Labour could agree to Europe referendum, says MP (From Daily Echo)
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Labour could agree to Europe referendum, says Southampton Itchen MP John Denham
3:40pm Wednesday 23rd January 2013 in News
By Tom Moseley, Parliamentary Correspondent
Southampton Itchen MP John Denham
LABOUR could agree to an 'in/out' referendum on Europe after all, Southampton Itchen MP John Denham has said.
Mr Denham, who is the Parliamentary aide to Labour leader Ed Miliband, insisted the party did "not absolutely rule out" a definitive poll. Mr Miliband had appeared to draw a clear dividing line with the Conservatives during Prime Minister's Questions, telling the Commons that his party "do not want an in/out referendum".
However, Mr Denham then told the Daily Echo there had been "a bit of over-interpretation" of Mr Miliband's comments.
He said: "We do not absolutely rule it out in the future, we do not know what issues will come up in the future.
"But we think to call one now will damage and destabilise the economy."
His Labour colleague, Alan Whitehead, echoed the criticism of David Cameron's decision to commit the party to holding an in/out referendum by the end of 2017, once he has tried to negotiate the return of some powers to Westminster.
Dr Whitehead, the MP for Southampton Test, said it was "folly" to make such a pledge so far in advance.
However, Mr Cameron's promise, in a speech in London this morning, was welcomed by Conservative MPs who cheered their leader to his seat at Prime Minister's Questions.
They accused Labour of being unclear on its support for a referendum.
Caroline Nokes, the Tory MP for Romsey and Southampton North, said: "I am delighted by the Prime Minister's speech.
"It put Ed Miliband very much on the back foot."
She said she had received "many hundreds" of letters from constituents calling for a referendum, and said "the jury is still out" on how she would vote.
Daniel Hannan, Eurosceptic MEP for the South East, said it had been "an extraordinary moment".
He added: "critically, the people who decide whether it's a good enough deal won't be the ministers and mandarins who have brought us to our present unhappy state, but the electorate as a whole.2 But the Prime Minister was heavily criticised by a Liberal Democrat, South East MEP Catherine Bearder.
She said: "David Cameron's speech was plagued with confusion - confusion over who it is was aimed at, and confusion over what he really wants to achieve.
"His increasingly desperate pledge to push for a positive vision for the EU is at odds with his attempt to appease chunks of his own party.
"Mr Cameron has doffed his cap to the right wing nationalists in the Tory party, whose real agenda is an immediate exit, and simultaneously put British growth, jobs and investment at risk."
Comments(59)
George4th
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4:08pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
geoff51
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4:16pm Wed 23 Jan 13
George4th wrote:Agreed but you missed out the bit about allowing half of the EU to sponge off our benefits and NHS and letting them all into the UK to boost the Labour vote!
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
Outside of the Box
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4:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Didn't see or hear PMQs today,,,,if he did offer an in/out referendum" on Europe in 2017 I see this as a clear election bribe and something to keep the Euro Tory sceptic's happy, if he is elected, he won't go through with it, the man loves Europe and does Chancellor probably more than the UK
ohec
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4:32pm Wed 23 Jan 13
George4th wrote:So according to you nobody will ever vote Labour again and that is fine but nobody will ever vote Conservative or LibDem again either leaving the door wide open for UKIP, sounds great to me but when push comes to shove i think you will be surprised at who people do vote for. The good people of Eastleigh vote LibDem for their sins will that change?? and most people on benefits will vote Labour so its not as cut and dried as you might think. Despite what you might think the last government was a victim of a global meltdown yes they did make mistakes but our present government is just one big mistake and are doing just as good a job of bringing this country to its knees as that well known traitor Margaret Thatcher.
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
southy
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4:33pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Weldone Tom for picking up on my post at 1-51pm today about this subject
Subject48
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4:34pm Wed 23 Jan 13
StevenGalton says...
3:53pm Wed 23 Jan 13
I'm sorry but that is pretty clear and conclusive to me. It also makes no mention of a future situation that would change his mind... Are these now more words of Labour's that can't be trusted - seems a pattern developing here!”
Do you have another DE account with username 'Loosehead' ?
3:53pm Wed 23 Jan 13
I'm sorry but that is pretty clear and conclusive to me. It also makes no mention of a future situation that would change his mind... Are these now more words of Labour's that can't be trusted - seems a pattern developing here!”
Do you have another DE account with username 'Loosehead' ?
Linesman
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4:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13
geoff51 wrote:Nothing has changed in that respect in the more than two years of a Tory-led coalition government, except that further steps to privatise the NHS by stealth have taken place.
George4th wrote:Agreed but you missed out the bit about allowing half of the EU to sponge off our benefits and NHS and letting them all into the UK to boost the Labour vote!
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
freefinker
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4:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13
geoff51 wrote:.. gosh, I hadn't noticed.
George4th wrote:Agreed but you missed out the bit about allowing half of the EU to sponge off our benefits and NHS and letting them all into the UK to boost the Labour vote!
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
The rest of Europe has depopulated by 50%??
And they all came here to sponge off the dole and NHS?
Wow - how did I not notice this 100+ million extra people arriving?
StevenGalton
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4:39pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Lol @Subject48 - If you read my views on biomass versus Loosehead you'd realise we could never be the same...
seven777.
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4:40pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Labour MPs panic after Millidand tells the british public "Im not interested in your view on the matter, and if you dont like it vote Tory". Clearly that not what he said but it may as well have been.
geoff51
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4:46pm Wed 23 Jan 13
freefinker wrote:Actually you must go round with your eyes and ears closed, try walking round the City centre and listening for English being spoken by those who are not working
geoff51 wrote:.. gosh, I hadn't noticed.
George4th wrote:Agreed but you missed out the bit about allowing half of the EU to sponge off our benefits and NHS and letting them all into the UK to boost the Labour vote!
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
The rest of Europe has depopulated by 50%??
