Friends of the Earth's Big Green Bike Ride coming to the New Forest

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IT has sparked one of the biggest controversies in the New Forest for years.

Commercial cycling events attracting thousands of entrants have resulted in months of conflict, with locals accusing riders of damaging the environment by “racing” along country lanes and using village greens as toilets.

Now one of Britain's leading environmental groups has also unveiled plans to stage a major cycle ride in the Forest.

But this time the event is for charity - and organisers say it will have only a minimal impact on people living in the area.

Friends of the Earth (FoE) has revealed that this year's Big Green Bike Ride will involve an 85-mile ride from London to the New Forest, followed by a 35-mile tour of the area the next day.

Riders will be based at the Foxlease Girl Guide centre at Lyndhurst, where a zip wire and other activities will be provided.

But FoE says the event will be very different from the huge Wiggle rides that have sparked a series of rows between cyclists and residents.

Unlike the Wiggle series, people taking part in the Big Green Bike Ride will not be timed.

An FoE spokesman said experienced guides would brief cyclists on the concerns expressed by Forest residents over the past few months and pledged that racing would be “actively discouraged”.

He added: “The Big Green Bike Ride bears little resemblance to the mass participation events that are rightly causing concern in the New Forest.

“We are expecting 250 participants, making it very small-scale compared to the thousands of cyclists who take part in large bike rides.

“We have designed the event with the aim of making it the gold standard of New Forest bike rides by minimising the impact on local residents.”

Riders taking part in the event on May 17-18 will be raising funds for FoE.

Critics of the Wiggle events include one of Britain's oldest conservation groups, the New Forest Association (NFA), which has been watching over the area since 1867.

NFA chairman Peter Roberts said: “It will be interesting to compare a well-organised bike ride staged by a responsible environmental charity with the large-scale events we have seen recently.

“Providing numbers are not too large there is an opportunity here to show how the Forest can be appreciated by those who enjoy fresh air and exercise.

“We look forward to a non-disruptive and hopefully well-managed event.”

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5:49am Wed 8 Jan 14

country bird says...

This should be interesting. And I'm looking forward to seeing just how good this event is going to be, and if all goes well, then great, as it will set an example to the other cycling events.

However, they quoted "they're "Expecting" 250 cyclists" in reality it could be hundreds more etc, which is a problem. Lets wait and see.

Good luck to them.
This should be interesting. And I'm looking forward to seeing just how good this event is going to be, and if all goes well, then great, as it will set an example to the other cycling events. However, they quoted "they're "Expecting" 250 cyclists" in reality it could be hundreds more etc, which is a problem. Lets wait and see. Good luck to them. country bird

6:39am Wed 8 Jan 14

Forest Resident says...

Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.
Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users. Forest Resident

7:08am Wed 8 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.
Oh shut up, who is going on about killing anyone talk about taking the article above off subject for your own agenda.

Argument has always been volume of cyclists and thier arrogance to other road users and residents.

This event sounds fine and the riders can take a nice leisurely rude enjoying the scenery not like the Wiggle riders who race and compare thier times with other riders regardless of people who claim otherwise 'it's a sportive not a race etc etc'.

Anyway don't you live in Marchwood shouldn't you be waterside resident?
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.[/p][/quote]Oh shut up, who is going on about killing anyone talk about taking the article above off subject for your own agenda. Argument has always been volume of cyclists and thier arrogance to other road users and residents. This event sounds fine and the riders can take a nice leisurely rude enjoying the scenery not like the Wiggle riders who race and compare thier times with other riders regardless of people who claim otherwise 'it's a sportive not a race etc etc'. Anyway don't you live in Marchwood shouldn't you be waterside resident? Brusher Mills

7:20am Wed 8 Jan 14

Forest Resident says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.
Oh shut up, who is going on about killing anyone talk about taking the article above off subject for your own agenda.

Argument has always been volume of cyclists and thier arrogance to other road users and residents.

