Revised plans for Watermark WestQuay to be revealed to Southampton residents

Daily Echo: An earlier artist's impression of Watermark WestQuay An earlier artist's impression of Watermark WestQuay

IT’S the £70m vision that would bring 500 much-needed jobs to Southampton.

Developers will next week show off their revised plans to bring restaurants, leisure facilities and a multi-screen luxury cinema to the heart of the city in the much-awaited Watermark WestQuay development, which could be open in a little over three years.

City leaders last night welcomed the step forward as a major boost for Southampton that could kick-start the local economy.

Property investment giant Hammerson expects to lodge a bid in February for planning permission for a striking landmark building housing a mixture of 16 posh and family eateries below an entertainment hub, next to an open plaza linking the new restaurants to the historic medieval walls.

The firm also wants to add a giant 24-storey residential tower overlooking the waterfront as well as a hotel or offices and shops in a second phase of the project, which could see the redundant section of the former Pirelli site completely transformed into a bustling centre within six years.

Bosses at the firm have been working with Southampton City Council on the plans for 18 months and will next week run a two-day exhibition to gauge public reaction.

The scheme – one of seven key projects identified in the council’s £3 billion “masterplan” for the redevelopment of the city centre – has been revised after previous proposals were mothballed when the credit crunch caused the economy to crash.

But earlier this year Hammerson signed a four-year deal with the council committing to overhauling the barren wasteland between WestQuay Shopping Centre and The Quays swimming and diving complex.

The Watermark site has at various points been earmarked as a home for an ice rink and a super-casino, but the developers, buoyed by the early success of the recent £7m expansion of the eating facilities at the retail centre, believe the new plans reflect demand within the city.

The vision includes two rows of “aspirational” restaurants, featuring major national names, and tree-lined promenades leading down from the Waterstones side of the retail complex, overlooking a landscaped plaza separating the development from the city’s old walls.

On the Harbour Parade side of the development, family-orientated food outlets would be linked to the multi-storey car park by a new bridge across the road.

Above them, a floor would be given over to leisure facilities, which could be a bowling alley or “family entertainment centre”, with the 12 cinema screens forming the top layer of the complex, which would be as tall as the shopping centre.

Hammerson development manager Guy Wells promised that Watermark would provide “grand architecture and a statement”

for the city centre, and hopes that construction will begin in spring 2014.

He said: “Watermark WestQuay is an important regeneration scheme that will transform this part of the city and at the same time create fulland part-time employment opportunities for local people.”

Southampton’s Labour finance boss, Cllr Simon Letts, last night said he is delighted that the scheme is moving forward.

He said: “It’s excellent news for the city, creating jobs and getting things moving again.”

  • The full plans will be on show on the lower floor of WestQuay Shopping Centre from 9am to 8pm next Thursday and Friday.

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9:49am Wed 28 Nov 12

freefinker says...

.. oh dear, the Temple of Consumerism expands.

Who said religion is dead?
.. oh dear, the Temple of Consumerism expands. Who said religion is dead? freefinker
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9:53am Wed 28 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

There is a great opportunity to have a good moan . Likely topics - scope to local restaurants, markets and of course ice rinks.
And of course why do we need "_____"
There is a great opportunity to have a good moan . Likely topics - scope to local restaurants, markets and of course ice rinks. And of course why do we need "_____" elvisimo
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10:09am Wed 28 Nov 12

S Pance says...

Walked past yesterday and I think the Hammersons banner on the fence claimed 1000 jobs would be created.

Why have 500 jobs been apparently dropped from the plans?
Walked past yesterday and I think the Hammersons banner on the fence claimed 1000 jobs would be created. Why have 500 jobs been apparently dropped from the plans? S Pance
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10:19am Wed 28 Nov 12

AD1234 says...

For those unfamiliar with Southampton, allow me to translate.

"posh and family eateries" - the former provide knives & forks.

