Southampton City Council's chief executive Alistair Neill resigns from post

Daily Echo: Alistair Neill Alistair Neill

THE chief executive of Southampton City Council has resigned from his £165,000 post.

Alistair Neill is quitting for a lower-paid role as chief of Herefordshire County Council, which is closer to his family home in Wales.

He said he will leave in March after two-and-a-half years with “some fantastic memories of both a great city and a great team of people in the council”.

Mr Neill said he had faced the “most challenging period” in the council’s history, having to cut costs by £85m and make “very hard decisions” to redesign the council and its services.

He paid tribute to “tremendously talented and dedicated colleagues right across the organisation”.

Highlights of his time included construction of the award-wining SeaCity Museum but he said the tragic shootings on board HMS Astute a year-and-a-half ago would also be a “prominent memory”. Mr Neill helped tackle a gunman on the nuclear submarine who killed his commander.

He joined Southampton council from Welsh authority Merthyr Tydfil, having previously held senior leadership roles in blue chip private sector companies such as Unilever and BP.

Council leader Cllr Richard Williams said: “I am really sorry to be losing Alistair. Over the past two years he has dealt with a vast amount of challenging and huge issues with firstrate professionalism. He will be a hard act to follow.”

Cllr Williams said he would not rule out a shared chief executive to cut costs.

Former council leader Cllr Royston Smith added Mr Neill had done a “tremendous job” and shown he was a “great appointment.”

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10:03am Fri 16 Nov 12

Independent Thought says...

Before all the 'gloom and doom' merchants come on here, I would like to congratulate Alistair on his new appointment.

Really nice bloke who undertook a very challenging job at Southampton with the seismic budget reductions facing the council. A real professional.
Before all the 'gloom and doom' merchants come on here, I would like to congratulate Alistair on his new appointment. Really nice bloke who undertook a very challenging job at Southampton with the seismic budget reductions facing the council. A real professional. Independent Thought

10:07am Fri 16 Nov 12

peenut81 says...

£165, 000 a year, i'd be a really nice bloke too if i had £3000 a week to play with!!!
£165, 000 a year, i'd be a really nice bloke too if i had £3000 a week to play with!!! peenut81

10:34am Fri 16 Nov 12

Linesman says...

peenut81 wrote:
£165, 000 a year, i'd be a really nice bloke too if i had £3000 a week to play with!!!
Ah, but you have something else to play with, although having £3,000 a week to play with does not make you go blind.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: £165, 000 a year, i'd be a really nice bloke too if i had £3000 a week to play with!!![/p][/quote]Ah, but you have something else to play with, although having £3,000 a week to play with does not make you go blind. Linesman

10:45am Fri 16 Nov 12

ohmywell says...

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
Nothing to do with the Andy Trayer resignation over untable payments from the contractors used to clean up city during Strikes 2yrs.
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa Nothing to do with the Andy Trayer resignation over untable payments from the contractors used to clean up city during Strikes 2yrs. ohmywell

10:48am Fri 16 Nov 12

sfby says...

ohmywell wrote:
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa Nothing to do with the Andy Trayer resignation over untable payments from the contractors used to clean up city during Strikes 2yrs.
Try again - perhaps this time using English...?
[quote][p][bold]ohmywell[/bold] wrote: HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa Nothing to do with the Andy Trayer resignation over untable payments from the contractors used to clean up city during Strikes 2yrs.[/p][/quote]Try again - perhaps this time using English...? sfby

10:50am Fri 16 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

Hopefully the leaders of the council will employ someone else cheaper than £165,000 pa.

Under the table payments to council officers,, surely not?
Hopefully the leaders of the council will employ someone else cheaper than £165,000 pa. Under the table payments to council officers,, surely not? Over the Edge

10:51am Fri 16 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

His only success was to get a valuable piece of Art out of the vaults and into his office. Has singularly failed SCC and the employees. One of the more invisible CX's we've had. Good riddance
His only success was to get a valuable piece of Art out of the vaults and into his office. Has singularly failed SCC and the employees. One of the more invisible CX's we've had. Good riddance nedscrumpo

11:18am Fri 16 Nov 12

southy says...

Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.
Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was. southy

11:20am Fri 16 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

nedscrumpo wrote:
His only success was to get a valuable piece of Art out of the vaults and into his office. Has singularly failed SCC and the employees. One of the more invisible CX's we've had. Good riddance
You forgot about his new rather expensive carpet
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: His only success was to get a valuable piece of Art out of the vaults and into his office. Has singularly failed SCC and the employees. One of the more invisible CX's we've had. Good riddance[/p][/quote]You forgot about his new rather expensive carpet Over the Edge

11:41am Fri 16 Nov 12

sfby says...

southy wrote:
Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.
This one could run and run.....

Tell us southy, whose friend was he?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.[/p][/quote]This one could run and run..... Tell us southy, whose friend was he? sfby

11:52am Fri 16 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.
Like with anything Southy.... you get what you pay for ! People that are qualified to the job get the wages to go along with it..... why would some want that position on 30K a year when they can get 100K+ in the private sector for a similar role ?

It's no wonder no-one takes you seriously anymore ! well I say anymore as I am not too sure anyone every did anyway.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.[/p][/quote]Like with anything Southy.... you get what you pay for ! People that are qualified to the job get the wages to go along with it..... why would some want that position on 30K a year when they can get 100K+ in the private sector for a similar role ? It's no wonder no-one takes you seriously anymore ! well I say anymore as I am not too sure anyone every did anyway. Cyber__Fug

11:56am Fri 16 Nov 12

southy says...

sfby wrote:
southy wrote:
Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.
This one could run and run.....

Tell us southy, whose friend was he?
Don't you remember what the echo printed just before he came to Southampton
[quote][p][bold]sfby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.[/p][/quote]This one could run and run..... Tell us southy, whose friend was he?[/p][/quote]Don't you remember what the echo printed just before he came to Southampton southy

12:02pm Fri 16 Nov 12

George4th says...

