The mobile phone photograph that caught a burglar who terrorised community

Daily Echo: Andrew Wooff Andrew Wooff

THEY were indiscriminate in who they targeted but left all their victims feeling scared and vulnerable.

Andrew Wooff and Richard Vincent broke into homes across Southampton in the dead of night while families, couples and in one case an elderly great-grandmother lay sleeping.

The creeper-style burglaries left their victims traumatised, fearful and even afraid to sleep in their own beds months after the break-ins were committed.

Not only did he not care, but Wooff was even happy to pose Rambo-style with weapons he stole during one break-in – revelling in the notoriety of his crimes.

Daily Echo:

However, that was to prove to be a downfall after police seized his phone on which the photo had been taken, helpIng to secure his conviction.

Only recently released from prison and still on probation after previous burglary offences, the duo teamed up to target homes in the city stealing cash, jewellery, electrical goods and cars.

Today they are beginning significant prison terms after they were sentenced for the crime spree.

Wooff, 20, of Wharncliffe Road was given six years while Vincent, 23, from Drayton Road, Winchester, was handed a five-year term.

Daily Echo:

Prosecutor Daniel Sawyer described how the pair left crucial clues at the scenes of their crimes.

Initially the duo were charged with conspiracy to commit 24 burglaries in the space of a couple of months.

In court Wooff pleaded guilty to five burglaries, two charges of handling stolen goods and one charge of possession of ammunition by a prohibited person.

Vincent admitted four counts of burglary and two offences of handling stolen goods.

Daily Echo:

Southampton Crown Court heard how they both initially targeted a home on Glenfield Avenue in May, during which keys were taken from the home to the occupants’ Astra which was then driven to Stockbridge near Winchester.

There they then broke into another home where a mother and her teenage daughter lay sleeping.

A key breakthrough came the following month when the pair broke into a home in Dimond Road, where after taking an Xbox and games Wooff helped himself to some chicken from the fridge and a drink.

The mother who lived at the property with her two young sons noticed that a bottle of soft drink had been moved and when a swab was taken Wooff’s DNA was found on it.

Daily Echo:

Wooff also left a fingerprint at the scene of a break-in at a property in Weston. The 96-year old great-gran woke to find two men in her bedroom rifling through her jewellery box.

The victim’s helpline was cut and telephone handset removed to prevent her raising the alarm.

Days later Wooff broke into a home in Bryanston Road where he took a haul of weapons, including an air rifle, air pistol, ammunition and a machete.

Vincent was also convicted for a burglary at an address at Quob Farm Close where watches were taken – one of which was found at Wooff’s address.

There he was also found to have another watch which had been stolen from a burglary in Westrow Gardens.

Police also managed to link other handling offences by connecting various other break-ins and locations along with DNA and CCTV footage and failed attempts to take money from ATMs using stolen bank cards.

Mr Sawyer told the court the effect of the burglaries had led to victims fitting extra security to their homes, with one so badly affected he had a wall specifically built around it.

The court heard Wooff’s convictions started when he was aged 15 and due to a previous conviction of aggravated burglary in which weapons were used he had been classed as a “dangerous” person.

Gordon Carter, defending father-of-one Wooff, said after committing the offences on licence he had been recalled to the young offenders’ institution in Portland.

He told the judge: “There is a real danger if you pass a significant sentence, he will become institutionalised. If you don’t take a draconian attitude, he could be rehabilitated and come out on the other side.”

Charles Gabb, defending Vincent, said he conceded it was not a question of whether he would receive a custodial sentence – it was its length. Vincent claimed his role was that of a driver.

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4:39am Sat 4 Jan 14

Letitsnow says...

SCUM , SCUM
SCUM , SCUM Letitsnow

4:45am Sat 4 Jan 14

Lockssmart says...

Mr Vincent looks like he's been crying? Don't worry, they'll look after you in jail. Lol
Mr Vincent looks like he's been crying? Don't worry, they'll look after you in jail. Lol Lockssmart

7:29am Sat 4 Jan 14

Zexagon says...

Pair of gormless, scanky,spotty,smelly
,useless scum,but chin up lads summers coming
Pair of gormless, scanky,spotty,smelly ,useless scum,but chin up lads summers coming Zexagon

7:30am Sat 4 Jan 14

Zexagon says...

Oh and thick too
Oh and thick too Zexagon

7:34am Sat 4 Jan 14

Huey says...

