Premier league star Thomas Hitzlsperger's revelation that he is gay reignites debate about sexuality in football

Daily Echo: Thomas Hitzlsperger Thomas Hitzlsperger

IT is the last taboo still to be confronted in the macho, ultra-competitive world of the football changing room.

In a laddish environment where any sign of difference is seized upon, it hardly comes as a surprise that gay players might be reluctant to declare their sexuality to team-mates.

That surely lies at the heart of why we have yet to see an openly homosexual footballer playing in any of Europe’s top leagues.

While football has made attempts to deal with racism, religious hatred and sectarian violence – with mixed results, it must be said – homosexuality remains firmly in the closet.

The issue was forced back into the headlines this week when Thomas Hitzlsperger became the first footballer to have played in the Premier League to come out as gay.

The fact the former Aston Villa, Everton and West Ham midfielder also played 52 times for Germany made him the most high-profile case for two decades when he revealed his sexuality in an interview with a German newspaper.

“It's been a long and difficult process [of becoming aware of being gay]. Only in the last few years have I realised that I preferred living together with a man,” he told Die Zeit newspaper.

“Being gay is a topic that is ignored in football, and not a serious topic in the changing room.

“Fighting spirit, passion and winning mentality are intrinsically linked, that doesn’t fit the cliche ‘gays are soft’.”

Fear There is no argument that the German has first-hand experience with this kind of football culture, where “gay” is a byword for “soft”.

And sporting stars who have come out – such as rugby player Gareth Thomas, diver Tom Daley and boxer Nicola Adams – have shown visible relief that they no longer have to hide their sexuality because of the fear of what the general public and other people in sport might think about them.

So why no top footballers in that list?

Rory Magrath, an associate lecturer at Southampton Solent University, is researching homophobia and |masculinity in football towards a PhD.

He told the Daily Echo: “There is a kind of assumed homophobia within football, which has clearly put players off coming out while they are still playing.

“I felt that it was very sad that [Hitzlsperger] had to wait until he was retired to release the news of his sexuality.”

That “assumed homophobia” is almost certainly linked to the case of former footballer Justin Fashanu, who took his own life in 1998, after years of abuse because he was gay.

The first black footballer to command a £1m transfer fee came out in an interview with The Sun in 1990.

At that time, many former colleagues spoke out and said gay people had no place in sport, while his brother, John, also a footballer, publicly disowned him.

Meanwhile former Saints star Graham Le Saux was subjected to homophobic abuse before he came to the south coast club, even though he is straight.

He says he was targeted because he was interested in different things than his team-mates, such as art and culture, and read The Guardian newspaper instead of one of the red tops.

The former defender welcomed Thomas Hitzlsperger’s revelations, saying: “Things have changed dramatically since I was playing; football is much more open-minded and international.

“Thomas didn’t feel it was right and I respect that, and I don’t think we should expect players to be that open if they think it is going to put undue pressure on them.

“What would be a shame is if there was a young gay man who was a talented footballer who turned his back on the sport because he thinks football won’t accept him.”

That things may be changing is shown by the case of Robbie Rogers, who plays for David Beckham’s former team LA Galaxy in the US Major League Soccer.

Rory Magrath said of the American: “He was one example who came out and immediately felt like he had to retire.

“But what he found was actually a positive reaction and in the end he u-turned his decision to retire and signed for LA Galaxy.

“Once again it’s a case that there is an assumed homophobia and it’s unacceptable to come out when a player is still playing.

“There is perhaps a changing football culture at grass roots and upwards but there is still a fear among professional footballers of coming out.

“We can only speculate whether this will change or not, research suggests that the likelihood is that a gay player would be accepted.”

Publically there was widespread support in the football world for Thomas Hitzlsperger’s decision to come out.

Arsenal’s German forward Lukas Podolski tweeted: "Respect to Thomas Hitzlsperger! That was a courageous and correct decision and an important step."

Match of the Day presenter Gary Lineker tweeted: “Congratulations to Thomas Hitzlsperger on bravely being the first player to have played in the PL to 'come out'”

Yet the same day saw Alex, the former Chelsea centre-back now playing for Paris Saint Germain said: "God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Yves".

Alex revealed religious reasons for his disapproval in a French television programme called Jesus Football Club. His comments weren’t specifically aimed at the Hitzlsperger case – the programme was recorded before it had happened – but it shows there is still some way to go before a homosexual player would be wholly accepted.