Bit of a coincidence that he is leaving after Labour took over?!
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However, that is not surprising given the continuing disasters he is having to contend with from the ruling Labour Council.
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Royston Smith and Alistair Neill are heroes for their bravery onboard HMS Astute. Tthe City of Southampton should mark Alistair Neill's leaving with a special presentation marking his heroic act.
Bit of a coincidence that he is leaving after Labour took over?! > However, that is not surprising given the continuing disasters he is having to contend with from the ruling Labour Council. > > Royston Smith and Alistair Neill are heroes for their bravery onboard HMS Astute. Tthe City of Southampton should mark Alistair Neill's leaving with a special presentation marking his heroic act. George4th

12:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.
Like with anything Southy.... you get what you pay for ! People that are qualified to the job get the wages to go along with it..... why would some want that position on 30K a year when they can get 100K+ in the private sector for a similar role ?

It's no wonder no-one takes you seriously anymore ! well I say anymore as I am not too sure anyone every did anyway.
Just because they demand a high pay do not mean you get the best, often the best will do jobs like this on a normal working class wage, because they love that job and want to do it, where as you offer or high paid jobs like this, its not the love of the job or the enjoyment of doing the job, its more of a case of greed for money and power.
So yes your right you will get what you pay for, people who can not really do the job, but have the greed for money and power.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.[/p][/quote]Like with anything Southy.... you get what you pay for ! People that are qualified to the job get the wages to go along with it..... why would some want that position on 30K a year when they can get 100K+ in the private sector for a similar role ? It's no wonder no-one takes you seriously anymore ! well I say anymore as I am not too sure anyone every did anyway.[/p][/quote]Just because they demand a high pay do not mean you get the best, often the best will do jobs like this on a normal working class wage, because they love that job and want to do it, where as you offer or high paid jobs like this, its not the love of the job or the enjoyment of doing the job, its more of a case of greed for money and power. So yes your right you will get what you pay for, people who can not really do the job, but have the greed for money and power. southy

12:28pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

How many jobs would £165,000 a year save?
How many jobs would £165,000 a year save? loosehead

12:31pm Fri 16 Nov 12

peenut81 says...

Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage. peenut81

12:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
How many jobs would £165,000 a year save?
About 8 jobs saved
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: How many jobs would £165,000 a year save?[/p][/quote]About 8 jobs saved southy

12:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

George4th says...

peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
What do you say, for example about the I.T. Computer Contractors who earn anything from £1500 per week to £5000 per week? Or the Union Bosses who earn in excess of £100,000 per year together with inflated Pensions, special allowances etc etc. Or the clever Plumbers and Electricians who can bring in £100,000+ a year? Anyone with a skill that is in demand will be paid the market rate - the market drives the rate. You may not accept it but there are a lot of people out there across many jobs who earn well over the average wage. In theory, and usually in practice, the best people work their way to the top and get the reward for doing so.
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If you invest in yourself through education or training together with hard work then you can expect to earn more - the choice is yours.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]What do you say, for example about the I.T. Computer Contractors who earn anything from £1500 per week to £5000 per week? Or the Union Bosses who earn in excess of £100,000 per year together with inflated Pensions, special allowances etc etc. Or the clever Plumbers and Electricians who can bring in £100,000+ a year? Anyone with a skill that is in demand will be paid the market rate - the market drives the rate. You may not accept it but there are a lot of people out there across many jobs who earn well over the average wage. In theory, and usually in practice, the best people work their way to the top and get the reward for doing so. > If you invest in yourself through education or training together with hard work then you can expect to earn more - the choice is yours. George4th

12:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

On the inside says...

This man has simply used Souithampton for his own ends. He has never moved home from his house in Abergavenny and never intended to. He was using Southampton as a stepping stone whilst he waited for a nice little earner to come up nearer to home.

Incidentially, I have no time for Royston Smith's politics, but he was the hero on that sub Neil joined in when the job was done.
This man has simply used Souithampton for his own ends. He has never moved home from his house in Abergavenny and never intended to. He was using Southampton as a stepping stone whilst he waited for a nice little earner to come up nearer to home. Incidentially, I have no time for Royston Smith's politics, but he was the hero on that sub Neil joined in when the job was done. On the inside

12:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

southy says...

peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
Not just the financial services industry, Councillors, MP's and Lords in government all are there now just for the greed of money and power, (professional Politicians) we had 100 times better councillors when they use to the job for nothing, and only claimed for bus fares, or taxis if finished very late after the bus service stop for the night.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]Not just the financial services industry, Councillors, MP's and Lords in government all are there now just for the greed of money and power, (professional Politicians) we had 100 times better councillors when they use to the job for nothing, and only claimed for bus fares, or taxis if finished very late after the bus service stop for the night. southy

1:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Rockhopper says...

Brad Roynon retired early because he didn't want to deal with the cuts and now Alistair Neill has had enough.
Lets face it SCC is in a mess due to years of mis-management.
A shared appointment with another Local Authority seems to be the way to go and has been successful in other areas.
Just make sure you don't go anywhere near Hampshire CC eg. Ken Thornber etc...
Brad Roynon retired early because he didn't want to deal with the cuts and now Alistair Neill has had enough. Lets face it SCC is in a mess due to years of mis-management. A shared appointment with another Local Authority seems to be the way to go and has been successful in other areas. Just make sure you don't go anywhere near Hampshire CC eg. Ken Thornber etc... Rockhopper

1:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Shoong says...

peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
Yes, let's curse anyone who has worked hard to get where they are, they are obviously demons who need to be brought down a peg or two.