This event sounds fine and the riders can take a nice leisurely rude enjoying the scenery not like the Wiggle riders who race and compare thier times with other riders regardless of people who claim otherwise 'it's a sportive not a race etc etc'.

Anyway don't you live in Marchwood shouldn't you be waterside resident?
The volume of cyclists is irrelevant, cyclists are traffic and regarded in law as vehicles just the same as anyone in/on a car, truck or motorcycle, you don't see the authorities clamping down on and vilifying the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people undertaking car movements across the Forest every day do you? No, it's simple bigotry and will not be accepted, authorities should only use their influence based on proven data, not this anecdotal inconvenience surrounding a handful of motorists who's own incompetence around road going cyclists leads to their frustration. Oh, and last time I checked Marchwood was within the New Forest district and my particular residence among many others in the village are also in the New Forest National Park, any further irrelevant questions?
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.[/p][/quote]Oh shut up, who is going on about killing anyone talk about taking the article above off subject for your own agenda. Argument has always been volume of cyclists and thier arrogance to other road users and residents. This event sounds fine and the riders can take a nice leisurely rude enjoying the scenery not like the Wiggle riders who race and compare thier times with other riders regardless of people who claim otherwise 'it's a sportive not a race etc etc'. Anyway don't you live in Marchwood shouldn't you be waterside resident?[/p][/quote]The volume of cyclists is irrelevant, cyclists are traffic and regarded in law as vehicles just the same as anyone in/on a car, truck or motorcycle, you don't see the authorities clamping down on and vilifying the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people undertaking car movements across the Forest every day do you? No, it's simple bigotry and will not be accepted, authorities should only use their influence based on proven data, not this anecdotal inconvenience surrounding a handful of motorists who's own incompetence around road going cyclists leads to their frustration. Oh, and last time I checked Marchwood was within the New Forest district and my particular residence among many others in the village are also in the New Forest National Park, any further irrelevant questions? Forest Resident

7:29am Wed 8 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Brusher Mills wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.
Oh shut up, who is going on about killing anyone talk about taking the article above off subject for your own agenda.

Argument has always been volume of cyclists and thier arrogance to other road users and residents.

This event sounds fine and the riders can take a nice leisurely rude enjoying the scenery not like the Wiggle riders who race and compare thier times with other riders regardless of people who claim otherwise 'it's a sportive not a race etc etc'.

Anyway don't you live in Marchwood shouldn't you be waterside resident?
The volume of cyclists is irrelevant, cyclists are traffic and regarded in law as vehicles just the same as anyone in/on a car, truck or motorcycle, you don't see the authorities clamping down on and vilifying the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people undertaking car movements across the Forest every day do you? No, it's simple bigotry and will not be accepted, authorities should only use their influence based on proven data, not this anecdotal inconvenience surrounding a handful of motorists who's own incompetence around road going cyclists leads to their frustration. Oh, and last time I checked Marchwood was within the New Forest district and my particular residence among many others in the village are also in the New Forest National Park, any further irrelevant questions?
I think your argument is irrelevant and you mention moterists are inconvenienced by the mass cyclists, I am not a moterist.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.[/p][/quote]Oh shut up, who is going on about killing anyone talk about taking the article above off subject for your own agenda. Argument has always been volume of cyclists and thier arrogance to other road users and residents. This event sounds fine and the riders can take a nice leisurely rude enjoying the scenery not like the Wiggle riders who race and compare thier times with other riders regardless of people who claim otherwise 'it's a sportive not a race etc etc'. Anyway don't you live in Marchwood shouldn't you be waterside resident?[/p][/quote]The volume of cyclists is irrelevant, cyclists are traffic and regarded in law as vehicles just the same as anyone in/on a car, truck or motorcycle, you don't see the authorities clamping down on and vilifying the tens if not hundreds of thousands of people undertaking car movements across the Forest every day do you? No, it's simple bigotry and will not be accepted, authorities should only use their influence based on proven data, not this anecdotal inconvenience surrounding a handful of motorists who's own incompetence around road going cyclists leads to their frustration. Oh, and last time I checked Marchwood was within the New Forest district and my particular residence among many others in the village are also in the New Forest National Park, any further irrelevant questions?[/p][/quote]I think your argument is irrelevant and you mention moterists are inconvenienced by the mass cyclists, I am not a moterist. Brusher Mills

7:44am Wed 8 Jan 14

General Grievance says...

