The Daily Echo spends a day at St Mark's School, Southampton, to see how teachers and pupils embrace multiculturalism

How does a school cope when its pupils speak 47 different languages?

How does a school cope when its pupils speak 47 different languages?

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FROM Hindi and Hungarian to Spanish and Somali, with a sprinkling of Persian.

These are some of the 47 mother tongues heard ringing out from the bustling playground of just one Southampton primary school.

St Mark’s Church of England Primary School in Freemantle is one of the most multicultural schools in the country, so much so that it featured this week in a BBC TV documentary The Truth About Immigration, exploring how new arrivals from eastern Europe and other corners of the globe have transformed Britain’s towns and cities.

But what is day to day life like for teachers and pupils at the Stafford Road school, and how do they cope with such multilingual classes?

And what benefits does such multiculturalism bring to the children beginning their educational journey?

Just one in four St Mark’s 500 pupils are white British, with 99 pupils from families speaking Polish as a first language.

The combination of swelling classes and the merging of infant and junior schools has doubled the school roll, with some lessons housed in temporary classrooms.

Around 70 per cent of the school’s reception year children, aged four and five, do not speak English as a first language, while youngsters in Year 6 alone (aged nine and 10) speak 18 different languages.

Head teacher Anne Steele-Arnett said: “We have children arriving from all over the world who are coming and going all the time.

“There are so many languages that we just can’t employ people who speak each different language, so we have to think of more creative ways to work.

“One of the most important things is engaging with the parents – we don’t just take a child in, we take a family.”

The migrants’ transient lives, coupled with the neighbourhood’s short-term lettings, mean children move homes regularly and arrive in school at different ages.

Half of the current Year 5 pupils, aged eight and nine, have arrived since Year 1, meaning many start unable to speak English and have gaps in their learning.

For example, new arrivals from Poland could be more than two years behind because children start school at seven rather than five and attend for four hours a day rather than six in their early years.

This is reflected in the SATs results, which put St Mark’s at the bottom of Southampton’s league table.

Only 52 per cent hit national targets for reading, writing and mathematics last year.

Mrs Steele-Arnett said she did not wish to “hide behind” the challenges faced by the school, but there were factors that could not be reflected in headline figures.

The school was also hit by flooding after lead was stolen from the roof, putting several classrooms out of action.

Despite those challenges St Mark’s was rated as good by Ofsted when inspectors last visited in 2012.

More than half of their 24 teachers are multi-lingual, with teaching assistants from other nationalities speaking French, Polish, Punjabi and Iranian, and even a Japanese librarian helping out.

The school receives some extra funding to help with learning.

Speaking and listening is incorporated into the curriculum from the early years, using sign language to help communication and using toys and other props to help expand pupils’ vocabulary.

Those needing extra help are put in different groups to avoid holding back other pupils and often rapidly move up the sets as their language improves.

Marzena Andrzesewska is one of the school’s English Additional Language (EAL) assistant working with new arrivals.

She is Polish and also speaks Russian – a common dialect of Lithuanian and Latvian pupils – and aims to learn Bulgarian.

She organises regular coffee mornings for Polish parents with representatives including the GMB Union, EU Welcome group and autism group the Diamond Centre.

She said: “Children have many things to cope with, not just the languages.

“We have to work to bring the children to the best possible level.

There are many benefits from sharing different cultures.”

Lessons are meticulously planned, while strategies to improve learning are drawn up with input teaching and learning mentor Peter Beare.

He said one of the most difficult things is balancing the language barrier with pitching work to the child’s ability.

He added: “A pupil from another country might be very good at maths or science, so we need to find out very quickly.

“We have to find where we can support them in their learning.”

Opportunities are taken to incorporate culture by marking various religious festivals and celebrations such as Ramadan and Eid, and encouraging some pupils to serve as mentors to help others with reading and writing.

Mrs Steele-Arnett said: “There are challenges, but we see it as a positive.

“What makes me most proud is going round the school and seeing the children working together.

“We have children who are speaking three languages and these are the ones who will make a difference in the international markets in the future with their skills of communication, resilience and leadership.”

Parent Samuel Lartey arrived in Southampton from Ghana in 2001.

His twin daughters Jarielle and Joelle, five, are fluent in English but speak Fanti as their first language at home.

He said: “The foundation years classes here are very strong, and the teachers are so passionate.

“It’s a great experience for the girls as you hear them speaking phrases in Chinese and Polish.”

Southampton City Council Cabinet minister for change Daniel Jeffery said the city’s multicultural schools present learning challenges, but added: “The school is showing how integration can work well and bring them into the Southampton family.”

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11:19am Sun 12 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts. issacchunt
  • Score: 58

11:31am Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise. freefinker
  • Score: -48

11:39am Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
You aint kidding.
My kids class only has three English kids in it & it's strange that two out of three have 'ADHD' & wotnot.
It seems to me that English kids now get held back because the teachers spend so much time on the foreign kids.
Mind you most of the foreign kids at his school are more intellignt than their parents who hang around the school gates with their hignhlighted hair, tatoos, six babies in push chairs & toaking on a fag :)
They have also recently doubled the size of the school to incorporate more Poles too.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]You aint kidding. My kids class only has three English kids in it & it's strange that two out of three have 'ADHD' & wotnot. It seems to me that English kids now get held back because the teachers spend so much time on the foreign kids. Mind you most of the foreign kids at his school are more intellignt than their parents who hang around the school gates with their hignhlighted hair, tatoos, six babies in push chairs & toaking on a fag :) They have also recently doubled the size of the school to incorporate more Poles too. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 26

11:45am Sun 12 Jan 14

derek james says...

freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
sometimes the truth is unpalatable and the truth is something you've been running away from for a long time freefinker.if they can't speak english, learn it at their own expense.england is now officially the most overpopulated country in the eu after malta, time to face facts, we're full up
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]sometimes the truth is unpalatable and the truth is something you've been running away from for a long time freefinker.if they can't speak english, learn it at their own expense.england is now officially the most overpopulated country in the eu after malta, time to face facts, we're full up derek james
  • Score: 42

11:47am Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 35

11:54am Sun 12 Jan 14

Delboy67 says...

Once again the echo opens up its doors to a barrage of racist and uneducated comments from Ukip supporters with not anounce of sense. Please can we avoid making stories such as this a platform for anti polish bantering and stupid comments about hair, babies and pushchairs. Pointless.
Once again the echo opens up its doors to a barrage of racist and uneducated comments from Ukip supporters with not anounce of sense. Please can we avoid making stories such as this a platform for anti polish bantering and stupid comments about hair, babies and pushchairs. Pointless. Delboy67
  • Score: -29

11:58am Sun 12 Jan 14

bluecougar says...

This is the reason why I sent my children to a private school where there is only one language - English, except when they learn a foreign language as part of their lessons.

This article is ridiculous, we are not embracing multiculturalism we are having to do this because of a leftie liberal attitude where it is not pc to have an opinion, we are fast becoming the joke of Europe, other countries protect their identity, when I lived abroad and when to school we had to speak the language of that country otherwise you would get left behind. If I could leave the UK I would go tomorrow, and NO I am not attached to any political party.
This is the reason why I sent my children to a private school where there is only one language - English, except when they learn a foreign language as part of their lessons. This article is ridiculous, we are not embracing multiculturalism we are having to do this because of a leftie liberal attitude where it is not pc to have an opinion, we are fast becoming the joke of Europe, other countries protect their identity, when I lived abroad and when to school we had to speak the language of that country otherwise you would get left behind. If I could leave the UK I would go tomorrow, and NO I am not attached to any political party. bluecougar
  • Score: 34

12:09pm Sun 12 Jan 14

eurogordi says...

Whichever political view you take, having so many languages spoken in one school is unacceptable. The doors are open to EU citizens, and that's before asylum seeking families (irrespective of whether they are genuine or not) are added to the equation. English schools should teach ALL lessons in English. If you don't understand the language, then you learn it (or in the case of children, the parents pay for private classes). I have nothing against people from other nations on a personal level but, as someone has already said, this small island is already overcrowded and something must be done. I have reservations about UKIP, but I can also see why more and more people are turning to a party that is the only one to openly challenge what is happening. It is time for EVERYONE in this country to wake up and realise what is actually happening out there!
Whichever political view you take, having so many languages spoken in one school is unacceptable. The doors are open to EU citizens, and that's before asylum seeking families (irrespective of whether they are genuine or not) are added to the equation. English schools should teach ALL lessons in English. If you don't understand the language, then you learn it (or in the case of children, the parents pay for private classes). I have nothing against people from other nations on a personal level but, as someone has already said, this small island is already overcrowded and something must be done. I have reservations about UKIP, but I can also see why more and more people are turning to a party that is the only one to openly challenge what is happening. It is time for EVERYONE in this country to wake up and realise what is actually happening out there! eurogordi
  • Score: 30

12:10pm Sun 12 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Bleeding heart, the fear of the 2 main political parties is rising fast. UKIP are being attacked by everyone now, it is disgraceful that none of the real political parties have done anything about immigration. Now we have a one trick pony that will stir up politics due to the lack of action by any mainstream party.

lets all do it now for the betterment of ours futures. Either that or suffer more of the same.

Freethinker, come back with an arguement. How is this relentless immigration making things better for the settled community. How is this huge drain on the public purse a good thing. A drain on the nhs, schools and benefits?

How is it good for us all?
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Bleeding heart, the fear of the 2 main political parties is rising fast. UKIP are being attacked by everyone now, it is disgraceful that none of the real political parties have done anything about immigration. Now we have a one trick pony that will stir up politics due to the lack of action by any mainstream party. lets all do it now for the betterment of ours futures. Either that or suffer more of the same. Freethinker, come back with an arguement. How is this relentless immigration making things better for the settled community. How is this huge drain on the public purse a good thing. A drain on the nhs, schools and benefits? How is it good for us all? issacchunt
  • Score: 15

12:14pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Delboy67 says...

My child is at St Marks and she has agroup of friends from a variety of backgrounds and cultures. It is wonderful for her to learn about the world through her relationship with these children They are polite, hardworking and bring interest and diversity to the school. The only parents I have encountered who are inappropriate in their language and behaviour have been local white British parents. Parents of non Brit kids behave impeccably, regardless of highlights. We are all human - get used to it. Have to say also, Shirley High Street has had a massive revival P olish shops. I feel much safer in the evening with more people on the streets.
My child is at St Marks and she has agroup of friends from a variety of backgrounds and cultures. It is wonderful for her to learn about the world through her relationship with these children They are polite, hardworking and bring interest and diversity to the school. The only parents I have encountered who are inappropriate in their language and behaviour have been local white British parents. Parents of non Brit kids behave impeccably, regardless of highlights. We are all human - get used to it. Have to say also, Shirley High Street has had a massive revival P olish shops. I feel much safer in the evening with more people on the streets. Delboy67
  • Score: -19

12:15pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Delboy67 says...

