Flats plan for Chantry Hall site replaces failed ice rink plans for Southampton

Daily Echo: An artist's impression of the shelved ice rink scheme. An artist's impression of the shelved ice rink scheme.

IT WAS supposed to be the venue for Southampton’s long-awaited ice rink, but more than a year after those plans bit the dust due to a lack of funding, proposals have been submitted to build 59 flats on the site of the former Chantry Hall.

The hall in St Mary’s was built in 1925, and for more than 80 years played a key role in the community as a centre for worship and a meeting place for various groups, among other uses.

But it was ravaged after arsonists started a fire there in 2007 and has been subsequently knocked down.

Developer Colin Warburg then brought forward plans for a £10m ice rink at the site in St Mary Street, which would have been the city’s first since Top Rank closed its doors in 1988.

He said the £10m rink would have been able to hold 800 spectators at a time and would have created 110 jobs.

But despite winning outline planning permission from Southampton City Council, he was forced to shelve his plans due to funding issues.

Now construction firm the Drew Smith Group has lodged plans with the council that would see a 59-flat complex built at the site.

A new building, ranging in height from three to six storeys, would be built there.

It would contain nine one-bedroom flats, 46 two-bedroom flats and four three-bedroom flats, some of which would be affordable housing.

The developer says the new building could be complete and ready for new tenants to move in within two years of planning permission being granted.

City council planners are due to make a decision by February 18.

The Drew Smith Group declined to comment.

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11:41am Tue 3 Dec 13

On the inside says...

A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it. On the inside

12:04pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

I want an ice rink and I would use it, I have to keep these penguins somewhere.
I want an ice rink and I would use it, I have to keep these penguins somewhere. Stroppy_gramps

12:05pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Dasal says...

On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
"This town, coming like a ghost town"..............
"Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town ?"
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]"This town, coming like a ghost town".............. "Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town ?" Dasal

12:37pm Tue 3 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
never a truer word said
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]never a truer word said 03alpe01

12:43pm Tue 3 Dec 13

There's Always Been Ethel says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
I want an ice rink and I would use it, I have to keep these penguins somewhere.
Keep the penguins in your fridge or larder. This way the chocolate does not melt.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: I want an ice rink and I would use it, I have to keep these penguins somewhere.[/p][/quote]Keep the penguins in your fridge or larder. This way the chocolate does not melt. There's Always Been Ethel

12:44pm Tue 3 Dec 13

sotonboy84 says...

Oh of course, flats. There are so many flats that have been built/being built in Southampton but with very little infrastructure to go with it. Squeezing loads of people into small flats on a small plot of land leads to no parking, no school spaces and no doctors surgery spaces amongst other things.

But it's alright I guess, just think of the council tax and permit parking charges the council will get.
Oh of course, flats. There are so many flats that have been built/being built in Southampton but with very little infrastructure to go with it. Squeezing loads of people into small flats on a small plot of land leads to no parking, no school spaces and no doctors surgery spaces amongst other things. But it's alright I guess, just think of the council tax and permit parking charges the council will get. sotonboy84

12:44pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Ronnie G says...

On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area! Ronnie G

12:52pm Tue 3 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

Dasal wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
"This town, coming like a ghost town"..............
"Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town ?"
Cheer up ,plenty of tomorrows tenement flats to enjoy , think of all the council tax rolling in.
[quote][p][bold]Dasal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]"This town, coming like a ghost town".............. "Do you remember the good old days before the ghost town ?"[/p][/quote]Cheer up ,plenty of tomorrows tenement flats to enjoy , think of all the council tax rolling in. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

12:55pm Tue 3 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
Ronnie as someone who went leafletting & talking to Lordshill residents I can tell you quite categorically that it wasn't just Southampton Labour against cuts as I'm in no way in agreement with that bunch of clowns.
I'm a Tory & I know several of my fellow Tories went out leafletting & canvassing Lordshill to gather support to keep that pool open.
I was doing that before Thomas & Morrel jumped in on the bandwagon
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]Ronnie as someone who went leafletting & talking to Lordshill residents I can tell you quite categorically that it wasn't just Southampton Labour against cuts as I'm in no way in agreement with that bunch of clowns. I'm a Tory & I know several of my fellow Tories went out leafletting & canvassing Lordshill to gather support to keep that pool open. I was doing that before Thomas & Morrel jumped in on the bandwagon loosehead

12:56pm Tue 3 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football.

Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats.
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football. Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats. 03alpe01

1:00pm Tue 3 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Now to get back to the article. Surprise,Surprise! as if anyone ever thought the Ice rink would go ahead in the first place.
This site was earmarked for flats with a smoke screen of an Ice Rink put forward & then what happens? "Sorry I tried to get an Ice Rink but couldn't get backers" seems a total lie from start to finish.
firstly you get the backers then buy the site & build it not buy the site & then look for backers.
Is the site for the proposed snowdome/ice rink/rowing club now going to be watered based flats?
Now to get back to the article. Surprise,Surprise! as if anyone ever thought the Ice rink would go ahead in the first place. This site was earmarked for flats with a smoke screen of an Ice Rink put forward & then what happens? "Sorry I tried to get an Ice Rink but couldn't get backers" seems a total lie from start to finish. firstly you get the backers then buy the site & build it not buy the site & then look for backers. Is the site for the proposed snowdome/ice rink/rowing club now going to be watered based flats? loosehead

1:10pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny Lone Ranger.

