Fake goods worth £11.7m seized at Southampton docks by UK Border Force

Daily Echo: Fake goods worth £11,7m seized at docks Fake goods worth £11,7m seized at docks

AT a first glance they appear to be gifts that could be found under a Christmas tree.

But these counterfeit goods seized at Southampton Docks have been shipped into the country for one reason – to con you out of your hard-earned cash this Christmas.

UK Border Force officers operating at the docks have detained 238,000 fake goods worth £11.7m so far this year.

They are dealing with more counterfeit items coming through the port with Christmas fast approaching, with criminals producing unsafe and cheap goods to match high street trends in time for the festive season.

The goods are shipped from all over the world, but the majority come from the Far East, and it is estimated to cost the UK economy around £1.3bn every year.

The Daily Echo was given an insight into the operation carried out by officers all year round – and how they aim to stop shipments of fake items coming into the port.

It comes as the border force and Trading Standards launched a public campaign warning shoppers to be careful about what they buy and where they buy their Christmas presents from.

Our reporters were shown boxes full of items such as counterfeit Emporio Armani boxers, Louis Vuitton handbags, Beats by Dre headphones, Converse trainers, and RayBan sunglasses, stacked high in two storage warehouses at the docks.

Cheap clothing branded with the recognisable Hello Kitty cartoon and Disney characters, and imitation Cath Kidston bags, also make up a large number of impounded merchandise.

They were shown hundreds of untested and potentially dangerous phone chargers, iPad covers, fake Hermes belts, and Barcelona chairs, which are worth up to £1,000 at retail price, and a selection of garish, multi-coloured Buddha statues.

Sarah Charles, assistant director of UK Border Force, said the organisation works with the National Crime Agency to tackle this form of organised crime.

She said: “We detain the goods, examine them, and we would contact the people that own the property rights if we have any doubt. So we would contact Louis Vuitton and they would then take the course of action.

Daily Echo:

“It is my understanding that there has been £70m-worth of counterfeit goods come through the nation’s ports over the past year.”

The force works closely with Southampton City Council’s trading standards department, which acts on intelligence and tip-offs to stop the counterfeit goods reaching the high street.

Clive Robinson, from the trading standards department, said fake goods are a huge threat to the city’s economy.

He said: “We receive complaints from members of the public who have bought poor quality goods. We visit markets and car boot sales, and gather a significant amount of information from brand holders.

“We see it as illegal activity. It takes money away from the city’s legitimate businesses and that means consumers inevitably buy substandard products with significant safety issues.

“The sunglasses are not going to be optically correct, and we see a lot of counterfeit alcohol, particularly spirits, which contain industrial alcohol.

“Businesses need to know where they are buying from. They need to have proper invoices, phone numbers and addresses. You cannot buy large branded products from wholesale outlets in China.”

Lisa Lovell, from Brand Enforcement UK, which represents the Beats by Dre firm, said: “If consumers are paying less than the main price, it’s that phrase of ‘if it’s too good to be true, it probably is’.

Counterfeiters “If I was a consumer, I would check the main website and with the main distributors, not at a local market stall or car boot sale. Beats by Dre headphones are not going to be £15.”

Ruth Orchard, director-General of the Anti-Counterfeiting Group, which represents most of the brands under attack by counterfeiters, said: “Counterfeiters gear up for Christmas like legitimate manufacturers and retailers. Most fakes are still made overseas and once they enter the country millions of pounds worth of counterfeits appear for sale at markets, discount stores, car boot sales and on the internet.

“Everyone loves a bargain, but consumers need to know that behind every fake is a complex chain of criminals and fraudsters with one aim – to part you from your cash and use it to fund more serious organised crime.”

Fake goods - the numbers

• Some 238,000 counterfeit goods, totalling £11.7m, has been detained by UK Border Force officers at Southampton Docks this year.

• Imports of fake goods cost the country’s economy around £1.3bn a year.

• Items detained at Southampton Docks included 580 Louis Vuitton bags, 400 Louis Vuitton branded belts, more than 22,000 branded sunglasses, and 2,000 items of fake jewellery.