As with racism, homophobia in football won’t be a problem anymore only when players no longer have to use newspaper headlines and social media to “come out”.

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8:57am Sun 12 Jan 14

Maine Lobster says...

I don't blame Hitzlsperger for retiring before coming out. We all know how English crowds can be over less sensitive matters. A gay player is likely to come under a lot of abuse which would not help him or his team and would detract from the team performance. In the Premier League especially, that means money, a lot of it and most people running the business will see openly gay players as an expensive moral issue.
I don't blame Hitzlsperger for retiring before coming out. We all know how English crowds can be over less sensitive matters. A gay player is likely to come under a lot of abuse which would not help him or his team and would detract from the team performance. In the Premier League especially, that means money, a lot of it and most people running the business will see openly gay players as an expensive moral issue. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 8

9:06am Sun 12 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

On the contrary. Like discovering you're a victim of the depravity of some TV star in the 1960's the "me too" syndrome appears fully operational here as everywhere. They'll all be "gay". It'll be trendy.. Just wait and see.
On the contrary. Like discovering you're a victim of the depravity of some TV star in the 1960's the "me too" syndrome appears fully operational here as everywhere. They'll all be "gay". It'll be trendy.. Just wait and see. Dai Rear
  • Score: -17

9:12am Sun 12 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

I've given away my age. Those slightly younger than me would say "cool" I think, not "trendy"
I've given away my age. Those slightly younger than me would say "cool" I think, not "trendy" Dai Rear
  • Score: -6

9:28am Sun 12 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Iain Dowie, even a gay man would'nt!
Iain Dowie, even a gay man would'nt! issacchunt
  • Score: 3

9:31am Sun 12 Jan 14

Linesman says...

issacchunt wrote:
Iain Dowie, even a gay man would'nt!
Are you spokesperson for the gay community?
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Iain Dowie, even a gay man would'nt![/p][/quote]Are you spokesperson for the gay community? Linesman
  • Score: 2

9:37am Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

Why is this even news in the Echo?
What difference does it make if he likes men or women or both as long as he can scores goals surely that is the most inmportant thing.
You surely have to ask yourself though, why is it anybody elses business?
As long as you aren't hurting people, it isn't illegal & you can still do your job to the best of yur ability.......we don't need to know :)
Why is this even news in the Echo? What difference does it make if he likes men or women or both as long as he can scores goals surely that is the most inmportant thing. You surely have to ask yourself though, why is it anybody elses business? As long as you aren't hurting people, it isn't illegal & you can still do your job to the best of yur ability.......we don't need to know :) SOULJACKER
  • Score: 12

9:41am Sun 12 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

I personally don't give a monkeys about the sexuality of anyone, footballer, actor, politician or the neighbour next door. But them I'm not stupid enough to pay lots of shekels to watch 22 grown men kick a bag of air about. Could be interested in watching Arsenal ladies however, thats the only sport I watch on telly.
I personally don't give a monkeys about the sexuality of anyone, footballer, actor, politician or the neighbour next door. But them I'm not stupid enough to pay lots of shekels to watch 22 grown men kick a bag of air about. Could be interested in watching Arsenal ladies however, thats the only sport I watch on telly. Inform Al
  • Score: 4

9:49am Sun 12 Jan 14

willygetaway says...

Now then coming out and admitting you have played for wet spam, now that was brave. COYR
Now then coming out and admitting you have played for wet spam, now that was brave. COYR willygetaway
  • Score: 2

10:04am Sun 12 Jan 14

Malcombe says...

Maine Lobster
Compliments to you for your excellent comments every bit is politely explained and puts it in a nutshell I ticked thumb up.

