Pensioners face £300 bill due to Southampton City Council cuts

Daily Echo: Pensioners face £300 bill due to council cuts Pensioners face £300 bill due to council cuts

PENSIONERS could have to pay up to £300 more under Labour plans to slash the Southampton council’s budget by nearly £20m next year, the Daily Echo can reveal.

The city’s elderly residents will be hit in the pocket with a series of tax hikes, new charges and service cuts to tackle the city’s worst ever financial crisis. A record cull of up to 327 staff is also planned.

The biggest financial blow will be the loss of a controversial ten per cent council tax discount brought in by the previous Tory administration, claimed by 8,250 pensioner households.

Coupled with a planned two per cent tax rise next year, over 65 households will be billed at least £100 more, rising to £248 for pensioners in larger houses.

Many pensioners will also be hit with new £44 charge for garden waste collections, a new £30 charge for a resident’s parking permit and hikes in other parking charges.

There are also five per cent increases in charges for burials and cremations which officers said would make it difficult for the elderly to fund funeral arrangements.

Some elderly residents may also have to pay more for home care visits under a new charging policy.

Officers warned councillors the rising costs could “impact negatively on their health and well-being”.

Budget impact assessments prepared by council officers warn that £405,000 of cuts to bus services, such as the Bluestar P1 route from the city centre to Glen Eyre , which is popular with pensioners, could lead to “social isolation” along with the merger of two mobile library services and the axing of a Saturday service to save another £197,000.

Those most affected by the cuts will be elderly couples living in their own homes, single elderly people who rely on public transport, and poorer elderly couples in council flats nearing retirement, according to council analysis.

Age Concern Hampshire chairman Rick Smith said: “It is a horrible place to be right now. We all know what it is going to mean.

“I shudder to think what position it will put some people in – my heart goes out to them.”

Reg Taylor, chairman of the Itchen Estate Tenants’ and Residents’ Association, and a pensioner himself, said there were many older people on the estate who claimed the tax discount. He said: “I personally feel it’s going to cause a lot of hardship, quite seriously.”

He also said the rising cost in burial fees would also take a toll.

“Pretty soon the situation will arise when we will not be able to afford to die,” he said.

Pam Matthews, chairman of Blackbush, Pembrey and Wittering Road Tenants’ and Residents’ Association, said the loss of the council tax discount would hurt many senior citizens in her neighbourhood.

She said: “It is not a rich area and it would make a whole lot of difference to people.

Losing that amount will be worrying to some.”

The council is also seeking to end a £19,000 payment to Age Concern Southampton towards an advice service that helps the elderly apply for benefits. It held more than 650 face-to-face meetings last year.

Tory opposition leader Cllr Royston Smith called the budget a “pernicious” attack on elderly residents.

He said: “Labour have gone after the older population. It’s a budget that is clearly designed to hit the eldest hardest. They’re taking everything the elderly have got in one fell swoop.”

About 9,500 over-65s in the city do not get the pensioner discount because they claim council tax benefit.

Labour and trade unions have attacked the discount as a giveaway to the rich but pensioners’ groups say many who claim it are on low fixed incomes.

Council finance boss Cllr Simon Letts said pensioners and young people were always more affected by budget cuts than other groups as they were more reliant on council services.

He denied pensioners had been singled out, adding charges for evening and district centre parking, residents’ permits and garden waste had already been brought in by other councils, and were not unfairly levied on the elderly.

He added the ten per cent tax discount was a “luxury the council can no longer afford” in tough times, and said poorer pensioners, as assessed by Government rules, would continue to get council tax benefit.

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1:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

Perhaps the council should apply for a children in need grant. They're going to need it.
Perhaps the council should apply for a children in need grant. They're going to need it. nedscrumpo
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2:00pm Fri 16 Nov 12

james47 says...

An elderly friend of mine on old age pension says her choice is to either pay the council tax or heat her home. She has worked hard all of her life, paid her taxes and owns her own home in the Polygon.