What a shame there wasn't a tony Martin type to blast him in his spotty face with a shotgun.
What a shame there wasn't a tony Martin type to blast him in his spotty face with a shotgun. Huey

7:55am Sat 4 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on.
Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from?
Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?
The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one? Dai Rear

9:30am Sat 4 Jan 14

Linesman says...

Dai Rear wrote:
The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on.
Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from?
Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?
"Woof is clearly not an English name."

What about Barker? (Woof Woof)
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?[/p][/quote]"Woof is clearly not an English name." What about Barker? (Woof Woof) Linesman

9:42am Sat 4 Jan 14

thunderchild96 says...

This is why they should be a law which says we can blow a burglar head off if they breaks in to your house
This is why they should be a law which says we can blow a burglar head off if they breaks in to your house thunderchild96

10:22am Sat 4 Jan 14

For pity sake says...

thunderchild96 wrote:
This is why they should be a law which says we can blow a burglar head off if they breaks in to your house
There should also be a law which says posters with appalling grammar should be banned.
[quote][p][bold]thunderchild96[/bold] wrote: This is why they should be a law which says we can blow a burglar head off if they breaks in to your house[/p][/quote]There should also be a law which says posters with appalling grammar should be banned. For pity sake

10:38am Sat 4 Jan 14

Brock_and_Roll says...

Dai Rear wrote:
The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on.
Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from?
Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?
Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones

"Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart".

So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today!
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?[/p][/quote]Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones "Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart". So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today! Brock_and_Roll

12:10pm Sat 4 Jan 14

rightway says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on.
Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from?
Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?
Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones

"Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart".

So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today!
Was it worth the effort looking up historical names, just so you can be included in the smug and educated PC brigade.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?[/p][/quote]Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones "Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart". So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today![/p][/quote]Was it worth the effort looking up historical names, just so you can be included in the smug and educated PC brigade. rightway

12:17pm Sat 4 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

brain cell imports needed ,not many to start with.
brain cell imports needed ,not many to start with. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.

1:03pm Sat 4 Jan 14

befriendly says...

Given he'd only just been released from jail I'd say he has no intention of ever going straight, so the maximum sentence would have stopped him re offending for at least fourteen years. As it is he'll be out to re offend in two or three to start stealing again. Time for judges to be elected so we can weed out the weak ones. A thought to consider, do judges give short sentences to provide more work for the lawyers and would it be cheaper to keep crooks in jail rather than paying the costs of trying them.
Given he'd only just been released from jail I'd say he has no intention of ever going straight, so the maximum sentence would have stopped him re offending for at least fourteen years. As it is he'll be out to re offend in two or three to start stealing again. Time for judges to be elected so we can weed out the weak ones. A thought to consider, do judges give short sentences to provide more work for the lawyers and would it be cheaper to keep crooks in jail rather than paying the costs of trying them. befriendly

1:19pm Sat 4 Jan 14

imspacedout says...

For pity sake wrote:
thunderchild96 wrote:
This is why they should be a law which says we can blow a burglar head off if they breaks in to your house
There should also be a law which says posters with appalling grammar should be banned.
Maybe the poster with appalling grammar struggles with it and there should be a law banning people from mocking them. In fact, there should be no need for a law you could just learn some manners; everyone is entitled to their opinion.
[quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thunderchild96[/bold] wrote: This is why they should be a law which says we can blow a burglar head off if they breaks in to your house[/p][/quote]There should also be a law which says posters with appalling grammar should be banned.[/p][/quote]Maybe the poster with appalling grammar struggles with it and there should be a law banning people from mocking them. In fact, there should be no need for a law you could just learn some manners; everyone is entitled to their opinion. imspacedout

1:59pm Sat 4 Jan 14

florida saint says...

another good reason for living in florida, if low life like these two break into your house , you have the right to shoot them, the police will shake your hand and say thankyou. so sorry for the victims of this horrible crime.maybe they will be bottom of the food chain in prison...
another good reason for living in florida, if low life like these two break into your house , you have the right to shoot them, the police will shake your hand and say thankyou. so sorry for the victims of this horrible crime.maybe they will be bottom of the food chain in prison... florida saint

2:07pm Sat 4 Jan 14

cantthinkofone says...

rightway wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on.
Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from?
Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?
Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones

"Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart".

