Residents win battle against company expansion

Daily Echo: Residents win battle against company expansion Residents win battle against company expansion

PEOPLE living beside an industrial estate have won the first round of their battle to prevent one of the firms extending its opening hours.

Councillors went against the advice of planning officers and rejected an application from Screwfix Direct - even though the scheme would have created 18 full and part-time jobs.

Screwfix wanted to open until 8pm on weekdays, 6pm on Saturdays and 4pm on Sundays and bank holidays.

The building supply firm occupies part of the Carvers Industrial Estate in Southampton Road, Ringwood, which is next to a conservation area.

People living nearby had objected to the proposal, saying it would result in extra noise and disturbance.

They pointed out that another company on the estate had recently been refused consent to open on Sundays and Saturday afternoons.

The Screwfix application was thrown out at a meeting of New Forest District Council's planning and development control committee.

Councillor Jeremy Heron said the scheme, if approved, “would drive a coach and horses” through restrictions imposed in 1977 to protect the estate's neighbours.

Other members agreed that the proposal was “incompatible” with conditions imposed when planning permission for the units was granted in 1977.

But planning officer David Groom said: “The applicant has made a viable case that could be supported without causing any detriment. You've got to make a balanced judgement.”

Clare Day, representing the applicant, denied that all the firms on the estate were governed by restricted opening hours.

She added: “Members would not be justified in refusing this application on the grounds of noise and disturbance on the evidence and the case that we have put forward.”

However, the scheme was rejected by 13 votes to one.

Now people living near the estate must wait to learn if Screwfix will lodge an appeal with Government planners, who have the power to overturn the council's decision.

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12:29pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Cerdicjute says...

Trouble is objectors have to win every time, the applicant only once.
Trouble is objectors have to win every time, the applicant only once. Cerdicjute

3:10pm Wed 27 Feb 13

george h says...

Cerdicjute wrote:
Trouble is objectors have to win every time, the applicant only once.
That's not a problem. Permission once granted isn't necessarily forever. Enviro Health powers can and frequently are used to restrict business activity deemed to be detrimental to neighbours.

A recent example was in East London where a fish smokehouse that had operated for centuries was served with a closure notice.

Screwfix are a distribution company, a warehouse. They don't manufacture anything on that site. In essence, they are no different to Sainsbury's or M&S, and generate a lot less traffic.

I expect the company to win at appeal, and hope they do. NIMBYs are just one of many reasons why the UK economy is in deep trouble.

Successful companies like this one have multiple barriers put in their way by NIMBYS, while our competitors, the Chinese etc, etc, etc are laughing all the way to their banks.
[quote][p][bold]Cerdicjute[/bold] wrote: Trouble is objectors have to win every time, the applicant only once.[/p][/quote]That's not a problem. Permission once granted isn't necessarily forever. Enviro Health powers can and frequently are used to restrict business activity deemed to be detrimental to neighbours. A recent example was in East London where a fish smokehouse that had operated for centuries was served with a closure notice. Screwfix are a distribution company, a warehouse. They don't manufacture anything on that site. In essence, they are no different to Sainsbury's or M&S, and generate a lot less traffic. I expect the company to win at appeal, and hope they do. NIMBYs are just one of many reasons why the UK economy is in deep trouble. Successful companies like this one have multiple barriers put in their way by NIMBYS, while our competitors, the Chinese etc, etc, etc are laughing all the way to their banks. george h

4:46pm Wed 27 Feb 13

St.Winch70 says...

george h wrote:
Cerdicjute wrote: Trouble is objectors have to win every time, the applicant only once.
That's not a problem. Permission once granted isn't necessarily forever. Enviro Health powers can and frequently are used to restrict business activity deemed to be detrimental to neighbours. A recent example was in East London where a fish smokehouse that had operated for centuries was served with a closure notice. Screwfix are a distribution company, a warehouse. They don't manufacture anything on that site. In essence, they are no different to Sainsbury's or M&S, and generate a lot less traffic. I expect the company to win at appeal, and hope they do. NIMBYs are just one of many reasons why the UK economy is in deep trouble. Successful companies like this one have multiple barriers put in their way by NIMBYS, while our competitors, the Chinese etc, etc, etc are laughing all the way to their banks.
Yes we should all live in factories and work for next to nothing in squalid conditions, then one day our society might be as successful as China.

