What's happened to our weather?

Daily Echo: Rain-lashed Britain Rain-lashed Britain

THIS past week has seen an unprecedented meeting of meteorological and climate experts at The Met Office to discuss recent “unusual” weather patterns affecting the UK over the past few years.

The experts emerged to announce, to much hand-wringing, that we can expect ten years of summer downpours.

But has the weather really been that bad?

And is it that strange after all?

There is no doubt the weather of the last six years or so has provided the layman with much to talk about, let alone the experts.

There were the downpours at last year’s Isle of Wight festival which saw revellers swamped in a sea of mud.

Even the buzz of London 2012 could not disguise the washout when Southampton residents were forced to put up their brollies as they welcomed the Olympic flame to a concert at Mayflower Park.

Not one but two Red Arrows performances in Southampton were cancelled for two major cruise events last year due to lashing rain and gales.

Southampton scrapped its Mela festival last year and even the traditional Netley Marsh steam fair got rained off.

In October, heavy rain and a high tide caused floods of up to 2ft feet deep on Southampton’s busiest roads, Mountbatten Way and Millbrook Road West.

Hampshire farmers spoke of their despair at devastating crop losses.

It could be argued that the exceptional summer floods of 2007 were the point at which things seemed to get a little out of kilter.

Since then we have had a run of relatively poor summers. Even the ones which weren’t flood-ridden have hardly been wall-to-wall sunshine.

At the other extreme, the winter season seems to have returned to our shores with a vengeance, with the coldest winter for 15 years in 2008/9 followed by the coldest winter for 30 years in 2009/10.

Legendary And while neither of these winters really rivalled the legendary ones of 1963 or 1947, December 2010 proved to be the coldest month in more than 100 years, and was a genuinely severe winter month.

Last spring we were in severe drought conditions following three dry winters on the trot, but despite this 2012 went on to be the wettest year on record in the UK (although those records have only been kept since 1910, and there were undoubtedly wetter years in England and Wales in the 1800s).

The last few months have provided us with another cold winter followed by the coldest spring for 50 years. So should we or the experts really be surprised by what has happened? Is it really that unusual? The answer to the first question is: not really.

The weather of the UK is always variable, because we are particularly at the mercy of the jet stream, which carries weather systems across the Atlantic towards our shores, and that variablilty in the jet stream can range from month to month, season to season and even over periods of tens of years.

For much of the period from 1988 to 2007, the jet stream pattern was strong and often running to the north of the UK.

This meant that our winters were often stormy due to the strength of the jet stream and mild due to its position north of the UK. Even when the jet stream flow did weaken in the summer, its average position to our north often allowed high pressure to dominate our summers and bring a good deal of fine weather. At the time, much of this warmer weather was put down to global warming and climate change.

In reality there was far more natural variation involved than was given credit. There are various periodic oceanic warming and cooling cycles which heavily influence the strength and position of the the jet stream, and it was only a matter of time before these changed, because they always have changed periodically – and always will.

In more recent times, the jet stream has been far weaker and much more meandering in its pattern, often flowing to the south of the UK. In winter, this makes it far easier for bitterly cold and snow-laden Arctic air to flood into the UK from the east, while in summer it can force rain-bearing low-pressure systems straight across the UK, rather than keeping them far to the north, as used to happen more often in the 1990s.

There are a number of culprits being blamed for this change of the jet stream pattern, ranging from the increased summer melting of sea ice to man-made global warming, to the oceanic pattern and also the fact that we are entering a solar minimum, with far fewer sun spots.

The latter is especially interesting in view of recent research showing a link between these periods and a greatly increased chance of bitter winters to the UK and Europe.

The Met Office summit, which looked at improving understanding of potential drivers of some of the unusual seasons, unsurprisingly concluded all these factors, and a few others besides, are affecting the situation to a greater or lesser extent.

A total of 25 weather and climate delegates including representatives from the Universities of Exeter, Leeds, Oxford, Reading, Imperial College London as well as the Met Office warned that because these cycles operate on cycles of a decade or more, we could experience soggy summers for “years to come.”

Our knowledge of our weather is increasing all the time but is far from complete, and so our ability to predict events will slowly change with time.

Perhaps our own expectation of what our weather can do needs to change as well. Long, hot, dry summers in the UK are an exception, not the rule, no matter how much some might wish it otherwise. In winter, the long succession of mild and quite stormy winters and autumns in the 1990s were an anomaly and did not reflect the fact that cold and snow are normal winter occurrences in the UK. In that respect our winters have really just returned to what was nearer the norm for much of the last 100 years or so.

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8:53am Sat 22 Jun 13

Ellwood says...

What's happened to our weather?
............. it's doing what it's always done....which by and large, is be unpredictable.
What's happened to our weather? ............. it's doing what it's always done....which by and large, is be unpredictable. Ellwood

8:59am Sat 22 Jun 13

Pikey Pete says...

After reading all this. Ellwood has it correct in just two lines. With the main word.

"Unpredictable".

To have meetings and conferences about, what we know is Unpredictable.

Does seem so British!!!
After reading all this. Ellwood has it correct in just two lines. With the main word. "Unpredictable". To have meetings and conferences about, what we know is Unpredictable. Does seem so British!!! Pikey Pete

9:10am Sat 22 Jun 13

Brite Spark says...