Of course, it only makes sense that someone who empties bins for a living, as much as that service is needed, is paid the same as a brain surgeon who probably saves lives on a daily basis, has £1000's of debt from funding an education to get where they are.

Shame on them, shame on us for letting them get away with it. I mean, who do they think they are?

38 Trade Union general secretaries and chief executives received remuneration of more than £100,000 in 2010-11 (37 in 2009-10).

I'm guessing you don't have the same contempt for them.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]Yes, let's curse anyone who has worked hard to get where they are, they are obviously demons who need to be brought down a peg or two. Of course, it only makes sense that someone who empties bins for a living, as much as that service is needed, is paid the same as a brain surgeon who probably saves lives on a daily basis, has £1000's of debt from funding an education to get where they are. Shame on them, shame on us for letting them get away with it. I mean, who do they think they are? 38 Trade Union general secretaries and chief executives received remuneration of more than £100,000 in 2010-11 (37 in 2009-10). I'm guessing you don't have the same contempt for them. Shoong

1:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Ben Durutti says...

Neill's days at SCC were always numbered after Royston was booted out in May. Was always seen as a Tory boy and implemented the cuts with just a little too much relish.
Neill's days at SCC were always numbered after Royston was booted out in May. Was always seen as a Tory boy and implemented the cuts with just a little too much relish. Ben Durutti

1:30pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

@ shoong bin man gettign paid as much as brain surgeon no, as much as an mp ? maybe.
@ shoong bin man gettign paid as much as brain surgeon no, as much as an mp ? maybe. Subject48

1:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12

southy says...

Subject48 wrote:
@ shoong bin man gettign paid as much as brain surgeon no, as much as an mp ? maybe.
Or even some Councillors like Royston Smith and what he earns just for being the Council
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: @ shoong bin man gettign paid as much as brain surgeon no, as much as an mp ? maybe.[/p][/quote]Or even some Councillors like Royston Smith and what he earns just for being the Council southy

1:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Shoong says...

peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
In 2010 /11:-

Derek Simpson Unite the Union
£510,659

Dave Prentis Unison £131,496

Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing)

Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174

Christine Blower NUT £116,836

Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354

Yep, in this case I totally agree:

'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'.

Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]In 2010 /11:- Derek Simpson Unite the Union £510,659 Dave Prentis Unison £131,496 Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing) Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174 Christine Blower NUT £116,836 Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354 Yep, in this case I totally agree: 'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'. Spot on. Shoong

2:12pm Fri 16 Nov 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
In 2010 /11:-

Derek Simpson Unite the Union
£510,659

Dave Prentis Unison £131,496

Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing)

Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174

Christine Blower NUT £116,836

Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354

Yep, in this case I totally agree:

'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'.

Spot on.
Correction
Incluses all cost that they have to pay for to be claimed, plus Crow do not live in Social Housing, he privately rents a disused farm house and nor do he reseives a penny from the Union any more as his job is now done by some one else, for him and his family, Matt Wack earns £ 46,500 plus expenses And I know that one for sure, I know the guy personally.
Unions vote on what there leaders should get paid, so its down to the Union members to decide on what there leardership is worth, These Union people wages do not effect a economy down turn.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]In 2010 /11:- Derek Simpson Unite the Union £510,659 Dave Prentis Unison £131,496 Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing) Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174 Christine Blower NUT £116,836 Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354 Yep, in this case I totally agree: 'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'. Spot on.[/p][/quote]Correction Incluses all cost that they have to pay for to be claimed, plus Crow do not live in Social Housing, he privately rents a disused farm house and nor do he reseives a penny from the Union any more as his job is now done by some one else, for him and his family, Matt Wack earns £ 46,500 plus expenses And I know that one for sure, I know the guy personally. Unions vote on what there leaders should get paid, so its down to the Union members to decide on what there leardership is worth, These Union people wages do not effect a economy down turn. southy

2:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12

4-front says...

Good move Alistair out of the heat in the kitchen. Wonder if Michael Mates, poor guy, will apply for the vacancy - its £80K more than the PCC position!

I can't see parochial Southampton sharing a CEO with another local authority regrettably. Usual path ahead: find a CEO with an MBA, no public service experience or empathy but instead no conscience and a sharpened axe!

Hey,ho!
Good move Alistair out of the heat in the kitchen. Wonder if Michael Mates, poor guy, will apply for the vacancy - its £80K more than the PCC position! I can't see parochial Southampton sharing a CEO with another local authority regrettably. Usual path ahead: find a CEO with an MBA, no public service experience or empathy but instead no conscience and a sharpened axe! Hey,ho! 4-front

2:19pm Fri 16 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Well said Shoong
Well said Shoong aldermoorboy

2:23pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
In 2010 /11:-

Derek Simpson Unite the Union
£510,659

Dave Prentis Unison £131,496

Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing)

Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174

Christine Blower NUT £116,836

Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354

Yep, in this case I totally agree:

'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'.

Spot on.
Correction
Incluses all cost that they have to pay for to be claimed, plus Crow do not live in Social Housing, he privately rents a disused farm house and nor do he reseives a penny from the Union any more as his job is now done by some one else, for him and his family, Matt Wack earns £ 46,500 plus expenses And I know that one for sure, I know the guy personally.
Unions vote on what there leaders should get paid, so its down to the Union members to decide on what there leardership is worth, These Union people wages do not effect a economy down turn.
Yes Peter, because he's going to tell you he earns over £100K a year!