This "rich pensioner" has barely enough money to eat. And Labour are increasing her council tax so they can give money back to their union paymasters.

Utterly Despicable.
An elderly friend of mine on old age pension says her choice is to either pay the council tax or heat her home. She has worked hard all of her life, paid her taxes and owns her own home in the Polygon. This "rich pensioner" has barely enough money to eat. And Labour are increasing her council tax so they can give money back to their union paymasters. Utterly Despicable. james47
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2:04pm Fri 16 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Vote Tory in 2014 to get the best deal for all.
Labour have wasted a fortune by not working with IOW.
I won't bore you with many other monies Labour have wasted.
Vote Tory in 2014 to get the best deal for all. Labour have wasted a fortune by not working with IOW. I won't bore you with many other monies Labour have wasted. aldermoorboy
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2:06pm Fri 16 Nov 12

freemantlegirl2 says...

james47 wrote:
An elderly friend of mine on old age pension says her choice is to either pay the council tax or heat her home. She has worked hard all of her life, paid her taxes and owns her own home in the Polygon.

This "rich pensioner" has barely enough money to eat. And Labour are increasing her council tax so they can give money back to their union paymasters.

Utterly Despicable.
She should go and see Age Concern for benefits advice. She would be entitled to Pension Credit and possibly CT Benefit.

to say pensioner's council tax rebate is going to the unions is utter tosh! blame the government for reducing counci subsidies so severely that council's just cannot survive.

Those pensioners who can't afford to pay won't.... what was wrong is that ALL pensioners got the discount, including many who were able.
[quote][p][bold]james47[/bold] wrote: An elderly friend of mine on old age pension says her choice is to either pay the council tax or heat her home. She has worked hard all of her life, paid her taxes and owns her own home in the Polygon. This "rich pensioner" has barely enough money to eat. And Labour are increasing her council tax so they can give money back to their union paymasters. Utterly Despicable.[/p][/quote]She should go and see Age Concern for benefits advice. She would be entitled to Pension Credit and possibly CT Benefit. to say pensioner's council tax rebate is going to the unions is utter tosh! blame the government for reducing counci subsidies so severely that council's just cannot survive. Those pensioners who can't afford to pay won't.... what was wrong is that ALL pensioners got the discount, including many who were able. freemantlegirl2
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2:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

On the inside says...

This is an out and out distortion by the Echo. A 2% council tax increase will be between £16.53 and £49.57 per YEAR. The vast majority at the lower end.

There are a very few rich pensioners who will lose the 10% discount but no pensioners on 'low fixed incomes' will lose this.

By the way, what is this mythical fixed income that only impacts on pensioners? Only Echo Editors can demand £100,000 plus pay packets with a pay rise whenever we want one. The rest of use are all on 'fixed' incomes. Of course I could be wrong, the Editor can prove it by telling us what he gets! After all the paper is totally facinated with what everyone else earns.
This is an out and out distortion by the Echo. A 2% council tax increase will be between £16.53 and £49.57 per YEAR. The vast majority at the lower end. There are a very few rich pensioners who will lose the 10% discount but no pensioners on 'low fixed incomes' will lose this. By the way, what is this mythical fixed income that only impacts on pensioners? Only Echo Editors can demand £100,000 plus pay packets with a pay rise whenever we want one. The rest of use are all on 'fixed' incomes. Of course I could be wrong, the Editor can prove it by telling us what he gets! After all the paper is totally facinated with what everyone else earns. On the inside
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2:16pm Fri 16 Nov 12

