Shops sold booze to underage youngsters

Off-licences sold booze to underage youngsters

Off-licences sold booze to underage youngsters

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Reporter

Four off-licences in Southampton were caught selling alcohol to underage youngsters in a police sting.

Two youths aged under 18, under the watchful eye of plain clothes police officers, were sent into a selection of off-licences in Bitterne to see if they could buy any alcohol.

Of the seven shops they went into the pair managed to successfully buy an alcoholic drink from four of them.

They were Laly's Costcutter in Thornhill Park Road, Co-op in Hinkler Road, Alpine News in Vanguard Road, and London Off-licence, St Catherine's Road, Bitterne Park.

The four shop assistants who sold the booze have been given £80 fixed penalty notices.

The other three - the Co-op in Midanbury Broadway, the Co-op in West End Road and the Premier Parade in Forest Hills Drive - passed the test.

PC Lou Carter of Hampshire Police who led the operation said: “It was disappointing that more shops failed than passed in our test purchase operation.

"All off-licences should be checking ages of people if they are not obviously over 18 and asking for proof.

“We recommend they actually extend this to anyone who looks under 25.

“We will be speaking with the owners of the shops who failed and making recommendations to them about such things as staff training to make sure they don't fail again.

"Shops that continually do fail are likely to have their licence taken away.”

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8:47am Thu 13 Dec 12

MGRA says...

The shops should be closed down. Its as simple as that. Forced to close for 7 days, then if the offence is repeated in the future then forced to close for 21 days etc etc etc £80 fine is pathetic.
The shops should be closed down. Its as simple as that. Forced to close for 7 days, then if the offence is repeated in the future then forced to close for 21 days etc etc etc £80 fine is pathetic. MGRA
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8:47am Thu 13 Dec 12

Avery T Decanary says...

As far as I am concerned, I think their licence to sell alcohol should be revoked for a minimum of three months as well as a fine. A second offence, licence lost - permanently.
As far as I am concerned, I think their licence to sell alcohol should be revoked for a minimum of three months as well as a fine. A second offence, licence lost - permanently. Avery T Decanary
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9:05am Thu 13 Dec 12

davel_cats says...

I agree with the other comments: £80 is nothing these days - those fined probably spend that amount on a night out in town anyway. If the shops were breaking the law - which they were - they should have their licence to sell alcohol taken away - end of. Under-age drinking is a curse on modern British life and needs to be rooted out.
I agree with the other comments: £80 is nothing these days - those fined probably spend that amount on a night out in town anyway. If the shops were breaking the law - which they were - they should have their licence to sell alcohol taken away - end of. Under-age drinking is a curse on modern British life and needs to be rooted out. davel_cats
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9:47am Thu 13 Dec 12

sarfhamton says...

I remember the Old Wine Market in Bishopstoke, we used to get served from about 15.

Happy days.
I remember the Old Wine Market in Bishopstoke, we used to get served from about 15. Happy days. sarfhamton
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9:58am Thu 13 Dec 12

elvisimo says...

Avery T Decanary wrote:
As far as I am concerned, I think their licence to sell alcohol should be revoked for a minimum of three months as well as a fine. A second offence, licence lost - permanently.
Agreed - ideal solution.
[quote][p][bold]Avery T Decanary[/bold] wrote: As far as I am concerned, I think their licence to sell alcohol should be revoked for a minimum of three months as well as a fine. A second offence, licence lost - permanently.[/p][/quote]Agreed - ideal solution. elvisimo
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10:28am Thu 13 Dec 12

hulla baloo says...

Given that they have only given a fine, it seems they were after revenue, and not punishment.
Given that they have only given a fine, it seems they were after revenue, and not punishment. hulla baloo
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10:38am Thu 13 Dec 12

Lockssmart says...

Police xmas ball is approaching. Get the fines in quick!
Police xmas ball is approaching. Get the fines in quick! Lockssmart
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10:55am Thu 13 Dec 12

wacky44 says...

