Daughters thrown out of their mother's inquest

ANGRY: DeborahTrim’s daughters outside Southampton Coroner’s Court.

ANGRY: DeborahTrim’s daughters outside Southampton Coroner’s Court.

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A HAMPSHIRE coroner banned an “out of control” family from attending an inquest into their mother’s death.

Deborah Trim’s six daughters were barred from the hearing and forced to wait outside the coroner’s court as a detective gave evidence about her final hours.

Mrs Trim, a victim of domestic violence, was found dead at her Southampton flat last August after taking a drugs overdose.

Her daughters have accused police of failing to investigate her death properly and noisily demanded answers when the inquest began in Southampton yesterday.

But for the first time in 20 years, city coroner Keith Wiseman was forced to halt proceedings and then banned Mrs Trim’s relatives from attending when the hearing resumed a few hours later because they were disruptive.

However, as the inquest was set to resume the family ignored the order and turned up – demanding to be let in.

Confronted Detective Sergeant Gavin Jordan, who was giving evidence at the time, went outside to try to calm the situation.

Standing only a few feet from the locked entrance door, he was confronted by the women and subjected to a finger-jabbing display of anger.

Eyes blazing, they repeatedly accused police of failing to carry out a proper investigation into their mother’s death and bombarded him with questions.

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Det Sgt Jordan eventually went back inside, shutting the door behind him and leaving them fuming on the pavement.

Resuming his evidence, Det Sgt Jordan said the last person known to have seen Mrs Trim alive was her boyfriend, Patrick Jarvis, who had been jailed in 2012 for assaulting her.

He added: “There were no obvious signs of any third party involvement in her death.”

Mr Jarvis told police he last saw Mrs Trim in Southampton city centre on August 17, three days before she was found dead in her first-floor flat.

Det Sgt Jordan, the only witness at the resumed inquest, said: “Nothing in my inquiries suggested he was being anything but truthful.”

Mr Wiseman added: “Basically the family have got it into their head that Patrick Jarvis was somehow connected with their mother’s death. They felt there might have been an assault or something like that.

“That was the position they managed to maintain, even when the cause of death became clear.”

Mr Wiseman recorded an open verdict, saying it was impossible to tell whether the overdose taken by Mrs Trim was accidental or deliberate.

What the coroner said about the family of Deborah Trim

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted.

“For that reason I ensured there were sufficient police officers present to deal with any difficulty.

“I hoped that it would have been possible to complete the inquest in a dignified fashion but I am afraid those hopes were entirely without foundation.”

He added: “Some members of the family spoke more than others. But they were clearly putting on a united position and no one suggested at any stage that they were prepared to listen appropriately to the evidence being given.

“I considered that they were entirely out of control.”

Explaining his decision to ban them from the hearing, Mr Wiseman added: “For the very first time in more than 20 years as a coroner in this city I formed the view that I would have to exclude the family from the inquest unless there was any indication that they were prepared to behave sensibly.

“They ignored what I was saying and continued to interrupt and tried, in effect, to take over the courtroom.”

Outside the inquest, Mrs Trim’s daughters said they were “heartbroken and disgusted”.

One of the women, Samantha Attrill, of Essex, said Mrs Trim had a black eye and a wound on her forehead when she was found dead.

She also referred to a dress that appeared to have been ripped off.

She added: “I know something happened to my mother before her death but the police messed up the investigation.

“They just assumed it was an overdose.”

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11:37am Wed 15 Jan 14

Lockssmart says...

The Primark Gang
The Primark Gang Lockssmart
  • Score: 38

11:56am Wed 15 Jan 14

Hampshire Corn and Bread says...

Brave photographer.
Brave photographer. Hampshire Corn and Bread
  • Score: 21

12:17pm Wed 15 Jan 14

bigfella says...

Hampshire Corn and Bread wrote:
Brave photographer.
I expect he was told to take the photograph rather than asked permission :D
[quote][p][bold]Hampshire Corn and Bread[/bold] wrote: Brave photographer.[/p][/quote]I expect he was told to take the photograph rather than asked permission :D bigfella
  • Score: 21

12:20pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

These girls obviously cared for their mum and I'm sure in similar circumstances I would want some answers. Unfortunately due to financial difficulties policing is going down the pan nationally.
These girls obviously cared for their mum and I'm sure in similar circumstances I would want some answers. Unfortunately due to financial difficulties policing is going down the pan nationally. Inform Al
  • Score: -31

12:55pm Wed 15 Jan 14

dango says...

I always like these 'disgruntled family' images in the paper. The criteria are always the same; arms folded, mouth downturned ans a 'we're serious' look in their eyes :D
I always like these 'disgruntled family' images in the paper. The criteria are always the same; arms folded, mouth downturned ans a 'we're serious' look in their eyes :D dango
  • Score: 32

1:15pm Wed 15 Jan 14

10 Minute Man says...

dango wrote:
I always like these 'disgruntled family' images in the paper. The criteria are always the same; arms folded, mouth downturned ans a 'we're serious' look in their eyes :D
Well obviously, they get coached by the photographer... "Look more angry...cross your arms a bit...it'll look like you mean it" and so on. Same with the bog-standard "I made a complaint and I'm sitting on the sofa holding the letter which they sent me" photos you get of people unhappy/ripped off by some service.
[quote][p][bold]dango[/bold] wrote: I always like these 'disgruntled family' images in the paper. The criteria are always the same; arms folded, mouth downturned ans a 'we're serious' look in their eyes :D[/p][/quote]Well obviously, they get coached by the photographer... "Look more angry...cross your arms a bit...it'll look like you mean it" and so on. Same with the bog-standard "I made a complaint and I'm sitting on the sofa holding the letter which they sent me" photos you get of people unhappy/ripped off by some service. 10 Minute Man
  • Score: 24

1:52pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Paul TS says...

Seem like a nice bunch of girls from the photo!
Seem like a nice bunch of girls from the photo! Paul TS
  • Score: -5

2:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

TwistedWitch says...

Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you? TwistedWitch
  • Score: -1

2:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Zootopian says...

TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
[quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'. Zootopian
  • Score: 42

3:09pm Wed 15 Jan 14

gilbertratchet says...

