Mum who swindled state of £50,000 must sell house

Daily Echo: Patricia Burland Patricia Burland

A BENEFITS cheat, who swindled the state of almost £50,000, is being forced to sell her home to repay the cash.

Mother-of-four Patricia Burland’s claim for income support on the basis of being a single parent was valid at the outset but she failed to tell the authorities that from March 2006 her husband Adrian was back living with her full-time.

She was caught after the Department of Works and Pensions kept surveillance on her Southampton home. It confirmed her husband’s van was parked outside early in the morning and late at night.

Initially she claimed he had been living there for some nights in the week but then confessed they had began living together again.

She told investigators she was scared her benefit would stop and her husband would leave her. She was also in arrears with her mortgage.

When she appeared before Southampton Crown Court in July to admit two charges of failing to notify a change of circumstances it was revealed she was having a swimming pool built in the back garden of her home in Wodehouse Road. She maintained she was paying for it with the help of her sons.

She received a 24 week suspended sentence coupled with 12 months supervision.

Now she has returned to the court to face a confiscation hearing. Prosecutor Patrick Moran told the court the fraud amounted to £47,914.28 and her realisable assets stood at £76.569.32.

Andy Houston, defending, confirmed Burland would have to sell her home to pay the cash back.

Burland was given six months to pay with up to 18 months in default of payment.

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6:14am Tue 20 Nov 12

townieboy says...

Wow seems like someone at last is to be punished. NOTE to self. Make sure you dont own anything before you swindle the benefits, and have young kids as extra insureance.
Wow seems like someone at last is to be punished. NOTE to self. Make sure you dont own anything before you swindle the benefits, and have young kids as extra insureance. townieboy
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6:29am Tue 20 Nov 12

nedscrumpo says...

Good; more of it. But its the kids who will be the victims though.
Good; more of it. But its the kids who will be the victims though. nedscrumpo
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8:14am Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit loosehead
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8:21am Tue 20 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

Result, sends the right message to others.
Result, sends the right message to others. bigfella777
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8:21am Tue 20 Nov 12

Plum Pudding says...

I agree that she should be punished, both for the crime itself and as a deterrent to others. However I am left wondering whether having to sell her house, if that is the case, would end up with tax payers subsidising her and her family even more than they do now. That should however prevent proper punishment. What concerns me more, far more, is that £50,000 is an awful lot of money by any standard, and that she was able to get away with it since 2006. To me it says a lot about our tax payer funded benefits system insofar as all her husband apparently had to do for her to qualify was to walk out! Says an awful lot about to me about incentivising personal responsibility. And then for her to receive the payments for up to 6 years says an awful lot about the way that such largesse is handed out without any apparent physical checks and enforcement.
As someone who works hard and pays far more tax than I would wish, I think those who set the level of payment, decide who qualifies and why, and how it is paid and what checks are made seem to deal with my hard earned cash with almost gay abandon. Perhaps we should let the banks administer the benefits system....
I agree that she should be punished, both for the crime itself and as a deterrent to others. However I am left wondering whether having to sell her house, if that is the case, would end up with tax payers subsidising her and her family even more than they do now. That should however prevent proper punishment. What concerns me more, far more, is that £50,000 is an awful lot of money by any standard, and that she was able to get away with it since 2006. To me it says a lot about our tax payer funded benefits system insofar as all her husband apparently had to do for her to qualify was to walk out! Says an awful lot about to me about incentivising personal responsibility. And then for her to receive the payments for up to 6 years says an awful lot about the way that such largesse is handed out without any apparent physical checks and enforcement. As someone who works hard and pays far more tax than I would wish, I think those who set the level of payment, decide who qualifies and why, and how it is paid and what checks are made seem to deal with my hard earned cash with almost gay abandon. Perhaps we should let the banks administer the benefits system.... Plum Pudding
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8:22am Tue 20 Nov 12

Plum Pudding says...

