like It,Is don't go.no one is forcing people to watch,so If you aint happy how the clubs being run then don't watch,thats your prerogative. If you think he's the antichrist then vote with your feet.and most of this anti cortese rubbish is posted by skates trying to make out they're saints fans.
cue tebourba he usually posts about now.
I have no doubt that the first request for payment did not arrive on Cortese's desk, and I can accept that he may not have seen the second request, but I would bet that someone showed him the letter from the firm's solicitor asking the club to pay up or go to court.
No good trying to claim that anyone who thinks differently to you is a Pompey supporter. Not every Saints fan is blinkered in their support, and are honest enough to know that, when a job has been done, the people who did the work are entitled to be paid.
City Saint
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8:13pm Fri 16 Nov 12
MGRA wrote:Agree. The only positive thing about this story is that the echo reported it, and that is the Fourth Estate in action on our behalf as fans.
only a complete idiot would read anything "postive" into this story. It brings shame on the club with regards its local reputation, will harm the club's ability to attract good contractors and shows that a total clown ( whoever that is ) is in charge of legal matters. This is not down to personalities, its down to the club looking amateur and shabby.
The club contributes to the local economy; the local economy provides the support that ultimately keeps the club alive.
This is an own goal from saints that deserves to be reported, to keep the financial back office honest if nothing else.
Anyone suggesting that this points to financial difficulties is lacking perspective, though. Currently saints pay many, many multiples of this figure in weekly salaries alone.
What this points to is a sloppy financial team and poor advice from Nicola's pr team.
Nicola should be reading the riot act to his lawyers and the paymaster over this one. On some level, I think he is. But who knows? The sound of crickets chirruping is deafening from the saints or department.
angus mc coatup
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8:15pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:well not every saints fan is blinkered to the fact that most of the anti cortese rubbish comes from skates under the guise of a saints fan.I merely pointed out the fact that as cortese is in the driving seat he can run the club however he sees fit.he aint beholding to you or anybody else except the liebherrs.he answers to them and if they aren't happy with that then they have a choice to make.as I don't know all the facts I will not comment on why the payment wasn't made.
angus mc coatup wrote:This is not about whether people love or hate Cortese, it is about paying money that is owed to people that have done work for the football club.
as far as I'm concerned mr cortese can do whatever he thinks is good for business.he's running the show,so he can do what he wants.If he chooses to keep all he's dealings under wraps,that's his prerogative.all I can say to people who don't like It,Is don't go.no one is forcing people to watch,so If you aint happy how the clubs being run then don't watch,thats your prerogative. If you think he's the antichrist then vote with your feet.and most of this anti cortese rubbish is posted by skates trying to make out they're saints fans.
cue tebourba he usually posts about now.
I have no doubt that the first request for payment did not arrive on Cortese's desk, and I can accept that he may not have seen the second request, but I would bet that someone showed him the letter from the firm's solicitor asking the club to pay up or go to court.
No good trying to claim that anyone who thinks differently to you is a Pompey supporter. Not every Saints fan is blinkered in their support, and are honest enough to know that, when a job has been done, the people who did the work are entitled to be paid.
P J English Associates
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8:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Gents
The fact is that payment wasn't made because Mr Cortese decided there was no way he was going to pay Solent the remainder of their contract. It's as simple as that. He didnt care if they survived or didnt - he just wasnt going to pay! The contract was completed in its entirety, The are no serious allegations of defective work - bar minor snagging professionally valued at £750 - and there are two other on going court actions between these two parties involving further substantial amounts. Thankfully, Solent Interiors are a strong and well run company and were able to survive this. Many companies would have folded being owed more than £100k from someone who refuses to pay.
As I said earlier, watch this space as there are further bloody noses to come
Regards
Peter English
The fact is that payment wasn't made because Mr Cortese decided there was no way he was going to pay Solent the remainder of their contract. It's as simple as that. He didnt care if they survived or didnt - he just wasnt going to pay! The contract was completed in its entirety, The are no serious allegations of defective work - bar minor snagging professionally valued at £750 - and there are two other on going court actions between these two parties involving further substantial amounts. Thankfully, Solent Interiors are a strong and well run company and were able to survive this. Many companies would have folded being owed more than £100k from someone who refuses to pay.
As I said earlier, watch this space as there are further bloody noses to come
Regards
Peter English
City Saint
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8:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12
P J English Associates wrote:Well I'm pleased to hear that the company hasn't been mortally distressed by this, thanks for clarifying that.
