Call for compromise as another fire strike looms

Daily Echo: Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service attending a blaze in Southampton Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service attending a blaze in Southampton

FIND a compromise before a tragedy happens.

That’s the plea to Hampshire fire crews and Government bosses ahead of a controversial walkout on New Year’s Eve.

Firefighters are being urged to scrap plans for industrial action on what will be one of the busiest nights of the year.

Members of the Fire Brigades Union (FBU) are due to go on strike for six hours tomorrow, despite fears that drink-fuelled parties could result in road accidents and house fires.

Across Hampshire only a limited number of firefighters will be on duty to deal with emergencies.

The far-from-festive end to 2013 is part of a long-running dispute between the FBU and the Government over changes to firefighters’ pensions.

Union bosses say the proposals are “unaffordable, unworkable and unfair”.

But last night Cllr Royston Smith, chairman of Hampshire Fire and Rescue Authority and former leader of Southampton City Council, called for a negotiated settlement.

He added: “Firefighters have a right to strike if they’re not happy about things but we’d prefer it if they didn’t.

“They’ve picked weekends, Christmas Eve and now New Year’s Eve. They seem to be choosing times when their walkouts will cause the most disruption.”

Fellow fire authority member Cllr David Harrison added: “I don’t think strike action has or will solve matters.

“I hope and pray that both sides will get back to the negotiation table with a willingness to compromise before a tragedy occurs through lack of fire cover.”

Other members of the authority accused the FBU of “escalating” the dispute by striking on New Year’s Eve.

Fire chiefs are urging people to do everything possible to stay safe – including placing adverts in newspapers including the Southern Daily Echo.

They say motorists should reduce their speed, party hosts should keep a close eye on their cooking and guests should stay in control.

Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service vowed that emergency calls would be answered on New Year’s Eve but warned that the response would be limited and might take longer than usual.

Assistant Chief Officer Neil Odin issued safety advice to the public.

He said: “If you are drinking then please don’t think about driving but grab a cab, and please make sure all Christmas lights are switched off and candles extinguished before you go to bed.”

The FBUhas defended the walkouts, saying changes to firefighters’ pensions were “unaffordable, unworkable and unfair”.

A spokesman said: “These strikes will remind the Government just how reliant they are on our members’ professionalism, commitment and flexibility.

“However, there should be no need for industrial action.

“It’s absurd that firefighters’ concerns over pensions have not been addressed already.”

• The New Year’s Eve strike is due to last from 6.30pm tomorrow to 12.30am on Wednesday.

•  MORE than 50 firefighters battled a blaze at a derelict building in a Hampshire town last night.

The fire broke out shortly before 5.30pm at a disused property in Grange Lane, Gosport.

Seven fire engines and crews from Gosport, Fareham, Portchester and Cosham fire stations were called to tackle the flames and drafted in an aerial ladder platform to help with the operation.

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12:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Lone Ranger. says...

But last night Cllr Royston Smith, chairman of Hampshire Fire and Rescue Authority and former leader of Southampton City Council, called for a negotiated settlement.
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With his experience and knowledge of negotiation !! ........ I suggest that would be a total failure ....... as his track record shows
But last night Cllr Royston Smith, chairman of Hampshire Fire and Rescue Authority and former leader of Southampton City Council, called for a negotiated settlement. . With his experience and knowledge of negotiation !! ........ I suggest that would be a total failure ....... as his track record shows Lone Ranger.

12:05pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Georgethepie says...

Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services.
Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming
Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services. Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming Georgethepie

12:58pm Mon 30 Dec 13

issacchunt says...

Georgethepie wrote:
Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services.
Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming
Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy.

Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us????

Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us.

your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more.
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services. Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming[/p][/quote]Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy. Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us???? Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us. your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more. issacchunt

1:05pm Mon 30 Dec 13

sarfhamton says...

I want older firemen, it will be cool to see firetrucks with Stannah Stairlifts and blokes going into burning building with zimmerframes!
I want older firemen, it will be cool to see firetrucks with Stannah Stairlifts and blokes going into burning building with zimmerframes! sarfhamton

1:29pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
But last night Cllr Royston Smith, chairman of Hampshire Fire and Rescue Authority and former leader of Southampton City Council, called for a negotiated settlement.
.
With his experience and knowledge of negotiation !! ........ I suggest that would be a total failure ....... as his track record shows
Agree with LR's basic point.

Even the season of goodwill has failed to persuade Tory Cllr. Royston Smith from aping late Maggie Thatcher.

