Anti-Islamic film up for discussion at Muslim conference in Southampton

Daily Echo: Anti-Islamic film up for discussion at Muslim conference Anti-Islamic film up for discussion at Muslim conference

A FILM that provoked a storm of violent protests among Muslims across the world will be discussed in Southampton next week.

The Muslim Council of Southampton (MCS) is holding a conference about the anti-Islamic video that was posted on Youtube by a US citizen.

The clip led to protests that have caused more than 75 deaths and hundreds of injuries across the Middle East, Africa, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Mohammad Khan from MCS says the evening of talks is designed to take a more measured approach to dealing with the video.

He said: “So many people have been killed because of the protests provoked by the film – it’s not necessary and it’s what whoever created the film wanted.

“We thought rather than that, we will have something positive. “This talk is more for non-Muslims than Muslims because it’s about understanding our point of view.”

The evening, entitled “Is Islam Intolerant? Challenge Your Prejudices” will tackle topics such as what Prophet Muhammad did when faced with insults and how the Muslim world should respond to the video.

It takes place on Tuesday, November 27 at 6.30pm at the Itchen Lecture Theatre, Solent University.

For more details, email info@mcs-online.org.

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10:02am Sun 25 Nov 12

Solomon's Boot says...

“So many people have been killed because of the protests provoked by the film – it’s not necessary and it’s what whoever created the film wanted.


I don't believe for one moment, that the film makers wanted people to get killed.
“So many people have been killed because of the protests provoked by the film – it’s not necessary and it’s what whoever created the film wanted. I don't believe for one moment, that the film makers wanted people to get killed. Solomon's Boot

10:34am Sun 25 Nov 12

bazzeroz says...

Just goes to show that some peoples religion makes them insecure. Sad load of muppets.
Just goes to show that some peoples religion makes them insecure. Sad load of muppets. bazzeroz

12:12pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

To those of us who do not believe in unscientific stories it may not be important but for members of religious community some subjects can be sensitive. And when it comes to followers of Islam for most if not all of them unless people conform to their own standrads virtually everything seem to become super sensitive and offensive.

To make the situation even more complex if not all but disturbingly large number of followers of Islam tend to hate even each other so much that in 2012 it is difficult to understand why? For example tensions between Shia and Suni which are by far greater around the globe than even Proto and RCs in Northern Ireland.

Then within so called leadership of so called Islamic community double standrad and hypocrisy also appears to be beyond belief.

So most of us try to avoid saying or doing something which may possibly cause offence. But how many so called leaders and even followers of Islam think of doing that when they start spewing venom not only about us non believers but also about other religions?

Bit of live and let live from all sides could be helpful.

As am not even interested in the film which is alleged to have caused all that violence, I can't comment on that. But although we witnessed few minor peaceful protests against fun poked about Christ in a production shown on TV about a year ago, it was nothing when compared with what occurred after something on you tube i.e. riots around the globe.

Perhaps Muslim community should learn something out of that example, and start accepting the fact that in free society people have certain rights, which some people may sometime over use, but are mostly tolerated or better ignored.

And forcing ones own religious fanaticism upon others is not only very wrong but also counter productive.

Why did most of the Islamic world got upset over those Danish cartoons, because later on it was found out that most offensive ones were in fact added by some Muslim leaders themselves, purely for winding the followers... Why they still keep on about that but have not issued any Fatwas against their own miscreants?

They were rightly upset when Hindu fanatics and fascists demolished unused Babri Mosque in India. In fact I and my friend Alan Lloyd along with many Hindus and Sikhs organised and supported a peaceful protest. BUT why same Muslims stay quite when their own are blowing bombs in mosques in Pakistan and when even Govt of Pakistan itself attacked a prominent mosque?

And what about world famous statues of Budha blown up by Muslims in Afghanistan? How many of their leaders condemned and protested against that?

We do not have to go very far, but remember court cases and well publicised attacks in that beautiful mosque in Southampton to reach the conclusion that it is not odd book, cartoon or film that could have hurt supposedly religion of peace Islam but the attitude approach and actions of some Muslims are doing greater damage to their cherished brand.