Inform Al wrote:
These girls obviously cared for their mum and I'm sure in similar circumstances I would want some answers. Unfortunately due to financial difficulties policing is going down the pan nationally.
I like how posts poking fun at the bereaved are upvoted, but this much more insightful comment is not to the tastes of the Echo readership. Speaks volumes. Cheap jokes > actual content, every time.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: These girls obviously cared for their mum and I'm sure in similar circumstances I would want some answers. Unfortunately due to financial difficulties policing is going down the pan nationally.[/p][/quote]I like how posts poking fun at the bereaved are upvoted, but this much more insightful comment is not to the tastes of the Echo readership. Speaks volumes. Cheap jokes > actual content, every time. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 13

3:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

C2OPPY says...

Don't judge or comment when you don't even know the people your talking about you small minded idiots
If any of your mothers were in a volatile relationship and had an unexpected end to their life wouldn't you be asking questions ??
Put yourself in their position before you pipe up.
Don't judge or comment when you don't even know the people your talking about you small minded idiots If any of your mothers were in a volatile relationship and had an unexpected end to their life wouldn't you be asking questions ?? Put yourself in their position before you pipe up. C2OPPY
  • Score: 22

3:26pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
These girls obviously cared for their mum and I'm sure in similar circumstances I would want some answers. Unfortunately due to financial difficulties policing is going down the pan nationally.
I like how posts poking fun at the bereaved are upvoted, but this much more insightful comment is not to the tastes of the Echo readership. Speaks volumes. Cheap jokes > actual content, every time.
Yes I've learned to ignore the muppets, I was once advised never to waste time arguing with a fool.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: These girls obviously cared for their mum and I'm sure in similar circumstances I would want some answers. Unfortunately due to financial difficulties policing is going down the pan nationally.[/p][/quote]I like how posts poking fun at the bereaved are upvoted, but this much more insightful comment is not to the tastes of the Echo readership. Speaks volumes. Cheap jokes > actual content, every time.[/p][/quote]Yes I've learned to ignore the muppets, I was once advised never to waste time arguing with a fool. Inform Al
  • Score: -2

3:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Zexagon says...

What were the drugs she overdosed on?
What were the drugs she overdosed on? Zexagon
  • Score: -2

3:32pm Wed 15 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

Zootopian wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
Understandably these girls are angry at their mothers death and looking for answers but they won't get them by being abusive and making accusations.
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.[/p][/quote]Understandably these girls are angry at their mothers death and looking for answers but they won't get them by being abusive and making accusations. sotonboy84
  • Score: 30

3:38pm Wed 15 Jan 14

TwistedWitch says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
Understandably these girls are angry at their mothers death and looking for answers but they won't get them by being abusive and making accusations.
Were you at the inquest? Did you witness them being abusive.

As for making accusations, she had marks on her body akin to having been abused herself, so naturally they are going to make accusations, because presumably the Mother didn't abuse herself.

I realise the Coroner felt he had to do something, but perhaps he could have used his immense experience and allowed one of them in as a spokesperson for all of them, rather than excluding them en masse!
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.[/p][/quote]Understandably these girls are angry at their mothers death and looking for answers but they won't get them by being abusive and making accusations.[/p][/quote]Were you at the inquest? Did you witness them being abusive. As for making accusations, she had marks on her body akin to having been abused herself, so naturally they are going to make accusations, because presumably the Mother didn't abuse herself. I realise the Coroner felt he had to do something, but perhaps he could have used his immense experience and allowed one of them in as a spokesperson for all of them, rather than excluding them en masse! TwistedWitch
  • Score: -4

4:05pm Wed 15 Jan 14

southy says...

Zootopian wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not.

There some very nasty people that post on this site
[quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.[/p][/quote]It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not. There some very nasty people that post on this site southy
  • Score: -22

4:05pm Wed 15 Jan 14

sotonboy84 says...

TwistedWitch wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
Understandably these girls are angry at their mothers death and looking for answers but they won't get them by being abusive and making accusations.
Were you at the inquest? Did you witness them being abusive.

As for making accusations, she had marks on her body akin to having been abused herself, so naturally they are going to make accusations, because presumably the Mother didn't abuse herself.

I realise the Coroner felt he had to do something, but perhaps he could have used his immense experience and allowed one of them in as a spokesperson for all of them, rather than excluding them en masse!
No I wasn't there, I take it you were then?

Quote; "Standing only a few feet from the locked entrance door, he was confronted by the women and subjected to a finger-jabbing display of anger."

This suggests the party were abusive to me.

And you don't know them, ok…
[quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.[/p][/quote]Understandably these girls are angry at their mothers death and looking for answers but they won't get them by being abusive and making accusations.[/p][/quote]Were you at the inquest? Did you witness them being abusive. As for making accusations, she had marks on her body akin to having been abused herself, so naturally they are going to make accusations, because presumably the Mother didn't abuse herself. I realise the Coroner felt he had to do something, but perhaps he could have used his immense experience and allowed one of them in as a spokesperson for all of them, rather than excluding them en masse![/p][/quote]No I wasn't there, I take it you were then? Quote; "Standing only a few feet from the locked entrance door, he was confronted by the women and subjected to a finger-jabbing display of anger." This suggests the party were abusive to me. And you don't know them, ok… sotonboy84
  • Score: 17

5:18pm Wed 15 Jan 14

missmaylewis says...

W
W missmaylewis
  • Score: -8

5:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

missmaylewis says...

I dont undertand how people can judge others from a picture. The primark gang? Do you exspect them to go dolled up with smiles on there face. They have just lost there mother who was in an abusive relationship and just wanted answers. Wouldnt anybody? There are two sides to every story.
I dont undertand how people can judge others from a picture. The primark gang? Do you exspect them to go dolled up with smiles on there face. They have just lost there mother who was in an abusive relationship and just wanted answers. Wouldnt anybody? There are two sides to every story. missmaylewis
  • Score: 2

5:56pm Wed 15 Jan 14

KA says...

She had injurys.. how did she get them? the ex was jailed for abuse.. did he give her a hiding when he saw her 3 days before? the family just want answers thats what an inquest is for!! It was clear to me long before this hearing that it would be disrupted.. why is that mr wiseman? bloody disgrace!!
She had injurys.. how did she get them? the ex was jailed for abuse.. did he give her a hiding when he saw her 3 days before? the family just want answers thats what an inquest is for!! It was clear to me long before this hearing that it would be disrupted.. why is that mr wiseman? bloody disgrace!! KA
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SOULJACKER says...