1:13pm Tue 3 Dec 13

J.P.M... says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football.

Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats.
problem with privately run ice rinks - very difficult to cover their costs let alone make a profit. Probably the reason planet ice behind both Basingstoke and Gosport filed for administration.
The only way there will be an ice rink will be as part of planning gain for a larger development. Even then the council have to be careful not to overplay their hand as we are only just seeing larger scale developers dusting off schemes which date back to 2007.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football. Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats.[/p][/quote]problem with privately run ice rinks - very difficult to cover their costs let alone make a profit. Probably the reason planet ice behind both Basingstoke and Gosport filed for administration. The only way there will be an ice rink will be as part of planning gain for a larger development. Even then the council have to be careful not to overplay their hand as we are only just seeing larger scale developers dusting off schemes which date back to 2007. J.P.M...

1:35pm Tue 3 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

J.P.M... wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football.

Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats.
problem with privately run ice rinks - very difficult to cover their costs let alone make a profit. Probably the reason planet ice behind both Basingstoke and Gosport filed for administration.
The only way there will be an ice rink will be as part of planning gain for a larger development. Even then the council have to be careful not to overplay their hand as we are only just seeing larger scale developers dusting off schemes which date back to 2007.
Which is why the new Fleming Park would be the ideal location for a new rink. There is a heat exchanger method used for heating the swimming pool and ice rink so that they share the same bill. This is a system used in Swindon, Basingstoke and Guildford and they're all doing pretty well. So much so, that there was even talk of a second rink in Guildford at one stage. Another location would have been where West Quay 3 will be- the ice rink would have shared the same heating bill as the Quays. There is talk of an ice rink in the Eling Wharf development over Totton. I would also like to think the Ford site could have been the ideal venue- if it was broken up into an industrial estate like the one over Barton Park then one unit could have been filled by an ice rink.

As for Planet Ice, well you say that but then they have just opened up a new rink in Uttoxeter, plus have got MK's rink closed for refurbishment and have got a new temporary open. Plus the new rink at Stretham is now open, albeit not run by Planet Ice- but that was part funded by a new supermarket. Which reminds me of that Morrisons due to open up in the City Centre. An ice rink here would work, it just needs to be in the right location.
[quote][p][bold]J.P.M...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football. Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats.[/p][/quote]problem with privately run ice rinks - very difficult to cover their costs let alone make a profit. Probably the reason planet ice behind both Basingstoke and Gosport filed for administration. The only way there will be an ice rink will be as part of planning gain for a larger development. Even then the council have to be careful not to overplay their hand as we are only just seeing larger scale developers dusting off schemes which date back to 2007.[/p][/quote]Which is why the new Fleming Park would be the ideal location for a new rink. There is a heat exchanger method used for heating the swimming pool and ice rink so that they share the same bill. This is a system used in Swindon, Basingstoke and Guildford and they're all doing pretty well. So much so, that there was even talk of a second rink in Guildford at one stage. Another location would have been where West Quay 3 will be- the ice rink would have shared the same heating bill as the Quays. There is talk of an ice rink in the Eling Wharf development over Totton. I would also like to think the Ford site could have been the ideal venue- if it was broken up into an industrial estate like the one over Barton Park then one unit could have been filled by an ice rink. As for Planet Ice, well you say that but then they have just opened up a new rink in Uttoxeter, plus have got MK's rink closed for refurbishment and have got a new temporary open. Plus the new rink at Stretham is now open, albeit not run by Planet Ice- but that was part funded by a new supermarket. Which reminds me of that Morrisons due to open up in the City Centre. An ice rink here would work, it just needs to be in the right location. 03alpe01

1:37pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
Few fair points have been raised by Ronnie G.

Council was wasting money even before 2012, it is not only the current Council that has mastered creative accounting it was also the speciality of previous ones. This policy continues because all three main parties may have different brand names but in reality are the same, 'Thatcherites'.

Politically opportunist NuLabour administration has only found money to reopen Oaklands Swimming Pool and promised to reopen it around the time of another important election. It's done for various reasons.

Two councillors of the area (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) are main reason. They have stood by local people and have become even more popular than before due to their complete support to campaign for reopening of this Pool, while NuLabour's Sally Spicer has been letting the people down, so is rightly disliked by voters.

