Council leader calls emergency meeting after motorists trapped in three hour jam for ten-minute journey

Crisis talks to prevent Southampton gridlock happening again

Crisis talks to prevent Southampton gridlock happening again

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior reporter

CRISIS talks will be held by transport chiefs to stop a repeat of the traffic chaos that brought Southampton to a standstill.

Cllr Simon Letts, leader of Southampton City Council, has arranged an emergency meeting between councillors, highways officers, and cruise ship operators after a major route to the docks ground to a halt again.

As reported by the Daily Echo, motorists were stuck in traffic for more than three hours in West Quay Road on Friday as thousands of passengers made their way to five docked cruise ships in Southampton, with tailbacks reported as far away as the M271.

 

Some abandoned taxis and were forced to drag heavy luggage to cruise terminals in pouring rain, while others were forced to urinate on the side of the road as the wait became unbearable.

Daily Echo:

The chaos was described as “embarrassing” and taxi drivers in the city warned people may never return to Southampton as a result.

The congestion was blamed on the five cruise ships in port, and ongoing roadworks in Platform Road.

Now Cllr Letts said it is time to take action to ensure it never happens again ahead of another busy week for the city’s cruise industry, with significant traffic expected to hit the same stretch of road tomorrow, Wednesday and Friday.

Cllr Letts, leader of the Southampton Labour group, said the emergency meeting will be held tomorrow, and expects an urgent report on what went wrong on Friday to be on his desk today.

He said: “I have called for an urgent meeting for all parties to have a full review of where we are and to answer what happened on Friday to ensure it will never happen again.

“It doesn’t do the reputation of the city any good for people to be held for several hours in traffic jams.

“The appropriate officers will get together and I have requested the attendance of cruise operators too.

“I have been told the current set of roadworks will end in early April, and at no point between now and April will we have five cruise ships in the city.

“We need some action.”

Cllr Jacqui Rayment, the cabinet member responsible for transport, reiterated her apology to those caught up in the standstill and said her “heart sank” when she heard of the chaos.

She said: “We have called for a meeting on Tuesday to get people round the table, including partners, Balfour Beatty and senior executives from the council to see where we are.

“I have apologised once and I am happy to apologise again.

Daily Echo:

“We need to constantly review that what we do is working. I am led to believe there were plans in place to deal with the increased volume of cruises.

“Having had a number of days in the lead up to Christmas where there were traffic issues, I am disappointed with what we had in place doesn’t appear to have helped the situation.

“It’s not acceptable for anyone. While I cannot pledge it won’t happen again, we said before Christmas there would be measures in place but that’s obviously failed and I need to find out why.”

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6:12am Mon 13 Jan 14

downfader says...

awaits the arguments ..and 3... 2... 1...

Popcorn.
awaits the arguments ..and 3... 2... 1... Popcorn. downfader
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7:11am Mon 13 Jan 14

loosehead says...

for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making! loosehead
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7:29am Mon 13 Jan 14

wizard says...

loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Not sure if you noticed but because of roadworks you cant turn right off the Itchen Bridge
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Not sure if you noticed but because of roadworks you cant turn right off the Itchen Bridge wizard
  • Score: 17

7:57am Mon 13 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
That's all OK if you are a local,but most people heading for the docks and the cruise ships will be from out of town,and just following the signage or instructions from satnav.Southampton is complicated to navigate if you are a local,so anyone from outside,doesn't stand a chance.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]That's all OK if you are a local,but most people heading for the docks and the cruise ships will be from out of town,and just following the signage or instructions from satnav.Southampton is complicated to navigate if you are a local,so anyone from outside,doesn't stand a chance. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 14

8:16am Mon 13 Jan 14

adamello says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
That's all OK if you are a local,but most people heading for the docks and the cruise ships will be from out of town,and just following the signage or instructions from satnav.Southampton is complicated to navigate if you are a local,so anyone from outside,doesn't stand a chance.
that's what those big digital signs on the way into the city are for,

and also Yellow event signage
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]That's all OK if you are a local,but most people heading for the docks and the cruise ships will be from out of town,and just following the signage or instructions from satnav.Southampton is complicated to navigate if you are a local,so anyone from outside,doesn't stand a chance.[/p][/quote]that's what those big digital signs on the way into the city are for, and also Yellow event signage adamello
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8:21am Mon 13 Jan 14

SouthamptonBoy65 says...

Cllr Rayment, happy to apologise?

I think we would all be happy if you weren't happy to apologise but actually ensured effective actions are taken and a longer term resolution plan determined and delivered. I would have said strategy yet that just seems to be an excuse to talk and not deliver these days.

Plans, by the way, need to be tested and challenged, not just a tick in the box as a substitute for real action until the next time they fail. Its not as if the elements of the problem are not known, nor predictable. Do the cruise liners pop into port whenever they like, no warning? Are all the roadworks emergency responsive repairs?

As I understand it your role, is Cabinet Member for Transport, ultimately does this not mean that 'the buck stops' with you? Your role is one of delivery, not oversight!