Just because you feel you deserve something for nothing and haven't made the most of your life, that isn't a justifiable reason in trying to bring everyone down to your level.
The politics (I use that term loosely) of envy and failure.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]In 2010 /11:- Derek Simpson Unite the Union £510,659 Dave Prentis Unison £131,496 Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing) Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174 Christine Blower NUT £116,836 Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354 Yep, in this case I totally agree: 'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'. Spot on.[/p][/quote]Correction Incluses all cost that they have to pay for to be claimed, plus Crow do not live in Social Housing, he privately rents a disused farm house and nor do he reseives a penny from the Union any more as his job is now done by some one else, for him and his family, Matt Wack earns £ 46,500 plus expenses And I know that one for sure, I know the guy personally. Unions vote on what there leaders should get paid, so its down to the Union members to decide on what there leardership is worth, These Union people wages do not effect a economy down turn.[/p][/quote]Yes Peter, because he's going to tell you he earns over £100K a year! Just because you feel you deserve something for nothing and haven't made the most of your life, that isn't a justifiable reason in trying to bring everyone down to your level. The politics (I use that term loosely) of envy and failure. Shoong

2:38pm Fri 16 Nov 12

sfby says...

southy wrote:
sfby wrote:
southy wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.
This one could run and run..... Tell us southy, whose friend was he?
Don't you remember what the echo printed just before he came to Southampton
No - I have a memory like a seive - please tell me what the Echo said.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sfby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.[/p][/quote]This one could run and run..... Tell us southy, whose friend was he?[/p][/quote]Don't you remember what the echo printed just before he came to Southampton[/p][/quote]No - I have a memory like a seive - please tell me what the Echo said. sfby

2:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12

FoysCornerBoy says...

Shoong wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
In 2010 /11:-

Derek Simpson Unite the Union
£510,659

Dave Prentis Unison £131,496

Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing)

Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174

Christine Blower NUT £116,836

Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354

Yep, in this case I totally agree:

'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'.

Spot on.
And which union do you belong to? I think its down to union members who pay their subscription fees to decide how much their representatives should be paid.

I recently cancelled my insurance policy with Liverpool Victoria 'mutual' when I discovered how much the Managing Director was being paid (£1 million + p.a.) and how my 'vote' could do nothing to change things.

I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]In 2010 /11:- Derek Simpson Unite the Union £510,659 Dave Prentis Unison £131,496 Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing) Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174 Christine Blower NUT £116,836 Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354 Yep, in this case I totally agree: 'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'. Spot on.[/p][/quote]And which union do you belong to? I think its down to union members who pay their subscription fees to decide how much their representatives should be paid. I recently cancelled my insurance policy with Liverpool Victoria 'mutual' when I discovered how much the Managing Director was being paid (£1 million + p.a.) and how my 'vote' could do nothing to change things. I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs. FoysCornerBoy

2:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12

FoysCornerBoy says...

Shoong wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
In 2010 /11:-

Derek Simpson Unite the Union
£510,659

Dave Prentis Unison £131,496

Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing)

Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174

Christine Blower NUT £116,836

Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354

Yep, in this case I totally agree:

'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'.

Spot on.
And which union do you belong to? I think its down to union members who pay their subscription fees to decide how much their representatives should be paid.

I recently cancelled my insurance policy with Liverpool Victoria 'mutual' when I discovered how much the Managing Director was being paid (£1 million + p.a.) and how my 'vote' could do nothing to change things.

I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]In 2010 /11:- Derek Simpson Unite the Union £510,659 Dave Prentis Unison £131,496 Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing) Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174 Christine Blower NUT £116,836 Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354 Yep, in this case I totally agree: 'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'. Spot on.[/p][/quote]And which union do you belong to? I think its down to union members who pay their subscription fees to decide how much their representatives should be paid. I recently cancelled my insurance policy with Liverpool Victoria 'mutual' when I discovered how much the Managing Director was being paid (£1 million + p.a.) and how my 'vote' could do nothing to change things. I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs. FoysCornerBoy

3:05pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

shoong, if police officers, nurses and bin men went on strike tomorow nationaly. The country would drown in its own filth and slide into anarchy. If you had overheads,mp and councilors go on strike. what would happen ? nothing. Someone else would step up and do the job for less.
shoong, if police officers, nurses and bin men went on strike tomorow nationaly. The country would drown in its own filth and slide into anarchy. If you had overheads,mp and councilors go on strike. what would happen ? nothing. Someone else would step up and do the job for less. Subject48

3:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

All I was trying to say is if they can cover this job with out hiring some one else it could stop a few of the redundancies.
If it's a specialist job then I understand you have to pay to get the best.
I'm not interested in politics as he was never voted into this job & I don't know enough about this job to say if it's a position we could do away with I was asking the Question can several people already paid by the council cover this job & could it save jobs?
All I was trying to say is if they can cover this job with out hiring some one else it could stop a few of the redundancies. If it's a specialist job then I understand you have to pay to get the best. I'm not interested in politics as he was never voted into this job & I don't know enough about this job to say if it's a position we could do away with I was asking the Question can several people already paid by the council cover this job & could it save jobs? loosehead

3:17pm Fri 16 Nov 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
In 2010 /11:-

Derek Simpson Unite the Union
£510,659

Dave Prentis Unison £131,496

Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing)

Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174

Christine Blower NUT £116,836

Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354

Yep, in this case I totally agree:

'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'.

Spot on.
Correction
Incluses all cost that they have to pay for to be claimed, plus Crow do not live in Social Housing, he privately rents a disused farm house and nor do he reseives a penny from the Union any more as his job is now done by some one else, for him and his family, Matt Wack earns £ 46,500 plus expenses And I know that one for sure, I know the guy personally.
Unions vote on what there leaders should get paid, so its down to the Union members to decide on what there leardership is worth, These Union people wages do not effect a economy down turn.
Yes Peter, because he's going to tell you he earns over £100K a year!