I blame global warming and the creeping Islamification of the UK.
I blame global warming and the creeping Islamification of the UK. Brite Spark

9:13am Sat 22 Jun 13

Block 42 says...

I blame ill nino.
I blame ill nino. Block 42

10:05am Sat 22 Jun 13

mrbacon says...

i blame arry redkrapp!
i blame arry redkrapp! mrbacon

11:56am Sat 22 Jun 13

southy says...

The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer
The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer southy

12:18pm Sat 22 Jun 13

noodlesnewman says...

Ellwood wrote:
What's happened to our weather?
............. it's doing what it's always done....which by and large, is be unpredictable.
I will tell you in a nut shell whats wrong with our weather ! And you can laugh all you like but this is as serious and critical as it gets , weather controll has been an on going thing now since end of second world war , they now have it cracked through a thing called HAARP ! YES HAARP !dont forget that name because its this that s the millitarys pandora s box this is our worst nightmare come true !Not only does is alter and push jet streams about it s pumps low frequency energy into the ground and causes earthquakes yes you heard me right earthquakes !!! one hundred of the last big earthquakes on our planet have all been accompanied by strange electrical phenomena in the sky s above ! which is consistant with HAARP , which stands for high frequency auroric research programe .THESE HAARP MACHINES HAVE BEEN MADE TO DEPOPULATE THE PLANET ITS HAARP THATS LEAD TO THE EXTINCTION OF THE HONEY BEE !!! I will remind you all what albert einstien said about the honey bee ,, if ever the honey bee should become extinct man will only have four years left himself on the planet !!! WE ARE GONNA BE QUEING FOR FOOD IN THE NOT SO DISTANT FUTURE , TIME TO HIT PANIC BUTTON PEOPLE OR JUST WALK AWAY AND LAUGH SHEEPLE X peace love and luck to you all .
[quote][p][bold]Ellwood[/bold] wrote: What's happened to our weather? ............. it's doing what it's always done....which by and large, is be unpredictable.[/p][/quote]I will tell you in a nut shell whats wrong with our weather ! And you can laugh all you like but this is as serious and critical as it gets , weather controll has been an on going thing now since end of second world war , they now have it cracked through a thing called HAARP ! YES HAARP !dont forget that name because its this that s the millitarys pandora s box this is our worst nightmare come true !Not only does is alter and push jet streams about it s pumps low frequency energy into the ground and causes earthquakes yes you heard me right earthquakes !!! one hundred of the last big earthquakes on our planet have all been accompanied by strange electrical phenomena in the sky s above ! which is consistant with HAARP , which stands for high frequency auroric research programe .THESE HAARP MACHINES HAVE BEEN MADE TO DEPOPULATE THE PLANET ITS HAARP THATS LEAD TO THE EXTINCTION OF THE HONEY BEE !!! I will remind you all what albert einstien said about the honey bee ,, if ever the honey bee should become extinct man will only have four years left himself on the planet !!! WE ARE GONNA BE QUEING FOR FOOD IN THE NOT SO DISTANT FUTURE , TIME TO HIT PANIC BUTTON PEOPLE OR JUST WALK AWAY AND LAUGH SHEEPLE X peace love and luck to you all . noodlesnewman

12:38pm Sat 22 Jun 13

noodlesnewman says...

Brite Spark wrote:
I blame global warming and the creeping Islamification of the UK.
you wanna be worried about the creeping of NWO my son they ve been depopulating the blacks through aids which is man made for years , they blew their own twin towers up to start a bogus war on terror and on the muslims . NWO is now at our door and they ve divided and conquered this country big style thanks to numb nuts like you , you is gonna be in food que s in the not so distant future . wake up mush realise the smell of this coffee ,it aint so sweet xxx
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: I blame global warming and the creeping Islamification of the UK.[/p][/quote]you wanna be worried about the creeping of NWO my son they ve been depopulating the blacks through aids which is man made for years , they blew their own twin towers up to start a bogus war on terror and on the muslims . NWO is now at our door and they ve divided and conquered this country big style thanks to numb nuts like you , you is gonna be in food que s in the not so distant future . wake up mush realise the smell of this coffee ,it aint so sweet xxx noodlesnewman

12:46pm Sat 22 Jun 13

southy says...

noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time. southy

1:43pm Sat 22 Jun 13

noodlesnewman says...

southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx noodlesnewman

1:56pm Sat 22 Jun 13

noodlesnewman says...

noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
ps as regards to solar activity look at the carrington event ,also hit you tube for docs on haarp and chem trails i hope i m wrong but i think the honey bee s extinction has been engineered by the illuminati / club of rome / olypians / bilderberger group / commitee of 300 call them what you like these black nobility s are trying covertly in plain sight ! to depopulate the planet . yes im paranoid all right i suggest you look at the definition of paranoid xxx
[quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx[/p][/quote]ps as regards to solar activity look at the carrington event ,also hit you tube for docs on haarp and chem trails i hope i m wrong but i think the honey bee s extinction has been engineered by the illuminati / club of rome / olypians / bilderberger group / commitee of 300 call them what you like these black nobility s are trying covertly in plain sight ! to depopulate the planet . yes im paranoid all right i suggest you look at the definition of paranoid xxx noodlesnewman

2:01pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Jayne388 says...

noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read !

