Southampton workers £38-a-week worse off under coalition government, says survey

Southampton workers are £38-a-week worse off since David Cameron became Prime Minister

Southampton workers are £38-a-week worse off since David Cameron became Prime Minister

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PAY has plunged in Southampton since the coalition government came to power, a new analysis shows – leaving workers almost £38-a-week worse off.

Wage packets have failed to keep pace with higher-than expected inflation, says the study.

The statistics show that average weekly pay, before tax, in Southampton was £431.70 last year, the most recent available figure.

But – if earnings had risen in line with inflation since 2010 – that figure would have stood at £469.55, a difference of £37.85, or 8.1 per cent.

The pain has been even greater on the Isle of Wight, where average 2013 pay of £319.20 is £61.05 lower (16.1 per cent), when adjusted for three years of inflation.

Workers across the rest of Hampshire – where pay is down £27.17, or six per cent, to £423.20 – have also taken a heavy hit.

The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.

In addition, there has been an explosion in part-time working and zero hours contracts, which has further cut the amount staff are taking home.

Mr Blenkinsop said: “People are not working as much as they want to, nor earning as much as they need to “The effects can be seen in working people going to foodbanks and in people turning the heating off so they can eat.

“The increase in food sales at Aldi and Lidl shows it isn’t just the working classes who have reduced purchasing power on the High Street for the weekly food shop.”

The plunge in pay was calculated by adding three years of CPI inflation – adding up to 10.25 per cent, said the MP – to official 2010 earnings figures.

This amount was then compared to the most recent pay figures, for 2013.

Last month, David Cameron attempted to hit back at Labour’s “cost of living crisis” attack, by arguing take-home pay is rising for all but the top ten per cent of earners.

However, No. 10’s figures were widely criticised for including cuts in income tax, while excluding changes to child benefit and tax credits and the boom in self-employment.

And the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies think-tank has warned living standards are unlikely to reach their pre-recession levels before next year’s general election.

The IFS said: “Average living standards have fallen dramatically since the recession. This fall in average incomes has largely been driven by declines in real earnings.”

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5:18am Wed 19 Feb 14

skeptik says...

Vote for ? Another inheritance millionaire - the thought that Cameron, Clegg or Milliband would have got where they are without daddies cash is laughable they did not inherit competence.
Vote for ? Another inheritance millionaire - the thought that Cameron, Clegg or Milliband would have got where they are without daddies cash is laughable they did not inherit competence. skeptik
  • Score: 7

5:54am Wed 19 Feb 14

derek james says...

you don't have to be a genius to see that mass immigration fuels housing cost increases due to competition and depresses wages for those in unskilled jobs.factor in green taxes helping energy costs rise eight times faster than earnings and you have the ingredients for a "perfect storm".
you don't have to be a genius to see that mass immigration fuels housing cost increases due to competition and depresses wages for those in unskilled jobs.factor in green taxes helping energy costs rise eight times faster than earnings and you have the ingredients for a "perfect storm". derek james
  • Score: 0

6:11am Wed 19 Feb 14

nervousbumskin420 says...

BNP!
BNP! nervousbumskin420
  • Score: -17

6:40am Wed 19 Feb 14

loosehead says...

so once again the Echo makes false headlines!
The average pay before tax & the average pay before tax now?
the TAX threshold has gone up so take away todays tax on that figure & they would be taking home more today than then so this is very much false Labour propoganda
so once again the Echo makes false headlines! The average pay before tax & the average pay before tax now? the TAX threshold has gone up so take away todays tax on that figure & they would be taking home more today than then so this is very much false Labour propoganda loosehead
  • Score: -2

7:14am Wed 19 Feb 14

skeptik says...