localnews says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Vote Tory in 2014 to get the best deal for all.
Labour have wasted a fortune by not working with IOW.
I won't bore you with many other monies Labour have wasted.
You constantly bore everyone with you pro Tory posts,All of politics is bent out of shape and they're only interested in themselve's, this country is in this mess because of Westminster as a whole,years of Thatcher selling everything off and years of Labour borrowing has destroyed us.And under this present gang of crooks only the small minority at the top of the food chain will gain anything.I don't know what the fix is but we are heading for more unrest and riots the way things are going
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Vote Tory in 2014 to get the best deal for all. Labour have wasted a fortune by not working with IOW. I won't bore you with many other monies Labour have wasted.[/p][/quote]You constantly bore everyone with you pro Tory posts,All of politics is bent out of shape and they're only interested in themselve's, this country is in this mess because of Westminster as a whole,years of Thatcher selling everything off and years of Labour borrowing has destroyed us.And under this present gang of crooks only the small minority at the top of the food chain will gain anything.I don't know what the fix is but we are heading for more unrest and riots the way things are going localnews
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3:09pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Considering while in the process of sacrificing Labour values at the alter of Thatcherism the New Labour government of which their local mobs hero politically dodgy Denham was integral part, they offered pensioners 75p per week pension rise while their bungler Brown was busy laying his filthy hands on national pension pot, it is hardly surprising that now the same party which is not inspired by likes of Hardy or Bevan but Tory from few centuries ago called Disraeli, if the Pensioners expected any compassion they should have known better.

Milliband’s mob which is controlling our Council are misleading people by hiding under the excuse of national financial crisis, which were triggered by their own government, which handed over billion of public money to ‘Bankers’ who mostly supported Tories; but they are asking mostly their own supporters like pensioners the price for their follies.

How can this be fair?

When even under Cllr. Smith led Tories the pensioners had comparatively better deal, although not exactly princely, should the NuLabourites not be thoroughly ashamed of themselves?

Hardly surprising that their faithful councillors Don Thomas and Keith Morrell have disassociated from so called Group led by Williams and Rayment, and with some socialist blood in her body Cllr. Satvir Kaur could not control her anger and let the steam out by telling few hard hitting truths at the last Council meeting. Perhaps she should also be joining Don and Keith to feel at ease with her decent social conscience.
Considering while in the process of sacrificing Labour values at the alter of Thatcherism the New Labour government of which their local mobs hero politically dodgy Denham was integral part, they offered pensioners 75p per week pension rise while their bungler Brown was busy laying his filthy hands on national pension pot, it is hardly surprising that now the same party which is not inspired by likes of Hardy or Bevan but Tory from few centuries ago called Disraeli, if the Pensioners expected any compassion they should have known better. Milliband’s mob which is controlling our Council are misleading people by hiding under the excuse of national financial crisis, which were triggered by their own government, which handed over billion of public money to ‘Bankers’ who mostly supported Tories; but they are asking mostly their own supporters like pensioners the price for their follies. How can this be fair? When even under Cllr. Smith led Tories the pensioners had comparatively better deal, although not exactly princely, should the NuLabourites not be thoroughly ashamed of themselves? Hardly surprising that their faithful councillors Don Thomas and Keith Morrell have disassociated from so called Group led by Williams and Rayment, and with some socialist blood in her body Cllr. Satvir Kaur could not control her anger and let the steam out by telling few hard hitting truths at the last Council meeting. Perhaps she should also be joining Don and Keith to feel at ease with her decent social conscience. Paramjit Bahia
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3:23pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

I have already offered to take my neighbours grass cuttings & leafs & put them into my allotment composter.
there are many allotment holders who if approached would be very happy to do this.
If young enough as in a letter I've written there are spare plots which start of at £26.50 (all depends on the site)for 5 rods this is a garden size plot.
then you can go up to ten rods ( quite a lot) which on my site ( Borrowdale rd) which this year would cost you £53 next year it will be £63 & will remain at that for the foreseeable future.
this will be the charge by the council for green waste collection & you'd get vegetables (potatoes) fruit freshly grown for a small price for the seeds.
the 5rods would get you the plot & all the seeds or sets that you could plant for less than the charge for Garden waste so come on and join us if your fit enough or capable.
This is just an idea to save paying the council for waste they compost & sell so making double bubble
I have already offered to take my neighbours grass cuttings & leafs & put them into my allotment composter. there are many allotment holders who if approached would be very happy to do this. If young enough as in a letter I've written there are spare plots which start of at £26.50 (all depends on the site)for 5 rods this is a garden size plot. then you can go up to ten rods ( quite a lot) which on my site ( Borrowdale rd) which this year would cost you £53 next year it will be £63 & will remain at that for the foreseeable future. this will be the charge by the council for green waste collection & you'd get vegetables (potatoes) fruit freshly grown for a small price for the seeds. the 5rods would get you the plot & all the seeds or sets that you could plant for less than the charge for Garden waste so come on and join us if your fit enough or capable. This is just an idea to save paying the council for waste they compost & sell so making double bubble loosehead
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4:39pm Fri 16 Nov 12