Plum Pudding wrote:
I agree that she should be punished, both for the crime itself and as a deterrent to others. However I am left wondering whether having to sell her house, if that is the case, would end up with tax payers subsidising her and her family even more than they do now. That should however prevent proper punishment. What concerns me more, far more, is that £50,000 is an awful lot of money by any standard, and that she was able to get away with it since 2006. To me it says a lot about our tax payer funded benefits system insofar as all her husband apparently had to do for her to qualify was to walk out! Says an awful lot about to me about incentivising personal responsibility. And then for her to receive the payments for up to 6 years says an awful lot about the way that such largesse is handed out without any apparent physical checks and enforcement.
As someone who works hard and pays far more tax than I would wish, I think those who set the level of payment, decide who qualifies and why, and how it is paid and what checks are made seem to deal with my hard earned cash with almost gay abandon. Perhaps we should let the banks administer the benefits system....
I obviously meant to say "should NOT prevent proper punishment"...
[quote][p][bold]Plum Pudding[/bold] wrote: I agree that she should be punished, both for the crime itself and as a deterrent to others. However I am left wondering whether having to sell her house, if that is the case, would end up with tax payers subsidising her and her family even more than they do now. That should however prevent proper punishment. What concerns me more, far more, is that £50,000 is an awful lot of money by any standard, and that she was able to get away with it since 2006. To me it says a lot about our tax payer funded benefits system insofar as all her husband apparently had to do for her to qualify was to walk out! Says an awful lot about to me about incentivising personal responsibility. And then for her to receive the payments for up to 6 years says an awful lot about the way that such largesse is handed out without any apparent physical checks and enforcement. As someone who works hard and pays far more tax than I would wish, I think those who set the level of payment, decide who qualifies and why, and how it is paid and what checks are made seem to deal with my hard earned cash with almost gay abandon. Perhaps we should let the banks administer the benefits system....[/p][/quote]I obviously meant to say "should NOT prevent proper punishment"... Plum Pudding
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8:23am Tue 20 Nov 12

Chris storey says...

I thought this was going to be about Margaret Moran the thieving lying money grubbing MP who stole more money and got away with it, silly me!
I thought this was going to be about Margaret Moran the thieving lying money grubbing MP who stole more money and got away with it, silly me! Chris storey
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8:39am Tue 20 Nov 12

Lockssmart says...

Is a caravan worth £50k?
Is a caravan worth £50k? Lockssmart
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8:46am Tue 20 Nov 12

teamgreen says...

and what about hookman and the other hate mongers that live in this country with all their wives.when are they going to pay back then ?
and what about hookman and the other hate mongers that live in this country with all their wives.when are they going to pay back then ? teamgreen
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9:03am Tue 20 Nov 12

sofa_king_right says...

Is the meat scarf proudly worn around her neck a realisable asset?
Is the meat scarf proudly worn around her neck a realisable asset? sofa_king_right
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9:04am Tue 20 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

teamgreen wrote:
and what about hookman and the other hate mongers that live in this country with all their wives.when are they going to pay back then ?
probaly when they are charged and convicted of fraud. preaching hate and terorist links dont count.
[quote][p][bold]teamgreen[/bold] wrote: and what about hookman and the other hate mongers that live in this country with all their wives.when are they going to pay back then ?[/p][/quote]probaly when they are charged and convicted of fraud. preaching hate and terorist links dont count. elvisimo
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9:29am Tue 20 Nov 12

Linesman says...

nedscrumpo wrote:
Good; more of it. But its the kids who will be the victims though.
If, as she claimed, her sons were helping her to pay for the swimming pool, they must be in employment.

Perhaps it will also be a lesson to them.
[quote][p][bold]nedscrumpo[/bold] wrote: Good; more of it. But its the kids who will be the victims though.[/p][/quote]If, as she claimed, her sons were helping her to pay for the swimming pool, they must be in employment. Perhaps it will also be a lesson to them. Linesman
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9:50am Tue 20 Nov 12

sarfhamton says...

loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it. sarfhamton
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10:25am Tue 20 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Patricia Burland today.