And they all came here to sponge off the dole and NHS?
Wow - how did I not notice this 100+ million extra people arriving?
southy
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4:55pm Wed 23 Jan 13
The Torys could be offering this after the meeting that the Torys and UKIP had 2 years ago about joining up as one party if the Torys put the EU in/out referendum as part of there manifest.
Then how can we trust Labour we can't they promest us a vote on the Lisbon treaty that we never got, but allowed bits here and there to enter our law and rules with out the vote, the reason why they would not give us a vote on the lisbon treaty was because would would vote no on it and would not be bride like the Irish was and that would of destroied the EU totally.
As a Socialist I know that we do not need a thing like the EU to be able to work with other countrys, the EU is not there for the benefit of the majority it is there for the rich and powerful elite to benefit from
Aslo how could we trust any thing that as to do with the Bilderberg Groups, the EU idea is one of theres its part and parsel of there agenda of 10 goverments, armed forces and currencys, and we should and can not trust any one that have been to any of the Bilderberg invite meetings people like Clegg, Cameron, Millibands, Farage and Titford they have attended the meeting in the last 10 years.
Then how can we trust Labour we can't they promest us a vote on the Lisbon treaty that we never got, but allowed bits here and there to enter our law and rules with out the vote, the reason why they would not give us a vote on the lisbon treaty was because would would vote no on it and would not be bride like the Irish was and that would of destroied the EU totally.
As a Socialist I know that we do not need a thing like the EU to be able to work with other countrys, the EU is not there for the benefit of the majority it is there for the rich and powerful elite to benefit from
Aslo how could we trust any thing that as to do with the Bilderberg Groups, the EU idea is one of theres its part and parsel of there agenda of 10 goverments, armed forces and currencys, and we should and can not trust any one that have been to any of the Bilderberg invite meetings people like Clegg, Cameron, Millibands, Farage and Titford they have attended the meeting in the last 10 years.
southy
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4:57pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Linesman wrote:Lines Some thing that Labour was doing under Blair and Brown, I can remember I was helping in stopping the closing down of Crowling House
geoff51 wrote:Nothing has changed in that respect in the more than two years of a Tory-led coalition government, except that further steps to privatise the NHS by stealth have taken place.
George4th wrote:Agreed but you missed out the bit about allowing half of the EU to sponge off our benefits and NHS and letting them all into the UK to boost the Labour vote!
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
George4th
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4:58pm Wed 23 Jan 13
ohec wrote:"Despite what you might think the last government was a victim of a global meltdown"
George4th wrote:So according to you nobody will ever vote Labour again and that is fine but nobody will ever vote Conservative or LibDem again either leaving the door wide open for UKIP, sounds great to me but when push comes to shove i think you will be surprised at who people do vote for. The good people of Eastleigh vote LibDem for their sins will that change?? and most people on benefits will vote Labour so its not as cut and dried as you might think. Despite what you might think the last government was a victim of a global meltdown yes they did make mistakes but our present government is just one big mistake and are doing just as good a job of bringing this country to its knees as that well known traitor Margaret Thatcher.
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
It was a victim of its own meltdown BEFORE the global financial crisis. Check back and see what the public/personal debt and the deficit and the borrowings were BEFORE the financial crisis.
Labour was even overspending in the Boom years! They forgot about rainy days!!
Vince Cable and others warned the Labour government in Parliament in 2006 that they were overspending! In fact, Cable warned Labour 2003 that they needed to curtail lending that was fuelling the Credit Bubble but they wouldn't listen!!
However you look at it, Labour screwed up bigtime - screwing everyone of us in the process. It was a case of blatant Political Engineering that was a total disaster for all of us, especially the poor!
Lone Ranger.
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5:12pm Wed 23 Jan 13
geoff51 wrote:Oh what a distraction ........ Lets do a speech about Europe ..... Then all talk will be about that then we can hide the fact that we are going into a TRIPLE DIP RECESSION and Boy George is about to lose the UK our AAA ratings.
George4th wrote:Agreed but you missed out the bit about allowing half of the EU to sponge off our benefits and NHS and letting them all into the UK to boost the Labour vote!
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
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Things are really looking up !! ...Not
Outside of the Box
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5:22pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Doesn't anyone understand this will never happen,,,it's a bribe by CaMoron to keep the Tory Euro sceptics happy and the British public sweet,,,he has realised that the UKIP vote is getting stronger by the minute so he's tapped into this to get himself elected,,,it's political posturing at its best,,,,referendum of Europe,,,not in my lifetime and I'm a healthy 45 year old
Outside of the Box
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5:23pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:Exactly Lone
geoff51 wrote:Oh what a distraction ........ Lets do a speech about Europe ..... Then all talk will be about that then we can hide the fact that we are going into a TRIPLE DIP RECESSION and Boy George is about to lose the UK our AAA ratings.
George4th wrote:Agreed but you missed out the bit about allowing half of the EU to sponge off our benefits and NHS and letting them all into the UK to boost the Labour vote!
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
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Things are really looking up !! ...Not
southy
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5:27pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Outside of the Box wrote:Yes I do its like Labour saying we would get the vote on the Lisbon Treaty that we never got, because our politicians love affair with the EU
Doesn't anyone understand this will never happen,,,it's a bribe by CaMoron to keep the Tory Euro sceptics happy and the British public sweet,,,he has realised that the UKIP vote is getting stronger by the minute so he's tapped into this to get himself elected,,,it's political posturing at its best,,,,referendum of Europe,,,not in my lifetime and I'm a healthy 45 year old
MGRA
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5:51pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Denham is either stupid or lying... Labour said today , NO referendum in their manifesto and NO referendum in the next parliament. Their spokeswoman could not have been more clear.... what part of what she has been saying on national radio did he not understand ?
kingnotail
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6:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13
George4th wrote:And the 18 years of Tory misrule was some kind of golden age in comparison?
ohec wrote:"Despite what you might think the last government was a victim of a global meltdown"
George4th wrote:So according to you nobody will ever vote Labour again and that is fine but nobody will ever vote Conservative or LibDem again either leaving the door wide open for UKIP, sounds great to me but when push comes to shove i think you will be surprised at who people do vote for. The good people of Eastleigh vote LibDem for their sins will that change?? and most people on benefits will vote Labour so its not as cut and dried as you might think. Despite what you might think the last government was a victim of a global meltdown yes they did make mistakes but our present government is just one big mistake and are doing just as good a job of bringing this country to its knees as that well known traitor Margaret Thatcher.