I disagree with some of the comments above. A £80 fine to the cashier can be a lot of money, especially for someone who is possibly part-time. I have never been caught myself but I know a few people who have. If the cashier uses Think 25, they will not get caught...simple!
I disagree with some of the comments above. A £80 fine to the cashier can be a lot of money, especially for someone who is possibly part-time. I have never been caught myself but I know a few people who have. If the cashier uses Think 25, they will not get caught...simple! wacky44
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10:59am Thu 13 Dec 12

Dusty says...

The New Forest have a scheme run by the council, if you don't look 21 you wont be served with out ID. My wife works for the co op and i know the company is hot about under-age selling. The staff know the rules, its there job and if they are negligent they pay the price. As i do as a lorry driver caught speeding etc.
The New Forest have a scheme run by the council, if you don't look 21 you wont be served with out ID. My wife works for the co op and i know the company is hot about under-age selling. The staff know the rules, its there job and if they are negligent they pay the price. As i do as a lorry driver caught speeding etc. Dusty
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11:04am Thu 13 Dec 12

sparkster says...

I think anyone selling alcohol to underage people should be closed til they comply. I work in a shop which doesnt sell alcohol but i think the same applies to tobacco i always ask for id if they cant produce any no sale full stop, for all i know trading standards could be asking kids to come in to see if they are sold tobacco, my bosses would get a hefty fine. As Dusty rightly says the staff know the rules or should do
I think anyone selling alcohol to underage people should be closed til they comply. I work in a shop which doesnt sell alcohol but i think the same applies to tobacco i always ask for id if they cant produce any no sale full stop, for all i know trading standards could be asking kids to come in to see if they are sold tobacco, my bosses would get a hefty fine. As Dusty rightly says the staff know the rules or should do sparkster
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11:40am Thu 13 Dec 12

Donald2000 says...

My thoughts as to how they got caught were that a youngster was deliberately sent in to purchase alcohol whilst the police stood there; otherwise how would they know who purchased alcohol at below the age limit? This smells to me of entrapment. If so, that is not good police work.
My thoughts as to how they got caught were that a youngster was deliberately sent in to purchase alcohol whilst the police stood there; otherwise how would they know who purchased alcohol at below the age limit? This smells to me of entrapment. If so, that is not good police work. Donald2000
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11:42am Thu 13 Dec 12

myownopinion says...

Why should the shop be closed down or lose its licence? There is no evidence that it was a common occurrance. The cashier has been fined, a lot of money if your a part time worker. I expect they will be more vigilant in the future to avoid a repeat.
Why should the shop be closed down or lose its licence? There is no evidence that it was a common occurrance. The cashier has been fined, a lot of money if your a part time worker. I expect they will be more vigilant in the future to avoid a repeat. myownopinion
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12:40pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Inform Al says...

Only guessing, but I will be surprised if the staff in my local Co-op were not at times put under pressure by local youngsters who know who they are and where they live. Perhaps stores that sell booze should have a policy of not placing locals in their stores.
Only guessing, but I will be surprised if the staff in my local Co-op were not at times put under pressure by local youngsters who know who they are and where they live. Perhaps stores that sell booze should have a policy of not placing locals in their stores. Inform Al
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3:16pm Thu 13 Dec 12

bazzeroz says...

NONE of those shops are in BITTERNE!! Thornhill, Bitterne Park and Midanbury.
NONE of those shops are in BITTERNE!! Thornhill, Bitterne Park and Midanbury. bazzeroz
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4:23pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Over the Edge says...

bazzeroz wrote:
NONE of those shops are in BITTERNE!! Thornhill, Bitterne Park and Midanbury.
Thornhill is in the Bitterne Ward so maybe 2 shops are in theory Bitterne?????

I bet the poor bugger behind the till was gutted £80 fine for them not the shopowners
[quote][p][bold]bazzeroz[/bold] wrote: NONE of those shops are in BITTERNE!! Thornhill, Bitterne Park and Midanbury.[/p][/quote]Thornhill is in the Bitterne Ward so maybe 2 shops are in theory Bitterne????? I bet the poor bugger behind the till was gutted £80 fine for them not the shopowners Over the Edge
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5:05pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Sovietobserver says...

