Nicola Cortese has ‘irretrievable breakdown’ in relationship with the Liebherrs

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Nicola Cortese is on the brink of quitting Saints.

The Daily Echo has been told that the executive chairman has suffered an ‘irretrievable breakdown’ in relations with the Liebherr estate who own the club.

In addition, sources close to the top of the club have today indicated that Cortese’s departure could come within a matter of days rather than at the end of the season.

However, reports this lunchtime that Cortese had already resigned are inaccurate.

The reason for the breakdown revolves around still largely unresolved issues from when Cortese almost went in the summer.

Back then an interim agreement was struck over the future of the club, and Cortese’s contract, which convinced both parties to agree a deal to keep the former Swiss banker at St Mary’s.

Discussions over a long term strategy for the club to replace the interim agreement have been ongoing but there appears to be some way between the two parties. That is prompting Cortese to again consider his future.

The Daily Echo has been told that even if the Liebherr’s agreed to all of his plans it may still be too late to convince Cortese to stay.

If he were to go that would inevitably place question marks over not only who would take over the running of the club but also the future of manager Mauricio Pochettino.

The Argentinian stated in the summer that he would walk out if Cortese left, and has just a year and a half left to run on his existing contract. Talks over a new deal have yet to start.

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10:21am Wed 15 Jan 14

angiemill says...

Sounds like a done deal to me; shame, but we will survive and move forward
Sounds like a done deal to me; shame, but we will survive and move forward angiemill

10:21am Wed 15 Jan 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

I do believe I stated that NC and Kathrine butted heads in the summer only for a few uninformed fools to doubt my statement. I also posted that these issues could eventually be the reason for Nicola leaving, although in this case I wish I had been wrong!
I do believe I stated that NC and Kathrine butted heads in the summer only for a few uninformed fools to doubt my statement. I also posted that these issues could eventually be the reason for Nicola leaving, although in this case I wish I had been wrong! Marchwood Malcom

10:22am Wed 15 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

It was all a bluff last time...wait to worry!
It was all a bluff last time...wait to worry! Positively4thStreet

10:27am Wed 15 Jan 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

If he does leave it will obviously not destroy the club but our lofty dreams for the future I believe will be dashed. He was the driving force and was probably most responsible for getting the Liebherr family to part with so much money in the transfer market. And now if he does go, will Poch stick around? All of you fans who criticised him and wanted him gone when he sacked Adkins will now get your wish. This could be very bad for the club in the long term!
If he does leave it will obviously not destroy the club but our lofty dreams for the future I believe will be dashed. He was the driving force and was probably most responsible for getting the Liebherr family to part with so much money in the transfer market. And now if he does go, will Poch stick around? All of you fans who criticised him and wanted him gone when he sacked Adkins will now get your wish. This could be very bad for the club in the long term! Marchwood Malcom

10:30am Wed 15 Jan 14

SouthLondonSaint says...

If mopo leaves with NC then i say bring back Nige! Fu*ck Reading off and come back to Saints. Must say am a bit shocked this is happening now all seemed to be going so well, thought we would be one of the teams that has a relaxed season.
If mopo leaves with NC then i say bring back Nige! Fu*ck Reading off and come back to Saints. Must say am a bit shocked this is happening now all seemed to be going so well, thought we would be one of the teams that has a relaxed season. SouthLondonSaint

10:35am Wed 15 Jan 14

Chipmonk1 says...

Ffs. I'm not one for panic but this story seems to be gaining momentum. Just when as a saints fan one could relax a little and bask in our enviable situation this sh!t happens. Hopefully if the worst happens and the Don decides to go thay the next Chairman embraces what he was striving for and continues the progress. My main worry is not so much that MP would go with him (as awful as that would be?) but our better players who have bought into NCs vision will depart as well. Tell you what never a dull moment being a saints fan.
Ffs. I'm not one for panic but this story seems to be gaining momentum. Just when as a saints fan one could relax a little and bask in our enviable situation this sh!t happens. Hopefully if the worst happens and the Don decides to go thay the next Chairman embraces what he was striving for and continues the progress. My main worry is not so much that MP would go with him (as awful as that would be?) but our better players who have bought into NCs vision will depart as well. Tell you what never a dull moment being a saints fan. Chipmonk1

10:38am Wed 15 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

Seems more and more likely that he'll be off, but I have this hunch that he'll be back as soon as KL sells.
He is hot property at the moment and any new buyer would be stupid not to offer him some sort of deal.
The Chinese whisper is suddenly gaining some credibility.
Seems more and more likely that he'll be off, but I have this hunch that he'll be back as soon as KL sells. He is hot property at the moment and any new buyer would be stupid not to offer him some sort of deal. The Chinese whisper is suddenly gaining some credibility. costa gaz

10:42am Wed 15 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

Luke Shaw as well then probably
Luke Shaw as well then probably bigfella777

10:44am Wed 15 Jan 14

deepheat says...

We always knew this was going to happen it was just a matter of when than if.

By all accounts Katharina Liebherr has no interest in football but doesn't want to sell. It must drive NC mad with frustration because Saints are so close to being in the Champions League. If NC and MP go Saints would lose the drive and energy of this young partnership but no one person is bigger than Southampton Football Club. Saints future is in the hands of Katharina Liebherr and we are just going to have to trust her, who knows maybe she wants to be chairperson herself or maybe that Microsoft fella will make a bid and buy us.
We always knew this was going to happen it was just a matter of when than if. By all accounts Katharina Liebherr has no interest in football but doesn't want to sell. It must drive NC mad with frustration because Saints are so close to being in the Champions League. If NC and MP go Saints would lose the drive and energy of this young partnership but no one person is bigger than Southampton Football Club. Saints future is in the hands of Katharina Liebherr and we are just going to have to trust her, who knows maybe she wants to be chairperson herself or maybe that Microsoft fella will make a bid and buy us. deepheat

10:46am Wed 15 Jan 14

Confucious says...

So we're going to lose our chairman, our manager and our key players then. Whiff of panic on here methinks.
So we're going to lose our chairman, our manager and our key players then. Whiff of panic on here methinks. Confucious

10:47am Wed 15 Jan 14

JohnItaly says...

On the premise that there is no smoke without fire this is clearly an issue that has been bubbling below the surface for some time. If this is indeed the case I will find it very surprising that NC has not put in place contingency plans to safeguard the future of the club. If not one could argue that NC's protestations about the Club being "his baby" were simply words with no real feeling.
On the premise that there is no smoke without fire this is clearly an issue that has been bubbling below the surface for some time. If this is indeed the case I will find it very surprising that NC has not put in place contingency plans to safeguard the future of the club. If not one could argue that NC's protestations about the Club being "his baby" were simply words with no real feeling. JohnItaly

10:47am Wed 15 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

angiemill wrote:
Sounds like a done deal to me; shame, but we will survive and move forward
Its not good news Cortesse and liebherr estate breakdown and pochettino possibility of leaving . Can Katherine sell Saints ? If Saints sold hope the FA do a proper fit and proper test ! Must be a few wealthy saints fans good luck off the field :O)
[quote][p][bold]angiemill[/bold] wrote: Sounds like a done deal to me; shame, but we will survive and move forward[/p][/quote]Its not good news Cortesse and liebherr estate breakdown and pochettino possibility of leaving . Can Katherine sell Saints ? If Saints sold hope the FA do a proper fit and proper test ! Must be a few wealthy saints fans good luck off the field :O) bluewhiteandred

10:50am Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
Ffs. I'm not one for panic but this story seems to be gaining momentum. Just when as a saints fan one could relax a little and bask in our enviable situation this sh!t happens. Hopefully if the worst happens and the Don decides to go thay the next Chairman embraces what he was striving for and continues the progress. My main worry is not so much that MP would go with him (as awful as that would be?) but our better players who have bought into NCs vision will depart as well. Tell you what never a dull moment being a saints fan.
Cue the massed ranks of neggys, all with their own opinions, some will be right, some will be horribly wrong, but at least we have something to talk about, I was getting bored with the same old, same old.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: Ffs. I'm not one for panic but this story seems to be gaining momentum. Just when as a saints fan one could relax a little and bask in our enviable situation this sh!t happens. Hopefully if the worst happens and the Don decides to go thay the next Chairman embraces what he was striving for and continues the progress. My main worry is not so much that MP would go with him (as awful as that would be?) but our better players who have bought into NCs vision will depart as well. Tell you what never a dull moment being a saints fan.[/p][/quote]Cue the massed ranks of neggys, all with their own opinions, some will be right, some will be horribly wrong, but at least we have something to talk about, I was getting bored with the same old, same old. OSPREYSAINT

10:51am Wed 15 Jan 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

After Markus Liebherr died, did not anyone, deep down have a slight feeling of foreboding?
After Markus Liebherr died, did not anyone, deep down have a slight feeling of foreboding? Sheffieldsaint

10:52am Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
angiemill wrote:
Sounds like a done deal to me; shame, but we will survive and move forward
Its not good news Cortesse and liebherr estate breakdown and pochettino possibility of leaving . Can Katherine sell Saints ? If Saints sold hope the FA do a proper fit and proper test ! Must be a few wealthy saints fans good luck off the field :O)
That is the worse case scenario I guess, have to organise a fans take over perhaps? We all are aware of the FA and their fit and proper tests, your fate was a lesson to all of us.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angiemill[/bold] wrote: Sounds like a done deal to me; shame, but we will survive and move forward[/p][/quote]Its not good news Cortesse and liebherr estate breakdown and pochettino possibility of leaving . Can Katherine sell Saints ? If Saints sold hope the FA do a proper fit and proper test ! Must be a few wealthy saints fans good luck off the field :O)[/p][/quote]That is the worse case scenario I guess, have to organise a fans take over perhaps? We all are aware of the FA and their fit and proper tests, your fate was a lesson to all of us. OSPREYSAINT

10:56am Wed 15 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

So this club is his baby yet he is happy to throw his dummy out of the pram at the worst possible time. Why couldnt he wait until close season? And before this list goes into meltdown, he is not the only person out there who could take this club forward. He has done a lot of good but his spending in the transfer market has been less than brilliant. He has a massive ego (as many CEOs do) and this is all about him and not SFC unfortunately.
So this club is his baby yet he is happy to throw his dummy out of the pram at the worst possible time. Why couldnt he wait until close season? And before this list goes into meltdown, he is not the only person out there who could take this club forward. He has done a lot of good but his spending in the transfer market has been less than brilliant. He has a massive ego (as many CEOs do) and this is all about him and not SFC unfortunately. Sadoldgitte

10:57am Wed 15 Jan 14

THE12THMAN says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
angiemill wrote: Sounds like a done deal to me; shame, but we will survive and move forward
Its not good news Cortesse and liebherr estate breakdown and pochettino possibility of leaving . Can Katherine sell Saints ? If Saints sold hope the FA do a proper fit and proper test ! Must be a few wealthy saints fans good luck off the field :O)
Can't you read she doesn't want to sell.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angiemill[/bold] wrote: Sounds like a done deal to me; shame, but we will survive and move forward[/p][/quote]Its not good news Cortesse and liebherr estate breakdown and pochettino possibility of leaving . Can Katherine sell Saints ? If Saints sold hope the FA do a proper fit and proper test ! Must be a few wealthy saints fans good luck off the field :O)[/p][/quote]Can't you read she doesn't want to sell. THE12THMAN

10:58am Wed 15 Jan 14

jasons odd says...

It's nice to see so many optimistic comments ....but the "these are only rumors ...it wont happen" comments are just people burying their heads in the sand unfortunately. It seems it WILL happen

Can't remember being this depressed since the day mcmenemy quit.
It's nice to see so many optimistic comments ....but the "these are only rumors ...it wont happen" comments are just people burying their heads in the sand unfortunately. It seems it WILL happen Can't remember being this depressed since the day mcmenemy quit. jasons odd

11:00am Wed 15 Jan 14

YellowRibbon says...

I would imagine considering the amount of money that has been spent on Gaston and Osvaldo any owner would have concerns as to the buying decisions of the Chairman and Manager, whilst The saints have dazzled in the Premiership it is the homegrown Talent that has lit up these displays with lallana and Shaw rightly getting the Plaudits and looking to Rio at the end of the season. £25 Million on the above is a total waste of money as their performances have indicated. The hard core fan will know that 9th-12th is a realistic position for the Saints and the fixture computer allowed us to dream of table toppers as only 1-2 of the Big Guns were in the first games. NA sadly had all the tough games in the first 10 and we were rightly bottom but were on the climb at time of departure, are we any better of with the 'Poch' in reality would NA's Saints not have been in the same position with £25 Million still in the bank (NA on record as saying he did not sign Gaston) maybe the owner has realised this??/
I would imagine considering the amount of money that has been spent on Gaston and Osvaldo any owner would have concerns as to the buying decisions of the Chairman and Manager, whilst The saints have dazzled in the Premiership it is the homegrown Talent that has lit up these displays with lallana and Shaw rightly getting the Plaudits and looking to Rio at the end of the season. £25 Million on the above is a total waste of money as their performances have indicated. The hard core fan will know that 9th-12th is a realistic position for the Saints and the fixture computer allowed us to dream of table toppers as only 1-2 of the Big Guns were in the first games. NA sadly had all the tough games in the first 10 and we were rightly bottom but were on the climb at time of departure, are we any better of with the 'Poch' in reality would NA's Saints not have been in the same position with £25 Million still in the bank (NA on record as saying he did not sign Gaston) maybe the owner has realised this??/ YellowRibbon

11:02am Wed 15 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

One thing is for sure.... there's never a dull moment being a Saints fan.
One thing is for sure.... there's never a dull moment being a Saints fan. costa gaz

11:02am Wed 15 Jan 14

Jesus_02 says...

To be honest if Katharina Liebherr has no intrest in football then what intrest does she have. If she doesnt want to sell the club then I can only assume that she wants to sell players to make a profit. The Liebherrs so far have done nothing but invest. What have we sold....the ox?...when is enough for Shaw?....£30m (world record bid for a a full back)?
To be honest if Katharina Liebherr has no intrest in football then what intrest does she have. If she doesnt want to sell the club then I can only assume that she wants to sell players to make a profit. The Liebherrs so far have done nothing but invest. What have we sold....the ox?...when is enough for Shaw?....£30m (world record bid for a a full back)? Jesus_02

11:06am Wed 15 Jan 14

oldsaintsfan says...

Unfortunately if Cortese goes it wil probably be open season on our best playing alent. I fear it will be a significant setback and hope I m wrong about this.
Unfortunately if Cortese goes it wil probably be open season on our best playing alent. I fear it will be a significant setback and hope I m wrong about this. oldsaintsfan

11:10am Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
So we're going to lose our chairman, our manager and our key players then. Whiff of panic on here methinks.
Been there, done it, here we go again, perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: So we're going to lose our chairman, our manager and our key players then. Whiff of panic on here methinks.[/p][/quote]Been there, done it, here we go again, perhaps? OSPREYSAINT

11:11am Wed 15 Jan 14

St Retford says...

Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change. St Retford

11:12am Wed 15 Jan 14

Saint. says...

If the above has any truth about it, NC has already said he has many wealthy investors lined up.

So may be Katherine does not support NC financial plans, or may be it could be quite simply she's looking to sell. Either way I am sure she has advisors around her now, who may be do not have Southampton FC interest at heart! DE does not know, but am sure NC would not jut walk away after all he has done and promised. Its not his style.
If the above has any truth about it, NC has already said he has many wealthy investors lined up. So may be Katherine does not support NC financial plans, or may be it could be quite simply she's looking to sell. Either way I am sure she has advisors around her now, who may be do not have Southampton FC interest at heart! DE does not know, but am sure NC would not jut walk away after all he has done and promised. Its not his style. Saint.

11:15am Wed 15 Jan 14

malcher says...

The empty seats at St Marys this season must be a disappointment to all those involved in running our club. If NC does go it would be an unmitigated disaster. But not as big as the disaster looming when he arrived. Hope he stays but if not, thanks NC for all you've done!
The empty seats at St Marys this season must be a disappointment to all those involved in running our club. If NC does go it would be an unmitigated disaster. But not as big as the disaster looming when he arrived. Hope he stays but if not, thanks NC for all you've done! malcher

11:15am Wed 15 Jan 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Its all about the MONEY
MONEY
MONEY
And how much CONTROL he can have in our future !!
Its all about the MONEY MONEY MONEY And how much CONTROL he can have in our future !! SPIKEISLANDTRADER

11:15am Wed 15 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

all I know is that 99.99% of people on here know nothing of what`s going on at the club, myself included!
and so I`m not going to make any speculation about the club and management.
what I will say is that I would love for NC to stay long term as he has totally changed the club, who would have thought that we would be spending £12-15mill on players 4 years ago, whilst being a top 10 prem side looking to push on higher?
you never know this could all die down in a week, here`s hoping, and we could then put I all behind us.
I do love it when a post starts with `by all accounts` or `apparently` or `I heard from a bloke down the pub who`s sisters friends auntie once trod in some dog doos outside NC`s house` however my favourite is `I said in the summer that.....`.
how many times have people said `(insert any of above) KL has no interest in football` how do you all know this? or are you just repeating something you read on here? I don't know if she likes football or not by the way.
also just a little moan but can posters please stop putting the same post on every thread, I think we all go through every thread so don't worry that no one has seen it.
oh and skating on, we all know that certain parts of the mali group have been sold and that NC has stood down from various other roles, you've told us often enough in the past. what you have never said is that you have proof why, anyone can look at companies records and see what`s happened, and of course you will see it from a certain point of view (because you would love to see us fail) but unless you know the reasons for the moves then your opinions are just that and should be treated as a poopey opinion.
all I know is that 99.99% of people on here know nothing of what`s going on at the club, myself included! and so I`m not going to make any speculation about the club and management. what I will say is that I would love for NC to stay long term as he has totally changed the club, who would have thought that we would be spending £12-15mill on players 4 years ago, whilst being a top 10 prem side looking to push on higher? you never know this could all die down in a week, here`s hoping, and we could then put I all behind us. I do love it when a post starts with `by all accounts` or `apparently` or `I heard from a bloke down the pub who`s sisters friends auntie once trod in some dog doos outside NC`s house` however my favourite is `I said in the summer that.....`. how many times have people said `(insert any of above) KL has no interest in football` how do you all know this? or are you just repeating something you read on here? I don't know if she likes football or not by the way. also just a little moan but can posters please stop putting the same post on every thread, I think we all go through every thread so don't worry that no one has seen it. oh and skating on, we all know that certain parts of the mali group have been sold and that NC has stood down from various other roles, you've told us often enough in the past. what you have never said is that you have proof why, anyone can look at companies records and see what`s happened, and of course you will see it from a certain point of view (because you would love to see us fail) but unless you know the reasons for the moves then your opinions are just that and should be treated as a poopey opinion. el caballo santos101

11:16am Wed 15 Jan 14

Skating on thin ice says...

Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013:
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Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013: http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/pub/shab_p ublikation_mali_hold ing_ag_zurich_114099 7.pdf bringing that part of his career association with her to an end. The other companies in the MALI group, such as MALI MOTAN and MALI Common Rail Technologies, have all been liquidated, as of July 2013. http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_motan _ag_in_liquidation_C H-217.3.532.363-7.ht m http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_commo n_rail_technologies_ ag_in_liquidation_CH -020.3.022.777-4.htm Skating on thin ice

11:18am Wed 15 Jan 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

the smelly fish are back!
the smelly fish are back! worried of n e hampshire

11:18am Wed 15 Jan 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

Some posters on here need to stop sticking their heads in the sand whenever anything negative is happening, could potentially happen or is on the horizon. That kind of nonsense won't make the problem go away. This situation was always on the cards. Nigel spent £35 odd mill and Poch about the same, although not surprisingly, with more success! Now the family who own our great club are business people, Markus is not with us anymore and the Southampton project was his thing. It stood to reason that if we didn't offer an indication that money spent would propel us into Europe, then the family would call time on the big spending. And yes, in our our yes we are heading the direction of being a top 8 team, but do they believe that and is it enough for Kathrine? The worry will be if they see the club merely as a business entity they might look to offload us.
Some posters on here need to stop sticking their heads in the sand whenever anything negative is happening, could potentially happen or is on the horizon. That kind of nonsense won't make the problem go away. This situation was always on the cards. Nigel spent £35 odd mill and Poch about the same, although not surprisingly, with more success! Now the family who own our great club are business people, Markus is not with us anymore and the Southampton project was his thing. It stood to reason that if we didn't offer an indication that money spent would propel us into Europe, then the family would call time on the big spending. And yes, in our our yes we are heading the direction of being a top 8 team, but do they believe that and is it enough for Kathrine? The worry will be if they see the club merely as a business entity they might look to offload us. Marchwood Malcom

11:19am Wed 15 Jan 14

twovests says...

Pompey Fan in Peace:
Looking at things from the outside, even if he does leave, surely the state of the club at the moment means that it's nothing but an extremely attractive option for someone?
As an England fan, I hope everything is sorted for the good, as the standard of your youth set up can only be good for the future of the national team.
Pompey Fan in Peace: Looking at things from the outside, even if he does leave, surely the state of the club at the moment means that it's nothing but an extremely attractive option for someone? As an England fan, I hope everything is sorted for the good, as the standard of your youth set up can only be good for the future of the national team. twovests

11:21am Wed 15 Jan 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

I hope that Les Read stays and helps bring in the right people if this is the case. It is a shame for Saints but also for Cortese because I know he has seen Saints as his baby.
I hope that Les Read stays and helps bring in the right people if this is the case. It is a shame for Saints but also for Cortese because I know he has seen Saints as his baby. allsaintsnocurves

11:22am Wed 15 Jan 14

THE12THMAN says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
To be honest if Katharina Liebherr has no intrest in football then what intrest does she have. If she doesnt want to sell the club then I can only assume that she wants to sell players to make a profit. The Liebherrs so far have done nothing but invest. What have we sold....the ox?...when is enough for Shaw?....£30m (world record bid for a a full back)?
I think you might have hit the nail on the head.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: To be honest if Katharina Liebherr has no intrest in football then what intrest does she have. If she doesnt want to sell the club then I can only assume that she wants to sell players to make a profit. The Liebherrs so far have done nothing but invest. What have we sold....the ox?...when is enough for Shaw?....£30m (world record bid for a a full back)?[/p][/quote]I think you might have hit the nail on the head. THE12THMAN

11:22am Wed 15 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

Skysport
Say
Liebherr estate does not want to finance Cortesse future plans to go up a level .
Skysport Say Liebherr estate does not want to finance Cortesse future plans to go up a level . bluewhiteandred

11:31am Wed 15 Jan 14

Williepalms says...

First 26,000 through the gate are only funding the loan interest,
Players will have to continue to be sold .
First 26,000 through the gate are only funding the loan interest, Players will have to continue to be sold . Williepalms

11:31am Wed 15 Jan 14

george chivers says...

St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think.

We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think. We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous. george chivers

11:34am Wed 15 Jan 14

NewBoots_Tahar says...

Wonder what Michael Fialka's up to at the moment?

But seriously, this is a worry.
Wonder what Michael Fialka's up to at the moment? But seriously, this is a worry. NewBoots_Tahar

11:34am Wed 15 Jan 14

St Retford says...

george chivers wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think.

We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous.
I was just trying to lighten the mood. It's good for morale.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think. We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous.[/p][/quote]I was just trying to lighten the mood. It's good for morale. St Retford

11:35am Wed 15 Jan 14

Saint Botley says...

This would be a total disaster for the club. He is the lynchpin of everything about which we have become so proud. Please let it not happen.
This would be a total disaster for the club. He is the lynchpin of everything about which we have become so proud. Please let it not happen. Saint Botley

11:35am Wed 15 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
Skysport
Say
Liebherr estate does not want to finance Cortesse future plans to go up a level .
Not unreasonable as it is their money. They probably felt they have already done that when they paid for Osvaldo and Ramirez. Previous CEOs have had to work within specific budgets so why not NC? Most clubs have to get the best out of what they have got. Why not NC? This smacks of Harry "I can only manage if I have a blank chequebook" Redknapp to me.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: Skysport Say Liebherr estate does not want to finance Cortesse future plans to go up a level .[/p][/quote]Not unreasonable as it is their money. They probably felt they have already done that when they paid for Osvaldo and Ramirez. Previous CEOs have had to work within specific budgets so why not NC? Most clubs have to get the best out of what they have got. Why not NC? This smacks of Harry "I can only manage if I have a blank chequebook" Redknapp to me. Sadoldgitte

11:40am Wed 15 Jan 14

andoru says...

My main concern if he goes is what affect it will have on the squad. I read in an article a few weeks back that some players, including Luke Shaw, had actually requested clauses in their contracts that they could leave if Cortese does because they are there simply because they buy into his vision. I don't know if those clauses really exist, but if it's true they even brought it up it would suggest there is a lot of loyalty to the man. Could we hold on to our best players if our best-laid plans are less certain of happening?
My main concern if he goes is what affect it will have on the squad. I read in an article a few weeks back that some players, including Luke Shaw, had actually requested clauses in their contracts that they could leave if Cortese does because they are there simply because they buy into his vision. I don't know if those clauses really exist, but if it's true they even brought it up it would suggest there is a lot of loyalty to the man. Could we hold on to our best players if our best-laid plans are less certain of happening? andoru

11:41am Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013:
http://www.moneyhous


e.ch/en/u/pub/shab_p


ublikation_mali_hold


ing_ag_zurich_114099


7.pdf
bringing that part of his career association with her to an end.

The other companies in the MALI group, such as MALI MOTAN and MALI Common Rail Technologies, have all been liquidated, as of July 2013.
http://www.moneyhous


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H-217.3.532.363-7.ht


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After your previous posts I tried to fathom it all out and came to the conclusion that they just got rid of all of the deadwood left after ML passed away, I can see your point that SFC could also be considered "deadwood" too to be got rid of at the earliest opportunity, fair comment. I don't pretend to understand business or finance so can't make a comment.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013: http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/pub/shab_p ublikation_mali_hold ing_ag_zurich_114099 7.pdf bringing that part of his career association with her to an end. The other companies in the MALI group, such as MALI MOTAN and MALI Common Rail Technologies, have all been liquidated, as of July 2013. http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_motan _ag_in_liquidation_C H-217.3.532.363-7.ht m http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_commo n_rail_technologies_ ag_in_liquidation_CH -020.3.022.777-4.htm[/p][/quote]After your previous posts I tried to fathom it all out and came to the conclusion that they just got rid of all of the deadwood left after ML passed away, I can see your point that SFC could also be considered "deadwood" too to be got rid of at the earliest opportunity, fair comment. I don't pretend to understand business or finance so can't make a comment. OSPREYSAINT

11:46am Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
Skysport
Say
Liebherr estate does not want to finance Cortesse future plans to go up a level .
Well, to be honest, if there is going to be constant doubt over whether NC will be walking out I can kind of understand her not wanting to invest the huge amount of money that would be needed to achieve that.

With our gates as they are I don't want to see us taking any big money gambles that could bankrupt the club if they lose interest and move away.

Clearly a situation where people are only loyal to the club on the basis of individuals being in charge is not brilliant for stability - I'd thought the whole model was based on people being easily replaceable (like for like being able to slot into a set style and structure).

To achieve what we want to achieve we need stability and that can only really come if the passion for the club comes before the egos or demands of the individual.

Cortese does clearly love this club. He's willing to make unpopular decisions and take the flack for this club. I can understand that returning to his home country with a club of that size would be tempting and I respect that, I just hope that he loves our club enough to either stay or ensure we are left with stability and the right successor and owner to take us forward.

I would like to think he'd want to see the Saints continue to do well, not relish seeing things implode if he walked away just to prove a point.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: Skysport Say Liebherr estate does not want to finance Cortesse future plans to go up a level .[/p][/quote]Well, to be honest, if there is going to be constant doubt over whether NC will be walking out I can kind of understand her not wanting to invest the huge amount of money that would be needed to achieve that. With our gates as they are I don't want to see us taking any big money gambles that could bankrupt the club if they lose interest and move away. Clearly a situation where people are only loyal to the club on the basis of individuals being in charge is not brilliant for stability - I'd thought the whole model was based on people being easily replaceable (like for like being able to slot into a set style and structure). To achieve what we want to achieve we need stability and that can only really come if the passion for the club comes before the egos or demands of the individual. Cortese does clearly love this club. He's willing to make unpopular decisions and take the flack for this club. I can understand that returning to his home country with a club of that size would be tempting and I respect that, I just hope that he loves our club enough to either stay or ensure we are left with stability and the right successor and owner to take us forward. I would like to think he'd want to see the Saints continue to do well, not relish seeing things implode if he walked away just to prove a point. SaintJD

11:49am Wed 15 Jan 14

Confucious says...

george chivers wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think.

We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous.
You need to be very afraid of no change - when using the drinks vending machine at B&Q Nursling.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think. We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous.[/p][/quote]You need to be very afraid of no change - when using the drinks vending machine at B&Q Nursling. Confucious

11:52am Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

twovests wrote:
Pompey Fan in Peace:
Looking at things from the outside, even if he does leave, surely the state of the club at the moment means that it's nothing but an extremely attractive option for someone?
As an England fan, I hope everything is sorted for the good, as the standard of your youth set up can only be good for the future of the national team.
Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]twovests[/bold] wrote: Pompey Fan in Peace: Looking at things from the outside, even if he does leave, surely the state of the club at the moment means that it's nothing but an extremely attractive option for someone? As an England fan, I hope everything is sorted for the good, as the standard of your youth set up can only be good for the future of the national team.[/p][/quote]Thank you. OSPREYSAINT

11:53am Wed 15 Jan 14

angus mc coatup says...

We all can have a stab about what's gong on, and we all have our own theories.But I have yet to read one fact, or one statement from a reputable source as to what is actually going on. But none of this really matter because there is absolutely nothing we can do anyway, there's nothing the fans can do to influence the outcome,so as usual we have to wait and see.

The only certainty is,at the end,the real fans will still be here.
We all can have a stab about what's gong on, and we all have our own theories.But I have yet to read one fact, or one statement from a reputable source as to what is actually going on. But none of this really matter because there is absolutely nothing we can do anyway, there's nothing the fans can do to influence the outcome,so as usual we have to wait and see. The only certainty is,at the end,the real fans will still be here. angus mc coatup

11:53am Wed 15 Jan 14

ToastyTea says...

Is anybody else not worried and takes this as rubbish rumours ? NC keeps everything private and in house so any sort of discussions with the Liebherrs would be kept private.
Is anybody else not worried and takes this as rubbish rumours ? NC keeps everything private and in house so any sort of discussions with the Liebherrs would be kept private. ToastyTea

11:58am Wed 15 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

Wed, Jan 15, 2014,

A majority of Siptu workers at the Liebherr Ireland container plant in Killarney last night rejected Labour Court proposals aimed at resolving a four-year pay claim dispute and the result is likely to add greatly to worries about the future of one of Kerry's biggest firms.
Wed, Jan 15, 2014, A majority of Siptu workers at the Liebherr Ireland container plant in Killarney last night rejected Labour Court proposals aimed at resolving a four-year pay claim dispute and the result is likely to add greatly to worries about the future of one of Kerry's biggest firms. bluewhiteandred

11:59am Wed 15 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

So at last we know what the "Southampton Way" is. If you dont get your own way, threaten to walk out. Only deal with the Press if you have issues that YOU want to air and then do it through leaks as much as possible. Treat managers as commodities and get rid of them at the drop of a hat when it suits you. Change the kit to suit you. Not really the Southampton Way is it, more Cortese's Way.
So at last we know what the "Southampton Way" is. If you dont get your own way, threaten to walk out. Only deal with the Press if you have issues that YOU want to air and then do it through leaks as much as possible. Treat managers as commodities and get rid of them at the drop of a hat when it suits you. Change the kit to suit you. Not really the Southampton Way is it, more Cortese's Way. Sadoldgitte

11:59am Wed 15 Jan 14

Ozmosis says...

ToastyTea wrote:
Is anybody else not worried and takes this as rubbish rumours ? NC keeps everything private and in house so any sort of discussions with the Liebherrs would be kept private.
I really hope you're right but, being honest, I am worried. The fact this has appeared again would suggest this isn't just completely made up. There must be some trust. The potential loss to the club of the Don leaving doesn't bear thinking about - not least Poch and the valuable players
[quote][p][bold]ToastyTea[/bold] wrote: Is anybody else not worried and takes this as rubbish rumours ? NC keeps everything private and in house so any sort of discussions with the Liebherrs would be kept private.[/p][/quote]I really hope you're right but, being honest, I am worried. The fact this has appeared again would suggest this isn't just completely made up. There must be some trust. The potential loss to the club of the Don leaving doesn't bear thinking about - not least Poch and the valuable players Ozmosis

12:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sky say he has submitted a written resignation. Not that it has been accepted yet.
Sky say he has submitted a written resignation. Not that it has been accepted yet. OSPREYSAINT

12:09pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think.

We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous.
The answer is blowin' in the Wind.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think. We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous.[/p][/quote]The answer is blowin' in the Wind. Positively4thStreet

12:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

JohnItaly says...

According to Sky Sport he has handed in a resignation letter.
According to Sky Sport he has handed in a resignation letter. JohnItaly

12:11pm Wed 15 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Skating on thin ice wrote:
Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013:
http://www.moneyhous



e.ch/en/u/pub/shab_p



ublikation_mali_hold



ing_ag_zurich_114099



7.pdf
bringing that part of his career association with her to an end.

The other companies in the MALI group, such as MALI MOTAN and MALI Common Rail Technologies, have all been liquidated, as of July 2013.
http://www.moneyhous



e.ch/en/u/mali_motan



_ag_in_liquidation_C



H-217.3.532.363-7.ht



m
http://www.moneyhous



e.ch/en/u/mali_commo



n_rail_technologies_



ag_in_liquidation_CH



-020.3.022.777-4.htm
After your previous posts I tried to fathom it all out and came to the conclusion that they just got rid of all of the deadwood left after ML passed away, I can see your point that SFC could also be considered "deadwood" too to be got rid of at the earliest opportunity, fair comment. I don't pretend to understand business or finance so can't make a comment.
Deadwood the liebherr trust does not want to fund saints to go up a level and liebherr group their container business is having problems in Ireland is their a connection .