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
It was a victim of its own meltdown BEFORE the global financial crisis. Check back and see what the public/personal debt and the deficit and the borrowings were BEFORE the financial crisis.
Labour was even overspending in the Boom years! They forgot about rainy days!!
Vince Cable and others warned the Labour government in Parliament in 2006 that they were overspending! In fact, Cable warned Labour 2003 that they needed to curtail lending that was fuelling the Credit Bubble but they wouldn't listen!!
However you look at it, Labour screwed up bigtime - screwing everyone of us in the process. It was a case of blatant Political Engineering that was a total disaster for all of us, especially the poor!
Under Labour we had one of the longest periods of sustained growth since WW2, derailed by a global financial meltdown which cannot be attributed to any particular country or political party, only to the ills of unchecked economic liberalism.
jen1
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6:06pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
Linesman
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7:09pm Wed 23 Jan 13
kingnotail wrote:You forgot to mention that, following this financial meltdown, the Labour government did a financial rescue act for British banks and building societies, that saved many jobs and prevented morgage holders haveing their homes repossessed and losing their savings.
George4th wrote:And the 18 years of Tory misrule was some kind of golden age in comparison?
ohec wrote:"Despite what you might think the last government was a victim of a global meltdown"
George4th wrote:So according to you nobody will ever vote Labour again and that is fine but nobody will ever vote Conservative or LibDem again either leaving the door wide open for UKIP, sounds great to me but when push comes to shove i think you will be surprised at who people do vote for. The good people of Eastleigh vote LibDem for their sins will that change?? and most people on benefits will vote Labour so its not as cut and dried as you might think. Despite what you might think the last government was a victim of a global meltdown yes they did make mistakes but our present government is just one big mistake and are doing just as good a job of bringing this country to its knees as that well known traitor Margaret Thatcher.
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
It was a victim of its own meltdown BEFORE the global financial crisis. Check back and see what the public/personal debt and the deficit and the borrowings were BEFORE the financial crisis.
Labour was even overspending in the Boom years! They forgot about rainy days!!
Vince Cable and others warned the Labour government in Parliament in 2006 that they were overspending! In fact, Cable warned Labour 2003 that they needed to curtail lending that was fuelling the Credit Bubble but they wouldn't listen!!
However you look at it, Labour screwed up bigtime - screwing everyone of us in the process. It was a case of blatant Political Engineering that was a total disaster for all of us, especially the poor!
Under Labour we had one of the longest periods of sustained growth since WW2, derailed by a global financial meltdown which cannot be attributed to any particular country or political party, only to the ills of unchecked economic liberalism.
Added to that, they also bailed out various councils that had invested their money in Icelandic Banks. This prevented those councils going bankrupt, putting many people out of work, and preserving the services.
What alternative course of action did Cameron and Clegg propose at the time?
loosehead
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7:12pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Subject48 wrote:What an idiot you are! my name is Wayne Hobson not Steve Galton & if you read my posts you would know that
StevenGalton says...
3:53pm Wed 23 Jan 13
I'm sorry but that is pretty clear and conclusive to me. It also makes no mention of a future situation that would change his mind... Are these now more words of Labour's that can't be trusted - seems a pattern developing here!”
Do you have another DE account with username 'Loosehead' ?
Lone Ranger.
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7:17pm Wed 23 Jan 13
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
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Do you know how many are coming ?????????
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And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
loosehead
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7:18pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Ed Milliband has said he'd listen to the people so did he listen to the building companies that have had to stop business as Polish & other Eastern Europeans are under cutting them?
did he ask all the workers who've lost their jobs as their bosses can employ the same Eastern Europeans cheaper?
The French Poll says 90% of the French people want us out so what is Milliband scared of? why is it Brown promised a referendum on the constituition but then lied & refused it now Milliband says he won't give us a vote neither then Denham comes on here saying he will who's lying?
did he ask all the workers who've lost their jobs as their bosses can employ the same Eastern Europeans cheaper?
The French Poll says 90% of the French people want us out so what is Milliband scared of? why is it Brown promised a referendum on the constituition but then lied & refused it now Milliband says he won't give us a vote neither then Denham comes on here saying he will who's lying?
George4th
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7:44pm Wed 23 Jan 13
kingnotail wrote:"Under Labour we had one of the longest periods of sustained growth since WW2"
George4th wrote:And the 18 years of Tory misrule was some kind of golden age in comparison?
ohec wrote:"Despite what you might think the last government was a victim of a global meltdown"
George4th wrote:So according to you nobody will ever vote Labour again and that is fine but nobody will ever vote Conservative or LibDem again either leaving the door wide open for UKIP, sounds great to me but when push comes to shove i think you will be surprised at who people do vote for. The good people of Eastleigh vote LibDem for their sins will that change?? and most people on benefits will vote Labour so its not as cut and dried as you might think. Despite what you might think the last government was a victim of a global meltdown yes they did make mistakes but our present government is just one big mistake and are doing just as good a job of bringing this country to its knees as that well known traitor Margaret Thatcher.
Who cares what Labour think?! Is anyone ever going to take notice of the Labour Party that led us to the precipice of economic oblivion through totally incompetent governance?