So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today!
Was it worth the effort looking up historical names, just so you can be included in the smug and educated PC brigade.
As he successfully used it to riducule Dai Rear's dogwhistle xenophobia I think it was time well spent.
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?[/p][/quote]Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones "Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart". So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today![/p][/quote]Was it worth the effort looking up historical names, just so you can be included in the smug and educated PC brigade.[/p][/quote]As he successfully used it to riducule Dai Rear's dogwhistle xenophobia I think it was time well spent. cantthinkofone

2:55pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Facewagon says...

rightway wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Dai Rear wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?
Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones "Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart". So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today!
Was it worth the effort looking up historical names, just so you can be included in the smug and educated PC brigade.
Since when did "educated" become a term of ridicule?
[quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?[/p][/quote]Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones "Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart". So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today![/p][/quote]Was it worth the effort looking up historical names, just so you can be included in the smug and educated PC brigade.[/p][/quote]Since when did "educated" become a term of ridicule? Facewagon

3:15pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Micle1974 says...

They got off lightly!!!
What a joke!!
They got off lightly!!! What a joke!! Micle1974

3:27pm Sat 4 Jan 14

not a happy mum says...

Right I am the mother of this young man,if you can call him a man.My heart goes out to the victims of my vile son and his friend.(who was more than a driver,and he knows it)
Sadly due to his solicitor my son was only given 6yrs,when really he should of got the full 14yrs.If it is any consulation my son will be off the streets till 2019 as he has to finish his old sentence before he starts his new one.
Yes I am his mum and no he was not dragged up to be this way.We his family are just as disgusted by his behaviour and repulsed by his crimes.I am very sorry for his victims that they had to suffer at the hands of my son and his little friend whom he met in jail.I just hope people do not judge his family on his vile outlook on life.
To anyone who thinks I should be supporting my son and not being hard on him,let me say this...He had a good life,a loving family,a beautiful son,he decided none of this was as important as playing the big man with his friend,he has left alot of upset victims behind him including an elderly lady.I can not and will not support a son who has such a lack of respect for others.
To any of his victims that may be reading this "I truley am sorry that my son did this to you."
Right I am the mother of this young man,if you can call him a man.My heart goes out to the victims of my vile son and his friend.(who was more than a driver,and he knows it) Sadly due to his solicitor my son was only given 6yrs,when really he should of got the full 14yrs.If it is any consulation my son will be off the streets till 2019 as he has to finish his old sentence before he starts his new one. Yes I am his mum and no he was not dragged up to be this way.We his family are just as disgusted by his behaviour and repulsed by his crimes.I am very sorry for his victims that they had to suffer at the hands of my son and his little friend whom he met in jail.I just hope people do not judge his family on his vile outlook on life. To anyone who thinks I should be supporting my son and not being hard on him,let me say this...He had a good life,a loving family,a beautiful son,he decided none of this was as important as playing the big man with his friend,he has left alot of upset victims behind him including an elderly lady.I can not and will not support a son who has such a lack of respect for others. To any of his victims that may be reading this "I truley am sorry that my son did this to you." not a happy mum

4:20pm Sat 4 Jan 14

natasha5 says...

To the lady above, you've suffered as much as anyone else in all of this. Unfortunately, when they commit these crimes (never thinking of others) its not just the immediate victim who suffers, the victims family and the perpetrators family suffers as well. I applaud you for taking a stand and publicly stating that you feel as disgusted as others by what they have done. I understand your apologies to the victims but please don't think that his crimes are any bearing on you or your family. Its now time for the family and his victims to move on as none of you should feel shame over what has happened to you. It will take time and will be very hard but lift your heads high whilst happy in the knowledge that every step and breath taken is one of freedom. Ensure that you do not let them beat you. These lads won't be feeling the pleasure of that for a very long time. I feel for you that your son's photo is in the paper for all to see but walk with pride as you fought for as long as was possible to raise your boy to be a decent human being. Sometimes no matter how hard we try we simply don't get through to some.
To the lady above, you've suffered as much as anyone else in all of this. Unfortunately, when they commit these crimes (never thinking of others) its not just the immediate victim who suffers, the victims family and the perpetrators family suffers as well. I applaud you for taking a stand and publicly stating that you feel as disgusted as others by what they have done. I understand your apologies to the victims but please don't think that his crimes are any bearing on you or your family. Its now time for the family and his victims to move on as none of you should feel shame over what has happened to you. It will take time and will be very hard but lift your heads high whilst happy in the knowledge that every step and breath taken is one of freedom. Ensure that you do not let them beat you. These lads won't be feeling the pleasure of that for a very long time. I feel for you that your son's photo is in the paper for all to see but walk with pride as you fought for as long as was possible to raise your boy to be a decent human being. Sometimes no matter how hard we try we simply don't get through to some. natasha5