Please post a lot more here !
[quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx[/p][/quote]I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read ! Please post a lot more here ! Jayne388

2:56pm Sat 22 Jun 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer
.. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions.

You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century.

As for the rest, just your usual rubbish.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer[/p][/quote].. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions. You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century. As for the rest, just your usual rubbish. freefinker

2:59pm Sat 22 Jun 13

freefinker says...

.. oh dear, I see the nutters have been allowed access to the computer again.
.. oh dear, I see the nutters have been allowed access to the computer again. freefinker

3:07pm Sat 22 Jun 13

cwsoton says...

The funny thing about the predictions made by the scientists this week is that they have forecast that we could have 10 years of soggy summers, but then a few times this week have not managed to get the forecast right for 10 hours later. Wednesday and Thursday were prime examples, predicted heavy rain for both mornings, both ended up being dry.
The funny thing about the predictions made by the scientists this week is that they have forecast that we could have 10 years of soggy summers, but then a few times this week have not managed to get the forecast right for 10 hours later. Wednesday and Thursday were prime examples, predicted heavy rain for both mornings, both ended up being dry. cwsoton

3:07pm Sat 22 Jun 13

noodlesnewman says...

Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read !

Please post a lot more here !
I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx[/p][/quote]I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read ! Please post a lot more here ![/p][/quote]I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx noodlesnewman

3:12pm Sat 22 Jun 13

noodlesnewman says...

freefinker wrote:
.. oh dear, I see the nutters have been allowed access to the computer again.
access your computer AND DO YOUR RESEARCH WAKE UP YOU FOOL !
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. oh dear, I see the nutters have been allowed access to the computer again.[/p][/quote]access your computer AND DO YOUR RESEARCH WAKE UP YOU FOOL ! noodlesnewman

3:16pm Sat 22 Jun 13

sparkster says...

I think weather cycles happen every few years, i cant say about global warming, how can that be when we have had snow for the last couple of winters????
I think weather cycles happen every few years, i cant say about global warming, how can that be when we have had snow for the last couple of winters???? sparkster

3:32pm Sat 22 Jun 13

freefinker says...

sparkster wrote:
I think weather cycles happen every few years, i cant say about global warming, how can that be when we have had snow for the last couple of winters????
.. oh dear. Please learn the difference between climate and weather.
[quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: I think weather cycles happen every few years, i cant say about global warming, how can that be when we have had snow for the last couple of winters????[/p][/quote].. oh dear. Please learn the difference between climate and weather. freefinker

3:37pm Sat 22 Jun 13

freefinker says...

noodlesnewman wrote:
freefinker wrote:
.. oh dear, I see the nutters have been allowed access to the computer again.
access your computer AND DO YOUR RESEARCH WAKE UP YOU FOOL !
.. glad you recognised who I was referring to.

Fully awake, thank you; and I don't need to shout.
[quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: .. oh dear, I see the nutters have been allowed access to the computer again.[/p][/quote]access your computer AND DO YOUR RESEARCH WAKE UP YOU FOOL ![/p][/quote].. glad you recognised who I was referring to. Fully awake, thank you; and I don't need to shout. freefinker

3:44pm Sat 22 Jun 13

bigfella777 says...

The English weather is great, lush green vegetation, no mosquitoes or other disease carrying insects and no tropical diseases, lovely and fresh. I hate the heat, hope it stays this way.
The English weather is great, lush green vegetation, no mosquitoes or other disease carrying insects and no tropical diseases, lovely and fresh. I hate the heat, hope it stays this way. bigfella777

4:09pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Murray mint says...

Nobody mentioned those pesky North Koreans, surely they must have something to do with all this!
Nobody mentioned those pesky North Koreans, surely they must have something to do with all this! Murray mint

4:27pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Jayne388 says...

noodlesnewman wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read !

Please post a lot more here !
I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx
Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ?

Please define these new words you use:

"radio singal
ionoshere
thinkness
so thing that
attension
perril
sheeple"

Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.
[quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx[/p][/quote]I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read ! Please post a lot more here ![/p][/quote]I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx[/p][/quote]Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ? Please define these new words you use: "radio singal ionoshere thinkness so thing that attension perril sheeple" Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse. Jayne388

5:10pm Sat 22 Jun 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer
.. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions.

You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century.

As for the rest, just your usual rubbish.
Its now knowage fact in the meds that Sertsey was the major cause of the winters of sixtys and seventys.
El Chichon and Pinatubo cause havoc at low levels, they don't have the same explosive force of a volcano like Krakato, Sertsey,
Therus and that one in New Zealand North Island, those 4 volcanos all have one thing in common a great mass of water getting below the cauldren, the lava turns to foam and the pressure builds up because of it, Sertsey is the new one this two got water below the cauldren it was only because it was small is why it did not go up with the same explosive force of the likes of Krakatoa or Therus, but the power was there to push sea water and ash well above the ozone layers, where as El Chichon and Pinatubo its ash only manage to reach the jet stream.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer[/p][/quote].. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions. You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century. As for the rest, just your usual rubbish.[/p][/quote]Its now knowage fact in the meds that Sertsey was the major cause of the winters of sixtys and seventys. El Chichon and Pinatubo cause havoc at low levels, they don't have the same explosive force of a volcano like Krakato, Sertsey, Therus and that one in New Zealand North Island, those 4 volcanos all have one thing in common a great mass of water getting below the cauldren, the lava turns to foam and the pressure builds up because of it, Sertsey is the new one this two got water below the cauldren it was only because it was small is why it did not go up with the same explosive force of the likes of Krakatoa or Therus, but the power was there to push sea water and ash well above the ozone layers, where as El Chichon and Pinatubo its ash only manage to reach the jet stream. southy

5:17pm Sat 22 Jun 13

southy says...

Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read !

Please post a lot more here !
I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx
Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ?

Please define these new words you use:

"radio singal
ionoshere
thinkness
so thing that
attension
perril
sheeple"

Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.
noodlesnewman
You do know why HAARP came about, just you don't HAARP was the result of near failer off Operation Market Garden (wwii), new type of radio failed big time and nearly cost the allied force big time, after the war endded research in this area started, check out the reseach on rainbow missles thats all part of it also
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx[/p][/quote]I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read ! Please post a lot more here ![/p][/quote]I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx[/p][/quote]Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ? Please define these new words you use: "radio singal ionoshere thinkness so thing that attension perril sheeple" Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.[/p][/quote]noodlesnewman You do know why HAARP came about, just you don't HAARP was the result of near failer off Operation Market Garden (wwii), new type of radio failed big time and nearly cost the allied force big time, after the war endded research in this area started, check out the reseach on rainbow missles thats all part of it also southy

5:19pm Sat 22 Jun 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer
.. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions.

You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century.

As for the rest, just your usual rubbish.
Its now knowage fact in the meds that Sertsey was the major cause of the winters of sixtys and seventys.
El Chichon and Pinatubo cause havoc at low levels, they don't have the same explosive force of a volcano like Krakato, Sertsey,
Therus and that one in New Zealand North Island, those 4 volcanos all have one thing in common a great mass of water getting below the cauldren, the lava turns to foam and the pressure builds up because of it, Sertsey is the new one this two got water below the cauldren it was only because it was small is why it did not go up with the same explosive force of the likes of Krakatoa or Therus, but the power was there to push sea water and ash well above the ozone layers, where as El Chichon and Pinatubo its ash only manage to reach the jet stream.
.. total and utter twaddle.
Again you demonstrate your scientific illiteracy.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer[/p][/quote].. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions. You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century. As for the rest, just your usual rubbish.[/p][/quote]Its now knowage fact in the meds that Sertsey was the major cause of the winters of sixtys and seventys. El Chichon and Pinatubo cause havoc at low levels, they don't have the same explosive force of a volcano like Krakato, Sertsey, Therus and that one in New Zealand North Island, those 4 volcanos all have one thing in common a great mass of water getting below the cauldren, the lava turns to foam and the pressure builds up because of it, Sertsey is the new one this two got water below the cauldren it was only because it was small is why it did not go up with the same explosive force of the likes of Krakatoa or Therus, but the power was there to push sea water and ash well above the ozone layers, where as El Chichon and Pinatubo its ash only manage to reach the jet stream.[/p][/quote].. total and utter twaddle. Again you demonstrate your scientific illiteracy. freefinker

7:12pm Sat 22 Jun 13

noodlesnewman says...

Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read !

Please post a lot more here !
I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx
Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ?

Please define these new words you use:

"radio singal
ionoshere
thinkness
so thing that
attension
perril
sheeple"

Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.
Thats cool ! just do the research you will in time come to an awfull conclusion , the best guy on this subject is david icke and he was spot on about james saville ten years ago , go on have a good old laugh at david icke but look at his web site he doesnt appear as nuts as he used to ,or just carry on with your head burried in the sand and dont say you was nt warned ! x
[quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx[/p][/quote]I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read ! Please post a lot more here ![/p][/quote]I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx[/p][/quote]Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ? Please define these new words you use: "radio singal ionoshere thinkness so thing that attension perril sheeple" Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.[/p][/quote]Thats cool ! just do the research you will in time come to an awfull conclusion , the best guy on this subject is david icke and he was spot on about james saville ten years ago , go on have a good old laugh at david icke but look at his web site he doesnt appear as nuts as he used to ,or just carry on with your head burried in the sand and dont say you was nt warned ! x noodlesnewman

7:34pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Jayne388 says...

noodlesnewman wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read !

Please post a lot more here !
I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx
Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ?

Please define these new words you use:

"radio singal
ionoshere
thinkness
so thing that
attension
perril
sheeple"

Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.
Thats cool ! just do the research you will in time come to an awfull conclusion , the best guy on this subject is david icke and he was spot on about james saville ten years ago , go on have a good old laugh at david icke but look at his web site he doesnt appear as nuts as he used to ,or just carry on with your head burried in the sand and dont say you was nt warned ! x
Kicked out the Jehovah's Witnesses for being too aggressive, were you ?