Any male Professional Football Player who is Gay has to keep it a secret and if it's known within the Team the loyalty of his Team Mates will keep it that way.
We would all have to be very naive if we thought that Gays do not play Football, the problem is there is a minority of Supporters at all grounds who act like Morons and would never stop mocking a Gay Player where ever he plays, the majority of Supporters wouldn't care one bit as long as whatever position he plays he's outstanding for his Team and always gives 100%, personally I wouldn't care if a Player had buck teeth was covered in hairs, had moobs or nail varnish and lipstick as long as he does his job
Maine Lobster Compliments to you for your excellent comments every bit is politely explained and puts it in a nutshell I ticked thumb up. Any male Professional Football Player who is Gay has to keep it a secret and if it's known within the Team the loyalty of his Team Mates will keep it that way. We would all have to be very naive if we thought that Gays do not play Football, the problem is there is a minority of Supporters at all grounds who act like Morons and would never stop mocking a Gay Player where ever he plays, the majority of Supporters wouldn't care one bit as long as whatever position he plays he's outstanding for his Team and always gives 100%, personally I wouldn't care if a Player had buck teeth was covered in hairs, had moobs or nail varnish and lipstick as long as he does his job Malcombe
  • Score: 4

10:26am Sun 12 Jan 14

mess says...

i'm assuming that all those posting comments along the lines of why do we need to know a player is gay?, and why does it need to be news? are straight and have never had deal with accepting the fact you're gay and having to tell people. Most people make the assumption that a person is straight so for gay people coming out is something they are having to on an almost daily basis, to put people's assumptions right, without knowing how that person will react. Until attitudes change and gay people don't have to fear the reaction of others, then yes it is necessary for this to make news to show those that are afraid to come out that you can be gay and you can succeed in life without being gay defining who you are.
i'm assuming that all those posting comments along the lines of why do we need to know a player is gay?, and why does it need to be news? are straight and have never had deal with accepting the fact you're gay and having to tell people. Most people make the assumption that a person is straight so for gay people coming out is something they are having to on an almost daily basis, to put people's assumptions right, without knowing how that person will react. Until attitudes change and gay people don't have to fear the reaction of others, then yes it is necessary for this to make news to show those that are afraid to come out that you can be gay and you can succeed in life without being gay defining who you are. mess
  • Score: 4

10:27am Sun 12 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Linesman wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Iain Dowie, even a gay man would'nt!
Are you spokesperson for the gay community?
No, just a comment in Mr Dowie's prospects of attracting either sex. Sorry if I have offended you and your kind. Maybe you could confirm that I'm wrong and you find him attractive?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Iain Dowie, even a gay man would'nt![/p][/quote]Are you spokesperson for the gay community?[/p][/quote]No, just a comment in Mr Dowie's prospects of attracting either sex. Sorry if I have offended you and your kind. Maybe you could confirm that I'm wrong and you find him attractive? issacchunt
  • Score: -1

10:46am Sun 12 Jan 14

MisterTom says...

Once you've visited the world twice over, eaten the best, made loads of money, live in a big house and had load of girlfriends....There is one final thing I've not experienced?
Once you've visited the world twice over, eaten the best, made loads of money, live in a big house and had load of girlfriends....There is one final thing I've not experienced? MisterTom
  • Score: 0

10:47am Sun 12 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Inform Al wrote:
I personally don't give a monkeys about the sexuality of anyone, footballer, actor, politician or the neighbour next door. But them I'm not stupid enough to pay lots of shekels to watch 22 grown men kick a bag of air about. Could be interested in watching Arsenal ladies however, thats the only sport I watch on telly.
MCP's are the worse kind of hypocrite.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: I personally don't give a monkeys about the sexuality of anyone, footballer, actor, politician or the neighbour next door. But them I'm not stupid enough to pay lots of shekels to watch 22 grown men kick a bag of air about. Could be interested in watching Arsenal ladies however, thats the only sport I watch on telly.[/p][/quote]MCP's are the worse kind of hypocrite. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

