Southampton City Council votes through 'worst cuts ever'

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Betrayed.

That was the reaction from the people at the heart of the worst ever cuts in Southampton's history - the public.

After a spell of confusion about just what had gone on inside the council chamber as Labour unanimously voted through more than £16m worth of cuts, there was shouting and swearing from residents in the public gallery at the city's council chamber.

Dozens of people, many who had first taken part in a protest outside the civic centre, had sat through two and a half hours of heated political banter and heckling to try and sway opinion at the last hurdle.

But in the end, the predictable happened, and despite their impassioned pleas the most savage budget cuts in history were passed in a vote lasting no more than 30 seconds.

The decision was so quick it caused one spectator to stop proceedings and ask the mayor to clarify what had happened so she could go back to her youth organisation which is facing the axe and relay the news.

It was met with shouts of "this fight isn't over" as defiant workers left the chamber at the end of e meeting.

Reacting to the news, Cllr Royston Smith, leader of the Tory party, said: "It did not need to be as extreme as this because they have got more money from the government than they were expecting.

“They could have used that to protect more jobs and easily frozen council tax but they have chosen not to.

“They have not voted l of economic sense but out of political dogma. It's going to mean people pay more and get less."

But council leader and Labour group leader Richard Williams said: "It's really unpleasant but we have to act within the law and clearly we had to make some choices that quite frankly expected to have to do or wanted to do.

“It's a difficult situation that we have found ourselves in."

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5:58pm Wed 13 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Well if the Voters in Eastleigh are following this performance then the Labour Candidate in the By-Election will be in danger losing his deposit.
Well if the Voters in Eastleigh are following this performance then the Labour Candidate in the By-Election will be in danger losing his deposit. OSPREYSAINT

5:59pm Wed 13 Feb 13

illhavemysay says...

Vote UKIP the LibLabCOns are for the EU not for the British.
The Libs do all they can to keep us in line with the EU vote them out of the council next chance you get

Vote UKIP
Vote UKIP the LibLabCOns are for the EU not for the British. The Libs do all they can to keep us in line with the EU vote them out of the council next chance you get Vote UKIP illhavemysay

6:49pm Wed 13 Feb 13

skin2000 says...

Do we need a Mayor?
Do we need a Mayor? skin2000

7:15pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mickey01 says...

i wondor if the labour loving workers will strike like they did when the tories were proposing cuts , i doubt it
i wondor if the labour loving workers will strike like they did when the tories were proposing cuts , i doubt it mickey01

8:19pm Wed 13 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts!

Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.
Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts! Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke. IronLady2010

8:31pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Maine Lobster says...

mickey01 wrote:
i wondor if the labour loving workers will strike like they did when the tories were proposing cuts , i doubt it
It would have been worse under the Tories. They squandered millions on Guildhall Square, Sea City etc. The facts are the Councils all over the country have had their grant slashed by central government to bail out the banks. All Councils are left to make the best of a horrible situation
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: i wondor if the labour loving workers will strike like they did when the tories were proposing cuts , i doubt it[/p][/quote]It would have been worse under the Tories. They squandered millions on Guildhall Square, Sea City etc. The facts are the Councils all over the country have had their grant slashed by central government to bail out the banks. All Councils are left to make the best of a horrible situation Maine Lobster

8:33pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Maine Lobster says...

mickey01 wrote:
i wondor if the labour loving workers will strike like they did when the tories were proposing cuts , i doubt it
It would have been worse under the Tories. They squandered millions on Guildhall Square, Sea City etc. The facts are the Councils all over the country have had their grant slashed by central government to bail out the banks. All Councils are left to make the best of a horrible situation
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: i wondor if the labour loving workers will strike like they did when the tories were proposing cuts , i doubt it[/p][/quote]It would have been worse under the Tories. They squandered millions on Guildhall Square, Sea City etc. The facts are the Councils all over the country have had their grant slashed by central government to bail out the banks. All Councils are left to make the best of a horrible situation Maine Lobster

8:42pm Wed 13 Feb 13

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts!

Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.
did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts! Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.[/p][/quote]did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years southy

8:43pm Wed 13 Feb 13

huckit P says...

Did any of the full time members of the council take a pay cut? I doubt it very much.
Did any of the full time members of the council take a pay cut? I doubt it very much. huckit P

8:47pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mursmurja says...

What a lot of rot. Most of he services being cut would and should be delivered by voluntary sector anyways. The reality here is that when tories propose changes in terms and conditions we had to put up with weeks of no bin collection - even though jobs were safeguarded. Labour, who think throwing money at social issues regardless of whether services are effective or not only know how to salami slice. They could have safeguarded more and sold off a few assets to cover it. Councils have been overbloated for years - if central govt increased tax at the rate local councils do there would have been a revolution years ago.
What a lot of rot. Most of he services being cut would and should be delivered by voluntary sector anyways. The reality here is that when tories propose changes in terms and conditions we had to put up with weeks of no bin collection - even though jobs were safeguarded. Labour, who think throwing money at social issues regardless of whether services are effective or not only know how to salami slice. They could have safeguarded more and sold off a few assets to cover it. Councils have been overbloated for years - if central govt increased tax at the rate local councils do there would have been a revolution years ago. mursmurja

8:47pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Mr Price says...

The Poor are getting Poorer The Rich are getting Richer..
Lets bring back Work Houses and Slaves then invite every one to come and live here from abroad and let them have The facilities of the NHS for free.....The Great has already gone out of Great Britain.
The Poor are getting Poorer The Rich are getting Richer.. Lets bring back Work Houses and Slaves then invite every one to come and live here from abroad and let them have The facilities of the NHS for free.....The Great has already gone out of Great Britain. Mr Price

8:51pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Red1918 says...

How gutless can they possibly be, doing the government;s dirty work for them. The early pioneers of the Labour Party must squirm in their graves when they see the cowardice of New Labour and their absolute determination not to represent the interests of working class people. What is the worst that could have happened had they refused to set a budget, and been disqualified and government commissioners sent in. The cuts would be the same, and the councillors would lose their allowances. Uh, oh, now I see........
How gutless can they possibly be, doing the government;s dirty work for them. The early pioneers of the Labour Party must squirm in their graves when they see the cowardice of New Labour and their absolute determination not to represent the interests of working class people. What is the worst that could have happened had they refused to set a budget, and been disqualified and government commissioners sent in. The cuts would be the same, and the councillors would lose their allowances. Uh, oh, now I see........ Red1918

9:03pm Wed 13 Feb 13

chunky_lover says...

GOOD, council workers are lazy and by getting rid of half of them they will have to work at the same speed as most private sector employees.

For example. council workers at the itchen bridge have been replaced by plastic buckets.
GOOD, council workers are lazy and by getting rid of half of them they will have to work at the same speed as most private sector employees. For example. council workers at the itchen bridge have been replaced by plastic buckets. chunky_lover

9:12pm Wed 13 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts!

Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.
did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years
You should go, it makes Southampton look quite modern and clean!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts! Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.[/p][/quote]did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years[/p][/quote]You should go, it makes Southampton look quite modern and clean! IronLady2010

10:04pm Wed 13 Feb 13

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
i wondor if the labour loving workers will strike like they did when the tories were proposing cuts , i doubt it
It would have been worse under the Tories. They squandered millions on Guildhall Square, Sea City etc. The facts are the Councils all over the country have had their grant slashed by central government to bail out the banks. All Councils are left to make the best of a horrible situation
Did you read what the Tories were proposing for this year before they lost power?
did not Williams say this would happen before the local election only to say this paper was lying?
no wonder Morell & Thomas went & left the Labour Party as they new his lies( Williams) would come to the for.
please tell me in this budget where does it mention any of the things you have ?
When the Tories took over in their very first year they faced a £25million cut to the budget by a Labour Government.
then they faced another cut by this Government they went into talks with the Unions to save the money over the next 4 years & as we know those Unions refused to talk so they had no choice but to impose one of the proposals which was a cut in pay which Tory & Liberal councillors took as well so they never asked the workers to do anything they weren't willing to do.
Williams restored £3million of those pay cuts & still has to find another £4-5million to restore all the pay where's he getting it from?
We know the budget is far better than it was going to be with an extra £6.1million from the Government.
but what has happened to the savings on refuse services now they have an £8million grant for them?
where's all the money gone from not having to find the money to pay wages or running costs?
this doesn't seem to be mentioned by any Labour councillor or Union Convener?
is that money going to be used to restore the rest of the pay we can't afford to restore?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: i wondor if the labour loving workers will strike like they did when the tories were proposing cuts , i doubt it[/p][/quote]It would have been worse under the Tories. They squandered millions on Guildhall Square, Sea City etc. The facts are the Councils all over the country have had their grant slashed by central government to bail out the banks. All Councils are left to make the best of a horrible situation[/p][/quote]Did you read what the Tories were proposing for this year before they lost power? did not Williams say this would happen before the local election only to say this paper was lying? no wonder Morell & Thomas went & left the Labour Party as they new his lies( Williams) would come to the for. please tell me in this budget where does it mention any of the things you have ? When the Tories took over in their very first year they faced a £25million cut to the budget by a Labour Government. then they faced another cut by this Government they went into talks with the Unions to save the money over the next 4 years & as we know those Unions refused to talk so they had no choice but to impose one of the proposals which was a cut in pay which Tory & Liberal councillors took as well so they never asked the workers to do anything they weren't willing to do. Williams restored £3million of those pay cuts & still has to find another £4-5million to restore all the pay where's he getting it from? We know the budget is far better than it was going to be with an extra £6.1million from the Government. but what has happened to the savings on refuse services now they have an £8million grant for them? where's all the money gone from not having to find the money to pay wages or running costs? this doesn't seem to be mentioned by any Labour councillor or Union Convener? is that money going to be used to restore the rest of the pay we can't afford to restore? loosehead

10:09pm Wed 13 Feb 13

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts!

Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.
did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years
Southy I'll ask you. The grant money this council is getting the whole £8million to keep weekly bin collections will pay for those wages & running costs so where are those savings going to & doesn't that mean the budget cut is even lower than they are now quoting?
Oh! watch it when you send Ironlady a Valentines card/message as her husband now know's your name.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts! Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.[/p][/quote]did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years[/p][/quote]Southy I'll ask you. The grant money this council is getting the whole £8million to keep weekly bin collections will pay for those wages & running costs so where are those savings going to & doesn't that mean the budget cut is even lower than they are now quoting? Oh! watch it when you send Ironlady a Valentines card/message as her husband now know's your name. loosehead

10:09pm Wed 13 Feb 13

loosehead says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts!

Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.
did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years
Southy I'll ask you. The grant money this council is getting the whole £8million to keep weekly bin collections will pay for those wages & running costs so where are those savings going to & doesn't that mean the budget cut is even lower than they are now quoting?
Oh! watch it when you send Ironlady a Valentines card/message as her husband now know's your name.
Joking!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts! Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.[/p][/quote]did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years[/p][/quote]Southy I'll ask you. The grant money this council is getting the whole £8million to keep weekly bin collections will pay for those wages & running costs so where are those savings going to & doesn't that mean the budget cut is even lower than they are now quoting? Oh! watch it when you send Ironlady a Valentines card/message as her husband now know's your name.[/p][/quote]Joking! loosehead

10:12pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Outside of the Box says...

Oh well, here we go, increases in council tax and a drop in service's, didn't expect much else, all local authorities got shafted by the Fatboy Eric Pickles, the Tories would have struggled not to make cuts and not increase council tax, The LibDems are clueless fencers who's budget proposal didn't make much sense and Southy's mob would just borrow, borrow, borrow.

No change at the council, their all the same, I give up.
Oh well, here we go, increases in council tax and a drop in service's, didn't expect much else, all local authorities got shafted by the Fatboy Eric Pickles, the Tories would have struggled not to make cuts and not increase council tax, The LibDems are clueless fencers who's budget proposal didn't make much sense and Southy's mob would just borrow, borrow, borrow. No change at the council, their all the same, I give up. Outside of the Box

10:23pm Wed 13 Feb 13

eurogordi says...

We should re-unite Southampton and Portsmouth with Hampshire, scrap all the local, district and county councils and just have one council called "Hampshire Council".

This has happened in Wiltshire and has saved billions with just one tier of councillors, chief executives, HR staff, IT staff etc.etc.
We should re-unite Southampton and Portsmouth with Hampshire, scrap all the local, district and county councils and just have one council called "Hampshire Council". This has happened in Wiltshire and has saved billions with just one tier of councillors, chief executives, HR staff, IT staff etc.etc. eurogordi

10:34pm Wed 13 Feb 13

IronLady2010 says...

eurogordi wrote:
We should re-unite Southampton and Portsmouth with Hampshire, scrap all the local, district and county councils and just have one council called "Hampshire Council".

This has happened in Wiltshire and has saved billions with just one tier of councillors, chief executives, HR staff, IT staff etc.etc.
Run that past the Sports column! lol
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: We should re-unite Southampton and Portsmouth with Hampshire, scrap all the local, district and county councils and just have one council called "Hampshire Council". This has happened in Wiltshire and has saved billions with just one tier of councillors, chief executives, HR staff, IT staff etc.etc.[/p][/quote]Run that past the Sports column! lol IronLady2010

10:43pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Quite Frankly says...

More juvenile nonsense from The Echo. Along with many other services in public life, council grants have been slashed by the Tories, aided and abetted by their LibDem fan-boys. That's where the contempt for the public resides. Royston Smith's remarks are, as usual, inane. Did he listen to the opposition as he presided over cuts? No. The blame for all of this lies squarely with central government. Still, if you vote them in, that is what they will do to you.
More juvenile nonsense from The Echo. Along with many other services in public life, council grants have been slashed by the Tories, aided and abetted by their LibDem fan-boys. That's where the contempt for the public resides. Royston Smith's remarks are, as usual, inane. Did he listen to the opposition as he presided over cuts? No. The blame for all of this lies squarely with central government. Still, if you vote them in, that is what they will do to you. Quite Frankly

10:56pm Wed 13 Feb 13

My boy says...