It was a victim of its own meltdown BEFORE the global financial crisis. Check back and see what the public/personal debt and the deficit and the borrowings were BEFORE the financial crisis.
Labour was even overspending in the Boom years! They forgot about rainy days!!
Vince Cable and others warned the Labour government in Parliament in 2006 that they were overspending! In fact, Cable warned Labour 2003 that they needed to curtail lending that was fuelling the Credit Bubble but they wouldn't listen!!
However you look at it, Labour screwed up bigtime - screwing everyone of us in the process. It was a case of blatant Political Engineering that was a total disaster for all of us, especially the poor!
Under Labour we had one of the longest periods of sustained growth since WW2, derailed by a global financial meltdown which cannot be attributed to any particular country or political party, only to the ills of unchecked economic liberalism.
Exactly!! And they still managed to spend more than we got in!!!!
Labour's downfall occurred BEFORE the global financial crisis. - a crisis that they helped to create by relaxing the financial controls so that you and I and the great British public could borrow more money than we could afford to pay back! They promoted this in order to keep fueling the consumer boom via the property boom!! They helped create the 120% Mortgage! - you have to question the sanity of that! Then everything went Boom! Boom!
They forgot one thing! - to build in regulation to control their relaxation of financial controls!!! Hence the runaway debt that led us into the global financial crisis!!!
The result? They managed to make the have nots worse off than at anytime in modern history!
And the UK ended up at the door of the IMF!
Labour's had a couple of goes at government and each time we have ended up busted and at the door of the IMF. That surely must say something about the inability of Labour to run anything!!
good-gosh
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8:01pm Wed 23 Jan 13
I wouldn’t recommend opting out of the EU under a Labour government. We would need a huge defence curtain of warships, missiles, combat planes and standing army to ensure independent security and I couldn’t imagine Labour prioritising such expense.
loosehead
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8:36pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Do you think if we pulled out of the EU Germany & many EU countries would say that's it we're not trading with you anymore?
If we're out we wouldn't have to cover the loss when Greece goes to the wall or Spains economy collapses.
Look at Scotland they thought leave the UK but keep their money as it's what the UK has to pay not Scotland Wrong the EU has now told them they would have to seek entry into the EU so good bye your Oil revenue.
If we can't pull back from this Federal EU & the promise is broken & we don't get a referendum UKIP will be rubbing their hands with glee .
Why is it when I voted against the Common Market Labour were opposed to it but now want us further into it?
Please all of you remember we were taking in with out our consent ( yes it was that idiot Heath) we had scare tactics to get people to vote yes to the Common market but still many of us voted against it.
now we all can see what lies we we're told so why shouldn't we the public have a vote?
If we're out we wouldn't have to cover the loss when Greece goes to the wall or Spains economy collapses.
Look at Scotland they thought leave the UK but keep their money as it's what the UK has to pay not Scotland Wrong the EU has now told them they would have to seek entry into the EU so good bye your Oil revenue.
If we can't pull back from this Federal EU & the promise is broken & we don't get a referendum UKIP will be rubbing their hands with glee .
Why is it when I voted against the Common Market Labour were opposed to it but now want us further into it?
Please all of you remember we were taking in with out our consent ( yes it was that idiot Heath) we had scare tactics to get people to vote yes to the Common market but still many of us voted against it.
now we all can see what lies we we're told so why shouldn't we the public have a vote?
derek james
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10:21pm Wed 23 Jan 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
southy
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10:47pm Wed 23 Jan 13
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
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Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
freefinker
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12:24am Thu 24 Jan 13
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
Subject48
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8:31am Thu 24 Jan 13
@ loosehead, its just that you are both spewing bull$hit and pointing the finger like 8 year old school girls when soemone **** in the classroom. Then again thats alll the house of commons is any good at.
How about we introduce some accountability so that if a governemtn gets elected based on a promise and they dont deliver heads will roll(metaphoricaly). Measures can be implemented where they are banned from public office for whats no less then fraud. Labour tories lib dems is all the same... Get rid of the self serving liars in the government and the people will get what they want again. For better or worse.
How about we introduce some accountability so that if a governemtn gets elected based on a promise and they dont deliver heads will roll(metaphoricaly). Measures can be implemented where they are banned from public office for whats no less then fraud. Labour tories lib dems is all the same... Get rid of the self serving liars in the government and the people will get what they want again. For better or worse.
Subject48
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8:31am Thu 24 Jan 13
F4rt is censored!?
Linesman
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10:33am Thu 24 Jan 13
StevenGalton wrote:Could do with "a bit of over-interpretation" on what Cameron was saying before he was elected, and what he has said and done since getting in.
"a bit of over-interpretation" - Mr Miliband's exact words were "My position is no, we do not want an in out referendum - my position is precisely the same as his position when we voted together in October 2011 against an in out referendum. My position hasn't changed it's his position that has changed"
I'm sorry but that is pretty clear and conclusive to me. It also makes no mention of a future situation that would change his mind... Are these now more words of Labour's that can't be trusted - seems a pattern developing here!
aldermoorboy
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10:34am Thu 24 Jan 13
Let the people choose, well done Dave.
Lone Ranger.
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11:40am Thu 24 Jan 13
Still not worth getting into too much of a frenzy just yet.
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Firstly Slippery Dave has to win the next General Election WITHOUT the help of the Lib Dems ....... So highly unlikely.
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Secondly, has to negotuate with Europe so he can cherry pick ....... highly unlikely.
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Then has to do a U-Turn ( Yes another one) on what he said in 2011 and do an in/out vote.
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So judging by this lot ..... seems like he wont even climb the first hurdle.
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Firstly Slippery Dave has to win the next General Election WITHOUT the help of the Lib Dems ....... So highly unlikely.
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Secondly, has to negotuate with Europe so he can cherry pick ....... highly unlikely.
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Then has to do a U-Turn ( Yes another one) on what he said in 2011 and do an in/out vote.