Will advise the FoE website to remove all the pictures of last years cyclists riding up to 4 abreast, that never goes down well in these forums! Seriously though, really welcome this and all other well organised cycling events, including the Wiggle rides. Great to see so many more people out and about and enjoying our forest. Hope it sells out as quickly as the Wiggle events with all of the local publicity.
Will advise the FoE website to remove all the pictures of last years cyclists riding up to 4 abreast, that never goes down well in these forums! Seriously though, really welcome this and all other well organised cycling events, including the Wiggle rides. Great to see so many more people out and about and enjoying our forest. Hope it sells out as quickly as the Wiggle events with all of the local publicity. General Grievance

11:15am Wed 8 Jan 14

-stiv- says...

The new forest has been ruined by tosspots burning through it in 4x4s for a good few years now.

Replacing all of those pony-killing middle-aged insecure boy racers and replacing them with cyclists, even disruptive cyclists, can only be a good thing.

I doubt true forest residents, who've lived there for generations have a problem with cyclists. More like the new-money conspicuous consumption tacky Barbour jacket types have an axe to grind as they have to engage a little bit of extra care and common sense when tearing up the ancient woodland.
The new forest has been ruined by tosspots burning through it in 4x4s for a good few years now. Replacing all of those pony-killing middle-aged insecure boy racers and replacing them with cyclists, even disruptive cyclists, can only be a good thing. I doubt true forest residents, who've lived there for generations have a problem with cyclists. More like the new-money conspicuous consumption tacky Barbour jacket types have an axe to grind as they have to engage a little bit of extra care and common sense when tearing up the ancient woodland. -stiv-

11:19am Wed 8 Jan 14

TobyB1960 says...

I think the big story here is how the press has made such a big story out from a few NIMBYs. Being a resident of the NF, horse rider and local business owner, we don't have a problem with cyclists. Actually we are probably on the same side, if there are sides, as myself and other horse riders face constant harassment from a minority of motorists. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the same people who are rude and inconsiderate to horse riders who complain about these cycle events.
I think the big story here is how the press has made such a big story out from a few NIMBYs. Being a resident of the NF, horse rider and local business owner, we don't have a problem with cyclists. Actually we are probably on the same side, if there are sides, as myself and other horse riders face constant harassment from a minority of motorists. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the same people who are rude and inconsiderate to horse riders who complain about these cycle events. TobyB1960

11:44am Wed 8 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

-stiv- wrote:
The new forest has been ruined by tosspots burning through it in 4x4s for a good few years now.

Replacing all of those pony-killing middle-aged insecure boy racers and replacing them with cyclists, even disruptive cyclists, can only be a good thing.

I doubt true forest residents, who've lived there for generations have a problem with cyclists. More like the new-money conspicuous consumption tacky Barbour jacket types have an axe to grind as they have to engage a little bit of extra care and common sense when tearing up the ancient woodland.
You didn't see the BBC 'Inside Out'' programme the other night where leading Commoner Ann Sevier spoke out against the bicycles then. I wonder if you'd be brave enough to confront her with your issues?
[quote][p][bold]-stiv-[/bold] wrote: The new forest has been ruined by tosspots burning through it in 4x4s for a good few years now. Replacing all of those pony-killing middle-aged insecure boy racers and replacing them with cyclists, even disruptive cyclists, can only be a good thing. I doubt true forest residents, who've lived there for generations have a problem with cyclists. More like the new-money conspicuous consumption tacky Barbour jacket types have an axe to grind as they have to engage a little bit of extra care and common sense when tearing up the ancient woodland.[/p][/quote]You didn't see the BBC 'Inside Out'' programme the other night where leading Commoner Ann Sevier spoke out against the bicycles then. I wonder if you'd be brave enough to confront her with your issues? Torchie1