Just because you feel you deserve something for nothing and haven't made the most of your life, that isn't a justifiable reason in trying to bring everyone down to your level.
The politics (I use that term loosely) of envy and failure.
If you want the truth on what they earn, then you need to go to Union house, where all the wages can be seen out of the accounts books, and it is nothing like your saying, and to get the real facts on what they earn you will need to go there, its not publish on the internet, and you can see also the full amount of tax is paid also, unlike the bosses who some earn well over £1 milliom a year, and get away with paying 20% tax or less.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]In 2010 /11:- Derek Simpson Unite the Union £510,659 Dave Prentis Unison £131,496 Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing) Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174 Christine Blower NUT £116,836 Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354 Yep, in this case I totally agree: 'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'. Spot on.[/p][/quote]Correction Incluses all cost that they have to pay for to be claimed, plus Crow do not live in Social Housing, he privately rents a disused farm house and nor do he reseives a penny from the Union any more as his job is now done by some one else, for him and his family, Matt Wack earns £ 46,500 plus expenses And I know that one for sure, I know the guy personally. Unions vote on what there leaders should get paid, so its down to the Union members to decide on what there leardership is worth, These Union people wages do not effect a economy down turn.[/p][/quote]Yes Peter, because he's going to tell you he earns over £100K a year! Just because you feel you deserve something for nothing and haven't made the most of your life, that isn't a justifiable reason in trying to bring everyone down to your level. The politics (I use that term loosely) of envy and failure.[/p][/quote]If you want the truth on what they earn, then you need to go to Union house, where all the wages can be seen out of the accounts books, and it is nothing like your saying, and to get the real facts on what they earn you will need to go there, its not publish on the internet, and you can see also the full amount of tax is paid also, unlike the bosses who some earn well over £1 milliom a year, and get away with paying 20% tax or less. southy

3:20pm Fri 16 Nov 12

southy says...

sfby wrote:
southy wrote:
sfby wrote:
southy wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.
This one could run and run..... Tell us southy, whose friend was he?
Don't you remember what the echo printed just before he came to Southampton
No - I have a memory like a seive - please tell me what the Echo said.
Leader of the Tory Party is a friend, they have known each other for a fair number of years.
[quote][p][bold]sfby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sfby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.[/p][/quote]This one could run and run..... Tell us southy, whose friend was he?[/p][/quote]Don't you remember what the echo printed just before he came to Southampton[/p][/quote]No - I have a memory like a seive - please tell me what the Echo said.[/p][/quote]Leader of the Tory Party is a friend, they have known each other for a fair number of years. southy

3:26pm Fri 16 Nov 12

George4th says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
In 2010 /11:-

Derek Simpson Unite the Union
£510,659

Dave Prentis Unison £131,496

Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing)

Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174

Christine Blower NUT £116,836

Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354

Yep, in this case I totally agree:

'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'.

Spot on.
And which union do you belong to? I think its down to union members who pay their subscription fees to decide how much their representatives should be paid.

I recently cancelled my insurance policy with Liverpool Victoria 'mutual' when I discovered how much the Managing Director was being paid (£1 million + p.a.) and how my 'vote' could do nothing to change things.

I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs.
"I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs"

So, you want someone running Southampton Council who is earning less than many a Plumber, Electrician, Air Conditioning Engineer, Computer Contractor, Management Consultant, all of whom work for themselves?!
Pray tell me, where do you draw the line?
>
You cannot avoid the market dictating pay - in most cases people get what they deserve according to the market.
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]In 2010 /11:- Derek Simpson Unite the Union £510,659 Dave Prentis Unison £131,496 Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing) Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174 Christine Blower NUT £116,836 Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354 Yep, in this case I totally agree: 'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'. Spot on.[/p][/quote]And which union do you belong to? I think its down to union members who pay their subscription fees to decide how much their representatives should be paid. I recently cancelled my insurance policy with Liverpool Victoria 'mutual' when I discovered how much the Managing Director was being paid (£1 million + p.a.) and how my 'vote' could do nothing to change things. I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs.[/p][/quote]"I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs" So, you want someone running Southampton Council who is earning less than many a Plumber, Electrician, Air Conditioning Engineer, Computer Contractor, Management Consultant, all of whom work for themselves?! Pray tell me, where do you draw the line? > You cannot avoid the market dictating pay - in most cases people get what they deserve according to the market. George4th

3:50pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

Loosehead. Im afraid on this occasion when faced with a logical issue that beats up your believes, you turn into southy... you have not commented on my hypothesis or came up with a counter argument.

But thats ok. You are only human and I still think you are an inteligent guy looking at your posts.

Any believe based system, be that based in religion or politics is very dangerous. Belief overcomes logic.
Loosehead. Im afraid on this occasion when faced with a logical issue that beats up your believes, you turn into southy... you have not commented on my hypothesis or came up with a counter argument. But thats ok. You are only human and I still think you are an inteligent guy looking at your posts. Any believe based system, be that based in religion or politics is very dangerous. Belief overcomes logic. Subject48

3:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

sfby says...

southy wrote:
sfby wrote:
southy wrote:
sfby wrote:
southy wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.
This one could run and run..... Tell us southy, whose friend was he?
Don't you remember what the echo printed just before he came to Southampton
No - I have a memory like a seive - please tell me what the Echo said.
Leader of the Tory Party is a friend, they have known each other for a fair number of years.
Blimey - Alistair Neill's a friend of David Cameron? Friends in high places indeed!!

Actually, I happen to know (though I won't / can't tell you how I know - Official Secrets and all that) - that Alistair was personally recruited by the head of MI5 in order to halt the inexorable rise to power of the TUSC in Southampton. His work here is done....
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sfby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sfby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.[/p][/quote]This one could run and run..... Tell us southy, whose friend was he?[/p][/quote]Don't you remember what the echo printed just before he came to Southampton[/p][/quote]No - I have a memory like a seive - please tell me what the Echo said.[/p][/quote]Leader of the Tory Party is a friend, they have known each other for a fair number of years.[/p][/quote]Blimey - Alistair Neill's a friend of David Cameron? Friends in high places indeed!! Actually, I happen to know (though I won't / can't tell you how I know - Official Secrets and all that) - that Alistair was personally recruited by the head of MI5 in order to halt the inexorable rise to power of the TUSC in Southampton. His work here is done.... sfby

5:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

I wonder what the CX actually does?
I wonder what the CX actually does? nedscrumpo

5:26pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Independent Thought says...

nedscrumpo wrote:
I wonder what the CX actually does?
Well study hard, work hard and you might one day get promoted to the position of CX?