So there were objections from people who care about their immediate environment and have expectations for a certain quality of life during the evening and weekends.
What monsters!
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cerdicjute[/bold] wrote: Trouble is objectors have to win every time, the applicant only once.[/p][/quote]That's not a problem. Permission once granted isn't necessarily forever. Enviro Health powers can and frequently are used to restrict business activity deemed to be detrimental to neighbours. A recent example was in East London where a fish smokehouse that had operated for centuries was served with a closure notice. Screwfix are a distribution company, a warehouse. They don't manufacture anything on that site. In essence, they are no different to Sainsbury's or M&S, and generate a lot less traffic. I expect the company to win at appeal, and hope they do. NIMBYs are just one of many reasons why the UK economy is in deep trouble. Successful companies like this one have multiple barriers put in their way by NIMBYS, while our competitors, the Chinese etc, etc, etc are laughing all the way to their banks.[/p][/quote]Yes we should all live in factories and work for next to nothing in squalid conditions, then one day our society might be as successful as China. So there were objections from people who care about their immediate environment and have expectations for a certain quality of life during the evening and weekends. What monsters! St.Winch70

6:41pm Wed 27 Feb 13

george h says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
george h wrote:
Cerdicjute wrote: Trouble is objectors have to win every time, the applicant only once.
That's not a problem. Permission once granted isn't necessarily forever. Enviro Health powers can and frequently are used to restrict business activity deemed to be detrimental to neighbours. A recent example was in East London where a fish smokehouse that had operated for centuries was served with a closure notice. Screwfix are a distribution company, a warehouse. They don't manufacture anything on that site. In essence, they are no different to Sainsbury's or M&S, and generate a lot less traffic. I expect the company to win at appeal, and hope they do. NIMBYs are just one of many reasons why the UK economy is in deep trouble. Successful companies like this one have multiple barriers put in their way by NIMBYS, while our competitors, the Chinese etc, etc, etc are laughing all the way to their banks.
Yes we should all live in factories and work for next to nothing in squalid conditions, then one day our society might be as successful as China.

So there were objections from people who care about their immediate environment and have expectations for a certain quality of life during the evening and weekends.
What monsters!
Its companies like Screwfix, domestic not foreign, who earn profits, pay taxes (unlike foreign-owed multinationals like Starbucks etc) that pay good wages to those employed, while their taxes help pay for the pensions of the NIMBYs.

Monsters? Get a life! Don't be so selfish.

People need jobs. Employment gives people (especially youngsters) hope for the future. Alas the NIMBYs are probably already well-established with no thought at all for those less well placed.

Selfish hardly begins to describe those people. If only the councillors who voted this down could be surcharged for the costs that can, and probably will, be awarded after a successful appeal. Alas, it'll be the residents of Ringwood who pay the bill.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cerdicjute[/bold] wrote: Trouble is objectors have to win every time, the applicant only once.[/p][/quote]That's not a problem. Permission once granted isn't necessarily forever. Enviro Health powers can and frequently are used to restrict business activity deemed to be detrimental to neighbours. A recent example was in East London where a fish smokehouse that had operated for centuries was served with a closure notice. Screwfix are a distribution company, a warehouse. They don't manufacture anything on that site. In essence, they are no different to Sainsbury's or M&S, and generate a lot less traffic. I expect the company to win at appeal, and hope they do. NIMBYs are just one of many reasons why the UK economy is in deep trouble. Successful companies like this one have multiple barriers put in their way by NIMBYS, while our competitors, the Chinese etc, etc, etc are laughing all the way to their banks.[/p][/quote]Yes we should all live in factories and work for next to nothing in squalid conditions, then one day our society might be as successful as China. So there were objections from people who care about their immediate environment and have expectations for a certain quality of life during the evening and weekends. What monsters![/p][/quote]Its companies like Screwfix, domestic not foreign, who earn profits, pay taxes (unlike foreign-owed multinationals like Starbucks etc) that pay good wages to those employed, while their taxes help pay for the pensions of the NIMBYs. Monsters? Get a life! Don't be so selfish. People need jobs. Employment gives people (especially youngsters) hope for the future. Alas the NIMBYs are probably already well-established with no thought at all for those less well placed. Selfish hardly begins to describe those people. If only the councillors who voted this down could be surcharged for the costs that can, and probably will, be awarded after a successful appeal. Alas, it'll be the residents of Ringwood who pay the bill. george h

7:07pm Wed 27 Feb 13

St.Winch70 says...

Can't take you seriously I'm afraid. Nimbys holding back the economy...