Strangely at one time when Fire and Rescue Service was run by Hampshire County Council's Public Protection Committee, which was chaired by another Conservative Norman Best, although there were also some unresolved issues but FBU hardly ever had to consider industrial actions….. Why?..... Because dialogue as opposed to confrontation was the policy of the PPC.

As spokesperson of Labour on that committee I too found Norman Best very easy man to deal with, while openly disagreeing on many issues, in all fairness I can only say that he genuinely was sympathetic towards Fire fighters, and I never had to complain that as political opponent he tried to keep secrets from me, and I kept FBU fully informed.

Perhaps rather than trying to act male version of Maggie current Chairman of Fire Authority Cllr. Smith should be trying to learn a little bit from the records of late Cllr. Norman Best and now defunct Public Protection Committee, whose members did not pocket thousands of pounds for doing the same job plus much more for very little, and stop being buddies with and depending upon the advice typically unreliable Liberal Democrats like Cllr. Harrison even Smithy will find that FBU people are very reasonable and easy to deal with.

If rather than making these so called appeals to FBU for only public relations, Chairman and other members of Fire Authority give up their arrogance and try to talk to the representatives of FBU in proper civilised manner and listen to Fire Fighters serious concerns with open minds, I have no doubt that they will get reasonable response from the FBU. SO PLEASE STOP PUSHING YOUR LUCK WITH FBU
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: But last night Cllr Royston Smith, chairman of Hampshire Fire and Rescue Authority and former leader of Southampton City Council, called for a negotiated settlement. . With his experience and knowledge of negotiation !! ........ I suggest that would be a total failure ....... as his track record shows[/p][/quote]Agree with LR's basic point. Even the season of goodwill has failed to persuade Tory Cllr. Royston Smith from aping late Maggie Thatcher. Strangely at one time when Fire and Rescue Service was run by Hampshire County Council's Public Protection Committee, which was chaired by another Conservative Norman Best, although there were also some unresolved issues but FBU hardly ever had to consider industrial actions….. Why?..... Because dialogue as opposed to confrontation was the policy of the PPC. As spokesperson of Labour on that committee I too found Norman Best very easy man to deal with, while openly disagreeing on many issues, in all fairness I can only say that he genuinely was sympathetic towards Fire fighters, and I never had to complain that as political opponent he tried to keep secrets from me, and I kept FBU fully informed. Perhaps rather than trying to act male version of Maggie current Chairman of Fire Authority Cllr. Smith should be trying to learn a little bit from the records of late Cllr. Norman Best and now defunct Public Protection Committee, whose members did not pocket thousands of pounds for doing the same job plus much more for very little, and stop being buddies with and depending upon the advice typically unreliable Liberal Democrats like Cllr. Harrison even Smithy will find that FBU people are very reasonable and easy to deal with. If rather than making these so called appeals to FBU for only public relations, Chairman and other members of Fire Authority give up their arrogance and try to talk to the representatives of FBU in proper civilised manner and listen to Fire Fighters serious concerns with open minds, I have no doubt that they will get reasonable response from the FBU. SO PLEASE STOP PUSHING YOUR LUCK WITH FBU Paramjit Bahia

1:51pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

Georgethepie wrote:
Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services.
Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming
Yes police should not be treated badly either, but why they are also on the receiving end of establishment like all other workers?

It is because the mind sets of most (if not all) the workers in the Police and their so called Federation.

They tend to believe that they are something special and not people who do a decent job like any other group of people, and their so called Federation rather than coordinating with other trade unions, encourages its members to be pro right wing establishment the bosses etc and to not only intimidate the trade union members, protestors against wars and unfair laws but often even to beat the hell out of them; as they did to the miners to force Thatcher's policies upon mining communities.

Police Federation should learn from unions like the FBU, which is member of the TUC but to the best of my knowledge does not contribute to any major political party.
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services. Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming[/p][/quote]Yes police should not be treated badly either, but why they are also on the receiving end of establishment like all other workers? It is because the mind sets of most (if not all) the workers in the Police and their so called Federation. They tend to believe that they are something special and not people who do a decent job like any other group of people, and their so called Federation rather than coordinating with other trade unions, encourages its members to be pro right wing establishment the bosses etc and to not only intimidate the trade union members, protestors against wars and unfair laws but often even to beat the hell out of them; as they did to the miners to force Thatcher's policies upon mining communities. Police Federation should learn from unions like the FBU, which is member of the TUC but to the best of my knowledge does not contribute to any major political party. Paramjit Bahia

3:37pm Mon 30 Dec 13

loosehead says...