11:44am Wed 8 Jan 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

TobyB1960 wrote:
I think the big story here is how the press has made such a big story out from a few NIMBYs. Being a resident of the NF, horse rider and local business owner, we don't have a problem with cyclists. Actually we are probably on the same side, if there are sides, as myself and other horse riders face constant harassment from a minority of motorists. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the same people who are rude and inconsiderate to horse riders who complain about these cycle events.
Yeah, it seems that a minority of Hampshire motorists, especially those on more than 2 or 3 wheels, don't like anyone who has 2 wheels or less.
[quote][p][bold]TobyB1960[/bold] wrote: I think the big story here is how the press has made such a big story out from a few NIMBYs. Being a resident of the NF, horse rider and local business owner, we don't have a problem with cyclists. Actually we are probably on the same side, if there are sides, as myself and other horse riders face constant harassment from a minority of motorists. It wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't the same people who are rude and inconsiderate to horse riders who complain about these cycle events.[/p][/quote]Yeah, it seems that a minority of Hampshire motorists, especially those on more than 2 or 3 wheels, don't like anyone who has 2 wheels or less. Ginger_cyclist

12:01pm Wed 8 Jan 14

-stiv- says...

Torchie1 wrote:
-stiv- wrote:
The new forest has been ruined by tosspots burning through it in 4x4s for a good few years now.

Replacing all of those pony-killing middle-aged insecure boy racers and replacing them with cyclists, even disruptive cyclists, can only be a good thing.

I doubt true forest residents, who've lived there for generations have a problem with cyclists. More like the new-money conspicuous consumption tacky Barbour jacket types have an axe to grind as they have to engage a little bit of extra care and common sense when tearing up the ancient woodland.
You didn't see the BBC 'Inside Out'' programme the other night where leading Commoner Ann Sevier spoke out against the bicycles then. I wonder if you'd be brave enough to confront her with your issues?
No I didn't. I don't understand how you can be against bikes in the Forest, but not cars. It boggles the mind.

I understand that motorists don't like to be inconvenienced (who does) but boo-hoo.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-stiv-[/bold] wrote: The new forest has been ruined by tosspots burning through it in 4x4s for a good few years now. Replacing all of those pony-killing middle-aged insecure boy racers and replacing them with cyclists, even disruptive cyclists, can only be a good thing. I doubt true forest residents, who've lived there for generations have a problem with cyclists. More like the new-money conspicuous consumption tacky Barbour jacket types have an axe to grind as they have to engage a little bit of extra care and common sense when tearing up the ancient woodland.[/p][/quote]You didn't see the BBC 'Inside Out'' programme the other night where leading Commoner Ann Sevier spoke out against the bicycles then. I wonder if you'd be brave enough to confront her with your issues?[/p][/quote]No I didn't. I don't understand how you can be against bikes in the Forest, but not cars. It boggles the mind. I understand that motorists don't like to be inconvenienced (who does) but boo-hoo. -stiv-

12:39pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left.
Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left. Brusher Mills

1:46pm Wed 8 Jan 14

camerajuan says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left.
I take it you haven't seen too many articles regarding pollution, dangerous driving, death by driving or drink driving? Not to mention the endless tirade of anticycling nonsense that fills these stories by people with nothing else to do?

If a cyclist comes off the road (note - ROAD, not trail) in the forest, they will roll over some grass, fall over, pick themselves up and carry on. Harming nobody and costing only themselves maybe a new patch from their puncture repair kit. Minimal noise throughout their journey and absolutely ZERO poisonous chemicals omitted into the atmosphere.

Its the EXACT opposite for a motor vehicle! Yet cyclists are a problem??

