More police to be armed with Taser guns on Hampshire streets?

Daily Echo: More frontline police to be armed with Taser guns? More frontline police to be armed with Taser guns?

HUNDREDS more police officers could be armed with Taser guns on the streets of Hampshire, the Daily Echo can reveal.

The county’s new chief constable Andy Marsh said a review was under way that could see frontline officers in rural communities given the weapon in the fight agaisnt violence.

It comes as new figures reveal that there were 70 crimes involving firearms in Hampshire and the Isle of Wight during the past year and after repeated attacks and assaults on officers and PCSOs in the past six weeks.

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8:19am Fri 8 Feb 13

arthur dalyrimple says...

just getting ready for the collapse of the uk economy round about april time.
just getting ready for the collapse of the uk economy round about april time. arthur dalyrimple
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8:53am Fri 8 Feb 13

CharlieOxbridge says...

More innocent members of the public to be shot and tasered then.
More innocent members of the public to be shot and tasered then. CharlieOxbridge
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8:57am Fri 8 Feb 13

Richard 51 says...

That's shocking ......
That's shocking ...... Richard 51
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9:03am Fri 8 Feb 13

Raxx says...

Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus?

Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it.

There are many other examples too...
Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too... Raxx
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9:07am Fri 8 Feb 13

sotonwinch09 says...

Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray. sotonwinch09
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9:09am Fri 8 Feb 13

sotonwinch09 says...

Raxx wrote:
Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus?

Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it.

There are many other examples too...
What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.
[quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...[/p][/quote]What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon. sotonwinch09
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9:25am Fri 8 Feb 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus?

Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it.

There are many other examples too...
What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.
Tasers can still be lethal if the target is too young or too old or has underlying health issues.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...[/p][/quote]What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.[/p][/quote]Tasers can still be lethal if the target is too young or too old or has underlying health issues. Ginger_cyclist
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9:38am Fri 8 Feb 13

sotonwinch09 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus?

Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it.

There are many other examples too...
What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.
Tasers can still be lethal if the target is too young or too old or has underlying health issues.
Anything can be lethal to anyone. Hitting someone with a massive metal stick can be lethal but all police are armed with those.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...[/p][/quote]What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.[/p][/quote]Tasers can still be lethal if the target is too young or too old or has underlying health issues.[/p][/quote]Anything can be lethal to anyone. Hitting someone with a massive metal stick can be lethal but all police are armed with those. sotonwinch09
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9:43am Fri 8 Feb 13

S!monOn says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus?

Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it.

There are many other examples too...
What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.
You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them.

Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...[/p][/quote]What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.[/p][/quote]You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them. Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be. S!monOn
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10:18am Fri 8 Feb 13

PaddyDucks says...

Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force.
Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force. PaddyDucks
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10:30am Fri 8 Feb 13

Raxx says...

S!monOn wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus?

Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it.

There are many other examples too...
What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.
You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them.

Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be.
You hear more and more about assaults by police officers too.

De Menezes, Hillsborough, Tomlinson, the waterboarding at Enfield nick, plebgate, the undercover scandals, etc etc etc... If you think the police can be trusted with tasers then you must be living on a different planet tbh.
[quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...[/p][/quote]What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.[/p][/quote]You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them. Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be.[/p][/quote]You hear more and more about assaults by police officers too. De Menezes, Hillsborough, Tomlinson, the waterboarding at Enfield nick, plebgate, the undercover scandals, etc etc etc... If you think the police can be trusted with tasers then you must be living on a different planet tbh. Raxx
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10:37am Fri 8 Feb 13

sotonwinch09 says...

PaddyDucks wrote:
Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force.
We have never been an unarmed force. There are always firearms cars on patrol in Hampshire at any time. These carry real guns! Also CS spray is glassed as a sec5 firearm by the home office but every officer carry's these.
[quote][p][bold]PaddyDucks[/bold] wrote: Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force.[/p][/quote]We have never been an unarmed force. There are always firearms cars on patrol in Hampshire at any time. These carry real guns! Also CS spray is glassed as a sec5 firearm by the home office but every officer carry's these. sotonwinch09
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11:08am Fri 8 Feb 13

PaddyDucks says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
PaddyDucks wrote:
Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force.
We have never been an unarmed force. There are always firearms cars on patrol in Hampshire at any time. These carry real guns! Also CS spray is glassed as a sec5 firearm by the home office but every officer carry's these.
I'm of a mind the police are more dangerous than the public...
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaddyDucks[/bold] wrote: Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force.[/p][/quote]We have never been an unarmed force. There are always firearms cars on patrol in Hampshire at any time. These carry real guns! Also CS spray is glassed as a sec5 firearm by the home office but every officer carry's these.[/p][/quote]I'm of a mind the police are more dangerous than the public... PaddyDucks
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11:35am Fri 8 Feb 13

miltonarcher says...

PaddyDucks wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
PaddyDucks wrote:
Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force.
We have never been an unarmed force. There are always firearms cars on patrol in Hampshire at any time. These carry real guns! Also CS spray is glassed as a sec5 firearm by the home office but every officer carry's these.
I'm of a mind the police are more dangerous than the public...
You are a fool
[quote][p][bold]PaddyDucks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PaddyDucks[/bold] wrote: Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force.[/p][/quote]We have never been an unarmed force. There are always firearms cars on patrol in Hampshire at any time. These carry real guns! Also CS spray is glassed as a sec5 firearm by the home office but every officer carry's these.[/p][/quote]I'm of a mind the police are more dangerous than the public...[/p][/quote]You are a fool miltonarcher
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12:26pm Fri 8 Feb 13

elvisimo says...