Far too much dead wood in the council (like most councils), how about, instead of cutting the front line staff who actually serve a purpose, get rid of the dead wood services like community safety and emergency planning? Consider also stopping the leaders bonuses for their public service! These services that serve no real purpose other than draining the money pot for their flights of fancy and put useful services and staff out of work. ICE bus is a classic case - Cost £80,000 to buy and £40,000+/year to run? Rather than dealing with the legless they should be dealing with those who will be made homeless due to these cuts...Homeless or legless is it really that difficult?
Far too much dead wood in the council (like most councils), how about, instead of cutting the front line staff who actually serve a purpose, get rid of the dead wood services like community safety and emergency planning? Consider also stopping the leaders bonuses for their public service! These services that serve no real purpose other than draining the money pot for their flights of fancy and put useful services and staff out of work. ICE bus is a classic case - Cost £80,000 to buy and £40,000+/year to run? Rather than dealing with the legless they should be dealing with those who will be made homeless due to these cuts...Homeless or legless is it really that difficult? My boy

4:01am Thu 14 Feb 13

LeeB1900 says...

send the people back to the countries they originated from JUST to claim our housing benefits and council tax benefits and that would clear up about 90% of the debt! I am in no way being racial but FFS why encourage people from all over Europe to come over here when their intention is nothing over than to absorb OUR money. They pay nothing into the pot but are entitled to everything the British born are. Hardly fair seeing as when we travel we actually have to pay our way which is how it **** well should be. Our jobs, our benefits, our homes, our NHS services, our emergency services and just about everything else being drowned by people wanting a free ride. The Country has more foreigners than its own now! Fact!
send the people back to the countries they originated from JUST to claim our housing benefits and council tax benefits and that would clear up about 90% of the debt! I am in no way being racial but FFS why encourage people from all over Europe to come over here when their intention is nothing over than to absorb OUR money. They pay nothing into the pot but are entitled to everything the British born are. Hardly fair seeing as when we travel we actually have to pay our way which is how it **** well should be. Our jobs, our benefits, our homes, our NHS services, our emergency services and just about everything else being drowned by people wanting a free ride. The Country has more foreigners than its own now! Fact! LeeB1900

5:43am Thu 14 Feb 13

English Democrat says...

The Country has more foreigners than it's own ? Say's Lee B1900 . Just to get things into perspective in the 2011 Population Census 60.4% answered Nationality as English with a further 9% answering English and British. It hasn't happened yet Lee but we can see where you are coming from. Being a Kent County Chairman with a daughter and son in law who are both graduates and Youth workers I fear for their jobs and the future of our young people when Lib Con's abandon them for University fee hikes, and what sounds like Youth Centre closures. I am Mike Walters your English Democrat Candidate for Eastleigh.
The Country has more foreigners than it's own ? Say's Lee B1900 . Just to get things into perspective in the 2011 Population Census 60.4% answered Nationality as English with a further 9% answering English and British. It hasn't happened yet Lee but we can see where you are coming from. Being a Kent County Chairman with a daughter and son in law who are both graduates and Youth workers I fear for their jobs and the future of our young people when Lib Con's abandon them for University fee hikes, and what sounds like Youth Centre closures. I am Mike Walters your English Democrat Candidate for Eastleigh. English Democrat

7:02am Thu 14 Feb 13

SotonNorth says...

It's not like we couldn't see this coming. People complained about the cuts made when the council was Conservative run, and it was made clear that the cuts made back then were to mitigate more serious cuts later. But no, Labour took control of the council on the promise of turning back on the Conservative cuts, and guess what, the finances weren't sustainable.
It's not like we couldn't see this coming. People complained about the cuts made when the council was Conservative run, and it was made clear that the cuts made back then were to mitigate more serious cuts later. But no, Labour took control of the council on the promise of turning back on the Conservative cuts, and guess what, the finances weren't sustainable. SotonNorth

7:35am Thu 14 Feb 13

loosehead says...

Outside of the Box wrote:
Oh well, here we go, increases in council tax and a drop in service's, didn't expect much else, all local authorities got shafted by the Fatboy Eric Pickles, the Tories would have struggled not to make cuts and not increase council tax, The LibDems are clueless fencers who's budget proposal didn't make much sense and Southy's mob would just borrow, borrow, borrow.

No change at the council, their all the same, I give up.
So blame the guy who gave us £8million for refuse collections. who gave us an extra £6million but don't blame a lying Labour council who's leader wants to stand for government at the next election?
Make it bad blame the Government or last council & the people are so stupid that even though they know that I ( Cllr Williams) am a total liar they'll vote for me & I'll be in government.
It's about time that people open their eyes & see what this council are up to.
political strikes to get elected political budgets to get Williams elected in Denhams seat just remember how close Denham was to losing it last time
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote: Oh well, here we go, increases in council tax and a drop in service's, didn't expect much else, all local authorities got shafted by the Fatboy Eric Pickles, the Tories would have struggled not to make cuts and not increase council tax, The LibDems are clueless fencers who's budget proposal didn't make much sense and Southy's mob would just borrow, borrow, borrow. No change at the council, their all the same, I give up.[/p][/quote]So blame the guy who gave us £8million for refuse collections. who gave us an extra £6million but don't blame a lying Labour council who's leader wants to stand for government at the next election? Make it bad blame the Government or last council & the people are so stupid that even though they know that I ( Cllr Williams) am a total liar they'll vote for me & I'll be in government. It's about time that people open their eyes & see what this council are up to. political strikes to get elected political budgets to get Williams elected in Denhams seat just remember how close Denham was to losing it last time loosehead

9:05am Thu 14 Feb 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy.. OSPREYSAINT

10:56am Thu 14 Feb 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said.

But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon? Paramjit Bahia

10:57am Thu 14 Feb 13

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
I wasn't that far off the mark about what would happen with a Labour council was I?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]I wasn't that far off the mark about what would happen with a Labour council was I? loosehead

11:00am Thu 14 Feb 13

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said.

But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget?
We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies?
We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government.
THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?[/p][/quote]But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest loosehead

11:06am Thu 14 Feb 13

southy says...