We the people in Coxford ward can only hope that the NuLabourite run Council will deliver its pledge to reopen the Oaklands and it's promise will not turn out like promise made by the same lot to build brand new Ice Rink in 1988, and conveniently repeated just before various elections only to be put back on the shelf to gather dust afterwards.
[quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]Few fair points have been raised by Ronnie G. Council was wasting money even before 2012, it is not only the current Council that has mastered creative accounting it was also the speciality of previous ones. This policy continues because all three main parties may have different brand names but in reality are the same, 'Thatcherites'. Politically opportunist NuLabour administration has only found money to reopen Oaklands Swimming Pool and promised to reopen it around the time of another important election. It's done for various reasons. Two councillors of the area (Don Thomas and Keith Morrell) are main reason. They have stood by local people and have become even more popular than before due to their complete support to campaign for reopening of this Pool, while NuLabour's Sally Spicer has been letting the people down, so is rightly disliked by voters. We the people in Coxford ward can only hope that the NuLabourite run Council will deliver its pledge to reopen the Oaklands and it's promise will not turn out like promise made by the same lot to build brand new Ice Rink in 1988, and conveniently repeated just before various elections only to be put back on the shelf to gather dust afterwards. Paramjit Bahia

1:55pm Tue 3 Dec 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Let's face it we are going to have to find somewhere for all of the Roumanian and Bulgarian immigrants to live, so the sooner the better.
Let's face it we are going to have to find somewhere for all of the Roumanian and Bulgarian immigrants to live, so the sooner the better. OSPREYSAINT

2:11pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
Are you trying to say that either NuLabourites are so stupid that they did not know many who are willing to pay, or own the fact that like most other pledges the promise to build ice rink made in 1988 and many times conveniantly repeated just before various elections was also very typical NuLabour's political ploy, pie in the sky, and a complete out and out outrageous NuLabourite LIE?????

Making false promises and breaking pledges even enshrined in the manifestos is the speciality of NuLabour. They have not only failed to honour their word on building ice rink in Southampton but nationally have done the same on many issues, for example vote on EU after Lisbon.

These days at national level fake socialist leaders of NuLabour are saying the builders who fail to build on land for housing will be made to lose it under their 'use or lose' scheme, if they are serious then why the local hypocrites of NuLabour do not apply the same policy in Southampton by demanding the developer should deliver the ice rink, and if the developer tries to cut and run by transferring the ownership of the land to somebody else the Council will not allow anything other than ice rink to be built on this land.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]Are you trying to say that either NuLabourites are so stupid that they did not know many who are willing to pay, or own the fact that like most other pledges the promise to build ice rink made in 1988 and many times conveniantly repeated just before various elections was also very typical NuLabour's political ploy, pie in the sky, and a complete out and out outrageous NuLabourite LIE????? Making false promises and breaking pledges even enshrined in the manifestos is the speciality of NuLabour. They have not only failed to honour their word on building ice rink in Southampton but nationally have done the same on many issues, for example vote on EU after Lisbon. These days at national level fake socialist leaders of NuLabour are saying the builders who fail to build on land for housing will be made to lose it under their 'use or lose' scheme, if they are serious then why the local hypocrites of NuLabour do not apply the same policy in Southampton by demanding the developer should deliver the ice rink, and if the developer tries to cut and run by transferring the ownership of the land to somebody else the Council will not allow anything other than ice rink to be built on this land. Paramjit Bahia

2:38pm Tue 3 Dec 13

sarfhamton says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Let's face it we are going to have to find somewhere for all of the Roumanian and Bulgarian immigrants to live, so the sooner the better.
I cant wait for them, we have jobs going spare that english born people are too lazy / high and mighty to do. Let them in i say.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Let's face it we are going to have to find somewhere for all of the Roumanian and Bulgarian immigrants to live, so the sooner the better.[/p][/quote]I cant wait for them, we have jobs going spare that english born people are too lazy / high and mighty to do. Let them in i say. sarfhamton

3:03pm Tue 3 Dec 13

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny
Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool.


Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny[/p][/quote]Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool. Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town. southy

4:08pm Tue 3 Dec 13

LadySam says...

more flats well there's a surprise. Thousands of people in this city and nothing for them to do.
more flats well there's a surprise. Thousands of people in this city and nothing for them to do. LadySam

5:17pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny
Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool.


Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.
It almost doesnt matter where the "best place is" ..... if no-one wants to build one .... does it
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny[/p][/quote]Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool. Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.[/p][/quote]It almost doesnt matter where the "best place is" ..... if no-one wants to build one .... does it Lone Ranger.

5:24pm Tue 3 Dec 13

J.P.M... says...

03alpe01 wrote:
J.P.M... wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football.

Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats.
problem with privately run ice rinks - very difficult to cover their costs let alone make a profit. Probably the reason planet ice behind both Basingstoke and Gosport filed for administration.
The only way there will be an ice rink will be as part of planning gain for a larger development. Even then the council have to be careful not to overplay their hand as we are only just seeing larger scale developers dusting off schemes which date back to 2007.
Which is why the new Fleming Park would be the ideal location for a new rink. There is a heat exchanger method used for heating the swimming pool and ice rink so that they share the same bill. This is a system used in Swindon, Basingstoke and Guildford and they're all doing pretty well. So much so, that there was even talk of a second rink in Guildford at one stage. Another location would have been where West Quay 3 will be- the ice rink would have shared the same heating bill as the Quays. There is talk of an ice rink in the Eling Wharf development over Totton. I would also like to think the Ford site could have been the ideal venue- if it was broken up into an industrial estate like the one over Barton Park then one unit could have been filled by an ice rink.