Raxx wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Raxx wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...
What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.
You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them. Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be.
You hear more and more about assaults by police officers too. De Menezes, Hillsborough, Tomlinson, the waterboarding at Enfield nick, plebgate, the undercover scandals, etc etc etc... If you think the police can be trusted with tasers then you must be living on a different planet tbh.
I think you are the one living on a different planet.

You pick a handful of examples of poor police behaviour over a large number of years and that is your evidence?

I think you need a reality check. Do you assume that like any profession things are not perfect 100% of the time or do you apply different standards to the police.

Try their job for a few days. See what you think then.
[quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...[/p][/quote]What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.[/p][/quote]You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them. Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be.[/p][/quote]You hear more and more about assaults by police officers too. De Menezes, Hillsborough, Tomlinson, the waterboarding at Enfield nick, plebgate, the undercover scandals, etc etc etc... If you think the police can be trusted with tasers then you must be living on a different planet tbh.[/p][/quote]I think you are the one living on a different planet. You pick a handful of examples of poor police behaviour over a large number of years and that is your evidence? I think you need a reality check. Do you assume that like any profession things are not perfect 100% of the time or do you apply different standards to the police. Try their job for a few days. See what you think then. elvisimo
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12:26pm Fri 8 Feb 13

S!monOn says...

Raxx wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Raxx wrote:
Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus?

Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it.

There are many other examples too...
What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.
You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them.

Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be.
You hear more and more about assaults by police officers too.

De Menezes, Hillsborough, Tomlinson, the waterboarding at Enfield nick, plebgate, the undercover scandals, etc etc etc... If you think the police can be trusted with tasers then you must be living on a different planet tbh.
I want adequate law enforcement with officers with adequately equipped to handle criminals, if you think otherwise then i'm glad you live on a different planet tbh.
[quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...[/p][/quote]What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.[/p][/quote]You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them. Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be.[/p][/quote]You hear more and more about assaults by police officers too. De Menezes, Hillsborough, Tomlinson, the waterboarding at Enfield nick, plebgate, the undercover scandals, etc etc etc... If you think the police can be trusted with tasers then you must be living on a different planet tbh.[/p][/quote]I want adequate law enforcement with officers with adequately equipped to handle criminals, if you think otherwise then i'm glad you live on a different planet tbh. S!monOn
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12:31pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Raxx says...

elvisimo wrote:
Raxx wrote:
S!monOn wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Raxx wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...
What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.
You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them. Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be.
You hear more and more about assaults by police officers too. De Menezes, Hillsborough, Tomlinson, the waterboarding at Enfield nick, plebgate, the undercover scandals, etc etc etc... If you think the police can be trusted with tasers then you must be living on a different planet tbh.
I think you are the one living on a different planet.

You pick a handful of examples of poor police behaviour over a large number of years and that is your evidence?

I think you need a reality check. Do you assume that like any profession things are not perfect 100% of the time or do you apply different standards to the police.

Try their job for a few days. See what you think then.
Corruption and abuse of power within the force is endemic. The handful of cases I listed are only the ones that received mass attention - others happen every single day. What's more, they were not isolated anomalies, they involved systematic lies and cover up by the force at large.

People like you remain deaf and blind to the wrongdoings of the police, up until the day that you are unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Then you'll scream blue murder and demand satisfaction. But people won't listen, because they'll think as you do now.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S!monOn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Raxx[/bold] wrote: Are they going to taser more people for being in a diabetic coma on a bus? Google "Nicholas Gaubert" if you're not familiar with it. There are many other examples too...[/p][/quote]What's the issue? Yes the use was wrong in that situation but if this was america he could have been shot dead. Taser is a non lethal weapon.[/p][/quote]You hear more and more about assaults on police officers so I don't blame them. Thugs aren't afraid of any law enforcement anymore... it's time they should be.[/p][/quote]You hear more and more about assaults by police officers too. De Menezes, Hillsborough, Tomlinson, the waterboarding at Enfield nick, plebgate, the undercover scandals, etc etc etc... If you think the police can be trusted with tasers then you must be living on a different planet tbh.[/p][/quote]I think you are the one living on a different planet. You pick a handful of examples of poor police behaviour over a large number of years and that is your evidence? I think you need a reality check. Do you assume that like any profession things are not perfect 100% of the time or do you apply different standards to the police. Try their job for a few days. See what you think then.[/p][/quote]Corruption and abuse of power within the force is endemic. The handful of cases I listed are only the ones that received mass attention - others happen every single day. What's more, they were not isolated anomalies, they involved systematic lies and cover up by the force at large. People like you remain deaf and blind to the wrongdoings of the police, up until the day that you are unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Then you'll scream blue murder and demand satisfaction. But people won't listen, because they'll think as you do now. Raxx
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12:53pm Fri 8 Feb 13

roofspace says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.[/p][/quote]Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police. roofspace
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1:22pm Fri 8 Feb 13

sotonwinch09 says...

roofspace wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.
If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc.

