Safety call after pony killed in crash

Daily Echo: Safety call after pony killed in crash Safety call after pony killed in crash

A DRAMATIC picture has been released of the damage caused to a car after it was in an accident in which a New Forest pony was killed.

The Verderers, the organisation in charge of Forest stock, say the occupants of the VW Touareg were lucky not to have been killed or seriously injured.

The 4x4 was travelling along the B3078 Brook to Godshill road when the collision occurred.

A Verderers spokesman said: “A pony was killed and the occupants were lucky not to have been injured themselves. They were saved by the air bags and the size of the vehicle in which they were travelling.

“The force of the collision caused enormous damage. Had it been a smaller vehicle the collision could have had tragic consequences for the driver and their passengers.”

The Verderers have released the photograph as part of their campaign to highlight the potential consequences of animal accidents in the Forest.

A total of 65 animals were killed or injured between January 1 and the end of September, compared with 50 in the same period last year.

Another spate of accidents is expected to occur after October 27 when the clocks go back and commuters find themselves driving home in the dark for the first time in months.

The Verderers spokesman added: “With autumn upon us and the evenings drawing in, motorists are reminded to take extra care when driving across the Forest.

“It’s always a particularly dangerous time for Forest stock when the clocks go back. Motorists should adjust their speed to take account of the road conditions and the darker evenings.

“If a driver is involved in an accident or witnesses a collision they must call the police as soon as possible.

“Even if an animal runs off it may be seriously hurt or have internal injuries so it’s important that it is found and treated quickly.”

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6:54am Mon 21 Oct 13

Forest Resident says...

Once again we sadly see that it's actually the motor vehicle (rather its driver) that is the clear and present danger on New Forst roads, the statistics for causes of animal deaths/injuries broken down by transport method and published by the verderers themselves makes for interesting reading http://www.verderers
.org.uk/roadaccs.pdf
Once again we sadly see that it's actually the motor vehicle (rather its driver) that is the clear and present danger on New Forst roads, the statistics for causes of animal deaths/injuries broken down by transport method and published by the verderers themselves makes for interesting reading http://www.verderers .org.uk/roadaccs.pdf Forest Resident

8:02am Mon 21 Oct 13

hulla baloo says...

What is the first paragraph about?
What is the first paragraph about? hulla baloo

8:04am Mon 21 Oct 13

WiddlyScuds says...

And this is more of an SUV style vehicle if anyone accidentally hit a horse or something of similar size in a smaller, older hatchback it could be fatal for both. In smaller saloons i've heard of animals going through the windscreen.
And this is more of an SUV style vehicle if anyone accidentally hit a horse or something of similar size in a smaller, older hatchback it could be fatal for both. In smaller saloons i've heard of animals going through the windscreen. WiddlyScuds

8:09am Mon 21 Oct 13

Ozmosis says...

But if you check the ratio killed, it is dropping year on year. Although it could be better things are improving
But if you check the ratio killed, it is dropping year on year. Although it could be better things are improving Ozmosis

8:22am Mon 21 Oct 13

jonone says...

I assume the speed limit at this location is 40, as it is across the rest of the New Forest? That seems a considerable amount of damage to be sustained at that speed on such a theoretically robust vehicle - if it was doing 40....
I assume the speed limit at this location is 40, as it is across the rest of the New Forest? That seems a considerable amount of damage to be sustained at that speed on such a theoretically robust vehicle - if it was doing 40.... jonone

8:47am Mon 21 Oct 13

From the sidelines says...

What a load of BS.

The extremities of a vehicle are made to deform, to absorb the energy of a collision without deforming the passenger cabin, and without transferring the shock to the occupants. Try googling 'crumple zones'.

What you see here is the result of that deformation.
What a load of BS. The extremities of a vehicle are made to deform, to absorb the energy of a collision without deforming the passenger cabin, and without transferring the shock to the occupants. Try googling 'crumple zones'. What you see here is the result of that deformation. From the sidelines

9:09am Mon 21 Oct 13

Franks Tank says...

Another horse NOT killed by thousands of "lycra louts" marauding around the forest then?.
Another horse NOT killed by thousands of "lycra louts" marauding around the forest then?. Franks Tank

9:22am Mon 21 Oct 13

solents says...

Why can't more be done to protect the ponies by making them more visible at night? I'm not saying strap flashing lights to them but surely there is a way that florescent material could be carried on them which won't snag or endanger the animals. It just appears that the animals are only protected by a drivers observation and concentration - sadly this doesn't appear to be enough. .
Why can't more be done to protect the ponies by making them more visible at night? I'm not saying strap flashing lights to them but surely there is a way that florescent material could be carried on them which won't snag or endanger the animals. It just appears that the animals are only protected by a drivers observation and concentration - sadly this doesn't appear to be enough. . solents

9:56am Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

I'M DISGUSTED.
Honestly, I feel sick to the stomach with hearing about the amount of ponies and cows etc that are being killed in NF.

This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony.

There were clearly not doing 40. If theres a small chance they were doing 40 then they were clearly not slowing down as they approached the pony or this wouldn't have happened.

The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it.
This driver is selfish and arrogant and disrespectful towards the animals and the locals. stay away from this beauty spot.

I live in NF and am fed up with the people who think it's ok to speed through this idylic place.

Yes I agree, I think all animals in NF should have reflective collars of some sort, and when they round them up annually or before, they should fit them all with these and check them regularly to make sure they are still on them. It's for the safety of these animals and that should be a priority.

I also think that the whole of the NF should be a 30 MPH zone, as clearly people are not respectful of animals or locals.

end of rant,
I'M DISGUSTED. Honestly, I feel sick to the stomach with hearing about the amount of ponies and cows etc that are being killed in NF. This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony. There were clearly not doing 40. If theres a small chance they were doing 40 then they were clearly not slowing down as they approached the pony or this wouldn't have happened. The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it. This driver is selfish and arrogant and disrespectful towards the animals and the locals. stay away from this beauty spot. I live in NF and am fed up with the people who think it's ok to speed through this idylic place. Yes I agree, I think all animals in NF should have reflective collars of some sort, and when they round them up annually or before, they should fit them all with these and check them regularly to make sure they are still on them. It's for the safety of these animals and that should be a priority. I also think that the whole of the NF should be a 30 MPH zone, as clearly people are not respectful of animals or locals. end of rant, country bird

9:57am Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

solents wrote:
Why can't more be done to protect the ponies by making them more visible at night? I'm not saying strap flashing lights to them but surely there is a way that florescent material could be carried on them which won't snag or endanger the animals. It just appears that the animals are only protected by a drivers observation and concentration - sadly this doesn't appear to be enough. .
I completely agree, although half the amount of injuries and deaths are sadly during daylight hours.
[quote][p][bold]solents[/bold] wrote: Why can't more be done to protect the ponies by making them more visible at night? I'm not saying strap flashing lights to them but surely there is a way that florescent material could be carried on them which won't snag or endanger the animals. It just appears that the animals are only protected by a drivers observation and concentration - sadly this doesn't appear to be enough. .[/p][/quote]I completely agree, although half the amount of injuries and deaths are sadly during daylight hours. country bird

9:58am Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

hulla baloo wrote:
What is the first paragraph about?
clearly you are bit dim
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: What is the first paragraph about?[/p][/quote]clearly you are bit dim country bird

9:59am Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

Ozmosis wrote:
But if you check the ratio killed, it is dropping year on year. Although it could be better things are improving
no it isn't according to the article displayed above, if you had read it.
It says 50 killed last year and 65 already this yr.
[quote][p][bold]Ozmosis[/bold] wrote: But if you check the ratio killed, it is dropping year on year. Although it could be better things are improving[/p][/quote]no it isn't according to the article displayed above, if you had read it. It says 50 killed last year and 65 already this yr. country bird

10:00am Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

jonone wrote:
I assume the speed limit at this location is 40, as it is across the rest of the New Forest? That seems a considerable amount of damage to be sustained at that speed on such a theoretically robust vehicle - if it was doing 40....
my point exactly, thank you.
[quote][p][bold]jonone[/bold] wrote: I assume the speed limit at this location is 40, as it is across the rest of the New Forest? That seems a considerable amount of damage to be sustained at that speed on such a theoretically robust vehicle - if it was doing 40....[/p][/quote]my point exactly, thank you. country bird

10:01am Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

Franks Tank wrote:
Another horse NOT killed by thousands of "lycra louts" marauding around the forest then?.
get over it, the cycle event has finished.
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: Another horse NOT killed by thousands of "lycra louts" marauding around the forest then?.[/p][/quote]get over it, the cycle event has finished. country bird

10:09am Mon 21 Oct 13

freefinker says...

"A total of 65 animals were killed or injured between January 1 and the end of September, compared with 50 in the same period last year."

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the UK, over 600 million sentient animals have their mainly miserable lives prematurely cut short at the behest of our species.