Excuse my error. Dodgy phone keys.
Excuse my error. Dodgy phone keys. Delboy67
  • Score: -6

12:22pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
sometimes the truth is unpalatable and the truth is something you've been running away from for a long time freefinker.if they can't speak english, learn it at their own expense.england is now officially the most overpopulated country in the eu after malta, time to face facts, we're full up
.. you’re just proving my point.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]sometimes the truth is unpalatable and the truth is something you've been running away from for a long time freefinker.if they can't speak english, learn it at their own expense.england is now officially the most overpopulated country in the eu after malta, time to face facts, we're full up[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point. freefinker
  • Score: -4

12:23pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
.. you’re just proving my point.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point. freefinker
  • Score: -7

12:23pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

issacchunt wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Bleeding heart, the fear of the 2 main political parties is rising fast. UKIP are being attacked by everyone now, it is disgraceful that none of the real political parties have done anything about immigration. Now we have a one trick pony that will stir up politics due to the lack of action by any mainstream party.

lets all do it now for the betterment of ours futures. Either that or suffer more of the same.

Freethinker, come back with an arguement. How is this relentless immigration making things better for the settled community. How is this huge drain on the public purse a good thing. A drain on the nhs, schools and benefits?

How is it good for us all?
.. you’re just proving my point.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Bleeding heart, the fear of the 2 main political parties is rising fast. UKIP are being attacked by everyone now, it is disgraceful that none of the real political parties have done anything about immigration. Now we have a one trick pony that will stir up politics due to the lack of action by any mainstream party. lets all do it now for the betterment of ours futures. Either that or suffer more of the same. Freethinker, come back with an arguement. How is this relentless immigration making things better for the settled community. How is this huge drain on the public purse a good thing. A drain on the nhs, schools and benefits? How is it good for us all?[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point. freefinker
  • Score: -8

12:24pm Sun 12 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Delboy67 wrote:
Once again the echo opens up its doors to a barrage of racist and uneducated comments from Ukip supporters with not anounce of sense. Please can we avoid making stories such as this a platform for anti polish bantering and stupid comments about hair, babies and pushchairs. Pointless.
Read all comments, not a lot of racism here. You need to be able to see others outlooks. Teenagers hanging around cannot get the old fashioned starter jobs as an employer has of course taken an experienced older immigrant rather than take a young trainee for the same money.

I understand why immigrants come here, I understand why employers employ them but I also see what is doing to society. Why can't you? Do you not care.
[quote][p][bold]Delboy67[/bold] wrote: Once again the echo opens up its doors to a barrage of racist and uneducated comments from Ukip supporters with not anounce of sense. Please can we avoid making stories such as this a platform for anti polish bantering and stupid comments about hair, babies and pushchairs. Pointless.[/p][/quote]Read all comments, not a lot of racism here. You need to be able to see others outlooks. Teenagers hanging around cannot get the old fashioned starter jobs as an employer has of course taken an experienced older immigrant rather than take a young trainee for the same money. I understand why immigrants come here, I understand why employers employ them but I also see what is doing to society. Why can't you? Do you not care. issacchunt
  • Score: 20

12:26pm Sun 12 Jan 14

southy says...

issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
Don't fall into the Government hearsay, all this immigration chatter is a smoke screen to bring in privatisation to the NHS
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]Don't fall into the Government hearsay, all this immigration chatter is a smoke screen to bring in privatisation to the NHS southy
  • Score: -15

12:30pm Sun 12 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
You are correct. The interesting thing is no one comments on ukips tax proposal ( hilarious), education proposals where they advocate banning certain films and documentaries ( 1930's and 40's Germany), their er 'interesting' proposals for the armed forces. That would involve a little bit more effort on most peoples part. Pretty sad really.
The job argument is a smoke screen. If we didn't have a couple of generations of people who don't understand the consequences of not studying, or not wanting to better themselves and had the slightest motivation to work for a living things may be different. Learn something from the way the vast majority of these 'evil' foreigners go about their life and what they are trying to achieve. Appreciate that if you have no qualifications and can't be bothered the the minimum wage is where your have to start.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]You are correct. The interesting thing is no one comments on ukips tax proposal ( hilarious), education proposals where they advocate banning certain films and documentaries ( 1930's and 40's Germany), their er 'interesting' proposals for the armed forces. That would involve a little bit more effort on most peoples part. Pretty sad really. The job argument is a smoke screen. If we didn't have a couple of generations of people who don't understand the consequences of not studying, or not wanting to better themselves and had the slightest motivation to work for a living things may be different. Learn something from the way the vast majority of these 'evil' foreigners go about their life and what they are trying to achieve. Appreciate that if you have no qualifications and can't be bothered the the minimum wage is where your have to start. elvisimo
  • Score: 4

12:31pm Sun 12 Jan 14

southy says...

issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
What the echo left out was most not all of these kids speak English also, its only a very few that don't
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]What the echo left out was most not all of these kids speak English also, its only a very few that don't southy
  • Score: 5

12:31pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
.. you’re just proving my point.
You are so ve typical aren't you.
Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc....
If you're so darn clever.......do tell?
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point.[/p][/quote]You are so ve typical aren't you. Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc.... If you're so darn clever.......do tell? SOULJACKER
  • Score: 8

12:31pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Turtlebay says...

This is England! Teach them all to speak English!
This is England! Teach them all to speak English! Turtlebay
  • Score: 19

12:37pm Sun 12 Jan 14

southy says...

Echo St Marks school is on the wrong side of Howards Road to be in Freemantle, its the bottom end of Shirley
Echo St Marks school is on the wrong side of Howards Road to be in Freemantle, its the bottom end of Shirley southy
  • Score: -13

12:39pm Sun 12 Jan 14

southy says...

Turtlebay wrote:
This is England! Teach them all to speak English!
They do most all ready speak some from of English but needs that little bit more help, Its a bit misleading of the Echo to say what go's on in the Playground and not what go's on in the Class room
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote: This is England! Teach them all to speak English![/p][/quote]They do most all ready speak some from of English but needs that little bit more help, Its a bit misleading of the Echo to say what go's on in the Playground and not what go's on in the Class room southy
  • Score: -1

12:41pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
.. you’re just proving my point.
You are so ve typical aren't you.
Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc....
If you're so darn clever.......do tell?
ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances.

Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we?

Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point.[/p][/quote]You are so ve typical aren't you. Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc.... If you're so darn clever.......do tell?[/p][/quote]ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances. Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we? Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past. freefinker
  • Score: 2

12:49pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
.. you’re just proving my point.
You are so ve typical aren't you.
Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc....
If you're so darn clever.......do tell?
ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances.

Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we?

Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past.
Oh you are a foolish thing are't you!
I work with around about thirty Polish lads & while as people they are good mates, they are the first to admit that they are only over here to get the child benefits & health benefits because they wouldn't get that amount of money in Poland.
They send their wages home because they are building houses to go back to Poland to eventually & as has been in the news of late, they get their child benefits paid even when the kids are living in Poland.
They have even said that they find it funny & they don't know why we put up with it that they can come here & get all these benefits even if they are unemployed.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point.[/p][/quote]You are so ve typical aren't you. Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc.... If you're so darn clever.......do tell?[/p][/quote]ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances. Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we? Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past.[/p][/quote]Oh you are a foolish thing are't you! I work with around about thirty Polish lads & while as people they are good mates, they are the first to admit that they are only over here to get the child benefits & health benefits because they wouldn't get that amount of money in Poland. They send their wages home because they are building houses to go back to Poland to eventually & as has been in the news of late, they get their child benefits paid even when the kids are living in Poland. They have even said that they find it funny & they don't know why we put up with it that they can come here & get all these benefits even if they are unemployed. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 19

12:50pm Sun 12 Jan 14

southy says...

Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen.
I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism
Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen. I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism southy
  • Score: -20

12:55pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
.. you’re just proving my point.
You are so ve typical aren't you.
Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc....
If you're so darn clever.......do tell?
ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances.

Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we?

Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past.
Oh you are a foolish thing are't you!
I work with around about thirty Polish lads & while as people they are good mates, they are the first to admit that they are only over here to get the child benefits & health benefits because they wouldn't get that amount of money in Poland.
They send their wages home because they are building houses to go back to Poland to eventually & as has been in the news of late, they get their child benefits paid even when the kids are living in Poland.
They have even said that they find it funny & they don't know why we put up with it that they can come here & get all these benefits even if they are unemployed.
.. anecdote, anecdote and anecdote.
Doesn’t alter the FACTS. They contribute more than they take. And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point.[/p][/quote]You are so ve typical aren't you. Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc.... If you're so darn clever.......do tell?[/p][/quote]ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances. Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we? Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past.[/p][/quote]Oh you are a foolish thing are't you! I work with around about thirty Polish lads & while as people they are good mates, they are the first to admit that they are only over here to get the child benefits & health benefits because they wouldn't get that amount of money in Poland. They send their wages home because they are building houses to go back to Poland to eventually & as has been in the news of late, they get their child benefits paid even when the kids are living in Poland. They have even said that they find it funny & they don't know why we put up with it that they can come here & get all these benefits even if they are unemployed.[/p][/quote].. anecdote, anecdote and anecdote. Doesn’t alter the FACTS. They contribute more than they take. And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole. freefinker
  • Score: 5

1:10pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Quite Frankly says...

It must be a full moon soon - the UKIP loons are howling again.

Their tiny-minded yearning for a mythical Britain would be funny, were it not so potentially divisive. No policies, apart from a) No more 'foreigners'; and b) We're not racist.

The amount of attention given to these buffoons is disproportionate to their influence. Starve them of the publicity they do not deserve.
It must be a full moon soon - the UKIP loons are howling again. Their tiny-minded yearning for a mythical Britain would be funny, were it not so potentially divisive. No policies, apart from a) No more 'foreigners'; and b) We're not racist. The amount of attention given to these buffoons is disproportionate to their influence. Starve them of the publicity they do not deserve. Quite Frankly
  • Score: -6

1:13pm Sun 12 Jan 14

On the inside says...

issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
You are not an 'R' you are a 'C' and apparently proud of it.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]You are not an 'R' you are a 'C' and apparently proud of it. On the inside
  • Score: -8

1:16pm Sun 12 Jan 14

issacchunt says...

Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever. issacchunt
  • Score: 11

1:42pm Sun 12 Jan 14

southy says...

issacchunt wrote:
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
This country is not really broke, the problem is that the super wealthy is hoarding the country wealth and not willing to invest in the country they much prefer to hold there wealth in Tax Free Banking, they also not being tax rightly in other areas also, and if that,s not enough they want more
If they paid just 1% of that off-shore tax free banking to the tax man it would clear our National debt that they created in 10 years. are UKIP willing to Tax them No they are not because UKIP is part of the same system just that they are more right wing than the Torys
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.[/p][/quote]This country is not really broke, the problem is that the super wealthy is hoarding the country wealth and not willing to invest in the country they much prefer to hold there wealth in Tax Free Banking, they also not being tax rightly in other areas also, and if that,s not enough they want more If they paid just 1% of that off-shore tax free banking to the tax man it would clear our National debt that they created in 10 years. are UKIP willing to Tax them No they are not because UKIP is part of the same system just that they are more right wing than the Torys southy
  • Score: -10

1:47pm Sun 12 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

Quite Frankly wrote:
It must be a full moon soon - the UKIP loons are howling again.

Their tiny-minded yearning for a mythical Britain would be funny, were it not so potentially divisive. No policies, apart from a) No more 'foreigners'; and b) We're not racist.