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So judging by this lot ..... seems like he wont even climb the first hurdle.
loosehead
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11:48am Thu 24 Jan 13
Subject48 wrote:God there would be no Labour politicians left alive locally & Nationally.
@ loosehead, its just that you are both spewing bull$hit and pointing the finger like 8 year old school girls when soemone **** in the classroom. Then again thats alll the house of commons is any good at.
How about we introduce some accountability so that if a governemtn gets elected based on a promise and they dont deliver heads will roll(metaphoricaly). Measures can be implemented where they are banned from public office for whats no less then fraud. Labour tories lib dems is all the same... Get rid of the self serving liars in the government and the people will get what they want again. For better or worse.
Can't wait for the results of the investigation into Cllr Williams & Morrel to see exactly how big the lies were
loosehead
says...
11:50am Thu 24 Jan 13
I'll make this vow now if we vote in a Tory Government & the EU say no way Cameron better still go ahead with the referendum or I for one will never vote Tory again & I'll vote UKIP.
but unlike Brown Cameron is much more likely to keep his word
but unlike Brown Cameron is much more likely to keep his word
southy
says...
11:51am Thu 24 Jan 13
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
southy
says...
12:05pm Thu 24 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:But there still be more than there would be Torys.
Subject48 wrote:God there would be no Labour politicians left alive locally & Nationally.
@ loosehead, its just that you are both spewing bull$hit and pointing the finger like 8 year old school girls when soemone **** in the classroom. Then again thats alll the house of commons is any good at.
How about we introduce some accountability so that if a governemtn gets elected based on a promise and they dont deliver heads will roll(metaphoricaly). Measures can be implemented where they are banned from public office for whats no less then fraud. Labour tories lib dems is all the same... Get rid of the self serving liars in the government and the people will get what they want again. For better or worse.
Can't wait for the results of the investigation into Cllr Williams & Morrel to see exactly how big the lies were
loosehead
says...
1:35pm Thu 24 Jan 13
southy wrote:Southy unless you really are living in cuckoo land tell me did Brown lie to us?
loosehead wrote:But there still be more than there would be Torys.
Subject48 wrote:God there would be no Labour politicians left alive locally & Nationally.
@ loosehead, its just that you are both spewing bull$hit and pointing the finger like 8 year old school girls when soemone **** in the classroom. Then again thats alll the house of commons is any good at.
How about we introduce some accountability so that if a governemtn gets elected based on a promise and they dont deliver heads will roll(metaphoricaly). Measures can be implemented where they are banned from public office for whats no less then fraud. Labour tories lib dems is all the same... Get rid of the self serving liars in the government and the people will get what they want again. For better or worse.
Can't wait for the results of the investigation into Cllr Williams & Morrel to see exactly how big the lies were
Did Williams & his labour colleagues lie to us?
Now we have Denham telling us Labour could still support a referendum on the EU? has he listened to his leader? or is this just another Labour lie?
Southy for once look at the type of voters you might attract & realise the party you should be attacking & not making up stories about is the Labour Party.
or are you so Anti Tory that with all your rhetoric you have no plans or chance of getting elected so you don't attack the real liars & that's the Labour Party.
I would love to see a Government stop these people who run a company owe thousands/millions get court judgements against them shut the company down sell the assets to another company (new name) they own so selling it to themselves & even though they are so called directors of both companies no assets or money can be taken.
as directors they should be liable & all the property of them & their partners should be siezed as it should have been in the case of Rover
freefinker
says...
2:03pm Thu 24 Jan 13
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
loosehead
says...
4:21pm Thu 24 Jan 13
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
kingnotail
says...
5:38pm Thu 24 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
Lone Ranger.
says...
7:52pm Thu 24 Jan 13
kingnotail wrote:EVIDENCE !!!!!! ...... He makes it up on the hoof then accuses everyone else of lying.
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
loosehead
says...
8:41pm Thu 24 Jan 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:Really wasn't it your very own Gordan Brown who admitted he got it so very wrong on letting in the Poles unlike the Germans & French who restricted them?
kingnotail wrote:EVIDENCE !!!!!! ...... He makes it up on the hoof then accuses everyone else of lying.
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
Lone Ranger supporting this Council & all the lies it has came out with then calling people liars who point it out I can only ever consider you a lying Labour Supporter & I'd love to find out you were a councillor then I could really print your name with your lies
Lone Ranger.
says...
10:14am Fri 25 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:Didnt produce the evidence that was asked of you ........ Where is it !!
Lone Ranger. wrote:Really wasn't it your very own Gordan Brown who admitted he got it so very wrong on letting in the Poles unlike the Germans & French who restricted them?
kingnotail wrote:EVIDENCE !!!!!! ...... He makes it up on the hoof then accuses everyone else of lying.
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
Lone Ranger supporting this Council & all the lies it has came out with then calling people liars who point it out I can only ever consider you a lying Labour Supporter & I'd love to find out you were a councillor then I could really print your name with your lies
.
I stick to my comments as printed as you could never convince me otherwise
loosehead
says...
10:37am Fri 25 Jan 13
Lone Ranger. wrote:Even if I had it put in front of your face in black & White you wouldn't believe in the truth.
loosehead wrote:Didnt produce the evidence that was asked of you ........ Where is it !!
Lone Ranger. wrote:Really wasn't it your very own Gordan Brown who admitted he got it so very wrong on letting in the Poles unlike the Germans & French who restricted them?
kingnotail wrote:EVIDENCE !!!!!! ...... He makes it up on the hoof then accuses everyone else of lying.
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
Lone Ranger supporting this Council & all the lies it has came out with then calling people liars who point it out I can only ever consider you a lying Labour Supporter & I'd love to find out you were a councillor then I could really print your name with your lies
.
I stick to my comments as printed as you could never convince me otherwise
You are so bigoted no other point of view or even the truth can be right it's your way or no way.