sotonbusdriver says...

I am thinking seriously about committing a imprisonable crime..
Then at least I will get 3 square meals a day, which is 3 square meals more than I get now. Also the benefit of no bills to worry about, and live in company 24 hours a day.
I would be so much better off in JAIL... It is a serious thought...
I am thinking seriously about committing a imprisonable crime.. Then at least I will get 3 square meals a day, which is 3 square meals more than I get now. Also the benefit of no bills to worry about, and live in company 24 hours a day. I would be so much better off in JAIL... It is a serious thought... sotonbusdriver
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4:41pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Considering while in the process of sacrificing Labour values at the alter of Thatcherism the New Labour government of which their local mobs hero politically dodgy Denham was integral part, they offered pensioners 75p per week pension rise while their bungler Brown was busy laying his filthy hands on national pension pot, it is hardly surprising that now the same party which is not inspired by likes of Hardy or Bevan but Tory from few centuries ago called Disraeli, if the Pensioners expected any compassion they should have known better.

Milliband’s mob which is controlling our Council are misleading people by hiding under the excuse of national financial crisis, which were triggered by their own government, which handed over billion of public money to ‘Bankers’ who mostly supported Tories; but they are asking mostly their own supporters like pensioners the price for their follies.

How can this be fair?

When even under Cllr. Smith led Tories the pensioners had comparatively better deal, although not exactly princely, should the NuLabourites not be thoroughly ashamed of themselves?

Hardly surprising that their faithful councillors Don Thomas and Keith Morrell have disassociated from so called Group led by Williams and Rayment, and with some socialist blood in her body Cllr. Satvir Kaur could not control her anger and let the steam out by telling few hard hitting truths at the last Council meeting. Perhaps she should also be joining Don and Keith to feel at ease with her decent social conscience.
Looks like youve lost your 10% then ..... well according to the Echo
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Considering while in the process of sacrificing Labour values at the alter of Thatcherism the New Labour government of which their local mobs hero politically dodgy Denham was integral part, they offered pensioners 75p per week pension rise while their bungler Brown was busy laying his filthy hands on national pension pot, it is hardly surprising that now the same party which is not inspired by likes of Hardy or Bevan but Tory from few centuries ago called Disraeli, if the Pensioners expected any compassion they should have known better. Milliband’s mob which is controlling our Council are misleading people by hiding under the excuse of national financial crisis, which were triggered by their own government, which handed over billion of public money to ‘Bankers’ who mostly supported Tories; but they are asking mostly their own supporters like pensioners the price for their follies. How can this be fair? When even under Cllr. Smith led Tories the pensioners had comparatively better deal, although not exactly princely, should the NuLabourites not be thoroughly ashamed of themselves? Hardly surprising that their faithful councillors Don Thomas and Keith Morrell have disassociated from so called Group led by Williams and Rayment, and with some socialist blood in her body Cllr. Satvir Kaur could not control her anger and let the steam out by telling few hard hitting truths at the last Council meeting. Perhaps she should also be joining Don and Keith to feel at ease with her decent social conscience.[/p][/quote]Looks like youve lost your 10% then ..... well according to the Echo Lone Ranger.
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4:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

Why should us tax payers fork out for them!! Never seen a broke elderly person they just generally waste money.
Why should us tax payers fork out for them!! Never seen a broke elderly person they just generally waste money. lovetheladies
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4:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