So called leaders should start concentrating closer to home before starting other PR exercises.
To those of us who do not believe in unscientific stories it may not be important but for members of religious community some subjects can be sensitive. And when it comes to followers of Islam for most if not all of them unless people conform to their own standrads virtually everything seem to become super sensitive and offensive. To make the situation even more complex if not all but disturbingly large number of followers of Islam tend to hate even each other so much that in 2012 it is difficult to understand why? For example tensions between Shia and Suni which are by far greater around the globe than even Proto and RCs in Northern Ireland. Then within so called leadership of so called Islamic community double standrad and hypocrisy also appears to be beyond belief. So most of us try to avoid saying or doing something which may possibly cause offence. But how many so called leaders and even followers of Islam think of doing that when they start spewing venom not only about us non believers but also about other religions? Bit of live and let live from all sides could be helpful. As am not even interested in the film which is alleged to have caused all that violence, I can't comment on that. But although we witnessed few minor peaceful protests against fun poked about Christ in a production shown on TV about a year ago, it was nothing when compared with what occurred after something on you tube i.e. riots around the globe. Perhaps Muslim community should learn something out of that example, and start accepting the fact that in free society people have certain rights, which some people may sometime over use, but are mostly tolerated or better ignored. And forcing ones own religious fanaticism upon others is not only very wrong but also counter productive. Why did most of the Islamic world got upset over those Danish cartoons, because later on it was found out that most offensive ones were in fact added by some Muslim leaders themselves, purely for winding the followers... Why they still keep on about that but have not issued any Fatwas against their own miscreants? They were rightly upset when Hindu fanatics and fascists demolished unused Babri Mosque in India. In fact I and my friend Alan Lloyd along with many Hindus and Sikhs organised and supported a peaceful protest. BUT why same Muslims stay quite when their own are blowing bombs in mosques in Pakistan and when even Govt of Pakistan itself attacked a prominent mosque? And what about world famous statues of Budha blown up by Muslims in Afghanistan? How many of their leaders condemned and protested against that? We do not have to go very far, but remember court cases and well publicised attacks in that beautiful mosque in Southampton to reach the conclusion that it is not odd book, cartoon or film that could have hurt supposedly religion of peace Islam but the attitude approach and actions of some Muslims are doing greater damage to their cherished brand. So called leaders should start concentrating closer to home before starting other PR exercises. Paramjit Bahia

12:23pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Solomon's Boot says...

Well said Paramjit. I think most of us would agree that Islam really needs to grow up and learn to live and let live as most of us in the west do....And perhaps learn to be comfortable with itself first!
Well said Paramjit. I think most of us would agree that Islam really needs to grow up and learn to live and let live as most of us in the west do....And perhaps learn to be comfortable with itself first! Solomon's Boot

12:20am Mon 26 Nov 12

ballplayer says...

Yes, Parmajit - I agree with most of what you have said above. It is so sad that many Muslim countries have for years and years been with oppressive leaders. Foreigners fighting over oil. Not to mention the problem in the Gaza right now. We see hope when the Arab spring happened---but it will take years before reform, democracy and change takes place. When people have nothing to value (e.g. jobs, home, enough to eat, freedom, etc.) then they have to cling to religion. When their government does not help them, then they will support whover does (e.g. Muslim Brotherhood, etc.), It is no surprise then, that these same people hold their religion so very strong and near and dear to their hearts that if anyone upsets the apple cart, then they get terribly offended. I don't believe any one of us havae ever walked a day in their shoes, so it is easy to criticize. Yes, I am Muslim too..and I do not condone anything like the violence that happened with the cartoons and the film. As a matter of fact, I, and many in our Muslim group speak out a lot about this topic. We are trying to teach other Muslims the virtues of being moderate and peace minded. It is not rocket science, but I think that the majority of Muslims are peace minded, but the few who are not will always get the news media headlines. So I praise you for your honesty and trust me, we here in Canada are trying our utmost ---but it does take time. Meanwhile, we will continue to work towarrds and pray for peace. Salaam to you!
Yes, Parmajit - I agree with most of what you have said above. It is so sad that many Muslim countries have for years and years been with oppressive leaders. Foreigners fighting over oil. Not to mention the problem in the Gaza right now. We see hope when the Arab spring happened---but it will take years before reform, democracy and change takes place. When people have nothing to value (e.g. jobs, home, enough to eat, freedom, etc.) then they have to cling to religion. When their government does not help them, then they will support whover does (e.g. Muslim Brotherhood, etc.), It is no surprise then, that these same people hold their religion so very strong and near and dear to their hearts that if anyone upsets the apple cart, then they get terribly offended. I don't believe any one of us havae ever walked a day in their shoes, so it is easy to criticize. Yes, I am Muslim too..and I do not condone anything like the violence that happened with the cartoons and the film. As a matter of fact, I, and many in our Muslim group speak out a lot about this topic. We are trying to teach other Muslims the virtues of being moderate and peace minded. It is not rocket science, but I think that the majority of Muslims are peace minded, but the few who are not will always get the news media headlines. So I praise you for your honesty and trust me, we here in Canada are trying our utmost ---but it does take time. Meanwhile, we will continue to work towarrds and pray for peace. Salaam to you! ballplayer

2:27pm Mon 26 Nov 12

B. L. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
To those of us who do not believe in unscientific stories it may not be important but for members of religious community some subjects can be sensitive. And when it comes to followers of Islam for most if not all of them unless people conform to their own standrads virtually everything seem to become super sensitive and offensive.