You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple!

Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'
[quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.[/p][/quote]Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.[/p][/quote]If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc. You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple! Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's' sotonwinch09
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1:53pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SotonLad says...

PaddyDucks wrote:
Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force.
CS spray is technically a firearm too.
[quote][p][bold]PaddyDucks[/bold] wrote: Taser is regarded as a firearm by the Home Office. It also means our police are no longer an unarmed force.[/p][/quote]CS spray is technically a firearm too. SotonLad
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2:10pm Fri 8 Feb 13

soton34 says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
roofspace wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.
If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc.

You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple!

Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'
Sotonwinch09 - I've read your comments in response to 'roofspace' and 'raxx' and for what its worth I fully agree with you! Whilst no-one pretends the Police haven't had (and will continue to have) bad eggs in the force they continue to be rooted out then booted out and you only have had to listen to the new Chief Constable of Hampshire on the radio this morning to confirm that. Stay on the right side of the law and behave in a decent proper manner and the only encounter you are ever likely to have is a 'good morning' as an officer passes you in the street (and I speak from personal experience on that). Do I fear the Taser or other Police use of force ........ NO ......... because I respect those around me and the laws that bind us which doesn't bring me into conflict with the brave people that try to make our country a safer, better place!!
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.[/p][/quote]Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.[/p][/quote]If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc. You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple! Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'[/p][/quote]Sotonwinch09 - I've read your comments in response to 'roofspace' and 'raxx' and for what its worth I fully agree with you! Whilst no-one pretends the Police haven't had (and will continue to have) bad eggs in the force they continue to be rooted out then booted out and you only have had to listen to the new Chief Constable of Hampshire on the radio this morning to confirm that. Stay on the right side of the law and behave in a decent proper manner and the only encounter you are ever likely to have is a 'good morning' as an officer passes you in the street (and I speak from personal experience on that). Do I fear the Taser or other Police use of force ........ NO ......... because I respect those around me and the laws that bind us which doesn't bring me into conflict with the brave people that try to make our country a safer, better place!! soton34
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2:29pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Raxx says...

Your naivety is staggering.
Your naivety is staggering. Raxx
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3:04pm Fri 8 Feb 13

roofspace says...

soton34 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
roofspace wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.
If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc.

You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple!

Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'
Sotonwinch09 - I've read your comments in response to 'roofspace' and 'raxx' and for what its worth I fully agree with you! Whilst no-one pretends the Police haven't had (and will continue to have) bad eggs in the force they continue to be rooted out then booted out and you only have had to listen to the new Chief Constable of Hampshire on the radio this morning to confirm that. Stay on the right side of the law and behave in a decent proper manner and the only encounter you are ever likely to have is a 'good morning' as an officer passes you in the street (and I speak from personal experience on that). Do I fear the Taser or other Police use of force ........ NO ......... because I respect those around me and the laws that bind us which doesn't bring me into conflict with the brave people that try to make our country a safer, better place!!
Thanks to all those who responded to my post as All of them agreed with my statement and NONE actually disputed the facts on police violence.
[quote][p][bold]soton34[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.[/p][/quote]Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.[/p][/quote]If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc. You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple! Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'[/p][/quote]Sotonwinch09 - I've read your comments in response to 'roofspace' and 'raxx' and for what its worth I fully agree with you! Whilst no-one pretends the Police haven't had (and will continue to have) bad eggs in the force they continue to be rooted out then booted out and you only have had to listen to the new Chief Constable of Hampshire on the radio this morning to confirm that. Stay on the right side of the law and behave in a decent proper manner and the only encounter you are ever likely to have is a 'good morning' as an officer passes you in the street (and I speak from personal experience on that). Do I fear the Taser or other Police use of force ........ NO ......... because I respect those around me and the laws that bind us which doesn't bring me into conflict with the brave people that try to make our country a safer, better place!![/p][/quote]Thanks to all those who responded to my post as All of them agreed with my statement and NONE actually disputed the facts on police violence. roofspace
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3:54pm Fri 8 Feb 13

sotonwinch09 says...

roofspace wrote:
soton34 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
roofspace wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.
If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc.

You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple!

Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'
Sotonwinch09 - I've read your comments in response to 'roofspace' and 'raxx' and for what its worth I fully agree with you! Whilst no-one pretends the Police haven't had (and will continue to have) bad eggs in the force they continue to be rooted out then booted out and you only have had to listen to the new Chief Constable of Hampshire on the radio this morning to confirm that. Stay on the right side of the law and behave in a decent proper manner and the only encounter you are ever likely to have is a 'good morning' as an officer passes you in the street (and I speak from personal experience on that). Do I fear the Taser or other Police use of force ........ NO ......... because I respect those around me and the laws that bind us which doesn't bring me into conflict with the brave people that try to make our country a safer, better place!!
Thanks to all those who responded to my post as All of them agreed with my statement and NONE actually disputed the facts on police violence.
Police can be violent and this is covered by law. Reasonable force can be used to make an arrest or to control a crowd. Don't agree with the law? Write to your MP.
[quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton34[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.[/p][/quote]Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.[/p][/quote]If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc. You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple! Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'[/p][/quote]Sotonwinch09 - I've read your comments in response to 'roofspace' and 'raxx' and for what its worth I fully agree with you! Whilst no-one pretends the Police haven't had (and will continue to have) bad eggs in the force they continue to be rooted out then booted out and you only have had to listen to the new Chief Constable of Hampshire on the radio this morning to confirm that. Stay on the right side of the law and behave in a decent proper manner and the only encounter you are ever likely to have is a 'good morning' as an officer passes you in the street (and I speak from personal experience on that). Do I fear the Taser or other Police use of force ........ NO ......... because I respect those around me and the laws that bind us which doesn't bring me into conflict with the brave people that try to make our country a safer, better place!![/p][/quote]Thanks to all those who responded to my post as All of them agreed with my statement and NONE actually disputed the facts on police violence.[/p][/quote]Police can be violent and this is covered by law. Reasonable force can be used to make an arrest or to control a crowd. Don't agree with the law? Write to your MP. sotonwinch09
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4:23pm Fri 8 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