12:03pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

mess wrote:
i'm assuming that all those posting comments along the lines of why do we need to know a player is gay?, and why does it need to be news? are straight and have never had deal with accepting the fact you're gay and having to tell people. Most people make the assumption that a person is straight so for gay people coming out is something they are having to on an almost daily basis, to put people's assumptions right, without knowing how that person will react. Until attitudes change and gay people don't have to fear the reaction of others, then yes it is necessary for this to make news to show those that are afraid to come out that you can be gay and you can succeed in life without being gay defining who you are.
'Mess'
I think for you to assume our sexuality is a big assumption.
I am merely saying that:
I DON'T CARE & I DON'T SEE WHY IT IS DEEMED AS NEWS!
We all probablydo stuff that stuff may shock others but I don't fel the need to tell the world & wait for a reaction.
It's like Tom Daily doing the Youtube thing the other day......he obviously felt that he needed to do this but let's face it we all had an idea & again so what!
You don't need to know if someone is Straight, Gay, Bi, Trans or whatever to do a job & I don't see why these people are telling me because it isn't a big deal & I really don't need to to know.
Surely by announcng it in the papers you are making it a big deal, we all probably have a 'gadar' inside us so he was probably already rumbled by people who know him.
[quote][p][bold]mess[/bold] wrote: i'm assuming that all those posting comments along the lines of why do we need to know a player is gay?, and why does it need to be news? are straight and have never had deal with accepting the fact you're gay and having to tell people. Most people make the assumption that a person is straight so for gay people coming out is something they are having to on an almost daily basis, to put people's assumptions right, without knowing how that person will react. Until attitudes change and gay people don't have to fear the reaction of others, then yes it is necessary for this to make news to show those that are afraid to come out that you can be gay and you can succeed in life without being gay defining who you are.[/p][/quote]'Mess' I think for you to assume our sexuality is a big assumption. I am merely saying that: I DON'T CARE & I DON'T SEE WHY IT IS DEEMED AS NEWS! We all probablydo stuff that stuff may shock others but I don't fel the need to tell the world & wait for a reaction. It's like Tom Daily doing the Youtube thing the other day......he obviously felt that he needed to do this but let's face it we all had an idea & again so what! You don't need to know if someone is Straight, Gay, Bi, Trans or whatever to do a job & I don't see why these people are telling me because it isn't a big deal & I really don't need to to know. Surely by announcng it in the papers you are making it a big deal, we all probably have a 'gadar' inside us so he was probably already rumbled by people who know him. SOULJACKER
  • Score: -1

12:21pm Sun 12 Jan 14

eurogordi says...

Okay, let's wait for the reaction from other contributors. Why does someone's sexuality have to be known to everyone else? And why does the LGBT community make such a big thing of people "coming out"?

There have always been gay people around but most of us didn't know and, when they "came out", most of us didn't care. I have gay friends, I have straight friends and it doesn't bother me one iota.

I also have my own thoughts about homosexuality and, what annoys me most of all, is that there are bigots on BOTH sides. If someone is gay, so be it. If someone says being gay is wrong, so be it as well.

And this is my point. One side constantly attacks the gay community as being unnatural, while the other side attacks their opponents by saying they are out of touch with modern life.

Where is respect? If people have strongly held views that homosexuality is wrong, then their opinions should be respected in the same way that the sexuality of the LGBT community should also be.

We will never move forward as long as we (and the media) continue stirring up both sides by using words such as "bigot" and "coming out".
Okay, let's wait for the reaction from other contributors. Why does someone's sexuality have to be known to everyone else? And why does the LGBT community make such a big thing of people "coming out"? There have always been gay people around but most of us didn't know and, when they "came out", most of us didn't care. I have gay friends, I have straight friends and it doesn't bother me one iota. I also have my own thoughts about homosexuality and, what annoys me most of all, is that there are bigots on BOTH sides. If someone is gay, so be it. If someone says being gay is wrong, so be it as well. And this is my point. One side constantly attacks the gay community as being unnatural, while the other side attacks their opponents by saying they are out of touch with modern life. Where is respect? If people have strongly held views that homosexuality is wrong, then their opinions should be respected in the same way that the sexuality of the LGBT community should also be. We will never move forward as long as we (and the media) continue stirring up both sides by using words such as "bigot" and "coming out". eurogordi
  • Score: 1

12:27pm Sun 12 Jan 14

cantthinkofone says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
mess wrote:
i'm assuming that all those posting comments along the lines of why do we need to know a player is gay?, and why does it need to be news? are straight and have never had deal with accepting the fact you're gay and having to tell people. Most people make the assumption that a person is straight so for gay people coming out is something they are having to on an almost daily basis, to put people's assumptions right, without knowing how that person will react. Until attitudes change and gay people don't have to fear the reaction of others, then yes it is necessary for this to make news to show those that are afraid to come out that you can be gay and you can succeed in life without being gay defining who you are.
'Mess'
I think for you to assume our sexuality is a big assumption.
I am merely saying that:
I DON'T CARE & I DON'T SEE WHY IT IS DEEMED AS NEWS!
We all probablydo stuff that stuff may shock others but I don't fel the need to tell the world & wait for a reaction.
It's like Tom Daily doing the Youtube thing the other day......he obviously felt that he needed to do this but let's face it we all had an idea & again so what!
You don't need to know if someone is Straight, Gay, Bi, Trans or whatever to do a job & I don't see why these people are telling me because it isn't a big deal & I really don't need to to know.
Surely by announcng it in the papers you are making it a big deal, we all probably have a 'gadar' inside us so he was probably already rumbled by people who know him.
It's news because people receive abuse on the basis of their sexuality.