A majority of Siptu workers at the Liebherr Ireland container plant in Killarney last night rejected Labour Court proposals aimed at resolving a four-year pay claim dispute and the result is likely to add greatly to worries about the future of one of Kerry's biggest firms.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013: http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/pub/shab_p ublikation_mali_hold ing_ag_zurich_114099 7.pdf bringing that part of his career association with her to an end. The other companies in the MALI group, such as MALI MOTAN and MALI Common Rail Technologies, have all been liquidated, as of July 2013. http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_motan _ag_in_liquidation_C H-217.3.532.363-7.ht m http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_commo n_rail_technologies_ ag_in_liquidation_CH -020.3.022.777-4.htm[/p][/quote]After your previous posts I tried to fathom it all out and came to the conclusion that they just got rid of all of the deadwood left after ML passed away, I can see your point that SFC could also be considered "deadwood" too to be got rid of at the earliest opportunity, fair comment. I don't pretend to understand business or finance so can't make a comment.[/p][/quote]Deadwood the liebherr trust does not want to fund saints to go up a level and liebherr group their container business is having problems in Ireland is their a connection . A majority of Siptu workers at the Liebherr Ireland container plant in Killarney last night rejected Labour Court proposals aimed at resolving a four-year pay claim dispute and the result is likely to add greatly to worries about the future of one of Kerry's biggest firms. bluewhiteandred

12:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

costa gaz says...

GONE !!!!!!!
GONE !!!!!!! costa gaz

12:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

nuttysaint says...

Its confirmed........Cor
tese had handed in his resignation!!!! Sad day for Saints and im hoping this isnt a start of a downward spiral!
Its confirmed........Cor tese had handed in his resignation!!!! Sad day for Saints and im hoping this isnt a start of a downward spiral! nuttysaint

12:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

romseyboy says...

been a saints fan ever since a kid (50 very soon) never been a glory hunter never felt to chase to change my team for cups etc even when it looked down and out just a few years back but today I feel like someone as pulled the heart out of the club and I don't know if we will ever be along with the big boys now just when we were in touching distance. Please sort out your differences and continue with the great job you are all doing at Southampton.
been a saints fan ever since a kid (50 very soon) never been a glory hunter never felt to chase to change my team for cups etc even when it looked down and out just a few years back but today I feel like someone as pulled the heart out of the club and I don't know if we will ever be along with the big boys now just when we were in touching distance. Please sort out your differences and continue with the great job you are all doing at Southampton. romseyboy

12:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

nuttysaint wrote:
Its confirmed........Cor

tese had handed in his resignation!!!! Sad day for Saints and im hoping this isnt a start of a downward spiral!
Could still be an arm twisting bluff..let's hope so until we hear different.
[quote][p][bold]nuttysaint[/bold] wrote: Its confirmed........Cor tese had handed in his resignation!!!! Sad day for Saints and im hoping this isnt a start of a downward spiral![/p][/quote]Could still be an arm twisting bluff..let's hope so until we hear different. Positively4thStreet

12:26pm Wed 15 Jan 14

St.Yorkie says...

I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty.

Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's!

I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space!
I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty. Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's! I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space! St.Yorkie

12:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

deepheat says...

Maybe Paul Gardner Allen will put in a bid to buy Saints.

Who?

Paul Gardner Allen, one of the world's richest men and co-founder with Bill Gates of global software giant Microsoft.

In 2007 A source close to Allen said he 'believes there is long-term investment value in UK soccer. He added: 'Southampton is a sleeping giant, a family-supported club with traditional values, and we see the value in taking the brand global.'

Come on Microsoft Man this is your chance.
Maybe Paul Gardner Allen will put in a bid to buy Saints. Who? Paul Gardner Allen, one of the world's richest men and co-founder with Bill Gates of global software giant Microsoft. In 2007 A source close to Allen said he 'believes there is long-term investment value in UK soccer. He added: 'Southampton is a sleeping giant, a family-supported club with traditional values, and we see the value in taking the brand global.' Come on Microsoft Man this is your chance. deepheat

12:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

Interesting.
Yes under cortèse we have been in the accendancy, how ever it's not his money. If the money people basically let him go it's for a reason. I'd rather their money than cortèse. The leihberrs are 'money people, they won't want to lose any either if they sell or want to keep us. If they sell the organisation buying won't want to lose money. Let's not forget our assets, which are far greater than other clubs. I'm not worried.
Interesting. Yes under cortèse we have been in the accendancy, how ever it's not his money. If the money people basically let him go it's for a reason. I'd rather their money than cortèse. The leihberrs are 'money people, they won't want to lose any either if they sell or want to keep us. If they sell the organisation buying won't want to lose money. Let's not forget our assets, which are far greater than other clubs. I'm not worried. ghk230473

12:33pm Wed 15 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty.

Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's!

I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space!
Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty. Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's! I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space![/p][/quote]Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan bluewhiteandred

12:34pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

St Retford wrote:
george chivers wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think.

We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous.
I was just trying to lighten the mood. It's good for morale.
Quite. Yesterday evening, we went to see Belle and Sebastian (no, not the Scottish band who stole the name), but a lovely French film based on the 1960s TV show of the same name. (Some of us probably watched it after Blue Peter back in the '60s.)

Sebastian is a small kid growing up in The Alps during the war. He befriends a wild dog (Belle) who has been accused of killing sheep. The local farmers set up a posse to hunt down Belle and almost succeed in killing her. Of course, in the end, Belle is proved to be a goodie and goes on to save sheep and help the local doctor home from the freezing mountains before being instrumental in aiding the flight to Switzerland of a family of French Jews.

It's a story of how a character (Belle) can at first be portrayed as bad but, once people see the truth and open their eyes, how they begin to see a world of possibilities in which their dreams become reality. By the end, everyone appreciates Belle and wonders how on earth they ever lived without her and how they would ever manage if she were not there.

I'm waiting for the sequel in which Sebastian grows up, changes his name and starts a multi-billion pound construction company near the Swiss border before (ever mindful of Belle) putting his well-founded trust in someone who, at first, some think is nothing more than a sheep rustler.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]The other point being don't watch crap TV like Death in Paradise. What a dreadful plot. That was the first time I had watched it, there won't be a second time. Not a good analogy with our football club I think. We are not currently fearing change, we are fearing uncertainty. The time to fear change or not to fear change is when you know what change is going to happen. We don't know yet. So let's wait and see and then we can assess whether we need to fear it or not. To say 'Don't fear change' as a blanket statement, is without detailed facts, to say the very least Dangerous.[/p][/quote]I was just trying to lighten the mood. It's good for morale.[/p][/quote]Quite. Yesterday evening, we went to see Belle and Sebastian (no, not the Scottish band who stole the name), but a lovely French film based on the 1960s TV show of the same name. (Some of us probably watched it after Blue Peter back in the '60s.) Sebastian is a small kid growing up in The Alps during the war. He befriends a wild dog (Belle) who has been accused of killing sheep. The local farmers set up a posse to hunt down Belle and almost succeed in killing her. Of course, in the end, Belle is proved to be a goodie and goes on to save sheep and help the local doctor home from the freezing mountains before being instrumental in aiding the flight to Switzerland of a family of French Jews. It's a story of how a character (Belle) can at first be portrayed as bad but, once people see the truth and open their eyes, how they begin to see a world of possibilities in which their dreams become reality. By the end, everyone appreciates Belle and wonders how on earth they ever lived without her and how they would ever manage if she were not there. I'm waiting for the sequel in which Sebastian grows up, changes his name and starts a multi-billion pound construction company near the Swiss border before (ever mindful of Belle) putting his well-founded trust in someone who, at first, some think is nothing more than a sheep rustler. Strasbourg Saint

12:38pm Wed 15 Jan 14

stfrancisofbenali says...

Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC. stfrancisofbenali

12:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
St.Yorkie wrote:
I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty.

Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's!

I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space!
Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan
Saints form dipped 3rd to 9th then cortese goes was it on the cards and poch may go and some players also ? Milan with ENGLAND players ?
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty. Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's! I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space![/p][/quote]Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan[/p][/quote]Saints form dipped 3rd to 9th then cortese goes was it on the cards and poch may go and some players also ? Milan with ENGLAND players ? bluewhiteandred

12:42pm Wed 15 Jan 14

InThatNumber says...

This can only mean bad news for the club, when a chairman starts to make the headlines it can only end in disruption for Saints progress. I guess there will be no new signings and I pray that we can keep hold of our best assets during the January transfer window. MoPo will now be considering his future and players like Luke Shaw, Adam Lalana, Rickie and many more may now be weighing up their options. I doubt very much if this is a Cortese bluff.
This can only mean bad news for the club, when a chairman starts to make the headlines it can only end in disruption for Saints progress. I guess there will be no new signings and I pray that we can keep hold of our best assets during the January transfer window. MoPo will now be considering his future and players like Luke Shaw, Adam Lalana, Rickie and many more may now be weighing up their options. I doubt very much if this is a Cortese bluff. InThatNumber

12:43pm Wed 15 Jan 14

deepheat says...

Does this mean we can go back to red and white stripe shirts again?
Does this mean we can go back to red and white stripe shirts again? deepheat

12:44pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him!
[quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him! ghk230473

12:44pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Sadoldgitte says...

What happened to the news item that said he had resigned?
What happened to the news item that said he had resigned? Sadoldgitte

12:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Bricktop_ says...

Sadoldgitte wrote:
What happened to the news item that said he had resigned?
Got rid of that quick didn't they.
[quote][p][bold]Sadoldgitte[/bold] wrote: What happened to the news item that said he had resigned?[/p][/quote]Got rid of that quick didn't they. Bricktop_

12:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

JohnSFC says...

HES HANDED IN HIS RESIGNATION NOOOOO!
HES HANDED IN HIS RESIGNATION NOOOOO! JohnSFC

12:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Bricktop_ says...

JohnSFC wrote:
HES HANDED IN HIS RESIGNATION NOOOOO!
Might not have, Daily Echo just took down that article.
[quote][p][bold]JohnSFC[/bold] wrote: HES HANDED IN HIS RESIGNATION NOOOOO![/p][/quote]Might not have, Daily Echo just took down that article. Bricktop_

12:51pm Wed 15 Jan 14

JohnSFC says...

Bricktop_ wrote:
JohnSFC wrote:
HES HANDED IN HIS RESIGNATION NOOOOO!
Might not have, Daily Echo just took down that article.
Its on the Sky Sports website
[quote][p][bold]Bricktop_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnSFC[/bold] wrote: HES HANDED IN HIS RESIGNATION NOOOOO![/p][/quote]Might not have, Daily Echo just took down that article.[/p][/quote]Its on the Sky Sports website JohnSFC

12:54pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Dave Juson says...

stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
[quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted. Dave Juson

12:55pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Bricktop_ says...

"This article was updated at 12.36pm the reflect the confirmation that the reports of the resignation were false."
"This article was updated at 12.36pm the reflect the confirmation that the reports of the resignation were false." Bricktop_

12:57pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ToastyTea says...

Bricktop_ wrote:
JohnSFC wrote: HES HANDED IN HIS RESIGNATION NOOOOO!
Might not have, Daily Echo just took down that article.
you gota laugh
[quote][p][bold]Bricktop_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnSFC[/bold] wrote: HES HANDED IN HIS RESIGNATION NOOOOO![/p][/quote]Might not have, Daily Echo just took down that article.[/p][/quote]you gota laugh ToastyTea

12:59pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SFCOLDBOY says...

Aint it amazing as we approached the transfer window how Southampton football Club became centre of attraction. i.e Clattenburgate.
Now Cortesse.
I said a while back when we we revelling in the most positive press that our club has ever been received from the media, be prepared for the opposite to follow.
Here we are.
There may be some truth in what is being said but the vultures are gathering and now going to maximise the situation, hence de-stabilisation of our club and players.
The media do not want us to succeed, we are not in London or the Nr West.
They may have the power to do this but they can't ever change our support for our great football club.
COYS
Aint it amazing as we approached the transfer window how Southampton football Club became centre of attraction. i.e Clattenburgate. Now Cortesse. I said a while back when we we revelling in the most positive press that our club has ever been received from the media, be prepared for the opposite to follow. Here we are. There may be some truth in what is being said but the vultures are gathering and now going to maximise the situation, hence de-stabilisation of our club and players. The media do not want us to succeed, we are not in London or the Nr West. They may have the power to do this but they can't ever change our support for our great football club. COYS SFCOLDBOY

1:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

NewForestStu says...

'The Daily Echo has been told that the executive chairman has suffered an ‘irretrievable breakdown’ in relations with the Liebherr estate who own the club'.

Daily Echo - How about you actually reveal who told you this information? Don't give me any pon about classified info etc, you never really worry when printing (or regurgitating) rubbish in the past.
'The Daily Echo has been told that the executive chairman has suffered an ‘irretrievable breakdown’ in relations with the Liebherr estate who own the club'. Daily Echo - How about you actually reveal who told you this information? Don't give me any pon about classified info etc, you never really worry when printing (or regurgitating) rubbish in the past. NewForestStu

1:05pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

So it's official, Nicola Cortese really doesn't like January. Either he just enters the new year in a particularly bad mood or he just gets bored, either way it's not good.
So it's official, Nicola Cortese really doesn't like January. Either he just enters the new year in a particularly bad mood or he just gets bored, either way it's not good. SaintJD

1:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

batesieboy says...

stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)
[quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?) batesieboy

1:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

NewForestStu wrote:
'The Daily Echo has been told that the executive chairman has suffered an ‘irretrievable breakdown’ in relations with the Liebherr estate who own the club'.

Daily Echo - How about you actually reveal who told you this information? Don't give me any pon about classified info etc, you never really worry when printing (or regurgitating) rubbish in the past.
BBC Sport aren't carrying it as as main headline(when I last looked) only as a piece on the Southampton page,and even that only says "he could leave at the end of the season".
[quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: 'The Daily Echo has been told that the executive chairman has suffered an ‘irretrievable breakdown’ in relations with the Liebherr estate who own the club'. Daily Echo - How about you actually reveal who told you this information? Don't give me any pon about classified info etc, you never really worry when printing (or regurgitating) rubbish in the past.[/p][/quote]BBC Sport aren't carrying it as as main headline(when I last looked) only as a piece on the Southampton page,and even that only says "he could leave at the end of the season". Positively4thStreet

1:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Blackwaterblue says...

If he hasn't gone now, he will do soon so start looking for another CEO and Manager now. It's no big deal: Saints will survive.
If he hasn't gone now, he will do soon so start looking for another CEO and Manager now. It's no big deal: Saints will survive. Blackwaterblue

1:11pm Wed 15 Jan 14

batesieboy says...

ghk230473 wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him!
Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him![/p][/quote]Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it. batesieboy

1:11pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Little Hitler says...

Won't believe anything till it's confirmed.

Even if it is true, we'll still be a million times better off than when he came so would have nothing to complain about TBH. Whoever's at this club now inherits world class facilities, world class players and a world class production line of youth.

Whoever inherits the skates inherits a portaloo and Sunday league players. FACT!
Won't believe anything till it's confirmed. Even if it is true, we'll still be a million times better off than when he came so would have nothing to complain about TBH. Whoever's at this club now inherits world class facilities, world class players and a world class production line of youth. Whoever inherits the skates inherits a portaloo and Sunday league players. FACT! Little Hitler

1:16pm Wed 15 Jan 14

stfrancisofbenali says...

batesieboy wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)
You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)[/p][/quote]You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links. stfrancisofbenali

1:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

batesieboy wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him!
Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it.
Nicely worded though ;-)
And wind your neck in I ain't no fool, who do you think you are mr t?... Get on a plane!
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him![/p][/quote]Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it.[/p][/quote]Nicely worded though ;-) And wind your neck in I ain't no fool, who do you think you are mr t?... Get on a plane! ghk230473

1:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Won't believe anything till it's confirmed.

Even if it is true, we'll still be a million times better off than when he came so would have nothing to complain about TBH. Whoever's at this club now inherits world class facilities, world class players and a world class production line of youth.

Whoever inherits the skates inherits a portaloo and Sunday league players. FACT!
Rumour has it that Pompey are merging with Havant and Waterlooville,and forming a new club called "Portalooville". (The old one's are the best! Still funny though) :0)
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: Won't believe anything till it's confirmed. Even if it is true, we'll still be a million times better off than when he came so would have nothing to complain about TBH. Whoever's at this club now inherits world class facilities, world class players and a world class production line of youth. Whoever inherits the skates inherits a portaloo and Sunday league players. FACT![/p][/quote]Rumour has it that Pompey are merging with Havant and Waterlooville,and forming a new club called "Portalooville". (The old one's are the best! Still funny though) :0) Positively4thStreet

1:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

Nicola Cortese to resign and leave Southampton boss Mauricio Pochettino’s future in doubt

The METRO ?

Nicola Cortese why wont he say .
Nicola Cortese to resign and leave Southampton boss Mauricio Pochettino’s future in doubt The METRO ? Nicola Cortese why wont he say . bluewhiteandred

1:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Confucious says...

