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Giant wind farm plan challenged
12:39pm Sunday 10th February 2013 in News
Giant wind farm plan challenged
THE opposition group against the giant wind farm planned off the Isle of Wight has challenged the validity of a 3D model being used to show people what it might look like.
Challenge Navitus says the model, which is being shown at Navitus Bay Development Limited’s public exhibitions around the area, is misleading.
Dr Andrew Langley, a scientist in mathematical modelling who co-founded Challenge Navitus, said: “We have conducted a technical review of NBDL’s computer graphics and identified problems which we believe will mislead the public on the visual impact of NBDL’s proposal.
“One key point is that the resolution of NBDL’s 3D display is less than one sixth of what the human eye can resolve, so the turbines are much less visible than they should be. It’s a bit like seeing something out of focus.
“I spoke to Mike Unsworth, the project director, last Saturday and voiced some of my concerns.
“Since then, I have written to him detailing the problems and requested that NBDL take immediate action.
“We are obviously concerned at the large number of people who have already seen NBDL’s 3D model at the exhibitions and on their website.”
Challenge Navitus has put a new video on its own website and Dr Langley encouraged people to compare Challenge Navitus’ images and videos with NBDL’s.
Wind farm simulations are never perfect, and it is important to relate what you see to the real-life view, but we try hard to be accurate and use the latest scientific research when computing our pictures,” he said.
Mike Unsworth, NBDL project director, said he recognised there were limitations to the 3D model.
He added: “This is why we encourage all members of the public who view the 3D model to also look at our detailed viewpoint photomontages when attending the consultation, which have been designed using industry guidance.”
But he said the model used accurate terrain mapping, aerial images and engineering drawings and was shown on a 60in HD TV.
Mr Unsworth said positive comments from those both for and against the park were forthcoming.
“In light of this positive feedback and the considerable efforts made to ensure the 3D model is as realistic as technically possible, we will continue to use it at our public consultation events along the coast.
“We have decided to temporarily remove the 3D fly-through videos on our website to give further consideration as to how they can best-presented to maximise their benefit.”
Comments(9)
Pikey Pete
says...
1:03pm Sun 10 Feb 13
You need wind. Obviously and at the right speed.
They kill millions of birds and look awful.
I think back handers are behind all wind farms. There is no logic in having them.
Solar PV panels outperform them any day!!
It takes more energy to produce and install 1 wind turbine than it produces in 10 years. It requires loads of maintenance. And factor in that cost it never produces one ounce of usable FREE power.
Coal is more efficient.
J.P.M
says...
1:06pm Sun 10 Feb 13
**** Pete wrote:Thanks doctor - don't call us..................
Wind farms do not work. Period.!!
You need wind. Obviously and at the right speed.
They kill millions of birds and look awful.
I think back handers are behind all wind farms. There is no logic in having them.
Solar PV panels outperform them any day!!
It takes more energy to produce and install 1 wind turbine than it produces in 10 years. It requires loads of maintenance. And factor in that cost it never produces one ounce of usable FREE power.
Coal is more efficient.
....
elvisimo
says...
1:37pm Sun 10 Feb 13
**** Pete wrote:You should have told them this earlier. My god they could have saved millions wasted on something that doesn't work. All those turbines around the world did not have to be built if only they had spoken to Pete. 'period' - cringe.
Wind farms do not work. Period.!!
You need wind. Obviously and at the right speed.
They kill millions of birds and look awful.
I think back handers are behind all wind farms. There is no logic in having them.
Solar PV panels outperform them any day!!
It takes more energy to produce and install 1 wind turbine than it produces in 10 years. It requires loads of maintenance. And factor in that cost it never produces one ounce of usable FREE power.
Coal is more efficient.
befriendly
says...
7:22pm Sun 10 Feb 13
derek james
says...
8:16pm Sun 10 Feb 13
derek james
says...