Look at Alistair Neill's track record, see Echo article http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/news/8256741.
Former_BP_director_t
akes_over_at_council
/

and you will notice that it was hard work that got him to the top.
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: I wonder what the CX actually does?[/p][/quote]Well study hard, work hard and you might one day get promoted to the position of CX? Look at Alistair Neill's track record, see Echo article http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/news/8256741. Former_BP_director_t akes_over_at_council / and you will notice that it was hard work that got him to the top. Independent Thought

5:37pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Subject48 wrote:
Loosehead. Im afraid on this occasion when faced with a logical issue that beats up your believes, you turn into southy... you have not commented on my hypothesis or came up with a counter argument.

But thats ok. You are only human and I still think you are an inteligent guy looking at your posts.

Any believe based system, be that based in religion or politics is very dangerous. Belief overcomes logic.
Subject48 .....I really must take you task on this post of yours.
.
Only Southy turns into Southy.
.
Your second paragraph about looserhead being human and intelligent .. is pushing the bounds of exageration and gross misrepresentation far too far.
.
I suggest that you retract your second paragraph forwith or offer an unconditional aplogy to all other posters
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: Loosehead. Im afraid on this occasion when faced with a logical issue that beats up your believes, you turn into southy... you have not commented on my hypothesis or came up with a counter argument. But thats ok. You are only human and I still think you are an inteligent guy looking at your posts. Any believe based system, be that based in religion or politics is very dangerous. Belief overcomes logic.[/p][/quote]Subject48 .....I really must take you task on this post of yours. . Only Southy turns into Southy. . Your second paragraph about looserhead being human and intelligent .. is pushing the bounds of exageration and gross misrepresentation far too far. . I suggest that you retract your second paragraph forwith or offer an unconditional aplogy to all other posters Lone Ranger.

6:25pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Subject48 wrote:
Loosehead. Im afraid on this occasion when faced with a logical issue that beats up your believes, you turn into southy... you have not commented on my hypothesis or came up with a counter argument.

But thats ok. You are only human and I still think you are an inteligent guy looking at your posts.

Any believe based system, be that based in religion or politics is very dangerous. Belief overcomes logic.
Subject48 .....I really must take you task on this post of yours.
.
Only Southy turns into Southy.
.
Your second paragraph about looserhead being human and intelligent .. is pushing the bounds of exageration and gross misrepresentation far too far.
.
I suggest that you retract your second paragraph forwith or offer an unconditional aplogy to all other posters
I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself or are you such a loud mouth you just can't keep it shut?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: Loosehead. Im afraid on this occasion when faced with a logical issue that beats up your believes, you turn into southy... you have not commented on my hypothesis or came up with a counter argument. But thats ok. You are only human and I still think you are an inteligent guy looking at your posts. Any believe based system, be that based in religion or politics is very dangerous. Belief overcomes logic.[/p][/quote]Subject48 .....I really must take you task on this post of yours. . Only Southy turns into Southy. . Your second paragraph about looserhead being human and intelligent .. is pushing the bounds of exageration and gross misrepresentation far too far. . I suggest that you retract your second paragraph forwith or offer an unconditional aplogy to all other posters[/p][/quote]I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself or are you such a loud mouth you just can't keep it shut? loosehead

6:33pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Subject48 wrote:
shoong, if police officers, nurses and bin men went on strike tomorow nationaly. The country would drown in its own filth and slide into anarchy. If you had overheads,mp and councilors go on strike. what would happen ? nothing. Someone else would step up and do the job for less.
I hope you mean this comment?
on two of them I'd agree with you.
Police Officers & nurses but not with Bin men.Only the drivers who have to have an HGV licence would either take time or be hard to replace.
I've worked with M/C that does exactly the same as the bin emptier so with out knocking the Refuse collectors they could be replaced.
As for MP's unless we had an election no one in our democracy could just walk in & do their jobs.
I also believe they can't strike can they?
As for Councillors yes your dead right look at Liverpool where the Labour Government abolished the then run Labour council & took over the running of that council?
Thank you for giving me some credit I did n't realise this was aimed at me but I hope my response was okay?
[quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: shoong, if police officers, nurses and bin men went on strike tomorow nationaly. The country would drown in its own filth and slide into anarchy. If you had overheads,mp and councilors go on strike. what would happen ? nothing. Someone else would step up and do the job for less.[/p][/quote]I hope you mean this comment? on two of them I'd agree with you. Police Officers & nurses but not with Bin men.Only the drivers who have to have an HGV licence would either take time or be hard to replace. I've worked with M/C that does exactly the same as the bin emptier so with out knocking the Refuse collectors they could be replaced. As for MP's unless we had an election no one in our democracy could just walk in & do their jobs. I also believe they can't strike can they? As for Councillors yes your dead right look at Liverpool where the Labour Government abolished the then run Labour council & took over the running of that council? Thank you for giving me some credit I did n't realise this was aimed at me but I hope my response was okay? loosehead

6:49pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Subject48 wrote:
Loosehead. Im afraid on this occasion when faced with a logical issue that beats up your believes, you turn into southy... you have not commented on my hypothesis or came up with a counter argument.

But thats ok. You are only human and I still think you are an inteligent guy looking at your posts.