If there was no homophobia then it wouldn't be news. But there is, and it is.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mess[/bold] wrote: i'm assuming that all those posting comments along the lines of why do we need to know a player is gay?, and why does it need to be news? are straight and have never had deal with accepting the fact you're gay and having to tell people. Most people make the assumption that a person is straight so for gay people coming out is something they are having to on an almost daily basis, to put people's assumptions right, without knowing how that person will react. Until attitudes change and gay people don't have to fear the reaction of others, then yes it is necessary for this to make news to show those that are afraid to come out that you can be gay and you can succeed in life without being gay defining who you are.[/p][/quote]'Mess' I think for you to assume our sexuality is a big assumption. I am merely saying that: I DON'T CARE & I DON'T SEE WHY IT IS DEEMED AS NEWS! We all probablydo stuff that stuff may shock others but I don't fel the need to tell the world & wait for a reaction. It's like Tom Daily doing the Youtube thing the other day......he obviously felt that he needed to do this but let's face it we all had an idea & again so what! You don't need to know if someone is Straight, Gay, Bi, Trans or whatever to do a job & I don't see why these people are telling me because it isn't a big deal & I really don't need to to know. Surely by announcng it in the papers you are making it a big deal, we all probably have a 'gadar' inside us so he was probably already rumbled by people who know him.[/p][/quote]It's news because people receive abuse on the basis of their sexuality. If there was no homophobia then it wouldn't be news. But there is, and it is. cantthinkofone
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Sun 12 Jan 14

cantthinkofone says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
I don't blame Hitzlsperger for retiring before coming out. We all know how English crowds can be over less sensitive matters. A gay player is likely to come under a lot of abuse which would not help him or his team and would detract from the team performance. In the Premier League especially, that means money, a lot of it and most people running the business will see openly gay players as an expensive moral issue.
Indeed. It *can* be overcome though. It's not very long ago that black players were being greeted with monkey chants and having bananas thrown at them. That's been driven off the terraces, and this can too.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: I don't blame Hitzlsperger for retiring before coming out. We all know how English crowds can be over less sensitive matters. A gay player is likely to come under a lot of abuse which would not help him or his team and would detract from the team performance. In the Premier League especially, that means money, a lot of it and most people running the business will see openly gay players as an expensive moral issue.[/p][/quote]Indeed. It *can* be overcome though. It's not very long ago that black players were being greeted with monkey chants and having bananas thrown at them. That's been driven off the terraces, and this can too. cantthinkofone
  • Score: 0

12:33pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Turtlebay says...

Straight men (90% of men) feel uncomfortable at being ogled by a gay as they are changing in a changing room.
Straight men (90% of men) feel uncomfortable at being ogled by a gay as they are changing in a changing room. Turtlebay
  • Score: -4

12:39pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

cantthinkofone wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
mess wrote:
i'm assuming that all those posting comments along the lines of why do we need to know a player is gay?, and why does it need to be news? are straight and have never had deal with accepting the fact you're gay and having to tell people. Most people make the assumption that a person is straight so for gay people coming out is something they are having to on an almost daily basis, to put people's assumptions right, without knowing how that person will react. Until attitudes change and gay people don't have to fear the reaction of others, then yes it is necessary for this to make news to show those that are afraid to come out that you can be gay and you can succeed in life without being gay defining who you are.
'Mess'
I think for you to assume our sexuality is a big assumption.
I am merely saying that:
I DON'T CARE & I DON'T SEE WHY IT IS DEEMED AS NEWS!
We all probablydo stuff that stuff may shock others but I don't fel the need to tell the world & wait for a reaction.
It's like Tom Daily doing the Youtube thing the other day......he obviously felt that he needed to do this but let's face it we all had an idea & again so what!
You don't need to know if someone is Straight, Gay, Bi, Trans or whatever to do a job & I don't see why these people are telling me because it isn't a big deal & I really don't need to to know.
Surely by announcng it in the papers you are making it a big deal, we all probably have a 'gadar' inside us so he was probably already rumbled by people who know him.
It's news because people receive abuse on the basis of their sexuality.

