Supercasino firm eyes Southampton gamblers’ paradise

Daily Echo: Aspers in Stratford is the largest in the country Aspers in Stratford is the largest in the country

THE operator behind the UK’s first supercasino is among those eyeing the lucrative rights to bring a huge gambling complex to Southampton.

Aspers – which earlier this year opened the doors to the largest casino in the country in Stratford, London – has backed council plans for a similar one to be built at the Royal Pier in Southampton.

Councillors have approved the rules they would use to run a competition to award a licence for a super-sized casino in the city. It could land the cash-strapped council with a financial windfall, bring hundreds of jobs and millions of pounds of regeneration to the city.

Deputy council leader Jacqui Rayment said: “We have a duty to support this and see it happen and make sure it happens. This city needs to grow and develop.”

Business leaders say that with the right safeguards it will bring much needed investment but church and community leaders fear a rise in debt and other social problems.

In a letter to the council, seen by the Daily Echo, Aspers finance boss Martyn Kennedy said it was weighing up submitting a bid for the licence but wanted assurances that restrictions would not be put on the ratio of staff to customers.

Mr Kennedy said Aspers were “experts at managing staff to meet demand” citing the 25,000 weekly gamblers who enjoy its Westfield Stratford City casino in a “safe and comfortable environment”.

He said: “Any onerous ratios will significantly affect the viability of our business and the benefits to the council.”

Aspers agreed to pay Newham Council at least £1m a year from its takings.

Mr Kennedy also objected to a proposed “no tipping” rule which he said could force a casino operator to pay staff higher salaries, reducing the “ability of the casino to deliver regeneration benefits to the council”.

Addressing a possible ban on “inducements to gamble”, Mr Kennedy said Aspers did not offer free or cut-price food or drink, but did offer restaurant promotions.

Southampton is one of only eight councils in the country granted the rights to hand out a “large casino” licence.

It would allow an operator to build a casino housing up to 150 slot machines with jackpots of up to £4,000 and up to 30 tables for blackjack and poker. Regular casinos have a limit of 20 slot machines. The council has earmarked the Royal Pier as its preferred location for a casino.

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1:09pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Barney123 says...

Just what Southampton needs... another place to gamble!
Just what Southampton needs... another place to gamble! Barney123

1:29pm Mon 19 Nov 12

southy says...

Keep it well away from the pier area, if any where locate it at the Rose bowl.
Keep it well away from the pier area, if any where locate it at the Rose bowl. southy

1:51pm Mon 19 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business. elvisimo

1:58pm Mon 19 Nov 12

southy says...

elvisimo wrote:
great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler southy

2:04pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Dasal says...

southy wrote:
Keep it well away from the pier area, if any where locate it at the Rose bowl.
Why ???
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Keep it well away from the pier area, if any where locate it at the Rose bowl.[/p][/quote]Why ??? Dasal

2:06pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Dasal says...

southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
and theres a few of us out here, Southy .
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]and theres a few of us out here, Southy . Dasal

2:07pm Mon 19 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them. elvisimo

2:16pm Mon 19 Nov 12

southy says...

elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.[/p][/quote]Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win southy

2:19pm Mon 19 Nov 12

southy says...

Dasal wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
and theres a few of us out here, Southy .
yes i know there is, use to know a guy that would do the pub runs on the slot machines, I would like to see the pub restictions eased up to allow them to be able have pub gambling like the old games.
[quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]and theres a few of us out here, Southy .[/p][/quote]yes i know there is, use to know a guy that would do the pub runs on the slot machines, I would like to see the pub restictions eased up to allow them to be able have pub gambling like the old games. southy

2:19pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win
Yeh, but it's not a pub.

If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts.

So that's not really relevant.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.[/p][/quote]Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win[/p][/quote]Yeh, but it's not a pub. If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts. So that's not really relevant. Shoong

2:33pm Mon 19 Nov 12

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win
Yeh, but it's not a pub.

If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts.

So that's not really relevant.
Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.[/p][/quote]Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win[/p][/quote]Yeh, but it's not a pub. If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts. So that's not really relevant.[/p][/quote]Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly. southy

2:35pm Mon 19 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win
so following that logic pubs should not sell alcohol? - social problems, addiction etc.

The difference is that a casino operators bread and butter is gambling, they know how to police and run their operations.