The world will still turn if stores don't open every hour of every day.

Extended opening hours harm family life and leisure time and cause further stress and strain.
These are the things that should concern people. Not whether an already successful company can further line the pockets of their share holders.

Far from selfish, maybe you could do with more of a social conscience Mr China...
Can't take you seriously I'm afraid. Nimbys holding back the economy... The world will still turn if stores don't open every hour of every day. Extended opening hours harm family life and leisure time and cause further stress and strain. These are the things that should concern people. Not whether an already successful company can further line the pockets of their share holders. Far from selfish, maybe you could do with more of a social conscience Mr China... St.Winch70

8:50pm Wed 27 Feb 13

Scatgirl says...

not too worried if places like this are open till 6pm, its the time they start the day at that I am concerned with. We have an industrial estate near to us and in the summer the hgvs start leaving at around 5am waking us all up. the only solution is to keep the double glazed windows shut overnight. in the heat of a hot summers night this is not ideal...
not too worried if places like this are open till 6pm, its the time they start the day at that I am concerned with. We have an industrial estate near to us and in the summer the hgvs start leaving at around 5am waking us all up. the only solution is to keep the double glazed windows shut overnight. in the heat of a hot summers night this is not ideal... Scatgirl

12:44am Thu 28 Feb 13

george h says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
Can't take you seriously I'm afraid. Nimbys holding back the economy...

The world will still turn if stores don't open every hour of every day.

Extended opening hours harm family life and leisure time and cause further stress and strain.
These are the things that should concern people. Not whether an already successful company can further line the pockets of their share holders.

Far from selfish, maybe you could do with more of a social conscience Mr China...
Have your fun Mr NIMBY.

But don't blame others when Screwfix win an appeal and you and other Ringwood residents have to pay their costs.

And next time you need a builder, a plumber or even your drains unblocked at anti-social hours ask yourself where they can get their supplies. But don't badmouth the worker because you have to wait until office hours 9-5.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: Can't take you seriously I'm afraid. Nimbys holding back the economy... The world will still turn if stores don't open every hour of every day. Extended opening hours harm family life and leisure time and cause further stress and strain. These are the things that should concern people. Not whether an already successful company can further line the pockets of their share holders. Far from selfish, maybe you could do with more of a social conscience Mr China...[/p][/quote]Have your fun Mr NIMBY. But don't blame others when Screwfix win an appeal and you and other Ringwood residents have to pay their costs. And next time you need a builder, a plumber or even your drains unblocked at anti-social hours ask yourself where they can get their supplies. But don't badmouth the worker because you have to wait until office hours 9-5. george h

11:50am Thu 28 Feb 13

St.Winch70 says...

george h wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote: Can't take you seriously I'm afraid. Nimbys holding back the economy... The world will still turn if stores don't open every hour of every day. Extended opening hours harm family life and leisure time and cause further stress and strain. These are the things that should concern people. Not whether an already successful company can further line the pockets of their share holders. Far from selfish, maybe you could do with more of a social conscience Mr China...
Have your fun Mr NIMBY. But don't blame others when Screwfix win an appeal and you and other Ringwood residents have to pay their costs. And next time you need a builder, a plumber or even your drains unblocked at anti-social hours ask yourself where they can get their supplies. But don't badmouth the worker because you have to wait until office hours 9-5.
Wrong with the NIMBY charge I'm afraid; It's usually a lazy accusation by people that in the main are happy for developers and other commerce to run roughshod over them for financial gains.

Lets hope that one day we all reach your Chinese utopia....
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: Can't take you seriously I'm afraid. Nimbys holding back the economy... The world will still turn if stores don't open every hour of every day. Extended opening hours harm family life and leisure time and cause further stress and strain. These are the things that should concern people. Not whether an already successful company can further line the pockets of their share holders. Far from selfish, maybe you could do with more of a social conscience Mr China...[/p][/quote]Have your fun Mr NIMBY. But don't blame others when Screwfix win an appeal and you and other Ringwood residents have to pay their costs. And next time you need a builder, a plumber or even your drains unblocked at anti-social hours ask yourself where they can get their supplies. But don't badmouth the worker because you have to wait until office hours 9-5.[/p][/quote]Wrong with the NIMBY charge I'm afraid; It's usually a lazy accusation by people that in the main are happy for developers and other commerce to run roughshod over them for financial gains. Lets hope that one day we all reach your Chinese utopia.... St.Winch70

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