I fully support the suggestion of having Police carry Tasers. Officers have to deal with the very lowest people in society and the only ones who need to fear Tasers are the ones who likely deserve to be shot by one.

All of us Law abiding people will never see one being pulled on us.

The Police should not have to fear using one either which is currently the situation.

Great idea, now roll it out and support the officers when they discharge one against a criminal.
I fully support the suggestion of having Police carry Tasers. Officers have to deal with the very lowest people in society and the only ones who need to fear Tasers are the ones who likely deserve to be shot by one. All of us Law abiding people will never see one being pulled on us. The Police should not have to fear using one either which is currently the situation. Great idea, now roll it out and support the officers when they discharge one against a criminal. IronLady2010
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4:35pm Fri 8 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
roofspace wrote:
soton34 wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
roofspace wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.
If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc.

You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple!

Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'
Sotonwinch09 - I've read your comments in response to 'roofspace' and 'raxx' and for what its worth I fully agree with you! Whilst no-one pretends the Police haven't had (and will continue to have) bad eggs in the force they continue to be rooted out then booted out and you only have had to listen to the new Chief Constable of Hampshire on the radio this morning to confirm that. Stay on the right side of the law and behave in a decent proper manner and the only encounter you are ever likely to have is a 'good morning' as an officer passes you in the street (and I speak from personal experience on that). Do I fear the Taser or other Police use of force ........ NO ......... because I respect those around me and the laws that bind us which doesn't bring me into conflict with the brave people that try to make our country a safer, better place!!
Thanks to all those who responded to my post as All of them agreed with my statement and NONE actually disputed the facts on police violence.
Police can be violent and this is covered by law. Reasonable force can be used to make an arrest or to control a crowd. Don't agree with the law? Write to your MP.
"Reasonable" force, yes.

In reality, they often use far more than that.

Ever seen the video of the soldier on home leave from Afghanistan, getting his head ground into the pavement by a copper for enjoyment?

Almost 1,500 deaths in police custody or immediately after police contact since 1990. Not one conviction. What are the odds of that eh?

There are two organisations that operate the code of 'Omerta'. One's the mafia, and the other is the boys in blue.
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton34[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.[/p][/quote]Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.[/p][/quote]If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc. You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple! Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'[/p][/quote]Sotonwinch09 - I've read your comments in response to 'roofspace' and 'raxx' and for what its worth I fully agree with you! Whilst no-one pretends the Police haven't had (and will continue to have) bad eggs in the force they continue to be rooted out then booted out and you only have had to listen to the new Chief Constable of Hampshire on the radio this morning to confirm that. Stay on the right side of the law and behave in a decent proper manner and the only encounter you are ever likely to have is a 'good morning' as an officer passes you in the street (and I speak from personal experience on that). Do I fear the Taser or other Police use of force ........ NO ......... because I respect those around me and the laws that bind us which doesn't bring me into conflict with the brave people that try to make our country a safer, better place!![/p][/quote]Thanks to all those who responded to my post as All of them agreed with my statement and NONE actually disputed the facts on police violence.[/p][/quote]Police can be violent and this is covered by law. Reasonable force can be used to make an arrest or to control a crowd. Don't agree with the law? Write to your MP.[/p][/quote]"Reasonable" force, yes. In reality, they often use far more than that. Ever seen the video of the soldier on home leave from Afghanistan, getting his head ground into the pavement by a copper for enjoyment? Almost 1,500 deaths in police custody or immediately after police contact since 1990. Not one conviction. What are the odds of that eh? There are two organisations that operate the code of 'Omerta'. One's the mafia, and the other is the boys in blue. cantthinkofone
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5:26pm Fri 8 Feb 13

100%HANTSBOY says...

sotonwinch09 wrote:
roofspace wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.
If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc.

You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple!

Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'
Very well said
[quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.[/p][/quote]Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.[/p][/quote]If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc. You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple! Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'[/p][/quote]Very well said 100%HANTSBOY
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6:19pm Fri 8 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
roofspace wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.
If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc.

You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple!

Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'
Very well said
Well said yes, but cobblers nonetheless.

Plenty of very respectable and law-abiding citizens have found themselves abused and assaulted by the police.