4:45pm Sat 4 Jan 14

fraggled says...

not a happy mum wrote:
Right I am the mother of this young man,if you can call him a man.My heart goes out to the victims of my vile son and his friend.(who was more than a driver,and he knows it) Sadly due to his solicitor my son was only given 6yrs,when really he should of got the full 14yrs.If it is any consulation my son will be off the streets till 2019 as he has to finish his old sentence before he starts his new one. Yes I am his mum and no he was not dragged up to be this way.We his family are just as disgusted by his behaviour and repulsed by his crimes.I am very sorry for his victims that they had to suffer at the hands of my son and his little friend whom he met in jail.I just hope people do not judge his family on his vile outlook on life. To anyone who thinks I should be supporting my son and not being hard on him,let me say this...He had a good life,a loving family,a beautiful son,he decided none of this was as important as playing the big man with his friend,he has left alot of upset victims behind him including an elderly lady.I can not and will not support a son who has such a lack of respect for others. To any of his victims that may be reading this "I truley am sorry that my son did this to you."
They continue with the display of being “big men” on the inside by bullying others and threatening violence. I know this from someone who recently resided on the same prison wing as them and was a victim of theirs.
[quote][p][bold]not a happy mum[/bold] wrote: Right I am the mother of this young man,if you can call him a man.My heart goes out to the victims of my vile son and his friend.(who was more than a driver,and he knows it) Sadly due to his solicitor my son was only given 6yrs,when really he should of got the full 14yrs.If it is any consulation my son will be off the streets till 2019 as he has to finish his old sentence before he starts his new one. Yes I am his mum and no he was not dragged up to be this way.We his family are just as disgusted by his behaviour and repulsed by his crimes.I am very sorry for his victims that they had to suffer at the hands of my son and his little friend whom he met in jail.I just hope people do not judge his family on his vile outlook on life. To anyone who thinks I should be supporting my son and not being hard on him,let me say this...He had a good life,a loving family,a beautiful son,he decided none of this was as important as playing the big man with his friend,he has left alot of upset victims behind him including an elderly lady.I can not and will not support a son who has such a lack of respect for others. To any of his victims that may be reading this "I truley am sorry that my son did this to you."[/p][/quote]They continue with the display of being “big men” on the inside by bullying others and threatening violence. I know this from someone who recently resided on the same prison wing as them and was a victim of theirs. fraggled

5:32pm Sat 4 Jan 14

not a happy mum says...

Thankyou natasha5,it is very unpleasant when a child goes off the rails to such a vile level.I actually begged for help for many years when he first started going off the rails.Sadly help was not available.He was brought up to know what is right and wrong,he was brought up being taught respect,sadly he chose his own root.Well he is now away with other like minded people.Innocent people very very rarely go to jail.So now they will be around the type of people who they seem to enjoy being round.
I just hope the victims are all able to move on and know neither my son or his friend will be hurting any one else.......and to fraggled as far as i am concerned i have no sympathy for any other inmates who have met my son.They are all in jail for breaking the law and thinking they are "big men",so let them all play big men together.I may seem unsympathetic fraggle but if your inside then you are all living together with the type of people you chose to hang with..If there is a real problem inside then the prison officers will deal with it,but to be fair on the prison officers i am sure there are days when they feel like letting criminals deal with each other.
I only came on here to ensure that the victims and their families realize thats Andrew is not supported by his family and that we are also totally disgusted at what he has done,who he has chose to become,and to say he is were he deserves to be.
Thankyou natasha5,it is very unpleasant when a child goes off the rails to such a vile level.I actually begged for help for many years when he first started going off the rails.Sadly help was not available.He was brought up to know what is right and wrong,he was brought up being taught respect,sadly he chose his own root.Well he is now away with other like minded people.Innocent people very very rarely go to jail.So now they will be around the type of people who they seem to enjoy being round. I just hope the victims are all able to move on and know neither my son or his friend will be hurting any one else.......and to fraggled as far as i am concerned i have no sympathy for any other inmates who have met my son.They are all in jail for breaking the law and thinking they are "big men",so let them all play big men together.I may seem unsympathetic fraggle but if your inside then you are all living together with the type of people you chose to hang with..If there is a real problem inside then the prison officers will deal with it,but to be fair on the prison officers i am sure there are days when they feel like letting criminals deal with each other. I only came on here to ensure that the victims and their families realize thats Andrew is not supported by his family and that we are also totally disgusted at what he has done,who he has chose to become,and to say he is were he deserves to be. not a happy mum

8:13pm Sat 4 Jan 14

forest hump says...