Your statement smacks of its everybody else's fault but mine. This is a reoccurring issue and hopefully right at the top of your critical list, so please step up, take responsibility and ensure effective action is taken rather than prepare scapegoats for blame sound bites next time this ocurrs!
Cllr Rayment, happy to apologise? I think we would all be happy if you weren't happy to apologise but actually ensured effective actions are taken and a longer term resolution plan determined and delivered. I would have said strategy yet that just seems to be an excuse to talk and not deliver these days. Plans, by the way, need to be tested and challenged, not just a tick in the box as a substitute for real action until the next time they fail. Its not as if the elements of the problem are not known, nor predictable. Do the cruise liners pop into port whenever they like, no warning? Are all the roadworks emergency responsive repairs? As I understand it your role, is Cabinet Member for Transport, ultimately does this not mean that 'the buck stops' with you? Your role is one of delivery, not oversight! Your statement smacks of its everybody else's fault but mine. This is a reoccurring issue and hopefully right at the top of your critical list, so please step up, take responsibility and ensure effective action is taken rather than prepare scapegoats for blame sound bites next time this ocurrs! SouthamptonBoy65
  • Score: 16

8:51am Mon 13 Jan 14

wwozzer says...

It doesn't help matters that no one is actually doing any work! Apparently the mess at the town side of the Itchen bridge is for a cycle path? How long does this take...seriously? in most other countries this would be under a weeks work but it's been like this for months now and I haven't seen a single person actually doing anything other than shuffle some cones around.

Pull your finger out, turn the kettle off and get on with it!
It doesn't help matters that no one is actually doing any work! Apparently the mess at the town side of the Itchen bridge is for a cycle path? How long does this take...seriously? in most other countries this would be under a weeks work but it's been like this for months now and I haven't seen a single person actually doing anything other than shuffle some cones around. Pull your finger out, turn the kettle off and get on with it! wwozzer
  • Score: 24

9:27am Mon 13 Jan 14

funchal says...

The lack of workmen on site and the stupid sequence on the traffic lights is to blame. We have had cruise ships for years and they bring a lot of revenue into the Hotels in the city. Be sensible and don't let the cruise ships go because there will be a lot of very upset workers in the port and city.
The lack of workmen on site and the stupid sequence on the traffic lights is to blame. We have had cruise ships for years and they bring a lot of revenue into the Hotels in the city. Be sensible and don't let the cruise ships go because there will be a lot of very upset workers in the port and city. funchal
  • Score: 12

9:32am Mon 13 Jan 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

This is just shortsightedness from council leaders. All the building of shops like Ikea near to the cruise terminals and on the same road to Ocean village that has had bad traffic now for a number of years with nothing done about it. Surely it is about time the City had a transportation system that would ease this problem and get people around without their cars.

Park and rides would be a start, monorails or anything to give people an alternative.
This is just shortsightedness from council leaders. All the building of shops like Ikea near to the cruise terminals and on the same road to Ocean village that has had bad traffic now for a number of years with nothing done about it. Surely it is about time the City had a transportation system that would ease this problem and get people around without their cars. Park and rides would be a start, monorails or anything to give people an alternative. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 7

9:43am Mon 13 Jan 14

Zexagon says...

Jacquis said she won't be attending the crisis meeting as she's off playing golf
Jacquis said she won't be attending the crisis meeting as she's off playing golf Zexagon
  • Score: 2

9:56am Mon 13 Jan 14

MPOV says...

loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Ah, there you go, who needs the council, highways dept, transport experts? Just ask the 'experts' here! Easy...
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Ah, there you go, who needs the council, highways dept, transport experts? Just ask the 'experts' here! Easy... MPOV
  • Score: 1

9:59am Mon 13 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

just accept a very stark truth ,the place is a shambles.
just accept a very stark truth ,the place is a shambles. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: 2

10:01am Mon 13 Jan 14

Linesman says...

wizard wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Not sure if you noticed but because of roadworks you cant turn right off the Itchen Bridge
How DARE you question someone who has ALL the answers to ALL the questions.
[quote][p][bold]wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Not sure if you noticed but because of roadworks you cant turn right off the Itchen Bridge[/p][/quote]How DARE you question someone who has ALL the answers to ALL the questions. Linesman
  • Score: 0

10:01am Mon 13 Jan 14

redsnapper says...

Apologies from Rayment are worthless. Her inability to do anything apart from apologise and hold secret internal meetings should be enough reason to remove her from the post with immediate effect .

The city is in crisis and is becoming a laughing stock at the same time losing 1000000's in annual business as people give up and go elsewhere.

At the very least the good citizens of Southampton deserve full disclosure of this so called crisis meeting...but don't hold your breaths. When councillors don't know what to do they stop communicating which is exactly what Rayment has been doing throughout this recent woeful period.

Sack her now.
Apologies from Rayment are worthless. Her inability to do anything apart from apologise and hold secret internal meetings should be enough reason to remove her from the post with immediate effect . The city is in crisis and is becoming a laughing stock at the same time losing 1000000's in annual business as people give up and go elsewhere. At the very least the good citizens of Southampton deserve full disclosure of this so called crisis meeting...but don't hold your breaths. When councillors don't know what to do they stop communicating which is exactly what Rayment has been doing throughout this recent woeful period. Sack her now. redsnapper
  • Score: 14

10:28am Mon 13 Jan 14

Yoda Master says...

I think the question the leaders should be asking themselves is why are they having so many problems now? Having 4 / 5 larges ships in is not new, its been happening for years and never has there been traffic like this. When the ROMANSE Office was fully operational the traffic was managed yet now that all those traffic signal engineers were let go from SCC employment its chaos.
I think the question the leaders should be asking themselves is why are they having so many problems now? Having 4 / 5 larges ships in is not new, its been happening for years and never has there been traffic like this. When the ROMANSE Office was fully operational the traffic was managed yet now that all those traffic signal engineers were let go from SCC employment its chaos. Yoda Master
  • Score: 6

10:35am Mon 13 Jan 14

Datarater says...