When not needed they can exercise or sleep on night shift or even on days yet one guy complained he'd lose time with his family if he went to the gym?
So what does he think the rest of us do? get time off to go to the gym?
A Fire person knows they have to keep up their levels of fitness all their working career yet they expect us to be on their side when they go on strike putting our lifes at risk so they don't work until 6-8years less than us?
If they're saying they don't want to go to the gym in their own time fine don't apply for the job.
I know the forces have fitness tests & if you fail it your in big trouble so why do the FBU expect this to be different for fire fighters?
If a paramedic can't get into an ambulance because they're to fat they're not capable of doing their job so goodbye!
no matter what age certain jobs you are expected to keep to a certain level of fitness so you can do your job & is 60 to old to retire? how many 60 year olds would agree with that who have at least 6 more years to do?
I hope above all hopes no life's are lost on New Years Eve!
When not needed they can exercise or sleep on night shift or even on days yet one guy complained he'd lose time with his family if he went to the gym? So what does he think the rest of us do? get time off to go to the gym? A Fire person knows they have to keep up their levels of fitness all their working career yet they expect us to be on their side when they go on strike putting our lifes at risk so they don't work until 6-8years less than us? If they're saying they don't want to go to the gym in their own time fine don't apply for the job. I know the forces have fitness tests & if you fail it your in big trouble so why do the FBU expect this to be different for fire fighters? If a paramedic can't get into an ambulance because they're to fat they're not capable of doing their job so goodbye! no matter what age certain jobs you are expected to keep to a certain level of fitness so you can do your job & is 60 to old to retire? how many 60 year olds would agree with that who have at least 6 more years to do? I hope above all hopes no life's are lost on New Years Eve! loosehead

7:10pm Mon 30 Dec 13

issacchunt says...

Parmi bahia, so are you supporting this strike? Do you support the innocent public being left in danger, during an earlier firefighters strike this month a man died from a fire in London. Will you still support the strike if this happens here tomorrow night.

the FBU only ever go for the jugular, they could work to rule etc but no, strike. The world is changing, the good times have gone and retirement at 50 is not right. How can society pay a full pension to people for 30 or 40 years after they retire.

people, if the FBU win it'll be council tax etc constantly rising
to pay for very fit 51 year olds to start second careers in between golf days.
Parmi bahia, so are you supporting this strike? Do you support the innocent public being left in danger, during an earlier firefighters strike this month a man died from a fire in London. Will you still support the strike if this happens here tomorrow night. the FBU only ever go for the jugular, they could work to rule etc but no, strike. The world is changing, the good times have gone and retirement at 50 is not right. How can society pay a full pension to people for 30 or 40 years after they retire. people, if the FBU win it'll be council tax etc constantly rising to pay for very fit 51 year olds to start second careers in between golf days. issacchunt

12:47am Tue 31 Dec 13

Georgethepie says...

issacchunt wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services.
Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming
Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy.

Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us????

Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us.

your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more.
If you read my post again you will see that I'm saying its a shame the police force can't do the same. Now for obvious reasons we all know why they can't but they are being hit all the same do your homework if you don't believe.

As for the fire fighters in the last few years we have had a number of fires in tower blocks. Do you really think men and women in there 60s can deal with situations like this. In a perfect world it would be nice however we don't live in a perfect world and when you put your body through the extremes firefighters do on a regular basis it has long term health effects hence the earlier retirement age.

And for your information I don't agree in unions but then i don't agree in MPs taking the tax payer for a ride either. Given the choice I would rather my taxes went towards giving frontline personnel a decent wage with a decent pension god knows they deserve it.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services. Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming[/p][/quote]Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy. Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us???? Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us. your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more.[/p][/quote]If you read my post again you will see that I'm saying its a shame the police force can't do the same. Now for obvious reasons we all know why they can't but they are being hit all the same do your homework if you don't believe. As for the fire fighters in the last few years we have had a number of fires in tower blocks. Do you really think men and women in there 60s can deal with situations like this. In a perfect world it would be nice however we don't live in a perfect world and when you put your body through the extremes firefighters do on a regular basis it has long term health effects hence the earlier retirement age. And for your information I don't agree in unions but then i don't agree in MPs taking the tax payer for a ride either. Given the choice I would rather my taxes went towards giving frontline personnel a decent wage with a decent pension god knows they deserve it. Georgethepie

8:15am Tue 31 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Georgethepie wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services.
Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming
Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy.

Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us????

Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us.

your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more.
If you read my post again you will see that I'm saying its a shame the police force can't do the same. Now for obvious reasons we all know why they can't but they are being hit all the same do your homework if you don't believe.

As for the fire fighters in the last few years we have had a number of fires in tower blocks. Do you really think men and women in there 60s can deal with situations like this. In a perfect world it would be nice however we don't live in a perfect world and when you put your body through the extremes firefighters do on a regular basis it has long term health effects hence the earlier retirement age.

And for your information I don't agree in unions but then i don't agree in MPs taking the tax payer for a ride either. Given the choice I would rather my taxes went towards giving frontline personnel a decent wage with a decent pension god knows they deserve it.
again quotes about it being to hard for 60 year olds? so who mans the pumps? who mans the platform?
look are you trying to say there are no jobs a 59 year old can do in the fire service?
just remember they can retire at 60 so aren't actually working when they're 60+!
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services. Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming[/p][/quote]Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy. Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us???? Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us. your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more.[/p][/quote]If you read my post again you will see that I'm saying its a shame the police force can't do the same. Now for obvious reasons we all know why they can't but they are being hit all the same do your homework if you don't believe. As for the fire fighters in the last few years we have had a number of fires in tower blocks. Do you really think men and women in there 60s can deal with situations like this. In a perfect world it would be nice however we don't live in a perfect world and when you put your body through the extremes firefighters do on a regular basis it has long term health effects hence the earlier retirement age. And for your information I don't agree in unions but then i don't agree in MPs taking the tax payer for a ride either. Given the choice I would rather my taxes went towards giving frontline personnel a decent wage with a decent pension god knows they deserve it.[/p][/quote]again quotes about it being to hard for 60 year olds? so who mans the pumps? who mans the platform? look are you trying to say there are no jobs a 59 year old can do in the fire service? just remember they can retire at 60 so aren't actually working when they're 60+! loosehead

5:02pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Georgethepie says...

loosehead wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services.
Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming
Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy.

Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us????

Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us.

your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more.
If you read my post again you will see that I'm saying its a shame the police force can't do the same. Now for obvious reasons we all know why they can't but they are being hit all the same do your homework if you don't believe.

As for the fire fighters in the last few years we have had a number of fires in tower blocks. Do you really think men and women in there 60s can deal with situations like this. In a perfect world it would be nice however we don't live in a perfect world and when you put your body through the extremes firefighters do on a regular basis it has long term health effects hence the earlier retirement age.

And for your information I don't agree in unions but then i don't agree in MPs taking the tax payer for a ride either. Given the choice I would rather my taxes went towards giving frontline personnel a decent wage with a decent pension god knows they deserve it.
again quotes about it being to hard for 60 year olds? so who mans the pumps? who mans the platform?
look are you trying to say there are no jobs a 59 year old can do in the fire service?
just remember they can retire at 60 so aren't actually working when they're 60+!
So your telling us this isn't a hard job are you. A firefighter needs to be able to perform all tasks required of him or her. So do you expect him or her to turn around and say sorry I'm over 50 so I'm staying with the pump you go in.
I'm sure EU numptys would have something to say about that.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services. Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming[/p][/quote]Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy. Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us???? Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us. your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more.[/p][/quote]If you read my post again you will see that I'm saying its a shame the police force can't do the same. Now for obvious reasons we all know why they can't but they are being hit all the same do your homework if you don't believe. As for the fire fighters in the last few years we have had a number of fires in tower blocks. Do you really think men and women in there 60s can deal with situations like this. In a perfect world it would be nice however we don't live in a perfect world and when you put your body through the extremes firefighters do on a regular basis it has long term health effects hence the earlier retirement age. And for your information I don't agree in unions but then i don't agree in MPs taking the tax payer for a ride either. Given the choice I would rather my taxes went towards giving frontline personnel a decent wage with a decent pension god knows they deserve it.[/p][/quote]again quotes about it being to hard for 60 year olds? so who mans the pumps? who mans the platform? look are you trying to say there are no jobs a 59 year old can do in the fire service? just remember they can retire at 60 so aren't actually working when they're 60+![/p][/quote]So your telling us this isn't a hard job are you. A firefighter needs to be able to perform all tasks required of him or her. So do you expect him or her to turn around and say sorry I'm over 50 so I'm staying with the pump you go in. I'm sure EU numptys would have something to say about that. Georgethepie

9:08pm Tue 31 Dec 13

loosehead says...