“aspirational” restaurants - establishments which hope to avoid drunken fights after 9pm.

"giant 24-storey residential tower overlooking the waterfront" - accommodation for single mums on benefits.

Welcome, Hammerson, to Gotham City.
For those unfamiliar with Southampton, allow me to translate. "posh and family eateries" - the former provide knives & forks. “aspirational” restaurants - establishments which hope to avoid drunken fights after 9pm. "giant 24-storey residential tower overlooking the waterfront" - accommodation for single mums on benefits. Welcome, Hammerson, to Gotham City. AD1234
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10:22am Wed 28 Nov 12

AndyAndrews says...

Bring it on. No mention of additional car parking though....
Bring it on. No mention of additional car parking though.... AndyAndrews
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10:26am Wed 28 Nov 12

__KTF__ says...

Great, more franchise restaurants on the way...

When is Leisure World being knocked down again as I suspect this is timed with that happening?

Also, why do they always put the plans no display during the week when there it little footfall.

If they extended it over the weekend they would get a lot more feedback.
Great, more franchise restaurants on the way... When is Leisure World being knocked down again as I suspect this is timed with that happening? Also, why do they always put the plans no display during the week when there it little footfall. If they extended it over the weekend they would get a lot more feedback. __KTF__
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10:50am Wed 28 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

__KTF__ wrote:
Great, more franchise restaurants on the way... When is Leisure World being knocked down again as I suspect this is timed with that happening? Also, why do they always put the plans no display during the week when there it little footfall. If they extended it over the weekend they would get a lot more feedback.
franchised restaurants - like who?
[quote][p][bold]__KTF__[/bold] wrote: Great, more franchise restaurants on the way... When is Leisure World being knocked down again as I suspect this is timed with that happening? Also, why do they always put the plans no display during the week when there it little footfall. If they extended it over the weekend they would get a lot more feedback.[/p][/quote]franchised restaurants - like who? elvisimo
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11:23am Wed 28 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

and the vista just behind , steel shed shops , a giant ugly warehouse ikea , a complete mish mash.
and the vista just behind , steel shed shops , a giant ugly warehouse ikea , a complete mish mash. arthur dalyrimple
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11:36am Wed 28 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

Hideous.
Hideous. RadicalEmu
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11:49am Wed 28 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

what, there is not going to be an ice rink!?
what, there is not going to be an ice rink!? Subject48
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12:00pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Barney123 says...

Just what southampton needs, more poorly made flats and minimum wage jobs in shops and restaurants.

Shame the council can't promote this land for university linked start-ups - the likes of high-skilled graduates instead of waitering staff.
Just what southampton needs, more poorly made flats and minimum wage jobs in shops and restaurants. Shame the council can't promote this land for university linked start-ups - the likes of high-skilled graduates instead of waitering staff. Barney123
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12:00pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Linesman says...

How many jobs will be lost in other parts of the city when more shops close?
How many jobs will be lost in other parts of the city when more shops close? Linesman
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1:01pm Wed 28 Nov 12

henry2* says...

Wow, there's some real pessimism on here... This project could only improve the city centre, in the same way Cabot Circus improved Bristols. And the plans look fairly identical, which is a good thing, because the centre needs something like this to define it. Another cinema is pretty unnecessary but the rest seems unique. The picture above doesn't do it justice, there's other pictures of this project which are much more enlightening. Jobs shouldn't need to be lost elsewhere if they plan this properly
Wow, there's some real pessimism on here... This project could only improve the city centre, in the same way Cabot Circus improved Bristols. And the plans look fairly identical, which is a good thing, because the centre needs something like this to define it. Another cinema is pretty unnecessary but the rest seems unique. The picture above doesn't do it justice, there's other pictures of this project which are much more enlightening. Jobs shouldn't need to be lost elsewhere if they plan this properly henry2*
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1:22pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Call2Arms says...