I think a sense of proportion is needed.
"A total of 65 animals were killed or injured between January 1 and the end of September, compared with 50 in the same period last year." Meanwhile, elsewhere in the UK, over 600 million sentient animals have their mainly miserable lives prematurely cut short at the behest of our species. I think a sense of proportion is needed. freefinker

10:16am Mon 21 Oct 13

Torchie1 says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Once again we sadly see that it's actually the motor vehicle (rather its driver) that is the clear and present danger on New Forst roads, the statistics for causes of animal deaths/injuries broken down by transport method and published by the verderers themselves makes for interesting reading http://www.verderers

.org.uk/roadaccs.pdf
Sad little man on bicycle easily identified by the chip on each shoulder, the axe awaiting a good grind and singing the same old song.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Once again we sadly see that it's actually the motor vehicle (rather its driver) that is the clear and present danger on New Forst roads, the statistics for causes of animal deaths/injuries broken down by transport method and published by the verderers themselves makes for interesting reading http://www.verderers .org.uk/roadaccs.pdf[/p][/quote]Sad little man on bicycle easily identified by the chip on each shoulder, the axe awaiting a good grind and singing the same old song. Torchie1

10:27am Mon 21 Oct 13

mellowdude says...

"The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it."

Where in the artice does it say this is the case, jumping to conclusions perhaps? Ponies just stay still and just wait for people to hit them. Oh wait, no they dont, they have these things called legs and as a result can move at some speed. The motorist may have seen the pony, and moved to avoid it, yet the pony then moved and this resulted in a collision.

As stated above, cars are designed to crumple, so no one knows how fast the car was actually travelling.
"The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it." Where in the artice does it say this is the case, jumping to conclusions perhaps? Ponies just stay still and just wait for people to hit them. Oh wait, no they dont, they have these things called legs and as a result can move at some speed. The motorist may have seen the pony, and moved to avoid it, yet the pony then moved and this resulted in a collision. As stated above, cars are designed to crumple, so no one knows how fast the car was actually travelling. mellowdude

11:00am Mon 21 Oct 13

Frank28 says...

Speed kills. Perhaps if they made it an offence to injure or kill an animal on the forest, it might make drivers more wary. The animals on the New Forest have 'right of way'.
Speed kills. Perhaps if they made it an offence to injure or kill an animal on the forest, it might make drivers more wary. The animals on the New Forest have 'right of way'. Frank28

11:11am Mon 21 Oct 13

Franks Tank says...

country bird wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
Another horse NOT killed by thousands of "lycra louts" marauding around the forest then?.
get over it, the cycle event has finished.
I will if you will.

Country bird wrote:-
"This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony."

Surely the driver could have slowed down and gone round it.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: Another horse NOT killed by thousands of "lycra louts" marauding around the forest then?.[/p][/quote]get over it, the cycle event has finished.[/p][/quote]I will if you will. Country bird wrote:- "This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony." Surely the driver could have slowed down and gone round it. Franks Tank

11:39am Mon 21 Oct 13

Tone says...

Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK.

Let's only save the cute animals.
Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK. Let's only save the cute animals. Tone

11:42am Mon 21 Oct 13

beesdee says...

I think a lot of drivers just don't give a toss about the animals whose home they're driving through. Numerous times I have seen people speeding past ponies at the side of the road, giving them just a couple of feet clearance. Even at 40mph this is dangerous. If they were children rather than ponies, would they do the same? If there's nothing coming towards you, use the other side of the road, and SLOW DOWN!
I think a lot of drivers just don't give a toss about the animals whose home they're driving through. Numerous times I have seen people speeding past ponies at the side of the road, giving them just a couple of feet clearance. Even at 40mph this is dangerous. If they were children rather than ponies, would they do the same? If there's nothing coming towards you, use the other side of the road, and SLOW DOWN! beesdee

12:03pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Dchadder says...

Verderers please note. Cars, SUVs, trucks and Land Rovers are killing your New Forest ponies aren't they? How many New Forest ponies have ever been killed by a cyclist? None, I should think. More cyclists and less vehicles on New Forest roads would reduce your losses of innocent ponies wouldn't they? Do you agree Verderers? If I had ever cycled into the side of an unlit pony on a dark road I would have come off worst.
Verderers please note. Cars, SUVs, trucks and Land Rovers are killing your New Forest ponies aren't they? How many New Forest ponies have ever been killed by a cyclist? None, I should think. More cyclists and less vehicles on New Forest roads would reduce your losses of innocent ponies wouldn't they? Do you agree Verderers? If I had ever cycled into the side of an unlit pony on a dark road I would have come off worst. Dchadder

12:09pm Mon 21 Oct 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

All the time you have idiots in charge of lethal weapons, this will happen. The only sensible answer is to fence the animals in, keep them off of the roads.
All the time you have idiots in charge of lethal weapons, this will happen. The only sensible answer is to fence the animals in, keep them off of the roads. OSPREYSAINT

12:16pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Mary80 says...

Maybe 40 isnt such a wise speed limit with ponies randomly dotted around the roads
Maybe 40 isnt such a wise speed limit with ponies randomly dotted around the roads Mary80

12:52pm Mon 21 Oct 13

dolomiteman says...

Dramatic? NO.

It's simple folks, modern cars are made out of plastics and light metals, they are designed to crumple and absorb the impact there is no way anyone could say how fast the car was going just by looking at the pictures.
Was the pony stood in the road, was it visible , did it run out in front of the car, did the driver take evasive action, did he think it was a deer and was aiming for a cheap Dinner? all questions that can't be answered by looking at a picture.

The deaths will continue until something is done about the dark coloured animals straying onto unlit roads.
Dramatic? NO. It's simple folks, modern cars are made out of plastics and light metals, they are designed to crumple and absorb the impact there is no way anyone could say how fast the car was going just by looking at the pictures. Was the pony stood in the road, was it visible , did it run out in front of the car, did the driver take evasive action, did he think it was a deer and was aiming for a cheap Dinner? all questions that can't be answered by looking at a picture. The deaths will continue until something is done about the dark coloured animals straying onto unlit roads. dolomiteman

12:52pm Mon 21 Oct 13

General Grievance says...

Would be interesting to understand the time of day this accident took place. Hard to imagine that the driver could not have seen a pony in daylight or taken sensible precautions if any were nearby on such an open stretch of road at 40 mph. At night, the ponies are quite visible if facing traffic or side on due to reflective collars that really do help. However, I know from experience (not painful) that they are very difficult to spot from behind and can surprise some drivers. Not sure if relective markings are possible on the rear of horses etc. but it may help.
Would be interesting to understand the time of day this accident took place. Hard to imagine that the driver could not have seen a pony in daylight or taken sensible precautions if any were nearby on such an open stretch of road at 40 mph. At night, the ponies are quite visible if facing traffic or side on due to reflective collars that really do help. However, I know from experience (not painful) that they are very difficult to spot from behind and can surprise some drivers. Not sure if relective markings are possible on the rear of horses etc. but it may help. General Grievance

1:19pm Mon 21 Oct 13

123Dexter says...

The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year. 123Dexter

1:27pm Mon 21 Oct 13

acid drop says...

country bird wrote:
I'M DISGUSTED.
Honestly, I feel sick to the stomach with hearing about the amount of ponies and cows etc that are being killed in NF.

This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony.

There were clearly not doing 40. If theres a small chance they were doing 40 then they were clearly not slowing down as they approached the pony or this wouldn't have happened.

The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it.
This driver is selfish and arrogant and disrespectful towards the animals and the locals. stay away from this beauty spot.

I live in NF and am fed up with the people who think it's ok to speed through this idylic place.

Yes I agree, I think all animals in NF should have reflective collars of some sort, and when they round them up annually or before, they should fit them all with these and check them regularly to make sure they are still on them. It's for the safety of these animals and that should be a priority.

I also think that the whole of the NF should be a 30 MPH zone, as clearly people are not respectful of animals or locals.

end of rant,
You could make it a twenty mph zone but people would still speed
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: I'M DISGUSTED. Honestly, I feel sick to the stomach with hearing about the amount of ponies and cows etc that are being killed in NF. This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony. There were clearly not doing 40. If theres a small chance they were doing 40 then they were clearly not slowing down as they approached the pony or this wouldn't have happened. The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it. This driver is selfish and arrogant and disrespectful towards the animals and the locals. stay away from this beauty spot. I live in NF and am fed up with the people who think it's ok to speed through this idylic place. Yes I agree, I think all animals in NF should have reflective collars of some sort, and when they round them up annually or before, they should fit them all with these and check them regularly to make sure they are still on them. It's for the safety of these animals and that should be a priority. I also think that the whole of the NF should be a 30 MPH zone, as clearly people are not respectful of animals or locals. end of rant,[/p][/quote]You could make it a twenty mph zone but people would still speed acid drop

1:47pm Mon 21 Oct 13

hulla baloo says...

country bird wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
What is the first paragraph about?
clearly you are bit dim
If you were up early enough and read the original 1st paragraph, it was so wrong on many counts. It has been rewritten since.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: What is the first paragraph about?[/p][/quote]clearly you are bit dim[/p][/quote]If you were up early enough and read the original 1st paragraph, it was so wrong on many counts. It has been rewritten since. hulla baloo

2:02pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

mellowdude wrote:
"The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it."

Where in the artice does it say this is the case, jumping to conclusions perhaps? Ponies just stay still and just wait for people to hit them. Oh wait, no they dont, they have these things called legs and as a result can move at some speed. The motorist may have seen the pony, and moved to avoid it, yet the pony then moved and this resulted in a collision.