As for Planet Ice, well you say that but then they have just opened up a new rink in Uttoxeter, plus have got MK's rink closed for refurbishment and have got a new temporary open. Plus the new rink at Stretham is now open, albeit not run by Planet Ice- but that was part funded by a new supermarket. Which reminds me of that Morrisons due to open up in the City Centre. An ice rink here would work, it just needs to be in the right location.
edge of town - cheap site, cheaper build and easy access - still would need deep pockets on the part of the council.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.P.M...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football. Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats.[/p][/quote]problem with privately run ice rinks - very difficult to cover their costs let alone make a profit. Probably the reason planet ice behind both Basingstoke and Gosport filed for administration. The only way there will be an ice rink will be as part of planning gain for a larger development. Even then the council have to be careful not to overplay their hand as we are only just seeing larger scale developers dusting off schemes which date back to 2007.[/p][/quote]Which is why the new Fleming Park would be the ideal location for a new rink. There is a heat exchanger method used for heating the swimming pool and ice rink so that they share the same bill. This is a system used in Swindon, Basingstoke and Guildford and they're all doing pretty well. So much so, that there was even talk of a second rink in Guildford at one stage. Another location would have been where West Quay 3 will be- the ice rink would have shared the same heating bill as the Quays. There is talk of an ice rink in the Eling Wharf development over Totton. I would also like to think the Ford site could have been the ideal venue- if it was broken up into an industrial estate like the one over Barton Park then one unit could have been filled by an ice rink. As for Planet Ice, well you say that but then they have just opened up a new rink in Uttoxeter, plus have got MK's rink closed for refurbishment and have got a new temporary open. Plus the new rink at Stretham is now open, albeit not run by Planet Ice- but that was part funded by a new supermarket. Which reminds me of that Morrisons due to open up in the City Centre. An ice rink here would work, it just needs to be in the right location.[/p][/quote]edge of town - cheap site, cheaper build and easy access - still would need deep pockets on the part of the council. J.P.M...

5:28pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny
Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool.


Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.
Not sure what other party has joined up with TUSC and the Socialist Paty.
.
Cant find a party called Labour against cuts.
.
I did find ... Councillors Against Cuts though . ....... which is totally different to what you suggest.
.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny[/p][/quote]Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool. Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.[/p][/quote]Not sure what other party has joined up with TUSC and the Socialist Paty. . Cant find a party called Labour against cuts. . I did find ... Councillors Against Cuts though . ....... which is totally different to what you suggest. . Lone Ranger.

9:07pm Tue 3 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

J.P.M... wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
J.P.M... wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football.

Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats.
problem with privately run ice rinks - very difficult to cover their costs let alone make a profit. Probably the reason planet ice behind both Basingstoke and Gosport filed for administration.
The only way there will be an ice rink will be as part of planning gain for a larger development. Even then the council have to be careful not to overplay their hand as we are only just seeing larger scale developers dusting off schemes which date back to 2007.
Which is why the new Fleming Park would be the ideal location for a new rink. There is a heat exchanger method used for heating the swimming pool and ice rink so that they share the same bill. This is a system used in Swindon, Basingstoke and Guildford and they're all doing pretty well. So much so, that there was even talk of a second rink in Guildford at one stage. Another location would have been where West Quay 3 will be- the ice rink would have shared the same heating bill as the Quays. There is talk of an ice rink in the Eling Wharf development over Totton. I would also like to think the Ford site could have been the ideal venue- if it was broken up into an industrial estate like the one over Barton Park then one unit could have been filled by an ice rink.

As for Planet Ice, well you say that but then they have just opened up a new rink in Uttoxeter, plus have got MK's rink closed for refurbishment and have got a new temporary open. Plus the new rink at Stretham is now open, albeit not run by Planet Ice- but that was part funded by a new supermarket. Which reminds me of that Morrisons due to open up in the City Centre. An ice rink here would work, it just needs to be in the right location.
edge of town - cheap site, cheaper build and easy access - still would need deep pockets on the part of the council.
new Fleming Park?
[quote][p][bold]J.P.M...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J.P.M...[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]Let's face it. The plans will be approved because this is Southampton City Council and they are flats. I myself, am regularly at both Gosport and Basingstoke rinks and to debunk a few myths for you all- they are both very well attended and are sometimes full of schools, including some from Southampton. The Ice Dance clubs are always full and Ice Hockey matches regularly pull in around 800-1,000+ people a week. Ice Hockey is the most watched sport in Basingstoke- meaning they get more people there than they do at non-league football. Personally, I would absolutely love to see the return of the ice rink- but can't see it happening. There is also a campaign going on for an ice rink as part of the new Fleming Park- but again won't happen due to Council's and developers not wanting to take the risk. I think an ice rink down here would work, given the number of students and the fact that Southampton University has an Ice Hockey team. Also, I think that this article says the Ice Rink wasn't built because it wouldn't make money, but rather it was built because Colin Warburg didn't have any money in the first place if he couldn't put up those much wanted flats.[/p][/quote]problem with privately run ice rinks - very difficult to cover their costs let alone make a profit. Probably the reason planet ice behind both Basingstoke and Gosport filed for administration. The only way there will be an ice rink will be as part of planning gain for a larger development. Even then the council have to be careful not to overplay their hand as we are only just seeing larger scale developers dusting off schemes which date back to 2007.[/p][/quote]Which is why the new Fleming Park would be the ideal location for a new rink. There is a heat exchanger method used for heating the swimming pool and ice rink so that they share the same bill. This is a system used in Swindon, Basingstoke and Guildford and they're all doing pretty well. So much so, that there was even talk of a second rink in Guildford at one stage. Another location would have been where West Quay 3 will be- the ice rink would have shared the same heating bill as the Quays. There is talk of an ice rink in the Eling Wharf development over Totton. I would also like to think the Ford site could have been the ideal venue- if it was broken up into an industrial estate like the one over Barton Park then one unit could have been filled by an ice rink. As for Planet Ice, well you say that but then they have just opened up a new rink in Uttoxeter, plus have got MK's rink closed for refurbishment and have got a new temporary open. Plus the new rink at Stretham is now open, albeit not run by Planet Ice- but that was part funded by a new supermarket. Which reminds me of that Morrisons due to open up in the City Centre. An ice rink here would work, it just needs to be in the right location.[/p][/quote]edge of town - cheap site, cheaper build and easy access - still would need deep pockets on the part of the council.[/p][/quote]new Fleming Park? 03alpe01