Unlike you I've openly apologised when it's been pointed out to me I'm wrong have you ever considered your wrong?
The letter I was talking about my friend felt such disgust in his union ( he's now a life time member) he burnt it.
He also didn't want his name in print so I know every thing about this & the Sea City Museum to be true so where am I lying?
We come on here we hear Kingnotail saying there's nothing in this city & saying it's a dive yet we had a council that tried to change that.
not only did they bring us Museums plus a Cultural Quarter there were plans for a snowdome( with Ice rink & rowing club) also a new fruit & veg market plus the expansion of Mayflower Park also many of the things Labour are now trying to take credit for were started by the Tories yet here you are slating the Tories?
Wasn't it you who said the refuse workers pay went to pay for Sea City Museum?
Wasn't that a lie?
So if the Tories hadn't applied for a grant how many of those workers would have any pay or indeed any job as wasn't this council going to cut 1-10 refuse jobs?
Only call me a liar if you can prove it & if your squeaky clean which your not
Lone Ranger.
says...
11:28am Fri 25 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:Oh dear ...... rant over.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Even if I had it put in front of your face in black & White you wouldn't believe in the truth.
loosehead wrote:Didnt produce the evidence that was asked of you ........ Where is it !!
Lone Ranger. wrote:Really wasn't it your very own Gordan Brown who admitted he got it so very wrong on letting in the Poles unlike the Germans & French who restricted them?
kingnotail wrote:EVIDENCE !!!!!! ...... He makes it up on the hoof then accuses everyone else of lying.
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
Lone Ranger supporting this Council & all the lies it has came out with then calling people liars who point it out I can only ever consider you a lying Labour Supporter & I'd love to find out you were a councillor then I could really print your name with your lies
.
I stick to my comments as printed as you could never convince me otherwise
You are so bigoted no other point of view or even the truth can be right it's your way or no way.
Unlike you I've openly apologised when it's been pointed out to me I'm wrong have you ever considered your wrong?
The letter I was talking about my friend felt such disgust in his union ( he's now a life time member) he burnt it.
He also didn't want his name in print so I know every thing about this & the Sea City Museum to be true so where am I lying?
We come on here we hear Kingnotail saying there's nothing in this city & saying it's a dive yet we had a council that tried to change that.
not only did they bring us Museums plus a Cultural Quarter there were plans for a snowdome( with Ice rink & rowing club) also a new fruit & veg market plus the expansion of Mayflower Park also many of the things Labour are now trying to take credit for were started by the Tories yet here you are slating the Tories?
Wasn't it you who said the refuse workers pay went to pay for Sea City Museum?
Wasn't that a lie?
So if the Tories hadn't applied for a grant how many of those workers would have any pay or indeed any job as wasn't this council going to cut 1-10 refuse jobs?
Only call me a liar if you can prove it & if your squeaky clean which your not
.
And you still cant produce evidence can you ..... because you dont have any ... It was a guess .... a figure pulled out of thin air
.
You can prattle as much as you like ... But i have have called you a liar some months ago and a hypocrite ...... And i have proven them to you to be true.
.
Now you may well have one supporter but like me most posters take your comments, (when understood) with a pinch of salt
.
kingnotail
says...
12:34pm Fri 25 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:Still no evidence then for your ridiculous 3,000,000 Poles claim? Typical baseless right-wing **** from a typical poorly-educated right-wing billsh1tter.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Even if I had it put in front of your face in black & White you wouldn't believe in the truth.
loosehead wrote:Didnt produce the evidence that was asked of you ........ Where is it !!
Lone Ranger. wrote:Really wasn't it your very own Gordan Brown who admitted he got it so very wrong on letting in the Poles unlike the Germans & French who restricted them?
kingnotail wrote:EVIDENCE !!!!!! ...... He makes it up on the hoof then accuses everyone else of lying.
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
Lone Ranger supporting this Council & all the lies it has came out with then calling people liars who point it out I can only ever consider you a lying Labour Supporter & I'd love to find out you were a councillor then I could really print your name with your lies
.
I stick to my comments as printed as you could never convince me otherwise
You are so bigoted no other point of view or even the truth can be right it's your way or no way.
Unlike you I've openly apologised when it's been pointed out to me I'm wrong have you ever considered your wrong?
The letter I was talking about my friend felt such disgust in his union ( he's now a life time member) he burnt it.
He also didn't want his name in print so I know every thing about this & the Sea City Museum to be true so where am I lying?
We come on here we hear Kingnotail saying there's nothing in this city & saying it's a dive yet we had a council that tried to change that.
not only did they bring us Museums plus a Cultural Quarter there were plans for a snowdome( with Ice rink & rowing club) also a new fruit & veg market plus the expansion of Mayflower Park also many of the things Labour are now trying to take credit for were started by the Tories yet here you are slating the Tories?
Wasn't it you who said the refuse workers pay went to pay for Sea City Museum?
Wasn't that a lie?
So if the Tories hadn't applied for a grant how many of those workers would have any pay or indeed any job as wasn't this council going to cut 1-10 refuse jobs?
Only call me a liar if you can prove it & if your squeaky clean which your not
kingnotail
says...
12:38pm Fri 25 Jan 13
kingnotail wrote:*bullsh1tter
loosehead wrote:Still no evidence then for your ridiculous 3,000,000 Poles claim? Typical baseless right-wing **** from a typical poorly-educated right-wing billsh1tter.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Even if I had it put in front of your face in black & White you wouldn't believe in the truth.
loosehead wrote:Didnt produce the evidence that was asked of you ........ Where is it !!
Lone Ranger. wrote:Really wasn't it your very own Gordan Brown who admitted he got it so very wrong on letting in the Poles unlike the Germans & French who restricted them?
kingnotail wrote:EVIDENCE !!!!!! ...... He makes it up on the hoof then accuses everyone else of lying.