In a situation where you have lost a 'loved one' you do get all sorts of emotions going on in your head & there ain't no rule book for how you would or should feel.
It is only human nature & you will go through the grieving process & especially if you feel like you aren't being listened to or that 'loved one' has been unfairly taken from you then you get angry, you get scared, you get sad & a whole lot more besides & that feeling never goes away, you just deal with it better as time goes on.
Nice a nice place to be in so my heart goes out to them.
In a situation where you have lost a 'loved one' you do get all sorts of emotions going on in your head & there ain't no rule book for how you would or should feel. It is only human nature & you will go through the grieving process & especially if you feel like you aren't being listened to or that 'loved one' has been unfairly taken from you then you get angry, you get scared, you get sad & a whole lot more besides & that feeling never goes away, you just deal with it better as time goes on. Nice a nice place to be in so my heart goes out to them. SOULJACKER
  • Score: 6

6:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

missmaylewis says...

KA wrote:
She had injurys.. how did she get them? the ex was jailed for abuse.. did he give her a hiding when he saw her 3 days before? the family just want answers thats what an inquest is for!! It was clear to me long before this hearing that it would be disrupted.. why is that mr wiseman? bloody disgrace!!
Exactly what I was thinking.
[quote][p][bold]KA[/bold] wrote: She had injurys.. how did she get them? the ex was jailed for abuse.. did he give her a hiding when he saw her 3 days before? the family just want answers thats what an inquest is for!! It was clear to me long before this hearing that it would be disrupted.. why is that mr wiseman? bloody disgrace!![/p][/quote]Exactly what I was thinking. missmaylewis
  • Score: 4

6:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Charlie Bucket says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
Understandably these girls are angry at their mothers death and looking for answers but they won't get them by being abusive and making accusations.
Were you at the inquest? Did you witness them being abusive.

As for making accusations, she had marks on her body akin to having been abused herself, so naturally they are going to make accusations, because presumably the Mother didn't abuse herself.

I realise the Coroner felt he had to do something, but perhaps he could have used his immense experience and allowed one of them in as a spokesperson for all of them, rather than excluding them en masse!
No I wasn't there, I take it you were then?

Quote; "Standing only a few feet from the locked entrance door, he was confronted by the women and subjected to a finger-jabbing display of anger."

This suggests the party were abusive to me.

And you don't know them, ok…
If that's abusive in your view, you have a very thin skin.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.[/p][/quote]Understandably these girls are angry at their mothers death and looking for answers but they won't get them by being abusive and making accusations.[/p][/quote]Were you at the inquest? Did you witness them being abusive. As for making accusations, she had marks on her body akin to having been abused herself, so naturally they are going to make accusations, because presumably the Mother didn't abuse herself. I realise the Coroner felt he had to do something, but perhaps he could have used his immense experience and allowed one of them in as a spokesperson for all of them, rather than excluding them en masse![/p][/quote]No I wasn't there, I take it you were then? Quote; "Standing only a few feet from the locked entrance door, he was confronted by the women and subjected to a finger-jabbing display of anger." This suggests the party were abusive to me. And you don't know them, ok…[/p][/quote]If that's abusive in your view, you have a very thin skin. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: -8

7:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

TwistedWitch says...

southy wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not.

There some very nasty people that post on this site
Are you calling me nasty??? If so, what are you basing that on? Because I have a different opinion to you?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.[/p][/quote]It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not. There some very nasty people that post on this site[/p][/quote]Are you calling me nasty??? If so, what are you basing that on? Because I have a different opinion to you? TwistedWitch
  • Score: 1

8:22pm Wed 15 Jan 14

missmaylewis says...

Yes very nasty people on here. How do anyone no if they got aggressive? Just hear say, judging on writing. Awful.
Yes very nasty people on here. How do anyone no if they got aggressive? Just hear say, judging on writing. Awful. missmaylewis
  • Score: 3

9:09pm Wed 15 Jan 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

can,t they be employed on a building site instead of importing eastern europeans.
can,t they be employed on a building site instead of importing eastern europeans. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: -9

11:06am Thu 16 Jan 14

MAttrill says...

I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.
I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones. MAttrill
  • Score: 8

11:33am Thu 16 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

MAttrill wrote:
I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.
From your post it seems that all of the professional bodies didn't carry out their duties and then they closed ranks in order to conspire against you, or did you make up your own mind about what happened and the results of the investigation didn't meet with your approval? After contacting the local paper, another part of the conspiracy resulted in a rather negative story being written about you. Have you considered that you might be in the wrong and that your sense of loss is affecting your ability to see things clearly?
[quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.[/p][/quote]From your post it seems that all of the professional bodies didn't carry out their duties and then they closed ranks in order to conspire against you, or did you make up your own mind about what happened and the results of the investigation didn't meet with your approval? After contacting the local paper, another part of the conspiracy resulted in a rather negative story being written about you. Have you considered that you might be in the wrong and that your sense of loss is affecting your ability to see things clearly? Torchie1
  • Score: 0

12:14pm Thu 16 Jan 14

MAttrill says...

Torchie1 wrote:
MAttrill wrote:
I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.
From your post it seems that all of the professional bodies didn't carry out their duties and then they closed ranks in order to conspire against you, or did you make up your own mind about what happened and the results of the investigation didn't meet with your approval? After contacting the local paper, another part of the conspiracy resulted in a rather negative story being written about you. Have you considered that you might be in the wrong and that your sense of loss is affecting your ability to see things clearly?
Oh please. Ive got enough going on ive just lost my mum. This is heartbreaking the papers will do anything to get a story. I cant beileve theyve stooped that low and said we were out of control. I suppose the only people that know us will truly know that we are not like that. The picture doesent do us justice either we look like a counsil estate family. Not that its important, people shouldnt judge by a photo. Its a serious and heartbreaking time for us and yove got people saying the primark gang how heartless can you get.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.[/p][/quote]From your post it seems that all of the professional bodies didn't carry out their duties and then they closed ranks in order to conspire against you, or did you make up your own mind about what happened and the results of the investigation didn't meet with your approval? After contacting the local paper, another part of the conspiracy resulted in a rather negative story being written about you. Have you considered that you might be in the wrong and that your sense of loss is affecting your ability to see things clearly?[/p][/quote]Oh please. Ive got enough going on ive just lost my mum. This is heartbreaking the papers will do anything to get a story. I cant beileve theyve stooped that low and said we were out of control. I suppose the only people that know us will truly know that we are not like that. The picture doesent do us justice either we look like a counsil estate family. Not that its important, people shouldnt judge by a photo. Its a serious and heartbreaking time for us and yove got people saying the primark gang how heartless can you get. MAttrill
  • Score: 4

12:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

MAttrill says...