LeeB1900 wrote:
send the people back to the countries they originated from JUST to claim our housing benefits and council tax benefits and that would clear up about 90% of the debt! I am in no way being racial but FFS why encourage people from all over Europe to come over here when their intention is nothing over than to absorb OUR money. They pay nothing into the pot but are entitled to everything the British born are. Hardly fair seeing as when we travel we actually have to pay our way which is how it **** well should be. Our jobs, our benefits, our homes, our NHS services, our emergency services and just about everything else being drowned by people wanting a free ride. The Country has more foreigners than its own now! Fact!
And they turn round and send the British back to the UK, that would leave us a much greater population than it is now, there is a greater number of British aboard than there is foreigners, we have a population of around 60 million and only about 4 to 6 million are foreigners, but there is 10's of millions of british working and living abroad.
[quote][p][bold]LeeB1900[/bold] wrote: send the people back to the countries they originated from JUST to claim our housing benefits and council tax benefits and that would clear up about 90% of the debt! I am in no way being racial but FFS why encourage people from all over Europe to come over here when their intention is nothing over than to absorb OUR money. They pay nothing into the pot but are entitled to everything the British born are. Hardly fair seeing as when we travel we actually have to pay our way which is how it **** well should be. Our jobs, our benefits, our homes, our NHS services, our emergency services and just about everything else being drowned by people wanting a free ride. The Country has more foreigners than its own now! Fact![/p][/quote]And they turn round and send the British back to the UK, that would leave us a much greater population than it is now, there is a greater number of British aboard than there is foreigners, we have a population of around 60 million and only about 4 to 6 million are foreigners, but there is 10's of millions of british working and living abroad. southy

11:21am Thu 14 Feb 13

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
LeeB1900 wrote:
send the people back to the countries they originated from JUST to claim our housing benefits and council tax benefits and that would clear up about 90% of the debt! I am in no way being racial but FFS why encourage people from all over Europe to come over here when their intention is nothing over than to absorb OUR money. They pay nothing into the pot but are entitled to everything the British born are. Hardly fair seeing as when we travel we actually have to pay our way which is how it **** well should be. Our jobs, our benefits, our homes, our NHS services, our emergency services and just about everything else being drowned by people wanting a free ride. The Country has more foreigners than its own now! Fact!
And they turn round and send the British back to the UK, that would leave us a much greater population than it is now, there is a greater number of British aboard than there is foreigners, we have a population of around 60 million and only about 4 to 6 million are foreigners, but there is 10's of millions of british working and living abroad.
Are you having a laugh?
the official figures might say that but the truth with illegals & asylum seekers plus do EU member states count towards the immigration figures as they're not actually emigrating if they're already part of the EU are they?
Southy take a look at the places where we emigrate to. Thailand if you don't own a company & employ Thais you are only a Tourist & can't work.
Spain exactly how many jobs & homes do the British take off of the spanish?
It's not like you will get a council home in spain is it?
France again exactly what jobs & what homes are we taking from the French?
besides countries that are calling for skilled people from any country there's no where the amount you state living abroad as it is most of those people who live abroad are retired spending their pensions & savings buying homes so creating building work for the locals & not taking a penny from the host country but being net contributors so please get your facts right
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeeB1900[/bold] wrote: send the people back to the countries they originated from JUST to claim our housing benefits and council tax benefits and that would clear up about 90% of the debt! I am in no way being racial but FFS why encourage people from all over Europe to come over here when their intention is nothing over than to absorb OUR money. They pay nothing into the pot but are entitled to everything the British born are. Hardly fair seeing as when we travel we actually have to pay our way which is how it **** well should be. Our jobs, our benefits, our homes, our NHS services, our emergency services and just about everything else being drowned by people wanting a free ride. The Country has more foreigners than its own now! Fact![/p][/quote]And they turn round and send the British back to the UK, that would leave us a much greater population than it is now, there is a greater number of British aboard than there is foreigners, we have a population of around 60 million and only about 4 to 6 million are foreigners, but there is 10's of millions of british working and living abroad.[/p][/quote]Are you having a laugh? the official figures might say that but the truth with illegals & asylum seekers plus do EU member states count towards the immigration figures as they're not actually emigrating if they're already part of the EU are they? Southy take a look at the places where we emigrate to. Thailand if you don't own a company & employ Thais you are only a Tourist & can't work. Spain exactly how many jobs & homes do the British take off of the spanish? It's not like you will get a council home in spain is it? France again exactly what jobs & what homes are we taking from the French? besides countries that are calling for skilled people from any country there's no where the amount you state living abroad as it is most of those people who live abroad are retired spending their pensions & savings buying homes so creating building work for the locals & not taking a penny from the host country but being net contributors so please get your facts right loosehead

11:22am Thu 14 Feb 13

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said.

But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget?
We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies?
We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government.
THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest
Nore do the Torys Looose, how can you run finances when you make people unemployed and only having to pay out in benefits because you made them unemployed, and with making people unemploy the local economy slumps, then you get the knock on effect of companys having to cut back.

The only answer is to keep them employed, but to slow down production to match and just sit and wait it out.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?[/p][/quote]But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest[/p][/quote]Nore do the Torys Looose, how can you run finances when you make people unemployed and only having to pay out in benefits because you made them unemployed, and with making people unemploy the local economy slumps, then you get the knock on effect of companys having to cut back. The only answer is to keep them employed, but to slow down production to match and just sit and wait it out. southy

11:36am Thu 14 Feb 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Red1918 wrote:
How gutless can they possibly be, doing the government;s dirty work for them. The early pioneers of the Labour Party must squirm in their graves when they see the cowardice of New Labour and their absolute determination not to represent the interests of working class people. What is the worst that could have happened had they refused to set a budget, and been disqualified and government commissioners sent in. The cuts would be the same, and the councillors would lose their allowances. Uh, oh, now I see........
Well said Red 1918.

You are right these unfit for the purpose NuLabourites in the Council are not willing to risk their easy income from Council.

I have the feeling that there is another reason for these parasites towing anti local government line of their national leaders in London, which is to become Members of Parliament. If they don't behave like well trained puppets, and start speaking for the people they are supposed to represent in Council the Milliband's side kicks who run the Party like Mafia will block them from becoming Parliamentary candidates.

Proof my argument? Look no further than recent selection for candidate in Eastleigh.

Why man with massive experience record for hard work, exceptionally good at helping the people and speaking on their behalf certain former Deputy Leader of Hampshire and Southampton Council's Labour Groups who knows Eastleigh well and few years ago was candidate in Eastleigh certain Alan Lloyd was kept out of short list of candidates for selection?

But few still wet behind their ears with lots of ego but very little ability and complete lack of guts Southampton councillors were put on that panel.

And look who they selected, if that is the right word? A comedy writer who is turning out to be a clown, plonker was only interested in running to the pub after securing (or was it stitch up?) nomination rather than trying to learn about Eastleigh. As the comedian did not even know what is happening to workers in Ford plant.
[quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: How gutless can they possibly be, doing the government;s dirty work for them. The early pioneers of the Labour Party must squirm in their graves when they see the cowardice of New Labour and their absolute determination not to represent the interests of working class people. What is the worst that could have happened had they refused to set a budget, and been disqualified and government commissioners sent in. The cuts would be the same, and the councillors would lose their allowances. Uh, oh, now I see........[/p][/quote]Well said Red 1918. You are right these unfit for the purpose NuLabourites in the Council are not willing to risk their easy income from Council. I have the feeling that there is another reason for these parasites towing anti local government line of their national leaders in London, which is to become Members of Parliament. If they don't behave like well trained puppets, and start speaking for the people they are supposed to represent in Council the Milliband's side kicks who run the Party like Mafia will block them from becoming Parliamentary candidates. Proof my argument? Look no further than recent selection for candidate in Eastleigh. Why man with massive experience record for hard work, exceptionally good at helping the people and speaking on their behalf certain former Deputy Leader of Hampshire and Southampton Council's Labour Groups who knows Eastleigh well and few years ago was candidate in Eastleigh certain Alan Lloyd was kept out of short list of candidates for selection? But few still wet behind their ears with lots of ego but very little ability and complete lack of guts Southampton councillors were put on that panel. And look who they selected, if that is the right word? A comedy writer who is turning out to be a clown, plonker was only interested in running to the pub after securing (or was it stitch up?) nomination rather than trying to learn about Eastleigh. As the comedian did not even know what is happening to workers in Ford plant. Paramjit Bahia