Try being law-abiding but also ethnic, poor, long-haired, or just visually distinctive by virtue of your haircut or clothing. Try being law-abiding but young and male in the wrong place at the wrong time. Try being law-abiding but living on a sink estate. See how often the police call you 'sir' then.

I've met a few good, honest officers, and I'm sure there are plenty more. Unfortunately, the institution itself is rotten.

And FTR - in case you wish to jump to poor conclusions - I'm myself white, middle-class, well employed, and have never been in trouble with the police.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.[/p][/quote]Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.[/p][/quote]If you act like a normal human being then you will never meet public order trained officer. In 30 years of my lift I have never seen a raised metal bar or come across officers dressed in riot gear because I don't attend these so called 'demo's' and I don't riot at football etc. You are only going to be placed in rigid cuffs and be sprayed by CS if you break the law. So don't break the law. It's simple! Local village bobbies are not dressed in riot gear. You will only see this intimidating look if you attend these 'demo's'[/p][/quote]Very well said[/p][/quote]Well said yes, but cobblers nonetheless. Plenty of very respectable and law-abiding citizens have found themselves abused and assaulted by the police. Try being law-abiding but also ethnic, poor, long-haired, or just visually distinctive by virtue of your haircut or clothing. Try being law-abiding but young and male in the wrong place at the wrong time. Try being law-abiding but living on a sink estate. See how often the police call you 'sir' then. I've met a few good, honest officers, and I'm sure there are plenty more. Unfortunately, the institution itself is rotten. And FTR - in case you wish to jump to poor conclusions - I'm myself white, middle-class, well employed, and have never been in trouble with the police. cantthinkofone
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7:12pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Forest Resident says...

The stereotyping of the majority of UK police officers as violence crazed thugs is quite frankly insulting to the memory of brave officers like PC's Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes. Until you yourself have pulled on the uniform and put the lives of strangers before yourself and your family you will never understand what the job truly means, or what kind of person it takes to endure the very worst life can throw at you on an almost daily basis. Police Officers deserve the very best protection, well done to Andy Marsh for looking after those that look after us.
The stereotyping of the majority of UK police officers as violence crazed thugs is quite frankly insulting to the memory of brave officers like PC's Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes. Until you yourself have pulled on the uniform and put the lives of strangers before yourself and your family you will never understand what the job truly means, or what kind of person it takes to endure the very worst life can throw at you on an almost daily basis. Police Officers deserve the very best protection, well done to Andy Marsh for looking after those that look after us. Forest Resident
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7:16pm Fri 8 Feb 13

forest hump says...

All of you whingers and whiners need to think long and hard. The low life scum that our Police have to deal with deserve all they get! What if they have this? what if they are allergic and, and, and!
If they were genuine, law abiding citizens then ther is no issue. It is about time these scum were dealt with a deterrent that hurts. In my book, they all deserve a good old fashoined thrashing. Perhaps then they might think twice.
All of you whingers and whiners need to think long and hard. The low life scum that our Police have to deal with deserve all they get! What if they have this? what if they are allergic and, and, and! If they were genuine, law abiding citizens then ther is no issue. It is about time these scum were dealt with a deterrent that hurts. In my book, they all deserve a good old fashoined thrashing. Perhaps then they might think twice. forest hump
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8:44pm Fri 8 Feb 13

B. L. says...

roofspace wrote:
sotonwinch09 wrote:
Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything.

Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.
Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.
Your post has more holes in it than a sieve, where on earth do you get your information, comic books or watching too much TV.

"Handcuffs designed to inflict pain", what a moronic statement.

"CS gas spray designed to inflict pain and injury", another moronic statement.

"thugs dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets and high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified", I suppose it wouldn't be for their own protection or is that beyond your mindset.

"They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns", really ? I suppose you don't believe that these are specialist units and not everyday beat cops.

"If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", and who would maintain some semblance of a civilised society.

I would hazard a guess that if you were in dire trouble, you would be the first to scream out for the police, but then again, I think that you are the type that necessitates the police having to be equipped with all of the above.

Just for info, read most of the sensible posts on this forum, particularly forest hump at 7:16pm. You may get the idea that the majority of people are actually law abiding and in favour of the recommendations.
[quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonwinch09[/bold] wrote: Good. Personally all front line officers should be issues with taser. Youths then might actually think twice about spitting or punching a police officer. Back when I was younger we had respect for the police. Now the younger generation think they can get away with anything. Before the anti-taser brigade come moaning. Go out yourself in the shoes of the police and go to a call to disarm a male armed with a knife with nothing but CS Spray.[/p][/quote]Violence begats violence. When I was young they carried a wooden truncheon and had the public on their side. Today it has been replaced by an extending 3 foot steel bar. Where once they carried a pair of flexible handcuffs whose only purpose was to restrain anyone arrested these have been replaced by rigid a pair whose sole purpose is to inflict pain on the wearer. CS gas spray has but one purpose that is also to inflict pain and injury to the public. If one attends a public demonstration they are met with thugs (no other word for it) dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets with high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified, elbow pads, shin pads, steel toe-capped boots, riot shields and steel bars. They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns. Our new top cop wants to enable every one with Tasers. Didn't the know anything about the job before they signed up? If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. I doubt if the majority of the public would go their aid if asked as they run more risk of being assaulted by the police.[/p][/quote]Your post has more holes in it than a sieve, where on earth do you get your information, comic books or watching too much TV. "Handcuffs designed to inflict pain", what a moronic statement. "CS gas spray designed to inflict pain and injury", another moronic statement. "thugs dressed in crash helmets, padded jackets and high collars to mask their face so they cannot be identified", I suppose it wouldn't be for their own protection or is that beyond your mindset. "They already have access to semi-automatic and automatic firearms AND machine guns", really ? I suppose you don't believe that these are specialist units and not everyday beat cops. "If they can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", and who would maintain some semblance of a civilised society. I would hazard a guess that if you were in dire trouble, you would be the first to scream out for the police, but then again, I think that you are the type that necessitates the police having to be equipped with all of the above. Just for info, read most of the sensible posts on this forum, particularly forest hump at 7:16pm. You may get the idea that the majority of people are actually law abiding and in favour of the recommendations. B. L.
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9:27pm Fri 8 Feb 13