The amount of attention given to these buffoons is disproportionate to their influence. Starve them of the publicity they do not deserve.
They have other policies do a bit of digging, they are hilarious or scary, depends which one you read.
[quote][p][bold]Quite Frankly[/bold] wrote: It must be a full moon soon - the UKIP loons are howling again. Their tiny-minded yearning for a mythical Britain would be funny, were it not so potentially divisive. No policies, apart from a) No more 'foreigners'; and b) We're not racist. The amount of attention given to these buffoons is disproportionate to their influence. Starve them of the publicity they do not deserve.[/p][/quote]They have other policies do a bit of digging, they are hilarious or scary, depends which one you read. elvisimo
  • Score: -4

1:52pm Sun 12 Jan 14

elvisimo says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
.. you’re just proving my point.
You are so ve typical aren't you.
Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc....
If you're so darn clever.......do tell?
Don't you think our own few million obese lazy scroungers are the issue regarding drain on resources and not people who work and therefore pay taxes. Very easy to focus on tiny issues whilst missing the bigger picture.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point.[/p][/quote]You are so ve typical aren't you. Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc.... If you're so darn clever.......do tell?[/p][/quote]Don't you think our own few million obese lazy scroungers are the issue regarding drain on resources and not people who work and therefore pay taxes. Very easy to focus on tiny issues whilst missing the bigger picture. elvisimo
  • Score: -3

2:27pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
Perhaps if posters didn't go out of their way to pre-emptively put down anyone daring to disagree, and label them "liberal do-gooders" or any number of other tired old cliches, they wouldn't appear so hostile. It is possible to simply state a point of view, without adding "and if you disagree you're by definition some sort of idiot" clauses at the end. What may well be a reasonable opinion actually comes across as neanderthal drivel when it has such idiocy attached.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.[/p][/quote]Perhaps if posters didn't go out of their way to pre-emptively put down anyone daring to disagree, and label them "liberal do-gooders" or any number of other tired old cliches, they wouldn't appear so hostile. It is possible to simply state a point of view, without adding "and if you disagree you're by definition some sort of idiot" clauses at the end. What may well be a reasonable opinion actually comes across as neanderthal drivel when it has such idiocy attached. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

2:28pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

freefinker wrote:
derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
sometimes the truth is unpalatable and the truth is something you've been running away from for a long time freefinker.if they can't speak english, learn it at their own expense.england is now officially the most overpopulated country in the eu after malta, time to face facts, we're full up
.. you’re just proving my point.
Don't bother. These morons are aware their opinions do not stand on their merits, hence the endless "oh and if you disagree you're a pansy" rhetoric. Tragically, other morons fall for this rhetoric, and as a result, a sensible debate on the subject is impossible. They do their cause much more harm than good.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]sometimes the truth is unpalatable and the truth is something you've been running away from for a long time freefinker.if they can't speak english, learn it at their own expense.england is now officially the most overpopulated country in the eu after malta, time to face facts, we're full up[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point.[/p][/quote]Don't bother. These morons are aware their opinions do not stand on their merits, hence the endless "oh and if you disagree you're a pansy" rhetoric. Tragically, other morons fall for this rhetoric, and as a result, a sensible debate on the subject is impossible. They do their cause much more harm than good. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -6

2:46pm Sun 12 Jan 14

vpharm says...

send the translation costs to the parents!
My cousin went to spain & he had to pay for his child to have things translated!
send the translation costs to the parents! My cousin went to spain & he had to pay for his child to have things translated! vpharm
  • Score: 9

2:47pm Sun 12 Jan 14

jen1 says...

What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first
What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first jen1
  • Score: 12

3:00pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

jen1 wrote:
What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first
I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real.

“toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first[/p][/quote]I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real. “toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance? freefinker
  • Score: -9

3:11pm Sun 12 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

jen1 wrote:
What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first
Ah, "liberal do-gooders" the last refuge of the truly imaginationless.
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first[/p][/quote]Ah, "liberal do-gooders" the last refuge of the truly imaginationless. gilbertratchet
  • Score: -6

3:16pm Sun 12 Jan 14

soton_moon says...

southy wrote:
Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen.
I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism
Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid?

@charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron.

So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen. I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism[/p][/quote]Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid? @charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron. So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening. soton_moon
  • Score: 17

3:20pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

issacchunt wrote:
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand?

It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact.

Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them.

You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.[/p][/quote]What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand? It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact. Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them. You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post. freefinker
  • Score: -6

3:25pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Bagamn says...

jen1 wrote:
What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first
The best idea is to bring back compulsory National Service, If you don't wart to do it, don't come here. The French had this ruling up to a few years ago. It stopped there immigration problem very quickly as North Africans did not want to fight for another country. It would also save on Military spending as National Servicemen are paid a lower wage than full-time servicemen.
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first[/p][/quote]The best idea is to bring back compulsory National Service, If you don't wart to do it, don't come here. The French had this ruling up to a few years ago. It stopped there immigration problem very quickly as North Africans did not want to fight for another country. It would also save on Military spending as National Servicemen are paid a lower wage than full-time servicemen. Bagamn
  • Score: 9

3:38pm Sun 12 Jan 14

jen1 says...

freefinker wrote:
jen1 wrote:
What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first
I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real.

“toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?
They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that.

There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in.

If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first[/p][/quote]I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real. “toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?[/p][/quote]They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that. There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in. If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries jen1
  • Score: 8

3:45pm Sun 12 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

jen1 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
jen1 wrote:
What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first
I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real.

“toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?
They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that.

There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in.

If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries
If monoculturalism is working so well in those countries, why are so many of the people making their way to the UK?
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first[/p][/quote]I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real. “toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?[/p][/quote]They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that. There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in. If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries[/p][/quote]If monoculturalism is working so well in those countries, why are so many of the people making their way to the UK? gilbertratchet
  • Score: 7

3:50pm Sun 12 Jan 14

jen1 says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
jen1 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
jen1 wrote:
What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first
I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real.

“toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?
They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that.

There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in.

If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries
If monoculturalism is working so well in those countries, why are so many of the people making their way to the UK?
Well probably because of the free healthcare, benefits, housing, education, increased wages. Their monculturalism may not be working for them because their economy is weak, so they head here.

If their monoculture is rubbish, then that's their problem. Why don't they stay and help build it up instead of running to our country and destroying it in the process?
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first[/p][/quote]I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real. “toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?[/p][/quote]They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that. There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in. If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries[/p][/quote]If monoculturalism is working so well in those countries, why are so many of the people making their way to the UK?[/p][/quote]Well probably because of the free healthcare, benefits, housing, education, increased wages. Their monculturalism may not be working for them because their economy is weak, so they head here. If their monoculture is rubbish, then that's their problem. Why don't they stay and help build it up instead of running to our country and destroying it in the process? jen1
  • Score: 9

3:54pm Sun 12 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

jen1 wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
jen1 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
jen1 wrote:
What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first
I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real.

“toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?
They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that.

There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in.

If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries
If monoculturalism is working so well in those countries, why are so many of the people making their way to the UK?
Well probably because of the free healthcare, benefits, housing, education, increased wages. Their monculturalism may not be working for them because their economy is weak, so they head here.

If their monoculture is rubbish, then that's their problem. Why don't they stay and help build it up instead of running to our country and destroying it in the process?
So multiculturalism is destroying this country, but at the same time this country is more desirable to live in?
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first[/p][/quote]I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real. “toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?[/p][/quote]They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that. There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in. If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries[/p][/quote]If monoculturalism is working so well in those countries, why are so many of the people making their way to the UK?[/p][/quote]Well probably because of the free healthcare, benefits, housing, education, increased wages. Their monculturalism may not be working for them because their economy is weak, so they head here. If their monoculture is rubbish, then that's their problem. Why don't they stay and help build it up instead of running to our country and destroying it in the process?[/p][/quote]So multiculturalism is destroying this country, but at the same time this country is more desirable to live in? gilbertratchet
  • Score: -2

3:58pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

jen1 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
jen1 wrote:
What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first
I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real.

“toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?
They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that.

There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in.

If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries
Ah! “they account for the way many people feel”. The way one feels on issues such as this does not necessarily have any relationship to the facts; as you have clearly demonstrated.

If all you are subjected to is a torrent of narrow screen, black and white, UKIP/Daily Mail propaganda, rather than reality, it is no wonder you “feel” the way you do. Out in the real world, however, the picture is in cinemascope and colour. You should try it one day.
[quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jen1[/bold] wrote: What an utter mess this country is. This toxic mix of multiculturalism was never going to work. No matter what the liberal do gooders think, many many people resent it and want our country to be British again, putting the British people first[/p][/quote]I think you will find the ‘mess’ you refer to is a delusion seen only by you and your ilk. That is, those who prefer the dogmatic rhetoric of the ill-informed to the actuality of what is real. “toxic mix, multiculturalism, never going to work, liberal do gooders, want our country to be British again” – all the old ill thought out clichés. Are you a Daily Mail reader by any chance?[/p][/quote]They may be old clichés freethinker but they're true, they account for the way many people feel and trying to attach negative labels to them won't change that. There is no way I'd let my children be educated in that dumping ground of a school. If your beloved multiculturalism is so good and working well then why is it only happening in countries like Britain and especially Britain? I am not aware of a thriving multicultural, scene in Poland, Latvia, Hungary and Estonia, all countries I have visited and in a couple of cases have had friends in. If it's so good, take it there and let it benefit those countries[/p][/quote]Ah! “they account for the way many people feel”. The way one feels on issues such as this does not necessarily have any relationship to the facts; as you have clearly demonstrated. If all you are subjected to is a torrent of narrow screen, black and white, UKIP/Daily Mail propaganda, rather than reality, it is no wonder you “feel” the way you do. Out in the real world, however, the picture is in cinemascope and colour. You should try it one day. freefinker
  • Score: 0

4:02pm Sun 12 Jan 14

fairdinkum says...

soton_moon wrote:
southy wrote:
Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen.
I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism
Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid?

@charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron.

So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.
As a parent whose child went to St Mark's some years ago I can understand your concerns soton_moon. The school obviously needs more resources from Government to deal with this issue now. If government and employers believe these migrants are necessary to the economy they should make these resources available. The tax contributions made by migrants should be enough to cover this - if not, then the benefits of migration need to be rethought. Unfortunately this government is trying to spend as little on public services as it can get away with in order to give us the sweetener of some paltry tax break in the run up to the next election. I realize that none of this helps your children right now and can only wish you good luck. If it's any consolation, parental influence is probably more important than quality of schooling in the long run. Our daughter went on to a secondary school with very average overall results, but there was still the opportunity to do well there. With your support your kids should do well, and there are some social benefits in mixing with children from different backgrounds.
[quote][p][bold]soton_moon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen. I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism[/p][/quote]Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid? @charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron. So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.[/p][/quote]As a parent whose child went to St Mark's some years ago I can understand your concerns soton_moon. The school obviously needs more resources from Government to deal with this issue now. If government and employers believe these migrants are necessary to the economy they should make these resources available. The tax contributions made by migrants should be enough to cover this - if not, then the benefits of migration need to be rethought. Unfortunately this government is trying to spend as little on public services as it can get away with in order to give us the sweetener of some paltry tax break in the run up to the next election. I realize that none of this helps your children right now and can only wish you good luck. If it's any consolation, parental influence is probably more important than quality of schooling in the long run. Our daughter went on to a secondary school with very average overall results, but there was still the opportunity to do well there. With your support your kids should do well, and there are some social benefits in mixing with children from different backgrounds. fairdinkum
  • Score: 0

4:21pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

soton_moon wrote:
southy wrote:
Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen.
I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism
Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid?

@charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron.

So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.
Actually, nobody has said 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here'. Show me where this has been said, and I'll eat my hat.

And THIS is why a sensible debate is impossible. There are too many people - such as yourself - who firmly believe there are exactly 2 stances on the subject: keep 'em out, or let 'em in and do whatever they like. In reality there are many other options, but as you've proven, the "keep 'em out" brigade refuse to even acknowledge this.

Tell me again about sensible debate, please.
[quote][p][bold]soton_moon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen. I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism[/p][/quote]Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid? @charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron. So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.[/p][/quote]Actually, nobody has said 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here'. Show me where this has been said, and I'll eat my hat. And THIS is why a sensible debate is impossible. There are too many people - such as yourself - who firmly believe there are exactly 2 stances on the subject: keep 'em out, or let 'em in and do whatever they like. In reality there are many other options, but as you've proven, the "keep 'em out" brigade refuse to even acknowledge this. Tell me again about sensible debate, please. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -2

4:35pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
.. you’re just proving my point.
You are so ve typical aren't you.
Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc....
If you're so darn clever.......do tell?
ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances.

Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we?

Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past.
Oh you are a foolish thing are't you!
I work with around about thirty Polish lads & while as people they are good mates, they are the first to admit that they are only over here to get the child benefits & health benefits because they wouldn't get that amount of money in Poland.
They send their wages home because they are building houses to go back to Poland to eventually & as has been in the news of late, they get their child benefits paid even when the kids are living in Poland.
They have even said that they find it funny & they don't know why we put up with it that they can come here & get all these benefits even if they are unemployed.
.. anecdote, anecdote and anecdote.
Doesn’t alter the FACTS. They contribute more than they take. And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole.
There is no arguing with people like you because you have grown up with the likes of Blair & Cameron (after all this was started by Blair & his croneys).
You will always see people in terms af 'Racist' or 'Facist' blah, blah & so on!
The only facts I know are what my co workers tell me & they are all foreign.
You spout the usual bullcr@p & are probably a Lib Dem besides a dellusional fool.
Get back to shopping at Marks & Spencers & drinking your Latte becuase that's the only coffee you seem to be smelling!
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point.[/p][/quote]You are so ve typical aren't you. Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc.... If you're so darn clever.......do tell?[/p][/quote]ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances. Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we? Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past.[/p][/quote]Oh you are a foolish thing are't you! I work with around about thirty Polish lads & while as people they are good mates, they are the first to admit that they are only over here to get the child benefits & health benefits because they wouldn't get that amount of money in Poland. They send their wages home because they are building houses to go back to Poland to eventually & as has been in the news of late, they get their child benefits paid even when the kids are living in Poland. They have even said that they find it funny & they don't know why we put up with it that they can come here & get all these benefits even if they are unemployed.[/p][/quote].. anecdote, anecdote and anecdote. Doesn’t alter the FACTS. They contribute more than they take. And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole.[/p][/quote]There is no arguing with people like you because you have grown up with the likes of Blair & Cameron (after all this was started by Blair & his croneys). You will always see people in terms af 'Racist' or 'Facist' blah, blah & so on! The only facts I know are what my co workers tell me & they are all foreign. You spout the usual bullcr@p & are probably a Lib Dem besides a dellusional fool. Get back to shopping at Marks & Spencers & drinking your Latte becuase that's the only coffee you seem to be smelling! SOULJACKER
  • Score: 5

4:45pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand?

It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact.

Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them.

You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.
I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance!
You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you.
Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'.
I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back.
I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.[/p][/quote]What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand? It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact. Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them. You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.[/p][/quote]I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance! You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you. Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'. I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back. I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 4

4:51pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand?

It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact.

Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them.

You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.
I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance!
You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you.
Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'.
I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back.
I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.
Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.[/p][/quote]What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand? It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact. Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them. You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.[/p][/quote]I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance! You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you. Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'. I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back. I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.[/p][/quote]Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

Quite Frankly wrote:
It must be a full moon soon - the UKIP loons are howling again.

Their tiny-minded yearning for a mythical Britain would be funny, were it not so potentially divisive. No policies, apart from a) No more 'foreigners'; and b) We're not racist.

The amount of attention given to these buffoons is disproportionate to their influence. Starve them of the publicity they do not deserve.
Quite frankly ar you are a 'STEREOTYPE'
[quote][p][bold]Quite Frankly[/bold] wrote: It must be a full moon soon - the UKIP loons are howling again. Their tiny-minded yearning for a mythical Britain would be funny, were it not so potentially divisive. No policies, apart from a) No more 'foreigners'; and b) We're not racist. The amount of attention given to these buffoons is disproportionate to their influence. Starve them of the publicity they do not deserve.[/p][/quote]Quite frankly ar you are a 'STEREOTYPE' SOULJACKER
  • Score: 2

4:53pm Sun 12 Jan 14

kalebmoleturd says...

Can Daniel Jeffery stop all this,xenophobic racially motivated comments by giving us all an estimate even a guesstimate as to how long we can keep accommodating people from other countries.every coach load of immigrants equate s to at best 10 New homes.like him I can,t guess how many school places medical needs ect. That is of course if you have given it any thought. PS Just a thought if you have children /grand children what is the racial mix in their school
Can Daniel Jeffery stop all this,xenophobic racially motivated comments by giving us all an estimate even a guesstimate as to how long we can keep accommodating people from other countries.every coach load of immigrants equate s to at best 10 New homes.like him I can,t guess how many school places medical needs ect. That is of course if you have given it any thought. PS Just a thought if you have children /grand children what is the racial mix in their school kalebmoleturd
  • Score: 5

4:58pm Sun 12 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand?

It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact.

Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them.

You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.
I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance!
You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you.
Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'.
I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back.
I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.
Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.
I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad.
A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.[/p][/quote]What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand? It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact. Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them. You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.[/p][/quote]I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance! You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you. Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'. I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back. I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.[/p][/quote]Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.[/p][/quote]I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad. A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

5:08pm Sun 12 Jan 14

southy says...

fairdinkum wrote:
soton_moon wrote:
southy wrote:
Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen.
I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism
Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid?

@charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron.

So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.
As a parent whose child went to St Mark's some years ago I can understand your concerns soton_moon. The school obviously needs more resources from Government to deal with this issue now. If government and employers believe these migrants are necessary to the economy they should make these resources available. The tax contributions made by migrants should be enough to cover this - if not, then the benefits of migration need to be rethought. Unfortunately this government is trying to spend as little on public services as it can get away with in order to give us the sweetener of some paltry tax break in the run up to the next election. I realize that none of this helps your children right now and can only wish you good luck. If it's any consolation, parental influence is probably more important than quality of schooling in the long run. Our daughter went on to a secondary school with very average overall results, but there was still the opportunity to do well there. With your support your kids should do well, and there are some social benefits in mixing with children from different backgrounds.
Well according to the UKIP supporters there would be a mad rush to get here, but there is not, they are not interested in Britain apart maybe a very small number, there how many EU country,s to choose from 22 I think and Britain is last on there list of country's to go to, same happen with the Polish there was no mad rush as UKIP and there supporters claim, Most Polish that work in another country went to Germany where they have more in common with, the Romanians headed towards Italy, Spain and Portugal and again that,s because they have more in common with
[quote][p][bold]fairdinkum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_moon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen. I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism[/p][/quote]Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid? @charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron. So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.[/p][/quote]As a parent whose child went to St Mark's some years ago I can understand your concerns soton_moon. The school obviously needs more resources from Government to deal with this issue now. If government and employers believe these migrants are necessary to the economy they should make these resources available. The tax contributions made by migrants should be enough to cover this - if not, then the benefits of migration need to be rethought. Unfortunately this government is trying to spend as little on public services as it can get away with in order to give us the sweetener of some paltry tax break in the run up to the next election. I realize that none of this helps your children right now and can only wish you good luck. If it's any consolation, parental influence is probably more important than quality of schooling in the long run. Our daughter went on to a secondary school with very average overall results, but there was still the opportunity to do well there. With your support your kids should do well, and there are some social benefits in mixing with children from different backgrounds.[/p][/quote]Well according to the UKIP supporters there would be a mad rush to get here, but there is not, they are not interested in Britain apart maybe a very small number, there how many EU country,s to choose from 22 I think and Britain is last on there list of country's to go to, same happen with the Polish there was no mad rush as UKIP and there supporters claim, Most Polish that work in another country went to Germany where they have more in common with, the Romanians headed towards Italy, Spain and Portugal and again that,s because they have more in common with southy
  • Score: -6

5:09pm Sun 12 Jan 14

thesouth says...

Portswood primary is very multi cultural....and one of the top primary schools in the country, so much so that it is a 'teaching school' for others to learn from them which goes to show that English as a first language is not a priority especially when at age 4 english kids haven't really been speaking English for long themselves!! I think it's good for kids to mix with other cultures, makes them more interesting, tolerant and learn a few morals at least! Those with all the negative views are probably very dull people.
Portswood primary is very multi cultural....and one of the top primary schools in the country, so much so that it is a 'teaching school' for others to learn from them which goes to show that English as a first language is not a priority especially when at age 4 english kids haven't really been speaking English for long themselves!! I think it's good for kids to mix with other cultures, makes them more interesting, tolerant and learn a few morals at least! Those with all the negative views are probably very dull people. thesouth
  • Score: -7

5:12pm Sun 12 Jan 14

soton_moon says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
soton_moon wrote:
southy wrote:
Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen.
I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism
Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid?

@charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron.

So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.
Actually, nobody has said 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here'. Show me where this has been said, and I'll eat my hat.

And THIS is why a sensible debate is impossible. There are too many people - such as yourself - who firmly believe there are exactly 2 stances on the subject: keep 'em out, or let 'em in and do whatever they like. In reality there are many other options, but as you've proven, the "keep 'em out" brigade refuse to even acknowledge this.

Tell me again about sensible debate, please.
Bucket, I made no such mention of just 2 stances. I said: "as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron." I did not say there were two and only two viewpoints on the matter and nor did I say that I was quoting someone else, or that someone else had said those words on this page. I'm sorry if you're not able to follow along with a figurative concept, but don't feel that you have to eat yours or anyone else's hat.

I certainly don't take the 'keep em out' stance either for that matter. I have many foreign friends and colleagues that have moved here to the UK to make a contribution, and make a contribution they do, probably more so than many of the people that so hate migration. Please read what I post before taking what I say out of context and making incorrect judgements. What I actually meant was that if you have another point of view other than the most utterly liberal, people brand you a racist. And I believe they do.

Tell you about sensible debate? Certainly, it's when two parties of differing viewpoints are able to publicly discuss the relative merits of their aforementioned viewpoints, without the situation degenerating into mindless violence, moronic name-calling, or libellous misquoting.

As I said, what I have a problem with is the fact that in an English school, in England, my own children, whose education is funded in part by the exorbitant rates of tax that I pay, are not being taught because their English-speaking teachers spend most if not all of their time attempting (but ultimately failing) to communicate with non-English speaking pupils.