You're about to lose credibility. Watch and learn.
[quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx[/p][/quote]I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read ! Please post a lot more here ![/p][/quote]I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx[/p][/quote]Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ? Please define these new words you use: "radio singal ionoshere thinkness so thing that attension perril sheeple" Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.[/p][/quote]Thats cool ! just do the research you will in time come to an awfull conclusion , the best guy on this subject is david icke and he was spot on about james saville ten years ago , go on have a good old laugh at david icke but look at his web site he doesnt appear as nuts as he used to ,or just carry on with your head burried in the sand and dont say you was nt warned ! x[/p][/quote]Kicked out the Jehovah's Witnesses for being too aggressive, were you ? You're about to lose credibility. Watch and learn. Jayne388

7:37pm Sat 22 Jun 13

Jayne388 says...

I think noodlesnewman could be Billy. He said he'd had enough and wouldn't bother, but this is just the sort of stunt he would pull !
I think noodlesnewman could be Billy. He said he'd had enough and wouldn't bother, but this is just the sort of stunt he would pull ! Jayne388

9:22pm Sat 22 Jun 13

good-gosh says...

There is nothing remarkable about the weather other than the remarks about the weather.
There is nothing remarkable about the weather other than the remarks about the weather. good-gosh

9:41pm Sat 22 Jun 13

noodlesnewman says...

southy wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read !

Please post a lot more here !
I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx
Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ?

Please define these new words you use:

"radio singal
ionoshere
thinkness
so thing that
attension
perril
sheeple"

Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.
noodlesnewman
You do know why HAARP came about, just you don't HAARP was the result of near failer off Operation Market Garden (wwii), new type of radio failed big time and nearly cost the allied force big time, after the war endded research in this area started, check out the reseach on rainbow missles thats all part of it also
Some say that the illuminati shadow government have been covertly advancing technologicly 42 years to our 1 year since the end of the second world war , when all the brilliant nazi scientist s were rounded up and put into secret locations and given a limitless black budget to work with , and you have to admit all these people seeing ufo s etc cant all be liars , its all food for thought and worth a look at , HAARP is very worrying x x and the vanishing honey bee 1 in 3 mouthfulls of food is attributed to the honey bee and its all but gone i ve been walking through miles of wild flowers and cant find the european honey bee any where . I m 46 years old and i can remember when you couldnt sit down on the grass for bee s and butter flies , some thing reallyreally awfull is wrong with our plannet !
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx[/p][/quote]I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read ! Please post a lot more here ![/p][/quote]I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx[/p][/quote]Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ? Please define these new words you use: "radio singal ionoshere thinkness so thing that attension perril sheeple" Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.[/p][/quote]noodlesnewman You do know why HAARP came about, just you don't HAARP was the result of near failer off Operation Market Garden (wwii), new type of radio failed big time and nearly cost the allied force big time, after the war endded research in this area started, check out the reseach on rainbow missles thats all part of it also[/p][/quote]Some say that the illuminati shadow government have been covertly advancing technologicly 42 years to our 1 year since the end of the second world war , when all the brilliant nazi scientist s were rounded up and put into secret locations and given a limitless black budget to work with , and you have to admit all these people seeing ufo s etc cant all be liars , its all food for thought and worth a look at , HAARP is very worrying x x and the vanishing honey bee 1 in 3 mouthfulls of food is attributed to the honey bee and its all but gone i ve been walking through miles of wild flowers and cant find the european honey bee any where . I m 46 years old and i can remember when you couldnt sit down on the grass for bee s and butter flies , some thing reallyreally awfull is wrong with our plannet ! noodlesnewman

10:40pm Sat 22 Jun 13

derek james says...

whilst man's ability to control the weather are in the realms of fantasy to which the likes of "freefinker" subscribes the steady march towards a "world government" are not, you only have to look at the recent junket in northern Ireland where the men with real power are barroso and Rompuy (not sure if spelt right) of the eu were there to make sure Camoron didn't say the wrong things
whilst man's ability to control the weather are in the realms of fantasy to which the likes of "freefinker" subscribes the steady march towards a "world government" are not, you only have to look at the recent junket in northern Ireland where the men with real power are barroso and Rompuy (not sure if spelt right) of the eu were there to make sure Camoron didn't say the wrong things derek james

11:29pm Sat 22 Jun 13

freefinker says...

derek james wrote:
whilst man's ability to control the weather are in the realms of fantasy to which the likes of "freefinker" subscribes the steady march towards a "world government" are not, you only have to look at the recent junket in northern Ireland where the men with real power are barroso and Rompuy (not sure if spelt right) of the eu were there to make sure Camoron didn't say the wrong things
.. well, despite the unscientific nonsense you spout, I do have to admit you are not as loony as noodlesnewman.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: whilst man's ability to control the weather are in the realms of fantasy to which the likes of "freefinker" subscribes the steady march towards a "world government" are not, you only have to look at the recent junket in northern Ireland where the men with real power are barroso and Rompuy (not sure if spelt right) of the eu were there to make sure Camoron didn't say the wrong things[/p][/quote].. well, despite the unscientific nonsense you spout, I do have to admit you are not as loony as noodlesnewman. freefinker

10:24am Sun 23 Jun 13

Murray mint says...

Comedy Gold, please keep it up, I could get a best seller out of this!
Comedy Gold, please keep it up, I could get a best seller out of this! Murray mint

1:04pm Sun 23 Jun 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer
.. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions.

You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century.