Let the two wheels spin and the lycra hug my thighs. I am a better shape than almost any driver in the county. I promise.
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left.[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't seen too many articles regarding pollution, dangerous driving, death by driving or drink driving? Not to mention the endless tirade of anticycling nonsense that fills these stories by people with nothing else to do? If a cyclist comes off the road (note - ROAD, not trail) in the forest, they will roll over some grass, fall over, pick themselves up and carry on. Harming nobody and costing only themselves maybe a new patch from their puncture repair kit. Minimal noise throughout their journey and absolutely ZERO poisonous chemicals omitted into the atmosphere. Its the EXACT opposite for a motor vehicle! Yet cyclists are a problem?? Let the two wheels spin and the lycra hug my thighs. I am a better shape than almost any driver in the county. I promise. camerajuan

1:54pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

camerajuan wrote:
Brusher Mills wrote: Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left.
I take it you haven't seen too many articles regarding pollution, dangerous driving, death by driving or drink driving? Not to mention the endless tirade of anticycling nonsense that fills these stories by people with nothing else to do? If a cyclist comes off the road (note - ROAD, not trail) in the forest, they will roll over some grass, fall over, pick themselves up and carry on. Harming nobody and costing only themselves maybe a new patch from their puncture repair kit. Minimal noise throughout their journey and absolutely ZERO poisonous chemicals omitted into the atmosphere. Its the EXACT opposite for a motor vehicle! Yet cyclists are a problem?? Let the two wheels spin and the lycra hug my thighs. I am a better shape than almost any driver in the county. I promise.
See all about yourself. I care not for cyclists or motorists.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left.[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't seen too many articles regarding pollution, dangerous driving, death by driving or drink driving? Not to mention the endless tirade of anticycling nonsense that fills these stories by people with nothing else to do? If a cyclist comes off the road (note - ROAD, not trail) in the forest, they will roll over some grass, fall over, pick themselves up and carry on. Harming nobody and costing only themselves maybe a new patch from their puncture repair kit. Minimal noise throughout their journey and absolutely ZERO poisonous chemicals omitted into the atmosphere. Its the EXACT opposite for a motor vehicle! Yet cyclists are a problem?? Let the two wheels spin and the lycra hug my thighs. I am a better shape than almost any driver in the county. I promise.[/p][/quote]See all about yourself. I care not for cyclists or motorists. Brusher Mills

2:00pm Wed 8 Jan 14

camerajuan says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Brusher Mills wrote: Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left.
I take it you haven't seen too many articles regarding pollution, dangerous driving, death by driving or drink driving? Not to mention the endless tirade of anticycling nonsense that fills these stories by people with nothing else to do? If a cyclist comes off the road (note - ROAD, not trail) in the forest, they will roll over some grass, fall over, pick themselves up and carry on. Harming nobody and costing only themselves maybe a new patch from their puncture repair kit. Minimal noise throughout their journey and absolutely ZERO poisonous chemicals omitted into the atmosphere. Its the EXACT opposite for a motor vehicle! Yet cyclists are a problem?? Let the two wheels spin and the lycra hug my thighs. I am a better shape than almost any driver in the county. I promise.
See all about yourself. I care not for cyclists or motorists.
Well why the heck are you still commenting on a story likely to prompt debate between both groups?!?!

More fool you methinks.
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left.[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't seen too many articles regarding pollution, dangerous driving, death by driving or drink driving? Not to mention the endless tirade of anticycling nonsense that fills these stories by people with nothing else to do? If a cyclist comes off the road (note - ROAD, not trail) in the forest, they will roll over some grass, fall over, pick themselves up and carry on. Harming nobody and costing only themselves maybe a new patch from their puncture repair kit. Minimal noise throughout their journey and absolutely ZERO poisonous chemicals omitted into the atmosphere. Its the EXACT opposite for a motor vehicle! Yet cyclists are a problem?? Let the two wheels spin and the lycra hug my thighs. I am a better shape than almost any driver in the county. I promise.[/p][/quote]See all about yourself. I care not for cyclists or motorists.[/p][/quote]Well why the heck are you still commenting on a story likely to prompt debate between both groups?!?! More fool you methinks. camerajuan

