I was bullied for being a lesbian

Daily Echo: Victoria Munro Victoria Munro

A HAMPSHIRE teenager has spoken of the nightmare she suffered at the hands of bullies- because she is lesbian.


Victoria Munro, 17, has revealed how school bullies called her names, tried to push her off her bike and even harassed her online leaving her so low she tried to take an overdose.


The teen, now an English student at college, even overheard a former school teacher say she should not have come out if she did not want to be bullied.


But now Victoria is celebrating after having her first novel Kiss Chase published which she hopes will help stamp out homophobic bullies by raising awareness of the effect they have on their victims.

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2:35pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Linesman says...

How interesting.

I suppose she will be in a local bookshop signing copies of her book.

Not so much a story, more a case of a bit of advertising for her book.
How interesting. I suppose she will be in a local bookshop signing copies of her book. Not so much a story, more a case of a bit of advertising for her book. Linesman
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3:35pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

It's to try and help people, not advertising, the reason the book was written was to help people.
It's to try and help people, not advertising, the reason the book was written was to help people. Victoria8
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4:21pm Tue 18 Dec 12

RedDan says...

Good luck to you. It's sad that it's nearly 2013 & people still have to deal with such abuse, and for something that one has no control over. I hope that one day when you get married, by then you'll be able to have a proper marriage as opposed to a civil partnership.
Good luck to you. It's sad that it's nearly 2013 & people still have to deal with such abuse, and for something that one has no control over. I hope that one day when you get married, by then you'll be able to have a proper marriage as opposed to a civil partnership. RedDan
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4:33pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Facewagon says...

eurogordi wrote:
Considering Victoria attended a school where a male teacher is going through a gender reassignment programme, I am extremely surprised that she was bullied at school and that the teachers were unsympathetic towards her sexuality.

However, I also believe that teenagers experience mixed emotions concerning sexuality throughout their teens and that 12 or 17 is far too young to make such a decision.

Sadly, we live in a society where gay is seen as okay, causing confusion and uncertainty to younger people who will say one thing without having fully discovered their true identity.
Why is it unfortunate that 'gay is seen as okay'? Would you rather that being gay was seen as wrong? What would that achieve? How would that stop the confusion you refer to? What effect would that have on teenagers who think they might be gay?

The really unfortunate thing is that some people think it's okay to torment others because they're different.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Considering Victoria attended a school where a male teacher is going through a gender reassignment programme, I am extremely surprised that she was bullied at school and that the teachers were unsympathetic towards her sexuality. However, I also believe that teenagers experience mixed emotions concerning sexuality throughout their teens and that 12 or 17 is far too young to make such a decision. Sadly, we live in a society where gay is seen as okay, causing confusion and uncertainty to younger people who will say one thing without having fully discovered their true identity.[/p][/quote]Why is it unfortunate that 'gay is seen as okay'? Would you rather that being gay was seen as wrong? What would that achieve? How would that stop the confusion you refer to? What effect would that have on teenagers who think they might be gay? The really unfortunate thing is that some people think it's okay to torment others because they're different. Facewagon
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4:33pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Facewagon says...

eurogordi wrote:
Considering Victoria attended a school where a male teacher is going through a gender reassignment programme, I am extremely surprised that she was bullied at school and that the teachers were unsympathetic towards her sexuality.

However, I also believe that teenagers experience mixed emotions concerning sexuality throughout their teens and that 12 or 17 is far too young to make such a decision.

Sadly, we live in a society where gay is seen as okay, causing confusion and uncertainty to younger people who will say one thing without having fully discovered their true identity.
Why is it unfortunate that 'gay is seen as okay'? Would you rather that being gay was seen as wrong? What would that achieve? How would that stop the confusion you refer to? What effect would that have on teenagers who think they might be gay?

The really unfortunate thing is that some people think it's okay to torment others because they're different.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Considering Victoria attended a school where a male teacher is going through a gender reassignment programme, I am extremely surprised that she was bullied at school and that the teachers were unsympathetic towards her sexuality. However, I also believe that teenagers experience mixed emotions concerning sexuality throughout their teens and that 12 or 17 is far too young to make such a decision. Sadly, we live in a society where gay is seen as okay, causing confusion and uncertainty to younger people who will say one thing without having fully discovered their true identity.[/p][/quote]Why is it unfortunate that 'gay is seen as okay'? Would you rather that being gay was seen as wrong? What would that achieve? How would that stop the confusion you refer to? What effect would that have on teenagers who think they might be gay? The really unfortunate thing is that some people think it's okay to torment others because they're different. Facewagon
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4:38pm Tue 18 Dec 12

aldermoorboy says...

Good luck Victoria
Good luck Victoria aldermoorboy
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4:47pm Tue 18 Dec 12

sarfhamton says...

Its a shame that a brave young woman who has bothered to do something constructive is not only bullied but has to face some of the numb skull comments on this site
Its a shame that a brave young woman who has bothered to do something constructive is not only bullied but has to face some of the numb skull comments on this site sarfhamton
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5:14pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Blabbermouth says...

I agree with sarfhamton. Best of luck to you, Victoria. It would suggest it was the overheard teacher trying to justify her comment.
I agree with sarfhamton. Best of luck to you, Victoria. It would suggest it was the overheard teacher trying to justify her comment. Blabbermouth
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5:27pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Beer Monster says...

Seconded, good luck Victoria, education is the best way to help people understand the differences we have in society.

Just a shame that some are so blinkered against thinking about things in a different light.
Seconded, good luck Victoria, education is the best way to help people understand the differences we have in society. Just a shame that some are so blinkered against thinking about things in a different light. Beer Monster
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5:38pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

I don't see why people can't know they are gay at 12 or 17, and it is a fortunate thing we live in a society where gay is OK, where being who you are is OK. Going to a school where there is a transgender teacher does not stop bullying or ignorance from occurring.
I don't see why people can't know they are gay at 12 or 17, and it is a fortunate thing we live in a society where gay is OK, where being who you are is OK. Going to a school where there is a transgender teacher does not stop bullying or ignorance from occurring. Victoria8
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6:35pm Tue 18 Dec 12

eurogordi says...

Sexuality is extremely complex and comes with understanding and maturity. It should not be forced upon people of any age by society or the media.

It is totally natural for adolescent teenagers to experience an attraction towards those of the same sex, as well as those of the opposite sex. This may sometimes be displayed in physical intimacy.