• The UK Border Force detained more than 32,000 consignments of Intellectual Property infringing goods in postal traffic, and more than 1,300 consignments in air and sea cargo, fast parcel and vehicle traffic.

• Border Force officers operate 24 hours a day at the port.

• Intellectual property owners – the brand manufacturers – have ten days to decide what to do with a detained haul of fake goods.

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10:11am Sat 7 Dec 13

The Wickham Man says...

I bet the cringeing Cameron didn't mention the healthy Chinese export market to the UK in counterfeit goods as he say there politely while being insulted by Chinese officials. I bet he didn;t mention the huge Chinese state sponsored internet hacking attacks against western companies either. I bet he didn't mention the Chinese sponsored industrial espionage and spying against western technology companies either. What exactly did he mention? Ah yes, Cleggy's "Human RIghts" again. Yes - that's the way to bring the jobs rolling back to Britain isn't it. Still if the Guardian are happy.........
I bet the cringeing Cameron didn't mention the healthy Chinese export market to the UK in counterfeit goods as he say there politely while being insulted by Chinese officials. I bet he didn;t mention the huge Chinese state sponsored internet hacking attacks against western companies either. I bet he didn't mention the Chinese sponsored industrial espionage and spying against western technology companies either. What exactly did he mention? Ah yes, Cleggy's "Human RIghts" again. Yes - that's the way to bring the jobs rolling back to Britain isn't it. Still if the Guardian are happy......... The Wickham Man

10:11am Sat 7 Dec 13

peenut81 says...

This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies. peenut81

11:25am Sat 7 Dec 13

southy says...

peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods southy

12:32pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ! Cyber__Fug

1:04pm Sat 7 Dec 13

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks southy

1:35pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ! Cyber__Fug

1:45pm Sat 7 Dec 13

southy says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ![/p][/quote]I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone southy

1:56pm Sat 7 Dec 13

gilbertratchet says...

southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone
What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ![/p][/quote]I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone[/p][/quote]What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products. gilbertratchet

2:17pm Sat 7 Dec 13

southy says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone
What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.
No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ![/p][/quote]I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone[/p][/quote]What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.[/p][/quote]No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled southy

2:47pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Sir Ad E Noid says...

southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone
What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.
No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled
So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ![/p][/quote]I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone[/p][/quote]What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.[/p][/quote]No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled[/p][/quote]So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it. Sir Ad E Noid

2:56pm Sat 7 Dec 13

bigfella777 says...

As if to suggest that the real products are of superior quality, eg Converse trainers are made in USA or that Dre headphones are really worth £250 because they are not made in the far east in a sweatshop like the fake ones.
It's a global scam design something in USA then get it made by peasant workers in China like Apple.
If the products are fake then how on earth can they be worth 11.7 million? Surely they must be worthless as they do not represent the real product.
And like others say these companies don't pay tax in the UK anyway so sod them.
As if to suggest that the real products are of superior quality, eg Converse trainers are made in USA or that Dre headphones are really worth £250 because they are not made in the far east in a sweatshop like the fake ones. It's a global scam design something in USA then get it made by peasant workers in China like Apple. If the products are fake then how on earth can they be worth 11.7 million? Surely they must be worthless as they do not represent the real product. And like others say these companies don't pay tax in the UK anyway so sod them. bigfella777

3:13pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Old Man of the Sea says...

Southy: I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone

Several errors.
1. Crew members are allowed a certain amount of Duty Free tobacco product, for their personal use only. On the day that they pay off, and only that day, they are allowed to take home the traveller's allowance (200 cig or equivalent in rolling/pipe tobacco). It is illegal to sell their allowance to anyone. If they do, the goods can be confiscated and a fine can be made as well as the appropriate duty being charged.
2. Bonded stores are not welded shut. They are locked and a Customs seal is placed to detect the door being opened. This is to allow the normal weekly issue of duty free allowance.
3. There is no restriction on meat, on or off the bone. The only time this was done was 1960/70's by the Americans when transiting US ports.
Southy: I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone Several errors. 1. Crew members are allowed a certain amount of Duty Free tobacco product, for their personal use only. On the day that they pay off, and only that day, they are allowed to take home the traveller's allowance (200 cig or equivalent in rolling/pipe tobacco). It is illegal to sell their allowance to anyone. If they do, the goods can be confiscated and a fine can be made as well as the appropriate duty being charged. 2. Bonded stores are not welded shut. They are locked and a Customs seal is placed to detect the door being opened. This is to allow the normal weekly issue of duty free allowance. 3. There is no restriction on meat, on or off the bone. The only time this was done was 1960/70's by the Americans when transiting US ports. Old Man of the Sea

3:17pm Sat 7 Dec 13

southy says...