None of this sounds to me at all in keeping with either Cortese's commitment to the club and the project or the style of the Liebherr family - or indeed the wishes left by Marcus to which both parties are allied. I suspect it will get sorted to our satisfaction.
None of this sounds to me at all in keeping with either Cortese's commitment to the club and the project or the style of the Liebherr family - or indeed the wishes left by Marcus to which both parties are allied. I suspect it will get sorted to our satisfaction. Confucious

1:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

Interested addition to the Sky Sports story that NC has resigned:

But it is also understood that his resignation has been rejected by owner Katharina Liebherr.
Interested addition to the Sky Sports story that NC has resigned: But it is also understood that his resignation has been rejected by owner Katharina Liebherr. SaintJD

1:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that. ghk230473

1:29pm Wed 15 Jan 14

NewForestStu says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
NewForestStu wrote: 'The Daily Echo has been told that the executive chairman has suffered an ‘irretrievable breakdown’ in relations with the Liebherr estate who own the club'. Daily Echo - How about you actually reveal who told you this information? Don't give me any pon about classified info etc, you never really worry when printing (or regurgitating) rubbish in the past.
BBC Sport aren't carrying it as as main headline(when I last looked) only as a piece on the Southampton page,and even that only says "he could leave at the end of the season".
i am not for one minute saying there is no smoke without fire etc however, along with the Daily Mail article i have been looking at (usual trype from them as well) i dont actually see any signs of an official quote or anything of the like. Perhaps it will be the case that he resigns (hope not) but whatever goes, ever since the introduction of the web it seems that the standards of press have deteriorated and most sites now simply cut and paste.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NewForestStu[/bold] wrote: 'The Daily Echo has been told that the executive chairman has suffered an ‘irretrievable breakdown’ in relations with the Liebherr estate who own the club'. Daily Echo - How about you actually reveal who told you this information? Don't give me any pon about classified info etc, you never really worry when printing (or regurgitating) rubbish in the past.[/p][/quote]BBC Sport aren't carrying it as as main headline(when I last looked) only as a piece on the Southampton page,and even that only says "he could leave at the end of the season".[/p][/quote]i am not for one minute saying there is no smoke without fire etc however, along with the Daily Mail article i have been looking at (usual trype from them as well) i dont actually see any signs of an official quote or anything of the like. Perhaps it will be the case that he resigns (hope not) but whatever goes, ever since the introduction of the web it seems that the standards of press have deteriorated and most sites now simply cut and paste. NewForestStu

1:32pm Wed 15 Jan 14

St Retford says...

Oh man up, everyone.

Nicola's never let us down yet and he's not about to start now.
Oh man up, everyone. Nicola's never let us down yet and he's not about to start now. St Retford

1:34pm Wed 15 Jan 14

stfrancisofbenali says...

batesieboy wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him!
Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it.
Cortese thinks the earth revolves around him and I think that's the point. This was only ever about him and we have simply benefited short-term from his personal aspiration. The point is I never believed he was committed for the long haul.
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him![/p][/quote]Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it.[/p][/quote]Cortese thinks the earth revolves around him and I think that's the point. This was only ever about him and we have simply benefited short-term from his personal aspiration. The point is I never believed he was committed for the long haul. stfrancisofbenali

1:37pm Wed 15 Jan 14

soton1980 says...

Markus must be turning in his grave! I hope Katrina Liebherr and Cortese can reach some kind of agreement as it's what he would have wanted.
Markus must be turning in his grave! I hope Katrina Liebherr and Cortese can reach some kind of agreement as it's what he would have wanted. soton1980

1:39pm Wed 15 Jan 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

100 % SUPPORT CORTESE and his ambition to achieve Champions League Football.

COYR
100 % SUPPORT CORTESE and his ambition to achieve Champions League Football. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH

1:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Little Hitler says...

stfrancisofbenali wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him!
Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it.
Cortese thinks the earth revolves around him and I think that's the point. This was only ever about him and we have simply benefited short-term from his personal aspiration. The point is I never believed he was committed for the long haul.
I really don't agree with this.

If he thought the earth revolved around him then we'd seem him popping up on 'teh Sky Digical' every other day. He's always kept himself to himself if you ask me.

He does, however, run the club stringently demanding the upmost professionalism and effort from everyone. There's certainly be no room for freeloaders under him too.
[quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him![/p][/quote]Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it.[/p][/quote]Cortese thinks the earth revolves around him and I think that's the point. This was only ever about him and we have simply benefited short-term from his personal aspiration. The point is I never believed he was committed for the long haul.[/p][/quote]I really don't agree with this. If he thought the earth revolved around him then we'd seem him popping up on 'teh Sky Digical' every other day. He's always kept himself to himself if you ask me. He does, however, run the club stringently demanding the upmost professionalism and effort from everyone. There's certainly be no room for freeloaders under him too. Little Hitler

1:48pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Paul TS says...

twovests wrote:
Pompey Fan in Peace:
Looking at things from the outside, even if he does leave, surely the state of the club at the moment means that it's nothing but an extremely attractive option for someone?
As an England fan, I hope everything is sorted for the good, as the standard of your youth set up can only be good for the future of the national team.
Well said twovests, love our local rivalry and banter and makes a change to have some sensible comments from up the road!
[quote][p][bold]twovests[/bold] wrote: Pompey Fan in Peace: Looking at things from the outside, even if he does leave, surely the state of the club at the moment means that it's nothing but an extremely attractive option for someone? As an England fan, I hope everything is sorted for the good, as the standard of your youth set up can only be good for the future of the national team.[/p][/quote]Well said twovests, love our local rivalry and banter and makes a change to have some sensible comments from up the road! Paul TS

1:48pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

stfrancisofbenali wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him!
Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it.
Cortese thinks the earth revolves around him and I think that's the point. This was only ever about him and we have simply benefited short-term from his personal aspiration. The point is I never believed he was committed for the long haul.
Where have you been hiding for the last three years?
[quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]Constructive critisism but get your hard hat on son, some on here think the earth revolves around him![/p][/quote]Constructive??!! Fool! It's just personal criticism which has nothing constructive to it.[/p][/quote]Cortese thinks the earth revolves around him and I think that's the point. This was only ever about him and we have simply benefited short-term from his personal aspiration. The point is I never believed he was committed for the long haul.[/p][/quote]Where have you been hiding for the last three years? OSPREYSAINT

1:50pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Sir Alan Knight says...

oh dear that's bad news oh well every cloud see you in 2 years!
oh dear that's bad news oh well every cloud see you in 2 years! Sir Alan Knight

1:50pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

So Sky have been telling us fibs then?
So Sky have been telling us fibs then? OSPREYSAINT

1:54pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

Sir Alan Knight wrote:
oh dear that's bad news oh well every cloud see you in 2 years!
Not sure how you worked out the two years bit mate. It's mathematically impossible for us to be in the Southern Conference in two years time.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Alan Knight[/bold] wrote: oh dear that's bad news oh well every cloud see you in 2 years![/p][/quote]Not sure how you worked out the two years bit mate. It's mathematically impossible for us to be in the Southern Conference in two years time. SaintJD

1:55pm Wed 15 Jan 14

miltonarcher says...

Calm down, calm down. Yes NC has achieved great things here, but thats a big wide world out there, there are plenty of NC's in the sea. As to MoPo, it was back in the summer when he thought NC would leave before the start of the season that he indicated he would also go. Now, it might be different.

Lets hope this is all just posturing.
Calm down, calm down. Yes NC has achieved great things here, but thats a big wide world out there, there are plenty of NC's in the sea. As to MoPo, it was back in the summer when he thought NC would leave before the start of the season that he indicated he would also go. Now, it might be different. Lets hope this is all just posturing. miltonarcher

1:55pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

PTID1898 wrote:
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BLUE ARMY!!!!!!!
Thank you, but where are you going?
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahlolololol olololololololololol olololololololololol olololololololololol olololololololololol olololololololololol olololololololololol olololol the exodus begins.. BLUE ARMY!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Thank you, but where are you going? OSPREYSAINT

2:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

2:02pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Calm down, calm down. Yes NC has achieved great things here, but thats a big wide world out there, there are plenty of NC's in the sea. As to MoPo, it was back in the summer when he thought NC would leave before the start of the season that he indicated he would also go. Now, it might be different.

Lets hope this is all just posturing.
Are there? Shame we never found one before then!
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Calm down, calm down. Yes NC has achieved great things here, but thats a big wide world out there, there are plenty of NC's in the sea. As to MoPo, it was back in the summer when he thought NC would leave before the start of the season that he indicated he would also go. Now, it might be different. Lets hope this is all just posturing.[/p][/quote]Are there? Shame we never found one before then! Seedhouse the Unrepentant

2:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Chriops says...

I feel absolutely gutted. Everything seemed to be going so well.

I find the whole thing kind of surreal.

I can only assume that KL isn't happy to fund Saints rapid rise up the league.
Cortese seems to be a man in a hurry, and want's Saints to get into the CL - lol we all do, but that means additional funding. That said, could this be more about the funding of expansion or a new, larger stadium.

I can't see KL balking at a few million transfer budget, as that can be funded within the income of the club, but stadia cost hundreds of million. I could certainly see that as a potential stumbling block.


Who knows what will happen, but it has certainly cast a dark shadow over St Mary's
I feel absolutely gutted. Everything seemed to be going so well. I find the whole thing kind of surreal. I can only assume that KL isn't happy to fund Saints rapid rise up the league. Cortese seems to be a man in a hurry, and want's Saints to get into the CL - lol we all do, but that means additional funding. That said, could this be more about the funding of expansion or a new, larger stadium. I can't see KL balking at a few million transfer budget, as that can be funded within the income of the club, but stadia cost hundreds of million. I could certainly see that as a potential stumbling block. Who knows what will happen, but it has certainly cast a dark shadow over St Mary's Chriops

2:04pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Skating on thin ice wrote:
Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013:
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After your previous posts I tried to fathom it all out and came to the conclusion that they just got rid of all of the deadwood left after ML passed away, I can see your point that SFC could also be considered "deadwood" too to be got rid of at the earliest opportunity, fair comment. I don't pretend to understand business or finance so can't make a comment.
Deadwood the liebherr trust does not want to fund saints to go up a level and liebherr group their container business is having problems in Ireland is their a connection .

A majority of Siptu workers at the Liebherr Ireland container plant in Killarney last night rejected Labour Court proposals aimed at resolving a four-year pay claim dispute and the result is likely to add greatly to worries about the future of one of Kerry's biggest firms.
Ah! our downfall is as the result of some kind of Industrial dispute in Ireland, I predict a riot.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013: http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/pub/shab_p ublikation_mali_hold ing_ag_zurich_114099 7.pdf bringing that part of his career association with her to an end. The other companies in the MALI group, such as MALI MOTAN and MALI Common Rail Technologies, have all been liquidated, as of July 2013. http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_motan _ag_in_liquidation_C H-217.3.532.363-7.ht m http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_commo n_rail_technologies_ ag_in_liquidation_CH -020.3.022.777-4.htm[/p][/quote]After your previous posts I tried to fathom it all out and came to the conclusion that they just got rid of all of the deadwood left after ML passed away, I can see your point that SFC could also be considered "deadwood" too to be got rid of at the earliest opportunity, fair comment. I don't pretend to understand business or finance so can't make a comment.[/p][/quote]Deadwood the liebherr trust does not want to fund saints to go up a level and liebherr group their container business is having problems in Ireland is their a connection . A majority of Siptu workers at the Liebherr Ireland container plant in Killarney last night rejected Labour Court proposals aimed at resolving a four-year pay claim dispute and the result is likely to add greatly to worries about the future of one of Kerry's biggest firms.[/p][/quote]Ah! our downfall is as the result of some kind of Industrial dispute in Ireland, I predict a riot. OSPREYSAINT

2:07pm Wed 15 Jan 14

deepheat says...

Katharina Liebherr to be Chairwoman perhaps?
Katharina Liebherr to be Chairwoman perhaps? deepheat

2:07pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

soton1980 wrote:
Markus must be turning in his grave! I hope Katrina Liebherr and Cortese can reach some kind of agreement as it's what he would have wanted.
I doubt it. Markus was a business man and I'm sure he can see this from both points of view. Both parties probably feel they have his best interests at heart, either to preserve his estate and protect it or to see his dream for the Saints realised. I'm sure Markus put the estate in her hands for a reason and he clearly trusted both of them. As with any business there will be differences of opinion, sometimes with very polarised positions, but hopefully they can reach a compromise that will keep his vision on track.

That said, as a businessman, I'm sure Markus didn't just see Saints as purely a labour of love either. Yes, he had a vision, but all great businessmen also have some sort of exit strategy.

I'm not saying he did, but I think the idea that Markus was just a cuddly old man who would be easily offended is a bit naive - he was a highly intelligent business man with a plan.

And the fact he was such close friends with Nicola and gave him the job in the first place shows that he must have been more than happy dealing with people that others might describe as difficult. And I imagine they probably had their disagreements too.
[quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: Markus must be turning in his grave! I hope Katrina Liebherr and Cortese can reach some kind of agreement as it's what he would have wanted.[/p][/quote]I doubt it. Markus was a business man and I'm sure he can see this from both points of view. Both parties probably feel they have his best interests at heart, either to preserve his estate and protect it or to see his dream for the Saints realised. I'm sure Markus put the estate in her hands for a reason and he clearly trusted both of them. As with any business there will be differences of opinion, sometimes with very polarised positions, but hopefully they can reach a compromise that will keep his vision on track. That said, as a businessman, I'm sure Markus didn't just see Saints as purely a labour of love either. Yes, he had a vision, but all great businessmen also have some sort of exit strategy. I'm not saying he did, but I think the idea that Markus was just a cuddly old man who would be easily offended is a bit naive - he was a highly intelligent business man with a plan. And the fact he was such close friends with Nicola and gave him the job in the first place shows that he must have been more than happy dealing with people that others might describe as difficult. And I imagine they probably had their disagreements too. SaintJD

2:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

stfrancisofbenali wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)
You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.
Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise?
[quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)[/p][/quote]You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.[/p][/quote]Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise? OSPREYSAINT

2:13pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Skating on thin ice wrote:
Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013:
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bringing that part of his career association with her to an end.

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After your previous posts I tried to fathom it all out and came to the conclusion that they just got rid of all of the deadwood left after ML passed away, I can see your point that SFC could also be considered "deadwood" too to be got rid of at the earliest opportunity, fair comment. I don't pretend to understand business or finance so can't make a comment.
Deadwood the liebherr trust does not want to fund saints to go up a level and liebherr group their container business is having problems in Ireland is their a connection .

A majority of Siptu workers at the Liebherr Ireland container plant in Killarney last night rejected Labour Court proposals aimed at resolving a four-year pay claim dispute and the result is likely to add greatly to worries about the future of one of Kerry's biggest firms.
Ah! our downfall is as the result of some kind of Industrial dispute in Ireland, I predict a riot.
Yes, because I'm sure the Liebherr family were staking the future of their entire empire on the success of the Irish economy. Who could have possibly seen that coming?

What it does show is that they aren't prepared to continue working in an unsustainable way and pay people money that will mean the company has to make them redundant in a year's time because the money isn't there to support it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: Most of you haven't been following the details of the breakdown in the business relationship between Cortese and Katharina Liebherr. You won't already know, for example, that Cortese stood down from the board of Katharina's MALI Holdings company in October 2013: http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/pub/shab_p ublikation_mali_hold ing_ag_zurich_114099 7.pdf bringing that part of his career association with her to an end. The other companies in the MALI group, such as MALI MOTAN and MALI Common Rail Technologies, have all been liquidated, as of July 2013. http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_motan _ag_in_liquidation_C H-217.3.532.363-7.ht m http://www.moneyhous e.ch/en/u/mali_commo n_rail_technologies_ ag_in_liquidation_CH -020.3.022.777-4.htm[/p][/quote]After your previous posts I tried to fathom it all out and came to the conclusion that they just got rid of all of the deadwood left after ML passed away, I can see your point that SFC could also be considered "deadwood" too to be got rid of at the earliest opportunity, fair comment. I don't pretend to understand business or finance so can't make a comment.[/p][/quote]Deadwood the liebherr trust does not want to fund saints to go up a level and liebherr group their container business is having problems in Ireland is their a connection . A majority of Siptu workers at the Liebherr Ireland container plant in Killarney last night rejected Labour Court proposals aimed at resolving a four-year pay claim dispute and the result is likely to add greatly to worries about the future of one of Kerry's biggest firms.[/p][/quote]Ah! our downfall is as the result of some kind of Industrial dispute in Ireland, I predict a riot.[/p][/quote]Yes, because I'm sure the Liebherr family were staking the future of their entire empire on the success of the Irish economy. Who could have possibly seen that coming? What it does show is that they aren't prepared to continue working in an unsustainable way and pay people money that will mean the company has to make them redundant in a year's time because the money isn't there to support it. SaintJD

2:13pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Chriops says...

Skysports live at St Mary's very soon....
Skysports live at St Mary's very soon.... Chriops

2:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
There are some that are with you on that, but it's a somewhat lonely furrow at the moment, that could all change.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.[/p][/quote]There are some that are with you on that, but it's a somewhat lonely furrow at the moment, that could all change. OSPREYSAINT

2:18pm Wed 15 Jan 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League. george chivers

2:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
St.Yorkie wrote:
I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty.

Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's!

I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space!
Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan
We haven't any friendlies planned at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty. Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's! I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space![/p][/quote]Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan[/p][/quote]We haven't any friendlies planned at the moment. OSPREYSAINT

2:23pm Wed 15 Jan 14

lowe esteem says...

St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum.
Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number.
Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum. Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number. Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton. lowe esteem

2:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

george chivers says...

Sky sports say NC has handed in his resignation.
Sky sports say NC has handed in his resignation. george chivers

2:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

deepheat says...