9:09pm Tue 3 Dec 13

loosehead says...

when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city.
Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards.
So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project.
when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city. Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards. So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project. loosehead

9:15pm Tue 3 Dec 13

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny
Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool.


Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.
So where were you & your so called ex Labour mates when Williams scrapped the Snow Dome scheme which included an Ice Rink & a brand new facility for Rowing saying it wasn't enough water based activities?
Why no protests from those two ex Labour but still councillors? why were you & the socialist workers Party not protesting out side the council?
After all we have swimming pools but do we have either a snow dome or an Ice Rink?
How can Morrel & Thomas be Labour against the cuts?
Surely they can no longer be members of the Labour Party can they?
Was their so called break away just a rouse/lie to save their seats come the next local election?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny[/p][/quote]Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool. Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.[/p][/quote]So where were you & your so called ex Labour mates when Williams scrapped the Snow Dome scheme which included an Ice Rink & a brand new facility for Rowing saying it wasn't enough water based activities? Why no protests from those two ex Labour but still councillors? why were you & the socialist workers Party not protesting out side the council? After all we have swimming pools but do we have either a snow dome or an Ice Rink? How can Morrel & Thomas be Labour against the cuts? Surely they can no longer be members of the Labour Party can they? Was their so called break away just a rouse/lie to save their seats come the next local election? loosehead

10:15pm Tue 3 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

loosehead wrote:
when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city.
Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards.
So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project.
The original promise for an ice rink was made in 1988 after the old rink controversially shut. Interestingly, the Mayflower was under danger of closure and there was a public outcry and it was saved. After the old ice rink shut behind everyone's backs so nobody could save it, the Mayflower was packed to capacity for Alan Whitehead to make that infamous promise.

Colin Warburg's ice rink was never going to happen. It is too small and is in completely the wrong location and parking would have been a major issue. But the fact it wasn't built isn't due to ice rinks not making money, it was down to him not having any money. Why the snow dome was scrapped I have no idea? I for one can't wait to see the water based 'sea view' flats and see just how water based they truly are.

Another interesting fact: The old ice rink was actually turning profit at the time of closure.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city. Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards. So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project.[/p][/quote]The original promise for an ice rink was made in 1988 after the old rink controversially shut. Interestingly, the Mayflower was under danger of closure and there was a public outcry and it was saved. After the old ice rink shut behind everyone's backs so nobody could save it, the Mayflower was packed to capacity for Alan Whitehead to make that infamous promise. Colin Warburg's ice rink was never going to happen. It is too small and is in completely the wrong location and parking would have been a major issue. But the fact it wasn't built isn't due to ice rinks not making money, it was down to him not having any money. Why the snow dome was scrapped I have no idea? I for one can't wait to see the water based 'sea view' flats and see just how water based they truly are. Another interesting fact: The old ice rink was actually turning profit at the time of closure. 03alpe01

7:15am Wed 4 Dec 13

loosehead says...

03alpe01 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city.
Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards.
So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project.
The original promise for an ice rink was made in 1988 after the old rink controversially shut. Interestingly, the Mayflower was under danger of closure and there was a public outcry and it was saved. After the old ice rink shut behind everyone's backs so nobody could save it, the Mayflower was packed to capacity for Alan Whitehead to make that infamous promise.

Colin Warburg's ice rink was never going to happen. It is too small and is in completely the wrong location and parking would have been a major issue. But the fact it wasn't built isn't due to ice rinks not making money, it was down to him not having any money. Why the snow dome was scrapped I have no idea? I for one can't wait to see the water based 'sea view' flats and see just how water based they truly are.