First suggestion. Stop voting Labour.

Second suggestion. If you have a smart phone subscribe to Waze. It will take you around the traffic jams.
First suggestion. Stop voting Labour. Second suggestion. If you have a smart phone subscribe to Waze. It will take you around the traffic jams. Datarater
  • Score: 1

10:36am Mon 13 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

Yoda Master wrote:
I think the question the leaders should be asking themselves is why are they having so many problems now? Having 4 / 5 larges ships in is not new, its been happening for years and never has there been traffic like this. When the ROMANSE Office was fully operational the traffic was managed yet now that all those traffic signal engineers were let go from SCC employment its chaos.
I once visited the Romanse Offices on Town Quay and was very impressed with the technology on offer and their ability to control traffic flows.
Interestingly I was informed that the amount of traffic transiting Central Southampton had not changed drastically in volume terms in recent years but the peaks had altered, primarily because more parents take children to/from school
However the visit was a few years ago and it seems the Romanse arrangements have now changed which may have been a false economy
[quote][p][bold]Yoda Master[/bold] wrote: I think the question the leaders should be asking themselves is why are they having so many problems now? Having 4 / 5 larges ships in is not new, its been happening for years and never has there been traffic like this. When the ROMANSE Office was fully operational the traffic was managed yet now that all those traffic signal engineers were let go from SCC employment its chaos.[/p][/quote]I once visited the Romanse Offices on Town Quay and was very impressed with the technology on offer and their ability to control traffic flows. Interestingly I was informed that the amount of traffic transiting Central Southampton had not changed drastically in volume terms in recent years but the peaks had altered, primarily because more parents take children to/from school However the visit was a few years ago and it seems the Romanse arrangements have now changed which may have been a false economy phil maccavity
  • Score: 0

10:43am Mon 13 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!!
And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!! And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months? bigfella777
  • Score: 4

10:46am Mon 13 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
This is just shortsightedness from council leaders. All the building of shops like Ikea near to the cruise terminals and on the same road to Ocean village that has had bad traffic now for a number of years with nothing done about it. Surely it is about time the City had a transportation system that would ease this problem and get people around without their cars.

Park and rides would be a start, monorails or anything to give people an alternative.
Presumably City Councils want to encourage business activity within their boundaries to benefit from the Business Rates payable.
However this has to be balanced by ease of moving around the city and companies have a section 106 obligation to finance limited road improvements associated with their business
Park & Ride may be the answer but they are quite expensive to set up and often don't cover the cost of ongoing operation.
Monorail was a big thing in Soton about 40 years ago but was ruled out due to cost and disruption
I understand that City Councils obtain money from Central Govt to maintain the main routes within city boundaries (and this money has been reduced in recent years)whilst minor roads are funded out of the domestic and business rates most of pay
One of the main problems is that most of us drive cars with only one occupant
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: This is just shortsightedness from council leaders. All the building of shops like Ikea near to the cruise terminals and on the same road to Ocean village that has had bad traffic now for a number of years with nothing done about it. Surely it is about time the City had a transportation system that would ease this problem and get people around without their cars. Park and rides would be a start, monorails or anything to give people an alternative.[/p][/quote]Presumably City Councils want to encourage business activity within their boundaries to benefit from the Business Rates payable. However this has to be balanced by ease of moving around the city and companies have a section 106 obligation to finance limited road improvements associated with their business Park & Ride may be the answer but they are quite expensive to set up and often don't cover the cost of ongoing operation. Monorail was a big thing in Soton about 40 years ago but was ruled out due to cost and disruption I understand that City Councils obtain money from Central Govt to maintain the main routes within city boundaries (and this money has been reduced in recent years)whilst minor roads are funded out of the domestic and business rates most of pay One of the main problems is that most of us drive cars with only one occupant phil maccavity
  • Score: 1

10:58am Mon 13 Jan 14

tootle says...

Right! The Council really needs to get their act together. The roadworks are causing delays even without cruise ships, when there are cruise ships using dock gate 4 t=it is gridlock. Rayment happy to apologise would not be cutting it if I was a cruise operator or general southampton visitor. Stop apologising, happy or not, and solve the issue. Simple - do what Portsmouth was quick to do last year and get some cruise ship park and ride organised pronto. Then look at who is going where and why and start signposting alternative routes and do it properly. Set up some one way systems to get round the works maybe? Come on, decent well signed alternatives - not everybody in Southampton knows every alternative route possible. Like somebody said - dock gate 4 onyl traffic round Queens park? It is possible, easily possible.
Right! The Council really needs to get their act together. The roadworks are causing delays even without cruise ships, when there are cruise ships using dock gate 4 t=it is gridlock. Rayment happy to apologise would not be cutting it if I was a cruise operator or general southampton visitor. Stop apologising, happy or not, and solve the issue. Simple - do what Portsmouth was quick to do last year and get some cruise ship park and ride organised pronto. Then look at who is going where and why and start signposting alternative routes and do it properly. Set up some one way systems to get round the works maybe? Come on, decent well signed alternatives - not everybody in Southampton knows every alternative route possible. Like somebody said - dock gate 4 onyl traffic round Queens park? It is possible, easily possible. tootle
  • Score: 2

11:08am Mon 13 Jan 14

southy says...

adamello wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
That's all OK if you are a local,but most people heading for the docks and the cruise ships will be from out of town,and just following the signage or instructions from satnav.Southampton is complicated to navigate if you are a local,so anyone from outside,doesn't stand a chance.
that's what those big digital signs on the way into the city are for,

and also Yellow event signage
Thats ok if its the New Docks (Western docks) but for the old docks (Eastern docks) it would be just as bad.
Also all it would do is grid lock west of Millbrook Roundabout.