"Not a happy mum" is one very brave and honest lady! She deserves a better deal. Hopefully, good things come to honest people. God bless her.
"Not a happy mum" is one very brave and honest lady! She deserves a better deal. Hopefully, good things come to honest people. God bless her. forest hump

8:43pm Sat 4 Jan 14

not a happy mum says...

forest hump,thankyou for your kind words.I do not consider myself brave,I am honest though.To be fair I get fed up with people making excuses for People like my son.I hear it all "he is mixed up".."he must of come from a bad home"..he needed support"..There is no excuse out there for this type of behaviour.He left people scared in their own homes,he took what people worked hard to get,and even worse he scared a poor old lady,who thankgod is ok.When people choose to take this path in life they know exactly what they are doing,and they do not care about who it hurts.I for one am glad he is at least off the streets till 2019.As a mum it is hard to face up to this horrible crime spree,but I will not make excuses for him.He knew exactly what he was doing,so he is now where he should be!
forest hump,thankyou for your kind words.I do not consider myself brave,I am honest though.To be fair I get fed up with people making excuses for People like my son.I hear it all "he is mixed up".."he must of come from a bad home"..he needed support"..There is no excuse out there for this type of behaviour.He left people scared in their own homes,he took what people worked hard to get,and even worse he scared a poor old lady,who thankgod is ok.When people choose to take this path in life they know exactly what they are doing,and they do not care about who it hurts.I for one am glad he is at least off the streets till 2019.As a mum it is hard to face up to this horrible crime spree,but I will not make excuses for him.He knew exactly what he was doing,so he is now where he should be! not a happy mum

8:32am Sun 5 Jan 14

Dave W says...

Another fine example of our failed reform programme, last period of lock up actually introduced them to each other. I note that one was last sentenced to 6 years & let out early! well that didn't work did it, as soon as they're out, they're truly back at it in big style. Shame the penal colony system isn't still with us! As for the defence mitigation claim about danger of institutionalisation
..........well the history already shows that remorse & 'another' chance just ain't gonna ever work with these two scumbags! Throw away the key, better still lethal injection as it saves the tax payer in the long run.
Another fine example of our failed reform programme, last period of lock up actually introduced them to each other. I note that one was last sentenced to 6 years & let out early! well that didn't work did it, as soon as they're out, they're truly back at it in big style. Shame the penal colony system isn't still with us! As for the defence mitigation claim about danger of institutionalisation ..........well the history already shows that remorse & 'another' chance just ain't gonna ever work with these two scumbags! Throw away the key, better still lethal injection as it saves the tax payer in the long run. Dave W

9:36am Sun 5 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on.
Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from?
Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?
Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones

"Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart".

So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today!
It's more likely to be a corruption of middle European words for "wolf" actually, but I'd not expect someone who can't spell "xenophobic" to know that.
And no I have no irrational fear of foreigners. I struggle to discern how you believe you can infer that but I won't hold my breath waiting for you (or Miss can't think of anything") to think of something.
[quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?[/p][/quote]Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones "Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart". So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today![/p][/quote]It's more likely to be a corruption of middle European words for "wolf" actually, but I'd not expect someone who can't spell "xenophobic" to know that. And no I have no irrational fear of foreigners. I struggle to discern how you believe you can infer that but I won't hold my breath waiting for you (or Miss can't think of anything") to think of something. Dai Rear

11:05am Sun 5 Jan 14

rightway says...

Facewagon wrote:
rightway wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Dai Rear wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?
Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones "Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart". So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today!
Was it worth the effort looking up historical names, just so you can be included in the smug and educated PC brigade.
Since when did "educated" become a term of ridicule?
When it is used with sarcastic overtones.
Does that help.
[quote][p][bold]Facewagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rightway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?[/p][/quote]Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones "Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart". So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today![/p][/quote]Was it worth the effort looking up historical names, just so you can be included in the smug and educated PC brigade.[/p][/quote]Since when did "educated" become a term of ridicule?[/p][/quote]When it is used with sarcastic overtones. Does that help. rightway

12:24pm Sun 5 Jan 14

andysaints007 says...