Starbucks tomorrow?????
Patricia Burland today. Starbucks tomorrow????? Linesman
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10:47am Tue 20 Nov 12

Georgem says...

loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
This guy gets it. There's a reason blindly punishing everyone to the fullest extent of the law isn't always a great idea, and it's got sod all to do with being a liberal pansy, or some criminal apologist.

Gold star for you, loosehead.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]This guy gets it. There's a reason blindly punishing everyone to the fullest extent of the law isn't always a great idea, and it's got sod all to do with being a liberal pansy, or some criminal apologist. Gold star for you, loosehead. Georgem
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11:02am Tue 20 Nov 12

Georgem says...

Linesman wrote:
Patricia Burland today.

Starbucks tomorrow?????
Doubtful. Starbucks have done nothing illegal. You think Starbucks should be paying more tax? Blame HMRC.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Patricia Burland today. Starbucks tomorrow?????[/p][/quote]Doubtful. Starbucks have done nothing illegal. You think Starbucks should be paying more tax? Blame HMRC. Georgem
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11:08am Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy.
With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on.
I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair?
Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy. With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on. I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair? Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way? loosehead
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11:10am Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
But they will have to house her yes?
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]But they will have to house her yes? loosehead
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12:00pm Tue 20 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

Why will she get benefit, her partner is working and there is nothing to stop her working either.
She could remortgage anyway.
Why will she get benefit, her partner is working and there is nothing to stop her working either. She could remortgage anyway. bigfella777
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12:07pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Patricia Burland today.

Starbucks tomorrow?????
Doubtful. Starbucks have done nothing illegal. You think Starbucks should be paying more tax? Blame HMRC.
no blame the government, for changing the rules that allow them to get away with it
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Patricia Burland today. Starbucks tomorrow?????[/p][/quote]Doubtful. Starbucks have done nothing illegal. You think Starbucks should be paying more tax? Blame HMRC.[/p][/quote]no blame the government, for changing the rules that allow them to get away with it southy
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12:13pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
But they will have to house her yes?
Maybe not Loose they may tell her she as to much money and she will need to find private housing
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]But they will have to house her yes?[/p][/quote]Maybe not Loose they may tell her she as to much money and she will need to find private housing southy
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12:20pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
But they will have to house her yes?
Maybe not Loose they may tell her she as to much money and she will need to find private housing
what the council will do is tell her to put her name down on the list, they may put her a temp accomation up to the max of 2 years.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]But they will have to house her yes?[/p][/quote]Maybe not Loose they may tell her she as to much money and she will need to find private housing[/p][/quote]what the council will do is tell her to put her name down on the list, they may put her a temp accomation up to the max of 2 years. southy
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12:38pm Tue 20 Nov 12

sarfhamton says...

loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy.
With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on.
I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair?
Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?
I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines.

They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy. With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on. I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair? Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?[/p][/quote]I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines. They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money. sarfhamton
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12:49pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy.
With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on.
I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair?
Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?
I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines.

They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.
what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job.
[quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy. With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on. I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair? Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?[/p][/quote]I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines. They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.[/p][/quote]what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job. southy
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12:54pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Boatman says...

loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
No they don't, they will rightly claim that she made herself intentionally homeless.

In any event with husband working and £26k savings she will get neither Housing Benefit not Council Tax Benefit.