Why should us tax payers fork out for them!! Never seen a broke elderly person they just generally waste money.
Why should us tax payers fork out for them!! Never seen a broke elderly person they just generally waste money. lovetheladies
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6:45pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Contacted Action line to find out about the green waste charge they knew nothing about it.
]They said if it was going to happen they would have been told first.
I suggested they look at the Echo webpage which they did .
The poor young lady thought it meant only OAP's would get charged I told her the truth & asked as I put out no Green waste do I have to pay?
The only answer she could give me was other authorities that do this you have to sign up to get collections so she thought it would be this way here if it was happening?
Contacted Action line to find out about the green waste charge they knew nothing about it. ]They said if it was going to happen they would have been told first. I suggested they look at the Echo webpage which they did . The poor young lady thought it meant only OAP's would get charged I told her the truth & asked as I put out no Green waste do I have to pay? The only answer she could give me was other authorities that do this you have to sign up to get collections so she thought it would be this way here if it was happening? loosehead
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6:47pm Fri 16 Nov 12

loosehead says...

lovetheladies wrote:
Why should us tax payers fork out for them!! Never seen a broke elderly person they just generally waste money.
My friend put a chunk of his wages into the company pension scheme alog came Brown & stole a large chunk of it .
he got back less than he paid in so sorry not all OAP's are rich some get just the state pension
[quote][p][bold]lovetheladies[/bold] wrote: Why should us tax payers fork out for them!! Never seen a broke elderly person they just generally waste money.[/p][/quote]My friend put a chunk of his wages into the company pension scheme alog came Brown & stole a large chunk of it . he got back less than he paid in so sorry not all OAP's are rich some get just the state pension loosehead
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6:58pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

Brown stole it okay then....
Brown stole it okay then.... lovetheladies
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7:00pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

On the inside wrote:
This is an out and out distortion by the Echo. A 2% council tax increase will be between £16.53 and £49.57 per YEAR. The vast majority at the lower end.

There are a very few rich pensioners who will lose the 10% discount but no pensioners on 'low fixed incomes' will lose this.

By the way, what is this mythical fixed income that only impacts on pensioners? Only Echo Editors can demand £100,000 plus pay packets with a pay rise whenever we want one. The rest of use are all on 'fixed' incomes. Of course I could be wrong, the Editor can prove it by telling us what he gets! After all the paper is totally facinated with what everyone else earns.
You cant criticise the Echo for distorting the facts.
.
They got very upset with the Unions for doing roughly the same thing
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: This is an out and out distortion by the Echo. A 2% council tax increase will be between £16.53 and £49.57 per YEAR. The vast majority at the lower end. There are a very few rich pensioners who will lose the 10% discount but no pensioners on 'low fixed incomes' will lose this. By the way, what is this mythical fixed income that only impacts on pensioners? Only Echo Editors can demand £100,000 plus pay packets with a pay rise whenever we want one. The rest of use are all on 'fixed' incomes. Of course I could be wrong, the Editor can prove it by telling us what he gets! After all the paper is totally facinated with what everyone else earns.[/p][/quote]You cant criticise the Echo for distorting the facts. . They got very upset with the Unions for doing roughly the same thing Lone Ranger.
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7:33pm Fri 16 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
On the inside wrote:
This is an out and out distortion by the Echo. A 2% council tax increase will be between £16.53 and £49.57 per YEAR. The vast majority at the lower end.

There are a very few rich pensioners who will lose the 10% discount but no pensioners on 'low fixed incomes' will lose this.