Yep. Isn't there a huge cinema not 500 yards away?
It is not great for the people of Southampton. It is another group of business's gathered together to enable us to spend more money. Surely we have all that already ?
Then again it does have trees, so that will make all the difference.
These shops and restaurants will open and others around the city not in the complex will close. What's the point ?
Yep. Isn't there a huge cinema not 500 yards away? It is not great for the people of Southampton. It is another group of business's gathered together to enable us to spend more money. Surely we have all that already ? Then again it does have trees, so that will make all the difference. These shops and restaurants will open and others around the city not in the complex will close. What's the point ? Call2Arms
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1:44pm Wed 28 Nov 12

st1halo says...

And the good councils of Southampton continue the work started by the Luftwaffe!
The transformation from a famous old city into Legoland is almost complete! I'd imagine tourists around the world are planning their visits right now!

@henry2 - why would we want to be identical to Bristol ?
And the good councils of Southampton continue the work started by the Luftwaffe! The transformation from a famous old city into Legoland is almost complete! I'd imagine tourists around the world are planning their visits right now! @henry2 - why would we want to be identical to Bristol ? st1halo
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1:46pm Wed 28 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

Another year, same old story. Just get on with it and no shops, cinemas or hotels.
Another year, same old story. Just get on with it and no shops, cinemas or hotels. bigfella777
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2:01pm Wed 28 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

Call2Arms wrote:
Yep. Isn't there a huge cinema not 500 yards away? It is not great for the people of Southampton. It is another group of business's gathered together to enable us to spend more money. Surely we have all that already ? Then again it does have trees, so that will make all the difference. These shops and restaurants will open and others around the city not in the complex will close. What's the point ?
The point is they have demand to take the space. Most of the national restaurant operators have not come into the town centre as there has been nowhere for them to go. They want to be linked to the daytime retail spend and have a next generation digital cinema to provide a nightime anchor.

Everyone goes on about the suposed wonderful leisure offer at Gunwharf Quays yet when someone is interested in providing a £70m leisure offer in Southampton we get a series of hilarious gripes. Not that anyone seems to have any other realistic ideas for the site.

Indipendent restaurant are well catered for around Bedford Place and Oxford Street. This will offer something the city centre is lacking.

The post regarding Bristol is correct, the development has been very well recieved and trades well yet other areas (whiteladies road etc) have not seen their trade fall off a cliff.
[quote][p][bold]Call2Arms[/bold] wrote: Yep. Isn't there a huge cinema not 500 yards away? It is not great for the people of Southampton. It is another group of business's gathered together to enable us to spend more money. Surely we have all that already ? Then again it does have trees, so that will make all the difference. These shops and restaurants will open and others around the city not in the complex will close. What's the point ?[/p][/quote]The point is they have demand to take the space. Most of the national restaurant operators have not come into the town centre as there has been nowhere for them to go. They want to be linked to the daytime retail spend and have a next generation digital cinema to provide a nightime anchor. Everyone goes on about the suposed wonderful leisure offer at Gunwharf Quays yet when someone is interested in providing a £70m leisure offer in Southampton we get a series of hilarious gripes. Not that anyone seems to have any other realistic ideas for the site. Indipendent restaurant are well catered for around Bedford Place and Oxford Street. This will offer something the city centre is lacking. The post regarding Bristol is correct, the development has been very well recieved and trades well yet other areas (whiteladies road etc) have not seen their trade fall off a cliff. elvisimo
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2:08pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

You mean to say, there will be no ice rink!? OMG!?
You mean to say, there will be no ice rink!? OMG!? Subject48
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4:05pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Are all the staff going to be local then not the eastern europeans cheap labour then!
Are all the staff going to be local then not the eastern europeans cheap labour then! Fatty x Ford Worker
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5:14pm Wed 28 Nov 12