However, I do not believe it is right for young people to be told that it is okay to be gay when those same young people are still in the process of exploring and understanding their true identity.

I have worked with young people for many years. It concerns me that some are now adults who are very confused sexually because they were told to accept that they were gay or straight to satisfy political correctness rather than recognise themselves for who they really are.
Sexuality is extremely complex and comes with understanding and maturity. It should not be forced upon people of any age by society or the media. It is totally natural for adolescent teenagers to experience an attraction towards those of the same sex, as well as those of the opposite sex. This may sometimes be displayed in physical intimacy. However, I do not believe it is right for young people to be told that it is okay to be gay when those same young people are still in the process of exploring and understanding their true identity. I have worked with young people for many years. It concerns me that some are now adults who are very confused sexually because they were told to accept that they were gay or straight to satisfy political correctness rather than recognise themselves for who they really are. eurogordi
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6:56pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

People know who they are, when they are. Also-how did you know what school Victoria went to?
People know who they are, when they are. Also-how did you know what school Victoria went to? Victoria8
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7:11pm Tue 18 Dec 12

bigfella777 says...

If she needs a shoulder to cry on, I am here for her.
If she needs a shoulder to cry on, I am here for her. bigfella777
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7:23pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

eurogordi

What a moron! "I don't think people can know that they're gay at 12 or 17." ****; one of my best friends knew he was gay when he was five!
eurogordi What a moron! "I don't think people can know that they're gay at 12 or 17." ****; one of my best friends knew he was gay when he was five! Victoria8
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7:30pm Tue 18 Dec 12

eurogordi says...

Victoria8 wrote:
People know who they are, when they are. Also-how did you know what school Victoria went to?
Process of elimination by using the information provided in the full Daily Echo report and over hearing conversations in a local supermarket.

I have not mentioned the school anywhere in my comments, but from the question you ask I would guess that I am correct.

Although our views may differ, please be very careful when speaking to the press if you do not want people to speak about you in public places.
[quote][p][bold]Victoria8[/bold] wrote: People know who they are, when they are. Also-how did you know what school Victoria went to?[/p][/quote]Process of elimination by using the information provided in the full Daily Echo report and over hearing conversations in a local supermarket. I have not mentioned the school anywhere in my comments, but from the question you ask I would guess that I am correct. Although our views may differ, please be very careful when speaking to the press if you do not want people to speak about you in public places. eurogordi
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7:34pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

I don't mind people talking about me I just wondered how you knew what school I used to go to. What were the conversations then?
I don't mind people talking about me I just wondered how you knew what school I used to go to. What were the conversations then? Victoria8
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7:54pm Tue 18 Dec 12

eurogordi says...

Victoria8 wrote:
I don't mind people talking about me I just wondered how you knew what school I used to go to. What were the conversations then?
Nothing bad about you, but some negative comments towards the school for being two faced when it comes to staff and pupils. I guess some of those talking knew you or your family.

I tend to agree, because if the school did not support you then it seems hypocritical of them to then support a teacher who was also coming to terms with personal sexuality.

I know we disagree on some of the finer issues of your stories, but NO ONE should be bullied by anyone and that includes you.
[quote][p][bold]Victoria8[/bold] wrote: I don't mind people talking about me I just wondered how you knew what school I used to go to. What were the conversations then?[/p][/quote]Nothing bad about you, but some negative comments towards the school for being two faced when it comes to staff and pupils. I guess some of those talking knew you or your family. I tend to agree, because if the school did not support you then it seems hypocritical of them to then support a teacher who was also coming to terms with personal sexuality. I know we disagree on some of the finer issues of your stories, but NO ONE should be bullied by anyone and that includes you. eurogordi
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7:57pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

Oh okay, I guess the school have to take it more seriously if it is a teacher rather than a pupil. When did you hear these comments because the article wasn't out until today?
Oh okay, I guess the school have to take it more seriously if it is a teacher rather than a pupil. When did you hear these comments because the article wasn't out until today? Victoria8
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8:04pm Tue 18 Dec 12

eurogordi says...

Early/mid afternoon today ... is the story in the printed paper too?

And why should schools take teachers more seriously than pupils?
Early/mid afternoon today ... is the story in the printed paper too? And why should schools take teachers more seriously than pupils? eurogordi
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8:07pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

Yes the story is in the printed paper, I guess people read it and were speaking about how the school had a positive reaction to a transgender teacher but a negative reaction to a gay pupil.

And they shouldn't really-I'm not saying I wished they'd taken the teacher's case less seriously, but that they'd taken mine more seriously.
Yes the story is in the printed paper, I guess people read it and were speaking about how the school had a positive reaction to a transgender teacher but a negative reaction to a gay pupil. And they shouldn't really-I'm not saying I wished they'd taken the teacher's case less seriously, but that they'd taken mine more seriously. Victoria8
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8:10pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

It's really annoying me not knowing who you are now 'eurogordi'....
It's really annoying me not knowing who you are now 'eurogordi'.... Victoria8
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8:31pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Sir Ad E Noid says...

Victoria8 wrote:
It's really annoying me not knowing who you are now 'eurogordi'....
Oh dear, you are annoyed. Just because he won't reveal his real name.
[quote][p][bold]Victoria8[/bold] wrote: It's really annoying me not knowing who you are now 'eurogordi'....[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you are annoyed. Just because he won't reveal his real name. Sir Ad E Noid
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8:36pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

Well yeah as you seem to know a lot about all this. Kinda creepy. So it's a him then, maybe this is all a big hoax? Don't why I stooped low enough and started to debate with 'him'!
Well yeah as you seem to know a lot about all this. Kinda creepy. So it's a him then, maybe this is all a big hoax? Don't why I stooped low enough and started to debate with 'him'! Victoria8
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9:10pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

Personally, I find it rather odd that anyone would say that a person at age twelve or age seventeen or any age, for that matter, is "too young" to know what their sexuality is; I have gay friends who knew when they were four or five that they were "different" from others their age, and they became aware of what that difference was while still nine or ten, let alone twelve or seventeen. While it may not be the strangest thing in the world for a congenitally straight person to have "feelings" for someone of their own sex when they are a young teenager, it ISN'T common for said straight person to actually fall in love with someone of their own sex--not if they really are straight. I find it further odd for someone who claims to have "worked with young people for a long time" to seriously feel that teenagers cannot know who they are and are not attracted to; the teenage years are when sexuality fully develops. I do not know ANYONE who did not KNOW who they were and were not sexually drawn to by the time they were fifteen at the most, and I don't think it had anything to do with confusion over being politically correct. I cannot imagine that a person who is straight would allow him- or herself to be "confused" into thinking that they were gay if they were not. This has not traditionally been a trait that people have desired to have, PARTICULARLY given the teasing, tormenting, bullying, and even killing that frequently goes along with said status becoming public knowledge; I believe that if a person in this society is straight, they probably do everything they can to confirm that status, not deny it, and it strikes me as extremely unlikely that anyone who is straight would "decide" that they were gay based on one isolated "coming-of-age" incidence of feeling something particularly strong for someone of their own sex.