As stated above, cars are designed to crumple, so no one knows how fast the car was actually travelling.
mmmm let's see....the car is seriously damaged and clearly not because the driver was going slow enough to avoid them, then the pony moved so the driver did again....else the driver would prob be going about 10 miles per hour SURELY this is obvious!
AND their car would not have that amount of damage either.

The animals in the NF have priority over the motorises-END OF

The animals do not get a "safety net" of cars and air bags and abs...obv cars do - END OF

However, I would never wish anyone harm, and hope the passengers are ok.
[quote][p][bold]mellowdude[/bold] wrote: "The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it." Where in the artice does it say this is the case, jumping to conclusions perhaps? Ponies just stay still and just wait for people to hit them. Oh wait, no they dont, they have these things called legs and as a result can move at some speed. The motorist may have seen the pony, and moved to avoid it, yet the pony then moved and this resulted in a collision. As stated above, cars are designed to crumple, so no one knows how fast the car was actually travelling.[/p][/quote]mmmm let's see....the car is seriously damaged and clearly not because the driver was going slow enough to avoid them, then the pony moved so the driver did again....else the driver would prob be going about 10 miles per hour SURELY this is obvious! AND their car would not have that amount of damage either. The animals in the NF have priority over the motorises-END OF The animals do not get a "safety net" of cars and air bags and abs...obv cars do - END OF However, I would never wish anyone harm, and hope the passengers are ok. country bird

2:30pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

Tone wrote:
Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK.

Let's only save the cute animals.
not another one!

You must be one of the increasing idiots that come to the NF then and cause disruption with your speeding and wreckless driving.
with that attitude you can stay out of NF as your not welcome.

These anomals arent neccessarily cute, but they are owned by indivuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents.

there is a place for everything in this life, and killing or harming animals in the NF should be a criminal offence.

And there is also humane ways of killing animals in the food chain, but smashing the hell out of them is not right.

So if a child runs out in front of the road, then we would be put in prison for murder, but it's ok for humans to do it to them thru stupid driving and speeding.??
[quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK. Let's only save the cute animals.[/p][/quote]not another one! You must be one of the increasing idiots that come to the NF then and cause disruption with your speeding and wreckless driving. with that attitude you can stay out of NF as your not welcome. These anomals arent neccessarily cute, but they are owned by indivuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents. there is a place for everything in this life, and killing or harming animals in the NF should be a criminal offence. And there is also humane ways of killing animals in the food chain, but smashing the hell out of them is not right. So if a child runs out in front of the road, then we would be put in prison for murder, but it's ok for humans to do it to them thru stupid driving and speeding.?? country bird

2:37pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

Dchadder wrote:
Verderers please note. Cars, SUVs, trucks and Land Rovers are killing your New Forest ponies aren't they? How many New Forest ponies have ever been killed by a cyclist? None, I should think. More cyclists and less vehicles on New Forest roads would reduce your losses of innocent ponies wouldn't they? Do you agree Verderers? If I had ever cycled into the side of an unlit pony on a dark road I would have come off worst.
again, the cycling event is over and no one is moaning about the cyclists.

I agree to a certain extent. However, there are thousands of locals who live in NF who need their cars, so then that leaves people visiting......
Maybe, we should not allow people on "the outside" to visit the NF.

Maybe, us locals, should pull up the draw bridge and keep others out then.
[quote][p][bold]Dchadder[/bold] wrote: Verderers please note. Cars, SUVs, trucks and Land Rovers are killing your New Forest ponies aren't they? How many New Forest ponies have ever been killed by a cyclist? None, I should think. More cyclists and less vehicles on New Forest roads would reduce your losses of innocent ponies wouldn't they? Do you agree Verderers? If I had ever cycled into the side of an unlit pony on a dark road I would have come off worst.[/p][/quote]again, the cycling event is over and no one is moaning about the cyclists. I agree to a certain extent. However, there are thousands of locals who live in NF who need their cars, so then that leaves people visiting...... Maybe, we should not allow people on "the outside" to visit the NF. Maybe, us locals, should pull up the draw bridge and keep others out then. country bird

2:43pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

freefinker wrote:
"A total of 65 animals were killed or injured between January 1 and the end of September, compared with 50 in the same period last year."

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the UK, over 600 million sentient animals have their mainly miserable lives prematurely cut short at the behest of our species.

I think a sense of proportion is needed.
So, let's just go around killing animals anywhere and everywhere, and get away with it?

None of us would allow people to get away with that kind of thing if it were a member of their family, would they? they would be locked up in prison for murder.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: "A total of 65 animals were killed or injured between January 1 and the end of September, compared with 50 in the same period last year." Meanwhile, elsewhere in the UK, over 600 million sentient animals have their mainly miserable lives prematurely cut short at the behest of our species. I think a sense of proportion is needed.[/p][/quote]So, let's just go around killing animals anywhere and everywhere, and get away with it? None of us would allow people to get away with that kind of thing if it were a member of their family, would they? they would be locked up in prison for murder. country bird

2:45pm Mon 21 Oct 13

solents says...

I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse.
Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness.

I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options.
A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible.
I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse. Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness. I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options. A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible. solents

2:47pm Mon 21 Oct 13

solents says...

123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse.
Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness.

I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options.
A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible.


SORRY - I accidentally missed out the quote from my original posting.
[quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse. Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness. I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options. A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible. SORRY - I accidentally missed out the quote from my original posting. solents

2:56pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

beesdee wrote:
I think a lot of drivers just don't give a toss about the animals whose home they're driving through. Numerous times I have seen people speeding past ponies at the side of the road, giving them just a couple of feet clearance. Even at 40mph this is dangerous. If they were children rather than ponies, would they do the same? If there's nothing coming towards you, use the other side of the road, and SLOW DOWN!
I completely agree.

Also, it's not just the ponies that have been killed, it is also, cows and sheep.
And this has nothing to do with wether an animals looks cute or not.
[quote][p][bold]beesdee[/bold] wrote: I think a lot of drivers just don't give a toss about the animals whose home they're driving through. Numerous times I have seen people speeding past ponies at the side of the road, giving them just a couple of feet clearance. Even at 40mph this is dangerous. If they were children rather than ponies, would they do the same? If there's nothing coming towards you, use the other side of the road, and SLOW DOWN![/p][/quote]I completely agree. Also, it's not just the ponies that have been killed, it is also, cows and sheep. And this has nothing to do with wether an animals looks cute or not. country bird

2:57pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Tone says...

country bird wrote:
Tone wrote:
Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK.

Let's only save the cute animals.
not another one!

You must be one of the increasing idiots that come to the NF then and cause disruption with your speeding and wreckless driving.
with that attitude you can stay out of NF as your not welcome.

These anomals arent neccessarily cute, but they are owned by indivuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents.

there is a place for everything in this life, and killing or harming animals in the NF should be a criminal offence.

And there is also humane ways of killing animals in the food chain, but smashing the hell out of them is not right.

So if a child runs out in front of the road, then we would be put in prison for murder, but it's ok for humans to do it to them thru stupid driving and speeding.??
Pointing out the irony of being upset about 65 animals but turning a blind eye to the 3 million cattle, 13 million pigs, 19 million sheep and lambs, 70 million fish and 800 million birds killed for the human food chain implies that I drive like a loon through the forest?

You must be one of those increasing idiots that comes to the forum and cause disruption with your wild extrapolation and reckless reasoning. Our posts aren't necessarily cute, but they are owned by individuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK. Let's only save the cute animals.[/p][/quote]not another one! You must be one of the increasing idiots that come to the NF then and cause disruption with your speeding and wreckless driving. with that attitude you can stay out of NF as your not welcome. These anomals arent neccessarily cute, but they are owned by indivuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents. there is a place for everything in this life, and killing or harming animals in the NF should be a criminal offence. And there is also humane ways of killing animals in the food chain, but smashing the hell out of them is not right. So if a child runs out in front of the road, then we would be put in prison for murder, but it's ok for humans to do it to them thru stupid driving and speeding.??[/p][/quote]Pointing out the irony of being upset about 65 animals but turning a blind eye to the 3 million cattle, 13 million pigs, 19 million sheep and lambs, 70 million fish and 800 million birds killed for the human food chain implies that I drive like a loon through the forest? You must be one of those increasing idiots that comes to the forum and cause disruption with your wild extrapolation and reckless reasoning. Our posts aren't necessarily cute, but they are owned by individuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents. Tone

3:00pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Franks Tank says...

country bird wrote:
Dchadder wrote:
Verderers please note. Cars, SUVs, trucks and Land Rovers are killing your New Forest ponies aren't they? How many New Forest ponies have ever been killed by a cyclist? None, I should think. More cyclists and less vehicles on New Forest roads would reduce your losses of innocent ponies wouldn't they? Do you agree Verderers? If I had ever cycled into the side of an unlit pony on a dark road I would have come off worst.
again, the cycling event is over and no one is moaning about the cyclists.

I agree to a certain extent. However, there are thousands of locals who live in NF who need their cars, so then that leaves people visiting......
Maybe, we should not allow people on "the outside" to visit the NF.