Torchie1 wrote:
MAttrill wrote:
I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.
From your post it seems that all of the professional bodies didn't carry out their duties and then they closed ranks in order to conspire against you, or did you make up your own mind about what happened and the results of the investigation didn't meet with your approval? After contacting the local paper, another part of the conspiracy resulted in a rather negative story being written about you. Have you considered that you might be in the wrong and that your sense of loss is affecting your ability to see things clearly?
Oh please. Ive got enough going on ive just lost my mum. This is heartbreaking the papers will do anything to get a story. I cant beileve theyve stooped that low and said we were out of control. I suppose the only people that know us will truly know that we are not like that. The picture doesent do us justice either we look like a counsil estate family. Not that its important, people shouldnt judge by a photo. Its a serious and heartbreaking time for us and yove got people saying the primark gang how heartless can you get.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.[/p][/quote]From your post it seems that all of the professional bodies didn't carry out their duties and then they closed ranks in order to conspire against you, or did you make up your own mind about what happened and the results of the investigation didn't meet with your approval? After contacting the local paper, another part of the conspiracy resulted in a rather negative story being written about you. Have you considered that you might be in the wrong and that your sense of loss is affecting your ability to see things clearly?[/p][/quote]Oh please. Ive got enough going on ive just lost my mum. This is heartbreaking the papers will do anything to get a story. I cant beileve theyve stooped that low and said we were out of control. I suppose the only people that know us will truly know that we are not like that. The picture doesent do us justice either we look like a counsil estate family. Not that its important, people shouldnt judge by a photo. Its a serious and heartbreaking time for us and yove got people saying the primark gang how heartless can you get. MAttrill
  • Score: -2

12:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Shoong says...

TwistedWitch wrote:
southy wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not.

There some very nasty people that post on this site
Are you calling me nasty??? If so, what are you basing that on? Because I have a different opinion to you?
Yep, that's how it works.

You are also considered Far right wing as well now.
[quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.[/p][/quote]It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not. There some very nasty people that post on this site[/p][/quote]Are you calling me nasty??? If so, what are you basing that on? Because I have a different opinion to you?[/p][/quote]Yep, that's how it works. You are also considered Far right wing as well now. Shoong
  • Score: -2

12:32pm Thu 16 Jan 14

southy says...

TwistedWitch wrote:
southy wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not.

There some very nasty people that post on this site
Are you calling me nasty??? If so, what are you basing that on? Because I have a different opinion to you?
No but hey if the hat fits, i was looking at the thumbs up and down.

Maybe they should get an arbitrator in to act as a go between and try and get some of the question the family needs answered.
[quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.[/p][/quote]It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not. There some very nasty people that post on this site[/p][/quote]Are you calling me nasty??? If so, what are you basing that on? Because I have a different opinion to you?[/p][/quote]No but hey if the hat fits, i was looking at the thumbs up and down. Maybe they should get an arbitrator in to act as a go between and try and get some of the question the family needs answered. southy
  • Score: 0

12:46pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
southy wrote:
Zootopian wrote:
TwistedWitch wrote:
Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out.

The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive!

“IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. "

I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required.

Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?
He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family.

With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.
It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not.

There some very nasty people that post on this site
Are you calling me nasty??? If so, what are you basing that on? Because I have a different opinion to you?
No but hey if the hat fits, i was looking at the thumbs up and down.

Maybe they should get an arbitrator in to act as a go between and try and get some of the question the family needs answered.
'Program scripts'...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zootopian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TwistedWitch[/bold] wrote: Of course they are angry. Their Mother is dead and they feel she was failed by the Police. Sitting quietly in the background won't get them answers, so they did the only other thing they could, speak out. The coroner had made his mind up to exclude them long before the inquest even opened, as according to his quote, he already knew they would be disruptive! “IT WAS clear to me long before this hearing that there was a serious likelihood that the inquest would be significantly disrupted. " I don't know the ins and outs as I don't know them and wasn't there, but it's a poor day when a family cannot be heard because they don't conform to the 'sit quietly and suck it up' sensibilities required. Before you all leap down my throat. I am not some low life who thinks it's okay to yell in court either. I just feel that a Coroner's inquest is meant to be the place you can get answers, but if you aren't even allowed to ask the question, how can you?[/p][/quote]He's been a coroner for over 20 years yet this is the only time he's had to exclude a family. With that in mind, I'd venture they were doing more than just 'asking a question'.[/p][/quote]It says first time in 20 years, he could been doing the job a lot longer and its been 20 years since he last done the same, and what about the other coroners have they done the same or not. There some very nasty people that post on this site[/p][/quote]Are you calling me nasty??? If so, what are you basing that on? Because I have a different opinion to you?[/p][/quote]No but hey if the hat fits, i was looking at the thumbs up and down. Maybe they should get an arbitrator in to act as a go between and try and get some of the question the family needs answered.[/p][/quote]'Program scripts'... Shoong
  • Score: -19

1:15pm Thu 16 Jan 14

MAttrill says...

we were also not throw out of the inquest which is picture above the daily echo asked us to come their after we went to them in the morning explaining that at the inquest in the morning at the civic centre the coroner was refusing to answer our question which we were not thrown out of we walked out of and yes their was police their who remained seated the whole time now if we were behaving inappropriately then surely they would have said so we were simply wanted to no the date in which our mum had died and the coroner did not think this was important to no and simply said i'm not answer this and we said it was important to us and he said please remember were in a court of law not the back of a pub that's rude and inappropriate don't you think? And we don't sit in pubs and he did not no us to make comments like this and in the circumstance also and i think the police thought that it was rude to by their faces he said hes not continuing and got up and left their for so did we a their was not reporter present at this time so they would not have known this and also the man we feel is responsible for our mums death was sat in the inquest with the with the police which was very strange and inappropriate and perhaps the judge new that and this was why he had the police their.
we were also not throw out of the inquest which is picture above the daily echo asked us to come their after we went to them in the morning explaining that at the inquest in the morning at the civic centre the coroner was refusing to answer our question which we were not thrown out of we walked out of and yes their was police their who remained seated the whole time now if we were behaving inappropriately then surely they would have said so we were simply wanted to no the date in which our mum had died and the coroner did not think this was important to no and simply said i'm not answer this and we said it was important to us and he said please remember were in a court of law not the back of a pub that's rude and inappropriate don't you think? And we don't sit in pubs and he did not no us to make comments like this and in the circumstance also and i think the police thought that it was rude to by their faces he said hes not continuing and got up and left their for so did we a their was not reporter present at this time so they would not have known this and also the man we feel is responsible for our mums death was sat in the inquest with the with the police which was very strange and inappropriate and perhaps the judge new that and this was why he had the police their. MAttrill
  • Score: -4

1:46pm Thu 16 Jan 14

southy says...