I find it most odd of all that someone could possibly know what school "Victoria" went to just from "process of elimination" or from "hearing about it in the supermarket," as well as know that that particular school had a transgender teacher; something is telling me that you have a much more personal connection to "Victoria" and her school than just a wild guess taken based on the above situations. The article did mention a teacher--someone who "has worked with young people for a long time"--who said to another that if "Victoria" didn't wish to be bullied, she shouldn't have come out. Perhaps this is slightly more than a coincidence--or perhaps not, but I cannot help but think these things peculiar, given all the collective information here. The very admittance of a feeling that it is "a shame" that people are growing up today "feeling that it is okay to be gay" draws somewhat of a conclusion that you and "this teacher" at the very least have a great deal in common--perhaps so much so that it is possible that we are talking about the same person here. I have no way of knowing this, of course, but it occurs to me that you, likewise, have no way of knowing "Victoria's" school through some sort of osmosis acquired from supermarket conversation or process of elimination.

I have no problem whatsoever with people discussing me, as I did agree to go public with my story, and despite what you seem to believe, I am not ignorant of the influence of the press when it comes to a person's life history being published for general knowledge. What I DO have a problem with is someone, after hearing the less than stellar details of that story, still maintaining an attitude of prejudice and lack of acceptance of someone who is different and who wishes to help others deal with their differences, if they exist. Anyone who seriously believes that I agreed to be interviewed for this article just to publicize a book that I wrote for the primary purpose of helping other people is deluded about my motives, to say the least, and, even though I know you don't need it, I give you my full permission to avoid reading my book, as you do not seem to empathize at all with the characters, the situation, or the very real problems inherent in this story. Forgive me for being blunt, but you are not the type of person I wrote the book for, so I do not expect any fan mail from you, nor do I care particularly if you do not wish to read it. I only care--and sympathize--with these "young people (you) have worked with for a long time," as they obviously have little if any support from you should they happen to be gay. And despite what you think, I believe I can guarantee that these people are fully aware of who and what they are, and that the help they need to learn to accept and rejoice in themselves for BEING themselves is out there, in other sources than just my book, and I hope they will find it, as you do not seem willing to give it to them yourself if you consider them too ignorant, at their age, to know themselves.
Personally, I find it rather odd that anyone would say that a person at age twelve or age seventeen or any age, for that matter, is "too young" to know what their sexuality is; I have gay friends who knew when they were four or five that they were "different" from others their age, and they became aware of what that difference was while still nine or ten, let alone twelve or seventeen. While it may not be the strangest thing in the world for a congenitally straight person to have "feelings" for someone of their own sex when they are a young teenager, it ISN'T common for said straight person to actually fall in love with someone of their own sex--not if they really are straight. I find it further odd for someone who claims to have "worked with young people for a long time" to seriously feel that teenagers cannot know who they are and are not attracted to; the teenage years are when sexuality fully develops. I do not know ANYONE who did not KNOW who they were and were not sexually drawn to by the time they were fifteen at the most, and I don't think it had anything to do with confusion over being politically correct. I cannot imagine that a person who is straight would allow him- or herself to be "confused" into thinking that they were gay if they were not. This has not traditionally been a trait that people have desired to have, PARTICULARLY given the teasing, tormenting, bullying, and even killing that frequently goes along with said status becoming public knowledge; I believe that if a person in this society is straight, they probably do everything they can to confirm that status, not deny it, and it strikes me as extremely unlikely that anyone who is straight would "decide" that they were gay based on one isolated "coming-of-age" incidence of feeling something particularly strong for someone of their own sex. I find it most odd of all that someone could possibly know what school "Victoria" went to just from "process of elimination" or from "hearing about it in the supermarket," as well as know that that particular school had a transgender teacher; something is telling me that you have a much more personal connection to "Victoria" and her school than just a wild guess taken based on the above situations. The article did mention a teacher--someone who "has worked with young people for a long time"--who said to another that if "Victoria" didn't wish to be bullied, she shouldn't have come out. Perhaps this is slightly more than a coincidence--or perhaps not, but I cannot help but think these things peculiar, given all the collective information here. The very admittance of a feeling that it is "a shame" that people are growing up today "feeling that it is okay to be gay" draws somewhat of a conclusion that you and "this teacher" at the very least have a great deal in common--perhaps so much so that it is possible that we are talking about the same person here. I have no way of knowing this, of course, but it occurs to me that you, likewise, have no way of knowing "Victoria's" school through some sort of osmosis acquired from supermarket conversation or process of elimination. I have no problem whatsoever with people discussing me, as I did agree to go public with my story, and despite what you seem to believe, I am not ignorant of the influence of the press when it comes to a person's life history being published for general knowledge. What I DO have a problem with is someone, after hearing the less than stellar details of that story, still maintaining an attitude of prejudice and lack of acceptance of someone who is different and who wishes to help others deal with their differences, if they exist. Anyone who seriously believes that I agreed to be interviewed for this article just to publicize a book that I wrote for the primary purpose of helping other people is deluded about my motives, to say the least, and, even though I know you don't need it, I give you my full permission to avoid reading my book, as you do not seem to empathize at all with the characters, the situation, or the very real problems inherent in this story. Forgive me for being blunt, but you are not the type of person I wrote the book for, so I do not expect any fan mail from you, nor do I care particularly if you do not wish to read it. I only care--and sympathize--with these "young people (you) have worked with for a long time," as they obviously have little if any support from you should they happen to be gay. And despite what you think, I believe I can guarantee that these people are fully aware of who and what they are, and that the help they need to learn to accept and rejoice in themselves for BEING themselves is out there, in other sources than just my book, and I hope they will find it, as you do not seem willing to give it to them yourself if you consider them too ignorant, at their age, to know themselves. Victoria8
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9:22pm Tue 18 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Victoria how did they know you were gay?
I had to wear shorts to school right up to my last year & I got picked on.
Kids that were fat get picked on or seen to be weak get picked on so why give them something to pick on you?
You didn't have to have a boyfriend you could have just got on with life left school & then come out couldn't you have?
I have a ex work colleague who is gay & we went to his Barbi he came to our wedding & many of my so called friends wouldn't go if he was so I told them I didn't want them & would much rather he was there than them.
But Victoria he was an adult he didn't give a **** what they thought & he wouldn't be in the paper telling people who he was & what his sexual orientation was.
There are good straight people & there are bad & the same goes for the Gay community you could have left your self wide open to a lot of trouble from that community but I hope you don't & I hope you have a HAPPY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR
Victoria how did they know you were gay? I had to wear shorts to school right up to my last year & I got picked on. Kids that were fat get picked on or seen to be weak get picked on so why give them something to pick on you? You didn't have to have a boyfriend you could have just got on with life left school & then come out couldn't you have? I have a ex work colleague who is gay & we went to his Barbi he came to our wedding & many of my so called friends wouldn't go if he was so I told them I didn't want them & would much rather he was there than them. But Victoria he was an adult he didn't give a **** what they thought & he wouldn't be in the paper telling people who he was & what his sexual orientation was. There are good straight people & there are bad & the same goes for the Gay community you could have left your self wide open to a lot of trouble from that community but I hope you don't & I hope you have a HAPPY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR loosehead
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9:27pm Tue 18 Dec 12