They will have to rent in the private sector.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]No they don't, they will rightly claim that she made herself intentionally homeless. In any event with husband working and £26k savings she will get neither Housing Benefit not Council Tax Benefit. They will have to rent in the private sector. Boatman
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12:56pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
But they will have to house her yes?
The council will not house her, as she intentionally made herself homeless, however they (dependant of the age of the children) have a duty of care to house the children, if as the reports states her children are helping her pay for the swimming pool then they must be of working age and SCC relinquish the duty of care element, so she won't get housed.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]But they will have to house her yes?[/p][/quote]The council will not house her, as she intentionally made herself homeless, however they (dependant of the age of the children) have a duty of care to house the children, if as the reports states her children are helping her pay for the swimming pool then they must be of working age and SCC relinquish the duty of care element, so she won't get housed. Over the Edge
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12:59pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy.
With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on.
I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair?
Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?
I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines.

They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.
what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job.
You just don't get it do you?
It's not the Governments fault that this woman conned £50,000 out of us not some Government Department but us the Tax payers of this country.
As for doing some one out of a job you've got a bit of a cheek saying that to my suggestion haven't you?
Your friends the Unions have pushed a scenario where Mike Tucker & his fellow Union convener get their pay restored at the cost of council workers jobs.
your Labour Party pre-announced exactly this would happen before the local elections but denied it.
I haven't seen one post where you've attacked either of these !
People like this woman could be used to work in Dementia wards/homes & assist the paid help not instead of the paid help you are so Anti Government it's always their fault & not the crooks
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy. With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on. I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair? Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?[/p][/quote]I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines. They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.[/p][/quote]what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you? It's not the Governments fault that this woman conned £50,000 out of us not some Government Department but us the Tax payers of this country. As for doing some one out of a job you've got a bit of a cheek saying that to my suggestion haven't you? Your friends the Unions have pushed a scenario where Mike Tucker & his fellow Union convener get their pay restored at the cost of council workers jobs. your Labour Party pre-announced exactly this would happen before the local elections but denied it. I haven't seen one post where you've attacked either of these ! People like this woman could be used to work in Dementia wards/homes & assist the paid help not instead of the paid help you are so Anti Government it's always their fault & not the crooks loosehead
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1:04pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Over the Edge wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
But they will have to house her yes?
The council will not house her, as she intentionally made herself homeless, however they (dependant of the age of the children) have a duty of care to house the children, if as the reports states her children are helping her pay for the swimming pool then they must be of working age and SCC relinquish the duty of care element, so she won't get housed.
Thank You but has she got just those children working?
If so then her husbands working & as some one has already said why can't they re- mortgage this house?
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]But they will have to house her yes?[/p][/quote]The council will not house her, as she intentionally made herself homeless, however they (dependant of the age of the children) have a duty of care to house the children, if as the reports states her children are helping her pay for the swimming pool then they must be of working age and SCC relinquish the duty of care element, so she won't get housed.[/p][/quote]Thank You but has she got just those children working? If so then her husbands working & as some one has already said why can't they re- mortgage this house? loosehead
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1:08pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Over the Edge wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
But they will have to house her yes?
The council will not house her, as she intentionally made herself homeless, however they (dependant of the age of the children) have a duty of care to house the children, if as the reports states her children are helping her pay for the swimming pool then they must be of working age and SCC relinquish the duty of care element, so she won't get housed.
I looked at the article again she has 4 children are all of these of working age?
if not would the council have to re-house them?
I just think it's wrong that the very welfare system built up to house & to make sure people don't starve has been ripped off by her & yet it might have to help house her?
she should be made to fend for her self maybe put her non working children into temporary care until she has a place to live?
[quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]But they will have to house her yes?[/p][/quote]The council will not house her, as she intentionally made herself homeless, however they (dependant of the age of the children) have a duty of care to house the children, if as the reports states her children are helping her pay for the swimming pool then they must be of working age and SCC relinquish the duty of care element, so she won't get housed.[/p][/quote]I looked at the article again she has 4 children are all of these of working age? if not would the council have to re-house them? I just think it's wrong that the very welfare system built up to house & to make sure people don't starve has been ripped off by her & yet it might have to help house her? she should be made to fend for her self maybe put her non working children into temporary care until she has a place to live? loosehead
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1:18pm Tue 20 Nov 12

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy.
With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on.
I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair?
Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?
I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines.