Too many believe the hype - the headline figures can say many things - when folk look at what they have left after paying utility bills, rent or mortgage the facts are often at odds with the propaganda from whichever party. When Labour were in power the Tories suggested the civil service was a left wing conspiracy making the figures look good - now they are in power the figures are coming from the same places - still left wing conspiracy?
Too many believe the hype - the headline figures can say many things - when folk look at what they have left after paying utility bills, rent or mortgage the facts are often at odds with the propaganda from whichever party. When Labour were in power the Tories suggested the civil service was a left wing conspiracy making the figures look good - now they are in power the figures are coming from the same places - still left wing conspiracy? skeptik
  • Score: 7

7:33am Wed 19 Feb 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
[quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: 0

7:54am Wed 19 Feb 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

derek james wrote:
you don't have to be a genius to see that mass immigration fuels housing cost increases due to competition and depresses wages for those in unskilled jobs.factor in green taxes helping energy costs rise eight times faster than earnings and you have the ingredients for a "perfect storm".
even the bnp have given up on this car crash of a economy.
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: you don't have to be a genius to see that mass immigration fuels housing cost increases due to competition and depresses wages for those in unskilled jobs.factor in green taxes helping energy costs rise eight times faster than earnings and you have the ingredients for a "perfect storm".[/p][/quote]even the bnp have given up on this car crash of a economy. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: -2

8:03am Wed 19 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

Not interested until they show me the results from the control, other universe which is identical in every respect other than the UK government, for comparison.
Not interested until they show me the results from the control, other universe which is identical in every respect other than the UK government, for comparison. gilbertratchet
  • Score: -7

9:05am Wed 19 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

loosehead wrote:
so once again the Echo makes false headlines!
The average pay before tax & the average pay before tax now?
the TAX threshold has gone up so take away todays tax on that figure & they would be taking home more today than then so this is very much false Labour propoganda
The headlines are not about take home pay. The article goes on to explain that even with the increased tax threshold incomes have been reduced by other cuts.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: so once again the Echo makes false headlines! The average pay before tax & the average pay before tax now? the TAX threshold has gone up so take away todays tax on that figure & they would be taking home more today than then so this is very much false Labour propoganda[/p][/quote]The headlines are not about take home pay. The article goes on to explain that even with the increased tax threshold incomes have been reduced by other cuts. KSO16R
  • Score: 2

9:23am Wed 19 Feb 14

Taskforce 141 says...

loosehead wrote:
so once again the Echo makes false headlines!
The average pay before tax & the average pay before tax now?
the TAX threshold has gone up so take away todays tax on that figure & they would be taking home more today than then so this is very much false Labour propoganda
What complete BS.

FACT: I am worse off now than I was before the Coalition gained power!

They have taken the ground from beneath my feet and I feel butt f*#ked!

I have a family support, not that Cameron knows what its like to be working class!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: so once again the Echo makes false headlines! The average pay before tax & the average pay before tax now? the TAX threshold has gone up so take away todays tax on that figure & they would be taking home more today than then so this is very much false Labour propoganda[/p][/quote]What complete BS. FACT: I am worse off now than I was before the Coalition gained power! They have taken the ground from beneath my feet and I feel butt f*#ked! I have a family support, not that Cameron knows what its like to be working class! Taskforce 141
  • Score: 4

9:40am Wed 19 Feb 14

skeptik says...

In my case it is not a case of wealth envy, after a lifetime I am comfortable. What depresses me in politics - it appears that the cabinet and shadow cabinets are favoured with those who have got where they are despite a lack of ability - the right contacts and daddies money seems to be the ticket to ministerial office. Oh yes. there are a few 'no hopers' elevated - IDS and Pickles but two to show a well dressed shop window. The question must be - why is the political system attracting dross? There is not one parliamentarian - party immaterial who stands out. A very low standard that they fail to achieve.
In my case it is not a case of wealth envy, after a lifetime I am comfortable. What depresses me in politics - it appears that the cabinet and shadow cabinets are favoured with those who have got where they are despite a lack of ability - the right contacts and daddies money seems to be the ticket to ministerial office. Oh yes. there are a few 'no hopers' elevated - IDS and Pickles but two to show a well dressed shop window. The question must be - why is the political system attracting dross? There is not one parliamentarian - party immaterial who stands out. A very low standard that they fail to achieve. skeptik
  • Score: 5

10:11am Wed 19 Feb 14

allstar says...