Anyone can have a high value AWP machine or Jackpot machine if they are willing to obtain a club gaming or club machine license. pubs however are not willing to adhere to the condition attached to these, hence pubs have lower payouts. Logic being it prevents drunk people getting too carried away.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.[/p][/quote]Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win[/p][/quote]so following that logic pubs should not sell alcohol? - social problems, addiction etc. The difference is that a casino operators bread and butter is gambling, they know how to police and run their operations. Anyone can have a high value AWP machine or Jackpot machine if they are willing to obtain a club gaming or club machine license. pubs however are not willing to adhere to the condition attached to these, hence pubs have lower payouts. Logic being it prevents drunk people getting too carried away. elvisimo

2:37pm Mon 19 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

Seems to me that Council business is run like a casino; gambling with tax payers money, making a loss and constantly gambling more to get the losses back.
Seems to me that Council business is run like a casino; gambling with tax payers money, making a loss and constantly gambling more to get the losses back. nedscrumpo

2:41pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win
Yeh, but it's not a pub.

If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts.

So that's not really relevant.
Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly.
Same with pubs and liqour, bookies, etc etc.

You seem to have odd belief that the majority of the public are unable to control themselves. I think you'll find the majority are and just because a casino is built, it doesn't mean that everyone in the immediate area becomes gambling addicts. A great deal of us can control ourselves - sorry if you have trouble getting your head around that.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.[/p][/quote]Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win[/p][/quote]Yeh, but it's not a pub. If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts. So that's not really relevant.[/p][/quote]Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly.[/p][/quote]Same with pubs and liqour, bookies, etc etc. You seem to have odd belief that the majority of the public are unable to control themselves. I think you'll find the majority are and just because a casino is built, it doesn't mean that everyone in the immediate area becomes gambling addicts. A great deal of us can control ourselves - sorry if you have trouble getting your head around that. Shoong

2:45pm Mon 19 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win
Yeh, but it's not a pub. If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts. So that's not really relevant.
Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly.
So we will ban pubs - dont want to become winos
No casinos - gambling addiction
Fast food - turns everyone into obese track suit wearing scumbags.

Or perhaps legislate for the vast majority who do have an element of self control.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.[/p][/quote]Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win[/p][/quote]Yeh, but it's not a pub. If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts. So that's not really relevant.[/p][/quote]Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly.[/p][/quote]So we will ban pubs - dont want to become winos No casinos - gambling addiction Fast food - turns everyone into obese track suit wearing scumbags. Or perhaps legislate for the vast majority who do have an element of self control. elvisimo

3:03pm Mon 19 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

Haven't these 'Supercasino' schemes always met with failure in the past?
Haven't these 'Supercasino' schemes always met with failure in the past? kingnotail

3:31pm Mon 19 Nov 12

cantthinkofone says...

Southampton, capital of cash-converters, payday loan companies, and casinos. Leading the way in profiting from misery. So proud.
Southampton, capital of cash-converters, payday loan companies, and casinos. Leading the way in profiting from misery. So proud. cantthinkofone

3:37pm Mon 19 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Southampton, capital of cash-converters, payday loan companies, and casinos. Leading the way in profiting from misery. So proud.
Obviously.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Southampton, capital of cash-converters, payday loan companies, and casinos. Leading the way in profiting from misery. So proud.[/p][/quote]Obviously. elvisimo

4:04pm Mon 19 Nov 12

peenut81 says...

It ''COULD'' land the cash-strapped council with a financial windfall, bring hundreds of jobs and millions of pounds of regeneration to the city.
Well as Mr Kennedy makes it clear in his statement that he intends to employ as few people as possible, pay as little as possible i'm not sure Matt Smith has really portrayed this correctly.
Aspinal was a crook, his Mayfair club witnessed some of the most important scenes and plotting for exploiting the Empire and establishing the corrupt financial services industry we are saddled with today. Aspers is based in Jersey where it can hide behind secrecy laws meaning it pays a fraction of the tax it really should do. I will oppose this development at every stage, Southampton does not need a bunch of criminally orientated overseas investors exploiting us in return for a sum of money that will barely cover the cost of the paperwork/legal work that will be generated.
It ''COULD'' land the cash-strapped council with a financial windfall, bring hundreds of jobs and millions of pounds of regeneration to the city. Well as Mr Kennedy makes it clear in his statement that he intends to employ as few people as possible, pay as little as possible i'm not sure Matt Smith has really portrayed this correctly. Aspinal was a crook, his Mayfair club witnessed some of the most important scenes and plotting for exploiting the Empire and establishing the corrupt financial services industry we are saddled with today. Aspers is based in Jersey where it can hide behind secrecy laws meaning it pays a fraction of the tax it really should do. I will oppose this development at every stage, Southampton does not need a bunch of criminally orientated overseas investors exploiting us in return for a sum of money that will barely cover the cost of the paperwork/legal work that will be generated. peenut81

4:15pm Mon 19 Nov 12

MGRA says...

southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win
Yeh, but it's not a pub.

If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts.