They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.
what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job.
You just don't get it do you?
It's not the Governments fault that this woman conned £50,000 out of us not some Government Department but us the Tax payers of this country.
As for doing some one out of a job you've got a bit of a cheek saying that to my suggestion haven't you?
Your friends the Unions have pushed a scenario where Mike Tucker & his fellow Union convener get their pay restored at the cost of council workers jobs.
your Labour Party pre-announced exactly this would happen before the local elections but denied it.
I haven't seen one post where you've attacked either of these !
People like this woman could be used to work in Dementia wards/homes & assist the paid help not instead of the paid help you are so Anti Government it's always their fault & not the crooks
No your the one who don't get it loose.
your taking a job away some one, who would end up spending in the local economy, this helps both the public sector and the private sector, you at the state now where every job counts, we are walking along the knife edge and its not going to take much now to take that fall into an economy oblivion.
No the real crooks have been the last 32 years of government we have had, they have been taking from the poor and giving it to the rich, what this woman has done is wrong, and yes she should be punish for it, but never at the expense of others, which is being suggested here, the days when you could of done that have long time pass now, when the unemployment was below the 1 million.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy. With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on. I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair? Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?[/p][/quote]I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines. They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.[/p][/quote]what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you? It's not the Governments fault that this woman conned £50,000 out of us not some Government Department but us the Tax payers of this country. As for doing some one out of a job you've got a bit of a cheek saying that to my suggestion haven't you? Your friends the Unions have pushed a scenario where Mike Tucker & his fellow Union convener get their pay restored at the cost of council workers jobs. your Labour Party pre-announced exactly this would happen before the local elections but denied it. I haven't seen one post where you've attacked either of these ! People like this woman could be used to work in Dementia wards/homes & assist the paid help not instead of the paid help you are so Anti Government it's always their fault & not the crooks[/p][/quote]No your the one who don't get it loose. your taking a job away some one, who would end up spending in the local economy, this helps both the public sector and the private sector, you at the state now where every job counts, we are walking along the knife edge and its not going to take much now to take that fall into an economy oblivion. No the real crooks have been the last 32 years of government we have had, they have been taking from the poor and giving it to the rich, what this woman has done is wrong, and yes she should be punish for it, but never at the expense of others, which is being suggested here, the days when you could of done that have long time pass now, when the unemployment was below the 1 million. southy
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1:34pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

loosehead wrote:
Over the Edge wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
But they will have to house her yes?
The council will not house her, as she intentionally made herself homeless, however they (dependant of the age of the children) have a duty of care to house the children, if as the reports states her children are helping her pay for the swimming pool then they must be of working age and SCC relinquish the duty of care element, so she won't get housed.
I looked at the article again she has 4 children are all of these of working age?
if not would the council have to re-house them?
I just think it's wrong that the very welfare system built up to house & to make sure people don't starve has been ripped off by her & yet it might have to help house her?
she should be made to fend for her self maybe put her non working children into temporary care until she has a place to live?
I totally agree with you on a couple of points, the welfare state was set up for those most in need, the abuse of the system is rife, especially when it comes housing benefit I fear it will only get worse in the near future

I do not agree with putting the children (of non working age) into any form of social services care.

The cost of tier one (looked after children) care for children is immense (no matter how short their)and should only be used when absolutely necessary, putting children into care for the sins of their parents (so to speak) is something I'm against, the courts do consider the children before locking up parents who cheats the benefit system, that why so many who get caught use their children as an excuse.