I am entitled to the opinion that this is a direct result of having way too few resources to deal with the very high, unusually high in fact compared to many of other schools in Southampton, levels of multiculturalism. The school is under-funded, under-staffed and under-resourced to deliver anything approaching an education.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_moon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen. I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism[/p][/quote]Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid? @charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron. So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.[/p][/quote]Actually, nobody has said 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here'. Show me where this has been said, and I'll eat my hat. And THIS is why a sensible debate is impossible. There are too many people - such as yourself - who firmly believe there are exactly 2 stances on the subject: keep 'em out, or let 'em in and do whatever they like. In reality there are many other options, but as you've proven, the "keep 'em out" brigade refuse to even acknowledge this. Tell me again about sensible debate, please.[/p][/quote]Bucket, I made no such mention of just 2 stances. I said: "as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron." I did not say there were two and only two viewpoints on the matter and nor did I say that I was quoting someone else, or that someone else had said those words on this page. I'm sorry if you're not able to follow along with a figurative concept, but don't feel that you have to eat yours or anyone else's hat. I certainly don't take the 'keep em out' stance either for that matter. I have many foreign friends and colleagues that have moved here to the UK to make a contribution, and make a contribution they do, probably more so than many of the people that so hate migration. Please read what I post before taking what I say out of context and making incorrect judgements. What I actually meant was that if you have another point of view other than the most utterly liberal, people brand you a racist. And I believe they do. Tell you about sensible debate? Certainly, it's when two parties of differing viewpoints are able to publicly discuss the relative merits of their aforementioned viewpoints, without the situation degenerating into mindless violence, moronic name-calling, or libellous misquoting. As I said, what I have a problem with is the fact that in an English school, in England, my own children, whose education is funded in part by the exorbitant rates of tax that I pay, are not being taught because their English-speaking teachers spend most if not all of their time attempting (but ultimately failing) to communicate with non-English speaking pupils. I am entitled to the opinion that this is a direct result of having way too few resources to deal with the very high, unusually high in fact compared to many of other schools in Southampton, levels of multiculturalism. The school is under-funded, under-staffed and under-resourced to deliver anything approaching an education. soton_moon
  • Score: 6

5:17pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc.

how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think.

go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.
I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.
Freefinker,
Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that.
You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you.
The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government.
It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.
.. you’re just proving my point.
You are so ve typical aren't you.
Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc....
If you're so darn clever.......do tell?
ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances.

Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we?

Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past.
Oh you are a foolish thing are't you!
I work with around about thirty Polish lads & while as people they are good mates, they are the first to admit that they are only over here to get the child benefits & health benefits because they wouldn't get that amount of money in Poland.
They send their wages home because they are building houses to go back to Poland to eventually & as has been in the news of late, they get their child benefits paid even when the kids are living in Poland.
They have even said that they find it funny & they don't know why we put up with it that they can come here & get all these benefits even if they are unemployed.
.. anecdote, anecdote and anecdote.
Doesn’t alter the FACTS. They contribute more than they take. And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole.
There is no arguing with people like you because you have grown up with the likes of Blair & Cameron (after all this was started by Blair & his croneys).
You will always see people in terms af 'Racist' or 'Facist' blah, blah & so on!
The only facts I know are what my co workers tell me & they are all foreign.
You spout the usual bullcr@p & are probably a Lib Dem besides a dellusional fool.
Get back to shopping at Marks & Spencers & drinking your Latte becuase that's the only coffee you seem to be smelling!
.. well there's a lot of abuse. Thanks for confirming my original post: -

"I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work.
You do nothing to persuade me otherwise".
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Bannister Park ex: school head boasted of 32 different languages, this is the real reason firefighters and everyone else our suffering cutbacks to pensions etc. how can any one including the government budget for the future when you have an open door policy to people coming in a taking resources they have not paid into. The pot is running dry. UKIP are saying what a lot of us think. go on, start with the 'R' word liberal bleeding hearts.[/p][/quote]I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise.[/p][/quote]Freefinker, Moronic comments as usual, Just because someone doesn't share your point of view, you come out with rubbish like that. You are a 'muticultural dinosaur' from the souind of you. The tide is turning for Britain now, have you not heard people in offces & shop floors & how they talk of this issue, they are fed up to the back teeth now with weak government. It isn't a race thing it's a money thing (or lack of) & services being stretched to the point of breaking.[/p][/quote].. you’re just proving my point.[/p][/quote]You are so ve typical aren't you. Come on then 'Clever clos' where should the money come from to pay for all these people draining the NHS, Police, Councils etc.... If you're so darn clever.......do tell?[/p][/quote]ALL the statistics show the immigrant community contribute more, pro rata, to the Exchequer than the indigenous population. Far from being a drain they make a positive contribution to our country's finances. Oh, but we don’t want facts to get in the way of those unwilling to absorb the truth from having their usual rants, do we? Hopefully the immigrant children will get more out of their education in this country than the average Daily Mail reader and UKIP supporter seem to have done in the past.[/p][/quote]Oh you are a foolish thing are't you! I work with around about thirty Polish lads & while as people they are good mates, they are the first to admit that they are only over here to get the child benefits & health benefits because they wouldn't get that amount of money in Poland. They send their wages home because they are building houses to go back to Poland to eventually & as has been in the news of late, they get their child benefits paid even when the kids are living in Poland. They have even said that they find it funny & they don't know why we put up with it that they can come here & get all these benefits even if they are unemployed.[/p][/quote].. anecdote, anecdote and anecdote. Doesn’t alter the FACTS. They contribute more than they take. And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole.[/p][/quote]There is no arguing with people like you because you have grown up with the likes of Blair & Cameron (after all this was started by Blair & his croneys). You will always see people in terms af 'Racist' or 'Facist' blah, blah & so on! The only facts I know are what my co workers tell me & they are all foreign. You spout the usual bullcr@p & are probably a Lib Dem besides a dellusional fool. Get back to shopping at Marks & Spencers & drinking your Latte becuase that's the only coffee you seem to be smelling![/p][/quote].. well there's a lot of abuse. Thanks for confirming my original post: - "I find most UKIP mouthpieces are rather nasty pieces of work. You do nothing to persuade me otherwise". freefinker
  • Score: -1

5:30pm Sun 12 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand?

It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact.

Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them.

You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.
I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance!
You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you.
Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'.
I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back.
I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.
Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.
I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad.
A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take.
Somewhat agree, althoufh I was referring specifically to freefinkers claims that: "They contribute more than they take" and "they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole" both of which are quantifiable.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.[/p][/quote]What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand? It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact. Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them. You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.[/p][/quote]I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance! You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you. Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'. I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back. I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.[/p][/quote]Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.[/p][/quote]I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad. A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take.[/p][/quote]Somewhat agree, althoufh I was referring specifically to freefinkers claims that: "They contribute more than they take" and "they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole" both of which are quantifiable. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 6

5:31pm Sun 12 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

soton_moon wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
soton_moon wrote:
southy wrote:
Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen.
I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism
Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid?

@charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron.

So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.
Actually, nobody has said 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here'. Show me where this has been said, and I'll eat my hat.

And THIS is why a sensible debate is impossible. There are too many people - such as yourself - who firmly believe there are exactly 2 stances on the subject: keep 'em out, or let 'em in and do whatever they like. In reality there are many other options, but as you've proven, the "keep 'em out" brigade refuse to even acknowledge this.

Tell me again about sensible debate, please.
Bucket, I made no such mention of just 2 stances. I said: "as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron." I did not say there were two and only two viewpoints on the matter and nor did I say that I was quoting someone else, or that someone else had said those words on this page. I'm sorry if you're not able to follow along with a figurative concept, but don't feel that you have to eat yours or anyone else's hat.

I certainly don't take the 'keep em out' stance either for that matter. I have many foreign friends and colleagues that have moved here to the UK to make a contribution, and make a contribution they do, probably more so than many of the people that so hate migration. Please read what I post before taking what I say out of context and making incorrect judgements. What I actually meant was that if you have another point of view other than the most utterly liberal, people brand you a racist. And I believe they do.

Tell you about sensible debate? Certainly, it's when two parties of differing viewpoints are able to publicly discuss the relative merits of their aforementioned viewpoints, without the situation degenerating into mindless violence, moronic name-calling, or libellous misquoting.

As I said, what I have a problem with is the fact that in an English school, in England, my own children, whose education is funded in part by the exorbitant rates of tax that I pay, are not being taught because their English-speaking teachers spend most if not all of their time attempting (but ultimately failing) to communicate with non-English speaking pupils.

I am entitled to the opinion that this is a direct result of having way too few resources to deal with the very high, unusually high in fact compared to many of other schools in Southampton, levels of multiculturalism. The school is under-funded, under-staffed and under-resourced to deliver anything approaching an education.
You made exactly such a reference. Trying to weasel out of it on a technicality makes continuing this pointless.
[quote][p][bold]soton_moon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_moon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen. I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism[/p][/quote]Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid? @charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron. So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.[/p][/quote]Actually, nobody has said 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here'. Show me where this has been said, and I'll eat my hat. And THIS is why a sensible debate is impossible. There are too many people - such as yourself - who firmly believe there are exactly 2 stances on the subject: keep 'em out, or let 'em in and do whatever they like. In reality there are many other options, but as you've proven, the "keep 'em out" brigade refuse to even acknowledge this. Tell me again about sensible debate, please.[/p][/quote]Bucket, I made no such mention of just 2 stances. I said: "as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron." I did not say there were two and only two viewpoints on the matter and nor did I say that I was quoting someone else, or that someone else had said those words on this page. I'm sorry if you're not able to follow along with a figurative concept, but don't feel that you have to eat yours or anyone else's hat. I certainly don't take the 'keep em out' stance either for that matter. I have many foreign friends and colleagues that have moved here to the UK to make a contribution, and make a contribution they do, probably more so than many of the people that so hate migration. Please read what I post before taking what I say out of context and making incorrect judgements. What I actually meant was that if you have another point of view other than the most utterly liberal, people brand you a racist. And I believe they do. Tell you about sensible debate? Certainly, it's when two parties of differing viewpoints are able to publicly discuss the relative merits of their aforementioned viewpoints, without the situation degenerating into mindless violence, moronic name-calling, or libellous misquoting. As I said, what I have a problem with is the fact that in an English school, in England, my own children, whose education is funded in part by the exorbitant rates of tax that I pay, are not being taught because their English-speaking teachers spend most if not all of their time attempting (but ultimately failing) to communicate with non-English speaking pupils. I am entitled to the opinion that this is a direct result of having way too few resources to deal with the very high, unusually high in fact compared to many of other schools in Southampton, levels of multiculturalism. The school is under-funded, under-staffed and under-resourced to deliver anything approaching an education.[/p][/quote]You made exactly such a reference. Trying to weasel out of it on a technicality makes continuing this pointless. gilbertratchet
  • Score: -3

5:37pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand?

It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact.

Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them.

You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.
I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance!
You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you.
Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'.
I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back.
I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.
Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.
I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad.
A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take.
Somewhat agree, althoufh I was referring specifically to freefinkers claims that: "They contribute more than they take" and "they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole" both of which are quantifiable.
.. well, the UKIP brigade could start her if they wish: -
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-24815770
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.[/p][/quote]What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand? It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact. Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them. You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.[/p][/quote]I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance! You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you. Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'. I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back. I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.[/p][/quote]Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.[/p][/quote]I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad. A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take.[/p][/quote]Somewhat agree, althoufh I was referring specifically to freefinkers claims that: "They contribute more than they take" and "they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole" both of which are quantifiable.[/p][/quote].. well, the UKIP brigade could start her if they wish: - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-24815770 freefinker
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

*here* not her
*here* not her freefinker
  • Score: 0

6:12pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
fairdinkum wrote:
soton_moon wrote:
southy wrote:
Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen.
I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism
Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid?

@charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron.

So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.
As a parent whose child went to St Mark's some years ago I can understand your concerns soton_moon. The school obviously needs more resources from Government to deal with this issue now. If government and employers believe these migrants are necessary to the economy they should make these resources available. The tax contributions made by migrants should be enough to cover this - if not, then the benefits of migration need to be rethought. Unfortunately this government is trying to spend as little on public services as it can get away with in order to give us the sweetener of some paltry tax break in the run up to the next election. I realize that none of this helps your children right now and can only wish you good luck. If it's any consolation, parental influence is probably more important than quality of schooling in the long run. Our daughter went on to a secondary school with very average overall results, but there was still the opportunity to do well there. With your support your kids should do well, and there are some social benefits in mixing with children from different backgrounds.
Well according to the UKIP supporters there would be a mad rush to get here, but there is not, they are not interested in Britain apart maybe a very small number, there how many EU country,s to choose from 22 I think and Britain is last on there list of country's to go to, same happen with the Polish there was no mad rush as UKIP and there supporters claim, Most Polish that work in another country went to Germany where they have more in common with, the Romanians headed towards Italy, Spain and Portugal and again that,s because they have more in common with
It should take less than thirty seconds to find the BBC report from 2006 on Tony McNultys statement about the 600000 Eastern European migrants that had come to the UK since the eight countries were allowed to join the EU. Another thirty seconds will find the Labour statement from two years before that about an estimated 13000 people that will travel to the UK after 'enlargement'. The BBC and the Labour Party, both well known for their extreme right wing views. When you've digested that, try looking at the results of the 2011 census which shows the number of new arrivals from Eastern Europe and you might realise that once again you are talking gibberish.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairdinkum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_moon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Where was this mad rush of Bulgarians, Hungarians and Romanians that UKIP was predicting, did not happen did it, the increase only went into double figures, the same thing happen with the Polish it never happen. I wish you UKIP supporters would look at those country,s population they are very low and still recovering from the lost of lives though WWII, and most of these people would prefer to stay at home and put there country right more so the Romanians, We are not being told whats going in there country with there strikes, demo,s and rally,s that,s been going on there now for a few years. they are fighting Capitalism[/p][/quote]Southy, the restriction was only lifted 12 days ago, you speak as if we've been open to them for years. If they are fighting capitalism, why are they fleeing to another capitalist country? Yes, it's a shame that they are have strikes and demo's in their own country. What about the 500'000+ Tutsis that were slaughtered in Rwanda? What about all the people in all the other countries that are far more oppressed, with much worse to live through than strikes and demo's? Why aren't you helping them, instead of whining about how everyone is racist is stupid? @charlie - discussion is impossible on this subject because as soon as someone voices an opinion on the matter that differs from 'let anyone and everyone that wants to abuse our welfare system come here' they are branded a racist and a moron. So, with regard to the actual story - how does the school cope? The simple answer is, IT DOESN'T. If your children don't go to the school then this isn't really your argument in the first place. If your children do go to the school, and you do more that simply drop your kids at the curb and drive away then you will already know that even the teachers themselves state that they are not coping. I have three children at the school, one of them has been bullied by a Polish group of children. The reason he was bullied? Because he speaks English (for real, that was what one of the pupils actually said). My daughter is one of 5 English children in her class. 5. She has learned nothing since she joined because the teachers have to focus ALL of their time and effort in trying to communicate with the multitude of other languages. The teachers aren't happy, the kids aren't happy. The school is about to go into special measures with Ofstead. Anyone with half a brain can see that the school is struggling. And no, most of the foreign children CANNOT speak English, not to the degree necessary to a) learn things and b) not hold back everyone else that CAN speak English. I'm not racist, or a moron, I just want my children to grow up with an education, which currently isn't happening.[/p][/quote]As a parent whose child went to St Mark's some years ago I can understand your concerns soton_moon. The school obviously needs more resources from Government to deal with this issue now. If government and employers believe these migrants are necessary to the economy they should make these resources available. The tax contributions made by migrants should be enough to cover this - if not, then the benefits of migration need to be rethought. Unfortunately this government is trying to spend as little on public services as it can get away with in order to give us the sweetener of some paltry tax break in the run up to the next election. I realize that none of this helps your children right now and can only wish you good luck. If it's any consolation, parental influence is probably more important than quality of schooling in the long run. Our daughter went on to a secondary school with very average overall results, but there was still the opportunity to do well there. With your support your kids should do well, and there are some social benefits in mixing with children from different backgrounds.[/p][/quote]Well according to the UKIP supporters there would be a mad rush to get here, but there is not, they are not interested in Britain apart maybe a very small number, there how many EU country,s to choose from 22 I think and Britain is last on there list of country's to go to, same happen with the Polish there was no mad rush as UKIP and there supporters claim, Most Polish that work in another country went to Germany where they have more in common with, the Romanians headed towards Italy, Spain and Portugal and again that,s because they have more in common with[/p][/quote]It should take less than thirty seconds to find the BBC report from 2006 on Tony McNultys statement about the 600000 Eastern European migrants that had come to the UK since the eight countries were allowed to join the EU. Another thirty seconds will find the Labour statement from two years before that about an estimated 13000 people that will travel to the UK after 'enlargement'. The BBC and the Labour Party, both well known for their extreme right wing views. When you've digested that, try looking at the results of the 2011 census which shows the number of new arrivals from Eastern Europe and you might realise that once again you are talking gibberish. Torchie1
  • Score: 5

6:27pm Sun 12 Jan 14

derek james says...

freefinker wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand?

It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact.

Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them.

You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.
I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance!
You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you.
Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'.
I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back.
I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.
Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.
I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad.
A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take.
Somewhat agree, althoufh I was referring specifically to freefinkers claims that: "They contribute more than they take" and "they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole" both of which are quantifiable.
.. well, the UKIP brigade could start her if they wish: -
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-24815770
clearly those like the first romanian who arrived on new year's day who was interviewed by the labour mp who was going to be a car washer and send all his money back to his girlfriend in romania is not going to be a net contributor to the economy, neither are those who are on low wages and receive tax credits, child benefit and the like.Those who are educated enough to get highly paid jobs no doubt will be
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.[/p][/quote]What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand? It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact. Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them. You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.[/p][/quote]I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance! You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you. Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'. I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back. I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.[/p][/quote]Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.[/p][/quote]I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad. A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take.[/p][/quote]Somewhat agree, althoufh I was referring specifically to freefinkers claims that: "They contribute more than they take" and "they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole" both of which are quantifiable.[/p][/quote].. well, the UKIP brigade could start her if they wish: - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-24815770[/p][/quote]clearly those like the first romanian who arrived on new year's day who was interviewed by the labour mp who was going to be a car washer and send all his money back to his girlfriend in romania is not going to be a net contributor to the economy, neither are those who are on low wages and receive tax credits, child benefit and the like.Those who are educated enough to get highly paid jobs no doubt will be derek james
  • Score: -3

6:38pm Sun 12 Jan 14

tridevo says...

I live in Germany und we have the same problems here, in the inner cities there are lots of foreign nationals some better educated some not. This is not just a problem in the UK, this is a problem in all well developed countries. The question is how do you go about solving the problems. You cannot blame the foreigners for wanting to come to the UK or other countries to give there childern a better start in life or work in a foreign land maybe be able to afford to buy a home or get on in life. The blame lies with the politicians. Have you asked yourself why so many Eastern Europeans come to the UK? answer, The minimum wages are very high.
I live in Germany und we have the same problems here, in the inner cities there are lots of foreign nationals some better educated some not. This is not just a problem in the UK, this is a problem in all well developed countries. The question is how do you go about solving the problems. You cannot blame the foreigners for wanting to come to the UK or other countries to give there childern a better start in life or work in a foreign land maybe be able to afford to buy a home or get on in life. The blame lies with the politicians. Have you asked yourself why so many Eastern Europeans come to the UK? answer, The minimum wages are very high. tridevo
  • Score: 1

6:42pm Sun 12 Jan 14

WarwickNights says...

Please can we send Pochetino, his back room staff, Boruc, Lovren, Fonte, Schneiderlein, Ramirez, Wanyama and Cortese back home on he first FlyBe jet out of the country. These foreigners coming over here with their slack work ethics and poorly paid jobs. Scroungers. What have they and their ilk ever done for the local community with their high band tax rate contributions?

I'm just off to JD Sports for some cheap leisure wear in preparation for Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt tomorrow. These foreigners need to take a leaf out of our book
Please can we send Pochetino, his back room staff, Boruc, Lovren, Fonte, Schneiderlein, Ramirez, Wanyama and Cortese back home on he first FlyBe jet out of the country. These foreigners coming over here with their slack work ethics and poorly paid jobs. Scroungers. What have they and their ilk ever done for the local community with their high band tax rate contributions? I'm just off to JD Sports for some cheap leisure wear in preparation for Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt tomorrow. These foreigners need to take a leaf out of our book WarwickNights
  • Score: 2

6:47pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

derek james wrote:
freefinker wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
freefinker wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits.

your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference.

southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.
What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand?

It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact.

Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them.

You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.
I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance!
You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you.
Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'.
I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back.
I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.
Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.
I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad.
A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take.
Somewhat agree, althoufh I was referring specifically to freefinkers claims that: "They contribute more than they take" and "they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole" both of which are quantifiable.
.. well, the UKIP brigade could start her if they wish: -
http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/uk-24815770
clearly those like the first romanian who arrived on new year's day who was interviewed by the labour mp who was going to be a car washer and send all his money back to his girlfriend in romania is not going to be a net contributor to the economy, neither are those who are on low wages and receive tax credits, child benefit and the like.Those who are educated enough to get highly paid jobs no doubt will be
.. anecdote, anecdote and anecdote.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Freethinker, the money has to be in the pot to pay the bills now-today. An immigrant coming here with 2 or 3 kids will pay no where near the value of the resouces they are taking in health care, eduacation and benefits. your 'proving my point' comment lets you down badly. You are becoming a minority in your own right. UKIP could not run a circus let alone the country but we cannot except more of the same indifference. southy, whether the kids speak English or not they are draining our society. Resources are planned over years with fluctuation s in childbirth but the massive immigration of Polish had overwhelmed the system and damaged our society for ever.[/p][/quote]What bit of my previous comment to SOULJACKER did you not understand? It's quite simple to understand: - "They contribute more than they take." Fact. "And they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole." Fact. Thank goodness they are here to do this vital work and make a positive contribution to society and the Exchequer. This country would really be in a 'mess' without them. You can waffle on all you like and ignore all the statistics; but all you do is confirm what I said in my original post.[/p][/quote]I can't believe we are still having this conversation & you are sticking to your flimsy 'Proving my point' & head up Cameron & Cleggs backside stance! You really do absorb what Dave & Nick (& Tony) tell you don't you. Go ionto the office & the factories & see for yourself you 'window licker'. I really can't be bothered to converse with you anymore & it's about ten minutes of my life that I won't get back. I AM BORED OF YOUR SMALL (MULTICULTURAL) BLINKERED MIND, GOOD BYE.[/p][/quote]Of course, you could always just provide evidence that his statements are false.[/p][/quote]I don't think anybody's statements so far are true or false, they seem to be opinion. There is no right or wrong answer, immigration does the country good and it does the country bad. A balance needs to be found so the country will only attract those that want to contribute to the UK and not attracted to it just to take.[/p][/quote]Somewhat agree, althoufh I was referring specifically to freefinkers claims that: "They contribute more than they take" and "they do the work some of our indigenous ‘benefit scroungers’ wouldn’t touch with a bargepole" both of which are quantifiable.[/p][/quote].. well, the UKIP brigade could start her if they wish: - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-24815770[/p][/quote]clearly those like the first romanian who arrived on new year's day who was interviewed by the labour mp who was going to be a car washer and send all his money back to his girlfriend in romania is not going to be a net contributor to the economy, neither are those who are on low wages and receive tax credits, child benefit and the like.Those who are educated enough to get highly paid jobs no doubt will be[/p][/quote].. anecdote, anecdote and anecdote. freefinker
  • Score: 0

6:49pm Sun 12 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

As long as all the kids are happy who cares?
As long as all the kids are happy who cares? bigfella777
  • Score: -3

6:58pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Home Rule for England says...