loosehead says...

O)h! by the way Victoria some women & some men who have been heterosexual all their lives end up in a really bad sometimes violent relationship can some times jump ship or as they say end up batting for the other side.
I can't believe that a child of 4 can knowingly know they're gay sorry but unless I'm told otherwise I think that's stretching it a bit to far
O)h! by the way Victoria some women & some men who have been heterosexual all their lives end up in a really bad sometimes violent relationship can some times jump ship or as they say end up batting for the other side. I can't believe that a child of 4 can knowingly know they're gay sorry but unless I'm told otherwise I think that's stretching it a bit to far loosehead
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9:38pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

People knew I was gay because someone outed me on Facebook so I decided to tell people after that, and why should I have to hide who I am in hope to not get harassed?
I don't care if some people 'jump to the other side', 99.9 per cent of gay people DO NOT CHOOSE to be gay and are born gay.
People knew I was gay because someone outed me on Facebook so I decided to tell people after that, and why should I have to hide who I am in hope to not get harassed? I don't care if some people 'jump to the other side', 99.9 per cent of gay people DO NOT CHOOSE to be gay and are born gay. Victoria8
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9:38pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Reality-man says...

Well I for one Bl00dy love lesbians
Well I for one Bl00dy love lesbians Reality-man
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9:42pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

Well, I suppose that you've never met any of my friends, then. I had one who knew he was gay at four because, when all the other little boys were "playing" with their little girlfriends, HE knew that he wanted a "little boyfriend," and that never changed. He came out when he was ten, and he suffered many of the same things I did, only worse, because children that age have much less empathy than older kids do.

If you find this difficult to believe, he would be happy to write his story for you and post it, just to make it more apparent to anyone who finds it "stretching it." It did not appear so to him. Just a thought; he really wouldn't mind, and it might even give a little further perspective on the issue.
Well, I suppose that you've never met any of my friends, then. I had one who knew he was gay at four because, when all the other little boys were "playing" with their little girlfriends, HE knew that he wanted a "little boyfriend," and that never changed. He came out when he was ten, and he suffered many of the same things I did, only worse, because children that age have much less empathy than older kids do. If you find this difficult to believe, he would be happy to write his story for you and post it, just to make it more apparent to anyone who finds it "stretching it." It did not appear so to him. Just a thought; he really wouldn't mind, and it might even give a little further perspective on the issue. Victoria8
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9:43pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

Reality-man wrote:
Well I for one Bl00dy love lesbians
Right?
[quote][p][bold]Reality-man[/bold] wrote: Well I for one Bl00dy love lesbians[/p][/quote]Right? Victoria8
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10:48pm Tue 18 Dec 12

The Mad Dog says...

I read this article & thread earlier this evening. I have just come back to it and clicked the link for the 'full story' and think a lot of those who have already commented here should do the same.
There are currently 31 posts on the 'short' article' but only 6 on the 'full story'.
The 'full story' (as the Echo are calling it but I'm certain is very very far from being that) gives a much better insight into Victoria, her experiences at school and the reaction of her family, friends and the other pupils at her school.
I would suggest that what she has suffered from both on here and at school, stems from ignorance and a fear of the unknown and an unwillingness to accept that not everyone is the same and therefore they should be ridiculed and abused because of who they are.

Victoria, I don't think I need to say this but will anyway, be proud of who you are and be proud that you have the courage to stand up for your beliefs and be proud of the fact that you are prepared to speak out to give whatever help you can to others who have/are suffering as you did, and are again courtesy of some of the morons that post on the Echo's pages.
WELL DONE GIRL.
I read this article & thread earlier this evening. I have just come back to it and clicked the link for the 'full story' and think a lot of those who have already commented here should do the same. There are currently 31 posts on the 'short' article' but only 6 on the 'full story'. The 'full story' (as the Echo are calling it but I'm certain is very very far from being that) gives a much better insight into Victoria, her experiences at school and the reaction of her family, friends and the other pupils at her school. I would suggest that what she has suffered from both on here and at school, stems from ignorance and a fear of the unknown and an unwillingness to accept that not everyone is the same and therefore they should be ridiculed and abused because of who they are. Victoria, I don't think I need to say this but will anyway, be proud of who you are and be proud that you have the courage to stand up for your beliefs and be proud of the fact that you are prepared to speak out to give whatever help you can to others who have/are suffering as you did, and are again courtesy of some of the morons that post on the Echo's pages. WELL DONE GIRL. The Mad Dog
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11:42pm Tue 18 Dec 12

AdamSFC says...

eurogordi wrote:
Considering Victoria attended a school where a male teacher is going through a gender reassignment programme, I am extremely surprised that she was bullied at school and that the teachers were unsympathetic towards her sexuality.