Jailing her and adding a confiscation order would have been a better solution/punishment in this case, punishment and payback.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Over the Edge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]But they will have to house her yes?[/p][/quote]The council will not house her, as she intentionally made herself homeless, however they (dependant of the age of the children) have a duty of care to house the children, if as the reports states her children are helping her pay for the swimming pool then they must be of working age and SCC relinquish the duty of care element, so she won't get housed.[/p][/quote]I looked at the article again she has 4 children are all of these of working age? if not would the council have to re-house them? I just think it's wrong that the very welfare system built up to house & to make sure people don't starve has been ripped off by her & yet it might have to help house her? she should be made to fend for her self maybe put her non working children into temporary care until she has a place to live?[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you on a couple of points, the welfare state was set up for those most in need, the abuse of the system is rife, especially when it comes housing benefit I fear it will only get worse in the near future I do not agree with putting the children (of non working age) into any form of social services care. The cost of tier one (looked after children) care for children is immense (no matter how short their)and should only be used when absolutely necessary, putting children into care for the sins of their parents (so to speak) is something I'm against, the courts do consider the children before locking up parents who cheats the benefit system, that why so many who get caught use their children as an excuse. Jailing her and adding a confiscation order would have been a better solution/punishment in this case, punishment and payback. Over the Edge
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1:46pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy.
With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on.
I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair?
Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?
I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines.

They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.
what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job.
You just don't get it do you?
It's not the Governments fault that this woman conned £50,000 out of us not some Government Department but us the Tax payers of this country.
As for doing some one out of a job you've got a bit of a cheek saying that to my suggestion haven't you?
Your friends the Unions have pushed a scenario where Mike Tucker & his fellow Union convener get their pay restored at the cost of council workers jobs.
your Labour Party pre-announced exactly this would happen before the local elections but denied it.
I haven't seen one post where you've attacked either of these !
People like this woman could be used to work in Dementia wards/homes & assist the paid help not instead of the paid help you are so Anti Government it's always their fault & not the crooks
No your the one who don't get it loose.
your taking a job away some one, who would end up spending in the local economy, this helps both the public sector and the private sector, you at the state now where every job counts, we are walking along the knife edge and its not going to take much now to take that fall into an economy oblivion.
No the real crooks have been the last 32 years of government we have had, they have been taking from the poor and giving it to the rich, what this woman has done is wrong, and yes she should be punish for it, but never at the expense of others, which is being suggested here, the days when you could of done that have long time pass now, when the unemployment was below the 1 million.
No, he's right, you've completely missed the point. Sorry.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy. With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on. I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair? Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?[/p][/quote]I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines. They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.[/p][/quote]what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you? It's not the Governments fault that this woman conned £50,000 out of us not some Government Department but us the Tax payers of this country. As for doing some one out of a job you've got a bit of a cheek saying that to my suggestion haven't you? Your friends the Unions have pushed a scenario where Mike Tucker & his fellow Union convener get their pay restored at the cost of council workers jobs. your Labour Party pre-announced exactly this would happen before the local elections but denied it. I haven't seen one post where you've attacked either of these ! People like this woman could be used to work in Dementia wards/homes & assist the paid help not instead of the paid help you are so Anti Government it's always their fault & not the crooks[/p][/quote]No your the one who don't get it loose. your taking a job away some one, who would end up spending in the local economy, this helps both the public sector and the private sector, you at the state now where every job counts, we are walking along the knife edge and its not going to take much now to take that fall into an economy oblivion. No the real crooks have been the last 32 years of government we have had, they have been taking from the poor and giving it to the rich, what this woman has done is wrong, and yes she should be punish for it, but never at the expense of others, which is being suggested here, the days when you could of done that have long time pass now, when the unemployment was below the 1 million.[/p][/quote]No, he's right, you've completely missed the point. Sorry. Shoong
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6:24pm Tue 20 Nov 12

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
sarfhamton wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit
If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit.

Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.
personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy.
With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on.
I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair?
Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?
I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines.