Another interesting fact: The old ice rink was actually turning profit at the time of closure.
I use to go there & some nights(Fri-Sunday) it was empty but the reason it shut was Mecca bought it saw how much they could get for the land & sold it to a building company
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city. Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards. So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project.[/p][/quote]The original promise for an ice rink was made in 1988 after the old rink controversially shut. Interestingly, the Mayflower was under danger of closure and there was a public outcry and it was saved. After the old ice rink shut behind everyone's backs so nobody could save it, the Mayflower was packed to capacity for Alan Whitehead to make that infamous promise. Colin Warburg's ice rink was never going to happen. It is too small and is in completely the wrong location and parking would have been a major issue. But the fact it wasn't built isn't due to ice rinks not making money, it was down to him not having any money. Why the snow dome was scrapped I have no idea? I for one can't wait to see the water based 'sea view' flats and see just how water based they truly are. Another interesting fact: The old ice rink was actually turning profit at the time of closure.[/p][/quote]I use to go there & some nights(Fri-Sunday) it was empty but the reason it shut was Mecca bought it saw how much they could get for the land & sold it to a building company loosehead

7:21am Wed 4 Dec 13

Buddy SFC says...

Flats in Southampton ............ A few more Villa's in Spain !

When will this stop !
Flats in Southampton ............ A few more Villa's in Spain ! When will this stop ! Buddy SFC

7:54am Wed 4 Dec 13

skeptik says...

More flats - Does Southampton have a tourist board? Maybe an Ice rink would bring money in. My wife and me spend more money in Salisbury than we do here - it is more of an 'experience' to shop and visit - something planners appear to forget.
More flats - Does Southampton have a tourist board? Maybe an Ice rink would bring money in. My wife and me spend more money in Salisbury than we do here - it is more of an 'experience' to shop and visit - something planners appear to forget. skeptik

11:52am Wed 4 Dec 13

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny
Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool.


Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.
It almost doesnt matter where the "best place is" ..... if no-one wants to build one .... does it
Then the council should build one, Ice rinks are not lost makers they do make profit just that its not a large profit and that is why no one in the private sector wants to build one, there greed for large profit stops them
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny[/p][/quote]Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool. Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.[/p][/quote]It almost doesnt matter where the "best place is" ..... if no-one wants to build one .... does it[/p][/quote]Then the council should build one, Ice rinks are not lost makers they do make profit just that its not a large profit and that is why no one in the private sector wants to build one, there greed for large profit stops them southy

11:53am Wed 4 Dec 13

southy says...

skeptik wrote:
More flats - Does Southampton have a tourist board? Maybe an Ice rink would bring money in. My wife and me spend more money in Salisbury than we do here - it is more of an 'experience' to shop and visit - something planners appear to forget.
Salisbury is a wonderful place to shop
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: More flats - Does Southampton have a tourist board? Maybe an Ice rink would bring money in. My wife and me spend more money in Salisbury than we do here - it is more of an 'experience' to shop and visit - something planners appear to forget.[/p][/quote]Salisbury is a wonderful place to shop southy

12:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny
Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool.


Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.
So where were you & your so called ex Labour mates when Williams scrapped the Snow Dome scheme which included an Ice Rink & a brand new facility for Rowing saying it wasn't enough water based activities?
Why no protests from those two ex Labour but still councillors? why were you & the socialist workers Party not protesting out side the council?
After all we have swimming pools but do we have either a snow dome or an Ice Rink?
How can Morrel & Thomas be Labour against the cuts?
Surely they can no longer be members of the Labour Party can they?
Was their so called break away just a rouse/lie to save their seats come the next local election?
Loose be honest with your self, the Snowdome was just a spin that,s all it was never going to happen, the Snowdome was all about spending dept surplus money on spin and drawings etc that could not be transferred to another dept.
Oh by the way Loose I am not a Socialist Worker Party member, I am SP & TUSC member, as for Don and Keith as far as I know they are no longer Labour party members and have gone Independent Labour / Labour against cuts.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny[/p][/quote]Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool. Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.[/p][/quote]So where were you & your so called ex Labour mates when Williams scrapped the Snow Dome scheme which included an Ice Rink & a brand new facility for Rowing saying it wasn't enough water based activities? Why no protests from those two ex Labour but still councillors? why were you & the socialist workers Party not protesting out side the council? After all we have swimming pools but do we have either a snow dome or an Ice Rink? How can Morrel & Thomas be Labour against the cuts? Surely they can no longer be members of the Labour Party can they? Was their so called break away just a rouse/lie to save their seats come the next local election?[/p][/quote]Loose be honest with your self, the Snowdome was just a spin that,s all it was never going to happen, the Snowdome was all about spending dept surplus money on spin and drawings etc that could not be transferred to another dept. Oh by the way Loose I am not a Socialist Worker Party member, I am SP & TUSC member, as for Don and Keith as far as I know they are no longer Labour party members and have gone Independent Labour / Labour against cuts. southy

12:46pm Wed 4 Dec 13

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny
Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool.


Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.
Not sure what other party has joined up with TUSC and the Socialist Paty.
.
Cant find a party called Labour against cuts.
.
I did find ... Councillors Against Cuts though . ....... which is totally different to what you suggest.
.
They are one in the same Lone
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny[/p][/quote]Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool. Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.[/p][/quote]Not sure what other party has joined up with TUSC and the Socialist Paty. . Cant find a party called Labour against cuts. . I did find ... Councillors Against Cuts though . ....... which is totally different to what you suggest. .[/p][/quote]They are one in the same Lone southy

3:43pm Wed 4 Dec 13

03alpe01 says...

loosehead wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city.
Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards.
So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project.
The original promise for an ice rink was made in 1988 after the old rink controversially shut. Interestingly, the Mayflower was under danger of closure and there was a public outcry and it was saved. After the old ice rink shut behind everyone's backs so nobody could save it, the Mayflower was packed to capacity for Alan Whitehead to make that infamous promise.