Gents The fact is that payment wasn't made because Mr Cortese decided there was no way he was going to pay Solent the remainder of their contract. It's as simple as that. He didnt care if they survived or didnt - he just wasnt going to pay! The contract was completed in its entirety, The are no serious allegations of defective work - bar minor snagging professionally valued at £750 - and there are two other on going court actions between these two parties involving further substantial amounts. Thankfully, Solent Interiors are a strong and well run company and were able to survive this. Many companies would have folded being owed more than £100k from someone who refuses to pay. As I said earlier, watch this space as there are further bloody noses to come Regards Peter English
So on what grounds did Cortese refuse final payment of a sum that I presume was agreed up front?
George4th
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8:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12
Linesman wrote:The readership of the Daily Echo is not very big and judging by the general apathy in Southampton I doubt many gave this story more than a second glance. (Except a very few on here!)
George4th wrote:You are right, attending court was not a necessity.
Linesman wrote:Attending Court was not a necessity so why waste the time?!
George4th wrote:If that is the case, why didn't someone from the club attend court and give their reason for not paying?
To those who wish to relieve themselves and get their knickers in a twist over their own angst by throwing mud at Cortese - go ahead - I hope you feel better! The negative comments are all your own interpretation and opinions based on rumours and innuendo.
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The one fact is that SFC held back on a final payment of £55k - a normal event in anyone's life if you wish for clarity before making a final settlement. It seems that they had a continuing disagreement that required a Court to settle - again, not an unusual event in a dispute. Result? SFC pay the £55K + VAT as per original Invoice, Plus another £4,679.63 in Interest and Legal costs. Let me repeat that - we are only talking about £4,679.63 extra on top of a Bill of £315,000! About 1.5%!
You say, 'Only £4,679.63'. That may be chicken feed to a football club, but it is a lot to a local business.
Whatever way you look at it, the club were in the wrong, and they have got publicity that they could do without.
>
Why comment on the £4,679.63?! The service company are getting their money plus an extra £1370.63.
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If you care to attend Court around the UK you will find it is an everyday event with some of the major companies involved as well! Disputes happen all the time. If the press recorded all of them there wouldn't be room for any other news!!
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The Daily Echo were being very mischievous in publishing what is in affect a "non-story"! In fact, the only people who know about it are those who read the Daily Echo - no one else knows or cares!
The point that I, and others, are attempting to make is that it should never have reached this stage.
Southampton Football Club have some standing, not just in the local community, but country-wide, and this sort of story, in these financially troubled times, is something that I would think, and competent businessman would want to avoid.
It is not just Saints' fans that are aware of this reluctance to pay money owed, but also other local businesses who the club may wish to employ at some time.
If you were a local businessman and were approached by the club to do a few thousands pounds worth of work, would you be happy to do so, or would you be wondering whether, if you did the job, you would have to hire a lawyer to get your money?
Try to divorce yourself from club loyalty before you answer.
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It is a non event - disputes are a normal everyday occurance in business, for whatever reason. You deal with it and move on. Being in business involves risk, chasing creditors etc and occasionally using the law to sort out a dispute.
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As I said before, I doubt anyone outside of Southampton gives a fig! (Or in Southampton for that matter!). It's history!
bluewhiteandred
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8:48pm Fri 16 Nov 12
YOU LOT KEEP ON ABOUT POMPEY NOT PAYING BILLS !
TEBOURBA
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9:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12
The fact is Mr Cortese can't silence the courts and the press like he silenced Alan Pardew under the terms of his payoff.
I look forward to reading the other court actions being taken against the shyster.
Fair play and more power to the elbow of Solent Interiors and their lawyer's P J English, too many good companies have gone to the wall and too many honest working men have lost their jobs through shysters like Cortese refusing to pay.
The man is beneath contempt, followed closely by those who condone his actions.
Le God isn't wrong about this waste of space!
I look forward to reading the other court actions being taken against the shyster.
Fair play and more power to the elbow of Solent Interiors and their lawyer's P J English, too many good companies have gone to the wall and too many honest working men have lost their jobs through shysters like Cortese refusing to pay.
The man is beneath contempt, followed closely by those who condone his actions.
Le God isn't wrong about this waste of space!
TEBOURBA
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9:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12
George 4th is as arrogant and ignorant as the omnishambler.
I think the Directors of Solent Interiors and their honest hardworking employees give more than a fig for this court case, their livelihood and the welfare of their families depends on it !