MiddleOfRoad says...

Excellent move. For too long the UK Police have been handicapped in their ability to deal with the ever increasing violence to them and the community.
Where once the truncheon, if worn, was the sole means of very limited defence now the truncheon is woefully inadequate against gun wielding, knife wielding, axe wielding, pole wielding etc violent criminals or mentally ill persons.
UK society has changed irrevocably in the last 30 years.
Drug trafficking, particularly among various ethnic groups, has spawned enormous violence, respect for Police has diminished to probably an all time low due to our western society losing its way, the multi-cultural values and animosities that now permeate our western societies also add to this untenable situation.
Add to this mix the now "set in stone" psychology of entitlements and me-me-me generations, we have an almost impossible task for unarmed Police.
The extendable baton, capsicum spray are woefully inadequate to deal with the vast array of violent and or psychotic incidents that now characterise our western worlds.
The almost entirely non-lethal taser is an excellent step forward in what is now a battlefield. It will give both Police and the public confidence that this encroaching tide of anarchy and violence - almost Mad Max style- ca at least be stemmed.
Providing the Police have adequate training and sensible policies on drawing and using the taser, we will see a return to a more acceptable society. The key here is sensible policy implementation - not some highly restrictive butt covering policy designed by weak politically correct self serving senior Police or bureaucrats which will effectively neuter effective use of tasers.
Excellent move. For too long the UK Police have been handicapped in their ability to deal with the ever increasing violence to them and the community. Where once the truncheon, if worn, was the sole means of very limited defence now the truncheon is woefully inadequate against gun wielding, knife wielding, axe wielding, pole wielding etc violent criminals or mentally ill persons. UK society has changed irrevocably in the last 30 years. Drug trafficking, particularly among various ethnic groups, has spawned enormous violence, respect for Police has diminished to probably an all time low due to our western society losing its way, the multi-cultural values and animosities that now permeate our western societies also add to this untenable situation. Add to this mix the now "set in stone" psychology of entitlements and me-me-me generations, we have an almost impossible task for unarmed Police. The extendable baton, capsicum spray are woefully inadequate to deal with the vast array of violent and or psychotic incidents that now characterise our western worlds. The almost entirely non-lethal taser is an excellent step forward in what is now a battlefield. It will give both Police and the public confidence that this encroaching tide of anarchy and violence - almost Mad Max style- ca at least be stemmed. Providing the Police have adequate training and sensible policies on drawing and using the taser, we will see a return to a more acceptable society. The key here is sensible policy implementation - not some highly restrictive butt covering policy designed by weak politically correct self serving senior Police or bureaucrats which will effectively neuter effective use of tasers. MiddleOfRoad
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9:34pm Fri 8 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Forest Resident wrote:
The stereotyping of the majority of UK police officers as violence crazed thugs is quite frankly insulting to the memory of brave officers like PC's Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes. Until you yourself have pulled on the uniform and put the lives of strangers before yourself and your family you will never understand what the job truly means, or what kind of person it takes to endure the very worst life can throw at you on an almost daily basis. Police Officers deserve the very best protection, well done to Andy Marsh for looking after those that look after us.
You have that first statement completely @rse about t1t.

What's utterly disgusting to the memories of PCs Bone and Hughes (and a number of other decent officers) is the conduct of their colleagues.

And yes, the police SHOULD be held to much higher standards than other professions. That's the deal when you accept that level of power and responsibility.

'Policing by consent' was an attribute that the UK could rightly be proud of. It's disappearing fast though. Ask yourself why (and if you don't recognise the term than at least have the self-respect to google it before replying).
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The stereotyping of the majority of UK police officers as violence crazed thugs is quite frankly insulting to the memory of brave officers like PC's Fiona Bone and Nicola Hughes. Until you yourself have pulled on the uniform and put the lives of strangers before yourself and your family you will never understand what the job truly means, or what kind of person it takes to endure the very worst life can throw at you on an almost daily basis. Police Officers deserve the very best protection, well done to Andy Marsh for looking after those that look after us.[/p][/quote]You have that first statement completely @rse about t1t. What's utterly disgusting to the memories of PCs Bone and Hughes (and a number of other decent officers) is the conduct of their colleagues. And yes, the police SHOULD be held to much higher standards than other professions. That's the deal when you accept that level of power and responsibility. 'Policing by consent' was an attribute that the UK could rightly be proud of. It's disappearing fast though. Ask yourself why (and if you don't recognise the term than at least have the self-respect to google it before replying). cantthinkofone
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9:49pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Forest Resident says...

