Bid to protect city pubs gets setback

Daily Echo: Bid to protect city pubs gets setback Bid to protect city pubs gets setback

CIVIC chiefs in Southampton have suffered a setback in their bid to protect city pubs.

The Government has rebuffed their request for a change in the law which would have made it more difficult to convert pubs into shops and takeaways.

But despite the blow, council leader Simon Letts says the authority is looking at fresh avenues to prevent pubs across the city from disappearing.

In recent years The Castle in Midanbury, The Anchor and Hope in Freemantle, The Bulls Eye in Sholing and The Woodman in Lordswood have all closed and been replaced with shops or takeaways.

Cllr Letts wanted the Government to change the law to make sure pubs cannot be converted into takeaways or supermarkets without planning permission and community consultation. But the council has now received a letter back from Communities Secretary Eric Pickles’ department stating that the law will not be changed.

Cllr Letts said: “We are disappointed by the response but it’s a predictable response from Government.

“We are disappointed they haven’t done their bit to protect community pubs, but we have another avenue we are now pursuing.”

That avenue is to use planning law known as an Article 4 Direction to ensure planning applications are needed for any proposed pub conversion.

However, even if they can be used, the Communities Secretary, would still have powers to modify or cancel any Article 4 Directions.

Officers have been instructed to look into the possibility of using Article 4 Directions and report back to council bosses.

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6:38am Thu 19 Dec 13

aldermoorboy says...

Let the public decide. Letts get on with running the council, fix traffic problems, get our council tax down to help hard working families.
Vote Tory for honest councillors in 2014.
Let the public decide. Letts get on with running the council, fix traffic problems, get our council tax down to help hard working families. Vote Tory for honest councillors in 2014. aldermoorboy

6:52am Thu 19 Dec 13

skeptik says...

Pubs into shops or ancient building into pubs - like algebra you believe councils are probably necessary but damned difficult to understand. Civic chiefs - really? Promoted from 'public servants ' then up there at the 'directorate' - off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break are they? Time for change whatever party supported the system needs the axe - councils changed everything from 'public property' to private property and act as though it belongs to them - it will change again. First we not allow unelected 'officials' to make major decisions without elected oversight. Too much power in the hands of the wrong people.
Pubs into shops or ancient building into pubs - like algebra you believe councils are probably necessary but damned difficult to understand. Civic chiefs - really? Promoted from 'public servants ' then up there at the 'directorate' - off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break are they? Time for change whatever party supported the system needs the axe - councils changed everything from 'public property' to private property and act as though it belongs to them - it will change again. First we not allow unelected 'officials' to make major decisions without elected oversight. Too much power in the hands of the wrong people. skeptik

7:10am Thu 19 Dec 13

roofspace says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Let the public decide. Letts get on with running the council, fix traffic problems, get our council tax down to help hard working families.
Vote Tory for honest councillors in 2014.
''The Conservative Party is not a party but a conspiracy … the great vested interests banded together in a formidable federation; corruption at home, aggression to cover it up abroad, the trickery of tariff juggles, the tyranny of a party machine, sentiment by the bucketful, patriotism by the imperial pint, the open hand at the public Exchequer, the open door at the public house, dear food for the million, cheap labour for the millionaire … the Conservative Party is nothing less than a deliberate attempt on the part of important sections of the propertied classes to transfer their burdens to the shoulders of the masses of the people and to claim greater profits for the investment of their capital by charging higher prices."
-Winston Churchill
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Let the public decide. Letts get on with running the council, fix traffic problems, get our council tax down to help hard working families. Vote Tory for honest councillors in 2014.[/p][/quote]''The Conservative Party is not a party but a conspiracy … the great vested interests banded together in a formidable federation; corruption at home, aggression to cover it up abroad, the trickery of tariff juggles, the tyranny of a party machine, sentiment by the bucketful, patriotism by the imperial pint, the open hand at the public Exchequer, the open door at the public house, dear food for the million, cheap labour for the millionaire … the Conservative Party is nothing less than a deliberate attempt on the part of important sections of the propertied classes to transfer their burdens to the shoulders of the masses of the people and to claim greater profits for the investment of their capital by charging higher prices." -Winston Churchill roofspace

7:30am Thu 19 Dec 13

roofspace says...

skeptik wrote:
Pubs into shops or ancient building into pubs - like algebra you believe councils are probably necessary but damned difficult to understand. Civic chiefs - really? Promoted from 'public servants ' then up there at the 'directorate' - off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break are they? Time for change whatever party supported the system needs the axe - councils changed everything from 'public property' to private property and act as though it belongs to them - it will change again. First we not allow unelected 'officials' to make major decisions without elected oversight. Too much power in the hands of the wrong people.
"off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break" are they?
What sort of altered reality do you live in that is run by Eastern Europeans!!
The last time I looked we live in a Capitalist society which is run by private enterprise (NHS (by stealth), Prisons, Roads, Trains, Airlines, Buses, Coaches, Gas, Water, Electric, Radio, Television, Telephones, Royal Mail, National Lottery et al) for profit which only benefits the 1% of society whose sole ambition in life is greed and self-interest.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Pubs into shops or ancient building into pubs - like algebra you believe councils are probably necessary but damned difficult to understand. Civic chiefs - really? Promoted from 'public servants ' then up there at the 'directorate' - off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break are they? Time for change whatever party supported the system needs the axe - councils changed everything from 'public property' to private property and act as though it belongs to them - it will change again. First we not allow unelected 'officials' to make major decisions without elected oversight. Too much power in the hands of the wrong people.[/p][/quote]"off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break" are they? What sort of altered reality do you live in that is run by Eastern Europeans!! The last time I looked we live in a Capitalist society which is run by private enterprise (NHS (by stealth), Prisons, Roads, Trains, Airlines, Buses, Coaches, Gas, Water, Electric, Radio, Television, Telephones, Royal Mail, National Lottery et al) for profit which only benefits the 1% of society whose sole ambition in life is greed and self-interest. roofspace

7:36am Thu 19 Dec 13

Quentin Heslop says...