For pity sake wrote:
thunderchild96 wrote:
This is why they should be a law which says we can blow a burglar head off if they breaks in to your house
There should also be a law which says posters with appalling grammar should be banned.
Don't start the boring, boring grammar thing you plebb.
[quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thunderchild96[/bold] wrote: This is why they should be a law which says we can blow a burglar head off if they breaks in to your house[/p][/quote]There should also be a law which says posters with appalling grammar should be banned.[/p][/quote]Don't start the boring, boring grammar thing you plebb. andysaints007

4:21pm Sun 5 Jan 14

cantthinkofone says...

From the age of 0 to around 10, parents are by far the greatest influence on their children.

It's all very well for his mum to have a spasm of self-righteousness now, but I wonder if in hindsight she'd change anything all those years ago. I suspect the honest answer would be yes.

It's a lesson for all of us raising young children. Make absolutely sure that you instil in them a deep seated sense of right/wrong, a habit of imagining themselves in other's shoes, and a regard for compassion as the most brave and 'manly' quality of all. We need to teach our kids *empathy*, and we need to do it from birth.

Defending your children when they've clearly done hideous things is obviously not a good thing. But neither is abandoning the people that your parenting has led them to become; it's distasteful and cowardly. Own up to your responsibilities, condemn their behaviour, and devote your every waking minute to reforming the child that you created and raised.
From the age of 0 to around 10, parents are by far the greatest influence on their children. It's all very well for his mum to have a spasm of self-righteousness now, but I wonder if in hindsight she'd change anything all those years ago. I suspect the honest answer would be yes. It's a lesson for all of us raising young children. Make absolutely sure that you instil in them a deep seated sense of right/wrong, a habit of imagining themselves in other's shoes, and a regard for compassion as the most brave and 'manly' quality of all. We need to teach our kids *empathy*, and we need to do it from birth. Defending your children when they've clearly done hideous things is obviously not a good thing. But neither is abandoning the people that your parenting has led them to become; it's distasteful and cowardly. Own up to your responsibilities, condemn their behaviour, and devote your every waking minute to reforming the child that you created and raised. cantthinkofone

4:58pm Sun 5 Jan 14

not a happy mum says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
From the age of 0 to around 10, parents are by far the greatest influence on their children.

It's all very well for his mum to have a spasm of self-righteousness now, but I wonder if in hindsight she'd change anything all those years ago. I suspect the honest answer would be yes.

It's a lesson for all of us raising young children. Make absolutely sure that you instil in them a deep seated sense of right/wrong, a habit of imagining themselves in other's shoes, and a regard for compassion as the most brave and 'manly' quality of all. We need to teach our kids *empathy*, and we need to do it from birth.