By the way, what is this mythical fixed income that only impacts on pensioners? Only Echo Editors can demand £100,000 plus pay packets with a pay rise whenever we want one. The rest of use are all on 'fixed' incomes. Of course I could be wrong, the Editor can prove it by telling us what he gets! After all the paper is totally facinated with what everyone else earns.
You cant criticise the Echo for distorting the facts.
.
They got very upset with the Unions for doing roughly the same thing
Blimey it's really hard to work out which one of you two is the biggest pratt! If I had to bet I would have my money on the Moan Ranger though !!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: This is an out and out distortion by the Echo. A 2% council tax increase will be between £16.53 and £49.57 per YEAR. The vast majority at the lower end. There are a very few rich pensioners who will lose the 10% discount but no pensioners on 'low fixed incomes' will lose this. By the way, what is this mythical fixed income that only impacts on pensioners? Only Echo Editors can demand £100,000 plus pay packets with a pay rise whenever we want one. The rest of use are all on 'fixed' incomes. Of course I could be wrong, the Editor can prove it by telling us what he gets! After all the paper is totally facinated with what everyone else earns.[/p][/quote]You cant criticise the Echo for distorting the facts. . They got very upset with the Unions for doing roughly the same thing[/p][/quote]Blimey it's really hard to work out which one of you two is the biggest pratt! If I had to bet I would have my money on the Moan Ranger though !! andysaints007
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7:44pm Fri 16 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

Same! haha
Same! haha lovetheladies
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7:54pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Maine Lobster says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Vote Tory in 2014 to get the best deal for all.
Labour have wasted a fortune by not working with IOW.
I won't bore you with many other monies Labour have wasted.
Try boring us with all the money Royston smith wasted!
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Vote Tory in 2014 to get the best deal for all. Labour have wasted a fortune by not working with IOW. I won't bore you with many other monies Labour have wasted.[/p][/quote]Try boring us with all the money Royston smith wasted! Maine Lobster
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7:57pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Maine Lobster says...

lovetheladies wrote:
Why should us tax payers fork out for them!! Never seen a broke elderly person they just generally waste money.
To avoid the green waste charge, just take it to the Council recycling point at Dock gate 20. If you can't do it, get a friend, neighbour or relative to do it.
[quote][p][bold]lovetheladies[/bold] wrote: Why should us tax payers fork out for them!! Never seen a broke elderly person they just generally waste money.[/p][/quote]To avoid the green waste charge, just take it to the Council recycling point at Dock gate 20. If you can't do it, get a friend, neighbour or relative to do it. Maine Lobster
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10:22pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

andysaints007 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
On the inside wrote:
This is an out and out distortion by the Echo. A 2% council tax increase will be between £16.53 and £49.57 per YEAR. The vast majority at the lower end.

There are a very few rich pensioners who will lose the 10% discount but no pensioners on 'low fixed incomes' will lose this.

By the way, what is this mythical fixed income that only impacts on pensioners? Only Echo Editors can demand £100,000 plus pay packets with a pay rise whenever we want one. The rest of use are all on 'fixed' incomes. Of course I could be wrong, the Editor can prove it by telling us what he gets! After all the paper is totally facinated with what everyone else earns.
You cant criticise the Echo for distorting the facts.
.
They got very upset with the Unions for doing roughly the same thing
Blimey it's really hard to work out which one of you two is the biggest pratt! If I had to bet I would have my money on the Moan Ranger though !!
I may not always share their views but both are very intelligent and well informed regular contributors on this site. They do not deserve abuse from those who may feel hurt with truth, at least from their point of view.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: This is an out and out distortion by the Echo. A 2% council tax increase will be between £16.53 and £49.57 per YEAR. The vast majority at the lower end. There are a very few rich pensioners who will lose the 10% discount but no pensioners on 'low fixed incomes' will lose this. By the way, what is this mythical fixed income that only impacts on pensioners? Only Echo Editors can demand £100,000 plus pay packets with a pay rise whenever we want one. The rest of use are all on 'fixed' incomes. Of course I could be wrong, the Editor can prove it by telling us what he gets! After all the paper is totally facinated with what everyone else earns.[/p][/quote]You cant criticise the Echo for distorting the facts. . They got very upset with the Unions for doing roughly the same thing[/p][/quote]Blimey it's really hard to work out which one of you two is the biggest pratt! If I had to bet I would have my money on the Moan Ranger though !![/p][/quote]I may not always share their views but both are very intelligent and well informed regular contributors on this site. They do not deserve abuse from those who may feel hurt with truth, at least from their point of view. Paramjit Bahia
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10:42pm Fri 16 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Considering while in the process of sacrificing Labour values at the alter of Thatcherism the New Labour government of which their local mobs hero politically dodgy Denham was integral part, they offered pensioners 75p per week pension rise while their bungler Brown was busy laying his filthy hands on national pension pot, it is hardly surprising that now the same party which is not inspired by likes of Hardy or Bevan but Tory from few centuries ago called Disraeli, if the Pensioners expected any compassion they should have known better.