So that's not really relevant.
Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly.
true words my friend. However, this casino would really be targetting the cruise industry population envelope and the other "high end" spenders such as boat show visitors etc etc.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.[/p][/quote]Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win[/p][/quote]Yeh, but it's not a pub. If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts. So that's not really relevant.[/p][/quote]Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly.[/p][/quote]true words my friend. However, this casino would really be targetting the cruise industry population envelope and the other "high end" spenders such as boat show visitors etc etc. MGRA

5:00pm Mon 19 Nov 12

southy says...

MGRA wrote:
southy wrote:
Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win
Yeh, but it's not a pub.

If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts.

So that's not really relevant.
Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly.
true words my friend. However, this casino would really be targetting the cruise industry population envelope and the other "high end" spenders such as boat show visitors etc etc.
If they plan what they want to happen in the area to deal with mayflower park, the boat show will leave southampton, space on the water will end up smaller as they are not allowed to cross into the shipping channel. if they are thinking about town quay or in ocean village that is a different set of problems, and as this is only a one week year event, it will not matter to much to them to take that into account, now what you said about shipping passengers as more logic to it, but do research into this area, shipping passengers mostly arrive mainly on the day the ship leaves, and on return leave the city to get back home on the same day, those that do tend to stay the one or two nights are those that have come over from the USA and Canada there are not many in numbers and tend to eat in the Hotel, the real high end local spenders, do not come into Southampton to spend that much, Bournmouth and Poole seems to be there fav spot with trips to London for the major shows, we can not equal London nore should we try to do so, it will only turn out as a failure, We had Casinos here before, Silhouette's in St Micheal Sq was one of the well known ones that use to do all what these super casino tend to do, but on a smaller scale, and they was here in Southampton hay-days of passenger shipping industary, they lost the gambling part in the mid 60's because it did not pay its way, and carried on till the 90's, use to be a great place to go for a meal and watch a live show.
And there is or was a casino in oslo road don't know what happen to that one.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.[/p][/quote]Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win[/p][/quote]Yeh, but it's not a pub. If you are addicted to gambling, you'll find a way to lose it all whether it be the bookies or even online, it's the 21st Century. Hell, there may be at least some customers who aren't gambling addicts. So that's not really relevant.[/p][/quote]Suggest you go and visit places in the USA, Casinos are for the professional Gamblers where they can sucker people into losing there money, they do not care about the effects it can have, like where is your next payment coming from to keep a roof over your head, or your next meal, Addiction to gambling creeps up on you slowly.[/p][/quote]true words my friend. However, this casino would really be targetting the cruise industry population envelope and the other "high end" spenders such as boat show visitors etc etc.[/p][/quote]If they plan what they want to happen in the area to deal with mayflower park, the boat show will leave southampton, space on the water will end up smaller as they are not allowed to cross into the shipping channel. if they are thinking about town quay or in ocean village that is a different set of problems, and as this is only a one week year event, it will not matter to much to them to take that into account, now what you said about shipping passengers as more logic to it, but do research into this area, shipping passengers mostly arrive mainly on the day the ship leaves, and on return leave the city to get back home on the same day, those that do tend to stay the one or two nights are those that have come over from the USA and Canada there are not many in numbers and tend to eat in the Hotel, the real high end local spenders, do not come into Southampton to spend that much, Bournmouth and Poole seems to be there fav spot with trips to London for the major shows, we can not equal London nore should we try to do so, it will only turn out as a failure, We had Casinos here before, Silhouette's in St Micheal Sq was one of the well known ones that use to do all what these super casino tend to do, but on a smaller scale, and they was here in Southampton hay-days of passenger shipping industary, they lost the gambling part in the mid 60's because it did not pay its way, and carried on till the 90's, use to be a great place to go for a meal and watch a live show. And there is or was a casino in oslo road don't know what happen to that one. southy

5:02pm Mon 19 Nov 12

southy says...

MGRA also dont these passenger liners have casinos on them all ready.
MGRA also dont these passenger liners have casinos on them all ready. southy

5:38pm Mon 19 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

We cant even afford to go out the house let alone go to a casino.
We cant even afford to go out the house let alone go to a casino. bigfella777

5:46pm Mon 19 Nov 12

andyfidler1966 says...

Promoting Southampton as a high-end destination is a good aspiration, but I don't see this as the solution to the city's woes.
Promoting Southampton as a high-end destination is a good aspiration, but I don't see this as the solution to the city's woes. andyfidler1966

8:24pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

andyfidler1966 wrote:
Promoting Southampton as a high-end destination is a good aspiration, but I don't see this as the solution to the city's woes.
Of course its not the answer to the City's woes.
.
But.... Quote:- It could land the cash-strapped council with a financial windfall, bring hundreds of jobs and millions of pounds of regeneration to the city.
.
So at least it may help a little.
.
And another company who wants to invest in Southampton ....... The Blue Dinosaur will be upset
[quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: Promoting Southampton as a high-end destination is a good aspiration, but I don't see this as the solution to the city's woes.[/p][/quote]Of course its not the answer to the City's woes. . But.... Quote:- It could land the cash-strapped council with a financial windfall, bring hundreds of jobs and millions of pounds of regeneration to the city. . So at least it may help a little. . And another company who wants to invest in Southampton ....... The Blue Dinosaur will be upset Lone Ranger.