Everything is coming from a source according to Sky.
We need to hear from the owner Katharina Liebherr and her side of the story.
Everything is coming from a source according to Sky. We need to hear from the owner Katharina Liebherr and her side of the story. deepheat

2:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Saint Botley says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.[/p][/quote]Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started. Saint Botley

2:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

I've just been listening to Innervisions by little Stevie Wonder. One fantastic track is Higher Ground. Know it?

I think he sings: 'Believers, keep on believing.'

Or, maybe, just maybe, he sings: Liebherrs, keep on believing.'

It's a sign.
I've just been listening to Innervisions by little Stevie Wonder. One fantastic track is Higher Ground. Know it? I think he sings: 'Believers, keep on believing.' Or, maybe, just maybe, he sings: Liebherrs, keep on believing.' It's a sign. Strasbourg Saint

2:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Sutton Saint says...

Sell the club to Nic, he will have no problems getting financial backers
Sell the club to Nic, he will have no problems getting financial backers Sutton Saint

2:31pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
bluewhiteandred wrote:
St.Yorkie wrote:
I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty.

Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's!

I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space!
Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan
We haven't any friendlies planned at the moment.
And seeing as they've just appointed their new manager I kind of doubt it. Although I can think of a couple of players he could take from us for the right price.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty. Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's! I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space![/p][/quote]Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan[/p][/quote]We haven't any friendlies planned at the moment.[/p][/quote]And seeing as they've just appointed their new manager I kind of doubt it. Although I can think of a couple of players he could take from us for the right price. SaintJD

2:32pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Breaking News: The bulb in my table lamp has broken, luckily I had a spare.
Breaking News: The bulb in my table lamp has broken, luckily I had a spare. OSPREYSAINT

2:36pm Wed 15 Jan 14

St Retford says...

lowe esteem wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum.
Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number.
Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton.
I think Marshall is a very watchable actor; there's something innately likeable about him. I also think they've made it clear his character is going to be very different to Miller's (the fact he drinks rum rather than tea was a clear signal) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a romance on the cards between him and Martens.

Also, next week's show features an appearance from Michelle Ryan, aka Zoe Slater in 'Enders, who I have always had the utmost regard for as an actor (ie I definitely, definitely would) so, all things considered, I can't wait for the rest of the series.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum. Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number. Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton.[/p][/quote]I think Marshall is a very watchable actor; there's something innately likeable about him. I also think they've made it clear his character is going to be very different to Miller's (the fact he drinks rum rather than tea was a clear signal) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a romance on the cards between him and Martens. Also, next week's show features an appearance from Michelle Ryan, aka Zoe Slater in 'Enders, who I have always had the utmost regard for as an actor (ie I definitely, definitely would) so, all things considered, I can't wait for the rest of the series. St Retford

2:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

george chivers says...

Saint Botley wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.
We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game.

There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.
[quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.[/p][/quote]Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.[/p][/quote]We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game. There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size. george chivers

2:53pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

george chivers wrote:
Saint Botley wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.
We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game.

There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.
Need to encourage those Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants to support us, should be plenty to go around, just need a Bulgarian Centre Back (with a bit of pace) and a class Romanian GK and we will be laughing.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.[/p][/quote]Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.[/p][/quote]We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game. There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.[/p][/quote]Need to encourage those Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants to support us, should be plenty to go around, just need a Bulgarian Centre Back (with a bit of pace) and a class Romanian GK and we will be laughing. OSPREYSAINT

2:56pm Wed 15 Jan 14

J7junctionseven says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
St.Yorkie wrote:
I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty.

Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's!

I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space!
Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan
Will you finally do us all a favour and jump under that bus?
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: I guess after the ride we have been on and the relative stability for the squad, manager and fans - this is going to stir up all sorts of uncertainty. Cortese has pulled this type of stunt before and got away with it - but you can only do it once. Public outcry form 26,000 regular fans will not sway business people like the Liebherr's! I sense the end of another era at Southampton FC - I'll still be here as will 99% of the people who follow the club. The players will get unsettled - the transfer window is clearly open for another 16-days - watch this space![/p][/quote]Will Cortese take poch and players to Milan[/p][/quote]Will you finally do us all a favour and jump under that bus? J7junctionseven

2:57pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Bitterne Park Tim says...

Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year....
Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year.... Bitterne Park Tim

2:58pm Wed 15 Jan 14

J7junctionseven says...

deepheat wrote:
Everything is coming from a source according to Sky.
We need to hear from the owner Katharina Liebherr and her side of the story.
She needs a hug I reckon.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: Everything is coming from a source according to Sky. We need to hear from the owner Katharina Liebherr and her side of the story.[/p][/quote]She needs a hug I reckon. COYR J7junctionseven

3:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BracknellSaint says...

Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year....
Evidence?
[quote][p][bold]Bitterne Park Tim[/bold] wrote: Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year....[/p][/quote]Evidence? BracknellSaint

3:02pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BracknellSaint says...

Still dragging on then...
Hope we'll get an official comment soon?
If it's all been false, Skysports might be getting a legal summons ?
Still dragging on then... Hope we'll get an official comment soon? If it's all been false, Skysports might be getting a legal summons ? BracknellSaint

3:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

J7junctionseven says...

Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year....
I think you may need to check the accounts properly.
[quote][p][bold]Bitterne Park Tim[/bold] wrote: Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year....[/p][/quote]I think you may need to check the accounts properly. J7junctionseven

3:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Dubsaint says...

Fortunately, I'm a Leiber Beleiber.
Fortunately, I'm a Leiber Beleiber. Dubsaint

3:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

J7junctionseven says...

george chivers wrote:
Saint Botley wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.
We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game.

There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.
Chelsea and Liverpool haven't got a 70,000 stadium.
48,000 would do as a start
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.[/p][/quote]Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.[/p][/quote]We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game. There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.[/p][/quote]Chelsea and Liverpool haven't got a 70,000 stadium. 48,000 would do as a start J7junctionseven

3:15pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

Katherine wants to sell!
Katherine wants to sell! ghk230473

3:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BracknellSaint says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Katherine wants to sell!
Evidence?
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Katherine wants to sell![/p][/quote]Evidence? BracknellSaint

3:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

J7junctionseven says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Katherine wants to sell!
or Katharina even
Seen it on Sky sports
Get the loaded Chinese bloke to by us and keep Cortese
COYR
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Katherine wants to sell![/p][/quote]or Katharina even Seen it on Sky sports Get the loaded Chinese bloke to by us and keep Cortese COYR J7junctionseven

3:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

J7junctionseven says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Katherine wants to sell!
Or Katharina even!
Seen it on Sky sports
Get the loaded Chinese bloke to buy us and keep Cortese
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Katherine wants to sell![/p][/quote]Or Katharina even! Seen it on Sky sports Get the loaded Chinese bloke to buy us and keep Cortese J7junctionseven

3:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

St Retford says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Katherine wants to sell!
If this is true, then it would make sense for Nicola to resign in order to front a bid to buy it on behalf of someone else.

If it's not true then he'll stay.

Either way, Nicola won't walk away from this amazing thing he's made.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Katherine wants to sell![/p][/quote]If this is true, then it would make sense for Nicola to resign in order to front a bid to buy it on behalf of someone else. If it's not true then he'll stay. Either way, Nicola won't walk away from this amazing thing he's made. St Retford

3:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

st1halo says...

george chivers wrote:
Saint Botley wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.
We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game.

There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.
Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future.

STID
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.[/p][/quote]Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.[/p][/quote]We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game. There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.[/p][/quote]Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future. STID st1halo

3:33pm Wed 15 Jan 14

St Retford says...

st1halo wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Botley wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.
We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game.

There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.
Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future.

STID
Precisely. Leverkusen have a smaller stadium than us and things aren't going too badly for them. TV and European money is WAY more important than ticket sales.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.[/p][/quote]Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.[/p][/quote]We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game. There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.[/p][/quote]Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future. STID[/p][/quote]Precisely. Leverkusen have a smaller stadium than us and things aren't going too badly for them. TV and European money is WAY more important than ticket sales. St Retford

3:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

stfrancisofbenali says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)
You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.
Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise?
I agree it's been fun but do you really think that Cortese shares the same passion and life-long commitment to Saints that we have? Money my friend is his motivation, not a love for the boys in the red (and white) shirts.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)[/p][/quote]You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.[/p][/quote]Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise?[/p][/quote]I agree it's been fun but do you really think that Cortese shares the same passion and life-long commitment to Saints that we have? Money my friend is his motivation, not a love for the boys in the red (and white) shirts. stfrancisofbenali

3:43pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ?
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.[/p][/quote]A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ? ctsaint

3:43pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

Confucious wrote:
None of this sounds to me at all in keeping with either Cortese's commitment to the club and the project or the style of the Liebherr family - or indeed the wishes left by Marcus to which both parties are allied. I suspect it will get sorted to our satisfaction.
I'm right with you Confucious. There are inconsistencies with these rumours compared with the formal announcements.

Who is the source "close to the top of the club" ?? It is like Fort Knox in terms of leaks. If someone has talked out of turn they will be sleeping with the fish soon.

One thing I am sure of, and I have checked very carefully, is that the thread babble about directorships and the so called "in the know" comments are complete bovine scatology. Any significant signs in the Coroprate world woud have been picked up a while ago.

These are extremely professional and private people - The longer this story drags on the less likely it will happen.

So my advice would be to sit back, have a cup of tea, maybe some digestives, and stop writing premature club obituaries you miserable bunch !!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: None of this sounds to me at all in keeping with either Cortese's commitment to the club and the project or the style of the Liebherr family - or indeed the wishes left by Marcus to which both parties are allied. I suspect it will get sorted to our satisfaction.[/p][/quote]I'm right with you Confucious. There are inconsistencies with these rumours compared with the formal announcements. Who is the source "close to the top of the club" ?? It is like Fort Knox in terms of leaks. If someone has talked out of turn they will be sleeping with the fish soon. One thing I am sure of, and I have checked very carefully, is that the thread babble about directorships and the so called "in the know" comments are complete bovine scatology. Any significant signs in the Coroprate world woud have been picked up a while ago. These are extremely professional and private people - The longer this story drags on the less likely it will happen. So my advice would be to sit back, have a cup of tea, maybe some digestives, and stop writing premature club obituaries you miserable bunch !! Alicesdad

3:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
None of this sounds to me at all in keeping with either Cortese's commitment to the club and the project or the style of the Liebherr family - or indeed the wishes left by Marcus to which both parties are allied. I suspect it will get sorted to our satisfaction.
I'm right with you Confucious. There are inconsistencies with these rumours compared with the formal announcements.

Who is the source "close to the top of the club" ?? It is like Fort Knox in terms of leaks. If someone has talked out of turn they will be sleeping with the fish soon.

One thing I am sure of, and I have checked very carefully, is that the thread babble about directorships and the so called "in the know" comments are complete bovine scatology. Any significant signs in the Coroprate world woud have been picked up a while ago.

These are extremely professional and private people - The longer this story drags on the less likely it will happen.

So my advice would be to sit back, have a cup of tea, maybe some digestives, and stop writing premature club obituaries you miserable bunch !!
Here here, none of it makes any sense or is in keeping with the owners or the chairmanship MO or personalities (private)

As previously stated , likely to be agents and spivs making noise to unsettle players they want....... At least that's my theory !
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: None of this sounds to me at all in keeping with either Cortese's commitment to the club and the project or the style of the Liebherr family - or indeed the wishes left by Marcus to which both parties are allied. I suspect it will get sorted to our satisfaction.[/p][/quote]I'm right with you Confucious. There are inconsistencies with these rumours compared with the formal announcements. Who is the source "close to the top of the club" ?? It is like Fort Knox in terms of leaks. If someone has talked out of turn they will be sleeping with the fish soon. One thing I am sure of, and I have checked very carefully, is that the thread babble about directorships and the so called "in the know" comments are complete bovine scatology. Any significant signs in the Coroprate world woud have been picked up a while ago. These are extremely professional and private people - The longer this story drags on the less likely it will happen. So my advice would be to sit back, have a cup of tea, maybe some digestives, and stop writing premature club obituaries you miserable bunch !![/p][/quote]Here here, none of it makes any sense or is in keeping with the owners or the chairmanship MO or personalities (private) As previously stated , likely to be agents and spivs making noise to unsettle players they want....... At least that's my theory ! ctsaint

3:53pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

St Retford wrote:
st1halo wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Botley wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.
We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game.

There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.
Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future.

STID
Precisely. Leverkusen have a smaller stadium than us and things aren't going too badly for them. TV and European money is WAY more important than ticket sales.
We have a 5 - 7 year gap in our fan base that will be rebuilt in the coming few years. When our decline started we inevitably lost momentum, kids born and raised in Soton would support Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool etc etc It only takes moderate success and an attractive style of play to win the next generation over and start growing the base again.
Porto won the champions league, they are relatively small.
We can compete, it takes time and continuity of direction , effort and results, like life and business.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.[/p][/quote]Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.[/p][/quote]We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game. There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.[/p][/quote]Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future. STID[/p][/quote]Precisely. Leverkusen have a smaller stadium than us and things aren't going too badly for them. TV and European money is WAY more important than ticket sales.[/p][/quote]We have a 5 - 7 year gap in our fan base that will be rebuilt in the coming few years. When our decline started we inevitably lost momentum, kids born and raised in Soton would support Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool etc etc It only takes moderate success and an attractive style of play to win the next generation over and start growing the base again. Porto won the champions league, they are relatively small. We can compete, it takes time and continuity of direction , effort and results, like life and business. ctsaint

3:54pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

Williepalms wrote:
First 26,000 through the gate are only funding the loan interest,
Players will have to continue to be sold .
You my friend are a clueless Pompey muppet. We haven't sold a player in years that we've wanted to keep. You need to concentrate your efforts on your own team because if you don't get out of League 2 soon (in the upward direction) you're money is going to run out and you won't even be able to pay ageing loanees without a club.
[quote][p][bold]Williepalms[/bold] wrote: First 26,000 through the gate are only funding the loan interest, Players will have to continue to be sold .[/p][/quote]You my friend are a clueless Pompey muppet. We haven't sold a player in years that we've wanted to keep. You need to concentrate your efforts on your own team because if you don't get out of League 2 soon (in the upward direction) you're money is going to run out and you won't even be able to pay ageing loanees without a club. SaintJD

3:59pm Wed 15 Jan 14

highanxiety says...

This seems to be all over the press. No sources are quoted or statements given. The story stinks of journalists just digging up old stuff. I for one am not convinced that there is any truth in it.
This seems to be all over the press. No sources are quoted or statements given. The story stinks of journalists just digging up old stuff. I for one am not convinced that there is any truth in it. highanxiety

3:59pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

ctsaint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ?
Are you yoda?
I don't think I said he was a businessman...I've just read back and no I didn't.
But he was the most loyal and has more warmth to him and affection for the club than cortèse. Given the choice, rather have had le'tiss at club over a choice between the 2... Loyalty paid back
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.[/p][/quote]A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ?[/p][/quote]Are you yoda? I don't think I said he was a businessman...I've just read back and no I didn't. But he was the most loyal and has more warmth to him and affection for the club than cortèse. Given the choice, rather have had le'tiss at club over a choice between the 2... Loyalty paid back ghk230473

4:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

stfrancisofbenali says...

ctsaint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ?
A great businessman does not (necessarily) a football chairman make.
[quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.[/p][/quote]A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ?[/p][/quote]A great businessman does not (necessarily) a football chairman make. stfrancisofbenali

4:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

The telegraph regurgitates last May's issues which centred around a simple contract renewal for NC.

It also rightly states that the Liebhhers paid £14m and converted £33m of loans (cost of promotions) to equity, so we are debt free.

Fulham sold for £150m, what does that make SFC worth.

The widely accepted view if "The southampton way" is youth development not external funding of over inflated transfer targets and wages.

In the context of all this, I am struggling to see what the disagreement could be about ?

Sell at a profit, there will be buyers.
Stay as you are, it's all going well.
Or **** things up for yourself as an owner or chairman by doing and saying what exactly ?
The telegraph regurgitates last May's issues which centred around a simple contract renewal for NC. It also rightly states that the Liebhhers paid £14m and converted £33m of loans (cost of promotions) to equity, so we are debt free. Fulham sold for £150m, what does that make SFC worth. The widely accepted view if "The southampton way" is youth development not external funding of over inflated transfer targets and wages. In the context of all this, I am struggling to see what the disagreement could be about ? Sell at a profit, there will be buyers. Stay as you are, it's all going well. Or **** things up for yourself as an owner or chairman by doing and saying what exactly ? ctsaint

4:05pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

Milk and no sugar in my tea thanks.

Any news today Echo?
Milk and no sugar in my tea thanks. Any news today Echo? Alicesdad

4:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

BracknellSaint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Katherine wants to sell!
Evidence?
This is interesting, although the source close to the club seems to being getting a bit confused with his or her facts today.

One thing is for certain, we are a very, very attractive proposition for any potential owner - established Premier League club, fantastic youth set up, potential for expansion of the ground, an amazing training facility, great management team from top to bottom.