Colin Warburg's ice rink was never going to happen. It is too small and is in completely the wrong location and parking would have been a major issue. But the fact it wasn't built isn't due to ice rinks not making money, it was down to him not having any money. Why the snow dome was scrapped I have no idea? I for one can't wait to see the water based 'sea view' flats and see just how water based they truly are.

Another interesting fact: The old ice rink was actually turning profit at the time of closure.
I use to go there & some nights(Fri-Sunday) it was empty but the reason it shut was Mecca bought it saw how much they could get for the land & sold it to a building company
Did you ever go to an ice hockey match there? The ones in Gosport are always full and Basingstoke regularly pulls in 800+ a week. But you're right though, they were constantly trying to get the rink sold off for housing. I actually happen to think that a rink down here now would be more popular than the original because of the increased number of students and the University hockey teams. What about that bit of land next to the A335 Stoneham Way that's between Stoneham Way and Fords? Doesn't look like that's being used much atm and is easy to get to (just off J5) and comes under Eastleigh Council, so no 'landmark' or 'luxury' student flats would be put there. Why not?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city. Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards. So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project.[/p][/quote]The original promise for an ice rink was made in 1988 after the old rink controversially shut. Interestingly, the Mayflower was under danger of closure and there was a public outcry and it was saved. After the old ice rink shut behind everyone's backs so nobody could save it, the Mayflower was packed to capacity for Alan Whitehead to make that infamous promise. Colin Warburg's ice rink was never going to happen. It is too small and is in completely the wrong location and parking would have been a major issue. But the fact it wasn't built isn't due to ice rinks not making money, it was down to him not having any money. Why the snow dome was scrapped I have no idea? I for one can't wait to see the water based 'sea view' flats and see just how water based they truly are. Another interesting fact: The old ice rink was actually turning profit at the time of closure.[/p][/quote]I use to go there & some nights(Fri-Sunday) it was empty but the reason it shut was Mecca bought it saw how much they could get for the land & sold it to a building company[/p][/quote]Did you ever go to an ice hockey match there? The ones in Gosport are always full and Basingstoke regularly pulls in 800+ a week. But you're right though, they were constantly trying to get the rink sold off for housing. I actually happen to think that a rink down here now would be more popular than the original because of the increased number of students and the University hockey teams. What about that bit of land next to the A335 Stoneham Way that's between Stoneham Way and Fords? Doesn't look like that's being used much atm and is easy to get to (just off J5) and comes under Eastleigh Council, so no 'landmark' or 'luxury' student flats would be put there. Why not? 03alpe01

3:54pm Wed 4 Dec 13

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
loosehead wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Ronnie G wrote:
On the inside wrote:
A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.
MMmm, 'on the inside'
I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?.....
Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!!
But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts!
The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it?
Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it?
Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area!
You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny
Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool.


Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.
So where were you & your so called ex Labour mates when Williams scrapped the Snow Dome scheme which included an Ice Rink & a brand new facility for Rowing saying it wasn't enough water based activities?
Why no protests from those two ex Labour but still councillors? why were you & the socialist workers Party not protesting out side the council?
After all we have swimming pools but do we have either a snow dome or an Ice Rink?
How can Morrel & Thomas be Labour against the cuts?
Surely they can no longer be members of the Labour Party can they?
Was their so called break away just a rouse/lie to save their seats come the next local election?
Loose be honest with your self, the Snowdome was just a spin that,s all it was never going to happen, the Snowdome was all about spending dept surplus money on spin and drawings etc that could not be transferred to another dept.
Oh by the way Loose I am not a Socialist Worker Party member, I am SP & TUSC member, as for Don and Keith as far as I know they are no longer Labour party members and have gone Independent Labour / Labour against cuts.
It was going to happen & had a private company willing to build & run it & finance it
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronnie G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: A fair number of people want to USE an Ice Rink (or at lest SAY they do) but nobody want the PAY for an Ice Rink. It is time to stop this irritating wild goose chase. Southampton will NEVER have another Ice Rink. Live with it.[/p][/quote]MMmm, 'on the inside' I believe something simiLIAR has been said before?..... Ah yes thats it regarding Oaklands Pool!! But thats opening again now, thanks to Labour against cuts! The money this council has misused since 2012 could have given something back to Southampton, but no thats not on the councils agenda is it? Any way Surely we have until Feb 18th 2014 to 'live with it' as no planning decision has been reached yet... has it? Who knows it may not be in keeping with the area![/p][/quote]You post just like someone else used to on here ...... its so uncanny[/p][/quote]Not just Labour against cuts, the Socialist Party and the TUSC these three groups managed to over turn the Tory's and Labour council ruling on the pool. Best place for an Ice Rink would be in Shirley, Shirley is very easy to get to unlike town.[/p][/quote]So where were you & your so called ex Labour mates when Williams scrapped the Snow Dome scheme which included an Ice Rink & a brand new facility for Rowing saying it wasn't enough water based activities? Why no protests from those two ex Labour but still councillors? why were you & the socialist workers Party not protesting out side the council? After all we have swimming pools but do we have either a snow dome or an Ice Rink? How can Morrel & Thomas be Labour against the cuts? Surely they can no longer be members of the Labour Party can they? Was their so called break away just a rouse/lie to save their seats come the next local election?[/p][/quote]Loose be honest with your self, the Snowdome was just a spin that,s all it was never going to happen, the Snowdome was all about spending dept surplus money on spin and drawings etc that could not be transferred to another dept. Oh by the way Loose I am not a Socialist Worker Party member, I am SP & TUSC member, as for Don and Keith as far as I know they are no longer Labour party members and have gone Independent Labour / Labour against cuts.[/p][/quote]It was going to happen & had a private company willing to build & run it & finance it loosehead