MAttrill wrote:
we were also not throw out of the inquest which is picture above the daily echo asked us to come their after we went to them in the morning explaining that at the inquest in the morning at the civic centre the coroner was refusing to answer our question which we were not thrown out of we walked out of and yes their was police their who remained seated the whole time now if we were behaving inappropriately then surely they would have said so we were simply wanted to no the date in which our mum had died and the coroner did not think this was important to no and simply said i'm not answer this and we said it was important to us and he said please remember were in a court of law not the back of a pub that's rude and inappropriate don't you think? And we don't sit in pubs and he did not no us to make comments like this and in the circumstance also and i think the police thought that it was rude to by their faces he said hes not continuing and got up and left their for so did we a their was not reporter present at this time so they would not have known this and also the man we feel is responsible for our mums death was sat in the inquest with the with the police which was very strange and inappropriate and perhaps the judge new that and this was why he had the police their.
If you was acting beyond coroner control you would of been removed and arrested.
Ask for a arbitrator to act as a go between to get your concerns answered a person that both sides will agree to, if any of you belong to a Union you can ask advice from the union lawyer.
[quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: we were also not throw out of the inquest which is picture above the daily echo asked us to come their after we went to them in the morning explaining that at the inquest in the morning at the civic centre the coroner was refusing to answer our question which we were not thrown out of we walked out of and yes their was police their who remained seated the whole time now if we were behaving inappropriately then surely they would have said so we were simply wanted to no the date in which our mum had died and the coroner did not think this was important to no and simply said i'm not answer this and we said it was important to us and he said please remember were in a court of law not the back of a pub that's rude and inappropriate don't you think? And we don't sit in pubs and he did not no us to make comments like this and in the circumstance also and i think the police thought that it was rude to by their faces he said hes not continuing and got up and left their for so did we a their was not reporter present at this time so they would not have known this and also the man we feel is responsible for our mums death was sat in the inquest with the with the police which was very strange and inappropriate and perhaps the judge new that and this was why he had the police their.[/p][/quote]If you was acting beyond coroner control you would of been removed and arrested. Ask for a arbitrator to act as a go between to get your concerns answered a person that both sides will agree to, if any of you belong to a Union you can ask advice from the union lawyer. southy
  • Score: 0

2:37pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
MAttrill wrote:
we were also not throw out of the inquest which is picture above the daily echo asked us to come their after we went to them in the morning explaining that at the inquest in the morning at the civic centre the coroner was refusing to answer our question which we were not thrown out of we walked out of and yes their was police their who remained seated the whole time now if we were behaving inappropriately then surely they would have said so we were simply wanted to no the date in which our mum had died and the coroner did not think this was important to no and simply said i'm not answer this and we said it was important to us and he said please remember were in a court of law not the back of a pub that's rude and inappropriate don't you think? And we don't sit in pubs and he did not no us to make comments like this and in the circumstance also and i think the police thought that it was rude to by their faces he said hes not continuing and got up and left their for so did we a their was not reporter present at this time so they would not have known this and also the man we feel is responsible for our mums death was sat in the inquest with the with the police which was very strange and inappropriate and perhaps the judge new that and this was why he had the police their.
If you was acting beyond coroner control you would of been removed and arrested.
Ask for a arbitrator to act as a go between to get your concerns answered a person that both sides will agree to, if any of you belong to a Union you can ask advice from the union lawyer.
I've got to agree with Southy about seeking third party independent help if you believe you have a genuine concern with the Coroner. The Independent Police Complaints Commission is there for people having a grievance with the Police and the Press Complaints Commission look after matters arising from complaints against the Press. These bodies only deal in facts however and you will have to submit evidence of your beliefs not just the fact that you don't agree. As for your complaint about the picture, it was a genuine reflection of what was in front of the lens at the time and unless you claim it was 'photoshopped' you are asking a lot of the readers to say it doesn't show you and your siblings as they are.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: we were also not throw out of the inquest which is picture above the daily echo asked us to come their after we went to them in the morning explaining that at the inquest in the morning at the civic centre the coroner was refusing to answer our question which we were not thrown out of we walked out of and yes their was police their who remained seated the whole time now if we were behaving inappropriately then surely they would have said so we were simply wanted to no the date in which our mum had died and the coroner did not think this was important to no and simply said i'm not answer this and we said it was important to us and he said please remember were in a court of law not the back of a pub that's rude and inappropriate don't you think? And we don't sit in pubs and he did not no us to make comments like this and in the circumstance also and i think the police thought that it was rude to by their faces he said hes not continuing and got up and left their for so did we a their was not reporter present at this time so they would not have known this and also the man we feel is responsible for our mums death was sat in the inquest with the with the police which was very strange and inappropriate and perhaps the judge new that and this was why he had the police their.[/p][/quote]If you was acting beyond coroner control you would of been removed and arrested. Ask for a arbitrator to act as a go between to get your concerns answered a person that both sides will agree to, if any of you belong to a Union you can ask advice from the union lawyer.[/p][/quote]I've got to agree with Southy about seeking third party independent help if you believe you have a genuine concern with the Coroner. The Independent Police Complaints Commission is there for people having a grievance with the Police and the Press Complaints Commission look after matters arising from complaints against the Press. These bodies only deal in facts however and you will have to submit evidence of your beliefs not just the fact that you don't agree. As for your complaint about the picture, it was a genuine reflection of what was in front of the lens at the time and unless you claim it was 'photoshopped' you are asking a lot of the readers to say it doesn't show you and your siblings as they are. Torchie1
  • Score: -4