Milliband’s mob which is controlling our Council are misleading people by hiding under the excuse of national financial crisis, which were triggered by their own government, which handed over billion of public money to ‘Bankers’ who mostly supported Tories; but they are asking mostly their own supporters like pensioners the price for their follies.

How can this be fair?

When even under Cllr. Smith led Tories the pensioners had comparatively better deal, although not exactly princely, should the NuLabourites not be thoroughly ashamed of themselves?

Hardly surprising that their faithful councillors Don Thomas and Keith Morrell have disassociated from so called Group led by Williams and Rayment, and with some socialist blood in her body Cllr. Satvir Kaur could not control her anger and let the steam out by telling few hard hitting truths at the last Council meeting. Perhaps she should also be joining Don and Keith to feel at ease with her decent social conscience.
Looks like youve lost your 10% then ..... well according to the Echo
Dear Lone Ranger,

Actually I had some prominent NuLabour members in mind.

Pensioners like Pat Alan (if he is still alive) Richard Bates, Danis Harryman, and Ken Street etc. and many other old dears who spent their lives contributing their pounds to both The Labour and also Conservatised NuLabour, while unlike the current arrogant crop of councillors who keep on insulting pensioners by calling them Rich Tories, they did not pocket mega money while serving the party and the people.

By the way as a socialist you should be telling the whole truth. Dispicable ConDem Coalition is not the only government that is making financial life of Councils difficult, your beloved Blair and Brown were in power for 13 years busy not helping but caping the councils just like juntas of Major and Thatcher before them
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Considering while in the process of sacrificing Labour values at the alter of Thatcherism the New Labour government of which their local mobs hero politically dodgy Denham was integral part, they offered pensioners 75p per week pension rise while their bungler Brown was busy laying his filthy hands on national pension pot, it is hardly surprising that now the same party which is not inspired by likes of Hardy or Bevan but Tory from few centuries ago called Disraeli, if the Pensioners expected any compassion they should have known better. Milliband’s mob which is controlling our Council are misleading people by hiding under the excuse of national financial crisis, which were triggered by their own government, which handed over billion of public money to ‘Bankers’ who mostly supported Tories; but they are asking mostly their own supporters like pensioners the price for their follies. How can this be fair? When even under Cllr. Smith led Tories the pensioners had comparatively better deal, although not exactly princely, should the NuLabourites not be thoroughly ashamed of themselves? Hardly surprising that their faithful councillors Don Thomas and Keith Morrell have disassociated from so called Group led by Williams and Rayment, and with some socialist blood in her body Cllr. Satvir Kaur could not control her anger and let the steam out by telling few hard hitting truths at the last Council meeting. Perhaps she should also be joining Don and Keith to feel at ease with her decent social conscience.[/p][/quote]Looks like youve lost your 10% then ..... well according to the Echo[/p][/quote]Dear Lone Ranger, Actually I had some prominent NuLabour members in mind. Pensioners like Pat Alan (if he is still alive) Richard Bates, Danis Harryman, and Ken Street etc. and many other old dears who spent their lives contributing their pounds to both The Labour and also Conservatised NuLabour, while unlike the current arrogant crop of councillors who keep on insulting pensioners by calling them Rich Tories, they did not pocket mega money while serving the party and the people. By the way as a socialist you should be telling the whole truth. Dispicable ConDem Coalition is not the only government that is making financial life of Councils difficult, your beloved Blair and Brown were in power for 13 years busy not helping but caping the councils just like juntas of Major and Thatcher before them Paramjit Bahia
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