However, I also believe that teenagers experience mixed emotions concerning sexuality throughout their teens and that 12 or 17 is far too young to make such a decision.

Sadly, we live in a society where gay is seen as okay, causing confusion and uncertainty to younger people who will say one thing without having fully discovered their true identity.
I read your comment and would of found it ironic that you staged your paragraphs to get progressively less informed reactionary and downright disgusting.

Your first point about being surprised she was bullied is ridiculous, by the same logic, a school that hires a black teacher would somehow suddenly be free from racism.

Secondly your comment about teenagers who are "12 or 17" being "far too young" to make such a decision is a ridiculously ignorant comment. The difference between a 12 year old, who has probably at the very start of puberty and someone who is 17 who may well be completely sexually mature is is huge. I personally was well aware of my sexuality when I was 17 and I don't really no anyone who wasn't. I'm sure that many people in their teens are 100% sure they are gay and this should be encouraged not repressed like we live in some horrible fundamentalist Christian dystopia. I'm sure however that some teenagers are confused and as such they should be allowed to explore these feelings without being judged or pushed in one direction or another, it is people like you with your horrible opinions on homosexuality that make people unsure about admitting they are gay. Also your 'unnatural' comment is complete trash, the scientific community has disproved this with the 'balancing selection hypothesis', so why don't you leave the thinking to them yeah?
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Considering Victoria attended a school where a male teacher is going through a gender reassignment programme, I am extremely surprised that she was bullied at school and that the teachers were unsympathetic towards her sexuality. However, I also believe that teenagers experience mixed emotions concerning sexuality throughout their teens and that 12 or 17 is far too young to make such a decision. Sadly, we live in a society where gay is seen as okay, causing confusion and uncertainty to younger people who will say one thing without having fully discovered their true identity.[/p][/quote]I read your comment and would of found it ironic that you staged your paragraphs to get progressively less informed reactionary and downright disgusting. Your first point about being surprised she was bullied is ridiculous, by the same logic, a school that hires a black teacher would somehow suddenly be free from racism. Secondly your comment about teenagers who are "12 or 17" being "far too young" to make such a decision is a ridiculously ignorant comment. The difference between a 12 year old, who has probably at the very start of puberty and someone who is 17 who may well be completely sexually mature is is huge. I personally was well aware of my sexuality when I was 17 and I don't really no anyone who wasn't. I'm sure that many people in their teens are 100% sure they are gay and this should be encouraged not repressed like we live in some horrible fundamentalist Christian dystopia. I'm sure however that some teenagers are confused and as such they should be allowed to explore these feelings without being judged or pushed in one direction or another, it is people like you with your horrible opinions on homosexuality that make people unsure about admitting they are gay. Also your 'unnatural' comment is complete trash, the scientific community has disproved this with the 'balancing selection hypothesis', so why don't you leave the thinking to them yeah? AdamSFC
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11:45pm Tue 18 Dec 12

AdamSFC says...

Apologies for the typos by the way.
Apologies for the typos by the way. AdamSFC
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12:12am Wed 19 Dec 12

Facewagon says...

eurogordi wrote:
Sexuality is extremely complex and comes with understanding and maturity. It should not be forced upon people of any age by society or the media. It is totally natural for adolescent teenagers to experience an attraction towards those of the same sex, as well as those of the opposite sex. This may sometimes be displayed in physical intimacy. However, I do not believe it is right for young people to be told that it is okay to be gay when those same young people are still in the process of exploring and understanding their true identity. I have worked with young people for many years. It concerns me that some are now adults who are very confused sexually because they were told to accept that they were gay or straight to satisfy political correctness rather than recognise themselves for who they really are.
I agree that sexuality is a complex subject, but you haven't addressed my questions. You say you feel it's wrong for young people to be told it's ok to be gay. In that case, what should they be told? That it's not ok? That what they feel is unnatural? That they should try to feel differently? People will work things out for themselves in good time, but how can it help to repress something if it's how they truly feel? Don't you think that will only cause more confusion - 'this is how I feel, but people say I am bad and wrong to feel this way, so I must try to stop'? Don't you also think that this can only reinforce the stereotypes that lie behind the bullying - gays are different, unnatural and wrong - and in a sense legitimise it?

The lack of empathy over this subject truly saddens me - why must some people look at difference and see something unnatural that must be stamped out. We're all fellow passengers to the grave and it's a shame that some people insist on sowing division and discord where there needn't be any.

There should be no obligation on anyone to approve of another's lifestyle, but what's wrong with having the humility to try to understand without judgement?
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: Sexuality is extremely complex and comes with understanding and maturity. It should not be forced upon people of any age by society or the media. It is totally natural for adolescent teenagers to experience an attraction towards those of the same sex, as well as those of the opposite sex. This may sometimes be displayed in physical intimacy. However, I do not believe it is right for young people to be told that it is okay to be gay when those same young people are still in the process of exploring and understanding their true identity. I have worked with young people for many years. It concerns me that some are now adults who are very confused sexually because they were told to accept that they were gay or straight to satisfy political correctness rather than recognise themselves for who they really are.[/p][/quote]I agree that sexuality is a complex subject, but you haven't addressed my questions. You say you feel it's wrong for young people to be told it's ok to be gay. In that case, what should they be told? That it's not ok? That what they feel is unnatural? That they should try to feel differently? People will work things out for themselves in good time, but how can it help to repress something if it's how they truly feel? Don't you think that will only cause more confusion - 'this is how I feel, but people say I am bad and wrong to feel this way, so I must try to stop'? Don't you also think that this can only reinforce the stereotypes that lie behind the bullying - gays are different, unnatural and wrong - and in a sense legitimise it? The lack of empathy over this subject truly saddens me - why must some people look at difference and see something unnatural that must be stamped out. We're all fellow passengers to the grave and it's a shame that some people insist on sowing division and discord where there needn't be any. There should be no obligation on anyone to approve of another's lifestyle, but what's wrong with having the humility to try to understand without judgement? Facewagon
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12:22am Wed 19 Dec 12

Facewagon says...