Clearly though, if she does really want to sell, then a club with Nicola at the helm, MP in place and all the young talent still on our books has got to be the best way forward.
[quote][p][bold]BracknellSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Katherine wants to sell![/p][/quote]Evidence?[/p][/quote]This is interesting, although the source close to the club seems to being getting a bit confused with his or her facts today. One thing is for certain, we are a very, very attractive proposition for any potential owner - established Premier League club, fantastic youth set up, potential for expansion of the ground, an amazing training facility, great management team from top to bottom. Clearly though, if she does really want to sell, then a club with Nicola at the helm, MP in place and all the young talent still on our books has got to be the best way forward. SaintJD

4:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

stfrancisofbenali wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)
You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.
Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise?
I agree it's been fun but do you really think that Cortese shares the same passion and life-long commitment to Saints that we have? Money my friend is his motivation, not a love for the boys in the red (and white) shirts.
Now that I've had time to digest everything, I've come to the conclusion that NC will not be Saints' Chairman in the morning ...............






....................
.................. of 1 January 2099 - FACT!
[quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)[/p][/quote]You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.[/p][/quote]Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise?[/p][/quote]I agree it's been fun but do you really think that Cortese shares the same passion and life-long commitment to Saints that we have? Money my friend is his motivation, not a love for the boys in the red (and white) shirts.[/p][/quote]Now that I've had time to digest everything, I've come to the conclusion that NC will not be Saints' Chairman in the morning ............... .................... .................. of 1 January 2099 - FACT! Strasbourg Saint

4:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

F Fan says...

Latest Sky bit says Liebherr wants to sell now and Corteae does not. In that scenario, hope she sells to Cortese fronted purchaser.
Latest Sky bit says Liebherr wants to sell now and Corteae does not. In that scenario, hope she sells to Cortese fronted purchaser. F Fan

4:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

St Retford wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum.
Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number.
Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton.
I think Marshall is a very watchable actor; there's something innately likeable about him. I also think they've made it clear his character is going to be very different to Miller's (the fact he drinks rum rather than tea was a clear signal) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a romance on the cards between him and Martens.

Also, next week's show features an appearance from Michelle Ryan, aka Zoe Slater in 'Enders, who I have always had the utmost regard for as an actor (ie I definitely, definitely would) so, all things considered, I can't wait for the rest of the series.
And me. Great jugs.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum. Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number. Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton.[/p][/quote]I think Marshall is a very watchable actor; there's something innately likeable about him. I also think they've made it clear his character is going to be very different to Miller's (the fact he drinks rum rather than tea was a clear signal) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a romance on the cards between him and Martens. Also, next week's show features an appearance from Michelle Ryan, aka Zoe Slater in 'Enders, who I have always had the utmost regard for as an actor (ie I definitely, definitely would) so, all things considered, I can't wait for the rest of the series.[/p][/quote]And me. Great jugs. mack chinnon

4:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

mbetts says...

Typical Saints, the last decade+ has been a roller-coaster this is another huge turning point, hope we have a master plan, that doesn't involve fire sales and we can carry on as we're going, but as always with Saints who knows?
Typical Saints, the last decade+ has been a roller-coaster this is another huge turning point, hope we have a master plan, that doesn't involve fire sales and we can carry on as we're going, but as always with Saints who knows? mbetts

4:26pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

OS Headlines, Yeovil Tickets on sale tomorrow, that's good that they have got their priorities right.
OS Headlines, Yeovil Tickets on sale tomorrow, that's good that they have got their priorities right. OSPREYSAINT

4:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

mack chinnon wrote:
St Retford wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum.
Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number.
Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton.
I think Marshall is a very watchable actor; there's something innately likeable about him. I also think they've made it clear his character is going to be very different to Miller's (the fact he drinks rum rather than tea was a clear signal) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a romance on the cards between him and Martens.

Also, next week's show features an appearance from Michelle Ryan, aka Zoe Slater in 'Enders, who I have always had the utmost regard for as an actor (ie I definitely, definitely would) so, all things considered, I can't wait for the rest of the series.
And me. Great jugs.
The in expression is "nice headlights".
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum. Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number. Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton.[/p][/quote]I think Marshall is a very watchable actor; there's something innately likeable about him. I also think they've made it clear his character is going to be very different to Miller's (the fact he drinks rum rather than tea was a clear signal) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a romance on the cards between him and Martens. Also, next week's show features an appearance from Michelle Ryan, aka Zoe Slater in 'Enders, who I have always had the utmost regard for as an actor (ie I definitely, definitely would) so, all things considered, I can't wait for the rest of the series.[/p][/quote]And me. Great jugs.[/p][/quote]The in expression is "nice headlights". OSPREYSAINT

4:37pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Rank Xerox says...

I'm surprised nobody has blamed this sorry saga on Guly!!
I'm surprised nobody has blamed this sorry saga on Guly!! Rank Xerox

4:37pm Wed 15 Jan 14

St Retford says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
St Retford wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum.
Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number.
Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton.
I think Marshall is a very watchable actor; there's something innately likeable about him. I also think they've made it clear his character is going to be very different to Miller's (the fact he drinks rum rather than tea was a clear signal) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a romance on the cards between him and Martens.

Also, next week's show features an appearance from Michelle Ryan, aka Zoe Slater in 'Enders, who I have always had the utmost regard for as an actor (ie I definitely, definitely would) so, all things considered, I can't wait for the rest of the series.
And me. Great jugs.
The in expression is "nice headlights".
"Cracking tits".
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]Don't forget: Kris Marshall's wife had already dumped him over the telephone (all I can say is she sounded nice) so its not all a bed of Red Stripe and Rum. Worse still, looks like he's going to have to fight off the Sara Martens not very plain-clothes officer character on a daily basis. What with that, the free beachside accommodation shared with a beautiful green lizard, the wall to wall sunshine and the endless reggae classics, he's got a real tough number. Sort of job you he doesn't want to be too good at, or he'll be promoted to Crime Commisioner for Kingston or Traffic Supremo for Southampton.[/p][/quote]I think Marshall is a very watchable actor; there's something innately likeable about him. I also think they've made it clear his character is going to be very different to Miller's (the fact he drinks rum rather than tea was a clear signal) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a romance on the cards between him and Martens. Also, next week's show features an appearance from Michelle Ryan, aka Zoe Slater in 'Enders, who I have always had the utmost regard for as an actor (ie I definitely, definitely would) so, all things considered, I can't wait for the rest of the series.[/p][/quote]And me. Great jugs.[/p][/quote]The in expression is "nice headlights".[/p][/quote]"Cracking tits". St Retford

4:41pm Wed 15 Jan 14

saintmatt says...

It's BLINKMANSHIP !

Who is going to blink first ?

NC has all the aces,but KL has all the dosh !
Trouble is ,saints are between a rock and a hard place, and unless this is sorted out PDQ, trouble and strife is looming !
It's BLINKMANSHIP ! Who is going to blink first ? NC has all the aces,but KL has all the dosh ! Trouble is ,saints are between a rock and a hard place, and unless this is sorted out PDQ, trouble and strife is looming ! saintmatt

4:54pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Sir Alan Knight says...

Let the FireSale begin
Let the FireSale begin Sir Alan Knight

4:54pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

stfrancisofbenali wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ?
A great businessman does not (necessarily) a football chairman make.
That's also true I guess!
[quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.[/p][/quote]A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ?[/p][/quote]A great businessman does not (necessarily) a football chairman make.[/p][/quote]That's also true I guess! ctsaint

4:57pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Velleity says...

Rank Xerox wrote:
I'm surprised nobody has blamed this sorry saga on Guly!!
Whoops! Forgot my job in all the excitement..

I blame Guly.
[quote][p][bold]Rank Xerox[/bold] wrote: I'm surprised nobody has blamed this sorry saga on Guly!![/p][/quote]Whoops! Forgot my job in all the excitement.. I blame Guly. Velleity

4:57pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Dave Juson says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
The stadium, training ground and academy all in place before Nicola Cortese arrived! Really? Blow me! Well, you must really know your stuff to come out with in depth knowledge like that.
Actually, I am old enough to recall that Rupert Lowe and company were responsible for all that (a vast number of posters on this site are in denial, but that's the facts), but Marcus Liebherr and his estate have made a considerable investment in the Club at Nicola Cortese insitgation and they deserve our thanks.
As for Matty: I love him, and he probably has very good reason to loath Cortese, but since Gordon Strachan left St Mary's, Matty has failed to come out with a single syllable of useful advice.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.[/p][/quote]The stadium, training ground and academy all in place before Nicola Cortese arrived! Really? Blow me! Well, you must really know your stuff to come out with in depth knowledge like that. Actually, I am old enough to recall that Rupert Lowe and company were responsible for all that (a vast number of posters on this site are in denial, but that's the facts), but Marcus Liebherr and his estate have made a considerable investment in the Club at Nicola Cortese insitgation and they deserve our thanks. As for Matty: I love him, and he probably has very good reason to loath Cortese, but since Gordon Strachan left St Mary's, Matty has failed to come out with a single syllable of useful advice. Dave Juson

5:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Saint. says...

Would not be surprised if NC wants the next level for Saints, but Katharine and her advisers do not

NC will most likely takeover with someone like Dalian Wanda who did own the biggest main land club in China
Would not be surprised if NC wants the next level for Saints, but Katharine and her advisers do not NC will most likely takeover with someone like Dalian Wanda who did own the biggest main land club in China Saint.

5:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

ghk230473 wrote:
ctsaint wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ?
Are you yoda?
I don't think I said he was a businessman...I've just read back and no I didn't.
But he was the most loyal and has more warmth to him and affection for the club than cortèse. Given the choice, rather have had le'tiss at club over a choice between the 2... Loyalty paid back
Hmm strange decision you make. Talented feet and small wallet disaster might have brought. League one we would be , Coventry City or worse he would make us.

I love le tiss, as a footballer and pundit, I do think his reaction to his failed bid is as much sour grapes as NC insensitive handling of our past.

Loyalty in business (and football at this level, today, is business) can get u in trouble, hard choices often not popular .
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ctsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.[/p][/quote]A great footballer does not a businessman make! Are you retarded ?[/p][/quote]Are you yoda? I don't think I said he was a businessman...I've just read back and no I didn't. But he was the most loyal and has more warmth to him and affection for the club than cortèse. Given the choice, rather have had le'tiss at club over a choice between the 2... Loyalty paid back[/p][/quote]Hmm strange decision you make. Talented feet and small wallet disaster might have brought. League one we would be , Coventry City or worse he would make us. I love le tiss, as a footballer and pundit, I do think his reaction to his failed bid is as much sour grapes as NC insensitive handling of our past. Loyalty in business (and football at this level, today, is business) can get u in trouble, hard choices often not popular . ctsaint

5:02pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Velleity says...

Who knows what's going on? No-one posting on here and probably not 99% of the journalists rehashing the same seed story (wherever that might have started).

We'll find out in time. Have a cup of tea, talk to your family. Stay calm and wait for the future to arrive; no need to rush towards it.

If he goes, he goes. What happens then, nobody knows. And it's not worth the worry of trying to guess what might happen IF KL wants to sell AND NC leaves AND MP resigns AND Luke goes AND we get bought by GayMadMan AND...

Relax. There's nothing you can do.
Who knows what's going on? No-one posting on here and probably not 99% of the journalists rehashing the same seed story (wherever that might have started). We'll find out in time. Have a cup of tea, talk to your family. Stay calm and wait for the future to arrive; no need to rush towards it. If he goes, he goes. What happens then, nobody knows. And it's not worth the worry of trying to guess what might happen IF KL wants to sell AND NC leaves AND MP resigns AND Luke goes AND we get bought by GayMadMan AND... Relax. There's nothing you can do. Velleity

5:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

Is this the five minute panic or the full half hour. Whatever happens with ownership/chairmansh
ip/manager it is the club which is most important and which will remain after all this is blown over. The fact is the Liebherr family invested a little over £30mil to buy this club and we now have a squad conservatively worth £200mil. If the club is sold it will be to a billionaire. If any players leave it will be for huge money and replacements can be brought in. Despite what our scunt contributors would like to believe this club is now an extremely marketable commodity. The vision of any new owner/chairperson might be a little different but the future is assured.
Is this the five minute panic or the full half hour. Whatever happens with ownership/chairmansh ip/manager it is the club which is most important and which will remain after all this is blown over. The fact is the Liebherr family invested a little over £30mil to buy this club and we now have a squad conservatively worth £200mil. If the club is sold it will be to a billionaire. If any players leave it will be for huge money and replacements can be brought in. Despite what our scunt contributors would like to believe this club is now an extremely marketable commodity. The vision of any new owner/chairperson might be a little different but the future is assured. Clever Dick

5:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ctsaint says...

Dave Juson wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
The stadium, training ground and academy all in place before Nicola Cortese arrived! Really? Blow me! Well, you must really know your stuff to come out with in depth knowledge like that.
Actually, I am old enough to recall that Rupert Lowe and company were responsible for all that (a vast number of posters on this site are in denial, but that's the facts), but Marcus Liebherr and his estate have made a considerable investment in the Club at Nicola Cortese insitgation and they deserve our thanks.
As for Matty: I love him, and he probably has very good reason to loath Cortese, but since Gordon Strachan left St Mary's, Matty has failed to come out with a single syllable of useful advice.
Here here , well said!
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.[/p][/quote]The stadium, training ground and academy all in place before Nicola Cortese arrived! Really? Blow me! Well, you must really know your stuff to come out with in depth knowledge like that. Actually, I am old enough to recall that Rupert Lowe and company were responsible for all that (a vast number of posters on this site are in denial, but that's the facts), but Marcus Liebherr and his estate have made a considerable investment in the Club at Nicola Cortese insitgation and they deserve our thanks. As for Matty: I love him, and he probably has very good reason to loath Cortese, but since Gordon Strachan left St Mary's, Matty has failed to come out with a single syllable of useful advice.[/p][/quote]Here here , well said! ctsaint

5:05pm Wed 15 Jan 14

WobblyCat says...

St Retford wrote:
Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller.

The point being: don't fear change.
I’m more of a Silent Witness man myself and quite frankly Emilia Fox is much hotter than Amanda Burton so I agree Sainty. Though I wouldn’t turn Amanda down either. The point being: I’d do both of them (and the change thing).

Also, the passing of Markus was very sad and became more poignant from a football point of view as time went on. I remember his beaming face when we won the Johnstone Trophy (a great day out), imagine what the subsequent achievements would have meant to him. I also remember thinking what does it mean for the club and will it ever be as stable. I’ve since heard so many stories about this and that and if the Liebherrs pull out NC knows another half dozen mega rich investors waiting in the wings blah blah blah. Speculate if it gives you comfort but we won’t know what is going on at the club until we are told what is going on at the club. (Unless the seedmeister knows a thing or two)!

Also, I always thought it was a bit strange when MP said ‘if he goes I go’. Sounds like he has a job for life!

Whatever happens in the coming months I feel it won’t be too damaging, ie. We won’t be on the brink of non league football in three years time.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Relax, everyone. Did anyone see last night's Death In Paradise? They pulled a masterstroke of killing off Ben Miller's character - who has played the lead detective in past two series - within the opening five minutes and then replaced him with the bumbling Kris Marshall. People were wary of change, but you know what? They learned to respect him as a detective and I think Marshall is actually better in the role than Miller. The point being: don't fear change.[/p][/quote]I’m more of a Silent Witness man myself and quite frankly Emilia Fox is much hotter than Amanda Burton so I agree Sainty. Though I wouldn’t turn Amanda down either. The point being: I’d do both of them (and the change thing). Also, the passing of Markus was very sad and became more poignant from a football point of view as time went on. I remember his beaming face when we won the Johnstone Trophy (a great day out), imagine what the subsequent achievements would have meant to him. I also remember thinking what does it mean for the club and will it ever be as stable. I’ve since heard so many stories about this and that and if the Liebherrs pull out NC knows another half dozen mega rich investors waiting in the wings blah blah blah. Speculate if it gives you comfort but we won’t know what is going on at the club until we are told what is going on at the club. (Unless the seedmeister knows a thing or two)! Also, I always thought it was a bit strange when MP said ‘if he goes I go’. Sounds like he has a job for life! Whatever happens in the coming months I feel it won’t be too damaging, ie. We won’t be on the brink of non league football in three years time. WobblyCat

5:07pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Velleity says...

A liebherr factory in MK is on fire as we type:
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RESIDENTS have been advised to keep their doors and windows shut due to a major fire at a warehouse in Newport Pagnell.
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MKWeb understands that the warehouse is the Liebherr factory, which contains more than 700 fridges in cardboard boxes.
Read more: http://www.mkweb.co.
uk/News/BREAKING-Maj
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Is this an alternative response from NC to the traditional horse's head?
A liebherr factory in MK is on fire as we type: ------ RESIDENTS have been advised to keep their doors and windows shut due to a major fire at a warehouse in Newport Pagnell. ... MKWeb understands that the warehouse is the Liebherr factory, which contains more than 700 fridges in cardboard boxes. Read more: http://www.mkweb.co. uk/News/BREAKING-Maj or-fire-in-Newport-P agnell-2014011514004 8.htm#ixzz2qUIaKr1k ------ Is this an alternative response from NC to the traditional horse's head? Velleity

5:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Alicesdad says...

stfrancisofbenali wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)
You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.
Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise?
I agree it's been fun but do you really think that Cortese shares the same passion and life-long commitment to Saints that we have? Money my friend is his motivation, not a love for the boys in the red (and white) shirts.
Its amazing how many people use the word "sociopath" since the BBC has been transmitting the new Sherlock series .. Sherlock is a high functioning sociopath by the way .. you should google it as I can't be bothered to explain it to you.

You however are a gullible,ill informed, rabble rousing, pedant who somehow thinks that being good with a football on a pitch makes someone a business man.