Any believe based system, be that based in religion or politics is very dangerous. Belief overcomes logic.
Subject48 .....I really must take you task on this post of yours.
.
Only Southy turns into Southy.
.
Your second paragraph about looserhead being human and intelligent .. is pushing the bounds of exageration and gross misrepresentation far too far.
.
I suggest that you retract your second paragraph forwith or offer an unconditional aplogy to all other posters
I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself or are you such a loud mouth you just can't keep it shut?
Thats the idea of the forum ......... To post your opinions
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Subject48[/bold] wrote: Loosehead. Im afraid on this occasion when faced with a logical issue that beats up your believes, you turn into southy... you have not commented on my hypothesis or came up with a counter argument. But thats ok. You are only human and I still think you are an inteligent guy looking at your posts. Any believe based system, be that based in religion or politics is very dangerous. Belief overcomes logic.[/p][/quote]Subject48 .....I really must take you task on this post of yours. . Only Southy turns into Southy. . Your second paragraph about looserhead being human and intelligent .. is pushing the bounds of exageration and gross misrepresentation far too far. . I suggest that you retract your second paragraph forwith or offer an unconditional aplogy to all other posters[/p][/quote]I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself or are you such a loud mouth you just can't keep it shut?[/p][/quote]Thats the idea of the forum ......... To post your opinions Lone Ranger.

7:52pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

Can someone please let me know how many days a week the CX travelled from Welsh Wales to work in Southampton. Going by the sheep posting on this site I'm surprised he has given the job up.
Can someone please let me know how many days a week the CX travelled from Welsh Wales to work in Southampton. Going by the sheep posting on this site I'm surprised he has given the job up. Inform Al

8:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry.
Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.
In 2010 /11:-

Derek Simpson Unite the Union
£510,659

Dave Prentis Unison £131,496

Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing)

Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174

Christine Blower NUT £116,836

Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354

Yep, in this case I totally agree:

'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'.

Spot on.
And which union do you belong to? I think its down to union members who pay their subscription fees to decide how much their representatives should be paid.

I recently cancelled my insurance policy with Liverpool Victoria 'mutual' when I discovered how much the Managing Director was being paid (£1 million + p.a.) and how my 'vote' could do nothing to change things.

I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs.
Aren't you the idiot then !!
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: Southy is right here, people who think they are worth £100,000+ salaries are the problem, there arroganc and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees, look at the city where a load of aggressive, sociopathic cocaine riddled idiots run the financial services industry. Few jobs in this country should justify such a % over the average wage.[/p][/quote]In 2010 /11:- Derek Simpson Unite the Union £510,659 Dave Prentis Unison £131,496 Bob Crow RMT £123,833 (still lives in social housing) Matt Wrack Fire Brigades Union £120,174 Christine Blower NUT £116,836 Mark Serwotka PCSU £113,354 Yep, in this case I totally agree: 'there arrogance and sense of self entitlement is what is bringing this country to its knees'. Spot on.[/p][/quote]And which union do you belong to? I think its down to union members who pay their subscription fees to decide how much their representatives should be paid. I recently cancelled my insurance policy with Liverpool Victoria 'mutual' when I discovered how much the Managing Director was being paid (£1 million + p.a.) and how my 'vote' could do nothing to change things. I'm confident that Southampton City Council could attract a suitably qualified local (sic) chief executive officer at little more than the salary we pay our MPs.[/p][/quote]Aren't you the idiot then !! andysaints007

9:18pm Fri 16 Nov 12

good-gosh says...

CXs are extraordinary people and don’t fall out of trees. They are management controllers. They know everything and everybody in their business and use the knowledge to control everything. They have loyal staff lieutenants in every section – not to snoop but to check and report on everything going on everywhere. There is no secret about these informers, they are the supervisors, specialists and progress chasers that we all have around us. There could be hundreds of them – all with their own essential tasks but with special access to the CX at any time. It takes 1/2 a year to set up this web of trusted people and it's done with un-patronising charm and encouragement that is natural to leaders. Reports are exact and regular, and the comments are methodically collated on planning charts of everything that should be done, tomorrow, this week, this month and this year. The charts throw up every anomaly in need of a fix and department heads are dispatched to fix them. Have-a-go-Joe has got no chance of doing the job, no matter how smart and determined he might be.
CXs are extraordinary people and don’t fall out of trees. They are management controllers. They know everything and everybody in their business and use the knowledge to control everything. They have loyal staff lieutenants in every section – not to snoop but to check and report on everything going on everywhere. There is no secret about these informers, they are the supervisors, specialists and progress chasers that we all have around us. There could be hundreds of them – all with their own essential tasks but with special access to the CX at any time. It takes 1/2 a year to set up this web of trusted people and it's done with un-patronising charm and encouragement that is natural to leaders. Reports are exact and regular, and the comments are methodically collated on planning charts of everything that should be done, tomorrow, this week, this month and this year. The charts throw up every anomaly in need of a fix and department heads are dispatched to fix them. Have-a-go-Joe has got no chance of doing the job, no matter how smart and determined he might be. good-gosh

11:01pm Fri 16 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

Less 45% tax more like 1400 a week, not a lot really for the big cheese.
Less 45% tax more like 1400 a week, not a lot really for the big cheese. bigfella777

12:22am Sat 17 Nov 12

lisa whitemore says...

Independent Thought wrote:
Before all the 'gloom and doom' merchants come on here, I would like to congratulate Alistair on his new appointment.

Really nice bloke who undertook a very challenging job at Southampton with the seismic budget reductions facing the council. A real professional.
or he doesnt agree with whats going on behind closed doors!!
[quote][p][bold]Independent Thought[/bold] wrote: Before all the 'gloom and doom' merchants come on here, I would like to congratulate Alistair on his new appointment. Really nice bloke who undertook a very challenging job at Southampton with the seismic budget reductions facing the council. A real professional.[/p][/quote]or he doesnt agree with whats going on behind closed doors!! lisa whitemore

7:37am Sat 17 Nov 12

loosehead says...

lisa whitemore wrote:
Independent Thought wrote:
Before all the 'gloom and doom' merchants come on here, I would like to congratulate Alistair on his new appointment.