The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves.
The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves. Forest Resident
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10:03pm Fri 8 Feb 13

forest hump says...

Forest Resident wrote:
The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves.
You sir, are absolutely correct. All of these other whiners have obviously an axe to grind against our law enforcement establishment. If you stick to the rules, it's not an issue! So why I ask, do all of these anti taser brigade have an issue? I'd be interested to understand their logic?
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves.[/p][/quote]You sir, are absolutely correct. All of these other whiners have obviously an axe to grind against our law enforcement establishment. If you stick to the rules, it's not an issue! So why I ask, do all of these anti taser brigade have an issue? I'd be interested to understand their logic? forest hump
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11:40pm Fri 8 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

forest hump wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves.
You sir, are absolutely correct. All of these other whiners have obviously an axe to grind against our law enforcement establishment. If you stick to the rules, it's not an issue! So why I ask, do all of these anti taser brigade have an issue? I'd be interested to understand their logic?
What exactly De Menezes do wrong then?

Or Gaubert?

Or any of the other many examples than could be cited?
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves.[/p][/quote]You sir, are absolutely correct. All of these other whiners have obviously an axe to grind against our law enforcement establishment. If you stick to the rules, it's not an issue! So why I ask, do all of these anti taser brigade have an issue? I'd be interested to understand their logic?[/p][/quote]What exactly De Menezes do wrong then? Or Gaubert? Or any of the other many examples than could be cited? cantthinkofone
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1:14am Sat 9 Feb 13

forest hump says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves.
You sir, are absolutely correct. All of these other whiners have obviously an axe to grind against our law enforcement establishment. If you stick to the rules, it's not an issue! So why I ask, do all of these anti taser brigade have an issue? I'd be interested to understand their logic?
What exactly De Menezes do wrong then?

Or Gaubert?

Or any of the other many examples than could be cited?
Why focus on the few that are questionable? You are looking at life in the precautionary principle. If you wish to lead your life using the precautionary principle: curl into a ball and go live in a cave.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves.[/p][/quote]You sir, are absolutely correct. All of these other whiners have obviously an axe to grind against our law enforcement establishment. If you stick to the rules, it's not an issue! So why I ask, do all of these anti taser brigade have an issue? I'd be interested to understand their logic?[/p][/quote]What exactly De Menezes do wrong then? Or Gaubert? Or any of the other many examples than could be cited?[/p][/quote]Why focus on the few that are questionable? You are looking at life in the precautionary principle. If you wish to lead your life using the precautionary principle: curl into a ball and go live in a cave. forest hump
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1:15am Sat 9 Feb 13

MiddleOfRoad says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves.
You sir, are absolutely correct. All of these other whiners have obviously an axe to grind against our law enforcement establishment. If you stick to the rules, it's not an issue! So why I ask, do all of these anti taser brigade have an issue? I'd be interested to understand their logic?
What exactly De Menezes do wrong then?

Or Gaubert?

Or any of the other many examples than could be cited?
cantthinkofone is an example of the ideology that has dragged western societies into its present malaise. I can imagine this person standing very close to a Police Officer baiting him or her with insults because cant is one of those obnoxious persons who knows Police are limited from responding to such provocations. What is the bet that cant is on benefits and produces nothing positive to society and is a regular participant in rentacrowd.
We need to go back to the sensible days where deliberately insulting or baiting a Police Officer, or indeed any other official, was rewarded with some sort of penalty.
I note that cant relies upon the incompetent debater's trick of attempting to smear all by quoting the odd cases of genuine mistakes or even corruption. As is the manner of this ilk he/she conveniently neglects to mention the daily and many thousands of excellent outcomes produced by Police.
He/she seems unable to accept that in any organisation mistakes will occur, incompetence will occur and corruption will occur but as in the case of the Police these are by far the exception rather than the rule.
I know that the vast majority of Police are dedicated to their profession of assisting the community by preventing and detecting crime. However, obnoxious individuals, like cant, have made what was once a relatively simple process so much harder to the detriment of society in general.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: The only reason policing by consent is disappearing is because of scum like Dale Cregan who take pride in the cold blooded murder of police officers. The body armour and personal protective equipment is only on an officers uniform because this is what is required due to the increasing likelihood of potential harm that faces them and innocent bystanders when they walk into any given situation. Society itself is to blame for the erosion of policing by consent, not the dedicated and selfless Police Officers themselves.[/p][/quote]You sir, are absolutely correct. All of these other whiners have obviously an axe to grind against our law enforcement establishment. If you stick to the rules, it's not an issue! So why I ask, do all of these anti taser brigade have an issue? I'd be interested to understand their logic?[/p][/quote]What exactly De Menezes do wrong then? Or Gaubert? Or any of the other many examples than could be cited?[/p][/quote]cantthinkofone is an example of the ideology that has dragged western societies into its present malaise. I can imagine this person standing very close to a Police Officer baiting him or her with insults because cant is one of those obnoxious persons who knows Police are limited from responding to such provocations. What is the bet that cant is on benefits and produces nothing positive to society and is a regular participant in rentacrowd. We need to go back to the sensible days where deliberately insulting or baiting a Police Officer, or indeed any other official, was rewarded with some sort of penalty. I note that cant relies upon the incompetent debater's trick of attempting to smear all by quoting the odd cases of genuine mistakes or even corruption. As is the manner of this ilk he/she conveniently neglects to mention the daily and many thousands of excellent outcomes produced by Police. He/she seems unable to accept that in any organisation mistakes will occur, incompetence will occur and corruption will occur but as in the case of the Police these are by far the exception rather than the rule. I know that the vast majority of Police are dedicated to their profession of assisting the community by preventing and detecting crime. However, obnoxious individuals, like cant, have made what was once a relatively simple process so much harder to the detriment of society in general. MiddleOfRoad
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12:23pm Sat 9 Feb 13