9:53pm Mon 19 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

Southampton Council over the years has kept on telling the people that project it wants to promote will be financially helpful to Council's coffers and will create badly needed jobs to ease unemployment.

If that was true then why Marlands, Bargate Centre, East Street Eyesore, West Quay, Town Quay and Leisure world etc have not made the Council so rich that it could have kept the services going and staff employed rather than reducing services, sacking workers and keep on raising Council Tax and problem of unemployment has not gone away?

Latest pie in the sky of Super Casino will not be much different. Owners will mint money, those who will be encouraged to gamble will lose, that will create social problems, but with all the cuts will the Council be able to cope with those? I don't think so.

Not only Southampton whole of UK has lost most of manufacturing base. People in power should encourage rebuilding of that rather than business of gambling and other gimmicks
Southampton Council over the years has kept on telling the people that project it wants to promote will be financially helpful to Council's coffers and will create badly needed jobs to ease unemployment. If that was true then why Marlands, Bargate Centre, East Street Eyesore, West Quay, Town Quay and Leisure world etc have not made the Council so rich that it could have kept the services going and staff employed rather than reducing services, sacking workers and keep on raising Council Tax and problem of unemployment has not gone away? Latest pie in the sky of Super Casino will not be much different. Owners will mint money, those who will be encouraged to gamble will lose, that will create social problems, but with all the cuts will the Council be able to cope with those? I don't think so. Not only Southampton whole of UK has lost most of manufacturing base. People in power should encourage rebuilding of that rather than business of gambling and other gimmicks Paramjit Bahia

5:30am Tue 20 Nov 12

Phil76 says...

I bet you it doesn't lead to problem gambling.
I bet you it doesn't lead to problem gambling. Phil76

9:55am Tue 20 Nov 12

Linesman says...

southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
southy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.
only impressive if your a gambler
..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.
Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win
Using that argument, you could say that all pubs, off licences should be closed and that shops should not be permitted to sell alcohol or tobacco.

Similarly, slot machines should be banned because some people do not know when to stop feeding the damned things.

What about the national lottery, football pools and worst of all, bookies.

I imagine that a casino in this position would be an attraction for passengers on cruise ships that visit.

There are pros and cons for everything.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: great and long overdue - seen the one at Westfield - very impressive. Lets just hope the council dont ruin it by telling experienced operators how to run their business.[/p][/quote]only impressive if your a gambler[/p][/quote]..or if you want to go out for a meal , or watch some live music, or go for a drink. Whilst I would guess you have never been to one of the new generation casinos ,I suspect that will not deter you from of course being an expert on them.[/p][/quote]Problem with casinos is the social problems that come with it like addiction. also think about like this why give places like this the right to be able to gamble high stakes, when a pub is not allowed (legally)to let it puntters gamble with the old pub games like nap ect and there slot machines are limited to how much it can pay out in one win[/p][/quote]Using that argument, you could say that all pubs, off licences should be closed and that shops should not be permitted to sell alcohol or tobacco. Similarly, slot machines should be banned because some people do not know when to stop feeding the damned things. What about the national lottery, football pools and worst of all, bookies. I imagine that a casino in this position would be an attraction for passengers on cruise ships that visit. There are pros and cons for everything. Linesman

10:52am Tue 20 Nov 12

Georgem says...

I see southy is now the world's leading gambling expert, as well.
I see southy is now the world's leading gambling expert, as well. Georgem

12:20pm Tue 20 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

Casinos are a niche market, Southampton needs to improve its nightlife in other ways.
Casinos are a niche market, Southampton needs to improve its nightlife in other ways. kingnotail

2:08pm Tue 20 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

kingnotail wrote:
Casinos are a niche market, Southampton needs to improve its nightlife in other ways.
such as what?
[quote][p][bold]kingnotail[/bold] wrote: Casinos are a niche market, Southampton needs to improve its nightlife in other ways.[/p][/quote]such as what? elvisimo

4:17pm Mon 26 Nov 12

Fee Club says...

The Fee Club is excited about the opening of this casino and all the opportunities that will come from this. www.feeclub.com
The Fee Club is excited about the opening of this casino and all the opportunities that will come from this. www.feeclub.com Fee Club

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