11:46am Thu 14 Feb 13

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
LeeB1900 wrote:
send the people back to the countries they originated from JUST to claim our housing benefits and council tax benefits and that would clear up about 90% of the debt! I am in no way being racial but FFS why encourage people from all over Europe to come over here when their intention is nothing over than to absorb OUR money. They pay nothing into the pot but are entitled to everything the British born are. Hardly fair seeing as when we travel we actually have to pay our way which is how it **** well should be. Our jobs, our benefits, our homes, our NHS services, our emergency services and just about everything else being drowned by people wanting a free ride. The Country has more foreigners than its own now! Fact!
And they turn round and send the British back to the UK, that would leave us a much greater population than it is now, there is a greater number of British aboard than there is foreigners, we have a population of around 60 million and only about 4 to 6 million are foreigners, but there is 10's of millions of british working and living abroad.
Are you having a laugh?
the official figures might say that but the truth with illegals & asylum seekers plus do EU member states count towards the immigration figures as they're not actually emigrating if they're already part of the EU are they?
Southy take a look at the places where we emigrate to. Thailand if you don't own a company & employ Thais you are only a Tourist & can't work.
Spain exactly how many jobs & homes do the British take off of the spanish?
It's not like you will get a council home in spain is it?
France again exactly what jobs & what homes are we taking from the French?
besides countries that are calling for skilled people from any country there's no where the amount you state living abroad as it is most of those people who live abroad are retired spending their pensions & savings buying homes so creating building work for the locals & not taking a penny from the host country but being net contributors so please get your facts right
The British are in every single country in the world, we are as bad as the Chinese and India's who are also in every single country in the world, you could go onto Easter Island and find British people working.
So please don't blame the overseas workers why there is very little unemployment, the fault is not theres, if you want to blame some thing then blame the Political and Economic Policy that we had for the last 30 years, its that is at fault the system did not work in the 1920's 30's it will not work now where the population is far greater and technology far more advance.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LeeB1900[/bold] wrote: send the people back to the countries they originated from JUST to claim our housing benefits and council tax benefits and that would clear up about 90% of the debt! I am in no way being racial but FFS why encourage people from all over Europe to come over here when their intention is nothing over than to absorb OUR money. They pay nothing into the pot but are entitled to everything the British born are. Hardly fair seeing as when we travel we actually have to pay our way which is how it **** well should be. Our jobs, our benefits, our homes, our NHS services, our emergency services and just about everything else being drowned by people wanting a free ride. The Country has more foreigners than its own now! Fact![/p][/quote]And they turn round and send the British back to the UK, that would leave us a much greater population than it is now, there is a greater number of British aboard than there is foreigners, we have a population of around 60 million and only about 4 to 6 million are foreigners, but there is 10's of millions of british working and living abroad.[/p][/quote]Are you having a laugh? the official figures might say that but the truth with illegals & asylum seekers plus do EU member states count towards the immigration figures as they're not actually emigrating if they're already part of the EU are they? Southy take a look at the places where we emigrate to. Thailand if you don't own a company & employ Thais you are only a Tourist & can't work. Spain exactly how many jobs & homes do the British take off of the spanish? It's not like you will get a council home in spain is it? France again exactly what jobs & what homes are we taking from the French? besides countries that are calling for skilled people from any country there's no where the amount you state living abroad as it is most of those people who live abroad are retired spending their pensions & savings buying homes so creating building work for the locals & not taking a penny from the host country but being net contributors so please get your facts right[/p][/quote]The British are in every single country in the world, we are as bad as the Chinese and India's who are also in every single country in the world, you could go onto Easter Island and find British people working. So please don't blame the overseas workers why there is very little unemployment, the fault is not theres, if you want to blame some thing then blame the Political and Economic Policy that we had for the last 30 years, its that is at fault the system did not work in the 1920's 30's it will not work now where the population is far greater and technology far more advance. southy

11:50am Thu 14 Feb 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said.

But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget?
We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies?
We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government.
THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest
So you are now trying to blame Keith and Don for Labour setting the budget, when fully aware that they have nothing to do with Labour Group in Council or even the party anymore.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?[/p][/quote]But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest[/p][/quote]So you are now trying to blame Keith and Don for Labour setting the budget, when fully aware that they have nothing to do with Labour Group in Council or even the party anymore. Paramjit Bahia

12:06pm Thu 14 Feb 13

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts!

Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.
did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years
You should go, it makes Southampton look quite modern and clean!
Been a long time since I was last in the Smokes at the Film studios, still got friends in that part of Ealing
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Only 4 comments, I guess most expected these cuts! Having just returned from a couple of days in London, I feel our City to be in a good condition visually than many places in the smoke.[/p][/quote]did you visit the smoke in London, I not been there for years[/p][/quote]You should go, it makes Southampton look quite modern and clean![/p][/quote]Been a long time since I was last in the Smokes at the Film studios, still got friends in that part of Ealing southy

12:19pm Thu 14 Feb 13

southy says...

Red1918 wrote:
How gutless can they possibly be, doing the government;s dirty work for them. The early pioneers of the Labour Party must squirm in their graves when they see the cowardice of New Labour and their absolute determination not to represent the interests of working class people. What is the worst that could have happened had they refused to set a budget, and been disqualified and government commissioners sent in. The cuts would be the same, and the councillors would lose their allowances. Uh, oh, now I see........
ah now you see the greater picture, self serving politicians only there for them selfs and not the people.
[quote][p][bold]Red1918[/bold] wrote: How gutless can they possibly be, doing the government;s dirty work for them. The early pioneers of the Labour Party must squirm in their graves when they see the cowardice of New Labour and their absolute determination not to represent the interests of working class people. What is the worst that could have happened had they refused to set a budget, and been disqualified and government commissioners sent in. The cuts would be the same, and the councillors would lose their allowances. Uh, oh, now I see........[/p][/quote]ah now you see the greater picture, self serving politicians only there for them selfs and not the people. southy

12:21pm Thu 14 Feb 13

southy says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said.

But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget?
We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies?
We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government.
THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest
So you are now trying to blame Keith and Don for Labour setting the budget, when fully aware that they have nothing to do with Labour Group in Council or even the party anymore.
Loose it was not just the Torys that was going to make cuts, all right wing partys was going to, just that Labour was the lesser of the evils out of the right wing partys
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?[/p][/quote]But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest[/p][/quote]So you are now trying to blame Keith and Don for Labour setting the budget, when fully aware that they have nothing to do with Labour Group in Council or even the party anymore.[/p][/quote]Loose it was not just the Torys that was going to make cuts, all right wing partys was going to, just that Labour was the lesser of the evils out of the right wing partys southy

12:29pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Portswoodfoke says...

hahahahhahahahahahah
ahahahahahahahahahha
hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahaha... labour voters. Retards.
hahahahhahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha... labour voters. Retards. Portswoodfoke

2:30pm Thu 14 Feb 13

loosehead says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said.