The real answer to rethink the whole lay out and do a lot of replaning
[quote][p][bold]adamello[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]That's all OK if you are a local,but most people heading for the docks and the cruise ships will be from out of town,and just following the signage or instructions from satnav.Southampton is complicated to navigate if you are a local,so anyone from outside,doesn't stand a chance.[/p][/quote]that's what those big digital signs on the way into the city are for, and also Yellow event signage[/p][/quote]Thats ok if its the New Docks (Western docks) but for the old docks (Eastern docks) it would be just as bad. Also all it would do is grid lock west of Millbrook Roundabout. The real answer to rethink the whole lay out and do a lot of replaning southy
  • Score: 0

11:12am Mon 13 Jan 14

Yoda Master says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Yoda Master wrote: I think the question the leaders should be asking themselves is why are they having so many problems now? Having 4 / 5 larges ships in is not new, its been happening for years and never has there been traffic like this. When the ROMANSE Office was fully operational the traffic was managed yet now that all those traffic signal engineers were let go from SCC employment its chaos.
I once visited the Romanse Offices on Town Quay and was very impressed with the technology on offer and their ability to control traffic flows. Interestingly I was informed that the amount of traffic transiting Central Southampton had not changed drastically in volume terms in recent years but the peaks had altered, primarily because more parents take children to/from school However the visit was a few years ago and it seems the Romanse arrangements have now changed which may have been a false economy
Traffic volumes themselves had risen slightly but it was by a managable amount. I spent nearly 14 years as a signal engineer at ROMANSE and when more than 2 large cruise ships were due in planning along the network strated a few weeks in advance. Signal timings were looked at, road works along the network were either stopped or reduced as much as possible etc. Operating the cameras were very experienced staff who understood signals as well as traffic patterns. Now in charge of them are parking attendants at Balfours. SCC you werre warned! loose ROMANSE and southampton would come to a standstill when major events occur........IT HAS STARTED!
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Yoda Master[/bold] wrote: I think the question the leaders should be asking themselves is why are they having so many problems now? Having 4 / 5 larges ships in is not new, its been happening for years and never has there been traffic like this. When the ROMANSE Office was fully operational the traffic was managed yet now that all those traffic signal engineers were let go from SCC employment its chaos.[/p][/quote]I once visited the Romanse Offices on Town Quay and was very impressed with the technology on offer and their ability to control traffic flows. Interestingly I was informed that the amount of traffic transiting Central Southampton had not changed drastically in volume terms in recent years but the peaks had altered, primarily because more parents take children to/from school However the visit was a few years ago and it seems the Romanse arrangements have now changed which may have been a false economy[/p][/quote]Traffic volumes themselves had risen slightly but it was by a managable amount. I spent nearly 14 years as a signal engineer at ROMANSE and when more than 2 large cruise ships were due in planning along the network strated a few weeks in advance. Signal timings were looked at, road works along the network were either stopped or reduced as much as possible etc. Operating the cameras were very experienced staff who understood signals as well as traffic patterns. Now in charge of them are parking attendants at Balfours. SCC you werre warned! loose ROMANSE and southampton would come to a standstill when major events occur........IT HAS STARTED! Yoda Master
  • Score: 9

11:57am Mon 13 Jan 14

anniswindsor says...

Didn't realise that Balfours had taken over the ROMANSE system. That explains an awful lot. Part of the problem at any time of the day now is traffic light phasing. Is this so they can bring in a congestion charge?
Didn't realise that Balfours had taken over the ROMANSE system. That explains an awful lot. Part of the problem at any time of the day now is traffic light phasing. Is this so they can bring in a congestion charge? anniswindsor
  • Score: 1

12:27pm Mon 13 Jan 14

loosehead says...

wizard wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Not sure if you noticed but because of roadworks you cant turn right off the Itchen Bridge
go towards the other bridge & head towards town then or are you saying all those exits are blocked whilst there are roadworks at dock gate 4?
if you are then this isn't the cruise ships fault this is the councils fault for allowing both lots of road works to take place at the same time.
But can't you head for the Northam road before you go over the Itchen bridge from the East of the city?
[quote][p][bold]wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Not sure if you noticed but because of roadworks you cant turn right off the Itchen Bridge[/p][/quote]go towards the other bridge & head towards town then or are you saying all those exits are blocked whilst there are roadworks at dock gate 4? if you are then this isn't the cruise ships fault this is the councils fault for allowing both lots of road works to take place at the same time. But can't you head for the Northam road before you go over the Itchen bridge from the East of the city? loosehead
  • Score: -2

12:36pm Mon 13 Jan 14

loosehead says...