Maybe, us locals, should pull up the draw bridge and keep others out then.
Put up a high fence and lock the gates.
No one goes in and no one comes out... Ever!
I could live with that arrangement.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dchadder[/bold] wrote: Verderers please note. Cars, SUVs, trucks and Land Rovers are killing your New Forest ponies aren't they? How many New Forest ponies have ever been killed by a cyclist? None, I should think. More cyclists and less vehicles on New Forest roads would reduce your losses of innocent ponies wouldn't they? Do you agree Verderers? If I had ever cycled into the side of an unlit pony on a dark road I would have come off worst.[/p][/quote]again, the cycling event is over and no one is moaning about the cyclists. I agree to a certain extent. However, there are thousands of locals who live in NF who need their cars, so then that leaves people visiting...... Maybe, we should not allow people on "the outside" to visit the NF. Maybe, us locals, should pull up the draw bridge and keep others out then.[/p][/quote]Put up a high fence and lock the gates. No one goes in and no one comes out... Ever! I could live with that arrangement. Franks Tank

3:02pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

dolomiteman wrote:
Dramatic? NO.

It's simple folks, modern cars are made out of plastics and light metals, they are designed to crumple and absorb the impact there is no way anyone could say how fast the car was going just by looking at the pictures.
Was the pony stood in the road, was it visible , did it run out in front of the car, did the driver take evasive action, did he think it was a deer and was aiming for a cheap Dinner? all questions that can't be answered by looking at a picture.

The deaths will continue until something is done about the dark coloured animals straying onto unlit roads.
Oh come on...really !

Shame on the driver then, because if I see an animals standing in the road, I slow right down and go slowly around them, so that if they move I can go around them again at a sensible and safe distance. This hasnt happened has it.

Dark coloured animals...really!!

A car with that amount of damage was not doing 10/15/20 mph and driving carefuly, you would have to be stupid to think otherwise.

A VW Toureg is quite a strong car too, so there is more to this than meets the eye.

Good job it wasn't someone's children or family member, as it would be a whole new ball game wouldn't it.
[quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: Dramatic? NO. It's simple folks, modern cars are made out of plastics and light metals, they are designed to crumple and absorb the impact there is no way anyone could say how fast the car was going just by looking at the pictures. Was the pony stood in the road, was it visible , did it run out in front of the car, did the driver take evasive action, did he think it was a deer and was aiming for a cheap Dinner? all questions that can't be answered by looking at a picture. The deaths will continue until something is done about the dark coloured animals straying onto unlit roads.[/p][/quote]Oh come on...really ! Shame on the driver then, because if I see an animals standing in the road, I slow right down and go slowly around them, so that if they move I can go around them again at a sensible and safe distance. This hasnt happened has it. Dark coloured animals...really!! A car with that amount of damage was not doing 10/15/20 mph and driving carefuly, you would have to be stupid to think otherwise. A VW Toureg is quite a strong car too, so there is more to this than meets the eye. Good job it wasn't someone's children or family member, as it would be a whole new ball game wouldn't it. country bird

3:16pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

Tone wrote:
country bird wrote:
Tone wrote:
Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK.

Let's only save the cute animals.
not another one!

You must be one of the increasing idiots that come to the NF then and cause disruption with your speeding and wreckless driving.
with that attitude you can stay out of NF as your not welcome.

These anomals arent neccessarily cute, but they are owned by indivuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents.

there is a place for everything in this life, and killing or harming animals in the NF should be a criminal offence.

And there is also humane ways of killing animals in the food chain, but smashing the hell out of them is not right.

So if a child runs out in front of the road, then we would be put in prison for murder, but it's ok for humans to do it to them thru stupid driving and speeding.??
Pointing out the irony of being upset about 65 animals but turning a blind eye to the 3 million cattle, 13 million pigs, 19 million sheep and lambs, 70 million fish and 800 million birds killed for the human food chain implies that I drive like a loon through the forest?

You must be one of those increasing idiots that comes to the forum and cause disruption with your wild extrapolation and reckless reasoning. Our posts aren't necessarily cute, but they are owned by individuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents.
Yes I'm an idiot...
An idiot for caring, an idiot for wanting the ponies to wear flourescent collars, and an idiot for wanting to stand up to idiots who do this to these animals, and an idiot for being passionate about all the animals in the NF, an idiot for wanting to live in this beautiful part of the country, because we have to share it with idiots like you.

stay out " Tone "
[quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK. Let's only save the cute animals.[/p][/quote]not another one! You must be one of the increasing idiots that come to the NF then and cause disruption with your speeding and wreckless driving. with that attitude you can stay out of NF as your not welcome. These anomals arent neccessarily cute, but they are owned by indivuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents. there is a place for everything in this life, and killing or harming animals in the NF should be a criminal offence. And there is also humane ways of killing animals in the food chain, but smashing the hell out of them is not right. So if a child runs out in front of the road, then we would be put in prison for murder, but it's ok for humans to do it to them thru stupid driving and speeding.??[/p][/quote]Pointing out the irony of being upset about 65 animals but turning a blind eye to the 3 million cattle, 13 million pigs, 19 million sheep and lambs, 70 million fish and 800 million birds killed for the human food chain implies that I drive like a loon through the forest? You must be one of those increasing idiots that comes to the forum and cause disruption with your wild extrapolation and reckless reasoning. Our posts aren't necessarily cute, but they are owned by individuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents.[/p][/quote]Yes I'm an idiot... An idiot for caring, an idiot for wanting the ponies to wear flourescent collars, and an idiot for wanting to stand up to idiots who do this to these animals, and an idiot for being passionate about all the animals in the NF, an idiot for wanting to live in this beautiful part of the country, because we have to share it with idiots like you. stay out " Tone " country bird

3:23pm Mon 21 Oct 13

jonone says...

Well, in my experience, VW Toureg drivers are not noticed for courtesy on the roads and adherence to speed limits.

(Disclaimer: I only base this on the proportion of VW Toerag drivers I have witness, which is obviously not the entire number of this population. However, of those I *have* seen, a significant number reflect the comment made. This is not an attempt to assert that I am a perfect driver, however I do make every effort to be, but accept I am human and can, on occasions, err.)
Well, in my experience, VW Toureg drivers are not noticed for courtesy on the roads and adherence to speed limits. (Disclaimer: I only base this on the proportion of VW Toerag drivers I have witness, which is obviously not the entire number of this population. However, of those I *have* seen, a significant number reflect the comment made. This is not an attempt to assert that I am a perfect driver, however I do make every effort to be, but accept I am human and can, on occasions, err.) jonone

4:24pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Niel says...

With the increasing numbers of animals being turned out, uncontrolled growth in deer numbers and more outsiders buying homes in and around the forest it's no surprise that this is still happening. In the past before the 40 limit I traveled across the forest at 60 plus mph day and night, like 20 mph limit's in inappropriate town locations the 40 limit makes drivers 'switch-off', the belief that travelling at 40 means you, and those around you, are safe... The truth is it doesn't!
With the increasing numbers of animals being turned out, uncontrolled growth in deer numbers and more outsiders buying homes in and around the forest it's no surprise that this is still happening. In the past before the 40 limit I traveled across the forest at 60 plus mph day and night, like 20 mph limit's in inappropriate town locations the 40 limit makes drivers 'switch-off', the belief that travelling at 40 means you, and those around you, are safe... The truth is it doesn't! Niel

5:54pm Mon 21 Oct 13

freefinker says...

country bird wrote:
freefinker wrote:
"A total of 65 animals were killed or injured between January 1 and the end of September, compared with 50 in the same period last year."

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the UK, over 600 million sentient animals have their mainly miserable lives prematurely cut short at the behest of our species.

I think a sense of proportion is needed.
So, let's just go around killing animals anywhere and everywhere, and get away with it?

None of us would allow people to get away with that kind of thing if it were a member of their family, would they? they would be locked up in prison for murder.
.. seems you totally and utterly miss my point.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: "A total of 65 animals were killed or injured between January 1 and the end of September, compared with 50 in the same period last year." Meanwhile, elsewhere in the UK, over 600 million sentient animals have their mainly miserable lives prematurely cut short at the behest of our species. I think a sense of proportion is needed.[/p][/quote]So, let's just go around killing animals anywhere and everywhere, and get away with it? None of us would allow people to get away with that kind of thing if it were a member of their family, would they? they would be locked up in prison for murder.[/p][/quote].. seems you totally and utterly miss my point. freefinker

6:23pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Used to live in the forest (even when it was 60mph) I once witnessed a horse stood in the road and the car coming the opposite was just smashed into the poor animal. The driver just didn't see it with our lights slightly blinding him. I hated him for hitting that horse but he has had to live with it.
I wish no horses, donkeys, cows, pigs or any other animals got killed, it's so sad but it's also a very sad fact that won't change in the forest.

On another note, I saw here in norway an illuminous spray you can add to the animals (but don't think it last longer than a couple of weeks)
Used to live in the forest (even when it was 60mph) I once witnessed a horse stood in the road and the car coming the opposite was just smashed into the poor animal. The driver just didn't see it with our lights slightly blinding him. I hated him for hitting that horse but he has had to live with it. I wish no horses, donkeys, cows, pigs or any other animals got killed, it's so sad but it's also a very sad fact that won't change in the forest. On another note, I saw here in norway an illuminous spray you can add to the animals (but don't think it last longer than a couple of weeks) Norwegian Saint

6:41pm Mon 21 Oct 13

southamptonadi says...