loosehead wrote:
Victoria how did they know you were gay? I had to wear shorts to school right up to my last year & I got picked on. Kids that were fat get picked on or seen to be weak get picked on so why give them something to pick on you? You didn't have to have a boyfriend you could have just got on with life left school & then come out couldn't you have? I have a ex work colleague who is gay & we went to his Barbi he came to our wedding & many of my so called friends wouldn't go if he was so I told them I didn't want them & would much rather he was there than them. But Victoria he was an adult he didn't give a **** what they thought & he wouldn't be in the paper telling people who he was & what his sexual orientation was. There are good straight people & there are bad & the same goes for the Gay community you could have left your self wide open to a lot of trouble from that community but I hope you don't & I hope you have a HAPPY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR
My initial reaction to your comment was disbelief that you'd try to put some of the responsibility for this on Victoria. On reflection I'm not sure this is what you meant and, regardless, you highlight an uncomfortable truth. People can be very cruel and children are no exception; marking oneself out as different to this degree is, sadly, bound to bring out the worst in some people. I really wish this weren't the case.

Having said that, well done to Victoria for having the courage to come out anyway. It's people like her with the guts to stand up and be counted regardless of the consequences that lead to meaningful change.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Victoria how did they know you were gay? I had to wear shorts to school right up to my last year & I got picked on. Kids that were fat get picked on or seen to be weak get picked on so why give them something to pick on you? You didn't have to have a boyfriend you could have just got on with life left school & then come out couldn't you have? I have a ex work colleague who is gay & we went to his Barbi he came to our wedding & many of my so called friends wouldn't go if he was so I told them I didn't want them & would much rather he was there than them. But Victoria he was an adult he didn't give a **** what they thought & he wouldn't be in the paper telling people who he was & what his sexual orientation was. There are good straight people & there are bad & the same goes for the Gay community you could have left your self wide open to a lot of trouble from that community but I hope you don't & I hope you have a HAPPY CHRISTMAS & A HAPPY NEW YEAR[/p][/quote]My initial reaction to your comment was disbelief that you'd try to put some of the responsibility for this on Victoria. On reflection I'm not sure this is what you meant and, regardless, you highlight an uncomfortable truth. People can be very cruel and children are no exception; marking oneself out as different to this degree is, sadly, bound to bring out the worst in some people. I really wish this weren't the case. Having said that, well done to Victoria for having the courage to come out anyway. It's people like her with the guts to stand up and be counted regardless of the consequences that lead to meaningful change. Facewagon
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6:22am Wed 19 Dec 12

David Icke says...

What's wrong with being from Lebanon anyway?
What's wrong with being from Lebanon anyway? David Icke
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8:14am Wed 19 Dec 12

SouthamptonLegend says...

David Icke wrote:
What's wrong with being from Lebanon anyway?
Found any more lizards lately Mr. Icke??
[quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with being from Lebanon anyway?[/p][/quote]Found any more lizards lately Mr. Icke?? SouthamptonLegend
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8:16am Wed 19 Dec 12

bigfella777 says...

I would love to watch.
I would love to watch. bigfella777
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8:23am Wed 19 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

Watch what? You weird people...
Watch what? You weird people... Victoria8
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9:10am Wed 19 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Victoria8 wrote:
Watch what? You weird people...
Victoria I was trying to show I'm not against you whilst asking the question that school kids look for any weakness or anything that's different.
I'm not gay but through family matters I was open to attack & having to wear second hand clothes & shorts didn't help so yes I was bullied but luckily there were two guys who stuck up for me( two hard nuts).
How were you outed on Facebook? who did you tell?
Many young men/girls don't get into relationships until they're a bit older so yes be proud of yourself but why the need for everyone else to know who or what you are?
you say you had no choice as you were outed but as I've just asked how did they know?
You can't tell the world & then not expect the bullies or the morons to come a calling as we all know they will.
I wish you a good life & hope you find a great partner ( if that's in your plans)
[quote][p][bold]Victoria8[/bold] wrote: Watch what? You weird people...[/p][/quote]Victoria I was trying to show I'm not against you whilst asking the question that school kids look for any weakness or anything that's different. I'm not gay but through family matters I was open to attack & having to wear second hand clothes & shorts didn't help so yes I was bullied but luckily there were two guys who stuck up for me( two hard nuts). How were you outed on Facebook? who did you tell? Many young men/girls don't get into relationships until they're a bit older so yes be proud of yourself but why the need for everyone else to know who or what you are? you say you had no choice as you were outed but as I've just asked how did they know? You can't tell the world & then not expect the bullies or the morons to come a calling as we all know they will. I wish you a good life & hope you find a great partner ( if that's in your plans) loosehead
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10:00am Wed 19 Dec 12

David Icke says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
David Icke wrote: What's wrong with being from Lebanon anyway?
Found any more lizards lately Mr. Icke??
One or two prawns.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Icke[/bold] wrote: What's wrong with being from Lebanon anyway?[/p][/quote]Found any more lizards lately Mr. Icke??[/p][/quote]One or two prawns. David Icke
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10:06am Wed 19 Dec 12

Hdg end mo says...

Such a pretty girl mmmmm what a waste
Such a pretty girl mmmmm what a waste Hdg end mo
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10:10am Wed 19 Dec 12

Hdg end mo says...

Got any fit female mates
Got any fit female mates Hdg end mo
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10:47am Wed 19 Dec 12

bemused26 says...

Fair play Victoria. I knew I was 100% straight from a pretty early age too. I don't see why people find it so hard to comprehend that someone can be 100% sure they are gay at an early age also. I was actually picked on at school too and regularly called a lesbian... (as if it was somehow derogatory!) I knew I wasn't but that didn't stop them!

Sometimes school kids can be cruel. In fact, plenty of adults can be cruel too. You just have to rise above it all and be who you are- and be proud to be who you are! I wish you every success with your book and future works.

EuroGordi appears to be an ignorant a*se by the way. I feel sorry for any young people that suffer the misfortune of working with him/ her.
Fair play Victoria. I knew I was 100% straight from a pretty early age too. I don't see why people find it so hard to comprehend that someone can be 100% sure they are gay at an early age also. I was actually picked on at school too and regularly called a lesbian... (as if it was somehow derogatory!) I knew I wasn't but that didn't stop them! Sometimes school kids can be cruel. In fact, plenty of adults can be cruel too. You just have to rise above it all and be who you are- and be proud to be who you are! I wish you every success with your book and future works. EuroGordi appears to be an ignorant a*se by the way. I feel sorry for any young people that suffer the misfortune of working with him/ her. bemused26
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11:11am Wed 19 Dec 12

BePositive.mum says...