Boatman says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Are all the staff going to be local then not the eastern europeans cheap labour then!
Why would Eastern Europeans on National Minimum wage be cheaper than locals on National Minimum Wage?
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: Are all the staff going to be local then not the eastern europeans cheap labour then![/p][/quote]Why would Eastern Europeans on National Minimum wage be cheaper than locals on National Minimum Wage? Boatman
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9:36pm Wed 28 Nov 12

loosehead says...

i was told 5 years ago that leisure world was shutting down but it was held up due to the financial state of the country.
Well If I'm correct this comes under West Quay?
So will they be replacing the night clubs as well?
i was told 5 years ago that leisure world was shutting down but it was held up due to the financial state of the country. Well If I'm correct this comes under West Quay? So will they be replacing the night clubs as well? loosehead
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7:07am Thu 29 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

loosehead wrote:
i was told 5 years ago that leisure world was shutting down but it was held up due to the financial state of the country. Well If I'm correct this comes under West Quay? So will they be replacing the night clubs as well?
no. UBS own Leisureworld and the tenants they have in place will be there long term.
No nightclub in the new scheme as doesnt sit well with a family offer, plus there are pretty much no national nightclub operators in the market.
If they get this right, which they probably will from their track record, thins will be a great scheme.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: i was told 5 years ago that leisure world was shutting down but it was held up due to the financial state of the country. Well If I'm correct this comes under West Quay? So will they be replacing the night clubs as well?[/p][/quote]no. UBS own Leisureworld and the tenants they have in place will be there long term. No nightclub in the new scheme as doesnt sit well with a family offer, plus there are pretty much no national nightclub operators in the market. If they get this right, which they probably will from their track record, thins will be a great scheme. elvisimo
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8:04am Thu 29 Nov 12

loosehead says...

elvisimo wrote:
loosehead wrote:
i was told 5 years ago that leisure world was shutting down but it was held up due to the financial state of the country. Well If I'm correct this comes under West Quay? So will they be replacing the night clubs as well?
no. UBS own Leisureworld and the tenants they have in place will be there long term.
No nightclub in the new scheme as doesnt sit well with a family offer, plus there are pretty much no national nightclub operators in the market.
If they get this right, which they probably will from their track record, thins will be a great scheme.
If your right then why more picture houses?
surely this would see the closure of the picture houses in Leisure World or make both unviable?
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: i was told 5 years ago that leisure world was shutting down but it was held up due to the financial state of the country. Well If I'm correct this comes under West Quay? So will they be replacing the night clubs as well?[/p][/quote]no. UBS own Leisureworld and the tenants they have in place will be there long term. No nightclub in the new scheme as doesnt sit well with a family offer, plus there are pretty much no national nightclub operators in the market. If they get this right, which they probably will from their track record, thins will be a great scheme.[/p][/quote]If your right then why more picture houses? surely this would see the closure of the picture houses in Leisure World or make both unviable? loosehead
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8:36am Thu 29 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

loosehead wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
loosehead wrote: i was told 5 years ago that leisure world was shutting down but it was held up due to the financial state of the country. Well If I'm correct this comes under West Quay? So will they be replacing the night clubs as well?
no. UBS own Leisureworld and the tenants they have in place will be there long term. No nightclub in the new scheme as doesnt sit well with a family offer, plus there are pretty much no national nightclub operators in the market. If they get this right, which they probably will from their track record, thins will be a great scheme.
If your right then why more picture houses? surely this would see the closure of the picture houses in Leisure World or make both unviable?
Remember that leisure word cinema is 14 years old. Things have moved on in terms of digital screens, imax screen. In a city the size of southamptons there will be enough for both to go at.
It also provides an anchor for the restaurants at night. - Odeon was hitting north of 500k admissions yet the catering offer in Leisure World is very poor. This will see the likes of Carluccios, Cote, Barsserie Blanc come into the town. Not high price operators but pretty good offers. it will extend the trading hours of the central core but will also offer something right in the middle of town that isnt wet led.