But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget?
We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies?
We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government.
THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest
So you are now trying to blame Keith and Don for Labour setting the budget, when fully aware that they have nothing to do with Labour Group in Council or even the party anymore.
I personally believe that any politician that's voted in as a member of a Party should resign his/hers seat if they are no longer in that party .
I'm not talking just about those two I'm talking about politicians in general.
you vote for a party if the person gets elected as a member of that party & then changes allegiances you never voted for they should resign as that's cheating the voter out of their choice.
I guess you won't agree with me but in these two's case if the people of Coxford were behind them & a local election for their two seats was won by them as a separate party then yes their budget should have been heard but the party they're standing for isn't the party the people voted for.
Don't get me wrong I'm as you know no lover of Williams Labour but if they felt that strongly about it why not force a local election & stand as the new party?
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?[/p][/quote]But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest[/p][/quote]So you are now trying to blame Keith and Don for Labour setting the budget, when fully aware that they have nothing to do with Labour Group in Council or even the party anymore.[/p][/quote]I personally believe that any politician that's voted in as a member of a Party should resign his/hers seat if they are no longer in that party . I'm not talking just about those two I'm talking about politicians in general. you vote for a party if the person gets elected as a member of that party & then changes allegiances you never voted for they should resign as that's cheating the voter out of their choice. I guess you won't agree with me but in these two's case if the people of Coxford were behind them & a local election for their two seats was won by them as a separate party then yes their budget should have been heard but the party they're standing for isn't the party the people voted for. Don't get me wrong I'm as you know no lover of Williams Labour but if they felt that strongly about it why not force a local election & stand as the new party? loosehead

2:37pm Thu 14 Feb 13

loosehead says...

Portswoodfoke wrote:
hahahahhahahahahahah

ahahahahahahahahahha

hahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahaha... labour voters. Retards.
I give up with the likes of Southy it could be 100% redundancies of council staff & it would be Maggie,Ukip or the last Tory councils fault he's an opposition candidate to Labour yet you'd think he think's the sun shines out of Williams arse the things he comes out with or the way he tries to steer the debate away from the subject.
We all know what the article is saying it's saying LABOUR & the UNIONS have shafted the council workers & the residents of this city.
We can all see we were better off with the Tory council.the workers were better off with the Tory deal at least they'd still have jobs.
all those that were calling me a liar all those who were defending this council & the unions seem to be very quiet now why?
if I was wrong & lying & they were right what exactly is this budget?
[quote][p][bold]Portswoodfoke[/bold] wrote: hahahahhahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha... labour voters. Retards.[/p][/quote]I give up with the likes of Southy it could be 100% redundancies of council staff & it would be Maggie,Ukip or the last Tory councils fault he's an opposition candidate to Labour yet you'd think he think's the sun shines out of Williams arse the things he comes out with or the way he tries to steer the debate away from the subject. We all know what the article is saying it's saying LABOUR & the UNIONS have shafted the council workers & the residents of this city. We can all see we were better off with the Tory council.the workers were better off with the Tory deal at least they'd still have jobs. all those that were calling me a liar all those who were defending this council & the unions seem to be very quiet now why? if I was wrong & lying & they were right what exactly is this budget? loosehead

2:48pm Thu 14 Feb 13

loosehead says...

Okay can any intelligent person explain this to me?
the council were expecting a £20million cut in the budget they got £5.8million less yet they're making £16million worth of cuts? only £14.2million cut in the budget but £16million cuts in jobs & services?
they also received £8million to run weekly refuse collections so they saved the money earmarked for Refuse collections so where has this money gone?
take a years cost of running weekly refuse collections out of the £14.2million cut in budget & exactly how much was cut from the budget?
or is Cllr Williams keeping that money plus the £1.8million for his own pet projects?
Come on some one tell me why the cuts are £16million when as I've shown the actual real cut in the budget is a lot lower than that?
put back the £3million that went to restore some workers pay & it wouldn't even be £10million oh so much lower than the £25million the Tories had forced on them by the Labour Government?
is Williams keeping this money for pet projects or is it the rest of the deal to get the unions to cause disruption & get rid of the Tory council & that deal was to restore pay so is that why all these services & jobs are going?
Okay can any intelligent person explain this to me? the council were expecting a £20million cut in the budget they got £5.8million less yet they're making £16million worth of cuts? only £14.2million cut in the budget but £16million cuts in jobs & services? they also received £8million to run weekly refuse collections so they saved the money earmarked for Refuse collections so where has this money gone? take a years cost of running weekly refuse collections out of the £14.2million cut in budget & exactly how much was cut from the budget? or is Cllr Williams keeping that money plus the £1.8million for his own pet projects? Come on some one tell me why the cuts are £16million when as I've shown the actual real cut in the budget is a lot lower than that? put back the £3million that went to restore some workers pay & it wouldn't even be £10million oh so much lower than the £25million the Tories had forced on them by the Labour Government? is Williams keeping this money for pet projects or is it the rest of the deal to get the unions to cause disruption & get rid of the Tory council & that deal was to restore pay so is that why all these services & jobs are going? loosehead

3:09pm Thu 14 Feb 13

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
Portswoodfoke wrote:
hahahahhahahahahahah


ahahahahahahahahahha


hahahahahahahahahaha


hahahahahahahaha... labour voters. Retards.
I give up with the likes of Southy it could be 100% redundancies of council staff & it would be Maggie,Ukip or the last Tory councils fault he's an opposition candidate to Labour yet you'd think he think's the sun shines out of Williams arse the things he comes out with or the way he tries to steer the debate away from the subject.
We all know what the article is saying it's saying LABOUR & the UNIONS have shafted the council workers & the residents of this city.
We can all see we were better off with the Tory council.the workers were better off with the Tory deal at least they'd still have jobs.
all those that were calling me a liar all those who were defending this council & the unions seem to be very quiet now why?
if I was wrong & lying & they were right what exactly is this budget?
When are you going to learn, whats at fault is the political and economic policy that the last 30 years our governments have been using, it was a policy that Thatcher bought back in, a policy that failed to work in the 1920's and 30's.
Things will only get worse as time moves on untill we get a good and true Socialist Government in power, and they can undo what as been done.
Even with the Torys there was going to be job losses and cuts in services, Labour yes they did lie, but we real Socialist knew that over 2 years ago, and we have been saying Labour will do the same as the Torys just go about it a different way, Labour was only just lesser of the 2 evils and that was about 100 jobs differences.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Portswoodfoke[/bold] wrote: hahahahhahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha... labour voters. Retards.[/p][/quote]I give up with the likes of Southy it could be 100% redundancies of council staff & it would be Maggie,Ukip or the last Tory councils fault he's an opposition candidate to Labour yet you'd think he think's the sun shines out of Williams arse the things he comes out with or the way he tries to steer the debate away from the subject. We all know what the article is saying it's saying LABOUR & the UNIONS have shafted the council workers & the residents of this city. We can all see we were better off with the Tory council.the workers were better off with the Tory deal at least they'd still have jobs. all those that were calling me a liar all those who were defending this council & the unions seem to be very quiet now why? if I was wrong & lying & they were right what exactly is this budget?[/p][/quote]When are you going to learn, whats at fault is the political and economic policy that the last 30 years our governments have been using, it was a policy that Thatcher bought back in, a policy that failed to work in the 1920's and 30's. Things will only get worse as time moves on untill we get a good and true Socialist Government in power, and they can undo what as been done. Even with the Torys there was going to be job losses and cuts in services, Labour yes they did lie, but we real Socialist knew that over 2 years ago, and we have been saying Labour will do the same as the Torys just go about it a different way, Labour was only just lesser of the 2 evils and that was about 100 jobs differences. southy

4:35pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Ben Durutti says...

loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest
A clue on finances? Like Royston who 'forgot' to pay his car insurance?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?[/p][/quote]But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest[/p][/quote]A clue on finances? Like Royston who 'forgot' to pay his car insurance? Ben Durutti

5:11pm Thu 14 Feb 13

loosehead says...