The four guilty shops have been named in this report, but the four shop assistants retain their anonymity, why ?
PC Lou Carter says 'we will be speaking to the owners of the shops',
again no names mentioned - more anonymity- why ?
Whoever holds the alcohol licence usually has their name displayed in the shop stating they are licenced to do so.
So either I, or anybody including DE journalists like Ed Stilliard can visit these four shops and note the four owners names and name and shame them on this site. I might even carry out
some further investigations in the next few hours to reveal the names of the four shop assistants so they will be named and shamed as well. Southampton needs 'cleansing' of all the 'wrongdoing' that infest our neighbourhoods and by doing 'fuels' youth crime. Enough is enough of these 'too soft ' approaches and all persons involved in such illegal activities whoever they are. I would be willing to support any local 'crusade' for 2013 that will improve the lives of Southampton's citizens. We need to report every incident that we see that needs police attention, to inundate them with reports, so that they are provoked into more action .
The four guilty shops have been named in this report, but the four shop assistants retain their anonymity, why ? PC Lou Carter says 'we will be speaking to the owners of the shops', again no names mentioned - more anonymity- why ? Whoever holds the alcohol licence usually has their name displayed in the shop stating they are licenced to do so. So either I, or anybody including DE journalists like Ed Stilliard can visit these four shops and note the four owners names and name and shame them on this site. I might even carry out some further investigations in the next few hours to reveal the names of the four shop assistants so they will be named and shamed as well. Southampton needs 'cleansing' of all the 'wrongdoing' that infest our neighbourhoods and by doing 'fuels' youth crime. Enough is enough of these 'too soft ' approaches and all persons involved in such illegal activities whoever they are. I would be willing to support any local 'crusade' for 2013 that will improve the lives of Southampton's citizens. We need to report every incident that we see that needs police attention, to inundate them with reports, so that they are provoked into more action . Sovietobserver
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7:15pm Thu 13 Dec 12

100%HANTSBOY says...

Sovietobserver wrote:
The four guilty shops have been named in this report, but the four shop assistants retain their anonymity, why ?
PC Lou Carter says 'we will be speaking to the owners of the shops',
again no names mentioned - more anonymity- why ?
Whoever holds the alcohol licence usually has their name displayed in the shop stating they are licenced to do so.
So either I, or anybody including DE journalists like Ed Stilliard can visit these four shops and note the four owners names and name and shame them on this site. I might even carry out
some further investigations in the next few hours to reveal the names of the four shop assistants so they will be named and shamed as well. Southampton needs 'cleansing' of all the 'wrongdoing' that infest our neighbourhoods and by doing 'fuels' youth crime. Enough is enough of these 'too soft ' approaches and all persons involved in such illegal activities whoever they are. I would be willing to support any local 'crusade' for 2013 that will improve the lives of Southampton's citizens. We need to report every incident that we see that needs police attention, to inundate them with reports, so that they are provoked into more action .
I can see your heart is in the right place,but the fines were issued to the assistants not the shop owners/licence holders,so I don't see much point in you doing your private investigations. With reference to the London Off Licence,you'll be lucky to catch an assistant on duty who can actually speak English,so don't bother with this one.
[quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: The four guilty shops have been named in this report, but the four shop assistants retain their anonymity, why ? PC Lou Carter says 'we will be speaking to the owners of the shops', again no names mentioned - more anonymity- why ? Whoever holds the alcohol licence usually has their name displayed in the shop stating they are licenced to do so. So either I, or anybody including DE journalists like Ed Stilliard can visit these four shops and note the four owners names and name and shame them on this site. I might even carry out some further investigations in the next few hours to reveal the names of the four shop assistants so they will be named and shamed as well. Southampton needs 'cleansing' of all the 'wrongdoing' that infest our neighbourhoods and by doing 'fuels' youth crime. Enough is enough of these 'too soft ' approaches and all persons involved in such illegal activities whoever they are. I would be willing to support any local 'crusade' for 2013 that will improve the lives of Southampton's citizens. We need to report every incident that we see that needs police attention, to inundate them with reports, so that they are provoked into more action .[/p][/quote]I can see your heart is in the right place,but the fines were issued to the assistants not the shop owners/licence holders,so I don't see much point in you doing your private investigations. With reference to the London Off Licence,you'll be lucky to catch an assistant on duty who can actually speak English,so don't bother with this one. 100%HANTSBOY
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8:45pm Thu 13 Dec 12