No doubt Cortese on his £600k a year wouldn't understand this.
I hope Solent Interiors take Cortese to the cleaners with as much national publicity as possible.
As ye sow so shall ye reap -- with a bit of luck!!
Cortese and George 4th are beneath contempt!
I think the Directors of Solent Interiors and their honest hardworking employees give more than a fig for this court case, their livelihood and the welfare of their families depends on it !
No doubt Cortese on his £600k a year wouldn't understand this.
I hope Solent Interiors take Cortese to the cleaners with as much national publicity as possible.
As ye sow so shall ye reap -- with a bit of luck!!
Cortese and George 4th are beneath contempt!
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:00pm Fri 16 Nov 12
If there was a reason to not pay you attend court and explain that reason. Actually you submit your case in advance with documentary evidence, photos etc so the judge can conider the 'bundles' put before him by both sides before hearing their testimony. If you don't defend the case you lose, end of. If you're not going to defend you settle for the same amount before you get a judgement against you which is lodged at Companies House. Definately an own goal.
angus mc coatup
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10:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12
P J English Associates wrote:tebourba is a very slippery customer is he not !!
Gents
The fact is that payment wasn't made because Mr Cortese decided there was no way he was going to pay Solent the remainder of their contract. It's as simple as that. He didnt care if they survived or didnt - he just wasnt going to pay! The contract was completed in its entirety, The are no serious allegations of defective work - bar minor snagging professionally valued at £750 - and there are two other on going court actions between these two parties involving further substantial amounts. Thankfully, Solent Interiors are a strong and well run company and were able to survive this. Many companies would have folded being owed more than £100k from someone who refuses to pay.
As I said earlier, watch this space as there are further bloody noses to come
Regards
Peter English
George4th
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10:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12
TEBOURBA wrote:Thank you for your compliment and incisive opinion. I appreciate it. I'm sure Solent Interiors and P J English are grateful for your support.............
George 4th is as arrogant and ignorant as the omnishambler.
I think the Directors of Solent Interiors and their honest hardworking employees give more than a fig for this court case, their livelihood and the welfare of their families depends on it !
No doubt Cortese on his £600k a year wouldn't understand this.
I hope Solent Interiors take Cortese to the cleaners with as much national publicity as possible.
As ye sow so shall ye reap -- with a bit of luck!!
Cortese and George 4th are beneath contempt!
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randre
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11:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12
P J English Associates wrote:I've been watching, nothing happened!!
Non-story??
Watch this space because there is more to come
Are you the same PJ English Associates that tried advert ing your services on here earlier?
Says a lot about you (in my opinion).
randre
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11:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12
P J English Associates wrote:I personally don't think their legal team should be divulging any information to the public. It may not be illegal but it is ethically not right. You were posting on here earlier touting for business, until the Echo deleted I believe?!!?
Gents
The fact is that payment wasn't made because Mr Cortese decided there was no way he was going to pay Solent the remainder of their contract. It's as simple as that. He didnt care if they survived or didnt - he just wasnt going to pay! The contract was completed in its entirety, The are no serious allegations of defective work - bar minor snagging professionally valued at £750 - and there are two other on going court actions between these two parties involving further substantial amounts. Thankfully, Solent Interiors are a strong and well run company and were able to survive this. Many companies would have folded being owed more than £100k from someone who refuses to pay.
As I said earlier, watch this space as there are further bloody noses to come
Regards
Peter English
Any business that uses this forum to promote its own ends is a business to avoid in my opinion. But thanks anyway.
randre
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11:56pm Fri 16 Nov 12
P J English Associates wrote:I personally don't think their legal team should be divulging any information to the public. It may not be illegal but it is ethically not right. You were posting on here earlier touting for business, until the Echo deleted I believe?!!?
Gents
The fact is that payment wasn't made because Mr Cortese decided there was no way he was going to pay Solent the remainder of their contract. It's as simple as that. He didnt care if they survived or didnt - he just wasnt going to pay! The contract was completed in its entirety, The are no serious allegations of defective work - bar minor snagging professionally valued at £750 - and there are two other on going court actions between these two parties involving further substantial amounts. Thankfully, Solent Interiors are a strong and well run company and were able to survive this. Many companies would have folded being owed more than £100k from someone who refuses to pay.
As I said earlier, watch this space as there are further bloody noses to come
Regards
Peter English
Any business that uses this forum to promote its own ends is a business to avoid in my opinion. But thanks anyway.
once a saint says...
9:22am Fri 16 Nov 12