2:48pm Thu 16 Jan 14

southy says...

southy wrote:
MAttrill wrote:
we were also not throw out of the inquest which is picture above the daily echo asked us to come their after we went to them in the morning explaining that at the inquest in the morning at the civic centre the coroner was refusing to answer our question which we were not thrown out of we walked out of and yes their was police their who remained seated the whole time now if we were behaving inappropriately then surely they would have said so we were simply wanted to no the date in which our mum had died and the coroner did not think this was important to no and simply said i'm not answer this and we said it was important to us and he said please remember were in a court of law not the back of a pub that's rude and inappropriate don't you think? And we don't sit in pubs and he did not no us to make comments like this and in the circumstance also and i think the police thought that it was rude to by their faces he said hes not continuing and got up and left their for so did we a their was not reporter present at this time so they would not have known this and also the man we feel is responsible for our mums death was sat in the inquest with the with the police which was very strange and inappropriate and perhaps the judge new that and this was why he had the police their.
If you was acting beyond coroner control you would of been removed and arrested.
Ask for a arbitrator to act as a go between to get your concerns answered a person that both sides will agree to, if any of you belong to a Union you can ask advice from the union lawyer.
Another group of people you can ask for advice or even ask if they could act as go between are the different types of socialist groups
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: we were also not throw out of the inquest which is picture above the daily echo asked us to come their after we went to them in the morning explaining that at the inquest in the morning at the civic centre the coroner was refusing to answer our question which we were not thrown out of we walked out of and yes their was police their who remained seated the whole time now if we were behaving inappropriately then surely they would have said so we were simply wanted to no the date in which our mum had died and the coroner did not think this was important to no and simply said i'm not answer this and we said it was important to us and he said please remember were in a court of law not the back of a pub that's rude and inappropriate don't you think? And we don't sit in pubs and he did not no us to make comments like this and in the circumstance also and i think the police thought that it was rude to by their faces he said hes not continuing and got up and left their for so did we a their was not reporter present at this time so they would not have known this and also the man we feel is responsible for our mums death was sat in the inquest with the with the police which was very strange and inappropriate and perhaps the judge new that and this was why he had the police their.[/p][/quote]If you was acting beyond coroner control you would of been removed and arrested. Ask for a arbitrator to act as a go between to get your concerns answered a person that both sides will agree to, if any of you belong to a Union you can ask advice from the union lawyer.[/p][/quote]Another group of people you can ask for advice or even ask if they could act as go between are the different types of socialist groups southy
  • Score: -6

4:04pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

Torchie1 wrote:
MAttrill wrote:
I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.
From your post it seems that all of the professional bodies didn't carry out their duties and then they closed ranks in order to conspire against you, or did you make up your own mind about what happened and the results of the investigation didn't meet with your approval? After contacting the local paper, another part of the conspiracy resulted in a rather negative story being written about you. Have you considered that you might be in the wrong and that your sense of loss is affecting your ability to see things clearly?
Black eye, injury to head and found on floor when Coroner said no injuries and died in her sleep. Think I know who this ex plod will believe. A judicial review sopunds like the best step forward now.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.[/p][/quote]From your post it seems that all of the professional bodies didn't carry out their duties and then they closed ranks in order to conspire against you, or did you make up your own mind about what happened and the results of the investigation didn't meet with your approval? After contacting the local paper, another part of the conspiracy resulted in a rather negative story being written about you. Have you considered that you might be in the wrong and that your sense of loss is affecting your ability to see things clearly?[/p][/quote]Black eye, injury to head and found on floor when Coroner said no injuries and died in her sleep. Think I know who this ex plod will believe. A judicial review sopunds like the best step forward now. Inform Al
  • Score: -4

4:57pm Thu 16 Jan 14

KA says...

MAttrill wrote:
I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.
Michelle.. you don't have to justify your actions to the negative morons on here!.. who gives a toss what they think!... you have un answered questions.. so there for the police, coroner or who ever was involved in the case have not done there job properly. if it were their mother they would feel the same X
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[quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.[/p][/quote]Michelle.. you don't have to justify your actions to the negative morons on here!.. who gives a toss what they think!... you have un answered questions.. so there for the police, coroner or who ever was involved in the case have not done there job properly. if it were their mother they would feel the same X . KA
  • Score: -3

5:35pm Thu 16 Jan 14

MAttrill says...

KA wrote:
MAttrill wrote:
I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.
Michelle.. you don't have to justify your actions to the negative morons on here!.. who gives a toss what they think!... you have un answered questions.. so there for the police, coroner or who ever was involved in the case have not done there job properly. if it were their mother they would feel the same X
.
Thank you for your support. Atleast some people have a heart and understand Where we are coming from x
[quote][p][bold]KA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.[/p][/quote]Michelle.. you don't have to justify your actions to the negative morons on here!.. who gives a toss what they think!... you have un answered questions.. so there for the police, coroner or who ever was involved in the case have not done there job properly. if it were their mother they would feel the same X .[/p][/quote]Thank you for your support. Atleast some people have a heart and understand Where we are coming from x MAttrill
  • Score: -2

8:35pm Thu 16 Jan 14

menotyou says...

nice to see you are still throwing your weight around girls! then you have been terrorising the people of this city for a long time! maybe someone should throw them all out of southampton let alone the coroners court!
nice to see you are still throwing your weight around girls! then you have been terrorising the people of this city for a long time! maybe someone should throw them all out of southampton let alone the coroners court! menotyou
  • Score: -10

10:29pm Thu 16 Jan 14

S.Attrill says...

Our mum had a black eye and a head injury FACT! ( which we saw with our own eyes) so why is that being denied by the coroner who's been doing his job for 20years!
There was a plank of wood with blood on it in my mum's flat FACT!
My mum was found with her trousers down FACT!) an we were told by police officers that she might have been tryin to get changed. But the coroners decision was that my mums death was down to her daily dosage of medication an she mite of gone to sleep which caused her to go into a koma and die, well if she was getin changed she wouldn't be going to sleep stood up an it wasn't an overdose if she took her prescribed ammount FACT!
Police told two of my sister's when meeting with them that if they re investigate my mum's case would she sign something to say she won't take it out of Southampton THAT IS BLACKMAIL
If there wasn't nothing suspicious why when requesting to have our mum's mobile back are we told it could still be used as evidence, EVIDEgNCE FOR WHAT IF NOTHING IS SUSPICIOUS!l
An as for the inquest we were not e jected, kicked out nore removed!
We were told the above questions weren't important said we are going to the echo, and when meeting with the echo we wleretold the inquest was going to continue on the same day and we were told by the echo where it was an that we could meet them there.