One of the principle issue with the leisure world developments is that familys going to cinemas or to eat are at odds with people going for a lively night out which is whay several of these schemes have had to be completely reconfigured. Leisure World will have to evolve.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: i was told 5 years ago that leisure world was shutting down but it was held up due to the financial state of the country. Well If I'm correct this comes under West Quay? So will they be replacing the night clubs as well?[/p][/quote]no. UBS own Leisureworld and the tenants they have in place will be there long term. No nightclub in the new scheme as doesnt sit well with a family offer, plus there are pretty much no national nightclub operators in the market. If they get this right, which they probably will from their track record, thins will be a great scheme.[/p][/quote]If your right then why more picture houses? surely this would see the closure of the picture houses in Leisure World or make both unviable?[/p][/quote]Remember that leisure word cinema is 14 years old. Things have moved on in terms of digital screens, imax screen. In a city the size of southamptons there will be enough for both to go at. It also provides an anchor for the restaurants at night. - Odeon was hitting north of 500k admissions yet the catering offer in Leisure World is very poor. This will see the likes of Carluccios, Cote, Barsserie Blanc come into the town. Not high price operators but pretty good offers. it will extend the trading hours of the central core but will also offer something right in the middle of town that isnt wet led. One of the principle issue with the leisure world developments is that familys going to cinemas or to eat are at odds with people going for a lively night out which is whay several of these schemes have had to be completely reconfigured. Leisure World will have to evolve. elvisimo
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12:42pm Thu 29 Nov 12

RadicalEmu says...

Boatman wrote:
Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
Are all the staff going to be local then not the eastern europeans cheap labour then!
Why would Eastern Europeans on National Minimum wage be cheaper than locals on National Minimum Wage?
More to the point, if they live in Southampton they ARE local!
[quote][p][bold]Boatman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: Are all the staff going to be local then not the eastern europeans cheap labour then![/p][/quote]Why would Eastern Europeans on National Minimum wage be cheaper than locals on National Minimum Wage?[/p][/quote]More to the point, if they live in Southampton they ARE local! RadicalEmu
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5:12pm Thu 29 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

AD1234 wrote:
For those unfamiliar with Southampton, allow me to translate.

"posh and family eateries" - the former provide knives & forks.

“aspirational” restaurants - establishments which hope to avoid drunken fights after 9pm.

"giant 24-storey residential tower overlooking the waterfront" - accommodation for single mums on benefits.

Welcome, Hammerson, to Gotham City.
Or, things could just stay the same with Southampton as one of the crappest cities in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: For those unfamiliar with Southampton, allow me to translate. "posh and family eateries" - the former provide knives & forks. “aspirational” restaurants - establishments which hope to avoid drunken fights after 9pm. "giant 24-storey residential tower overlooking the waterfront" - accommodation for single mums on benefits. Welcome, Hammerson, to Gotham City.[/p][/quote]Or, things could just stay the same with Southampton as one of the crappest cities in the UK. kingnotail
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5:21pm Thu 29 Nov 12

kingnotail says...

st1halo wrote:
And the good councils of Southampton continue the work started by the Luftwaffe!
The transformation from a famous old city into Legoland is almost complete! I'd imagine tourists around the world are planning their visits right now!

@henry2 - why would we want to be identical to Bristol ?
Bristol is one of the most attractive and exciting cities in the UK, with innumerable tourist attractions, places to eat, drink etc. In contrast Southamton is one of the most boring, with literally f**k all to see or do.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: And the good councils of Southampton continue the work started by the Luftwaffe! The transformation from a famous old city into Legoland is almost complete! I'd imagine tourists around the world are planning their visits right now! @henry2 - why would we want to be identical to Bristol ?[/p][/quote]Bristol is one of the most attractive and exciting cities in the UK, with innumerable tourist attractions, places to eat, drink etc. In contrast Southamton is one of the most boring, with literally f**k all to see or do. kingnotail
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