Defending your children when they've clearly done hideous things is obviously not a good thing. But neither is abandoning the people that your parenting has led them to become; it's distasteful and cowardly. Own up to your responsibilities, condemn their behaviour, and devote your every waking minute to reforming the child that you created and raised.
Let me start by saying I am in now way cowardly.As a child growing up Andrew was actually OK,no different to any other,He started to go off the rails at 13,when he started to change the type of friends he had.Not that it is really your businessbut as you seem to think iI am a bad mum I will explain,He took on adults that used young teens as friends,I did all I could to stop this.Anyone who knows me and my family know as a mum I did everything possible to help Andrew.Eventually the law finally did what they should of done long before and jailed him and others for a vile crime.During that 3:5yrs he had 100% support from me,prison and others.He came out again to a huge support network,a job and his family BUT he decided the friends from jail were more fu.Both these 2 are adults,they decided robbing people was OK,they decided ruining peoples lives was OK,well now the law has made sure they pay for their disgusting behaviour,AND just for the record I have other children who are perfectly fine thank you.My parenting did not lead to my son becoming a criminal,and you are obviously very narrow minded to believe that.People can say what they want about me apparently "abandoning" my son over this recent crime spree.He does not deserve anyone's support,he needs to take a look at himself,decide whether he wants to better himself or stay the way he is.He needs to realise at 20yrs old he is responsible for what he chooses in life.I was responsible for giving him a loving home and upbringing,I was responsible for teaching what is and is not acceptable behaviour.I was responsible for ensuring he had support whenever he needed it.No matter what..My parenting did not make Andrew what he is today,his choices made him who he is and he still chooses to do what he wants not caring for anyone else along the way.When he came out of jail in March he came out to a loving,supportive family,his girlfriend and son,a job and a roof over his head.He decided that "going "straight" meant he could not have what he wanted,when he wanted.He decided that he was not prepared to save for whathe wanted.He decided that taking what others worked hard for was ok.Well I will stand my ground and say my son is were he belongs,he gave no care for anyone.I really don't care whether you agree or not,and Iwill not stand by and support someone that has no respect for anyone.
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: From the age of 0 to around 10, parents are by far the greatest influence on their children. It's all very well for his mum to have a spasm of self-righteousness now, but I wonder if in hindsight she'd change anything all those years ago. I suspect the honest answer would be yes. It's a lesson for all of us raising young children. Make absolutely sure that you instil in them a deep seated sense of right/wrong, a habit of imagining themselves in other's shoes, and a regard for compassion as the most brave and 'manly' quality of all. We need to teach our kids *empathy*, and we need to do it from birth. Defending your children when they've clearly done hideous things is obviously not a good thing. But neither is abandoning the people that your parenting has led them to become; it's distasteful and cowardly. Own up to your responsibilities, condemn their behaviour, and devote your every waking minute to reforming the child that you created and raised.[/p][/quote]Let me start by saying I am in now way cowardly.As a child growing up Andrew was actually OK,no different to any other,He started to go off the rails at 13,when he started to change the type of friends he had.Not that it is really your businessbut as you seem to think iI am a bad mum I will explain,He took on adults that used young teens as friends,I did all I could to stop this.Anyone who knows me and my family know as a mum I did everything possible to help Andrew.Eventually the law finally did what they should of done long before and jailed him and others for a vile crime.During that 3:5yrs he had 100% support from me,prison and others.He came out again to a huge support network,a job and his family BUT he decided the friends from jail were more fu.Both these 2 are adults,they decided robbing people was OK,they decided ruining peoples lives was OK,well now the law has made sure they pay for their disgusting behaviour,AND just for the record I have other children who are perfectly fine thank you.My parenting did not lead to my son becoming a criminal,and you are obviously very narrow minded to believe that.People can say what they want about me apparently "abandoning" my son over this recent crime spree.He does not deserve anyone's support,he needs to take a look at himself,decide whether he wants to better himself or stay the way he is.He needs to realise at 20yrs old he is responsible for what he chooses in life.I was responsible for giving him a loving home and upbringing,I was responsible for teaching what is and is not acceptable behaviour.I was responsible for ensuring he had support whenever he needed it.No matter what..My parenting did not make Andrew what he is today,his choices made him who he is and he still chooses to do what he wants not caring for anyone else along the way.When he came out of jail in March he came out to a loving,supportive family,his girlfriend and son,a job and a roof over his head.He decided that "going "straight" meant he could not have what he wanted,when he wanted.He decided that he was not prepared to save for whathe wanted.He decided that taking what others worked hard for was ok.Well I will stand my ground and say my son is were he belongs,he gave no care for anyone.I really don't care whether you agree or not,and Iwill not stand by and support someone that has no respect for anyone. not a happy mum

11:25pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Brock_and_Roll wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on.
Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from?
Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?
Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones

"Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart".

So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today!
It's more likely to be a corruption of middle European words for "wolf" actually, but I'd not expect someone who can't spell "xenophobic" to know that.
And no I have no irrational fear of foreigners. I struggle to discern how you believe you can infer that but I won't hold my breath waiting for you (or Miss can't think of anything") to think of something.
I am amazed that no one appears to have realised that it was Major General James Peter Woolf 1727 to 1740 who died at his last victory, For Braitain, at Quebec. Not much doubt in my mind that Woolf is a long standing British name.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brock_and_Roll[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: The graffiti etched on Vincent's neck is his NI number, in case he forgets it when signing on. Wooff is clearly not an English name. Where does he come from? Given that 14 years is the max for these offences they have done well on sentencing but hey, wouldn't want any appeals against sentence and a shadow on one's chances of judicial advancement, would one?[/p][/quote]Not an English name? What a ridiculous comment with clearly ignorant and zenophobic overtones "Woof" one of the oldest names still extant in the UK - it has 7th century Norse origins. Names like Darcy, Berkeley or Mandeville are not "English" and neither of course are "Jones", "Bruce" "Sugar" or "Taggart". So it would appear that Mr Woof is the product of 1,500 years of selective British breeding in order to produce the top class feral scum that we see today![/p][/quote]It's more likely to be a corruption of middle European words for "wolf" actually, but I'd not expect someone who can't spell "xenophobic" to know that. And no I have no irrational fear of foreigners. I struggle to discern how you believe you can infer that but I won't hold my breath waiting for you (or Miss can't think of anything") to think of something.[/p][/quote]I am amazed that no one appears to have realised that it was Major General James Peter Woolf 1727 to 1740 who died at his last victory, For Braitain, at Quebec. Not much doubt in my mind that Woolf is a long standing British name. Inform Al