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone
What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.
No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled
So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.
If you come into the country from another country you are allowed a certain amount of duty free, what you do with the duty free is up to you after you enter the country
[quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ![/p][/quote]I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone[/p][/quote]What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.[/p][/quote]No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled[/p][/quote]So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.[/p][/quote]If you come into the country from another country you are allowed a certain amount of duty free, what you do with the duty free is up to you after you enter the country southy

3:28pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Old Man of the Sea says...

southy wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone
What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.
No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled
So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.
If you come into the country from another country you are allowed a certain amount of duty free, what you do with the duty free is up to you after you enter the country
Wrong. The Duty Free allowance is for the personal use of the person bringing in the Duty Free products. If you sell it onward, you are committing a criminal act of defrauding HMC and E.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ![/p][/quote]I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone[/p][/quote]What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.[/p][/quote]No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled[/p][/quote]So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.[/p][/quote]If you come into the country from another country you are allowed a certain amount of duty free, what you do with the duty free is up to you after you enter the country[/p][/quote]Wrong. The Duty Free allowance is for the personal use of the person bringing in the Duty Free products. If you sell it onward, you are committing a criminal act of defrauding HMC and E. Old Man of the Sea

7:30pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Sir Ad E Noid says...

southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone
What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.
No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled
So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ![/p][/quote]I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone[/p][/quote]What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.[/p][/quote]No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled[/p][/quote]So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it. Sir Ad E Noid

11:40am Sun 8 Dec 13

southy says...

Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone
What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.
No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled
So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.
No he/she is trying to put words into my mouth, there is a clear line between Duty free and smuggling, And if for one moment they think I buy such goods, then they should go and ask where the shop buys there tobacco from (I no longer buy from Kendal ave shops as they no longer sales my tobacco, I now get my tobacco from Windermere or Windrush shops, if they or any one else would like to check up on it) or are they accusing the shops of such acts
[quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ![/p][/quote]I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone[/p][/quote]What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.[/p][/quote]No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled[/p][/quote]So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.[/p][/quote]No he/she is trying to put words into my mouth, there is a clear line between Duty free and smuggling, And if for one moment they think I buy such goods, then they should go and ask where the shop buys there tobacco from (I no longer buy from Kendal ave shops as they no longer sales my tobacco, I now get my tobacco from Windermere or Windrush shops, if they or any one else would like to check up on it) or are they accusing the shops of such acts southy

12:05pm Sun 8 Dec 13

southy says...

Old Man of the Sea wrote:
Southy: I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone

Several errors.
1. Crew members are allowed a certain amount of Duty Free tobacco product, for their personal use only. On the day that they pay off, and only that day, they are allowed to take home the traveller's allowance (200 cig or equivalent in rolling/pipe tobacco). It is illegal to sell their allowance to anyone. If they do, the goods can be confiscated and a fine can be made as well as the appropriate duty being charged.
2. Bonded stores are not welded shut. They are locked and a Customs seal is placed to detect the door being opened. This is to allow the normal weekly issue of duty free allowance.
3. There is no restriction on meat, on or off the bone. The only time this was done was 1960/70's by the Americans when transiting US ports.
Its not illegal to sale, its illegal to sale at a profit, you are also allowed to give them away or exchange at an equal price amount, also its not when they are paid off the ship, its for while that ship is in that port, A custom seal is a wield, there is no weekly issues its only 1 allotment, There are restrictions on meat on the bone, any meat that comes in bulk is accompanied with a health report any meat on the bone with out a health report is lock up and not used, this is because of Foot and mouth can be transmitted though bone.
[quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: Southy: I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone Several errors. 1. Crew members are allowed a certain amount of Duty Free tobacco product, for their personal use only. On the day that they pay off, and only that day, they are allowed to take home the traveller's allowance (200 cig or equivalent in rolling/pipe tobacco). It is illegal to sell their allowance to anyone. If they do, the goods can be confiscated and a fine can be made as well as the appropriate duty being charged. 2. Bonded stores are not welded shut. They are locked and a Customs seal is placed to detect the door being opened. This is to allow the normal weekly issue of duty free allowance. 3. There is no restriction on meat, on or off the bone. The only time this was done was 1960/70's by the Americans when transiting US ports.[/p][/quote]Its not illegal to sale, its illegal to sale at a profit, you are also allowed to give them away or exchange at an equal price amount, also its not when they are paid off the ship, its for while that ship is in that port, A custom seal is a wield, there is no weekly issues its only 1 allotment, There are restrictions on meat on the bone, any meat that comes in bulk is accompanied with a health report any meat on the bone with out a health report is lock up and not used, this is because of Foot and mouth can be transmitted though bone. southy

12:16pm Sun 8 Dec 13

southy says...

Old Man of the Sea wrote:
southy wrote:
Sir Ad E Noid wrote:
southy wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
peenut81 wrote:
This article is full of bull.
The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway.
Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.
The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods
It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal !
You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks
I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy !
I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone
What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.
No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled
So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.
If you come into the country from another country you are allowed a certain amount of duty free, what you do with the duty free is up to you after you enter the country
Wrong. The Duty Free allowance is for the personal use of the person bringing in the Duty Free products. If you sell it onward, you are committing a criminal act of defrauding HMC and E.
No it is not, you can not sale at a profit, you are allowed to bring in certain amount of duty free, you can afterwards give them away to people, you can sale them at the same price you got them for or you can exchange them for an equal amount in price.
And should you leave the country again and return back with in 7 days your not allowed any duty free, there must be a 7 day clearance off passing though customs with duty frees
[quote][p][bold]Old Man of the Sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Ad E Noid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: This article is full of bull. The cost to the country is nowhere near as much as suggested because the big ticket corporations that make the 'genuine' products DO NOT pay tax in the UK anyway. Worth noting that both the companies interviewed here use female spokespeople to justify their monopolistic behaviour so as to soften the image of these parasitic, employee exploiting offshore based holding companies.[/p][/quote]The Corporations do not even make the goods in this country, they are made in paid slavery conditions and yet they over charge for there goods unlike the counterfeit it is sold cheap and often better made goods[/p][/quote]It's no different to people buying cheap, duty free tobacco from the docks..... It's on s smaller scale but still illegal ![/p][/quote]You can not buy duty free tobacco from the docks[/p][/quote]I know that ...... But there been plenty of people buying them from the crew in the past hasn't there Southy ![/p][/quote]I expect so, but I am not going to surmise about if there as or as not been and if that happens then its is legal a ships crew member is only allowed the allotted amount of duty free stuff though to country that they are dock at, customs check ships for bonded goods and any bonded goods that,s for the crew is kept in a wielded up strong room and the same happens to any meat thats is on the bone[/p][/quote]What he's saying is, you're well-known for buying smuggled tobacco products.[/p][/quote]No your saying that no one else is, and duty free is not smuggled[/p][/quote]So he is saying, that you say, that the duty free gaspers, that he says, and you agree with, are for sale, but not in the Docks, but he says you can get it, and you know it. Got it.[/p][/quote]If you come into the country from another country you are allowed a certain amount of duty free, what you do with the duty free is up to you after you enter the country[/p][/quote]Wrong. The Duty Free allowance is for the personal use of the person bringing in the Duty Free products. If you sell it onward, you are committing a criminal act of defrauding HMC and E.[/p][/quote]No it is not, you can not sale at a profit, you are allowed to bring in certain amount of duty free, you can afterwards give them away to people, you can sale them at the same price you got them for or you can exchange them for an equal amount in price. And should you leave the country again and return back with in 7 days your not allowed any duty free, there must be a 7 day clearance off passing though customs with duty frees southy

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