Would it not be better to put the non English speakers together in a 'remedial' class until such time as their language skills are sufficient for them to participate in English speaking classes? How can they learn other subjects when they can't speak English?
Would it not be better to put the non English speakers together in a 'remedial' class until such time as their language skills are sufficient for them to participate in English speaking classes? How can they learn other subjects when they can't speak English? Home Rule for England
  • Score: -3

7:15pm Sun 12 Jan 14

forest hump says...

Sounds like many people are happy with a situation that allows Education authorities' to pay for extra services to facilitate non-English speaking students? I am expecting a barrage of abuse as I object to this situation. We should follow the principle "unless you can communicate using the host language, you are not welcome" Teaching offspring the Queen's English should be self-funded. I wonder how many countries' would reciprocate and provide language assistance to any Brit choosing to emigrate?
Sounds like many people are happy with a situation that allows Education authorities' to pay for extra services to facilitate non-English speaking students? I am expecting a barrage of abuse as I object to this situation. We should follow the principle "unless you can communicate using the host language, you are not welcome" Teaching offspring the Queen's English should be self-funded. I wonder how many countries' would reciprocate and provide language assistance to any Brit choosing to emigrate? forest hump
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Sun 12 Jan 14

kalebmoleturd says...

Daniel Jeffery would do well to put a figure on how much integration Southampton can accommodate.already sounds like a saturated solution.simple equation ,one coach load of people equates at best to 10 houses give us a guesstimate how many schools places medical services and admin hours that adds up too.Or join the masses and declare " haven't got a clue"Ps what is the racial mix of the school your children/grand children attend ?
Daniel Jeffery would do well to put a figure on how much integration Southampton can accommodate.already sounds like a saturated solution.simple equation ,one coach load of people equates at best to 10 houses give us a guesstimate how many schools places medical services and admin hours that adds up too.Or join the masses and declare " haven't got a clue"Ps what is the racial mix of the school your children/grand children attend ? kalebmoleturd
  • Score: 0

7:24pm Sun 12 Jan 14

rightway says...

Delboy67 wrote:
Once again the echo opens up its doors to a barrage of racist and uneducated comments from Ukip supporters with not anounce of sense. Please can we avoid making stories such as this a platform for anti polish bantering and stupid comments about hair, babies and pushchairs. Pointless.
With comments like that about Ukip supporters, you only show yourself to be an uneducated racist without an ounce of sense.
Not everyone shares your opinions, it doesn't make them wrong, but to be able to express those opinions shows democracy. From your attitude I can see it's not something you would endorse.
[quote][p][bold]Delboy67[/bold] wrote: Once again the echo opens up its doors to a barrage of racist and uneducated comments from Ukip supporters with not anounce of sense. Please can we avoid making stories such as this a platform for anti polish bantering and stupid comments about hair, babies and pushchairs. Pointless.[/p][/quote]With comments like that about Ukip supporters, you only show yourself to be an uneducated racist without an ounce of sense. Not everyone shares your opinions, it doesn't make them wrong, but to be able to express those opinions shows democracy. From your attitude I can see it's not something you would endorse. rightway
  • Score: -2

7:31pm Sun 12 Jan 14

SFC-Matt says...

For centuries Great Britain has been endeavouring and fighting where necessary to maintain our national freedom, national identity and way of life. Now the tw@ts are just giving the country away. Scandalous.
For centuries Great Britain has been endeavouring and fighting where necessary to maintain our national freedom, national identity and way of life. Now the tw@ts are just giving the country away. Scandalous. SFC-Matt
  • Score: 2

7:33pm Sun 12 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

Didn't any of you bigots learn foreign languages at school?
At least this next generation might be a bit more open minded and embrace diversity, a child's mind is like an open book and soaks up new things like a sponge, of course they speak English.
I suppose all our expats go abroad and never speak English again, grow up it's 2014 the world is a small place.
Didn't any of you bigots learn foreign languages at school? At least this next generation might be a bit more open minded and embrace diversity, a child's mind is like an open book and soaks up new things like a sponge, of course they speak English. I suppose all our expats go abroad and never speak English again, grow up it's 2014 the world is a small place. bigfella777
  • Score: 3

7:35pm Sun 12 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

SFC-Matt wrote:
For centuries Great Britain has been endeavouring and fighting where necessary to maintain our national freedom, national identity and way of life. Now the tw@ts are just giving the country away. Scandalous.
That is one way to look at slavery and bloodshed on a global scale I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]SFC-Matt[/bold] wrote: For centuries Great Britain has been endeavouring and fighting where necessary to maintain our national freedom, national identity and way of life. Now the tw@ts are just giving the country away. Scandalous.[/p][/quote]That is one way to look at slavery and bloodshed on a global scale I suppose. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 1

7:37pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Delboy67 says...

Apparently I'm a racist for criticising UKIP, hilarious. I think you should join Godfrey Bloom in Bongo Bongo land and sort your head out. I know not everyone is pleased about our multicultural society but there is no excuse for the racist comments spewed out onto this forum. I despair. a fellow racist (apparently, lol).
Apparently I'm a racist for criticising UKIP, hilarious. I think you should join Godfrey Bloom in Bongo Bongo land and sort your head out. I know not everyone is pleased about our multicultural society but there is no excuse for the racist comments spewed out onto this forum. I despair. a fellow racist (apparently, lol). Delboy67
  • Score: -4

7:51pm Sun 12 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks. bigfella777
  • Score: 2

8:41pm Sun 12 Jan 14

derek james says...

bigfella777 wrote:
UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil
es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.[/p][/quote]i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu derek james
  • Score: 3

9:42pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

derek james wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil

es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu
The public ARE too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the EU. The vast majority of them will vote how their favourite tabloid tells them to. Or more likely, how their favourite ridiculously-haired loud-mouth celebrity tells them to, or not to.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.[/p][/quote]i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu[/p][/quote]The public ARE too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the EU. The vast majority of them will vote how their favourite tabloid tells them to. Or more likely, how their favourite ridiculously-haired loud-mouth celebrity tells them to, or not to. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

10:00pm Sun 12 Jan 14

derek james says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
derek james wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil


es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu
The public ARE too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the EU. The vast majority of them will vote how their favourite tabloid tells them to. Or more likely, how their favourite ridiculously-haired loud-mouth celebrity tells them to, or not to.
in that case let's not have anymore general elections, the public are too thick
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.[/p][/quote]i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu[/p][/quote]The public ARE too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the EU. The vast majority of them will vote how their favourite tabloid tells them to. Or more likely, how their favourite ridiculously-haired loud-mouth celebrity tells them to, or not to.[/p][/quote]in that case let's not have anymore general elections, the public are too thick derek james
  • Score: 3

10:42pm Sun 12 Jan 14

matthildi says...

I really do not understand what are you talking about.It happens to be one of those NON ENGLISH parents whose children are going to St Marks.Me and my husband are hard working,and paying our taxes to UK.The only benefits we are receiving are child benefits and our children are not receiving extra lessons to learn English but we are paying a private tutor.Please do not speak so generally,as between all these **** immigrants ,there maybe are some people just like you,or even much better,as I know a lot of British people who are not working and they live tottaly on benefits.
Kind regards,
M.M
I really do not understand what are you talking about.It happens to be one of those NON ENGLISH parents whose children are going to St Marks.Me and my husband are hard working,and paying our taxes to UK.The only benefits we are receiving are child benefits and our children are not receiving extra lessons to learn English but we are paying a private tutor.Please do not speak so generally,as between all these **** immigrants ,there maybe are some people just like you,or even much better,as I know a lot of British people who are not working and they live tottaly on benefits. Kind regards, M.M matthildi
  • Score: 1

11:32pm Sun 12 Jan 14

freefinker says...

matthildi wrote:
I really do not understand what are you talking about.It happens to be one of those NON ENGLISH parents whose children are going to St Marks.Me and my husband are hard working,and paying our taxes to UK.The only benefits we are receiving are child benefits and our children are not receiving extra lessons to learn English but we are paying a private tutor.Please do not speak so generally,as between all these **** immigrants ,there maybe are some people just like you,or even much better,as I know a lot of British people who are not working and they live tottaly on benefits.
Kind regards,
M.M
Well said. And thank you for the contribution you make to this country.
[quote][p][bold]matthildi[/bold] wrote: I really do not understand what are you talking about.It happens to be one of those NON ENGLISH parents whose children are going to St Marks.Me and my husband are hard working,and paying our taxes to UK.The only benefits we are receiving are child benefits and our children are not receiving extra lessons to learn English but we are paying a private tutor.Please do not speak so generally,as between all these **** immigrants ,there maybe are some people just like you,or even much better,as I know a lot of British people who are not working and they live tottaly on benefits. Kind regards, M.M[/p][/quote]Well said. And thank you for the contribution you make to this country. freefinker
  • Score: 1

11:42pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
derek james wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil


es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu
The public ARE too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the EU. The vast majority of them will vote how their favourite tabloid tells them to. Or more likely, how their favourite ridiculously-haired loud-mouth celebrity tells them to, or not to.
Suspension of democracy was applied by the Nazi Party after they were elected,and it wasn't even there to be suspended in Stalin's Russia. What topic would you decide that the public can't be trusted to vote your way in the future and is there a point at which you decide that you know better on every subject? The reason that any choice doesn't go your way is because you failed to convince the voters of the strength of your case. You are lucky enough to live a democracy where elections and referenda are a chance for the people to have their say and like the Duggan jury verdict, you have to accept the result with good grace. I find the views expressed by you and Mandelson very scary and more akin to a dictatorship than a democracy.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.[/p][/quote]i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu[/p][/quote]The public ARE too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the EU. The vast majority of them will vote how their favourite tabloid tells them to. Or more likely, how their favourite ridiculously-haired loud-mouth celebrity tells them to, or not to.[/p][/quote]Suspension of democracy was applied by the Nazi Party after they were elected,and it wasn't even there to be suspended in Stalin's Russia. What topic would you decide that the public can't be trusted to vote your way in the future and is there a point at which you decide that you know better on every subject? The reason that any choice doesn't go your way is because you failed to convince the voters of the strength of your case. You are lucky enough to live a democracy where elections and referenda are a chance for the people to have their say and like the Duggan jury verdict, you have to accept the result with good grace. I find the views expressed by you and Mandelson very scary and more akin to a dictatorship than a democracy. Torchie1
  • Score: -1