Great idea with the book Victoria, I am sure your whole point of writing it was not to make money but to highlight how hard it is sometimes to be yourself.
Yes people get bullied for all reasons but what we should remember is that around the world people get beaten and murdered for being gay and it all starts with bullying and not accepting someone for who they are. You are unlikely to get murdered for wearing glasses or being fat !
I hope your book not only helps towards stopping bullies but to also make it easier for gay kids to get support from their peers, in my day I didn't know any lesbians so I followed tradition, married a man and had children.
Now in my forties I have meet a woman, our children are brilliant with it and my life now seems right and complete.I wish being gay was more talked about empathetically years ago then I wouldn't have felt so uncomfortable as a teenager.
I also don't understand that if you are gay you are going to be banned from marrying in the Church of England, yet you are not asked whether you are a murderer, rapist or abuser and if you were you would probably still be allowed to marry.
'their' argument - marriage is for procreation, so if you marry hetrosexually knowing you don't want or can't have kids, that is ok ????
Makes no sense to me.

very good luck to you and if any of my children got in to a relationship with you I would be more than happy
Great idea with the book Victoria, I am sure your whole point of writing it was not to make money but to highlight how hard it is sometimes to be yourself. Yes people get bullied for all reasons but what we should remember is that around the world people get beaten and murdered for being gay and it all starts with bullying and not accepting someone for who they are. You are unlikely to get murdered for wearing glasses or being fat ! I hope your book not only helps towards stopping bullies but to also make it easier for gay kids to get support from their peers, in my day I didn't know any lesbians so I followed tradition, married a man and had children. Now in my forties I have meet a woman, our children are brilliant with it and my life now seems right and complete.I wish being gay was more talked about empathetically years ago then I wouldn't have felt so uncomfortable as a teenager. I also don't understand that if you are gay you are going to be banned from marrying in the Church of England, yet you are not asked whether you are a murderer, rapist or abuser and if you were you would probably still be allowed to marry. 'their' argument - marriage is for procreation, so if you marry hetrosexually knowing you don't want or can't have kids, that is ok ???? Makes no sense to me. very good luck to you and if any of my children got in to a relationship with you I would be more than happy BePositive.mum
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11:53am Wed 19 Dec 12

espanuel says...

My grandson is gay and he is only 16 and I see no problem with it. All I would say is Victoria good luck for the future and sod everybody else that tries to do you down or your friends. I have worked with people that are gay but I dont like to call them gay, it is people who have no understanding the genetics and I fully dont, some people on HERE think they do. So good luck VICTORIA for the future and with your book. HAPPY XMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR AND MANY MORE TO COME.
My grandson is gay and he is only 16 and I see no problem with it. All I would say is Victoria good luck for the future and sod everybody else that tries to do you down or your friends. I have worked with people that are gay but I dont like to call them gay, it is people who have no understanding the genetics and I fully dont, some people on HERE think they do. So good luck VICTORIA for the future and with your book. HAPPY XMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR AND MANY MORE TO COME. espanuel
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12:50pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Paramjit Bahia says...

If amount of bigotry posted on this thread is the reflection of our society at large even in 2013, then the nation which loves boasting about being more advanced than most others, has large part of the population with mentality of dark ages.

Victoria like every other citizen is person in her own right, she obviously is trying to open closed minds, which are reluctant to accept that many people in our society are discriminated against and picked upon for various reasons, sexuality is one of those. Current on going row within ranks of prime ministers own party is not the only example. It only proves that out dated mindsets have not completely gone away.

Sooner we learn to live and let live the better. That is what should be part of our education system.

But Victoria has exposed the fault lines in that system. Authorities should stop pretending that everything is fine, and look into what is or went wrong in Victoria's school, and if it is still going on in others.
If amount of bigotry posted on this thread is the reflection of our society at large even in 2013, then the nation which loves boasting about being more advanced than most others, has large part of the population with mentality of dark ages. Victoria like every other citizen is person in her own right, she obviously is trying to open closed minds, which are reluctant to accept that many people in our society are discriminated against and picked upon for various reasons, sexuality is one of those. Current on going row within ranks of prime ministers own party is not the only example. It only proves that out dated mindsets have not completely gone away. Sooner we learn to live and let live the better. That is what should be part of our education system. But Victoria has exposed the fault lines in that system. Authorities should stop pretending that everything is fine, and look into what is or went wrong in Victoria's school, and if it is still going on in others. Paramjit Bahia
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1:23pm Wed 19 Dec 12

sarfhamton says...

i can only think that some of the idiots on here do not have daughters or nieces.

What a way to talk about someone.

Shame
i can only think that some of the idiots on here do not have daughters or nieces. What a way to talk about someone. Shame sarfhamton
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4:02pm Wed 19 Dec 12

kingnotail says...

Good on you for being who you are, never let anyone tell you what to think or do, especially not some of the bigoted inbreds who populate the Daily Echo website.
Good on you for being who you are, never let anyone tell you what to think or do, especially not some of the bigoted inbreds who populate the Daily Echo website. kingnotail
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6:57pm Wed 19 Dec 12

cantthinkofone says...

The "I would hur hur hur" comedy comments from some on her are frankly pathetic, and no better than the likes of eurogordi. Grow up FFS.
The "I would hur hur hur" comedy comments from some on her are frankly pathetic, and no better than the likes of eurogordi. Grow up FFS. cantthinkofone
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3:21pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Subject48 says...

To be honest I wasnt even going to post anything, but having read through victorias posts...

I persoanly dont think being gay is normal, because, in my view, it well, isint, sorry. It goes against the natural order of the world.

And hate me as you will, hate the world for making it only able for a male and a female of ther same species to have an offspring. As a nation of political corectness we have well and truly lost the plot. This is my view. And telling me I am not entitled to it, is the same as me trying to force this view upon you or any other individual.

Dont get me wrong I have gay friends, I've been to a gay wedding(partner ship ceremony) and I was truly moved by their love for eachother.

I accept people for who they are if they accept themselves and I do respect them regardless of my belief.