What is the council trying to achieve? If a pub is successful and making money it will stay. If it's not being used and unprofitable, an alternative use will be sought. Deny planning permission and end up with an empty building plus costs to the council in defending an inevitable Appeal.
What is the council trying to achieve? If a pub is successful and making money it will stay. If it's not being used and unprofitable, an alternative use will be sought. Deny planning permission and end up with an empty building plus costs to the council in defending an inevitable Appeal. Quentin Heslop

8:01am Thu 19 Dec 13

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

roofspace wrote:
skeptik wrote:
Pubs into shops or ancient building into pubs - like algebra you believe councils are probably necessary but damned difficult to understand. Civic chiefs - really? Promoted from 'public servants ' then up there at the 'directorate' - off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break are they? Time for change whatever party supported the system needs the axe - councils changed everything from 'public property' to private property and act as though it belongs to them - it will change again. First we not allow unelected 'officials' to make major decisions without elected oversight. Too much power in the hands of the wrong people.
"off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break" are they?
What sort of altered reality do you live in that is run by Eastern Europeans!!
The last time I looked we live in a Capitalist society which is run by private enterprise (NHS (by stealth), Prisons, Roads, Trains, Airlines, Buses, Coaches, Gas, Water, Electric, Radio, Television, Telephones, Royal Mail, National Lottery et al) for profit which only benefits the 1% of society whose sole ambition in life is greed and self-interest.
too right ,private corporations all ,profit,always the bottom line ,a council up north ceased to excist in 2008 and still raking in council tax from the gullible public , beyond parody.
[quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Pubs into shops or ancient building into pubs - like algebra you believe councils are probably necessary but damned difficult to understand. Civic chiefs - really? Promoted from 'public servants ' then up there at the 'directorate' - off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break are they? Time for change whatever party supported the system needs the axe - councils changed everything from 'public property' to private property and act as though it belongs to them - it will change again. First we not allow unelected 'officials' to make major decisions without elected oversight. Too much power in the hands of the wrong people.[/p][/quote]"off to the state owned (probably on the cards) Dacha for the Xmas break" are they? What sort of altered reality do you live in that is run by Eastern Europeans!! The last time I looked we live in a Capitalist society which is run by private enterprise (NHS (by stealth), Prisons, Roads, Trains, Airlines, Buses, Coaches, Gas, Water, Electric, Radio, Television, Telephones, Royal Mail, National Lottery et al) for profit which only benefits the 1% of society whose sole ambition in life is greed and self-interest.[/p][/quote]too right ,private corporations all ,profit,always the bottom line ,a council up north ceased to excist in 2008 and still raking in council tax from the gullible public , beyond parody. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

8:08am Thu 19 Dec 13

tootle says...

First we want to force them to stay open as pubs whether they make a profit or not, then we want to levy some of them to pay for policing the drunks in the town centre whether they make a profit or not. Really joined up thinking here!.

Sorry but whichever and whaever and whatever you support the current Council(and most of it's predecessors) are unfathomable.
First we want to force them to stay open as pubs whether they make a profit or not, then we want to levy some of them to pay for policing the drunks in the town centre whether they make a profit or not. Really joined up thinking here!. Sorry but whichever and whaever and whatever you support the current Council(and most of it's predecessors) are unfathomable. tootle

12:55pm Thu 19 Dec 13

kiddynamite says...

close all the pubs and clubs in Southampton, Most of them are dives anyway. Alcohol leads to the dark side!!!! Close them all and open coffee shops!!!
close all the pubs and clubs in Southampton, Most of them are dives anyway. Alcohol leads to the dark side!!!! Close them all and open coffee shops!!! kiddynamite

1:27pm Thu 19 Dec 13

George4th says...

roofspace wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Let the public decide. Letts get on with running the council, fix traffic problems, get our council tax down to help hard working families.
Vote Tory for honest councillors in 2014.
''The Conservative Party is not a party but a conspiracy … the great vested interests banded together in a formidable federation; corruption at home, aggression to cover it up abroad, the trickery of tariff juggles, the tyranny of a party machine, sentiment by the bucketful, patriotism by the imperial pint, the open hand at the public Exchequer, the open door at the public house, dear food for the million, cheap labour for the millionaire … the Conservative Party is nothing less than a deliberate attempt on the part of important sections of the propertied classes to transfer their burdens to the shoulders of the masses of the people and to claim greater profits for the investment of their capital by charging higher prices."
-Winston Churchill
OMG! A quote from 1904 often trotted out by the lemmings within the Labour Party!

Reeks of Desperation!
[quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Let the public decide. Letts get on with running the council, fix traffic problems, get our council tax down to help hard working families. Vote Tory for honest councillors in 2014.[/p][/quote]''The Conservative Party is not a party but a conspiracy … the great vested interests banded together in a formidable federation; corruption at home, aggression to cover it up abroad, the trickery of tariff juggles, the tyranny of a party machine, sentiment by the bucketful, patriotism by the imperial pint, the open hand at the public Exchequer, the open door at the public house, dear food for the million, cheap labour for the millionaire … the Conservative Party is nothing less than a deliberate attempt on the part of important sections of the propertied classes to transfer their burdens to the shoulders of the masses of the people and to claim greater profits for the investment of their capital by charging higher prices." -Winston Churchill[/p][/quote]OMG! A quote from 1904 often trotted out by the lemmings within the Labour Party! Reeks of Desperation! George4th

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