The reasons that pay may have fallen is because too many greedy employers are taking huge pay rises and holding back the pay of their employees,
You only have to look at the salaries of the council leaders and the bankers bonuses to see the true picture , Even MP's will probably get a big rise , Same old thing pigs the lot of them with their snouts in the trough
The reasons that pay may have fallen is because too many greedy employers are taking huge pay rises and holding back the pay of their employees, You only have to look at the salaries of the council leaders and the bankers bonuses to see the true picture , Even MP's will probably get a big rise , Same old thing pigs the lot of them with their snouts in the trough allstar
  • Score: -4

10:18am Wed 19 Feb 14

loosehead says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt? loosehead
  • Score: -4

10:26am Wed 19 Feb 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Shock horror people have been worse off due to a Recession and weak Economy!!! This really is a blame society now. No win No fee...blame blame blame.
Shock horror people have been worse off due to a Recession and weak Economy!!! This really is a blame society now. No win No fee...blame blame blame. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 3

10:39am Wed 19 Feb 14

Costa Baz says...

For a long time, I thought David Cameron had a double barrelled name, because every time his name was mentioned, on tv, my wife would immediately say "Tosser".

I have since discovered that he does not have a double barrelled name, but that my wife actually suffers from T.I.T.S. - Tory Induced Tourette's Syndrome.

From my own investigations, into this syndrome, it would appear to be extremely contagious and has reached epidemic proportions, with no sign of abating.
For a long time, I thought David Cameron had a double barrelled name, because every time his name was mentioned, on tv, my wife would immediately say "Tosser". I have since discovered that he does not have a double barrelled name, but that my wife actually suffers from T.I.T.S. - Tory Induced Tourette's Syndrome. From my own investigations, into this syndrome, it would appear to be extremely contagious and has reached epidemic proportions, with no sign of abating. Costa Baz
  • Score: -2

10:47am Wed 19 Feb 14

Shoong says...

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
Indeed.

It would have much better to let these banks completely collapse to 'teach them a lesson'.

Have you thought about the consequences of that?
[quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]Indeed. It would have much better to let these banks completely collapse to 'teach them a lesson'. Have you thought about the consequences of that? Shoong
  • Score: 2

10:49am Wed 19 Feb 14

Shoong says...

KSO16R wrote:
loosehead wrote:
so once again the Echo makes false headlines!
The average pay before tax & the average pay before tax now?
the TAX threshold has gone up so take away todays tax on that figure & they would be taking home more today than then so this is very much false Labour propoganda
The headlines are not about take home pay. The article goes on to explain that even with the increased tax threshold incomes have been reduced by other cuts.
A sense of perspective from a DE poster?

Well I never.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: so once again the Echo makes false headlines! The average pay before tax & the average pay before tax now? the TAX threshold has gone up so take away todays tax on that figure & they would be taking home more today than then so this is very much false Labour propoganda[/p][/quote]The headlines are not about take home pay. The article goes on to explain that even with the increased tax threshold incomes have been reduced by other cuts.[/p][/quote]A sense of perspective from a DE poster? Well I never. Shoong
  • Score: 2

10:52am Wed 19 Feb 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
I wonder what is on the other side of loosehead's record that he keeps playing.

Despite claiming that 'the cupboard was bare' when they came to power, within a few weeks they were able to help bail out the Irish Republic. Did Osborne discover a Money Tree in the garden at No 11?

Still making cut-backs on grants to Local Authorities, Cameron has been saying that 'Money is no Object' when it comes to dealing with the widespread flooding, that was brought to his attention after Prince Charles had made a visit to the Somerset Levels.

It is truly amazing that this band of incompetents that form the coalition government can plead poverty in the morning and then claim that there is a massive amount of money available in the afternoon.

Of course, one section where money has never been in short supply is the bonus payments made to the bankers that got us into the financial problems.

The incompetents reward the incompetents.

No wonder loosehead supports them.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]I wonder what is on the other side of loosehead's record that he keeps playing. Despite claiming that 'the cupboard was bare' when they came to power, within a few weeks they were able to help bail out the Irish Republic. Did Osborne discover a Money Tree in the garden at No 11? Still making cut-backs on grants to Local Authorities, Cameron has been saying that 'Money is no Object' when it comes to dealing with the widespread flooding, that was brought to his attention after Prince Charles had made a visit to the Somerset Levels. It is truly amazing that this band of incompetents that form the coalition government can plead poverty in the morning and then claim that there is a massive amount of money available in the afternoon. Of course, one section where money has never been in short supply is the bonus payments made to the bankers that got us into the financial problems. The incompetents reward the incompetents. No wonder loosehead supports them. Linesman
  • Score: 4