2:16pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

camerajuan wrote:
Brusher Mills wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Brusher Mills wrote: Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left.
I take it you haven't seen too many articles regarding pollution, dangerous driving, death by driving or drink driving? Not to mention the endless tirade of anticycling nonsense that fills these stories by people with nothing else to do? If a cyclist comes off the road (note - ROAD, not trail) in the forest, they will roll over some grass, fall over, pick themselves up and carry on. Harming nobody and costing only themselves maybe a new patch from their puncture repair kit. Minimal noise throughout their journey and absolutely ZERO poisonous chemicals omitted into the atmosphere. Its the EXACT opposite for a motor vehicle! Yet cyclists are a problem?? Let the two wheels spin and the lycra hug my thighs. I am a better shape than almost any driver in the county. I promise.
See all about yourself. I care not for cyclists or motorists.
Well why the heck are you still commenting on a story likely to prompt debate between both groups?!?! More fool you methinks.
I was originally saying this event sounds fine if numbers are as predicted. It is the wiggle events that cause issue due to numbers. That's why I care little fir cyclists. I prefere getting around on my pogo.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: Why do all the pro cyclists harp on about motorists. You always here 4x4 this etc etc. they reall miss the point ignore what they want to and go on and on about the same thing and are never wrong. Reminds me of the far left.[/p][/quote]I take it you haven't seen too many articles regarding pollution, dangerous driving, death by driving or drink driving? Not to mention the endless tirade of anticycling nonsense that fills these stories by people with nothing else to do? If a cyclist comes off the road (note - ROAD, not trail) in the forest, they will roll over some grass, fall over, pick themselves up and carry on. Harming nobody and costing only themselves maybe a new patch from their puncture repair kit. Minimal noise throughout their journey and absolutely ZERO poisonous chemicals omitted into the atmosphere. Its the EXACT opposite for a motor vehicle! Yet cyclists are a problem?? Let the two wheels spin and the lycra hug my thighs. I am a better shape than almost any driver in the county. I promise.[/p][/quote]See all about yourself. I care not for cyclists or motorists.[/p][/quote]Well why the heck are you still commenting on a story likely to prompt debate between both groups?!?! More fool you methinks.[/p][/quote]I was originally saying this event sounds fine if numbers are as predicted. It is the wiggle events that cause issue due to numbers. That's why I care little fir cyclists. I prefere getting around on my pogo. Brusher Mills

2:30pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.
How can vehicles (bicycles),which are unlicensed, uninsured,unidentifi
ed,have no vehicle maintenance certificates,and are ridden by people upon whom there is no legal requirement to provide evidence of competence to drive,age or health,be regarded as "vehicles in the law just the same as cars,trucks,motorcyc
les and tractors etc..." ???!!!
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.[/p][/quote]How can vehicles (bicycles),which are unlicensed, uninsured,unidentifi ed,have no vehicle maintenance certificates,and are ridden by people upon whom there is no legal requirement to provide evidence of competence to drive,age or health,be regarded as "vehicles in the law just the same as cars,trucks,motorcyc les and tractors etc..." ???!!! Positively4thStreet

4:22pm Wed 8 Jan 14

geoff51 says...

Just what the New Forest needs Tree Huggers on Bicycles!
Seriously though The problem is not the cyclists enjoying the forest that creates a problem, it is the sheer numbers on Wiggle races that case the problems.
FOE care for the environment so they should be trusted to look after the forest infrastructure rather than ride roughshod over it.
Just what the New Forest needs Tree Huggers on Bicycles! Seriously though The problem is not the cyclists enjoying the forest that creates a problem, it is the sheer numbers on Wiggle races that case the problems. FOE care for the environment so they should be trusted to look after the forest infrastructure rather than ride roughshod over it. geoff51