As for the rest, just your usual rubbish.
Its now knowage fact in the meds that Sertsey was the major cause of the winters of sixtys and seventys.
El Chichon and Pinatubo cause havoc at low levels, they don't have the same explosive force of a volcano like Krakato, Sertsey,
Therus and that one in New Zealand North Island, those 4 volcanos all have one thing in common a great mass of water getting below the cauldren, the lava turns to foam and the pressure builds up because of it, Sertsey is the new one this two got water below the cauldren it was only because it was small is why it did not go up with the same explosive force of the likes of Krakatoa or Therus, but the power was there to push sea water and ash well above the ozone layers, where as El Chichon and Pinatubo its ash only manage to reach the jet stream.
.. total and utter twaddle.
Again you demonstrate your scientific illiteracy.
free
El Chichon and Pinatubo are unable to get ash above the Jet stream, they just do not have the power force to be able to get above that, Jet Planes fly in the lower levels of the Jet stream, to be able to fly in the upper jet streams it would take the use of a rocket, the top of the jet stream over laps in the bottom of the ozone layer.
There are very few sheiled volcanos that can push ash and water vapour into the top of the jet stream (sheiled volcanos are the ones that are made though continatial plates sliding on top another plate like El Chichon and Pinatubo) Unsheilded volcanos (which there even fewer off there power comes from below the earths crust) and push ash and water into the Ozone layer like Mauna Loa, but the worse ones are those that get there power below the earth crust and can get sea water into the cauldren volcanos like Deception, Krakatoa, Sertsey, Therus and the one in NZ cant remember its name at the moment, when they mean business they just don't go boom they go sonic boom taking the volcano mount with it all in one go, last time Krakatoa meant business it took out a land mass radious of 5 miles left 3 small islands it had more force than the atomic bombs drop on Japan in wwii, Therus last time that meant business done the same and that was before the Greek empire, Sertsey and Deception are new but they all ready know these 2 volcanos will present major problems in the future they have all the making of being another Krakatoa and Therus more so Sertsey because of the worlds population location, both are with in the area that could trigger of the deeping of an ice age, if they ever go up with the force of an A-bomb.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer[/p][/quote].. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions. You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century. As for the rest, just your usual rubbish.[/p][/quote]Its now knowage fact in the meds that Sertsey was the major cause of the winters of sixtys and seventys. El Chichon and Pinatubo cause havoc at low levels, they don't have the same explosive force of a volcano like Krakato, Sertsey, Therus and that one in New Zealand North Island, those 4 volcanos all have one thing in common a great mass of water getting below the cauldren, the lava turns to foam and the pressure builds up because of it, Sertsey is the new one this two got water below the cauldren it was only because it was small is why it did not go up with the same explosive force of the likes of Krakatoa or Therus, but the power was there to push sea water and ash well above the ozone layers, where as El Chichon and Pinatubo its ash only manage to reach the jet stream.[/p][/quote].. total and utter twaddle. Again you demonstrate your scientific illiteracy.[/p][/quote]free El Chichon and Pinatubo are unable to get ash above the Jet stream, they just do not have the power force to be able to get above that, Jet Planes fly in the lower levels of the Jet stream, to be able to fly in the upper jet streams it would take the use of a rocket, the top of the jet stream over laps in the bottom of the ozone layer. There are very few sheiled volcanos that can push ash and water vapour into the top of the jet stream (sheiled volcanos are the ones that are made though continatial plates sliding on top another plate like El Chichon and Pinatubo) Unsheilded volcanos (which there even fewer off there power comes from below the earths crust) and push ash and water into the Ozone layer like Mauna Loa, but the worse ones are those that get there power below the earth crust and can get sea water into the cauldren volcanos like Deception, Krakatoa, Sertsey, Therus and the one in NZ cant remember its name at the moment, when they mean business they just don't go boom they go sonic boom taking the volcano mount with it all in one go, last time Krakatoa meant business it took out a land mass radious of 5 miles left 3 small islands it had more force than the atomic bombs drop on Japan in wwii, Therus last time that meant business done the same and that was before the Greek empire, Sertsey and Deception are new but they all ready know these 2 volcanos will present major problems in the future they have all the making of being another Krakatoa and Therus more so Sertsey because of the worlds population location, both are with in the area that could trigger of the deeping of an ice age, if they ever go up with the force of an A-bomb. southy

1:27pm Sun 23 Jun 13

southy says...

noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
Jayne388 wrote:
noodlesnewman wrote:
southy wrote:
noodlesnewman
HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.
DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx
I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read !

Please post a lot more here !
I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx
Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ?

Please define these new words you use:

"radio singal
ionoshere
thinkness
so thing that
attension
perril
sheeple"

Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.
noodlesnewman
You do know why HAARP came about, just you don't HAARP was the result of near failer off Operation Market Garden (wwii), new type of radio failed big time and nearly cost the allied force big time, after the war endded research in this area started, check out the reseach on rainbow missles thats all part of it also
Some say that the illuminati shadow government have been covertly advancing technologicly 42 years to our 1 year since the end of the second world war , when all the brilliant nazi scientist s were rounded up and put into secret locations and given a limitless black budget to work with , and you have to admit all these people seeing ufo s etc cant all be liars , its all food for thought and worth a look at , HAARP is very worrying x x and the vanishing honey bee 1 in 3 mouthfulls of food is attributed to the honey bee and its all but gone i ve been walking through miles of wild flowers and cant find the european honey bee any where . I m 46 years old and i can remember when you couldnt sit down on the grass for bee s and butter flies , some thing reallyreally awfull is wrong with our plannet !
illuminati yea sure if they still are around they are not the ones in control of world governments, Bilderberg groups, not the meetings, not the steering committee, but the real Bilderberg group that came together in 1945, who organise the steering committee in 1954 who organise the meetings under strict control of 45 group
[quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jayne388[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noodlesnewman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: noodlesnewman HAARP is research in to the efects of radio singals in the d to f layers in the ionoshere, this were the radio transmission bounce back to earth, the thinkness of these bands change according to night and day time temp, but they are also effected by sun spot activity, sun spots is another thing that will effect our weather but its not a small patch effected like HAARP will effect, with sun spots it will effect the whole of the ionoshere so thing that HAARP can not do unless it was to cover the whole of the earth with these masts to transmitt a signal, but the amount of energy that will be need to to so would leave the whole of the earth with out power, the one in alaska uses about 3.5 mw to run in the 10 meter band, and need to be carefully pick what time it transmitt, that amount of power of the nation grid would black out the state if pick at the wrong time.[/p][/quote]DO MORE RESEARCH ON HAARP PLEASE, IT S BEEN WEAPONISED BY THE SUPER POWERS ! THE BAND MUSE EVEN NAMED AN ALBUM HAARP TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENSION , MATT BELAMY HAS A DEGREE IN PHYSICS AND KNOWS ABOUT ENERGY , LOOK AT DR NICK BEGEITCH AND ANGELS DONT PLAY THIS HAARP ,PS TELL EVERY ONE YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS !! I was at the v festival a few years ago when muse were playing and and had just released their album haarp , myself and dozens of other people witnessed a fire ball that stayed in the sky over the festival for 3 to 4 hours then slowly moved off we even called radio 1 and reported it to jo wiley , any way later that evening it started to rain in biblical proportions all night untill there was a 1 foot deep puddle in front of main stage , you can call me nuts if you like but this is the honest truth its what happened ! ignor this at your own perril .check muse lyrics out u will be interested !! good luck your on a journey now xxx[/p][/quote]I don't know, at this stage, whether you are telling the truth, freaking out on something, or having a bl**dy good laugh with a wildly original imagination, noodles, but it makes for a very interesting, thought-provoking, and, if nothing else, a thoroughly entertaining read ! Please post a lot more here ![/p][/quote]I sincerely wish i was having a laugh x do your own research ! and tell every one, the honey bee has gone and its no accident , research haarp , chem trails ,and the commitee of 3oo and the bilderberger group who have been meeting since the 1950 s under a media black out as pointed by the ukip guy a couple of weeks ago at the euro parliament ! research it or put your head back down and carry on grass munching like the other sheeple , better still read william bramleys book , THE GODS OF EDEN , this book explains the origins of the brotherhood net works and who they really aspire too ! happy reading become illuminated xxx[/p][/quote]Do you have all the Readers Digest mags ? Books by Charles Fort ? Theories about the Bermuda Triangle being a portal used for abduction by aliens ? Seen lots of UFO's have you ? Have Martians stolen all our honeybees using a giant, invisible vacuum hose, to assist them with a new hyperdrive ? Please define these new words you use: "radio singal ionoshere thinkness so thing that attension perril sheeple" Just asking. But please keep posting, as it is much more interesting than the run-of-the-mill posts. But being an open forum, you will be subject to questioning, and sceptical, verbal abuse.[/p][/quote]noodlesnewman You do know why HAARP came about, just you don't HAARP was the result of near failer off Operation Market Garden (wwii), new type of radio failed big time and nearly cost the allied force big time, after the war endded research in this area started, check out the reseach on rainbow missles thats all part of it also[/p][/quote]Some say that the illuminati shadow government have been covertly advancing technologicly 42 years to our 1 year since the end of the second world war , when all the brilliant nazi scientist s were rounded up and put into secret locations and given a limitless black budget to work with , and you have to admit all these people seeing ufo s etc cant all be liars , its all food for thought and worth a look at , HAARP is very worrying x x and the vanishing honey bee 1 in 3 mouthfulls of food is attributed to the honey bee and its all but gone i ve been walking through miles of wild flowers and cant find the european honey bee any where . I m 46 years old and i can remember when you couldnt sit down on the grass for bee s and butter flies , some thing reallyreally awfull is wrong with our plannet ![/p][/quote]illuminati yea sure if they still are around they are not the ones in control of world governments, Bilderberg groups, not the meetings, not the steering committee, but the real Bilderberg group that came together in 1945, who organise the steering committee in 1954 who organise the meetings under strict control of 45 group southy

3:48pm Sun 23 Jun 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer
.. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions.

You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century.