If there was no homophobia then it wouldn't be news. But there is, and it is.
But if he said nothing, then nothing would be said surely, I ain't bothered either way :D
It just seems to me that he has now loded the ammo & he wlll be the first to cry when someone pulls the trigger!
[quote][p][bold]cantthinkofone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mess[/bold] wrote: i'm assuming that all those posting comments along the lines of why do we need to know a player is gay?, and why does it need to be news? are straight and have never had deal with accepting the fact you're gay and having to tell people. Most people make the assumption that a person is straight so for gay people coming out is something they are having to on an almost daily basis, to put people's assumptions right, without knowing how that person will react. Until attitudes change and gay people don't have to fear the reaction of others, then yes it is necessary for this to make news to show those that are afraid to come out that you can be gay and you can succeed in life without being gay defining who you are.[/p][/quote]'Mess' I think for you to assume our sexuality is a big assumption. I am merely saying that: I DON'T CARE & I DON'T SEE WHY IT IS DEEMED AS NEWS! We all probablydo stuff that stuff may shock others but I don't fel the need to tell the world & wait for a reaction. It's like Tom Daily doing the Youtube thing the other day......he obviously felt that he needed to do this but let's face it we all had an idea & again so what! You don't need to know if someone is Straight, Gay, Bi, Trans or whatever to do a job & I don't see why these people are telling me because it isn't a big deal & I really don't need to to know. Surely by announcng it in the papers you are making it a big deal, we all probably have a 'gadar' inside us so he was probably already rumbled by people who know him.[/p][/quote]It's news because people receive abuse on the basis of their sexuality. If there was no homophobia then it wouldn't be news. But there is, and it is.[/p][/quote]But if he said nothing, then nothing would be said surely, I ain't bothered either way :D It just seems to me that he has now loded the ammo & he wlll be the first to cry when someone pulls the trigger! SOULJACKER
  • Score: -1

1:04pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

The ironic thing is, that many people (possibly mistakenly) assume that most women cricketers and footballers are probably gay,and yet no one bats an eyelid!
The ironic thing is, that many people (possibly mistakenly) assume that most women cricketers and footballers are probably gay,and yet no one bats an eyelid! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

1:42pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mess says...

I'm sure that had he not chosen to go public, some sleazy tabloid would have soon caught on and outed him anyway, which is probably why most in the public eye who come out choose do so so that it makes the news, and they can maintain a certain amount of control over when and how it is done so that they've had the chance to tell those to whom it matters. I'd suggest looking up the story of Chely Wright, a country singer who came out in 2010 to see why it matters to have some control over it and to see that there are cases out there where it does have a big impact on your career.
I'm sure that had he not chosen to go public, some sleazy tabloid would have soon caught on and outed him anyway, which is probably why most in the public eye who come out choose do so so that it makes the news, and they can maintain a certain amount of control over when and how it is done so that they've had the chance to tell those to whom it matters. I'd suggest looking up the story of Chely Wright, a country singer who came out in 2010 to see why it matters to have some control over it and to see that there are cases out there where it does have a big impact on your career. mess
  • Score: 0

2:55pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Huey says...

All that kissing after a goal is scored and jumping on top of each other, all getting in the tub at the end of the match..... I think football could be very gay friendly, it's halfway there already.
All that kissing after a goal is scored and jumping on top of each other, all getting in the tub at the end of the match..... I think football could be very gay friendly, it's halfway there already. Huey
  • Score: 3

3:35pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Malcombe says...