10:22pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Forest Resident says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.
How can vehicles (bicycles),which are unlicensed, uninsured,unidentifi

ed,have no vehicle maintenance certificates,and are ridden by people upon whom there is no legal requirement to provide evidence of competence to drive,age or health,be regarded as "vehicles in the law just the same as cars,trucks,motorcyc

les and tractors etc..." ???!!!
Simple, it's the law, read here for example http://www.access-le
gal.co.uk/free-legal
-guides/sharing-the-
roads-with-cyclists-
tips-for-motorists-f
g-2435.htm
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.[/p][/quote]How can vehicles (bicycles),which are unlicensed, uninsured,unidentifi ed,have no vehicle maintenance certificates,and are ridden by people upon whom there is no legal requirement to provide evidence of competence to drive,age or health,be regarded as "vehicles in the law just the same as cars,trucks,motorcyc les and tractors etc..." ???!!![/p][/quote]Simple, it's the law, read here for example http://www.access-le gal.co.uk/free-legal -guides/sharing-the- roads-with-cyclists- tips-for-motorists-f g-2435.htm Forest Resident

10:40pm Wed 8 Jan 14

Drhysted says...

That plump woman with an MBE on inside out DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL NEW FOREST RESIDENTS.

She certainly does not have my voice!
That plump woman with an MBE on inside out DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ALL NEW FOREST RESIDENTS. She certainly does not have my voice! Drhysted

8:05am Thu 9 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Forest Resident wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.
How can vehicles (bicycles),which are unlicensed, uninsured,unidentifi


ed,have no vehicle maintenance certificates,and are ridden by people upon whom there is no legal requirement to provide evidence of competence to drive,age or health,be regarded as "vehicles in the law just the same as cars,trucks,motorcyc


les and tractors etc..." ???!!!
Simple, it's the law, read here for example http://www.access-le

gal.co.uk/free-legal

-guides/sharing-the-

roads-with-cyclists-

tips-for-motorists-f

g-2435.htm
The law is an @ss! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: Road going cyclists are traffic and regarded as vehicles in law just the same as cars, trucks, motorcycles, and tractors etc, the only 'problem' is incompetent and impatient motorists who cannot safely use the roads with cyclists, that's not the faults responsibility of individual cyclists or cycling events. The NFA and NPA need to take their heads out of their backsides and acknowledge the indisputable statistics that show cyclists are not killing anyone in the New Forest, quite unlike almost all other groups of road users.[/p][/quote]How can vehicles (bicycles),which are unlicensed, uninsured,unidentifi ed,have no vehicle maintenance certificates,and are ridden by people upon whom there is no legal requirement to provide evidence of competence to drive,age or health,be regarded as "vehicles in the law just the same as cars,trucks,motorcyc les and tractors etc..." ???!!![/p][/quote]Simple, it's the law, read here for example http://www.access-le gal.co.uk/free-legal -guides/sharing-the- roads-with-cyclists- tips-for-motorists-f g-2435.htm[/p][/quote]The law is an @ss! ;0) Positively4thStreet

11:35am Thu 9 Jan 14

camerajuan says...

geoff51 wrote:
Just what the New Forest needs Tree Huggers on Bicycles!
Seriously though The problem is not the cyclists enjoying the forest that creates a problem, it is the sheer numbers on Wiggle races that case the problems.
FOE care for the environment so they should be trusted to look after the forest infrastructure rather than ride roughshod over it.
Lots of cyclists do the exact same thing as a few cyclists, just in greater number. You just can't accept that cars cause more problems than cyclists do. That or you're deliberately ignoring the facts and just spouting more bigotry.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Just what the New Forest needs Tree Huggers on Bicycles! Seriously though The problem is not the cyclists enjoying the forest that creates a problem, it is the sheer numbers on Wiggle races that case the problems. FOE care for the environment so they should be trusted to look after the forest infrastructure rather than ride roughshod over it.[/p][/quote]Lots of cyclists do the exact same thing as a few cyclists, just in greater number. You just can't accept that cars cause more problems than cyclists do. That or you're deliberately ignoring the facts and just spouting more bigotry. camerajuan

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