8:34am Mon 13 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

"She is Polish and also speaks Russian – a common dialect of Lithuanian and Latvian pupils " It's a language, not a dialect and the reason many people now living in the Baltic States invaded by the Soviet Union speak Russian is the same reason that many now living in Tibet speak Chinese. The world's most evil creatures, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung, made ethnic Russians/Chinese live in The Baltic States/Tibet as their version of "ethnic cleansing"; call it "ethnic dilution"
In passing I have no doubt that Stalin and Mao Tse Tung would much approved of Miliband's desire to prevent the people having their say on the Franco-German hegemony. I wonder why The Lord Stansgate is so quiet on the issue.....
"She is Polish and also speaks Russian – a common dialect of Lithuanian and Latvian pupils " It's a language, not a dialect and the reason many people now living in the Baltic States invaded by the Soviet Union speak Russian is the same reason that many now living in Tibet speak Chinese. The world's most evil creatures, Stalin and Mao Tse Tung, made ethnic Russians/Chinese live in The Baltic States/Tibet as their version of "ethnic cleansing"; call it "ethnic dilution" In passing I have no doubt that Stalin and Mao Tse Tung would much approved of Miliband's desire to prevent the people having their say on the Franco-German hegemony. I wonder why The Lord Stansgate is so quiet on the issue..... Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

10:36am Mon 13 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

derek james wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil

es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu
I've never read the Mirror in my life thanks nor do I intend to.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.[/p][/quote]i think you'll find there are racists, homophobes,paedophil es and other undesirables in every party and the royal family,you need to think away from the daily mirror headlines and see that ukip just by existing has brought an eu referendum into the forefront of the political arena, the dangerous ones are the likes of mandelson who believe the public are too ignorant to have an in/out vote on the eu[/p][/quote]I've never read the Mirror in my life thanks nor do I intend to. bigfella777
  • Score: 0

11:13am Mon 13 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

bigfella777 wrote:
UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
bigfella777 , what you're doing is the philosophical fallacy of "ad hominem"
If Einstein had been a demonstrable wife beater and said politically incorrect stuff about Africans, would that make Relativity false? Of course it wouldn't. There is a groundswell of feeling that a referendum is necessary, UKIP or no UKIP. Think about it.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.[/p][/quote]bigfella777 , what you're doing is the philosophical fallacy of "ad hominem" If Einstein had been a demonstrable wife beater and said politically incorrect stuff about Africans, would that make Relativity false? Of course it wouldn't. There is a groundswell of feeling that a referendum is necessary, UKIP or no UKIP. Think about it. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

11:57am Mon 13 Jan 14

LadySam says...

I think one of the requirements to live and work in the UK should be to have a grasp of the language BEFORE coming here. If I worked abroad for long periods of time or made my home elsewhere I would acquire at least a basic understanding of the local language. It is good manners for a start! I certainly wouldn't expect my host country to bend over backwards with translators, bi-lingual provision and leaflets in 300 different languages.
I think one of the requirements to live and work in the UK should be to have a grasp of the language BEFORE coming here. If I worked abroad for long periods of time or made my home elsewhere I would acquire at least a basic understanding of the local language. It is good manners for a start! I certainly wouldn't expect my host country to bend over backwards with translators, bi-lingual provision and leaflets in 300 different languages. LadySam
  • Score: 0

6:21pm Mon 13 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
bigfella777 , what you're doing is the philosophical fallacy of "ad hominem"
If Einstein had been a demonstrable wife beater and said politically incorrect stuff about Africans, would that make Relativity false? Of course it wouldn't. There is a groundswell of feeling that a referendum is necessary, UKIP or no UKIP. Think about it.
Ground swelling of feeling? Only with thick people and bigots and Einstein was German
You believe the media hype if you want to..
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.[/p][/quote]bigfella777 , what you're doing is the philosophical fallacy of "ad hominem" If Einstein had been a demonstrable wife beater and said politically incorrect stuff about Africans, would that make Relativity false? Of course it wouldn't. There is a groundswell of feeling that a referendum is necessary, UKIP or no UKIP. Think about it.[/p][/quote]Ground swelling of feeling? Only with thick people and bigots and Einstein was German You believe the media hype if you want to.. bigfella777
  • Score: 0

9:10pm Mon 13 Jan 14

derek james says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
bigfella777 , what you're doing is the philosophical fallacy of "ad hominem"
If Einstein had been a demonstrable wife beater and said politically incorrect stuff about Africans, would that make Relativity false? Of course it wouldn't. There is a groundswell of feeling that a referendum is necessary, UKIP or no UKIP. Think about it.
Ground swelling of feeling? Only with thick people and bigots and Einstein was German
You believe the media hype if you want to..
once again you have got the wrong end of the stick, a bigot in your opinion is someone who doesn't agree with your views(just like brown said of an old lady who had different views to him at the last election),apparently 60% are not in favour of mass immigration does that make them thick or bigots?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.[/p][/quote]bigfella777 , what you're doing is the philosophical fallacy of "ad hominem" If Einstein had been a demonstrable wife beater and said politically incorrect stuff about Africans, would that make Relativity false? Of course it wouldn't. There is a groundswell of feeling that a referendum is necessary, UKIP or no UKIP. Think about it.[/p][/quote]Ground swelling of feeling? Only with thick people and bigots and Einstein was German You believe the media hype if you want to..[/p][/quote]once again you have got the wrong end of the stick, a bigot in your opinion is someone who doesn't agree with your views(just like brown said of an old lady who had different views to him at the last election),apparently 60% are not in favour of mass immigration does that make them thick or bigots? derek james
  • Score: 0

5:56pm Tue 14 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
UKIPs comments this week say it all
One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’.

Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’.

Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.
bigfella777 , what you're doing is the philosophical fallacy of "ad hominem"
If Einstein had been a demonstrable wife beater and said politically incorrect stuff about Africans, would that make Relativity false? Of course it wouldn't. There is a groundswell of feeling that a referendum is necessary, UKIP or no UKIP. Think about it.
Ground swelling of feeling? Only with thick people and bigots and Einstein was German
You believe the media hype if you want to..
"Ground swelling of feeling?" I did not say that. "Only with thick people and bigots" I'm neither. If you have an argument in favour of the EU as presently constituted spit it out. I didn't vote in 1975 for the current rubbish it has become and I'm sure nor did my contemporaries. " and Einstein was German "Well done. And to help you, the phrase was Latin. So what?
"You believe the media hype if you want to." No, I'll believe my observations over the last 2 decades.
In passing, why doesn't Miliband say he rejects a democratic referendum? is that Old Labour or NuLabour?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: UKIPs comments this week say it all One mocked Mr Lawrence as ‘Saint Stephen’ and said his grieving mother was ‘boring us all to tears’. Another, writing just days after Mandela’s death, said that some ‘base-born’ people were ‘intended by nature’ to be ‘slaves’. Nobody is going to take them seriously after making far right comments like that, I don't want to go back to the stone age thanks.[/p][/quote]bigfella777 , what you're doing is the philosophical fallacy of "ad hominem" If Einstein had been a demonstrable wife beater and said politically incorrect stuff about Africans, would that make Relativity false? Of course it wouldn't. There is a groundswell of feeling that a referendum is necessary, UKIP or no UKIP. Think about it.[/p][/quote]Ground swelling of feeling? Only with thick people and bigots and Einstein was German You believe the media hype if you want to..[/p][/quote]"Ground swelling of feeling?" I did not say that. "Only with thick people and bigots" I'm neither. If you have an argument in favour of the EU as presently constituted spit it out. I didn't vote in 1975 for the current rubbish it has become and I'm sure nor did my contemporaries. " and Einstein was German "Well done. And to help you, the phrase was Latin. So what? "You believe the media hype if you want to." No, I'll believe my observations over the last 2 decades. In passing, why doesn't Miliband say he rejects a democratic referendum? is that Old Labour or NuLabour? Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

1:04am Wed 15 Jan 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

WarwickNights wrote:
Please can we send Pochetino, his back room staff, Boruc, Lovren, Fonte, Schneiderlein, Ramirez, Wanyama and Cortese back home on he first FlyBe jet out of the country. These foreigners coming over here with their slack work ethics and poorly paid jobs. Scroungers. What have they and their ilk ever done for the local community with their high band tax rate contributions?

I'm just off to JD Sports for some cheap leisure wear in preparation for Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt tomorrow. These foreigners need to take a leaf out of our book
Good point. But you've forgotten all the highly-qualified foreign doctors and nurses without whom the NHS simply couldn't function - send 'em back now, in the name of monoculturalism!
[quote][p][bold]WarwickNights[/bold] wrote: Please can we send Pochetino, his back room staff, Boruc, Lovren, Fonte, Schneiderlein, Ramirez, Wanyama and Cortese back home on he first FlyBe jet out of the country. These foreigners coming over here with their slack work ethics and poorly paid jobs. Scroungers. What have they and their ilk ever done for the local community with their high band tax rate contributions? I'm just off to JD Sports for some cheap leisure wear in preparation for Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt tomorrow. These foreigners need to take a leaf out of our book[/p][/quote]Good point. But you've forgotten all the highly-qualified foreign doctors and nurses without whom the NHS simply couldn't function - send 'em back now, in the name of monoculturalism! WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

9:38am Wed 15 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
WarwickNights wrote:
Please can we send Pochetino, his back room staff, Boruc, Lovren, Fonte, Schneiderlein, Ramirez, Wanyama and Cortese back home on he first FlyBe jet out of the country. These foreigners coming over here with their slack work ethics and poorly paid jobs. Scroungers. What have they and their ilk ever done for the local community with their high band tax rate contributions?

I'm just off to JD Sports for some cheap leisure wear in preparation for Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt tomorrow. These foreigners need to take a leaf out of our book
Good point. But you've forgotten all the highly-qualified foreign doctors and nurses without whom the NHS simply couldn't function - send 'em back now, in the name of monoculturalism!
Good point indeed. Why do we not train enough doctors, particularly males who will give more years of service? Why do we poach them from countries which need them? Would that be your boogy man of "monoculturalism" ?Congratulations; you made up another lefty hate word like "rac-ism" and this that and the other -"phobia"
At least when the Castro Brothers die and burn in Hell there'll be a surge of trained doctors. Roll on.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WarwickNights[/bold] wrote: Please can we send Pochetino, his back room staff, Boruc, Lovren, Fonte, Schneiderlein, Ramirez, Wanyama and Cortese back home on he first FlyBe jet out of the country. These foreigners coming over here with their slack work ethics and poorly paid jobs. Scroungers. What have they and their ilk ever done for the local community with their high band tax rate contributions? I'm just off to JD Sports for some cheap leisure wear in preparation for Jeremy Kyle and Bargain Hunt tomorrow. These foreigners need to take a leaf out of our book[/p][/quote]Good point. But you've forgotten all the highly-qualified foreign doctors and nurses without whom the NHS simply couldn't function - send 'em back now, in the name of monoculturalism![/p][/quote]Good point indeed. Why do we not train enough doctors, particularly males who will give more years of service? Why do we poach them from countries which need them? Would that be your boogy man of "monoculturalism" ?Congratulations; you made up another lefty hate word like "rac-ism" and this that and the other -"phobia" At least when the Castro Brothers die and burn in Hell there'll be a surge of trained doctors. Roll on. Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

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