I can't believe two posters on here attacking my post with out really reading it!
Now here's an alternative idea!
Shut the Itchen Bridge get the work done as quickly as it can be done then reopen the bridge,
I know this would not happen as the loss in revenue would not be acceptable.
now take a look at the works being done these all get the go ahead from a council department so for one person to knock my suggestions is a joke as the so called experts don't seem to be able to organise a p+ss up in a brewery./
I'm not a road expert or a planning expert as I've already said so why the attacks why not put forward alternative solutions besides curtail the amount of ships in port at one time?
I can't believe two posters on here attacking my post with out really reading it! Now here's an alternative idea! Shut the Itchen Bridge get the work done as quickly as it can be done then reopen the bridge, I know this would not happen as the loss in revenue would not be acceptable. now take a look at the works being done these all get the go ahead from a council department so for one person to knock my suggestions is a joke as the so called experts don't seem to be able to organise a p+ss up in a brewery./ I'm not a road expert or a planning expert as I've already said so why the attacks why not put forward alternative solutions besides curtail the amount of ships in port at one time? loosehead
  • Score: -2

12:39pm Mon 13 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!!
And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?
did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time?
try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!! And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?[/p][/quote]did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time? try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy loosehead
  • Score: -3

12:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

MPOV wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Ah, there you go, who needs the council, highways dept, transport experts? Just ask the 'experts' here! Easy...
Well, it's apaprent hence the subject of this story and others of late that the council and highways department couldn't make a more horiffic job of running the city's transport so the 'experts' here stand a much better chance.
[quote][p][bold]MPOV[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Ah, there you go, who needs the council, highways dept, transport experts? Just ask the 'experts' here! Easy...[/p][/quote]Well, it's apaprent hence the subject of this story and others of late that the council and highways department couldn't make a more horiffic job of running the city's transport so the 'experts' here stand a much better chance. sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

1:05pm Mon 13 Jan 14

southy says...

Loose one thing we should be doing is stop acting greedy spread the work out around the country, stop trying to grab every thing it just brings bigger problems.
The docks was ok at first 100 years ago and yes it was fine 80 years ago and just after the wwii, but the problem started on building the container berth it was built in the wrong place it should of been built down by the River Hamble and the docks should of slowly been moved down next to it so it had room to spread and the traffic flow would of followed, they was warned back in the 60's when the container port was in planning the location was all wrong and there would be problems as the population increase and more cars would be on the road.
Loose one thing we should be doing is stop acting greedy spread the work out around the country, stop trying to grab every thing it just brings bigger problems. The docks was ok at first 100 years ago and yes it was fine 80 years ago and just after the wwii, but the problem started on building the container berth it was built in the wrong place it should of been built down by the River Hamble and the docks should of slowly been moved down next to it so it had room to spread and the traffic flow would of followed, they was warned back in the 60's when the container port was in planning the location was all wrong and there would be problems as the population increase and more cars would be on the road. southy
  • Score: 0

1:05pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Yoda Master says...

anniswindsor wrote:
Didn't realise that Balfours had taken over the ROMANSE system. That explains an awful lot. Part of the problem at any time of the day now is traffic light phasing. Is this so they can bring in a congestion charge?
No, I dont think congestion charging will be allowed. One problem which is beyond Balfours control was that to save money, and jobs, communications with certain traffic signals had to be lost. Signals run on BT data lines which allow signal linking and control to be maintained. These lines cost lots of cash each month and with the government cuts these lines had to be disconnected to save peoples jobs. Hence some signals now do not link so you dont get the best traffic flow at some points. These are not in the city centre tho, mainly jct's and ped crossings further afield. This is also done at most councils as a money saver. Its either this or poeples jobs so you can understand why
[quote][p][bold]anniswindsor[/bold] wrote: Didn't realise that Balfours had taken over the ROMANSE system. That explains an awful lot. Part of the problem at any time of the day now is traffic light phasing. Is this so they can bring in a congestion charge?[/p][/quote]No, I dont think congestion charging will be allowed. One problem which is beyond Balfours control was that to save money, and jobs, communications with certain traffic signals had to be lost. Signals run on BT data lines which allow signal linking and control to be maintained. These lines cost lots of cash each month and with the government cuts these lines had to be disconnected to save peoples jobs. Hence some signals now do not link so you dont get the best traffic flow at some points. These are not in the city centre tho, mainly jct's and ped crossings further afield. This is also done at most councils as a money saver. Its either this or poeples jobs so you can understand why Yoda Master
  • Score: 1

1:08pm Mon 13 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!!
And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?
did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time?
try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy
Read the story it's already being done, stop non dock traffic entering that system??? How do you do that?? Turn right off Itchen bridge?? It's shut, you need to get your head down for bit
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!! And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?[/p][/quote]did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time? try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy[/p][/quote]Read the story it's already being done, stop non dock traffic entering that system??? How do you do that?? Turn right off Itchen bridge?? It's shut, you need to get your head down for bit bigfella777
  • Score: 2

2:18pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
This is just shortsightedness from council leaders. All the building of shops like Ikea near to the cruise terminals and on the same road to Ocean village that has had bad traffic now for a number of years with nothing done about it. Surely it is about time the City had a transportation system that would ease this problem and get people around without their cars.