WE JUST WANTED ANSWERS ABOUT OUR MUMS DEATH!
But instead were made out to look like thugs. You shouldn't always believe what you read I've learnt that now.

And it's thanks to society and people who pass judgement on pictures an lies , why things get brushed under the carpet!
And the important questions get forgotten! Well sorry not this time!!
Our mum had a black eye and a head injury FACT! ( which we saw with our own eyes) so why is that being denied by the coroner who's been doing his job for 20years! There was a plank of wood with blood on it in my mum's flat FACT! My mum was found with her trousers down FACT!) an we were told by police officers that she might have been tryin to get changed. But the coroners decision was that my mums death was down to her daily dosage of medication an she mite of gone to sleep which caused her to go into a koma and die, well if she was getin changed she wouldn't be going to sleep stood up an it wasn't an overdose if she took her prescribed ammount FACT! Police told two of my sister's when meeting with them that if they re investigate my mum's case would she sign something to say she won't take it out of Southampton THAT IS BLACKMAIL If there wasn't nothing suspicious why when requesting to have our mum's mobile back are we told it could still be used as evidence, EVIDEgNCE FOR WHAT IF NOTHING IS SUSPICIOUS!l An as for the inquest we were not e jected, kicked out nore removed! We were told the above questions weren't important said we are going to the echo, and when meeting with the echo we wleretold the inquest was going to continue on the same day and we were told by the echo where it was an that we could meet them there. WE JUST WANTED ANSWERS ABOUT OUR MUMS DEATH! But instead were made out to look like thugs. You shouldn't always believe what you read I've learnt that now. And it's thanks to society and people who pass judgement on pictures an lies , why things get brushed under the carpet! And the important questions get forgotten! Well sorry not this time!! S.Attrill
  • Score: -3

10:57pm Fri 17 Jan 14

jane_doe.2014 says...

MAttrill wrote:
I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.
. pay no attention to bad minded people they're sick . sorry for your loss . x
[quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.[/p][/quote]. pay no attention to bad minded people they're sick . sorry for your loss . x jane_doe.2014
  • Score: 1

11:05pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

jane_doe.2014 wrote:
MAttrill wrote:
I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.
. pay no attention to bad minded people they're sick . sorry for your loss . x
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]jane_doe.2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MAttrill[/bold] wrote: I am one of the above daughter's. Police found my mum dead on the floor in her flat, they seen her medication on her side and took her body assuming she over dosed. They also tried to resuscitate her after rigamortis kicked in. Anyone knows you dont try and resuscitate someone after there already dead. My mum was in an abusive relationship, a man that beat her up with a baseball bat on her birthday hitting her in every place possible. A man that went to jail because of other abuse towards her and of whom she had an injunction against. It should have been treated as a crime scene straight awayabut they removed the body without looking into any of that. She had a black eye and head injury when found and we were allowed in as soon as the police left. We found a plank of wood with blood on a tin with blood on and a pillow. A ripped top and a ladder going up to her bedroom window outside? The corroner told us there were no signs of an overdose just her normal daily dosage of medication and at the inquest that took place with a judge told us it was an overdose and that she went to sleep and fell into a comer yet she was found on the floor with her trousers half down. There was also fresh washing in the washing machine, now if someones been dead for a couple of days that washing wouldnt smell fresh. There was strongbow cans in the bin and a bottle of vodka, now my mum dont drink that and it wasent found in her stytem, yet pat who claimed he last seen her three days before her death claimed she bought that, they should have been took for DNA. There was someone present with my mum that day she did not overdose she was not alone. The police messed up the investigation as soon as they entered her fla by not looking into anything and assuming she over dosed, and they have tried to cover there tracks. We were not allowed in the inquest, we were not aggressive in anyway we were polite and out of the 6 of us only 1 spoke. They were not willing to answer questions. They cant give us the day of our mums death. Because the police were suppose to take the room tempature which they never did, and messed up again. The corroner told us to begin with it wasent an overdose and after having contact with the police changed it. Bare in mind he was an ex police officer, they were working together. I think its discusting how all of us have been treated. And we are in the wrong becuse the police messed there job up. And we went to the daily echo with our story and they sticthed us up and made us out to be the bad ones.[/p][/quote]. pay no attention to bad minded people they're sick . sorry for your loss . x[/p][/quote]Agreed Inform Al
  • Score: 0

12:25pm Sat 18 Jan 14

bony tony says...

Michelle.

I do not know you or your family, I do not know if you are nice people or thug's !!!. What I do know and understand is lost and injustice. So if you truly believe that an injustice has been done, then you owe it to yourself's and your mother to fight for justice.
Michelle. I do not know you or your family, I do not know if you are nice people or thug's !!!. What I do know and understand is lost and injustice. So if you truly believe that an injustice has been done, then you owe it to yourself's and your mother to fight for justice. bony tony
  • Score: 4

5:32am Sun 19 Jan 14

jane_doe.2014 says...

i cant believe how badly these sisters have been let down by the justice system, even worse how their mother was let down , I find this all quite heinous & disturbing, all the questions the girls are asking need answering id be angry too & how can they begin to grieve for their mother when they feel real injustice took place yet given only inadequate suggestions & possibilities, no immediate thorough investigations took place when it clearly sounds like a crime scene. they can never rest not knowing, & it will stay with them for the rest of their lives. where is the compassion & empathy ? as for the lowlifes name calling unbelievable disgusting people who judge them shame on you I hope your hands are clean ! you're not clever you're all sick ! them poor girls have to organise the arrangements for their mums funeral which will be the hardest thing they will ever do. stay strong girls, god bless your mum n bless you too. the truth will come out, somehow it always does . take care of each other xxx
i cant believe how badly these sisters have been let down by the justice system, even worse how their mother was let down , I find this all quite heinous & disturbing, all the questions the girls are asking need answering id be angry too & how can they begin to grieve for their mother when they feel real injustice took place yet given only inadequate suggestions & possibilities, no immediate thorough investigations took place when it clearly sounds like a crime scene. they can never rest not knowing, & it will stay with them for the rest of their lives. where is the compassion & empathy ? as for the lowlifes name calling unbelievable disgusting people who judge them shame on you I hope your hands are clean ! you're not clever you're all sick ! them poor girls have to organise the arrangements for their mums funeral which will be the hardest thing they will ever do. stay strong girls, god bless your mum n bless you too. the truth will come out, somehow it always does . take care of each other xxx jane_doe.2014
  • Score: 3