As Mr T used to say ...Shut Up Fool !
[quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)[/p][/quote]You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.[/p][/quote]Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise?[/p][/quote]I agree it's been fun but do you really think that Cortese shares the same passion and life-long commitment to Saints that we have? Money my friend is his motivation, not a love for the boys in the red (and white) shirts.[/p][/quote]Its amazing how many people use the word "sociopath" since the BBC has been transmitting the new Sherlock series .. Sherlock is a high functioning sociopath by the way .. you should google it as I can't be bothered to explain it to you. You however are a gullible,ill informed, rabble rousing, pedant who somehow thinks that being good with a football on a pitch makes someone a business man. As Mr T used to say ...Shut Up Fool ! Alicesdad

5:15pm Wed 15 Jan 14

george chivers says...

St Retford wrote:
st1halo wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Botley wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.
We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game.

There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.
Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future.

STID
Precisely. Leverkusen have a smaller stadium than us and things aren't going too badly for them. TV and European money is WAY more important than ticket sales.
Where do the funds for the players come from to get us to Champions League standard. This year we had a great start with our best side playing teams outside the top 4. Then when injuries and suspensions came along we didn't have the squad players to deliver the continuity in terms of the results. If we had an owner who was willing to pay silly money to fund the squad they couldn't, because all clubs have operate within FIFA financial guide lines.

So how do we get the players in if we don't have enormous gate receipts. The rules mitigate in favour of clubs with large stadiums and the support that goes with those stadiums.

You have to be realistic. Barring the fluke of having a one off great season and qualifying for The Champions League we are not the right size to be in the top four on a regular basis. If we did get there the best players would just transfer out because we couldn't compete with wages.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.[/p][/quote]Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.[/p][/quote]We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game. There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.[/p][/quote]Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future. STID[/p][/quote]Precisely. Leverkusen have a smaller stadium than us and things aren't going too badly for them. TV and European money is WAY more important than ticket sales.[/p][/quote]Where do the funds for the players come from to get us to Champions League standard. This year we had a great start with our best side playing teams outside the top 4. Then when injuries and suspensions came along we didn't have the squad players to deliver the continuity in terms of the results. If we had an owner who was willing to pay silly money to fund the squad they couldn't, because all clubs have operate within FIFA financial guide lines. So how do we get the players in if we don't have enormous gate receipts. The rules mitigate in favour of clubs with large stadiums and the support that goes with those stadiums. You have to be realistic. Barring the fluke of having a one off great season and qualifying for The Champions League we are not the right size to be in the top four on a regular basis. If we did get there the best players would just transfer out because we couldn't compete with wages. george chivers

5:16pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Velleity says...

Where's Tebourba when you need him?
Where's Tebourba when you need him? Velleity

5:16pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Breaking news. I've just driven past SMS and it is still there. Phew!

What will be will be.....we have a superb Club with...or without our chairman. Naturally...I would prefer NC to continue at the helm, but recognise that change happens in the modern world.

Stay calm

Support the Saints

COYR
Breaking news. I've just driven past SMS and it is still there. Phew! What will be will be.....we have a superb Club with...or without our chairman. Naturally...I would prefer NC to continue at the helm, but recognise that change happens in the modern world. Stay calm Support the Saints COYR Baddesley Bill

5:17pm Wed 15 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

Look SAINTS fan you will get your red striped shirts back I even miss them ! you will get back the missing fans due to cortese attitude and of sacking nigel Adkins
Look SAINTS fan you will get your red striped shirts back I even miss them ! you will get back the missing fans due to cortese attitude and of sacking nigel Adkins bluewhiteandred

5:18pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

Sir Alan Knight wrote:
Let the FireSale begin
Is my memory going or were our little Pompey friends getting all exciting around the same time last year.

Things seemed to work out quite well for us I think you'll find and, 12 months on, we've had 365 straight days of bragging rights.

Expect this to continue for at least another decade and then let's re-evaluate if you are still in existence.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Alan Knight[/bold] wrote: Let the FireSale begin[/p][/quote]Is my memory going or were our little Pompey friends getting all exciting around the same time last year. Things seemed to work out quite well for us I think you'll find and, 12 months on, we've had 365 straight days of bragging rights. Expect this to continue for at least another decade and then let's re-evaluate if you are still in existence. SaintJD

5:21pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

Dave Juson wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Dave Juson wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons.
The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club.
Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.
I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.
The stadium, training ground and academy all in place before Nicola Cortese arrived! Really? Blow me! Well, you must really know your stuff to come out with in depth knowledge like that.
Actually, I am old enough to recall that Rupert Lowe and company were responsible for all that (a vast number of posters on this site are in denial, but that's the facts), but Marcus Liebherr and his estate have made a considerable investment in the Club at Nicola Cortese insitgation and they deserve our thanks.
As for Matty: I love him, and he probably has very good reason to loath Cortese, but since Gordon Strachan left St Mary's, Matty has failed to come out with a single syllable of useful advice.
What is your point apart from not being impressed with le tisses puditary?!
[quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dave Juson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]An unworthy and ill informed opinion. Do look at the investment made in the infrastructure of Southampton FC over the past five seasons. The fact that Cortese does not have any time for those who ran and supported those who ran the Saints into the maw of Barclays Bank in between July and December 2006 doesn’t mean he is a sociopath, just somewhat intolerant of the failures and cronies of the failures who continue to tell him how to run the Club. Fair’s fair, he doesn’t stop them buying tickets to games. I’d be tempted.[/p][/quote]I think you'll find the accademy, training ground and stadium was all in place before his tenure. I'd chose le'tiss over cortèse any day, his loyalty and memories given worth that.[/p][/quote]The stadium, training ground and academy all in place before Nicola Cortese arrived! Really? Blow me! Well, you must really know your stuff to come out with in depth knowledge like that. Actually, I am old enough to recall that Rupert Lowe and company were responsible for all that (a vast number of posters on this site are in denial, but that's the facts), but Marcus Liebherr and his estate have made a considerable investment in the Club at Nicola Cortese insitgation and they deserve our thanks. As for Matty: I love him, and he probably has very good reason to loath Cortese, but since Gordon Strachan left St Mary's, Matty has failed to come out with a single syllable of useful advice.[/p][/quote]What is your point apart from not being impressed with le tisses puditary?! ghk230473

5:22pm Wed 15 Jan 14

S Pance says...

IMHO, Mali holdings is in a bit of financial trouble, some sub-divisions have already gone into liquidation.

Ms Leibherr therefore wishes to sell Saints and use the profit to shore up the remaining, struggling parts of the Group.

From her point of view it'd be stupid to continue to plough more money into Saints whilst every other part of the Empire her Daddy built continues to crumble.

Obviously, Cortese doesn't care too much about the other Leibherr companies, Saints is "his baby" after all, so disagrees with this approach.

I suspect if Saints had been sold earlier in the year when the idea was first proposed then Mali holdings would still be intact and the sub divisions wouldn't have been liquidated. I'm sure Ms Leibherr is annoyed at not being given the opportunity to try and save these companies.

The risk we run is if Saints continues under Leibherr ownership and Mali goes to the wall, then Saints could be broken up and sold off to recover some of the money that's be owing (Remember Pompey, anyone?)

At the end of the day the best outcome would be that Saints are sold NOW to a friend of Cortese, before everything is lost.

The above is only my gut feeling, though.
IMHO, Mali holdings is in a bit of financial trouble, some sub-divisions have already gone into liquidation. Ms Leibherr therefore wishes to sell Saints and use the profit to shore up the remaining, struggling parts of the Group. From her point of view it'd be stupid to continue to plough more money into Saints whilst every other part of the Empire her Daddy built continues to crumble. Obviously, Cortese doesn't care too much about the other Leibherr companies, Saints is "his baby" after all, so disagrees with this approach. I suspect if Saints had been sold earlier in the year when the idea was first proposed then Mali holdings would still be intact and the sub divisions wouldn't have been liquidated. I'm sure Ms Leibherr is annoyed at not being given the opportunity to try and save these companies. The risk we run is if Saints continues under Leibherr ownership and Mali goes to the wall, then Saints could be broken up and sold off to recover some of the money that's be owing (Remember Pompey, anyone?) At the end of the day the best outcome would be that Saints are sold NOW to a friend of Cortese, before everything is lost. The above is only my gut feeling, though. S Pance

5:23pm Wed 15 Jan 14

WobblyCat says...

Alicesdad wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
batesieboy wrote:
stfrancisofbenali wrote:
Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.
My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)
You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.
Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise?
I agree it's been fun but do you really think that Cortese shares the same passion and life-long commitment to Saints that we have? Money my friend is his motivation, not a love for the boys in the red (and white) shirts.
Its amazing how many people use the word "sociopath" since the BBC has been transmitting the new Sherlock series .. Sherlock is a high functioning sociopath by the way .. you should google it as I can't be bothered to explain it to you.

You however are a gullible,ill informed, rabble rousing, pedant who somehow thinks that being good with a football on a pitch makes someone a business man.

As Mr T used to say ...Shut Up Fool !
I had to google sociopath to be completely sure what it meant! A respected dictionary says 'a person who is completely unable or unwilling to behave in a way that is acceptable to society'. I have a few issues with NC's style but you can't deny the good he has done and he is in no way a sociopath. Do you know that if you misspell sociopath one of the suggested alternatives is cyclepath!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfrancisofbenali[/bold] wrote: Cortese is a sociopath who has no personal skills or empathy and was only ever in it for himself. Yes he has brought success but through a dictatorship and with no understanding or sensitivity for the clubs history or personality. He's a ruthless, untrustworthy banker who'll be off to pastures new without a backward glance and anyone who thought that he worked for the past 4 years all for the good of Southampton FC are deluded. Our success is a by-product of his ambition. The only people who have Saints' best interests at heart long-term are the fans and ex-players like Le Tiss who were vilified for standing up to NC.[/p][/quote]My God look who Le Tissier wanted to land us with!!! You mate, are a Muppet Who Loves the PAST. You should be a Skate you love history so much. (Or are you in fact just a Skate?)[/p][/quote]You are understandably angry because you believed a Swiss- Italian businessman when he told you he loved our club and that he was in it for the long haul. If everyone is honest with themselves it is money that motivated Cortese and not a burning passion for a club on the south-coast of England with which he had no previous links.[/p][/quote]Hasn't does us a lot of harm though, all good things come to an end, nothing lasts for ever, are you really not The Borer in disguise?[/p][/quote]I agree it's been fun but do you really think that Cortese shares the same passion and life-long commitment to Saints that we have? Money my friend is his motivation, not a love for the boys in the red (and white) shirts.[/p][/quote]Its amazing how many people use the word "sociopath" since the BBC has been transmitting the new Sherlock series .. Sherlock is a high functioning sociopath by the way .. you should google it as I can't be bothered to explain it to you. You however are a gullible,ill informed, rabble rousing, pedant who somehow thinks that being good with a football on a pitch makes someone a business man. As Mr T used to say ...Shut Up Fool ![/p][/quote]I had to google sociopath to be completely sure what it meant! A respected dictionary says 'a person who is completely unable or unwilling to behave in a way that is acceptable to society'. I have a few issues with NC's style but you can't deny the good he has done and he is in no way a sociopath. Do you know that if you misspell sociopath one of the suggested alternatives is cyclepath! WobblyCat

5:25pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

bluewhiteandred wrote:
Look SAINTS fan you will get your red striped shirts back I even miss them ! you will get back the missing fans due to cortese attitude and of sacking nigel Adkins
Wow - you're a point of the relegation zone. I knew it wasn't going well but to be perfectly honest I'd not checked the table for a few weeks because you have to click the drop down menu and scroll down on the BBC website.
[quote][p][bold]bluewhiteandred[/bold] wrote: Look SAINTS fan you will get your red striped shirts back I even miss them ! you will get back the missing fans due to cortese attitude and of sacking nigel Adkins[/p][/quote]Wow - you're a point of the relegation zone. I knew it wasn't going well but to be perfectly honest I'd not checked the table for a few weeks because you have to click the drop down menu and scroll down on the BBC website. SaintJD

5:26pm Wed 15 Jan 14

S Pance says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Is this the five minute panic or the full half hour. Whatever happens with ownership/chairmansh

ip/manager it is the club which is most important and which will remain after all this is blown over. The fact is the Liebherr family invested a little over £30mil to buy this club and we now have a squad conservatively worth £200mil. If the club is sold it will be to a billionaire. If any players leave it will be for huge money and replacements can be brought in. Despite what our scunt contributors would like to believe this club is now an extremely marketable commodity. The vision of any new owner/chairperson might be a little different but the future is assured.
£30 million plus a further £75 million invested. I'd heard the club was valued at £120-£150 million. Still a nice profit and I suspect Katarina wants to cash in her chips to invest in what remains of Mali.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Is this the five minute panic or the full half hour. Whatever happens with ownership/chairmansh ip/manager it is the club which is most important and which will remain after all this is blown over. The fact is the Liebherr family invested a little over £30mil to buy this club and we now have a squad conservatively worth £200mil. If the club is sold it will be to a billionaire. If any players leave it will be for huge money and replacements can be brought in. Despite what our scunt contributors would like to believe this club is now an extremely marketable commodity. The vision of any new owner/chairperson might be a little different but the future is assured.[/p][/quote]£30 million plus a further £75 million invested. I'd heard the club was valued at £120-£150 million. Still a nice profit and I suspect Katarina wants to cash in her chips to invest in what remains of Mali. S Pance

5:27pm Wed 15 Jan 14

fleajuice28 says...

he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.
he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago. fleajuice28

5:30pm Wed 15 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Velleity wrote:
Who knows what's going on? No-one posting on here and probably not 99% of the journalists rehashing the same seed story (wherever that might have started).

We'll find out in time. Have a cup of tea, talk to your family. Stay calm and wait for the future to arrive; no need to rush towards it.

If he goes, he goes. What happens then, nobody knows. And it's not worth the worry of trying to guess what might happen IF KL wants to sell AND NC leaves AND MP resigns AND Luke goes AND we get bought by GayMadMan AND...

Relax. There's nothing you can do.
well if seedhouse started this story I think he has some questions to answer, come on seed what do you know?
can I have a cup of tea and talk to your family vell? don't want to talk to mine anymore than I have to!

I do wonder why so many people turn up for stories like this, and think they know everything about the club and the inner thoughts of both KL and NC. yet they never turn up when we win games.
I am very surprised that we haven't seen the return of thebooooooooooorer yet. it must be wetting its knickers at the thought of NC leaving. having said that I really love reading all the fishes comments. typical stuff, well except for the link between an irish workers dispute and the current rumours about our club, absolute classic straw clutching from the sad little bottom feeder.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: Who knows what's going on? No-one posting on here and probably not 99% of the journalists rehashing the same seed story (wherever that might have started). We'll find out in time. Have a cup of tea, talk to your family. Stay calm and wait for the future to arrive; no need to rush towards it. If he goes, he goes. What happens then, nobody knows. And it's not worth the worry of trying to guess what might happen IF KL wants to sell AND NC leaves AND MP resigns AND Luke goes AND we get bought by GayMadMan AND... Relax. There's nothing you can do.[/p][/quote]well if seedhouse started this story I think he has some questions to answer, come on seed what do you know? can I have a cup of tea and talk to your family vell? don't want to talk to mine anymore than I have to! I do wonder why so many people turn up for stories like this, and think they know everything about the club and the inner thoughts of both KL and NC. yet they never turn up when we win games. I am very surprised that we haven't seen the return of thebooooooooooorer yet. it must be wetting its knickers at the thought of NC leaving. having said that I really love reading all the fishes comments. typical stuff, well except for the link between an irish workers dispute and the current rumours about our club, absolute classic straw clutching from the sad little bottom feeder. el caballo santos101

5:34pm Wed 15 Jan 14

bigfella777 says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year....
I think you may need to check the accounts properly.
They owe 32 million. Google DMWSL 613, that's the company that holds SFC.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bitterne Park Tim[/bold] wrote: Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year....[/p][/quote]I think you may need to check the accounts properly.[/p][/quote]They owe 32 million. Google DMWSL 613, that's the company that holds SFC. bigfella777

5:37pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

fleajuice28 wrote:
he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.
Who has?
[quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.[/p][/quote]Who has? OSPREYSAINT

5:38pm Wed 15 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

bigfella777 wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Bitterne Park Tim wrote:
Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year....
I think you may need to check the accounts properly.
They owe 32 million. Google DMWSL 613, that's the company that holds SFC.
To put that into context, it's about the amount Chelsea lost last season.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bitterne Park Tim[/bold] wrote: Saints are 60 million in debt.... The family money stopped being pumped in oat year....[/p][/quote]I think you may need to check the accounts properly.[/p][/quote]They owe 32 million. Google DMWSL 613, that's the company that holds SFC.[/p][/quote]To put that into context, it's about the amount Chelsea lost last season. SaintJD

5:44pm Wed 15 Jan 14

apm1954 says...

can i smell fish, dont worry about us have a look at your position in division 2,one point from non league football ha ha ha , what a shame .
can i smell fish, dont worry about us have a look at your position in division 2,one point from non league football ha ha ha , what a shame . apm1954

5:45pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Is it me....or have some new posters joined the debate on the Echo Saints thread today?

Evenin skunts! :O)
Is it me....or have some new posters joined the debate on the Echo Saints thread today? Evenin skunts! :O) Baddesley Bill

5:48pm Wed 15 Jan 14

fleajuice28 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
fleajuice28 wrote:
he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.
Who has?
Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.[/p][/quote]Who has?[/p][/quote]Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club. fleajuice28

6:01pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Confucious says...