It is sad that a young girls pet horse has died.

I drive in scotland a lot, in the highlands and islands and there is a lot of areas that have loose roaming animals with national speed limits, after talking with locals every now and again they hardly hear of any animal fatalities and are shocked when we tell them about the forest, they are even more shocked when we tell them its only a 40 limit.

I also find it slightly ironic that people are screaming for lower speed around horses and are cursing people who pass too close but no one cares when a car goes sixty and a foot away from my bicycle.

It really is about driving standards being very very poor. yes accidents happen but too many accidents even happen in a 40mph area such as the NF
It is sad that a young girls pet horse has died. I drive in scotland a lot, in the highlands and islands and there is a lot of areas that have loose roaming animals with national speed limits, after talking with locals every now and again they hardly hear of any animal fatalities and are shocked when we tell them about the forest, they are even more shocked when we tell them its only a 40 limit. I also find it slightly ironic that people are screaming for lower speed around horses and are cursing people who pass too close but no one cares when a car goes sixty and a foot away from my bicycle. It really is about driving standards being very very poor. yes accidents happen but too many accidents even happen in a 40mph area such as the NF southamptonadi

6:46pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Crystalblue says...

How I agree with most of the posts i.e. That VW must have been travelling more than 40mph to have done so much damage!! I feel so sad for the little girl who owned the pony, my thoughts are with her, I hope the pony didn't suffer too much.
How I agree with most of the posts i.e. That VW must have been travelling more than 40mph to have done so much damage!! I feel so sad for the little girl who owned the pony, my thoughts are with her, I hope the pony didn't suffer too much. Crystalblue

6:49pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony.
Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter.
Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly.

XX
[quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony. Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter. Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly. XX country bird

6:50pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Crystalblue says...

123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
I am so sad to hear of your little girl's pony being killed by yet another speeding driver.
[quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]I am so sad to hear of your little girl's pony being killed by yet another speeding driver. Crystalblue

6:52pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
All the time you have idiots in charge of lethal weapons, this will happen. The only sensible answer is to fence the animals in, keep them off of the roads.
this is their home,
far better to keep people who do not live or have business in NF out.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: All the time you have idiots in charge of lethal weapons, this will happen. The only sensible answer is to fence the animals in, keep them off of the roads.[/p][/quote]this is their home, far better to keep people who do not live or have business in NF out. country bird

7:01pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

solents wrote:
I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse.
Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness.

I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options.
A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible.
Even though reflective collars will help and agree all should have them, BUT stupid speeding drivers will always be around.

That stretch of road, whichever direction your coming from is a straight road which runs for at least a mile or more, so anyone driving at the proper speed would deffinately see a pony or other animal.
[quote][p][bold]solents[/bold] wrote: I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse. Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness. I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options. A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible.[/p][/quote]Even though reflective collars will help and agree all should have them, BUT stupid speeding drivers will always be around. That stretch of road, whichever direction your coming from is a straight road which runs for at least a mile or more, so anyone driving at the proper speed would deffinately see a pony or other animal. country bird

7:32pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Dchadder wrote:
Verderers please note. Cars, SUVs, trucks and Land Rovers are killing your New Forest ponies aren't they? How many New Forest ponies have ever been killed by a cyclist? None, I should think. More cyclists and less vehicles on New Forest roads would reduce your losses of innocent ponies wouldn't they? Do you agree Verderers? If I had ever cycled into the side of an unlit pony on a dark road I would have come off worst.
Here here.
[quote][p][bold]Dchadder[/bold] wrote: Verderers please note. Cars, SUVs, trucks and Land Rovers are killing your New Forest ponies aren't they? How many New Forest ponies have ever been killed by a cyclist? None, I should think. More cyclists and less vehicles on New Forest roads would reduce your losses of innocent ponies wouldn't they? Do you agree Verderers? If I had ever cycled into the side of an unlit pony on a dark road I would have come off worst.[/p][/quote]Here here. Ginger_cyclist

7:34pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Not saying this is the case here but mobile phones can also be a cause. I nearly had a head on crash with another car with a guy on the phone. Drivers think of a straight road... time to answer that text or call that friend.
Not saying this is the case here but mobile phones can also be a cause. I nearly had a head on crash with another car with a guy on the phone. Drivers think of a straight road... time to answer that text or call that friend. Norwegian Saint

7:38pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Tone wrote:
country bird wrote:
Tone wrote:
Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK.

Let's only save the cute animals.
not another one!

You must be one of the increasing idiots that come to the NF then and cause disruption with your speeding and wreckless driving.
with that attitude you can stay out of NF as your not welcome.

These anomals arent neccessarily cute, but they are owned by indivuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents.

there is a place for everything in this life, and killing or harming animals in the NF should be a criminal offence.

And there is also humane ways of killing animals in the food chain, but smashing the hell out of them is not right.

So if a child runs out in front of the road, then we would be put in prison for murder, but it's ok for humans to do it to them thru stupid driving and speeding.??
Pointing out the irony of being upset about 65 animals but turning a blind eye to the 3 million cattle, 13 million pigs, 19 million sheep and lambs, 70 million fish and 800 million birds killed for the human food chain implies that I drive like a loon through the forest?

You must be one of those increasing idiots that comes to the forum and cause disruption with your wild extrapolation and reckless reasoning. Our posts aren't necessarily cute, but they are owned by individuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents.
Not everyone can or wants to live on baked cauliflower for the rest of their lives.
[quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: Big uproar about ponies, yet we kill loads of cows each day for burgers. But that's deliberate so that's OK. Let's only save the cute animals.[/p][/quote]not another one! You must be one of the increasing idiots that come to the NF then and cause disruption with your speeding and wreckless driving. with that attitude you can stay out of NF as your not welcome. These anomals arent neccessarily cute, but they are owned by indivuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents. there is a place for everything in this life, and killing or harming animals in the NF should be a criminal offence. And there is also humane ways of killing animals in the food chain, but smashing the hell out of them is not right. So if a child runs out in front of the road, then we would be put in prison for murder, but it's ok for humans to do it to them thru stupid driving and speeding.??[/p][/quote]Pointing out the irony of being upset about 65 animals but turning a blind eye to the 3 million cattle, 13 million pigs, 19 million sheep and lambs, 70 million fish and 800 million birds killed for the human food chain implies that I drive like a loon through the forest? You must be one of those increasing idiots that comes to the forum and cause disruption with your wild extrapolation and reckless reasoning. Our posts aren't necessarily cute, but they are owned by individuals who put them here to live a wonderful life, then idiots come along and ruin it for them and the residents.[/p][/quote]Not everyone can or wants to live on baked cauliflower for the rest of their lives. Ginger_cyclist

7:46pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Not saying this is the case here but mobile phones can also be a cause. I nearly had a head on crash with another car with a guy on the phone. Drivers think of a straight road... time to answer that text or call that friend.
I've caught people taking pictures of me while driving before when I've gotten home and looked at footage from my rear facing bike camera, caught a guy using the phone while he was driving 7.5 Tonnes of truck along castle way last week too.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Not saying this is the case here but mobile phones can also be a cause. I nearly had a head on crash with another car with a guy on the phone. Drivers think of a straight road... time to answer that text or call that friend.[/p][/quote]I've caught people taking pictures of me while driving before when I've gotten home and looked at footage from my rear facing bike camera, caught a guy using the phone while he was driving 7.5 Tonnes of truck along castle way last week too. Ginger_cyclist

8:15pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Sir Ad E Noid says...

country bird wrote:
solents wrote:
I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse.
Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness.

I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options.
A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible.
Even though reflective collars will help and agree all should have them, BUT stupid speeding drivers will always be around.

That stretch of road, whichever direction your coming from is a straight road which runs for at least a mile or more, so anyone driving at the proper speed would deffinately see a pony or other animal.
Complete garbage. Having travelled that route in the day/night and in rain/snow/sun, many times, it is very easy to miss seeing an animal, especially at night and especially when a car (normally with badly adjusted lights) comes the other way. Reflective collars are a big help, as are correctly adjusted lights and an awareness of the brainless antics of horses. Expect the unexpected.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solents[/bold] wrote: I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse. Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness. I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options. A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible.[/p][/quote]Even though reflective collars will help and agree all should have them, BUT stupid speeding drivers will always be around. That stretch of road, whichever direction your coming from is a straight road which runs for at least a mile or more, so anyone driving at the proper speed would deffinately see a pony or other animal.[/p][/quote]Complete garbage. Having travelled that route in the day/night and in rain/snow/sun, many times, it is very easy to miss seeing an animal, especially at night and especially when a car (normally with badly adjusted lights) comes the other way. Reflective collars are a big help, as are correctly adjusted lights and an awareness of the brainless antics of horses. Expect the unexpected. Sir Ad E Noid

8:21pm Mon 21 Oct 13

******AC*DEESEE******* says...

country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony.
Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter.
Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly.

XX
Let's just hope she is insured, the car looks exspensive.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony. Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter. Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly. XX[/p][/quote]Let's just hope she is insured, the car looks exspensive. ******AC*DEESEE*******

8:29pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Sir Ad E Noid says...

country bird wrote:
I'M DISGUSTED.
Honestly, I feel sick to the stomach with hearing about the amount of ponies and cows etc that are being killed in NF.