8:20pm Sun 10 Feb 13
elvisimo wrote:using your logic there must have been the famous weapons of mass destruction in iraq, don't think they've found them yet
**** Pete wrote:You should have told them this earlier. My god they could have saved millions wasted on something that doesn't work. All those turbines around the world did not have to be built if only they had spoken to Pete. 'period' - cringe.
Wind farms do not work. Period.!!
You need wind. Obviously and at the right speed.
They kill millions of birds and look awful.
I think back handers are behind all wind farms. There is no logic in having them.
Solar PV panels outperform them any day!!
It takes more energy to produce and install 1 wind turbine than it produces in 10 years. It requires loads of maintenance. And factor in that cost it never produces one ounce of usable FREE power.
Coal is more efficient.
The Wickham Man
says...
7:44am Mon 11 Feb 13
**** Pete wrote:Pete, errrr where do you get your electricity from when it gets dark? And errrr if you've got to have a full capacity backup there for the peak demand why not just keep it on all the time? And errr what voltage does a solar panel work at? And errrr, how much of your power do you lose trying to make it go long distances to the grid down a copper power cable because 12V DC won't get past the end of your drive? And errrr how much does it cost to connect all these tiny power sources up to the grid?
Wind farms do not work. Period.!!
You need wind. Obviously and at the right speed.
They kill millions of birds and look awful.
I think back handers are behind all wind farms. There is no logic in having them.
Solar PV panels outperform them any day!!
It takes more energy to produce and install 1 wind turbine than it produces in 10 years. It requires loads of maintenance. And factor in that cost it never produces one ounce of usable FREE power.
Coal is more efficient.
save energy
says...
11:48pm Fri 22 Feb 13
“Coal is more efficient.”
“Solar PV panels outperform them any day!!”
NO & NO
A few facts
Efficiency: (% of available power converted into useful work).
Coal=36%. Gas=50%. Nuclear=34%. Solar PV = 15%. Wind = 38%
Capacity factor: (actual annual output as a % of max possible output).
Coal=84%.
Gas CCGT=60%. (Should be 85% ish BUT load following reduces it)
Nuclear=90%.
Solar PV = 8%.
British Wind= 27%. (land =26%; offshore=29%)
source = Digest of United Kingdom Energy Statistics DUKES = 268 pg
http://www.decc.gov.
uk/assets/decc/11/st
ats/publications/duk
es/2312-dukes-2011--
full-document-exclud
ing-cover-pages.pdf
For some live info look here
The grid- http://www.gridwatch
.templar.co.uk/
European Wind outputs - http://www.rwe.com/w
eb/cms/en/206488/rwe
-innogy/sites/produc
tion-data-live/rwe-r
enewable-energy-live
/
OFGEM payments - http://www.variablep
itch.co.uk/about/
The real gripe with wind is not that they are "inefficient", but they are reliably spasmodic in output, so are ‘ineffective’.
What do you expect to happen when the wind drops? Are you happy to have your electric cut off? Most people are not, so the grid has to have some power source able to take over at the drop of a hat. So you have to have 'spinning reserve'. A parallel power system that has to be paid for, it cant be turned off, only throttled back, so it produces more CO2/kw than running flat out…madness.
We are often told that wind is “clean, sustainable energy”.
Clean ???
look here - Green energy’s dirty secret - http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=E_ch_Q6ZQ
vM&feature=related
Sustainable ???
– (Oxford Dictionary definition)-
-Capable of being sustained
-To endure without failing or giving way.
-To keep going without intermission.
-Capable of being maintained at a steady level
Wind works intermittently & unpredictably, it averages just 27% of capacity.
As I write this, on a cold frosty day, the UKs entire 4,413 wind turbine fleet is producing-
just … 5% of demand !!! pathetic.
So Wind power – not green or clean & the subsidy payments are obscene.
J.P.M says...
12:58pm Sun 10 Feb 13
This is painful, listening to this pitiful attempt to protest - just for the sake of it.
There are too many urban rebels with time on their hands - anxious to leave their mark of apathy in history.
Lets jus get on, and build what is required, ignoring these negative grannies of rebellion.