Park and rides would be a start, monorails or anything to give people an alternative.
The city already has a fabulous transportation system,running through its very heart, and into all the areas which need to be accessed without causing delay or disruption..it's called " The Railway".
Why this already constructed and available system is not being used and utilised by the city council,heaven only knows.A timetable of regular shuttle trains,run on a bus like schedule, could be organised to supplement the only already existing shuttle service round the Romsey lines,and added to by using still open,but unused lines like the Fawley branch,and the line through from St Denys,Northam,Termin
us station,and even on into the Docks.
All these lines,which connect greater Southampton,and course through it very heart like veins,would provide a much needed relief, to it's bulging and artery blocked road system.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: This is just shortsightedness from council leaders. All the building of shops like Ikea near to the cruise terminals and on the same road to Ocean village that has had bad traffic now for a number of years with nothing done about it. Surely it is about time the City had a transportation system that would ease this problem and get people around without their cars. Park and rides would be a start, monorails or anything to give people an alternative.[/p][/quote]The city already has a fabulous transportation system,running through its very heart, and into all the areas which need to be accessed without causing delay or disruption..it's called " The Railway". Why this already constructed and available system is not being used and utilised by the city council,heaven only knows.A timetable of regular shuttle trains,run on a bus like schedule, could be organised to supplement the only already existing shuttle service round the Romsey lines,and added to by using still open,but unused lines like the Fawley branch,and the line through from St Denys,Northam,Termin us station,and even on into the Docks. All these lines,which connect greater Southampton,and course through it very heart like veins,would provide a much needed relief, to it's bulging and artery blocked road system. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

2:31pm Mon 13 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!!
And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?
did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time?
try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy
Read the story it's already being done, stop non dock traffic entering that system??? How do you do that?? Turn right off Itchen bridge?? It's shut, you need to get your head down for bit
If instead of attacking me try to read my posts please.
you came out with an idiotic post about only having one cruise ship in at a time I( tried to put forward ideas to ease the situation.
another poster pointed out to me about no right turn so I've suggested heading for the Northam Bridge before you get to the Itchen Bridge from the East .
you could divert traffic away from the bridge up to Northam but think of the revenue the council will lose?
another poster has put forward ideas on traffic flow did you read it?
you say you can't get to dock gate 4 from dock gate 20? did I ever say you could?
the most ships were in the New Docks not the old docks you had two ships in at dock gate 4 three in the new docks & there was no problems with traffic build up to the new docks so again what are you going on about?
I have more than one option to get to town or Shirley so if I know there's road works on one of those roads I take an alternative route I was trying to suggest a few & one was used when we had the floating bridges so not to far fetched you on the other hand can only go on about the cruise ships?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!! And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?[/p][/quote]did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time? try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy[/p][/quote]Read the story it's already being done, stop non dock traffic entering that system??? How do you do that?? Turn right off Itchen bridge?? It's shut, you need to get your head down for bit[/p][/quote]If instead of attacking me try to read my posts please. you came out with an idiotic post about only having one cruise ship in at a time I( tried to put forward ideas to ease the situation. another poster pointed out to me about no right turn so I've suggested heading for the Northam Bridge before you get to the Itchen Bridge from the East . you could divert traffic away from the bridge up to Northam but think of the revenue the council will lose? another poster has put forward ideas on traffic flow did you read it? you say you can't get to dock gate 4 from dock gate 20? did I ever say you could? the most ships were in the New Docks not the old docks you had two ships in at dock gate 4 three in the new docks & there was no problems with traffic build up to the new docks so again what are you going on about? I have more than one option to get to town or Shirley so if I know there's road works on one of those roads I take an alternative route I was trying to suggest a few & one was used when we had the floating bridges so not to far fetched you on the other hand can only go on about the cruise ships? loosehead
  • Score: -3

2:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!!
And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?
did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time?
try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy
Read the story it's already being done, stop non dock traffic entering that system??? How do you do that?? Turn right off Itchen bridge?? It's shut, you need to get your head down for bit
If instead of attacking me try to read my posts please.
you came out with an idiotic post about only having one cruise ship in at a time I( tried to put forward ideas to ease the situation.
another poster pointed out to me about no right turn so I've suggested heading for the Northam Bridge before you get to the Itchen Bridge from the East .
you could divert traffic away from the bridge up to Northam but think of the revenue the council will lose?
another poster has put forward ideas on traffic flow did you read it?
you say you can't get to dock gate 4 from dock gate 20? did I ever say you could?
the most ships were in the New Docks not the old docks you had two ships in at dock gate 4 three in the new docks & there was no problems with traffic build up to the new docks so again what are you going on about?
I have more than one option to get to town or Shirley so if I know there's road works on one of those roads I take an alternative route I was trying to suggest a few & one was used when we had the floating bridges so not to far fetched you on the other hand can only go on about the cruise ships?
Non of it bothers me because I ride a bicycle anyway. I'm more concerned about large businesses deciding not to invest here if the city cannot cope.
People from out of town will just follow the sign that says ring road and docks there not going to know rat runs are they?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!! And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?[/p][/quote]did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time? try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy[/p][/quote]Read the story it's already being done, stop non dock traffic entering that system??? How do you do that?? Turn right off Itchen bridge?? It's shut, you need to get your head down for bit[/p][/quote]If instead of attacking me try to read my posts please. you came out with an idiotic post about only having one cruise ship in at a time I( tried to put forward ideas to ease the situation. another poster pointed out to me about no right turn so I've suggested heading for the Northam Bridge before you get to the Itchen Bridge from the East . you could divert traffic away from the bridge up to Northam but think of the revenue the council will lose? another poster has put forward ideas on traffic flow did you read it? you say you can't get to dock gate 4 from dock gate 20? did I ever say you could? the most ships were in the New Docks not the old docks you had two ships in at dock gate 4 three in the new docks & there was no problems with traffic build up to the new docks so again what are you going on about? I have more than one option to get to town or Shirley so if I know there's road works on one of those roads I take an alternative route I was trying to suggest a few & one was used when we had the floating bridges so not to far fetched you on the other hand can only go on about the cruise ships?[/p][/quote]Non of it bothers me because I ride a bicycle anyway. I'm more concerned about large businesses deciding not to invest here if the city cannot cope. People from out of town will just follow the sign that says ring road and docks there not going to know rat runs are they? bigfella777
  • Score: -1

3:30pm Mon 13 Jan 14

downfader says...