This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony.

There were clearly not doing 40. If theres a small chance they were doing 40 then they were clearly not slowing down as they approached the pony or this wouldn't have happened.

The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it.
This driver is selfish and arrogant and disrespectful towards the animals and the locals. stay away from this beauty spot.

I live in NF and am fed up with the people who think it's ok to speed through this idylic place.

Yes I agree, I think all animals in NF should have reflective collars of some sort, and when they round them up annually or before, they should fit them all with these and check them regularly to make sure they are still on them. It's for the safety of these animals and that should be a priority.

I also think that the whole of the NF should be a 30 MPH zone, as clearly people are not respectful of animals or locals.

end of rant,
Sorry, wrong again, and you are one to ignore. Why is it clear that this vehicle was doing over 40 MPH? Were you there? The extremities of cars are not that strong as the strength of the vehicle is in the chassis, rails and the sum of all parts. Concentrating the collision on the corner of the wing, I guess will cause this peel back that you can see. Hitting a horse at 40 MPH is a fair old collision, I would be surprised if it was more than that, but I would only be guessing!
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: I'M DISGUSTED. Honestly, I feel sick to the stomach with hearing about the amount of ponies and cows etc that are being killed in NF. This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony. There were clearly not doing 40. If theres a small chance they were doing 40 then they were clearly not slowing down as they approached the pony or this wouldn't have happened. The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it. This driver is selfish and arrogant and disrespectful towards the animals and the locals. stay away from this beauty spot. I live in NF and am fed up with the people who think it's ok to speed through this idylic place. Yes I agree, I think all animals in NF should have reflective collars of some sort, and when they round them up annually or before, they should fit them all with these and check them regularly to make sure they are still on them. It's for the safety of these animals and that should be a priority. I also think that the whole of the NF should be a 30 MPH zone, as clearly people are not respectful of animals or locals. end of rant,[/p][/quote]Sorry, wrong again, and you are one to ignore. Why is it clear that this vehicle was doing over 40 MPH? Were you there? The extremities of cars are not that strong as the strength of the vehicle is in the chassis, rails and the sum of all parts. Concentrating the collision on the corner of the wing, I guess will cause this peel back that you can see. Hitting a horse at 40 MPH is a fair old collision, I would be surprised if it was more than that, but I would only be guessing! Sir Ad E Noid

8:31pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Tone says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Not saying this is the case here but mobile phones can also be a cause. I nearly had a head on crash with another car with a guy on the phone. Drivers think of a straight road... time to answer that text or call that friend.
I've caught people taking pictures of me while driving before when I've gotten home and looked at footage from my rear facing bike camera, caught a guy using the phone while he was driving 7.5 Tonnes of truck along castle way last week too.
That was me taking the pictures, your lycra clad posterior is going to be a new internet meme. The truck was carrying the labels for it.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Not saying this is the case here but mobile phones can also be a cause. I nearly had a head on crash with another car with a guy on the phone. Drivers think of a straight road... time to answer that text or call that friend.[/p][/quote]I've caught people taking pictures of me while driving before when I've gotten home and looked at footage from my rear facing bike camera, caught a guy using the phone while he was driving 7.5 Tonnes of truck along castle way last week too.[/p][/quote]That was me taking the pictures, your lycra clad posterior is going to be a new internet meme. The truck was carrying the labels for it. Tone

8:35pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

Tone wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Not saying this is the case here but mobile phones can also be a cause. I nearly had a head on crash with another car with a guy on the phone. Drivers think of a straight road... time to answer that text or call that friend.
I've caught people taking pictures of me while driving before when I've gotten home and looked at footage from my rear facing bike camera, caught a guy using the phone while he was driving 7.5 Tonnes of truck along castle way last week too.
That was me taking the pictures, your lycra clad posterior is going to be a new internet meme. The truck was carrying the labels for it.
lol Too bad for you I don't wear lycra as a top layer.
[quote][p][bold]Tone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Not saying this is the case here but mobile phones can also be a cause. I nearly had a head on crash with another car with a guy on the phone. Drivers think of a straight road... time to answer that text or call that friend.[/p][/quote]I've caught people taking pictures of me while driving before when I've gotten home and looked at footage from my rear facing bike camera, caught a guy using the phone while he was driving 7.5 Tonnes of truck along castle way last week too.[/p][/quote]That was me taking the pictures, your lycra clad posterior is going to be a new internet meme. The truck was carrying the labels for it.[/p][/quote]lol Too bad for you I don't wear lycra as a top layer. Ginger_cyclist

9:07pm Mon 21 Oct 13

123Dexter says...

country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony.
Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter.
Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly.

XX
Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony. Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter. Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly. XX[/p][/quote]Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters. 123Dexter

9:51pm Mon 21 Oct 13

sj1961 says...

what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.
what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way. sj1961

10:01pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

123Dexter wrote:
country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony.
Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter.
Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly.

XX
Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters.
Oh my god that's so sad and upsetting for all of you.

Message to all. - DO NOT SPEED THROUGH ANY PART OF NEW FOREST, if you want to drive fast goto a designated race track.

And all of you putting messages on here about its ponies fault for standing in the rd etc etc, you should be ashamed.

It's about time some of you added a message to these owners letting them know you care and sorry to hear about this.
[quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony. Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter. Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly. XX[/p][/quote]Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters.[/p][/quote]Oh my god that's so sad and upsetting for all of you. Message to all. - DO NOT SPEED THROUGH ANY PART OF NEW FOREST, if you want to drive fast goto a designated race track. And all of you putting messages on here about its ponies fault for standing in the rd etc etc, you should be ashamed. It's about time some of you added a message to these owners letting them know you care and sorry to hear about this. country bird

10:06pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
country bird wrote:
solents wrote:
I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse.
Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness.

I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options.
A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible.
Even though reflective collars will help and agree all should have them, BUT stupid speeding drivers will always be around.

That stretch of road, whichever direction your coming from is a straight road which runs for at least a mile or more, so anyone driving at the proper speed would deffinately see a pony or other animal.
Complete garbage. Having travelled that route in the day/night and in rain/snow/sun, many times, it is very easy to miss seeing an animal, especially at night and especially when a car (normally with badly adjusted lights) comes the other way. Reflective collars are a big help, as are correctly adjusted lights and an awareness of the brainless antics of horses. Expect the unexpected.
No it isn't garbage. I've travelled the route hundreds of times and never killed or injured an animal there.

I have witnessed tons of people speeding up and down there though as they are completely arrogant towards the animals and locals.

If you cannot control your car, your speed or your need to text or call people in NFC then don't come through here, us residents have had enough.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solents[/bold] wrote: I'm sure that we are genuinely saddened to hear this and we hope that your daughter hasn't been too traumatised by the death of her horse. Can I ask though out of interest and leading from my previous question before, was the horse wearing any sort of reflective material and did this dreadful accident occur during darkness. I believe that more can be done to make the horses more visible as slowing down cars, banning them altogether, fencing in the horses are not going to be viable options. A horse at night is very difficult to see and there must be a way to make them more visible.[/p][/quote]Even though reflective collars will help and agree all should have them, BUT stupid speeding drivers will always be around. That stretch of road, whichever direction your coming from is a straight road which runs for at least a mile or more, so anyone driving at the proper speed would deffinately see a pony or other animal.[/p][/quote]Complete garbage. Having travelled that route in the day/night and in rain/snow/sun, many times, it is very easy to miss seeing an animal, especially at night and especially when a car (normally with badly adjusted lights) comes the other way. Reflective collars are a big help, as are correctly adjusted lights and an awareness of the brainless antics of horses. Expect the unexpected.[/p][/quote]No it isn't garbage. I've travelled the route hundreds of times and never killed or injured an animal there. I have witnessed tons of people speeding up and down there though as they are completely arrogant towards the animals and locals. If you cannot control your car, your speed or your need to text or call people in NFC then don't come through here, us residents have had enough. country bird

10:09pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

I wonder what witnesses if any will tell of this drivers driving
I wonder what investigators will find out about speed
I wonder if their car computer will shed some light
Or maybe their mobile phones or toxicology screening etc
Look forward to hearing an update
I wonder what witnesses if any will tell of this drivers driving I wonder what investigators will find out about speed I wonder if their car computer will shed some light Or maybe their mobile phones or toxicology screening etc Look forward to hearing an update country bird

10:12pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

sj1961 wrote:
what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.
There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders
[quote][p][bold]sj1961[/bold] wrote: what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.[/p][/quote]There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders country bird

10:18pm Mon 21 Oct 13

country bird says...

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
country bird wrote:
I'M DISGUSTED.
Honestly, I feel sick to the stomach with hearing about the amount of ponies and cows etc that are being killed in NF.

This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony.

There were clearly not doing 40. If theres a small chance they were doing 40 then they were clearly not slowing down as they approached the pony or this wouldn't have happened.

The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it.
This driver is selfish and arrogant and disrespectful towards the animals and the locals. stay away from this beauty spot.

I live in NF and am fed up with the people who think it's ok to speed through this idylic place.