To make the situation even more complex if not all but disturbingly large number of followers of Islam tend to hate even each other so much that in 2012 it is difficult to understand why? For example tensions between Shia and Suni which are by far greater around the globe than even Proto and RCs in Northern Ireland.

Then within so called leadership of so called Islamic community double standrad and hypocrisy also appears to be beyond belief.

So most of us try to avoid saying or doing something which may possibly cause offence. But how many so called leaders and even followers of Islam think of doing that when they start spewing venom not only about us non believers but also about other religions?

Bit of live and let live from all sides could be helpful.

As am not even interested in the film which is alleged to have caused all that violence, I can't comment on that. But although we witnessed few minor peaceful protests against fun poked about Christ in a production shown on TV about a year ago, it was nothing when compared with what occurred after something on you tube i.e. riots around the globe.

Perhaps Muslim community should learn something out of that example, and start accepting the fact that in free society people have certain rights, which some people may sometime over use, but are mostly tolerated or better ignored.

And forcing ones own religious fanaticism upon others is not only very wrong but also counter productive.

Why did most of the Islamic world got upset over those Danish cartoons, because later on it was found out that most offensive ones were in fact added by some Muslim leaders themselves, purely for winding the followers... Why they still keep on about that but have not issued any Fatwas against their own miscreants?

They were rightly upset when Hindu fanatics and fascists demolished unused Babri Mosque in India. In fact I and my friend Alan Lloyd along with many Hindus and Sikhs organised and supported a peaceful protest. BUT why same Muslims stay quite when their own are blowing bombs in mosques in Pakistan and when even Govt of Pakistan itself attacked a prominent mosque?

And what about world famous statues of Budha blown up by Muslims in Afghanistan? How many of their leaders condemned and protested against that?

We do not have to go very far, but remember court cases and well publicised attacks in that beautiful mosque in Southampton to reach the conclusion that it is not odd book, cartoon or film that could have hurt supposedly religion of peace Islam but the attitude approach and actions of some Muslims are doing greater damage to their cherished brand.

So called leaders should start concentrating closer to home before starting other PR exercises.
One of the best posts you have made. Congratulations on telling it the way it is and not biased as some would have it.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: To those of us who do not believe in unscientific stories it may not be important but for members of religious community some subjects can be sensitive. And when it comes to followers of Islam for most if not all of them unless people conform to their own standrads virtually everything seem to become super sensitive and offensive. To make the situation even more complex if not all but disturbingly large number of followers of Islam tend to hate even each other so much that in 2012 it is difficult to understand why? For example tensions between Shia and Suni which are by far greater around the globe than even Proto and RCs in Northern Ireland. Then within so called leadership of so called Islamic community double standrad and hypocrisy also appears to be beyond belief. So most of us try to avoid saying or doing something which may possibly cause offence. But how many so called leaders and even followers of Islam think of doing that when they start spewing venom not only about us non believers but also about other religions? Bit of live and let live from all sides could be helpful. As am not even interested in the film which is alleged to have caused all that violence, I can't comment on that. But although we witnessed few minor peaceful protests against fun poked about Christ in a production shown on TV about a year ago, it was nothing when compared with what occurred after something on you tube i.e. riots around the globe. Perhaps Muslim community should learn something out of that example, and start accepting the fact that in free society people have certain rights, which some people may sometime over use, but are mostly tolerated or better ignored. And forcing ones own religious fanaticism upon others is not only very wrong but also counter productive. Why did most of the Islamic world got upset over those Danish cartoons, because later on it was found out that most offensive ones were in fact added by some Muslim leaders themselves, purely for winding the followers... Why they still keep on about that but have not issued any Fatwas against their own miscreants? They were rightly upset when Hindu fanatics and fascists demolished unused Babri Mosque in India. In fact I and my friend Alan Lloyd along with many Hindus and Sikhs organised and supported a peaceful protest. BUT why same Muslims stay quite when their own are blowing bombs in mosques in Pakistan and when even Govt of Pakistan itself attacked a prominent mosque? And what about world famous statues of Budha blown up by Muslims in Afghanistan? How many of their leaders condemned and protested against that? We do not have to go very far, but remember court cases and well publicised attacks in that beautiful mosque in Southampton to reach the conclusion that it is not odd book, cartoon or film that could have hurt supposedly religion of peace Islam but the attitude approach and actions of some Muslims are doing greater damage to their cherished brand. So called leaders should start concentrating closer to home before starting other PR exercises.[/p][/quote]One of the best posts you have made. Congratulations on telling it the way it is and not biased as some would have it. B. L.

12:27am Tue 27 Nov 12

lovetheladies says...

Some good comments, its only a film get over it!!!!! muslims should stop finding any old excuse for violence.....
Some good comments, its only a film get over it!!!!! muslims should stop finding any old excuse for violence..... lovetheladies

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