You do sound like an angry teenager whose going to war with the world draging her sexuality along with her. And before you judge me let me assure you I know what bullying is and it isint nice.

The mistake is labeling what the bullying is for. It doesnet matter why one gets bullied. Bullying is bullying. If you get bullied because you are foreign, poor, black, ginger, fat, gay, or all of the above, its just bullying.

Publicising a story refering to one of the categories is counter productive and only creates unnecasry controversy and further aggro for all those affected by the issue.

And I am not sugesting for this unfortunate experiance to be swept under the rug. I aim to encourage all those affected by bullying to rise above and realise they are worth more, for understanding those who are less mature and say: **** you, I am who I am so enjoy your boring life, never standing up for anything and ending up dying for nothing.

Integrity is doing the right thing when no ones looking.

I wish you luck, and when you mature more you will understand other peoples opinions more.
To be honest I wasnt even going to post anything, but having read through victorias posts... I persoanly dont think being gay is normal, because, in my view, it well, isint, sorry. It goes against the natural order of the world. And hate me as you will, hate the world for making it only able for a male and a female of ther same species to have an offspring. As a nation of political corectness we have well and truly lost the plot. This is my view. And telling me I am not entitled to it, is the same as me trying to force this view upon you or any other individual. Dont get me wrong I have gay friends, I've been to a gay wedding(partner ship ceremony) and I was truly moved by their love for eachother. I accept people for who they are if they accept themselves and I do respect them regardless of my belief. You do sound like an angry teenager whose going to war with the world draging her sexuality along with her. And before you judge me let me assure you I know what bullying is and it isint nice. The mistake is labeling what the bullying is for. It doesnet matter why one gets bullied. Bullying is bullying. If you get bullied because you are foreign, poor, black, ginger, fat, gay, or all of the above, its just bullying. Publicising a story refering to one of the categories is counter productive and only creates unnecasry controversy and further aggro for all those affected by the issue. And I am not sugesting for this unfortunate experiance to be swept under the rug. I aim to encourage all those affected by bullying to rise above and realise they are worth more, for understanding those who are less mature and say: **** you, I am who I am so enjoy your boring life, never standing up for anything and ending up dying for nothing. Integrity is doing the right thing when no ones looking. I wish you luck, and when you mature more you will understand other peoples opinions more. Subject48
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4:39pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

Well, for one thing, this person cannot spell, so I question his/her basic intelligence at the outset. Secondly, you cannot say "oh, don't get me wrong, I have gay friends, blah blah blah," and then say that you feel that this is wrong. That is contradictory. Either you accept your friends for who and what they are and you ARE really a friend, or you disapprove of them for something they had and have no say in; that makes you a hypocrite, not a friend. This person is a fine one to be talking about "maturing;" sounds like they've got some of that to do themselves.
Well, for one thing, this person cannot spell, so I question his/her basic intelligence at the outset. Secondly, you cannot say "oh, don't get me wrong, I have gay friends, blah blah blah," and then say that you feel that this is wrong. That is contradictory. Either you accept your friends for who and what they are and you ARE really a friend, or you disapprove of them for something they had and have no say in; that makes you a hypocrite, not a friend. This person is a fine one to be talking about "maturing;" sounds like they've got some of that to do themselves. Victoria8
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5:58pm Thu 20 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Victoria8 wrote:
Well, for one thing, this person cannot spell, so I question his/her basic intelligence at the outset. Secondly, you cannot say "oh, don't get me wrong, I have gay friends, blah blah blah," and then say that you feel that this is wrong. That is contradictory. Either you accept your friends for who and what they are and you ARE really a friend, or you disapprove of them for something they had and have no say in; that makes you a hypocrite, not a friend. This person is a fine one to be talking about "maturing;" sounds like they've got some of that to do themselves.
you let your picture & your story be printed in this paper,
you opened yourself up to attack why?
it's no good going on the defensive as none of the people having a go at you would have done if you had just got on with your life.
To many your seeking attention & with that attention your going to get people who feel sorry for you.who agree with you,who don't agree with you going to press & people who hate what you are.
You must have expected this didn't you?
Or is any publicity good publicity for your book?
[quote][p][bold]Victoria8[/bold] wrote: Well, for one thing, this person cannot spell, so I question his/her basic intelligence at the outset. Secondly, you cannot say "oh, don't get me wrong, I have gay friends, blah blah blah," and then say that you feel that this is wrong. That is contradictory. Either you accept your friends for who and what they are and you ARE really a friend, or you disapprove of them for something they had and have no say in; that makes you a hypocrite, not a friend. This person is a fine one to be talking about "maturing;" sounds like they've got some of that to do themselves.[/p][/quote]you let your picture & your story be printed in this paper, you opened yourself up to attack why? it's no good going on the defensive as none of the people having a go at you would have done if you had just got on with your life. To many your seeking attention & with that attention your going to get people who feel sorry for you.who agree with you,who don't agree with you going to press & people who hate what you are. You must have expected this didn't you? Or is any publicity good publicity for your book? loosehead
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6:47pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Victoria8 says...

Firstly, I was actually doing work experience for the daily echo and spoke about my book I was writing and they were interested, so i didnt go directly to them, also-I understand I will get different reactions, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so I am expressing my opinion to the people who write on here opposing me.
Firstly, I was actually doing work experience for the daily echo and spoke about my book I was writing and they were interested, so i didnt go directly to them, also-I understand I will get different reactions, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so I am expressing my opinion to the people who write on here opposing me. Victoria8
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8:46pm Thu 20 Dec 12

loosehead says...

Victoria8 wrote:
Firstly, I was actually doing work experience for the daily echo and spoke about my book I was writing and they were interested, so i didnt go directly to them, also-I understand I will get different reactions, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so I am expressing my opinion to the people who write on here opposing me.
Sorry I didn't know that but can you see what I'm saying?
I wish you all the best in your future life & will post no more about you just have fun & enjoy life
[quote][p][bold]Victoria8[/bold] wrote: Firstly, I was actually doing work experience for the daily echo and spoke about my book I was writing and they were interested, so i didnt go directly to them, also-I understand I will get different reactions, and everyone is entitled to their own opinions, so I am expressing my opinion to the people who write on here opposing me.[/p][/quote]Sorry I didn't know that but can you see what I'm saying? I wish you all the best in your future life & will post no more about you just have fun & enjoy life loosehead
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