Yes I agree, I think all animals in NF should have reflective collars of some sort, and when they round them up annually or before, they should fit them all with these and check them regularly to make sure they are still on them. It's for the safety of these animals and that should be a priority.

I also think that the whole of the NF should be a 30 MPH zone, as clearly people are not respectful of animals or locals.

end of rant,
Sorry, wrong again, and you are one to ignore. Why is it clear that this vehicle was doing over 40 MPH? Were you there? The extremities of cars are not that strong as the strength of the vehicle is in the chassis, rails and the sum of all parts. Concentrating the collision on the corner of the wing, I guess will cause this peel back that you can see. Hitting a horse at 40 MPH is a fair old collision, I would be surprised if it was more than that, but I would only be guessing!
What...and you think your the expert? Touché
[quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: I'M DISGUSTED. Honestly, I feel sick to the stomach with hearing about the amount of ponies and cows etc that are being killed in NF. This stretch of road is 40 but clearly it's a straight clear rd (as i know this spot), and there is absolutely no way on earth you can miss a pony. There were clearly not doing 40. If theres a small chance they were doing 40 then they were clearly not slowing down as they approached the pony or this wouldn't have happened. The driver is completely at fault and I'm very angry about it. This driver is selfish and arrogant and disrespectful towards the animals and the locals. stay away from this beauty spot. I live in NF and am fed up with the people who think it's ok to speed through this idylic place. Yes I agree, I think all animals in NF should have reflective collars of some sort, and when they round them up annually or before, they should fit them all with these and check them regularly to make sure they are still on them. It's for the safety of these animals and that should be a priority. I also think that the whole of the NF should be a 30 MPH zone, as clearly people are not respectful of animals or locals. end of rant,[/p][/quote]Sorry, wrong again, and you are one to ignore. Why is it clear that this vehicle was doing over 40 MPH? Were you there? The extremities of cars are not that strong as the strength of the vehicle is in the chassis, rails and the sum of all parts. Concentrating the collision on the corner of the wing, I guess will cause this peel back that you can see. Hitting a horse at 40 MPH is a fair old collision, I would be surprised if it was more than that, but I would only be guessing![/p][/quote]What...and you think your the expert? Touché country bird

10:44pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Someone_New says...

country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony.
Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter.
Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly.

XX
Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters.
Oh my god that's so sad and upsetting for all of you.

Message to all. - DO NOT SPEED THROUGH ANY PART OF NEW FOREST, if you want to drive fast goto a designated race track.

And all of you putting messages on here about its ponies fault for standing in the rd etc etc, you should be ashamed.

It's about time some of you added a message to these owners letting them know you care and sorry to hear about this.
It is sad a pony was killed, yes - although note that it was not killed in the incident but had to be put down according to the above (not made clear in the DE report, which is very misleading).

However, "country bird", your comments about "how would you feel if it was your child" suggest you equate equine life to be at least as important as human life, and probably more important than it. What do you say to this? I hope you will be honest, and not politically correct.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony. Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter. Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly. XX[/p][/quote]Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters.[/p][/quote]Oh my god that's so sad and upsetting for all of you. Message to all. - DO NOT SPEED THROUGH ANY PART OF NEW FOREST, if you want to drive fast goto a designated race track. And all of you putting messages on here about its ponies fault for standing in the rd etc etc, you should be ashamed. It's about time some of you added a message to these owners letting them know you care and sorry to hear about this.[/p][/quote]It is sad a pony was killed, yes - although note that it was not killed in the incident but had to be put down according to the above (not made clear in the DE report, which is very misleading). However, "country bird", your comments about "how would you feel if it was your child" suggest you equate equine life to be at least as important as human life, and probably more important than it. What do you say to this? I hope you will be honest, and not politically correct. Someone_New

11:07pm Mon 21 Oct 13

dolomiteman says...

country bird wrote:
sj1961 wrote:
what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.
There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders
Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sj1961[/bold] wrote: what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.[/p][/quote]There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders[/p][/quote]Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents. dolomiteman

11:33pm Mon 21 Oct 13

Ginger_cyclist says...

dolomiteman wrote:
country bird wrote:
sj1961 wrote:
what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.
There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders
Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents.
They probably think they know the roads, they may know the road surface but they never know they may come across at any time, and those who don't live there and break the speed limits, think they can use the forest as a race track to get a thrill out of going fast because they can't do so in the towns and cities but think they can get away with it out in the sticks.
[quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sj1961[/bold] wrote: what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.[/p][/quote]There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders[/p][/quote]Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents.[/p][/quote]They probably think they know the roads, they may know the road surface but they never know they may come across at any time, and those who don't live there and break the speed limits, think they can use the forest as a race track to get a thrill out of going fast because they can't do so in the towns and cities but think they can get away with it out in the sticks. Ginger_cyclist

3:19am Tue 22 Oct 13

Someone_New says...

dolomiteman wrote:
country bird wrote:
sj1961 wrote:
what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.
There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders
Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents.
Interesting... and nothing in the story says the driver of the car pictured wasn't a new forest resident. But of course that wouldn't fit in with the picture the verderers are clearly trying to paint, they've really spun this story if the comment above about the pony having to be put down is to be believed.

And I think country bird likes ponies so much that she is in fact guilty of talking a load of old pony and trap.
[quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sj1961[/bold] wrote: what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.[/p][/quote]There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders[/p][/quote]Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents.[/p][/quote]Interesting... and nothing in the story says the driver of the car pictured wasn't a new forest resident. But of course that wouldn't fit in with the picture the verderers are clearly trying to paint, they've really spun this story if the comment above about the pony having to be put down is to be believed. And I think country bird likes ponies so much that she is in fact guilty of talking a load of old pony and trap. Someone_New

4:01am Tue 22 Oct 13

123Dexter says...

Someone_New wrote:
country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony.
Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter.
Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly.

XX
Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters.
Oh my god that's so sad and upsetting for all of you.

Message to all. - DO NOT SPEED THROUGH ANY PART OF NEW FOREST, if you want to drive fast goto a designated race track.

And all of you putting messages on here about its ponies fault for standing in the rd etc etc, you should be ashamed.

It's about time some of you added a message to these owners letting them know you care and sorry to hear about this.
It is sad a pony was killed, yes - although note that it was not killed in the incident but had to be put down according to the above (not made clear in the DE report, which is very misleading).

However, "country bird", your comments about "how would you feel if it was your child" suggest you equate equine life to be at least as important as human life, and probably more important than it. What do you say to this? I hope you will be honest, and not politically correct.
If you read my comment properly you will see that I said my son lost a pony after a separate hit and run incident and that pony had to be PTS, not this one.
[quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony. Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter. Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly. XX[/p][/quote]Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters.[/p][/quote]Oh my god that's so sad and upsetting for all of you. Message to all. - DO NOT SPEED THROUGH ANY PART OF NEW FOREST, if you want to drive fast goto a designated race track. And all of you putting messages on here about its ponies fault for standing in the rd etc etc, you should be ashamed. It's about time some of you added a message to these owners letting them know you care and sorry to hear about this.[/p][/quote]It is sad a pony was killed, yes - although note that it was not killed in the incident but had to be put down according to the above (not made clear in the DE report, which is very misleading). However, "country bird", your comments about "how would you feel if it was your child" suggest you equate equine life to be at least as important as human life, and probably more important than it. What do you say to this? I hope you will be honest, and not politically correct.[/p][/quote]If you read my comment properly you will see that I said my son lost a pony after a separate hit and run incident and that pony had to be PTS, not this one. 123Dexter

6:34am Tue 22 Oct 13

country bird says...

Someone_New wrote:
dolomiteman wrote:
country bird wrote:
sj1961 wrote:
what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.
There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders
Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents.
Interesting... and nothing in the story says the driver of the car pictured wasn't a new forest resident. But of course that wouldn't fit in with the picture the verderers are clearly trying to paint, they've really spun this story if the comment above about the pony having to be put down is to be believed.

And I think country bird likes ponies so much that she is in fact guilty of talking a load of old pony and trap.
Why would you doubt anyone who told us their point had to be put to sleep?
I find your comment disrespectful.
I like all animals.
Crawl back to the gutter you came from.
[quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sj1961[/bold] wrote: what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.[/p][/quote]There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders[/p][/quote]Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents.[/p][/quote]Interesting... and nothing in the story says the driver of the car pictured wasn't a new forest resident. But of course that wouldn't fit in with the picture the verderers are clearly trying to paint, they've really spun this story if the comment above about the pony having to be put down is to be believed. And I think country bird likes ponies so much that she is in fact guilty of talking a load of old pony and trap.[/p][/quote]Why would you doubt anyone who told us their point had to be put to sleep? I find your comment disrespectful. I like all animals. Crawl back to the gutter you came from. country bird

6:35am Tue 22 Oct 13

country bird says...

country bird wrote:
Someone_New wrote:
dolomiteman wrote:
country bird wrote:
sj1961 wrote:
what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.
There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders
Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents.
Interesting... and nothing in the story says the driver of the car pictured wasn't a new forest resident. But of course that wouldn't fit in with the picture the verderers are clearly trying to paint, they've really spun this story if the comment above about the pony having to be put down is to be believed.