After one of Southampton's lovely drivers clipped me in Shirley and then another decided to give me abuse because he wanted to swerve on to my side of the road I'm afraid I have little sympathy for those stuck in jams.

You bring it on yourselves. No-one else. You are traffic.
After one of Southampton's lovely drivers clipped me in Shirley and then another decided to give me abuse because he wanted to swerve on to my side of the road I'm afraid I have little sympathy for those stuck in jams. You bring it on yourselves. No-one else. You are traffic. downfader
  • Score: -2

3:35pm Mon 13 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Brace yourselves. The 'lucrative' congestion charge is on it's way. Soon we will have 'lucrative' congestion charges and evening car parking charges. Good isn't it?
Brace yourselves. The 'lucrative' congestion charge is on it's way. Soon we will have 'lucrative' congestion charges and evening car parking charges. Good isn't it? 03alpe01
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Mon 13 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

Yoda Master wrote:
anniswindsor wrote:
Didn't realise that Balfours had taken over the ROMANSE system. That explains an awful lot. Part of the problem at any time of the day now is traffic light phasing. Is this so they can bring in a congestion charge?
No, I dont think congestion charging will be allowed. One problem which is beyond Balfours control was that to save money, and jobs, communications with certain traffic signals had to be lost. Signals run on BT data lines which allow signal linking and control to be maintained. These lines cost lots of cash each month and with the government cuts these lines had to be disconnected to save peoples jobs. Hence some signals now do not link so you dont get the best traffic flow at some points. These are not in the city centre tho, mainly jct's and ped crossings further afield. This is also done at most councils as a money saver. Its either this or poeples jobs so you can understand why
Yoda
Sorry to hear you and colleagues have lost your positions with Romanse
You all did a very good job
Was this anything to do with the reduction in the support given to the Scheme by the EU?
Understand the Soton operation was a flagship project
[quote][p][bold]Yoda Master[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anniswindsor[/bold] wrote: Didn't realise that Balfours had taken over the ROMANSE system. That explains an awful lot. Part of the problem at any time of the day now is traffic light phasing. Is this so they can bring in a congestion charge?[/p][/quote]No, I dont think congestion charging will be allowed. One problem which is beyond Balfours control was that to save money, and jobs, communications with certain traffic signals had to be lost. Signals run on BT data lines which allow signal linking and control to be maintained. These lines cost lots of cash each month and with the government cuts these lines had to be disconnected to save peoples jobs. Hence some signals now do not link so you dont get the best traffic flow at some points. These are not in the city centre tho, mainly jct's and ped crossings further afield. This is also done at most councils as a money saver. Its either this or poeples jobs so you can understand why[/p][/quote]Yoda Sorry to hear you and colleagues have lost your positions with Romanse You all did a very good job Was this anything to do with the reduction in the support given to the Scheme by the EU? Understand the Soton operation was a flagship project phil maccavity
  • Score: 1

6:11pm Mon 13 Jan 14

loosehead says...

bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4.
people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation.
As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out?
I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making!
Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!!
And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?
did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town.
so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time?
try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy
Read the story it's already being done, stop non dock traffic entering that system??? How do you do that?? Turn right off Itchen bridge?? It's shut, you need to get your head down for bit
If instead of attacking me try to read my posts please.
you came out with an idiotic post about only having one cruise ship in at a time I( tried to put forward ideas to ease the situation.
another poster pointed out to me about no right turn so I've suggested heading for the Northam Bridge before you get to the Itchen Bridge from the East .
you could divert traffic away from the bridge up to Northam but think of the revenue the council will lose?
another poster has put forward ideas on traffic flow did you read it?
you say you can't get to dock gate 4 from dock gate 20? did I ever say you could?
the most ships were in the New Docks not the old docks you had two ships in at dock gate 4 three in the new docks & there was no problems with traffic build up to the new docks so again what are you going on about?
I have more than one option to get to town or Shirley so if I know there's road works on one of those roads I take an alternative route I was trying to suggest a few & one was used when we had the floating bridges so not to far fetched you on the other hand can only go on about the cruise ships?
Non of it bothers me because I ride a bicycle anyway. I'm more concerned about large businesses deciding not to invest here if the city cannot cope.
People from out of town will just follow the sign that says ring road and docks there not going to know rat runs are they?
I'm looking to move either to Liverpool or back to Thailand so really if Labour wants to lose the last cash cow it has then fine let it happen.
Bigfella when the Tories were in power Jeremy Moulton was in talks with ABP about the new docks & dock gate 20. he was also looking into dock gate 4 as when or if the grant for the road lay out at dock gate 4 was granted there had to be traffic control in place.
some of these could be lorries going to the ships or any commercial vehicles going to the cruise ships could get there early say before 8am.
as for the passengers if we can make this city more interesting to visit by improving access to our historic sites & buildings these passengers might come earlier & stay in our hotels so we wouldn't have them all descending on the same day.
but looking at it who was the bright spark who allowed work on the cycle way to start at the same time as work on the park?
why are there no signs on the Eastern side of the bridge suggesting drivers head for Northam bridge if heading to town or the docks?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: for all dock related traffic for the New docks ask the cruise companies & ABP to get passengers.taxi's & coaches to enter at dock gates 20 & ten & try to avoid going any where near dock gate 4. people coming from the east of the city/country could come around on the motorway enter dock gate 20 just have to liaise with rail to make sure what times freight trains are running & this will ease the situation. As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. turn right when exiting Itchen bridge head for Northam bridge & head into town or coming the other way turn right foe St Mary's stadium follow the road down turn right down to the Itchen bridge or is that t6o complicated to work out? I'm not a lover of this council but drivers alone have themselves to blame if they know there's a problem but don't use an alternative route it's not the council it's not the cruise lines it's not the road works it's the people who want to go that way & then complain because they're stuck in a queue of their own making![/p][/quote]Why do you keep spouting this same ridiculous idea. There are 2 cruise terminals at dock gate 4, ocean terminal and the old QE2 terminal. They cannot be accessed any other way than through dock gate 4!!! And that means trying to get through the roadworks, have you ever been down there in the last few months?[/p][/quote]did you not read the post?As for dock gate 4 either stop all non dock traffic from entering that road system or drivers will have to use the brains they were born with & take alternative routes into town. so who's the idiot who spouts rubbish about curtailing the amount of ships in port at any time? try looking in the mirror at a fool as to even suggest this to the cruise companies would see the loss of those ships & Liverpool will be so so happy[/p][/quote]Read the story it's already being done, stop non dock traffic entering that system??? How do you do that?? Turn right off Itchen bridge?? It's shut, you need to get your head down for bit[/p][/quote]If instead of attacking me try to read my posts please. you came out with an idiotic post about only having one cruise ship in at a time I( tried to put forward ideas to ease the situation. another poster pointed out to me about no right turn so I've suggested heading for the Northam Bridge before you get to the Itchen Bridge from the East . you could divert traffic away from the bridge up to Northam but think of the revenue the council will lose? another poster has put forward ideas on traffic flow did you read it? you say you can't get to dock gate 4 from dock gate 20? did I ever say you could? the most ships were in the New Docks not the old docks you had two ships in at dock gate 4 three in the new docks & there was no problems with traffic build up to the new docks so again what are you going on about? I have more than one option to get to town or Shirley so if I know there's road works on one of those roads I take an alternative route I was trying to suggest a few & one was used when we had the floating bridges so not to far fetched you on the other hand can only go on about the cruise ships?[/p][/quote]Non of it bothers me because I ride a bicycle anyway. I'm more concerned about large businesses deciding not to invest here if the city cannot cope. People from out of town will just follow the sign that says ring road and docks there not going to know rat runs are they?[/p][/quote]I'm looking to move either to Liverpool or back to Thailand so really if Labour wants to lose the last cash cow it has then fine let it happen. Bigfella when the Tories were in power Jeremy Moulton was in talks with ABP about the new docks & dock gate 20. he was also looking into dock gate 4 as when or if the grant for the road lay out at dock gate 4 was granted there had to be traffic control in place. some of these could be lorries going to the ships or any commercial vehicles going to the cruise ships could get there early say before 8am. as for the passengers if we can make this city more interesting to visit by improving access to our historic sites & buildings these passengers might come earlier & stay in our hotels so we wouldn't have them all descending on the same day. but looking at it who was the bright spark who allowed work on the cycle way to start at the same time as work on the park? why are there no signs on the Eastern side of the bridge suggesting drivers head for Northam bridge if heading to town or the docks? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:51pm Mon 13 Jan 14

alnero2 says...

Why don't they extend the M/271 to swing right into the docks.
Why don't they extend the M/271 to swing right into the docks. alnero2
  • Score: 0

6:22am Tue 14 Jan 14

loosehead says...

alnero2 wrote:
Why don't they extend the M/271 to swing right into the docks.
if you go down it towards dock gate 20 there's only a roundabout & then a short road into dock gate 20 from the motorway.
the problem is the traffic build up on the roundabout with vehicles heading to Totton & the waterside the very place that doesn't want ABP to buy a docks or build on land reclaimed for use as a dock.
find away to stop this grid lock get ABP to open dock gate 20 for all new dock traffic is a great idea but the problems of town haven't been down to this dock.
the problem is too many road works at the same time I mean how urgent was it to build a cycle lane? could it not have happened after the new road lay out had been complete at dock gate 4?
[quote][p][bold]alnero2[/bold] wrote: Why don't they extend the M/271 to swing right into the docks.[/p][/quote]if you go down it towards dock gate 20 there's only a roundabout & then a short road into dock gate 20 from the motorway. the problem is the traffic build up on the roundabout with vehicles heading to Totton & the waterside the very place that doesn't want ABP to buy a docks or build on land reclaimed for use as a dock. find away to stop this grid lock get ABP to open dock gate 20 for all new dock traffic is a great idea but the problems of town haven't been down to this dock. the problem is too many road works at the same time I mean how urgent was it to build a cycle lane? could it not have happened after the new road lay out had been complete at dock gate 4? loosehead
  • Score: 0

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