Ben Durutti wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest
A clue on finances? Like Royston who 'forgot' to pay his car insurance?
So you think this shower of S++t are okay then?
Let's look at Labour nationally's record.
went to the IMF as the Unions nearly bankrupted the country & Labour wouldn't take action to break them.
took over a thriving economy in the black & left power even taking the bank bail out fund out of the equation billions in debt.
Now look at this council Royston as you put it forgot to pay his insurance so this makes the whole Tory party inadequate?
his party took control of a council who were facing up to a £25million cut in their budget cut by a Labour Government to buy Northern votes.
the Tory council took action & were attacked over it but no job losses.
they hoped as the South was hammered by Labour with a Tory Government we wouldn't be hit again but it was a coalition & the Liberals didn't give a **** for the South & wanted the cuts right across the country.
the Council ( Tory) then put forward 5 separate proposals to the Unions to save money jobs & services but the Union wouldn't negotiate at all.ACAS happened & again they wouldn't talk then Williams let slip what Labours plans were & surprise surprise the Unions talked but with an alternative agenda Unite broke the deal worked out by all parties, they wanted a Labour council & now they've got it they're crying foul. as the saying they made their beds now let them lie in it.
The Tories plans would have seen no closures of Surestarts no closure or stoppages of front line services no loss to front line jobs.
Williams said the Tories would slash services close Surestarts & slash jobs but Labour wouldn't.
Now I'd rather trust some one who forgot to pay his insurance than an absolute liar like Williams & a party that never realised they were 5.8million better off than they thought & their leader was keeping 1.8million for his own pet projects.
OH! please don't forget it was the Tories that put in for the grant thats saved Refuse jobs
[quote][p][bold]Ben Durutti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?[/p][/quote]But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest[/p][/quote]A clue on finances? Like Royston who 'forgot' to pay his car insurance?[/p][/quote]So you think this shower of S++t are okay then? Let's look at Labour nationally's record. went to the IMF as the Unions nearly bankrupted the country & Labour wouldn't take action to break them. took over a thriving economy in the black & left power even taking the bank bail out fund out of the equation billions in debt. Now look at this council Royston as you put it forgot to pay his insurance so this makes the whole Tory party inadequate? his party took control of a council who were facing up to a £25million cut in their budget cut by a Labour Government to buy Northern votes. the Tory council took action & were attacked over it but no job losses. they hoped as the South was hammered by Labour with a Tory Government we wouldn't be hit again but it was a coalition & the Liberals didn't give a **** for the South & wanted the cuts right across the country. the Council ( Tory) then put forward 5 separate proposals to the Unions to save money jobs & services but the Union wouldn't negotiate at all.ACAS happened & again they wouldn't talk then Williams let slip what Labours plans were & surprise surprise the Unions talked but with an alternative agenda Unite broke the deal worked out by all parties, they wanted a Labour council & now they've got it they're crying foul. as the saying they made their beds now let them lie in it. The Tories plans would have seen no closures of Surestarts no closure or stoppages of front line services no loss to front line jobs. Williams said the Tories would slash services close Surestarts & slash jobs but Labour wouldn't. Now I'd rather trust some one who forgot to pay his insurance than an absolute liar like Williams & a party that never realised they were 5.8million better off than they thought & their leader was keeping 1.8million for his own pet projects. OH! please don't forget it was the Tories that put in for the grant thats saved Refuse jobs loosehead

8:03pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Maine Lobster says...

loosehead wrote:
Ben Durutti wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest
A clue on finances? Like Royston who 'forgot' to pay his car insurance?
So you think this shower of S++t are okay then?
Let's look at Labour nationally's record.
went to the IMF as the Unions nearly bankrupted the country & Labour wouldn't take action to break them.
took over a thriving economy in the black & left power even taking the bank bail out fund out of the equation billions in debt.
Now look at this council Royston as you put it forgot to pay his insurance so this makes the whole Tory party inadequate?
his party took control of a council who were facing up to a £25million cut in their budget cut by a Labour Government to buy Northern votes.
the Tory council took action & were attacked over it but no job losses.
they hoped as the South was hammered by Labour with a Tory Government we wouldn't be hit again but it was a coalition & the Liberals didn't give a **** for the South & wanted the cuts right across the country.
the Council ( Tory) then put forward 5 separate proposals to the Unions to save money jobs & services but the Union wouldn't negotiate at all.ACAS happened & again they wouldn't talk then Williams let slip what Labours plans were & surprise surprise the Unions talked but with an alternative agenda Unite broke the deal worked out by all parties, they wanted a Labour council & now they've got it they're crying foul. as the saying they made their beds now let them lie in it.
The Tories plans would have seen no closures of Surestarts no closure or stoppages of front line services no loss to front line jobs.
Williams said the Tories would slash services close Surestarts & slash jobs but Labour wouldn't.
Now I'd rather trust some one who forgot to pay his insurance than an absolute liar like Williams & a party that never realised they were 5.8million better off than they thought & their leader was keeping 1.8million for his own pet projects.
OH! please don't forget it was the Tories that put in for the grant thats saved Refuse jobs
If you have seen the news loosehead, you will have seen that Councils all over the country are having to cut services and jobs due to massive cuts in grant from central government. It doesn't matter who is in charge. all parties would be faced with a huge financial black hole. Southampton is not alone in this.The only difference is that local politicians make choices around the edges on issues they want to do or not do. All this Labour or Tory bashing is largely irrelevant. The damage was done by the banks who have been allowed to operate with little regulation for decades and dropped us all in it..
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ben Durutti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?[/p][/quote]But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest[/p][/quote]A clue on finances? Like Royston who 'forgot' to pay his car insurance?[/p][/quote]So you think this shower of S++t are okay then? Let's look at Labour nationally's record. went to the IMF as the Unions nearly bankrupted the country & Labour wouldn't take action to break them. took over a thriving economy in the black & left power even taking the bank bail out fund out of the equation billions in debt. Now look at this council Royston as you put it forgot to pay his insurance so this makes the whole Tory party inadequate? his party took control of a council who were facing up to a £25million cut in their budget cut by a Labour Government to buy Northern votes. the Tory council took action & were attacked over it but no job losses. they hoped as the South was hammered by Labour with a Tory Government we wouldn't be hit again but it was a coalition & the Liberals didn't give a **** for the South & wanted the cuts right across the country. the Council ( Tory) then put forward 5 separate proposals to the Unions to save money jobs & services but the Union wouldn't negotiate at all.ACAS happened & again they wouldn't talk then Williams let slip what Labours plans were & surprise surprise the Unions talked but with an alternative agenda Unite broke the deal worked out by all parties, they wanted a Labour council & now they've got it they're crying foul. as the saying they made their beds now let them lie in it. The Tories plans would have seen no closures of Surestarts no closure or stoppages of front line services no loss to front line jobs. Williams said the Tories would slash services close Surestarts & slash jobs but Labour wouldn't. Now I'd rather trust some one who forgot to pay his insurance than an absolute liar like Williams & a party that never realised they were 5.8million better off than they thought & their leader was keeping 1.8million for his own pet projects. OH! please don't forget it was the Tories that put in for the grant thats saved Refuse jobs[/p][/quote]If you have seen the news loosehead, you will have seen that Councils all over the country are having to cut services and jobs due to massive cuts in grant from central government. It doesn't matter who is in charge. all parties would be faced with a huge financial black hole. Southampton is not alone in this.The only difference is that local politicians make choices around the edges on issues they want to do or not do. All this Labour or Tory bashing is largely irrelevant. The damage was done by the banks who have been allowed to operate with little regulation for decades and dropped us all in it.. Maine Lobster