And I think country bird likes ponies so much that she is in fact guilty of talking a load of old pony and trap.
Why would you doubt anyone who told us their point had to be put to sleep?
I find your comment disrespectful.
I like all animals.
Crawl back to the gutter you came from.
"Their pony not point
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dolomiteman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sj1961[/bold] wrote: what's the point having signs saying animals on road slow down' 40 mph. I drive through the forest at weekends and drivers overtake doing 60/70. when I sound my horn or flash them' they brake hard in front of you stick two fingers up and they speed off again. Forest signs should read, 40 break the speed rule and you will be caught with a £1,000 fine, and 6 points on your licence. this will slow the gits down. but then again there are no police anywhere in the forest to catch speeders. so to them it's scalextric all the way.[/p][/quote]There are things in the pipeline..... Watch this space speeders[/p][/quote]Yet last year when hants police done a weekend of speed enforcement in the forest over 30% of those stopped for speeding were new forest residents.[/p][/quote]Interesting... and nothing in the story says the driver of the car pictured wasn't a new forest resident. But of course that wouldn't fit in with the picture the verderers are clearly trying to paint, they've really spun this story if the comment above about the pony having to be put down is to be believed. And I think country bird likes ponies so much that she is in fact guilty of talking a load of old pony and trap.[/p][/quote]Why would you doubt anyone who told us their point had to be put to sleep? I find your comment disrespectful. I like all animals. Crawl back to the gutter you came from.[/p][/quote]"Their pony not point country bird

6:44am Tue 22 Oct 13

country bird says...

Someone_New wrote:
country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony.
Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter.
Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly.

XX
Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters.
Oh my god that's so sad and upsetting for all of you.

Message to all. - DO NOT SPEED THROUGH ANY PART OF NEW FOREST, if you want to drive fast goto a designated race track.

And all of you putting messages on here about its ponies fault for standing in the rd etc etc, you should be ashamed.

It's about time some of you added a message to these owners letting them know you care and sorry to hear about this.
It is sad a pony was killed, yes - although note that it was not killed in the incident but had to be put down according to the above (not made clear in the DE report, which is very misleading).

However, "country bird", your comments about "how would you feel if it was your child" suggest you equate equine life to be at least as important as human life, and probably more important than it. What do you say to this? I hope you will be honest, and not politically correct.
Tbh, the damage to the car on the inside under the bonnet is also mangled, and theyre solid under the bonnet. to do that much damage tells me that the pony did not get a tap on the leg here people.

I do not own a pony, nor do I favour them over another animal and nor did I mention they are more important or more than important than humans.

The point is a pony was minding its own business and someone has prematurely taken its life.

You people that comment negatively really don't have a heart.

Lets see what further news and evidence presents itself shall we.
[quote][p][bold]Someone_New[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony. Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter. Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly. XX[/p][/quote]Thank you. Such a shame, luckily my daughter is too young to truly understand, however my son does understand as he lost one of his fillies about a month ago due to a hit and run driver. The pony was left with a broken leg and had to be PTS by the agisters.[/p][/quote]Oh my god that's so sad and upsetting for all of you. Message to all. - DO NOT SPEED THROUGH ANY PART OF NEW FOREST, if you want to drive fast goto a designated race track. And all of you putting messages on here about its ponies fault for standing in the rd etc etc, you should be ashamed. It's about time some of you added a message to these owners letting them know you care and sorry to hear about this.[/p][/quote]It is sad a pony was killed, yes - although note that it was not killed in the incident but had to be put down according to the above (not made clear in the DE report, which is very misleading). However, "country bird", your comments about "how would you feel if it was your child" suggest you equate equine life to be at least as important as human life, and probably more important than it. What do you say to this? I hope you will be honest, and not politically correct.[/p][/quote]Tbh, the damage to the car on the inside under the bonnet is also mangled, and theyre solid under the bonnet. to do that much damage tells me that the pony did not get a tap on the leg here people. I do not own a pony, nor do I favour them over another animal and nor did I mention they are more important or more than important than humans. The point is a pony was minding its own business and someone has prematurely taken its life. You people that comment negatively really don't have a heart. Lets see what further news and evidence presents itself shall we. country bird

8:14am Tue 22 Oct 13

Tone says...

The trouble is that it's difficult to separate expressing condolence to the pony owner's family over what is a genuinely horrific thing to have happen - especially considering the effect on their children - and winding up the little hitler egocentric that is country girl - who really doesn't realise the damage that she is doing to the image of new forest residents with her overinflated sense of self importance.
The trouble is that it's difficult to separate expressing condolence to the pony owner's family over what is a genuinely horrific thing to have happen - especially considering the effect on their children - and winding up the little hitler egocentric that is country girl - who really doesn't realise the damage that she is doing to the image of new forest residents with her overinflated sense of self importance. Tone

9:07am Tue 22 Oct 13

camerajuan says...

Still agree with the earlier post regarding Cars vs Bikes. Drivers criticized cyclists so much and even protested against them riding through here just in case they hurt a pony. Then an article like this appears and suddenly nobody wants to mention that.

Cars kill ponies. Cyclists slam into ponies and hit the deck, bruised and scraped. Less cars in NF = Less Pony Death. Very simple, not having a go at anyone, just a very simple, basic, logical, evidence based statement.
Still agree with the earlier post regarding Cars vs Bikes. Drivers criticized cyclists so much and even protested against them riding through here just in case they hurt a pony. Then an article like this appears and suddenly nobody wants to mention that. Cars kill ponies. Cyclists slam into ponies and hit the deck, bruised and scraped. Less cars in NF = Less Pony Death. Very simple, not having a go at anyone, just a very simple, basic, logical, evidence based statement. camerajuan

10:57am Tue 22 Oct 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

country bird wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
All the time you have idiots in charge of lethal weapons, this will happen. The only sensible answer is to fence the animals in, keep them off of the roads.
this is their home,
far better to keep people who do not live or have business in NF out.
That is nonsense, how many are actually driving through the Forest to get to somewhere else. It isn't rocket science to work out where the majority of accidents are happening and to take suitable precautions, the problem is not just the fault of drivers, other people have to take responsibility, if I owned a pony it wouldn't be allowed anywhere near an unfenced, main road. I don't drive at all, but observation of people that do is quite an eye opener, put the most placid, normal human being behind the wheel of a car and they become snarling, abusive, whinging monsters, the transformation can be atonishing. Some of you need to take a look at yourself when you are out and about in your cars and remember your responsibilities and may be you may never be the victim of an "accident", but of course, there is always that other idiot.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: All the time you have idiots in charge of lethal weapons, this will happen. The only sensible answer is to fence the animals in, keep them off of the roads.[/p][/quote]this is their home, far better to keep people who do not live or have business in NF out.[/p][/quote]That is nonsense, how many are actually driving through the Forest to get to somewhere else. It isn't rocket science to work out where the majority of accidents are happening and to take suitable precautions, the problem is not just the fault of drivers, other people have to take responsibility, if I owned a pony it wouldn't be allowed anywhere near an unfenced, main road. I don't drive at all, but observation of people that do is quite an eye opener, put the most placid, normal human being behind the wheel of a car and they become snarling, abusive, whinging monsters, the transformation can be atonishing. Some of you need to take a look at yourself when you are out and about in your cars and remember your responsibilities and may be you may never be the victim of an "accident", but of course, there is always that other idiot. OSPREYSAINT

7:18pm Mon 28 Oct 13

newforestbloke says...

Franks Tank wrote:
Another horse NOT killed by thousands of "lycra louts" marauding around the forest then?.
yes, but I notice this year more and more cyclists out at night on the Forest with high intensity lights often flashing and have been blinded on several occasions.

The other issue is that of course noone cycling on the New Forest ever arrives at the starting point of their ride by motor vehicle
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: Another horse NOT killed by thousands of "lycra louts" marauding around the forest then?.[/p][/quote]yes, but I notice this year more and more cyclists out at night on the Forest with high intensity lights often flashing and have been blinded on several occasions. The other issue is that of course noone cycling on the New Forest ever arrives at the starting point of their ride by motor vehicle newforestbloke

7:28pm Mon 28 Oct 13

newforestbloke says...

******AC*DEESEE*****
**
wrote:
country bird wrote:
123Dexter wrote:
The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.
So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony.
Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter.
Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly.

XX
Let's just hope she is insured, the car looks exspensive.
Wrong. Driving on the New forest means the free roaming animals have right of way and it is the responsibility of other road users to be aware of this and avoid them. More likely the owner of the pony can claim compensation from the driver of the vehicle
[quote][p][bold]******AC*DEESEE***** **[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]123Dexter[/bold] wrote: The pony that was killed by this car belonged my 3 year old daughter. The filly was given to her as a foal by her grandad last year.[/p][/quote]So sorry to hear that it was your daughter's pony. Sorry to hear that it was anyone's pony for that matter. Such a young pony too, what a terrible shame for you all, genuinly. XX[/p][/quote]Let's just hope she is insured, the car looks exspensive.[/p][/quote]Wrong. Driving on the New forest means the free roaming animals have right of way and it is the responsibility of other road users to be aware of this and avoid them. More likely the owner of the pony can claim compensation from the driver of the vehicle newforestbloke

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