6:08am Sun 19 Jan 14

jane_doe.2014 says...

menotyou wrote:
nice to see you are still throwing your weight around girls! then you have been terrorising the people of this city for a long time! maybe someone should throw them all out of southampton let alone the coroners court!
maybe you should show some respect they have just lost their mother
[quote][p][bold]menotyou[/bold] wrote: nice to see you are still throwing your weight around girls! then you have been terrorising the people of this city for a long time! maybe someone should throw them all out of southampton let alone the coroners court![/p][/quote]maybe you should show some respect they have just lost their mother jane_doe.2014
  • Score: 3

7:55pm Sun 19 Jan 14

jane_doe.2014 says...

jane_doe.2014 wrote:
menotyou wrote:
nice to see you are still throwing your weight around girls! then you have been terrorising the people of this city for a long time! maybe someone should throw them all out of southampton let alone the coroners court!
maybe you should show some respect they have just lost their mother
im trying really hard to comment without saying exactly as I want to . but yes I agree some respect should be shown , this isn't about the girls or anything else its about the loss of their mother full stop. always someone wants to kick you when your already on your knees .
[quote][p][bold]jane_doe.2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]menotyou[/bold] wrote: nice to see you are still throwing your weight around girls! then you have been terrorising the people of this city for a long time! maybe someone should throw them all out of southampton let alone the coroners court![/p][/quote]maybe you should show some respect they have just lost their mother[/p][/quote]im trying really hard to comment without saying exactly as I want to . but yes I agree some respect should be shown , this isn't about the girls or anything else its about the loss of their mother full stop. always someone wants to kick you when your already on your knees . jane_doe.2014
  • Score: 1

1:43pm Thu 23 Jan 14

kiddynamite says...

I hope these poor girls pop up to mock you muppets when your loved ones pass on! Disrespectful to say the least. But hey this is Southampton!
I hope these poor girls pop up to mock you muppets when your loved ones pass on! Disrespectful to say the least. But hey this is Southampton! kiddynamite
  • Score: -1

1:39pm Sun 26 Jan 14

MAttrill says...

bony tony wrote:
Michelle.

I do not know you or your family, I do not know if you are nice people or thug's !!!. What I do know and understand is lost and injustice. So if you truly believe that an injustice has been done, then you owe it to yourself's and your mother to fight for justice.
Thank you. We definetly are not thugs. We are caring and loving and treat people how we want to be treated. Some people are just pure sick.
[quote][p][bold]bony tony[/bold] wrote: Michelle. I do not know you or your family, I do not know if you are nice people or thug's !!!. What I do know and understand is lost and injustice. So if you truly believe that an injustice has been done, then you owe it to yourself's and your mother to fight for justice.[/p][/quote]Thank you. We definetly are not thugs. We are caring and loving and treat people how we want to be treated. Some people are just pure sick. MAttrill
  • Score: -1

1:38pm Mon 27 Jan 14

999medic says...

Having been to many a death within a home, i know the police would of acted within the ladies best interest at the time of finding he deceased and would of attempted CPR until it was clarified she was beyond help. Is it possible the lady was getting either in or out of bed slipped/tripped and fell banging her head, causing a catastrophic brain injury. The alcohol even one could of made her unsteady given the medication. The police if they get a sniff of foul play wouldnt attempt to cover it up, tell me what happened to the wood you found where was it found and with whom did you give it to. I can understand your angry and want answers. If your mum had been sexually assualted this would certainly of been picked up on a PM.

One question was you mum cremated or buried, if you beleive in foul play and she was buried you could ask for an independant enquiry, you may have the body exhaumed and another pm performed by an independant pathologist.
Having been to many a death within a home, i know the police would of acted within the ladies best interest at the time of finding he deceased and would of attempted CPR until it was clarified she was beyond help. Is it possible the lady was getting either in or out of bed slipped/tripped and fell banging her head, causing a catastrophic brain injury. The alcohol even one could of made her unsteady given the medication. The police if they get a sniff of foul play wouldnt attempt to cover it up, tell me what happened to the wood you found where was it found and with whom did you give it to. I can understand your angry and want answers. If your mum had been sexually assualted this would certainly of been picked up on a PM. One question was you mum cremated or buried, if you beleive in foul play and she was buried you could ask for an independant enquiry, you may have the body exhaumed and another pm performed by an independant pathologist. 999medic
  • Score: 2

4:00pm Thu 30 Jan 14

nicktw says...

We also went through a white wash inquest held by the dinosaur. Keith Wiseman slouches in his chair like a baached walrus struggling for breath. He allows no questions and interrupts whenever family members try and say anything. He colludes with evidence givers to ensure that if questions are asked either they are instructed to make no comment or he answers for them. The Police Coroners Officer is no help either - sitting there wondering how he is going to spend his large pension. I have the full transcript which colleagues in other jurisdictions have listened to and commented that he would have been sacked and prosecuted for perverting the course of justice if it was in their area. I also have a ruling from the IPCC that Hampshire Police, lied, acted wrongly, fabricated evidence and invented policies and guidelines. Will anyone say sorry? they won't - Hampshire really deserves better than this I think.
We also went through a white wash inquest held by the dinosaur. Keith Wiseman slouches in his chair like a baached walrus struggling for breath. He allows no questions and interrupts whenever family members try and say anything. He colludes with evidence givers to ensure that if questions are asked either they are instructed to make no comment or he answers for them. The Police Coroners Officer is no help either - sitting there wondering how he is going to spend his large pension. I have the full transcript which colleagues in other jurisdictions have listened to and commented that he would have been sacked and prosecuted for perverting the course of justice if it was in their area. I also have a ruling from the IPCC that Hampshire Police, lied, acted wrongly, fabricated evidence and invented policies and guidelines. Will anyone say sorry? they won't - Hampshire really deserves better than this I think. nicktw
  • Score: 2

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