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
Lone Ranger supporting this Council & all the lies it has came out with then calling people liars who point it out I can only ever consider you a lying Labour Supporter & I'd love to find out you were a councillor then I could really print your name with your lies
.
I stick to my comments as printed as you could never convince me otherwise
You are so bigoted no other point of view or even the truth can be right it's your way or no way.
Unlike you I've openly apologised when it's been pointed out to me I'm wrong have you ever considered your wrong?
The letter I was talking about my friend felt such disgust in his union ( he's now a life time member) he burnt it.
He also didn't want his name in print so I know every thing about this & the Sea City Museum to be true so where am I lying?
We come on here we hear Kingnotail saying there's nothing in this city & saying it's a dive yet we had a council that tried to change that.
not only did they bring us Museums plus a Cultural Quarter there were plans for a snowdome( with Ice rink & rowing club) also a new fruit & veg market plus the expansion of Mayflower Park also many of the things Labour are now trying to take credit for were started by the Tories yet here you are slating the Tories?
Wasn't it you who said the refuse workers pay went to pay for Sea City Museum?
Wasn't that a lie?
So if the Tories hadn't applied for a grant how many of those workers would have any pay or indeed any job as wasn't this council going to cut 1-10 refuse jobs?
Only call me a liar if you can prove it & if your squeaky clean which your not
aldermoorboy
says...
3:48pm Fri 25 Jan 13
Loosehead, I have said it before, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
You tell it as you see it and I believe you are spot on with your views and attitude.
You tell it as you see it and I believe you are spot on with your views and attitude.
loosehead
says...
5:12pm Fri 25 Jan 13
kingnotail wrote:Don't you listen to the news?
loosehead wrote:Still no evidence then for your ridiculous 3,000,000 Poles claim? Typical baseless right-wing **** from a typical poorly-educated right-wing billsh1tter.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Even if I had it put in front of your face in black & White you wouldn't believe in the truth.
loosehead wrote:Didnt produce the evidence that was asked of you ........ Where is it !!
Lone Ranger. wrote:Really wasn't it your very own Gordan Brown who admitted he got it so very wrong on letting in the Poles unlike the Germans & French who restricted them?
kingnotail wrote:EVIDENCE !!!!!! ...... He makes it up on the hoof then accuses everyone else of lying.
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
Lone Ranger supporting this Council & all the lies it has came out with then calling people liars who point it out I can only ever consider you a lying Labour Supporter & I'd love to find out you were a councillor then I could really print your name with your lies
.
I stick to my comments as printed as you could never convince me otherwise
You are so bigoted no other point of view or even the truth can be right it's your way or no way.
Unlike you I've openly apologised when it's been pointed out to me I'm wrong have you ever considered your wrong?
The letter I was talking about my friend felt such disgust in his union ( he's now a life time member) he burnt it.
He also didn't want his name in print so I know every thing about this & the Sea City Museum to be true so where am I lying?
We come on here we hear Kingnotail saying there's nothing in this city & saying it's a dive yet we had a council that tried to change that.
not only did they bring us Museums plus a Cultural Quarter there were plans for a snowdome( with Ice rink & rowing club) also a new fruit & veg market plus the expansion of Mayflower Park also many of the things Labour are now trying to take credit for were started by the Tories yet here you are slating the Tories?
Wasn't it you who said the refuse workers pay went to pay for Sea City Museum?
Wasn't that a lie?
So if the Tories hadn't applied for a grant how many of those workers would have any pay or indeed any job as wasn't this council going to cut 1-10 refuse jobs?
Only call me a liar if you can prove it & if your squeaky clean which your not
why was it that a third of the population of this city was Poles & they set up polling booths for the Polish elections in this city?
try timing the amount living here by every city in this country forgetting the towns & villages & if you can only come up with 250,000 then what school did you go to?
I quite like shopping in the 99p store looking at those gorgeous Polish woman but open your eyes go around Shirley,Shirley Warren, Portswood & see exactly how many there are just here.
if you want to call me names fine why don't you F O back to your beloved city/town/village?
if it's so good there why leave it or is it because no one wanted you there?
loosehead
says...
5:14pm Fri 25 Jan 13
aldermoorboy wrote:As I lived in Thailand I have no objection to anyone coming here to live legally I do have a problem with the politicians who c+ck up & we end up with far,far more than they said we would
Loosehead, I have said it before, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
You tell it as you see it and I believe you are spot on with your views and attitude.
kingnotail
says...
5:56pm Fri 25 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:Still no evidence for your ridiculous claims then? 'try timing the amount living here...' who's the one with the poor education?
kingnotail wrote:Don't you listen to the news?
loosehead wrote:Still no evidence then for your ridiculous 3,000,000 Poles claim? Typical baseless right-wing **** from a typical poorly-educated right-wing billsh1tter.
Lone Ranger. wrote:Even if I had it put in front of your face in black & White you wouldn't believe in the truth.
loosehead wrote:Didnt produce the evidence that was asked of you ........ Where is it !!
Lone Ranger. wrote:Really wasn't it your very own Gordan Brown who admitted he got it so very wrong on letting in the Poles unlike the Germans & French who restricted them?
kingnotail wrote:EVIDENCE !!!!!! ...... He makes it up on the hoof then accuses everyone else of lying.
loosehead wrote:Evidence please
freefinker wrote:at one point there was recorded 3million poles living here.
southy wrote:.. total Bow Locks, but only to be expected from you.
freefinker wrote:You know to well those figures was extreme right wing BS figures, if you want to find out how many are living away from those countrys then ask that country in question.
southy wrote:.. absolute rubbish. And you can't back up this 1,000 statistic at all, can you?
derek james wrote:To date the only Romanias and Hungians and Bulgarians have only been a few in number, not even a 1000 have come to britian in the time period that they have joined the EU, and there is no suggestion thats going to change
Lone Ranger. wrote:the last government quoted 15000 a year in 2004 , that number came to southampton alone, expect shedloads of roma gypsies who are hated in there own country, it will seem like paradise here, more to add to the pro-eu voting population of this country to secure a no -to leave vote, how cameron and clegg love the likes of you
jen1 wrote:Great ......... and the solution is ?????