They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.
what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job.
You just don't get it do you?
It's not the Governments fault that this woman conned £50,000 out of us not some Government Department but us the Tax payers of this country.
As for doing some one out of a job you've got a bit of a cheek saying that to my suggestion haven't you?
Your friends the Unions have pushed a scenario where Mike Tucker & his fellow Union convener get their pay restored at the cost of council workers jobs.
your Labour Party pre-announced exactly this would happen before the local elections but denied it.
I haven't seen one post where you've attacked either of these !
People like this woman could be used to work in Dementia wards/homes & assist the paid help not instead of the paid help you are so Anti Government it's always their fault & not the crooks
No your the one who don't get it loose.
your taking a job away some one, who would end up spending in the local economy, this helps both the public sector and the private sector, you at the state now where every job counts, we are walking along the knife edge and its not going to take much now to take that fall into an economy oblivion.
No the real crooks have been the last 32 years of government we have had, they have been taking from the poor and giving it to the rich, what this woman has done is wrong, and yes she should be punish for it, but never at the expense of others, which is being suggested here, the days when you could of done that have long time pass now, when the unemployment was below the 1 million.
Re-rrad my post it said assist a permanent worker maybe getting her to do all the dirty filthy jobs not taking some ones job
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sarfhamton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Lets get real! she sells her house becomes homeless the local council has to house her & her kids she keeps the £26,000 profit[/p][/quote]If she has 26 k profit then she wont be entitled to housing benefit. Also have you seen any of the council housing stock recently? She is welcome to it.[/p][/quote]personally we should go the American way & have caravan Parks for these type of people & they should be continuously reassessed to see if they can afford private rental or to buy. With the remaining money she will have from the sell of the property what ever happens she should use it to pay her rent & to live on. I was made redundant & had no chance of any Government money as I had £30,000 tax free yet I never broke the law I'd paid all my taxes yet this woman has knowingly committed fraud & she will get help how on earth is this fair? Maybe put her into Community work to pay her way?[/p][/quote]I think Community Payback (service) should be part of all sentences in addition to fines. They can spruce up the city and save the council taxpayer some money.[/p][/quote]what doing some one out of a full time job. no if there is room for this to happen then there is room to employ some one to do that job.[/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you? It's not the Governments fault that this woman conned £50,000 out of us not some Government Department but us the Tax payers of this country. As for doing some one out of a job you've got a bit of a cheek saying that to my suggestion haven't you? Your friends the Unions have pushed a scenario where Mike Tucker & his fellow Union convener get their pay restored at the cost of council workers jobs. your Labour Party pre-announced exactly this would happen before the local elections but denied it. I haven't seen one post where you've attacked either of these ! People like this woman could be used to work in Dementia wards/homes & assist the paid help not instead of the paid help you are so Anti Government it's always their fault & not the crooks[/p][/quote]No your the one who don't get it loose. your taking a job away some one, who would end up spending in the local economy, this helps both the public sector and the private sector, you at the state now where every job counts, we are walking along the knife edge and its not going to take much now to take that fall into an economy oblivion. No the real crooks have been the last 32 years of government we have had, they have been taking from the poor and giving it to the rich, what this woman has done is wrong, and yes she should be punish for it, but never at the expense of others, which is being suggested here, the days when you could of done that have long time pass now, when the unemployment was below the 1 million.[/p][/quote]Re-rrad my post it said assist a permanent worker maybe getting her to do all the dirty filthy jobs not taking some ones job loosehead
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9:42pm Tue 20 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

OMG, another benefit cheat that's not a council tenant. Thank God for the council's tenants. They are the honest ones.
OMG, another benefit cheat that's not a council tenant. Thank God for the council's tenants. They are the honest ones. Inform Al
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8:31am Wed 21 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
OMG, another benefit cheat that's not a council tenant. Thank God for the council's tenants. They are the honest ones.
HA HA ha, Thanks for making me laugh didn't know you were into comedy!
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: OMG, another benefit cheat that's not a council tenant. Thank God for the council's tenants. They are the honest ones.[/p][/quote]HA HA ha, Thanks for making me laugh didn't know you were into comedy! loosehead
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