Really nice bloke who undertook a very challenging job at Southampton with the seismic budget reductions facing the council. A real professional.
or he doesnt agree with whats going on behind closed doors!!
Lisa I get attacked all the time by certain left wing posters on here so can I ask you to look back in reflection at the Tory councils approach to saving money whilst trying to save jobs at the same time & what's now happening with todays council & the Unions approach to it?
I'd like to hear from a neutral as I'm told I'm a blinkered ( mild cuss) tory .
[quote][p][bold]lisa whitemore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Independent Thought[/bold] wrote: Before all the 'gloom and doom' merchants come on here, I would like to congratulate Alistair on his new appointment. Really nice bloke who undertook a very challenging job at Southampton with the seismic budget reductions facing the council. A real professional.[/p][/quote]or he doesnt agree with whats going on behind closed doors!![/p][/quote]Lisa I get attacked all the time by certain left wing posters on here so can I ask you to look back in reflection at the Tory councils approach to saving money whilst trying to save jobs at the same time & what's now happening with todays council & the Unions approach to it? I'd like to hear from a neutral as I'm told I'm a blinkered ( mild cuss) tory . loosehead

12:28pm Sat 17 Nov 12

peenut81 says...

George 4 i asked you before to stop parroting 'the market' at me.
As a theory its lovely, Adam Smith was bang on, however in reality as much as communism is flawed in reality so are liberal free markets.
Celebrities, politicians, CEO's, bankers, lawyers, footballers are not reflecting market rates, but rates manipulated and fixed behind closed doors with no method of market correction. CAPITALISM = MONOPOLY
George 4 i asked you before to stop parroting 'the market' at me. As a theory its lovely, Adam Smith was bang on, however in reality as much as communism is flawed in reality so are liberal free markets. Celebrities, politicians, CEO's, bankers, lawyers, footballers are not reflecting market rates, but rates manipulated and fixed behind closed doors with no method of market correction. CAPITALISM = MONOPOLY peenut81

1:12pm Sat 17 Nov 12

loosehead says...

peenut81 wrote:
George 4 i asked you before to stop parroting 'the market' at me.
As a theory its lovely, Adam Smith was bang on, however in reality as much as communism is flawed in reality so are liberal free markets.
Celebrities, politicians, CEO's, bankers, lawyers, footballers are not reflecting market rates, but rates manipulated and fixed behind closed doors with no method of market correction. CAPITALISM = MONOPOLY
Do you think the elite of the communist party are treated equally as the normal Chinese person?
In all societies there's the have it alls & theres have nothings It doesn't matter what system you have that's the Human way.
We have leaders & we have the poor at least in our society you can work your way up the ladder have you seen how much it costs a Chinese person to join the communist party?
if your not a member you've no chance of improving your lot do you remember Tianimen Square?
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: George 4 i asked you before to stop parroting 'the market' at me. As a theory its lovely, Adam Smith was bang on, however in reality as much as communism is flawed in reality so are liberal free markets. Celebrities, politicians, CEO's, bankers, lawyers, footballers are not reflecting market rates, but rates manipulated and fixed behind closed doors with no method of market correction. CAPITALISM = MONOPOLY[/p][/quote]Do you think the elite of the communist party are treated equally as the normal Chinese person? In all societies there's the have it alls & theres have nothings It doesn't matter what system you have that's the Human way. We have leaders & we have the poor at least in our society you can work your way up the ladder have you seen how much it costs a Chinese person to join the communist party? if your not a member you've no chance of improving your lot do you remember Tianimen Square? loosehead

9:07pm Sat 17 Nov 12

nerds1 says...

southy wrote:
Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.
I think you will find, if you did your research properly, that Alistair Neill was offered this job after years of working to get to the top, then gaining experience at his position and being the best man for the job.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Make sure the next one wage is only around the £30,000 mark, and give it to one of the council employees who's about to lose there job with in the council and not bring friend in from the out side, like how Alistair Neill was.[/p][/quote]I think you will find, if you did your research properly, that Alistair Neill was offered this job after years of working to get to the top, then gaining experience at his position and being the best man for the job. nerds1

9:08pm Sat 17 Nov 12

nerds1 says...

Over the Edge wrote:
nedscrumpo wrote:
His only success was to get a valuable piece of Art out of the vaults and into his office. Has singularly failed SCC and the employees. One of the more invisible CX's we've had. Good riddance
You forgot about his new rather expensive carpet
His only success? did you not hear about his outstanding show of bravery? only the start of the many positive things Mr Neill did for SCC
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: His only success was to get a valuable piece of Art out of the vaults and into his office. Has singularly failed SCC and the employees. One of the more invisible CX's we've had. Good riddance[/p][/quote]You forgot about his new rather expensive carpet[/p][/quote]His only success? did you not hear about his outstanding show of bravery? only the start of the many positive things Mr Neill did for SCC nerds1

9:11pm Sat 17 Nov 12

nerds1 says...

On the inside wrote:
This man has simply used Souithampton for his own ends. He has never moved home from his house in Abergavenny and never intended to. He was using Southampton as a stepping stone whilst he waited for a nice little earner to come up nearer to home.

Incidentially, I have no time for Royston Smith's politics, but he was the hero on that sub Neil joined in when the job was done.
I think you will find that they are both equally hero's however alistair neill did not pander after media attention
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: This man has simply used Souithampton for his own ends. He has never moved home from his house in Abergavenny and never intended to. He was using Southampton as a stepping stone whilst he waited for a nice little earner to come up nearer to home. Incidentially, I have no time for Royston Smith's politics, but he was the hero on that sub Neil joined in when the job was done.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that they are both equally hero's however alistair neill did not pander after media attention nerds1

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