As for the rest, just your usual rubbish.
Its now knowage fact in the meds that Sertsey was the major cause of the winters of sixtys and seventys.
El Chichon and Pinatubo cause havoc at low levels, they don't have the same explosive force of a volcano like Krakato, Sertsey,
Therus and that one in New Zealand North Island, those 4 volcanos all have one thing in common a great mass of water getting below the cauldren, the lava turns to foam and the pressure builds up because of it, Sertsey is the new one this two got water below the cauldren it was only because it was small is why it did not go up with the same explosive force of the likes of Krakatoa or Therus, but the power was there to push sea water and ash well above the ozone layers, where as El Chichon and Pinatubo its ash only manage to reach the jet stream.
.. total and utter twaddle.
Again you demonstrate your scientific illiteracy.
free
El Chichon and Pinatubo are unable to get ash above the Jet stream, they just do not have the power force to be able to get above that, Jet Planes fly in the lower levels of the Jet stream, to be able to fly in the upper jet streams it would take the use of a rocket, the top of the jet stream over laps in the bottom of the ozone layer.
There are very few sheiled volcanos that can push ash and water vapour into the top of the jet stream (sheiled volcanos are the ones that are made though continatial plates sliding on top another plate like El Chichon and Pinatubo) Unsheilded volcanos (which there even fewer off there power comes from below the earths crust) and push ash and water into the Ozone layer like Mauna Loa, but the worse ones are those that get there power below the earth crust and can get sea water into the cauldren volcanos like Deception, Krakatoa, Sertsey, Therus and the one in NZ cant remember its name at the moment, when they mean business they just don't go boom they go sonic boom taking the volcano mount with it all in one go, last time Krakatoa meant business it took out a land mass radious of 5 miles left 3 small islands it had more force than the atomic bombs drop on Japan in wwii, Therus last time that meant business done the same and that was before the Greek empire, Sertsey and Deception are new but they all ready know these 2 volcanos will present major problems in the future they have all the making of being another Krakatoa and Therus more so Sertsey because of the worlds population location, both are with in the area that could trigger of the deeping of an ice age, if they ever go up with the force of an A-bomb.
.. total and utter rubbish. You haven't got a clue about volcanism, and even less of a clue as to how eruptions interact with the atmosphere and thus affect our weather and climate.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The Ozone layer also plays a big part in our weather, the ozone layer rises and falls according to the season over the pole the rise and fall is far greater than over the tropics, in summer the ozone layer warms up and rises, winter it cools and falls, certain volcanos can alter the pattern of rise and fall of this layer, like in the 60's and early 70's long winters where due to volcanic activity in Iceland the newly formed Sertsey volcano, push loads of water and ash above the ozone layer stopping the ozone warming up in the summer and rising it stayed at a low level, as the Jet Streams boarder on the bottom and just below the Ozone layer it pushes the Jet stream more south than it should normally be, theres about 4 volcanos in the world that can have the power to push water and ash above the ozone layer[/p][/quote].. no, no, no. As I've told you before the Surtsey eruption of 1963/7 was comparatively small as far as atmospheric output was concerned. It was newsworthy in that it created a new island, but was small even by Icelandic eruptions. You need to look at El Chichón, 1982, and Pinatubo, 1991, both of which make Surtsey seem like a small pimple, if you are looking for climate changing eruptions in the twentieth century. As for the rest, just your usual rubbish.[/p][/quote]Its now knowage fact in the meds that Sertsey was the major cause of the winters of sixtys and seventys. El Chichon and Pinatubo cause havoc at low levels, they don't have the same explosive force of a volcano like Krakato, Sertsey, Therus and that one in New Zealand North Island, those 4 volcanos all have one thing in common a great mass of water getting below the cauldren, the lava turns to foam and the pressure builds up because of it, Sertsey is the new one this two got water below the cauldren it was only because it was small is why it did not go up with the same explosive force of the likes of Krakatoa or Therus, but the power was there to push sea water and ash well above the ozone layers, where as El Chichon and Pinatubo its ash only manage to reach the jet stream.[/p][/quote].. total and utter twaddle. Again you demonstrate your scientific illiteracy.[/p][/quote]free El Chichon and Pinatubo are unable to get ash above the Jet stream, they just do not have the power force to be able to get above that, Jet Planes fly in the lower levels of the Jet stream, to be able to fly in the upper jet streams it would take the use of a rocket, the top of the jet stream over laps in the bottom of the ozone layer. There are very few sheiled volcanos that can push ash and water vapour into the top of the jet stream (sheiled volcanos are the ones that are made though continatial plates sliding on top another plate like El Chichon and Pinatubo) Unsheilded volcanos (which there even fewer off there power comes from below the earths crust) and push ash and water into the Ozone layer like Mauna Loa, but the worse ones are those that get there power below the earth crust and can get sea water into the cauldren volcanos like Deception, Krakatoa, Sertsey, Therus and the one in NZ cant remember its name at the moment, when they mean business they just don't go boom they go sonic boom taking the volcano mount with it all in one go, last time Krakatoa meant business it took out a land mass radious of 5 miles left 3 small islands it had more force than the atomic bombs drop on Japan in wwii, Therus last time that meant business done the same and that was before the Greek empire, Sertsey and Deception are new but they all ready know these 2 volcanos will present major problems in the future they have all the making of being another Krakatoa and Therus more so Sertsey because of the worlds population location, both are with in the area that could trigger of the deeping of an ice age, if they ever go up with the force of an A-bomb.[/p][/quote].. total and utter rubbish. You haven't got a clue about volcanism, and even less of a clue as to how eruptions interact with the atmosphere and thus affect our weather and climate. freefinker

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