Google petition /41492 to stop mass immigration from Bulgaria and Romania
.
Do you know how many are coming ?????????
.
And what do you consider to be mass ??????????
Hungarians have unlimited access to the UK jobs market.
Romanians and Bulgarians have restricted access to our jobs market at present, although this changes soon. Their self-employed, however, can set up here on an unrestricted basis and work permits for PAYE employment can be applied for.
It is estimated there were 60,000 Romanians working in the UK in 2011 - I don't have the 2012 figure but it is no doubt larger.
The biggest European community in the UK are the French and there numbers don't even reach any where those numbers, they don't even reach 10,000 in numbers.
The Romania's are not that fuss coming here, they have every thing that we have here and they are willing to go totally all out on strikes, demos and rallys like they did last year in Romania to protect what they got from the government, they force there government to resign.
So, there are less than 10,000 Polish people in the UK accouring to you? Do leave off.
And don't accuse me of using 'extreme right wing' propaganda. You need to look at the official UK government websites for accurate statistics.
2011 census results - 579,000 people of Polish origin live in the UK. I think even you must recognise that is just a little higher than your 10,000 French statistic.
As I keep maintaining, you just make it up as you go along. Lies, lies and quite deliberate lies.
Lone Ranger supporting this Council & all the lies it has came out with then calling people liars who point it out I can only ever consider you a lying Labour Supporter & I'd love to find out you were a councillor then I could really print your name with your lies
.
I stick to my comments as printed as you could never convince me otherwise
You are so bigoted no other point of view or even the truth can be right it's your way or no way.
Unlike you I've openly apologised when it's been pointed out to me I'm wrong have you ever considered your wrong?
The letter I was talking about my friend felt such disgust in his union ( he's now a life time member) he burnt it.
He also didn't want his name in print so I know every thing about this & the Sea City Museum to be true so where am I lying?
We come on here we hear Kingnotail saying there's nothing in this city & saying it's a dive yet we had a council that tried to change that.
not only did they bring us Museums plus a Cultural Quarter there were plans for a snowdome( with Ice rink & rowing club) also a new fruit & veg market plus the expansion of Mayflower Park also many of the things Labour are now trying to take credit for were started by the Tories yet here you are slating the Tories?
Wasn't it you who said the refuse workers pay went to pay for Sea City Museum?
Wasn't that a lie?
So if the Tories hadn't applied for a grant how many of those workers would have any pay or indeed any job as wasn't this council going to cut 1-10 refuse jobs?
Only call me a liar if you can prove it & if your squeaky clean which your not
why was it that a third of the population of this city was Poles & they set up polling booths for the Polish elections in this city?
try timing the amount living here by every city in this country forgetting the towns & villages & if you can only come up with 250,000 then what school did you go to?
I quite like shopping in the 99p store looking at those gorgeous Polish woman but open your eyes go around Shirley,Shirley Warren, Portswood & see exactly how many there are just here.
if you want to call me names fine why don't you F O back to your beloved city/town/village?
if it's so good there why leave it or is it because no one wanted you there?
kingnotail
says...
5:59pm Fri 25 Jan 13
aldermoorboy wrote:If you like statistics pulled randomly out of nowhere and a constant stream of **** stories along the lines of 'my brother/aunt/mate/ne
Loosehead, I have said it before, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
You tell it as you see it and I believe you are spot on with your views and attitude.
ighbour's dog's nephew's cousin does this so I know best about any topic under the sun.
loosehead
says...
6:52pm Fri 25 Jan 13
kingnotail wrote:I write & I use my live to put my point over you just slag down this city & it's residents your either a very immature young boy or your a pompey person on here slagging off Southampton either way i've lived through the referendum how old were you?
aldermoorboy wrote:If you like statistics pulled randomly out of nowhere and a constant stream of **** stories along the lines of 'my brother/aunt/mate/ne
Loosehead, I have said it before, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
You tell it as you see it and I believe you are spot on with your views and attitude.
ighbour's dog's nephew's cousin does this so I know best about any topic under the sun.
I've lived through the 3 day week were you born/
you see I talk about what I know I haven't printed any one else's name on her but I have printed my own.
To show what I say has a concrete foundation I would have to print names & I'm not willing to do that so I have to put up with a low life like you calling me names or suggesting I'm lying why don't you go back to your beloved Mecca/Paradise come on answer why not go away from this city you so hate?
kingnotail
says...
10:15pm Fri 25 Jan 13
loosehead wrote:Still no evidence then
kingnotail wrote:I write & I use my live to put my point over you just slag down this city & it's residents your either a very immature young boy or your a pompey person on here slagging off Southampton either way i've lived through the referendum how old were you?
aldermoorboy wrote:If you like statistics pulled randomly out of nowhere and a constant stream of **** stories along the lines of 'my brother/aunt/mate/ne
Loosehead, I have said it before, Southampton is a better place because you live in it.
You tell it as you see it and I believe you are spot on with your views and attitude.
ighbour's dog's nephew's cousin does this so I know best about any topic under the sun.
I've lived through the 3 day week were you born/
you see I talk about what I know I haven't printed any one else's name on her but I have printed my own.
To show what I say has a concrete foundation I would have to print names & I'm not willing to do that so I have to put up with a low life like you calling me names or suggesting I'm lying why don't you go back to your beloved Mecca/Paradise come on answer why not go away from this city you so hate?
StevenGalton says...
3:53pm Wed 23 Jan 13
I'm sorry but that is pretty clear and conclusive to me. It also makes no mention of a future situation that would change his mind... Are these now more words of Labour's that can't be trusted - seems a pattern developing here!