Three points at Sunderland on Saturday. Cortese in the stand - and all is well with the world.
Three points at Sunderland on Saturday. Cortese in the stand - and all is well with the world. Confucious

6:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Confucious says...

Skates on here seem to be able to paint an unusually vivid picture of oblivion. But hey, fair dos, they are the experts.
Skates on here seem to be able to paint an unusually vivid picture of oblivion. But hey, fair dos, they are the experts. Confucious

6:06pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

fleajuice28 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
fleajuice28 wrote:
he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.
Who has?
Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club.
Is the source as reliable as your spelling?
[quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.[/p][/quote]Who has?[/p][/quote]Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club.[/p][/quote]Is the source as reliable as your spelling? OSPREYSAINT

6:12pm Wed 15 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

Proof woman and football don't mix... Just look at the hammers!!
Proof woman and football don't mix... Just look at the hammers!! ghk230473

6:18pm Wed 15 Jan 14

MccSaint says...

I heard he has left to pursue other interests, from a source near the bottom. With that interest being the new landlord of the Bitterne Park Hotel!
I heard he has left to pursue other interests, from a source near the bottom. With that interest being the new landlord of the Bitterne Park Hotel! MccSaint

6:19pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Velleity says...

fleajuice28 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
fleajuice28 wrote:
he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.
Who has?
Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club.
Says someone who has never before posted on this site. Odd.
[quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.[/p][/quote]Who has?[/p][/quote]Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club.[/p][/quote]Says someone who has never before posted on this site. Odd. Velleity

6:22pm Wed 15 Jan 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

If Cortese leaves it will feel like someone has died at the club. He has been the heart beat of everything good at the club since we were saved from the brink of extinction.

I feel sorry for Marcus because this will unfortunately bring a bad name onto his family and he was the one who made Cortese's vision a reality. Why anyone would want to question Nicola's plans for the club. He has already turned a small investment into £100m. With Fulham selling not long ago for £150m there is definitely more to be made from the club.

The upwards potentials can be huge if the club makes it to European football whilst developing the next crop of youngsters with the very best in coaching and allowing the pathway to be cleared for them into the first team.

If an extra £100m is not of much interest to the Liebher family now and they are just looking at safeguarding that money then they should sell. If Saints do not continue the plan set by Cortese now then we will be back to where we started as a club with some good young players that every other top club will try and buy and we will won't get the benefit ourselves because we will be seen as a soft touch.
If Cortese leaves it will feel like someone has died at the club. He has been the heart beat of everything good at the club since we were saved from the brink of extinction. I feel sorry for Marcus because this will unfortunately bring a bad name onto his family and he was the one who made Cortese's vision a reality. Why anyone would want to question Nicola's plans for the club. He has already turned a small investment into £100m. With Fulham selling not long ago for £150m there is definitely more to be made from the club. The upwards potentials can be huge if the club makes it to European football whilst developing the next crop of youngsters with the very best in coaching and allowing the pathway to be cleared for them into the first team. If an extra £100m is not of much interest to the Liebher family now and they are just looking at safeguarding that money then they should sell. If Saints do not continue the plan set by Cortese now then we will be back to where we started as a club with some good young players that every other top club will try and buy and we will won't get the benefit ourselves because we will be seen as a soft touch. allsaintsnocurves

6:29pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Velleity says...

BBC: Katharina Liebherr to take over from Cortese.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/25
752833
BBC: Katharina Liebherr to take over from Cortese. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 752833 Velleity

6:35pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Brusher Mills says...

Velleity wrote:
BBC: Katharina Liebherr to take over from Cortese.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/25

752833
It also says she wants an immediate sale why not let cortese have his contacts come in.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: BBC: Katharina Liebherr to take over from Cortese. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 752833[/p][/quote]It also says she wants an immediate sale why not let cortese have his contacts come in. Brusher Mills

6:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Velleity wrote:
BBC: Katharina Liebherr to take over from Cortese.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/25

752833
If true (as would seem likely now), then NC has been working off notice and our Club is up for sale. Wouldn't be totally surprised if they have a buyer waiting in the wings already.

Poch is the key to any kind of short term stability. Could be an interesting press conference tomorrow!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: BBC: Katharina Liebherr to take over from Cortese. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 752833[/p][/quote]If true (as would seem likely now), then NC has been working off notice and our Club is up for sale. Wouldn't be totally surprised if they have a buyer waiting in the wings already. Poch is the key to any kind of short term stability. Could be an interesting press conference tomorrow! Baddesley Bill

6:40pm Wed 15 Jan 14

saint robbie says...

Saint. wrote:
Would not be surprised if NC wants the next level for Saints, but Katharine and her advisers do not

NC will most likely takeover with someone like Dalian Wanda who did own the biggest main land club in China
Bang on, i recently worked for Mr Cortese (last summer) and at the time he informed me of the plan to extend the stadium, reach the Champions League, have the best academy in Europe etc. It was also mentioned that he didnt think others were quite so optimistic including fans (which lets be honest, did/do we believe it? )
For the record, I was initially aprehensive about working for him (after the rumours you here) however soon learned that if you provide and do exactly what you've been asked to, he is a very nice man.
I for one will be sad to see him go and will definately be concerned for the future of SFC without him at the helm.
A top bloke in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Saint.[/bold] wrote: Would not be surprised if NC wants the next level for Saints, but Katharine and her advisers do not NC will most likely takeover with someone like Dalian Wanda who did own the biggest main land club in China[/p][/quote]Bang on, i recently worked for Mr Cortese (last summer) and at the time he informed me of the plan to extend the stadium, reach the Champions League, have the best academy in Europe etc. It was also mentioned that he didnt think others were quite so optimistic including fans (which lets be honest, did/do we believe it? ) For the record, I was initially aprehensive about working for him (after the rumours you here) however soon learned that if you provide and do exactly what you've been asked to, he is a very nice man. I for one will be sad to see him go and will definately be concerned for the future of SFC without him at the helm. A top bloke in my opinion. saint robbie

6:46pm Wed 15 Jan 14

mack chinnon says...

Calm down fellow Saint's we're still going to win the F.A. cup this year.
Calm down fellow Saint's we're still going to win the F.A. cup this year. mack chinnon

6:47pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

fleajuice28 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
fleajuice28 wrote:
he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.
Who has?
Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club.
Well you were close to the truth but not quite right.
[quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.[/p][/quote]Who has?[/p][/quote]Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club.[/p][/quote]Well you were close to the truth but not quite right. OSPREYSAINT

6:50pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Saint Botley says...

Brusher Mills wrote:
Velleity wrote:
BBC: Katharina Liebherr to take over from Cortese.

http://www.bbc.co.uk


/sport/0/football/25


752833
It also says she wants an immediate sale why not let cortese have his contacts come in.
Darn right.
[quote][p][bold]Brusher Mills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: BBC: Katharina Liebherr to take over from Cortese. http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 752833[/p][/quote]It also says she wants an immediate sale why not let cortese have his contacts come in.[/p][/quote]Darn right. Saint Botley

6:58pm Wed 15 Jan 14

THE12THMAN says...

Sir Alan Knight wrote:
Let the FireSale begin
Are you selling a fire? only i am after one for my new house.
[quote][p][bold]Sir Alan Knight[/bold] wrote: Let the FireSale begin[/p][/quote]Are you selling a fire? only i am after one for my new house. THE12THMAN

6:59pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BracknellSaint says...

What's to say that his alleged( which is all it is until we get official statements) resignation is not to allow him to join with whatever 3rd party is now looking to buy the club?
What's to say that his alleged( which is all it is until we get official statements) resignation is not to allow him to join with whatever 3rd party is now looking to buy the club? BracknellSaint

7:00pm Wed 15 Jan 14

03alpe01 says...

Gone.
Gone. 03alpe01

7:09pm Wed 15 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

S Pance wrote:
Clever Dick wrote:
Is this the five minute panic or the full half hour. Whatever happens with ownership/chairmansh


ip/manager it is the club which is most important and which will remain after all this is blown over. The fact is the Liebherr family invested a little over £30mil to buy this club and we now have a squad conservatively worth £200mil. If the club is sold it will be to a billionaire. If any players leave it will be for huge money and replacements can be brought in. Despite what our scunt contributors would like to believe this club is now an extremely marketable commodity. The vision of any new owner/chairperson might be a little different but the future is assured.
£30 million plus a further £75 million invested. I'd heard the club was valued at £120-£150 million. Still a nice profit and I suspect Katarina wants to cash in her chips to invest in what remains of Mali.
Well it's open to debate but with a £200 million squad, a premier league stadium , a state of the art practice ground and academy, future SKY payments etc etc £300 million is much nearer the mark than £150 million. It's not ben a bad investment for the Liebherr family when you consider we now have one player reportedly worth what they paid for the wole club.
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Is this the five minute panic or the full half hour. Whatever happens with ownership/chairmansh ip/manager it is the club which is most important and which will remain after all this is blown over. The fact is the Liebherr family invested a little over £30mil to buy this club and we now have a squad conservatively worth £200mil. If the club is sold it will be to a billionaire. If any players leave it will be for huge money and replacements can be brought in. Despite what our scunt contributors would like to believe this club is now an extremely marketable commodity. The vision of any new owner/chairperson might be a little different but the future is assured.[/p][/quote]£30 million plus a further £75 million invested. I'd heard the club was valued at £120-£150 million. Still a nice profit and I suspect Katarina wants to cash in her chips to invest in what remains of Mali.[/p][/quote]Well it's open to debate but with a £200 million squad, a premier league stadium , a state of the art practice ground and academy, future SKY payments etc etc £300 million is much nearer the mark than £150 million. It's not ben a bad investment for the Liebherr family when you consider we now have one player reportedly worth what they paid for the wole club. Clever Dick

7:10pm Wed 15 Jan 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Kat says business as usual. Well maybe.
Kat says business as usual. Well maybe. OSPREYSAINT

7:14pm Wed 15 Jan 14

st1halo says...

george chivers wrote:
St Retford wrote:
st1halo wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Saint Botley wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1.

She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.
Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.
Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.
We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game.

There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.
Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future.

STID
Precisely. Leverkusen have a smaller stadium than us and things aren't going too badly for them. TV and European money is WAY more important than ticket sales.
Where do the funds for the players come from to get us to Champions League standard. This year we had a great start with our best side playing teams outside the top 4. Then when injuries and suspensions came along we didn't have the squad players to deliver the continuity in terms of the results. If we had an owner who was willing to pay silly money to fund the squad they couldn't, because all clubs have operate within FIFA financial guide lines.

So how do we get the players in if we don't have enormous gate receipts. The rules mitigate in favour of clubs with large stadiums and the support that goes with those stadiums.

You have to be realistic. Barring the fluke of having a one off great season and qualifying for The Champions League we are not the right size to be in the top four on a regular basis. If we did get there the best players would just transfer out because we couldn't compete with wages.
If what you're saying is true then Newcastle would be playing CL football every year and Aston Villa, West Ham and Sunderland will be there long before us.
Using our lack of depth this season as an example is a bit pointless, it's our second season back, we are still work in progress. Our profile has risen this season and will rise in future, bringing more tv, sponsorship and advertising revenue.
The FFP rules apply to finance, not attendances. The big clubs have had the advantage of running up huge losses with impunity but going forward that will change and clubs will learn to maximise their income. Spurs only average 6k in the ground more than us, will they never compete for CL?
The Sky money already outweighs the season's takings for us on the gate, worldwide media and exposure is the key to future success.
What you are saying is CL football is dependant on large attendances, I think it's the other way round. I think if we can continue to grow, particularly with the brand of football we play, we will achieve success and attract a large fanbase as we go.

STID
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Botley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: KL is in danger of damaging the value of her asset. Like it or not NC has been the drive behind this amazing show - Markus passed on when we were still in Div1. She doesn't come to matches so probably isn't that interested. Either back your CEO or ask him to find you a buyer. Do not fall between two stools.[/p][/quote]Good. KL is the one who holds the real power not NC. But if a big club in Italy wanted him why wouldn't he go? We can never compete at that level and if his ambition is to compete at that level the obvious thing to do is to leave. If it isn't then I hope he stays, assuming he can get what he wants to stay. But if he has real ambition he will go. I don't think we can ever be a global brand. And that is what it takes to win The Champions League.[/p][/quote]Success on the pitch brings success commercially, why could we not become a global brand. The club has all the potential in the world and we were making real progress in realising it. I really hope Nicola is there to finish what he's started.[/p][/quote]We would require a 70,000 seat stadium. The fans to put in it, car parking for them and between 100 and 200 million to spend on players. At the moment we don't fill it with 32k for home games. That's why. We can be an outstanding provincial club but to be a top club we need to be in a vast metropolis. We are in a coastal City that is difficult to access on match days if you live outside it. Unless you leave home 2 hours plus before the game. There are not enough Southampton based fans to fill the stadium as it stands let alone one double the size.[/p][/quote]Don't really agree George. Your argument pre-supposes a reliance on attendance first to achieve global recognition. I'd argue that it's the other way round these days. Playing attractive football, competing at the highest level, increased worldwide tv coverage and revenue from sponsors will bring bigger financial rewards than gate receipts. This will, in turn sew the seeds for a larger fan base in future. STID[/p][/quote]Precisely. Leverkusen have a smaller stadium than us and things aren't going too badly for them. TV and European money is WAY more important than ticket sales.[/p][/quote]Where do the funds for the players come from to get us to Champions League standard. This year we had a great start with our best side playing teams outside the top 4. Then when injuries and suspensions came along we didn't have the squad players to deliver the continuity in terms of the results. If we had an owner who was willing to pay silly money to fund the squad they couldn't, because all clubs have operate within FIFA financial guide lines. So how do we get the players in if we don't have enormous gate receipts. The rules mitigate in favour of clubs with large stadiums and the support that goes with those stadiums. You have to be realistic. Barring the fluke of having a one off great season and qualifying for The Champions League we are not the right size to be in the top four on a regular basis. If we did get there the best players would just transfer out because we couldn't compete with wages.[/p][/quote]If what you're saying is true then Newcastle would be playing CL football every year and Aston Villa, West Ham and Sunderland will be there long before us. Using our lack of depth this season as an example is a bit pointless, it's our second season back, we are still work in progress. Our profile has risen this season and will rise in future, bringing more tv, sponsorship and advertising revenue. The FFP rules apply to finance, not attendances. The big clubs have had the advantage of running up huge losses with impunity but going forward that will change and clubs will learn to maximise their income. Spurs only average 6k in the ground more than us, will they never compete for CL? The Sky money already outweighs the season's takings for us on the gate, worldwide media and exposure is the key to future success. What you are saying is CL football is dependant on large attendances, I think it's the other way round. I think if we can continue to grow, particularly with the brand of football we play, we will achieve success and attract a large fanbase as we go. STID st1halo

10:08pm Wed 15 Jan 14

fleajuice28 says...

Velleity wrote:
fleajuice28 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
fleajuice28 wrote:
he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.
Who has?
Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club.
Says someone who has never before posted on this site. Odd.
so the source was right, never had any doubts.
apologies for the spelling Iz got bought up in thornhill & went to Weston park bruv................
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I don't normally write on here, only read the comments, its quite funny sometimes too. saints fans with massive intelligence, probably have never kicked a ball in there life & know f**k all about football!! (wannabe journalists)
I personally do not care what happens to us as long as the business we do gets sorted ASAP, as low key as possible & It doesn't affect us on the park.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fleajuice28[/bold] wrote: he's gone, resigned 2 hours ago.[/p][/quote]Who has?[/p][/quote]Cortese has so ive just herd, from a very reliable source straight from the club.[/p][/quote]Says someone who has never before posted on this site. Odd.[/p][/quote]so the source was right, never had any doubts. apologies for the spelling Iz got bought up in thornhill & went to Weston park bruv................ .................... ........... I don't normally write on here, only read the comments, its quite funny sometimes too. saints fans with massive intelligence, probably have never kicked a ball in there life & know f**k all about football!! (wannabe journalists) I personally do not care what happens to us as long as the business we do gets sorted ASAP, as low key as possible & It doesn't affect us on the park. fleajuice28

12:04pm Thu 16 Jan 14

lowe esteem says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Sir Alan Knight wrote:
Let the FireSale begin
Are you selling a fire? only i am after one for my new house.
Don't think you can knight a night, still, way past the 'Leg Ends' bedtime, so time she put on the nightie and we'll all say 'Nighty Night Knighty Night in the Nightie'
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sir Alan Knight[/bold] wrote: Let the FireSale begin[/p][/quote]Are you selling a fire? only i am after one for my new house.[/p][/quote]Don't think you can knight a night, still, way past the 'Leg Ends' bedtime, so time she put on the nightie and we'll all say 'Nighty Night Knighty Night in the Nightie' lowe esteem

12:10pm Thu 16 Jan 14

lowe esteem says...

The last night should have been Knight, as should the second one, so lets get it right before tonight.

Enjoy yourself, its later than you think
Enjoy yourself, are you still wearing pink?
Enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself.
It's fish that far king stink!
The last night should have been Knight, as should the second one, so lets get it right before tonight. Enjoy yourself, its later than you think Enjoy yourself, are you still wearing pink? Enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself. It's fish that far king stink! lowe esteem

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