9:07pm Mon 6 Jan 14

natasha5 says...

Cantthinkofone you should be ashamed! Why blame his parents for the way he turned out. If she didn't care she wouldn't of come on here to apologise. Before you get On your high horse I don't know this family but I know as a mother that I would not continue to support my child when they continue to do these things. His family are not to blame for this and you do your best as a parent but sometimes its not enough. There are families out there who couldn't care less what there kids do and I've never known them to comment on here. Leave your judgement on his family off this website they aren't responsible for his crime. I've been the victim of crime on more than one occasion and it never came into my head to blame the family.
Cantthinkofone you should be ashamed! Why blame his parents for the way he turned out. If she didn't care she wouldn't of come on here to apologise. Before you get On your high horse I don't know this family but I know as a mother that I would not continue to support my child when they continue to do these things. His family are not to blame for this and you do your best as a parent but sometimes its not enough. There are families out there who couldn't care less what there kids do and I've never known them to comment on here. Leave your judgement on his family off this website they aren't responsible for his crime. I've been the victim of crime on more than one occasion and it never came into my head to blame the family. natasha5

6:53pm Tue 7 Jan 14

not a happy mum says...

natasha5 wrote:
Cantthinkofone you should be ashamed! Why blame his parents for the way he turned out. If she didn't care she wouldn't of come on here to apologise. Before you get On your high horse I don't know this family but I know as a mother that I would not continue to support my child when they continue to do these things. His family are not to blame for this and you do your best as a parent but sometimes its not enough. There are families out there who couldn't care less what there kids do and I've never known them to comment on here. Leave your judgement on his family off this website they aren't responsible for his crime. I've been the victim of crime on more than one occasion and it never came into my head to blame the family.
Thank you for your support natashe5.There is nothing harder in life than having to know 1 of your kids have gone bad.Its even worse knowing the devastation and heartbreak they have left behind.As his mother having to stepaway and say he is on his own is the hardest thing iI have ever had to do.I supported him through everything last time,he was given a 6yr sentence and served just over 3.That should of brought him to his senses,it did not.
To be honest when I first read the comments made by Can't think of one I was not pleased,but then I realised if she has not had to deal with a child going down the wrong road,she can only give the opinion she gave.Her opinion is that of someone who has obviously not had to face this situation.If she had been through anything close to what my family and myself have had to deal with because of Andrew she would have a different attitude.
[quote][p][bold]natasha5[/bold] wrote: Cantthinkofone you should be ashamed! Why blame his parents for the way he turned out. If she didn't care she wouldn't of come on here to apologise. Before you get On your high horse I don't know this family but I know as a mother that I would not continue to support my child when they continue to do these things. His family are not to blame for this and you do your best as a parent but sometimes its not enough. There are families out there who couldn't care less what there kids do and I've never known them to comment on here. Leave your judgement on his family off this website they aren't responsible for his crime. I've been the victim of crime on more than one occasion and it never came into my head to blame the family.[/p][/quote]Thank you for your support natashe5.There is nothing harder in life than having to know 1 of your kids have gone bad.Its even worse knowing the devastation and heartbreak they have left behind.As his mother having to stepaway and say he is on his own is the hardest thing iI have ever had to do.I supported him through everything last time,he was given a 6yr sentence and served just over 3.That should of brought him to his senses,it did not. To be honest when I first read the comments made by Can't think of one I was not pleased,but then I realised if she has not had to deal with a child going down the wrong road,she can only give the opinion she gave.Her opinion is that of someone who has obviously not had to face this situation.If she had been through anything close to what my family and myself have had to deal with because of Andrew she would have a different attitude. not a happy mum

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