Sovietobserver says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Sovietobserver wrote:
The four guilty shops have been named in this report, but the four shop assistants retain their anonymity, why ?
PC Lou Carter says 'we will be speaking to the owners of the shops',
again no names mentioned - more anonymity- why ?
Whoever holds the alcohol licence usually has their name displayed in the shop stating they are licenced to do so.
So either I, or anybody including DE journalists like Ed Stilliard can visit these four shops and note the four owners names and name and shame them on this site. I might even carry out
some further investigations in the next few hours to reveal the names of the four shop assistants so they will be named and shamed as well. Southampton needs 'cleansing' of all the 'wrongdoing' that infest our neighbourhoods and by doing 'fuels' youth crime. Enough is enough of these 'too soft ' approaches and all persons involved in such illegal activities whoever they are. I would be willing to support any local 'crusade' for 2013 that will improve the lives of Southampton's citizens. We need to report every incident that we see that needs police attention, to inundate them with reports, so that they are provoked into more action .
I can see your heart is in the right place,but the fines were issued to the assistants not the shop owners/licence holders,so I don't see much point in you doing your private investigations. With reference to the London Off Licence,you'll be lucky to catch an assistant on duty who can actually speak English,so don't bother with this one.
In your first sentence your remarks are exactly what I am questioning, why the owners / managers are denied to take responsibility for their employees actions which is the norm and for what reason is it not in these cases.Has the law been manipulated especially for off-licences. Is this written into their contracts of employment, and are they aware if it is or not, or was it discussed with them before the event.
Yes I am fully aware of the ethnicity of the 'London off-licence 2' premises, and on my visit I will be accompanied by a female interpreter posing as my grandaughter who is fully conversant in both Turkish and Kurdish to fulfil a successful outcome, so yes, I will be bothering.
Thank you for your concerns and reading my post in its entirety.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sovietobserver[/bold] wrote: The four guilty shops have been named in this report, but the four shop assistants retain their anonymity, why ? PC Lou Carter says 'we will be speaking to the owners of the shops', again no names mentioned - more anonymity- why ? Whoever holds the alcohol licence usually has their name displayed in the shop stating they are licenced to do so. So either I, or anybody including DE journalists like Ed Stilliard can visit these four shops and note the four owners names and name and shame them on this site. I might even carry out some further investigations in the next few hours to reveal the names of the four shop assistants so they will be named and shamed as well. Southampton needs 'cleansing' of all the 'wrongdoing' that infest our neighbourhoods and by doing 'fuels' youth crime. Enough is enough of these 'too soft ' approaches and all persons involved in such illegal activities whoever they are. I would be willing to support any local 'crusade' for 2013 that will improve the lives of Southampton's citizens. We need to report every incident that we see that needs police attention, to inundate them with reports, so that they are provoked into more action .[/p][/quote]I can see your heart is in the right place,but the fines were issued to the assistants not the shop owners/licence holders,so I don't see much point in you doing your private investigations. With reference to the London Off Licence,you'll be lucky to catch an assistant on duty who can actually speak English,so don't bother with this one.[/p][/quote]In your first sentence your remarks are exactly what I am questioning, why the owners / managers are denied to take responsibility for their employees actions which is the norm and for what reason is it not in these cases.Has the law been manipulated especially for off-licences. Is this written into their contracts of employment, and are they aware if it is or not, or was it discussed with them before the event. Yes I am fully aware of the ethnicity of the 'London off-licence 2' premises, and on my visit I will be accompanied by a female interpreter posing as my grandaughter who is fully conversant in both Turkish and Kurdish to fulfil a successful outcome, so yes, I will be bothering. Thank you for your concerns and reading my post in its entirety. Sovietobserver
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