3:58pm Wed 4 Dec 13

loosehead says...

03alpe01 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city.
Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards.
So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project.
The original promise for an ice rink was made in 1988 after the old rink controversially shut. Interestingly, the Mayflower was under danger of closure and there was a public outcry and it was saved. After the old ice rink shut behind everyone's backs so nobody could save it, the Mayflower was packed to capacity for Alan Whitehead to make that infamous promise.

Colin Warburg's ice rink was never going to happen. It is too small and is in completely the wrong location and parking would have been a major issue. But the fact it wasn't built isn't due to ice rinks not making money, it was down to him not having any money. Why the snow dome was scrapped I have no idea? I for one can't wait to see the water based 'sea view' flats and see just how water based they truly are.

Another interesting fact: The old ice rink was actually turning profit at the time of closure.
I use to go there & some nights(Fri-Sunday) it was empty but the reason it shut was Mecca bought it saw how much they could get for the land & sold it to a building company
Did you ever go to an ice hockey match there? The ones in Gosport are always full and Basingstoke regularly pulls in 800+ a week. But you're right though, they were constantly trying to get the rink sold off for housing. I actually happen to think that a rink down here now would be more popular than the original because of the increased number of students and the University hockey teams. What about that bit of land next to the A335 Stoneham Way that's between Stoneham Way and Fords? Doesn't look like that's being used much atm and is easy to get to (just off J5) and comes under Eastleigh Council, so no 'landmark' or 'luxury' student flats would be put there. Why not?
There was a bowling alley one end & kids rink(never got opened & the main Rink.
I went there for a sports lesson & we had someone who was suppose to teach us how to skate but she really wasn't bothered.
both the dance hall/suite & the Ice Rinks fate was sealed though & I can't remember if the Cricket Ground went first I think it did Then big money offers & even with the disc getting packed quick bucks was all that mattered same as the pubs now.
Cricket Ground once was a speedway track!
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: when the local elections come around we can dispute the claims made by minority parties but this story is about a guy who promised an Ice Rink before he had backing & now yet more flats are proposed for that area of the city. Personally I think there never ever was a real plan for an Ice Rink & this so called new plan was always on the cards. So no Ice Rink? under the Tory council the snowdome was going to incorporate an Ice Rink so it really should be no surprise this site wasn't going bto be one & was always destined for a big money earning flats project.[/p][/quote]The original promise for an ice rink was made in 1988 after the old rink controversially shut. Interestingly, the Mayflower was under danger of closure and there was a public outcry and it was saved. After the old ice rink shut behind everyone's backs so nobody could save it, the Mayflower was packed to capacity for Alan Whitehead to make that infamous promise. Colin Warburg's ice rink was never going to happen. It is too small and is in completely the wrong location and parking would have been a major issue. But the fact it wasn't built isn't due to ice rinks not making money, it was down to him not having any money. Why the snow dome was scrapped I have no idea? I for one can't wait to see the water based 'sea view' flats and see just how water based they truly are. Another interesting fact: The old ice rink was actually turning profit at the time of closure.[/p][/quote]I use to go there & some nights(Fri-Sunday) it was empty but the reason it shut was Mecca bought it saw how much they could get for the land & sold it to a building company[/p][/quote]Did you ever go to an ice hockey match there? The ones in Gosport are always full and Basingstoke regularly pulls in 800+ a week. But you're right though, they were constantly trying to get the rink sold off for housing. I actually happen to think that a rink down here now would be more popular than the original because of the increased number of students and the University hockey teams. What about that bit of land next to the A335 Stoneham Way that's between Stoneham Way and Fords? Doesn't look like that's being used much atm and is easy to get to (just off J5) and comes under Eastleigh Council, so no 'landmark' or 'luxury' student flats would be put there. Why not?[/p][/quote]There was a bowling alley one end & kids rink(never got opened & the main Rink. I went there for a sports lesson & we had someone who was suppose to teach us how to skate but she really wasn't bothered. both the dance hall/suite & the Ice Rinks fate was sealed though & I can't remember if the Cricket Ground went first I think it did Then big money offers & even with the disc getting packed quick bucks was all that mattered same as the pubs now. Cricket Ground once was a speedway track! loosehead

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