cantthinkofone says...

Given that I'm gainfully employed in a profession that serves the public good, have degree level and professional qualifications, have never drawn any benefits, and have never caused the police any trouble at all, that rather blows the rest of your fantasy post out of the water somewhat!

Subservient attitudes such as yours are what allow abuses of power to take place. Your dismissal of anyone who disagrees with your blinkered view of the police as an obnoxious troublemaker only demonstrates your fear of engaging with concepts that threaten your cosy view of the world as a black and white game of cops and robbers.

Of course I'm highlighting events that aren't the norm. That they're not the 'usual' shouldn't need stating to anyone with half a braincell. The difference between you and me is that you think the good work that some police do should give the organisation a free pass, an immunity from criticism. Myself, I believe that if you grant a person greater powers than the standard citizen, they absolutely SHOULD be held to a higher standard.

But feel free to imagine me as a loudmouthed yob in a hoodie if it makes you feel better. After all, considering the alternatives might cause you to sleep less securely in your bubble of blissful and wilfull ignorance.

*rolleyes*
Given that I'm gainfully employed in a profession that serves the public good, have degree level and professional qualifications, have never drawn any benefits, and have never caused the police any trouble at all, that rather blows the rest of your fantasy post out of the water somewhat! Subservient attitudes such as yours are what allow abuses of power to take place. Your dismissal of anyone who disagrees with your blinkered view of the police as an obnoxious troublemaker only demonstrates your fear of engaging with concepts that threaten your cosy view of the world as a black and white game of cops and robbers. Of course I'm highlighting events that aren't the norm. That they're not the 'usual' shouldn't need stating to anyone with half a braincell. The difference between you and me is that you think the good work that some police do should give the organisation a free pass, an immunity from criticism. Myself, I believe that if you grant a person greater powers than the standard citizen, they absolutely SHOULD be held to a higher standard. But feel free to imagine me as a loudmouthed yob in a hoodie if it makes you feel better. After all, considering the alternatives might cause you to sleep less securely in your bubble of blissful and wilfull ignorance. *rolleyes* cantthinkofone
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10:34pm Sat 9 Feb 13

forest hump says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
Given that I'm gainfully employed in a profession that serves the public good, have degree level and professional qualifications, have never drawn any benefits, and have never caused the police any trouble at all, that rather blows the rest of your fantasy post out of the water somewhat!

Subservient attitudes such as yours are what allow abuses of power to take place. Your dismissal of anyone who disagrees with your blinkered view of the police as an obnoxious troublemaker only demonstrates your fear of engaging with concepts that threaten your cosy view of the world as a black and white game of cops and robbers.

Of course I'm highlighting events that aren't the norm. That they're not the 'usual' shouldn't need stating to anyone with half a braincell. The difference between you and me is that you think the good work that some police do should give the organisation a free pass, an immunity from criticism. Myself, I believe that if you grant a person greater powers than the standard citizen, they absolutely SHOULD be held to a higher standard.

But feel free to imagine me as a loudmouthed yob in a hoodie if it makes you feel better. After all, considering the alternatives might cause you to sleep less securely in your bubble of blissful and wilfull ignorance.

*rolleyes*
Lots of smart words! Be careful of living by the precautionary principle.
Blink eyes and smile!
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: Given that I'm gainfully employed in a profession that serves the public good, have degree level and professional qualifications, have never drawn any benefits, and have never caused the police any trouble at all, that rather blows the rest of your fantasy post out of the water somewhat! Subservient attitudes such as yours are what allow abuses of power to take place. Your dismissal of anyone who disagrees with your blinkered view of the police as an obnoxious troublemaker only demonstrates your fear of engaging with concepts that threaten your cosy view of the world as a black and white game of cops and robbers. Of course I'm highlighting events that aren't the norm. That they're not the 'usual' shouldn't need stating to anyone with half a braincell. The difference between you and me is that you think the good work that some police do should give the organisation a free pass, an immunity from criticism. Myself, I believe that if you grant a person greater powers than the standard citizen, they absolutely SHOULD be held to a higher standard. But feel free to imagine me as a loudmouthed yob in a hoodie if it makes you feel better. After all, considering the alternatives might cause you to sleep less securely in your bubble of blissful and wilfull ignorance. *rolleyes*[/p][/quote]Lots of smart words! Be careful of living by the precautionary principle. Blink eyes and smile! forest hump
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