7:00am Fri 15 Feb 13

loosehead says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Ben Durutti wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..
Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?
But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest
A clue on finances? Like Royston who 'forgot' to pay his car insurance?
So you think this shower of S++t are okay then?
Let's look at Labour nationally's record.
went to the IMF as the Unions nearly bankrupted the country & Labour wouldn't take action to break them.
took over a thriving economy in the black & left power even taking the bank bail out fund out of the equation billions in debt.
Now look at this council Royston as you put it forgot to pay his insurance so this makes the whole Tory party inadequate?
his party took control of a council who were facing up to a £25million cut in their budget cut by a Labour Government to buy Northern votes.
the Tory council took action & were attacked over it but no job losses.
they hoped as the South was hammered by Labour with a Tory Government we wouldn't be hit again but it was a coalition & the Liberals didn't give a **** for the South & wanted the cuts right across the country.
the Council ( Tory) then put forward 5 separate proposals to the Unions to save money jobs & services but the Union wouldn't negotiate at all.ACAS happened & again they wouldn't talk then Williams let slip what Labours plans were & surprise surprise the Unions talked but with an alternative agenda Unite broke the deal worked out by all parties, they wanted a Labour council & now they've got it they're crying foul. as the saying they made their beds now let them lie in it.
The Tories plans would have seen no closures of Surestarts no closure or stoppages of front line services no loss to front line jobs.
Williams said the Tories would slash services close Surestarts & slash jobs but Labour wouldn't.
Now I'd rather trust some one who forgot to pay his insurance than an absolute liar like Williams & a party that never realised they were 5.8million better off than they thought & their leader was keeping 1.8million for his own pet projects.
OH! please don't forget it was the Tories that put in for the grant thats saved Refuse jobs
If you have seen the news loosehead, you will have seen that Councils all over the country are having to cut services and jobs due to massive cuts in grant from central government. It doesn't matter who is in charge. all parties would be faced with a huge financial black hole. Southampton is not alone in this.The only difference is that local politicians make choices around the edges on issues they want to do or not do. All this Labour or Tory bashing is largely irrelevant. The damage was done by the banks who have been allowed to operate with little regulation for decades and dropped us all in it..
Maine this isn't Labour bashing but Gordon Brown has admitted he relaxed the laws/rules governing banks & has said he must take some of the blame for the crash & so has Ed Balls
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ben Durutti[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: From my point of view I was one of the few that actually bothered to vote and helped to elect them, so I have to live with what they are doing, I appreciate that they are trying to make the most of what they have been dealt with. If you didn't vote you lost your right to criticise. Next time, have your say by voting or stand for election yourself and see how you feel when the critics pick on you. You are entitled to express your opinion, that is your right, all you can do is hope the right people are listening and not get upset if others disagree with you, that's democracy..[/p][/quote]Well said. But considering two councillors (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) were not even allowed to formally move their budget in full Council by the Mayor NuLabour's Burke yesterday, some people could rightly say what is the use of getting elected if they are not allowed to even express their views in the Council to be voted upon?[/p][/quote]But didn't those two get elected Labour Councillors? Didn't labour set the budget? We Tories were vilified by people on these posts labour said we were wrong well where's the apologies? We were right Labour have shown locally why we can't vote in a Labour Government. THEY HAVEN'T got a clue on finances, they have no clue on how to be honest[/p][/quote]A clue on finances? Like Royston who 'forgot' to pay his car insurance?[/p][/quote]So you think this shower of S++t are okay then? Let's look at Labour nationally's record. went to the IMF as the Unions nearly bankrupted the country & Labour wouldn't take action to break them. took over a thriving economy in the black & left power even taking the bank bail out fund out of the equation billions in debt. Now look at this council Royston as you put it forgot to pay his insurance so this makes the whole Tory party inadequate? his party took control of a council who were facing up to a £25million cut in their budget cut by a Labour Government to buy Northern votes. the Tory council took action & were attacked over it but no job losses. they hoped as the South was hammered by Labour with a Tory Government we wouldn't be hit again but it was a coalition & the Liberals didn't give a **** for the South & wanted the cuts right across the country. the Council ( Tory) then put forward 5 separate proposals to the Unions to save money jobs & services but the Union wouldn't negotiate at all.ACAS happened & again they wouldn't talk then Williams let slip what Labours plans were & surprise surprise the Unions talked but with an alternative agenda Unite broke the deal worked out by all parties, they wanted a Labour council & now they've got it they're crying foul. as the saying they made their beds now let them lie in it. The Tories plans would have seen no closures of Surestarts no closure or stoppages of front line services no loss to front line jobs. Williams said the Tories would slash services close Surestarts & slash jobs but Labour wouldn't. Now I'd rather trust some one who forgot to pay his insurance than an absolute liar like Williams & a party that never realised they were 5.8million better off than they thought & their leader was keeping 1.8million for his own pet projects. OH! please don't forget it was the Tories that put in for the grant thats saved Refuse jobs[/p][/quote]If you have seen the news loosehead, you will have seen that Councils all over the country are having to cut services and jobs due to massive cuts in grant from central government. It doesn't matter who is in charge. all parties would be faced with a huge financial black hole. Southampton is not alone in this.The only difference is that local politicians make choices around the edges on issues they want to do or not do. All this Labour or Tory bashing is largely irrelevant. The damage was done by the banks who have been allowed to operate with little regulation for decades and dropped us all in it..[/p][/quote]Maine this isn't Labour bashing but Gordon Brown has admitted he relaxed the laws/rules governing banks & has said he must take some of the blame for the crash & so has Ed Balls loosehead

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