Georgethepie wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Georgethepie wrote:
Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services.
Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming
Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy.

Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us????

Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us.

your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more.
If you read my post again you will see that I'm saying its a shame the police force can't do the same. Now for obvious reasons we all know why they can't but they are being hit all the same do your homework if you don't believe.

As for the fire fighters in the last few years we have had a number of fires in tower blocks. Do you really think men and women in there 60s can deal with situations like this. In a perfect world it would be nice however we don't live in a perfect world and when you put your body through the extremes firefighters do on a regular basis it has long term health effects hence the earlier retirement age.

And for your information I don't agree in unions but then i don't agree in MPs taking the tax payer for a ride either. Given the choice I would rather my taxes went towards giving frontline personnel a decent wage with a decent pension god knows they deserve it.
again quotes about it being to hard for 60 year olds? so who mans the pumps? who mans the platform?
look are you trying to say there are no jobs a 59 year old can do in the fire service?
just remember they can retire at 60 so aren't actually working when they're 60+!
So your telling us this isn't a hard job are you. A firefighter needs to be able to perform all tasks required of him or her. So do you expect him or her to turn around and say sorry I'm over 50 so I'm staying with the pump you go in.
I'm sure EU numptys would have something to say about that.
So a soldier,Sailor,Airma
n,Police,Paramedic aren't doing hard jobs?
A Labourer on a building site can't say that's it I'm retiring at 50 can he?
If your saying this job has an age limit on when your still capable of doing it then why would you take the job?
is it so you can get a good pension at 50 & live a good life whilst most people are still working for another 16-18 years?
My job we would have been forced to retire at 60 but were made redundant at a lot younger some of us got early retirement but if not through redundancy we would have worked up to the required age so please explain how putting peoples lives at risk is justified because they don't want to work up until 60?
[quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgethepie[/bold] wrote: Well I'm all for them striking it's just a shame the police force can't do the same. It's about bloody time this goverment along with previous governments realised the damage they are doing to frontline services. Still I don't suppose MPs care after all they still have an 11% pay increase coming[/p][/quote]Just thoughtless rhetoric, Police striking would create total anarchy. Remember the firefighters are striking to protect us???? Unforgivable to strike and leave the public exposed I await the venom by return but most right thinking unemotional people know firefighters can work to 60. They are fitter than the average man and 60 is still 8 years younger than the rest of us. your militant union is damaging you year on year and the best you can hope for is a few sweetners but at what cost? You have lost the ridiculous age 50 retirement. Cake and eat iy no more.[/p][/quote]If you read my post again you will see that I'm saying its a shame the police force can't do the same. Now for obvious reasons we all know why they can't but they are being hit all the same do your homework if you don't believe. As for the fire fighters in the last few years we have had a number of fires in tower blocks. Do you really think men and women in there 60s can deal with situations like this. In a perfect world it would be nice however we don't live in a perfect world and when you put your body through the extremes firefighters do on a regular basis it has long term health effects hence the earlier retirement age. And for your information I don't agree in unions but then i don't agree in MPs taking the tax payer for a ride either. Given the choice I would rather my taxes went towards giving frontline personnel a decent wage with a decent pension god knows they deserve it.[/p][/quote]again quotes about it being to hard for 60 year olds? so who mans the pumps? who mans the platform? look are you trying to say there are no jobs a 59 year old can do in the fire service? just remember they can retire at 60 so aren't actually working when they're 60+![/p][/quote]So your telling us this isn't a hard job are you. A firefighter needs to be able to perform all tasks required of him or her. So do you expect him or her to turn around and say sorry I'm over 50 so I'm staying with the pump you go in. I'm sure EU numptys would have something to say about that.[/p][/quote]So a soldier,Sailor,Airma n,Police,Paramedic aren't doing hard jobs? A Labourer on a building site can't say that's it I'm retiring at 50 can he? If your saying this job has an age limit on when your still capable of doing it then why would you take the job? is it so you can get a good pension at 50 & live a good life whilst most people are still working for another 16-18 years? My job we would have been forced to retire at 60 but were made redundant at a lot younger some of us got early retirement but if not through redundancy we would have worked up to the required age so please explain how putting peoples lives at risk is justified because they don't want to work up until 60? loosehead

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