The majority of educated people in Great Britain understand homosexuality, it's been in my family for nearly a century and when I was young I had names for Gays as they are known today because I didn't understand how they preferred there own sex.
TV programs, News Papers, Magazines and the Internet have helped to explain to everyone in Britain who would like to know how homosexuality happens and why it is born in humans who did not choose to be Gay.
In this 21st Century there are many Countries especially in Africa and Russia who need educating about homosexuality rather than persecute innocent people for being born different to the majority of the population in the world who are born heterosexual.
Many Gays in the past suffered mentally and committed suicide because it was taboo and sadly it still is to many, personally I think recently some young male and female singers and sportsmen and sportswomen have come out too soon, Tom Daley for example, his admission must of shocked thousands but hopefully to all of these young Stars who were brave to come out it will never affect there special talent and they can live a very happy life and keep entertaining
The majority of educated people in Great Britain understand homosexuality, it's been in my family for nearly a century and when I was young I had names for Gays as they are known today because I didn't understand how they preferred there own sex. TV programs, News Papers, Magazines and the Internet have helped to explain to everyone in Britain who would like to know how homosexuality happens and why it is born in humans who did not choose to be Gay. In this 21st Century there are many Countries especially in Africa and Russia who need educating about homosexuality rather than persecute innocent people for being born different to the majority of the population in the world who are born heterosexual. Many Gays in the past suffered mentally and committed suicide because it was taboo and sadly it still is to many, personally I think recently some young male and female singers and sportsmen and sportswomen have come out too soon, Tom Daley for example, his admission must of shocked thousands but hopefully to all of these young Stars who were brave to come out it will never affect there special talent and they can live a very happy life and keep entertaining Malcombe
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4:14pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Malcombe wrote:
The majority of educated people in Great Britain understand homosexuality, it's been in my family for nearly a century and when I was young I had names for Gays as they are known today because I didn't understand how they preferred there own sex.
TV programs, News Papers, Magazines and the Internet have helped to explain to everyone in Britain who would like to know how homosexuality happens and why it is born in humans who did not choose to be Gay.
In this 21st Century there are many Countries especially in Africa and Russia who need educating about homosexuality rather than persecute innocent people for being born different to the majority of the population in the world who are born heterosexual.
Many Gays in the past suffered mentally and committed suicide because it was taboo and sadly it still is to many, personally I think recently some young male and female singers and sportsmen and sportswomen have come out too soon, Tom Daley for example, his admission must of shocked thousands but hopefully to all of these young Stars who were brave to come out it will never affect there special talent and they can live a very happy life and keep entertaining
In the the case of football,its probably still very much a macho thing anyway.No man in any testosterone filled environment would want to be considered as effeminate, or some kind of wus by his team mates,even if he was gay;and as we have seen in the case of rugby player Gareth Thomas,this in most cases of a gay individual competing in a male dominated sport,would be a mistaken stereotype.
But unfortunately,human nature being what it is,once that person was "out",this is the assumption that would be made by some less informed individuals,to the detriment of the person who has come out,which then might lead to them subsequently regretting their decision to be honest about their sexuality.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: The majority of educated people in Great Britain understand homosexuality, it's been in my family for nearly a century and when I was young I had names for Gays as they are known today because I didn't understand how they preferred there own sex. TV programs, News Papers, Magazines and the Internet have helped to explain to everyone in Britain who would like to know how homosexuality happens and why it is born in humans who did not choose to be Gay. In this 21st Century there are many Countries especially in Africa and Russia who need educating about homosexuality rather than persecute innocent people for being born different to the majority of the population in the world who are born heterosexual. Many Gays in the past suffered mentally and committed suicide because it was taboo and sadly it still is to many, personally I think recently some young male and female singers and sportsmen and sportswomen have come out too soon, Tom Daley for example, his admission must of shocked thousands but hopefully to all of these young Stars who were brave to come out it will never affect there special talent and they can live a very happy life and keep entertaining[/p][/quote]In the the case of football,its probably still very much a macho thing anyway.No man in any testosterone filled environment would want to be considered as effeminate, or some kind of wus by his team mates,even if he was gay;and as we have seen in the case of rugby player Gareth Thomas,this in most cases of a gay individual competing in a male dominated sport,would be a mistaken stereotype. But unfortunately,human nature being what it is,once that person was "out",this is the assumption that would be made by some less informed individuals,to the detriment of the person who has come out,which then might lead to them subsequently regretting their decision to be honest about their sexuality. Positively4thStreet
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6:51pm Sun 12 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

What's the difference between being gay or going out with some bleached blonde bimbo wag with no brain like most footballers?
What's the difference between being gay or going out with some bleached blonde bimbo wag with no brain like most footballers? bigfella777
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8:19pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

bigfella777 wrote:
What's the difference between being gay or going out with some bleached blonde bimbo wag with no brain like most footballers?
Ha ha! That made me laugh Bigfella.Well done! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: What's the difference between being gay or going out with some bleached blonde bimbo wag with no brain like most footballers?[/p][/quote]Ha ha! That made me laugh Bigfella.Well done! ;0) Positively4thStreet
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