10:56am Wed 19 Feb 14

southy says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Shock horror people have been worse off due to a Recession and weak Economy!!! This really is a blame society now. No win No fee...blame blame blame.
And the people who creates a recessions and a weak economy is the present day government they are the ones that are doing what the wealthy wants and not what majority needs.
What we need is real open government where no members are part of any secret organisation or take part in its meetings like the Bilderberg meeting or Masons, and one that do not do what the lobbyist wants to often they are agents to the very rich, We need a Government that will put the majority first and the minority last, like the minority are holding over £30 Trillion in tax free banking, the tax on the interest that this £30Tillion makes could clear our national debt with in 10 years and put us into credit
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Shock horror people have been worse off due to a Recession and weak Economy!!! This really is a blame society now. No win No fee...blame blame blame.[/p][/quote]And the people who creates a recessions and a weak economy is the present day government they are the ones that are doing what the wealthy wants and not what majority needs. What we need is real open government where no members are part of any secret organisation or take part in its meetings like the Bilderberg meeting or Masons, and one that do not do what the lobbyist wants to often they are agents to the very rich, We need a Government that will put the majority first and the minority last, like the minority are holding over £30 Trillion in tax free banking, the tax on the interest that this £30Tillion makes could clear our national debt with in 10 years and put us into credit southy
  • Score: -5

12:07pm Wed 19 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

Figures can be manipulated to suit any argument & here they're just rubbish with nothing to support the headline. It's all just opinion to sell a story.

Regarding people turning heating down etc. & shopping at cheaper supermarkets, in my experience people have become more savvy & conscious of what they're spending due to recent memories of a credit crunch. It stems from this so I wouldn't even put all the blame at Labour's door (although they played their part well) but at the door of the worlds economic problems.
Figures can be manipulated to suit any argument & here they're just rubbish with nothing to support the headline. It's all just opinion to sell a story. Regarding people turning heating down etc. & shopping at cheaper supermarkets, in my experience people have become more savvy & conscious of what they're spending due to recent memories of a credit crunch. It stems from this so I wouldn't even put all the blame at Labour's door (although they played their part well) but at the door of the worlds economic problems. sotonboy84
  • Score: 5

12:52pm Wed 19 Feb 14

StevenGalton says...

To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess! StevenGalton
  • Score: 4

12:59pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known."

That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim.

The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan.

When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made.

Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK.

Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK.

Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly?

Of course you have not!

The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit.

I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out.

I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known." That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim. The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan. When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made. Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK. Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK. Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly? Of course you have not! The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit. I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out. I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare! Linesman
  • Score: -3

1:16pm Wed 19 Feb 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
the bank bailout equates to 1000 years of benefit fraud ,official figures , and why does the government pay interest on its debts ,where does that interest go?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]the bank bailout equates to 1000 years of benefit fraud ,official figures , and why does the government pay interest on its debts ,where does that interest go? WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: -1

1:18pm Wed 19 Feb 14

WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. says...

Shoong wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
Indeed.

It would have much better to let these banks completely collapse to 'teach them a lesson'.

Have you thought about the consequences of that?
easy ,the government could issue dent free currency instead of paying interest to a private bank,the bank of england.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]Indeed. It would have much better to let these banks completely collapse to 'teach them a lesson'. Have you thought about the consequences of that?[/p][/quote]easy ,the government could issue dent free currency instead of paying interest to a private bank,the bank of england. WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.
  • Score: -4

2:43pm Wed 19 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known."

That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim.

The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan.

When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made.

Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK.

Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK.

Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly?

Of course you have not!

The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit.

I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out.

I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare!
No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them?
I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known." That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim. The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan. When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made. Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK. Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK. Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly? Of course you have not! The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit. I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out. I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare![/p][/quote]No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them? I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament? loosehead
  • Score: 1

2:45pm Wed 19 Feb 14

loosehead says...

StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
Steve you'll never convince some people even if you shove the figures under their nose they'll just say you've made them up
[quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]Steve you'll never convince some people even if you shove the figures under their nose they'll just say you've made them up loosehead
  • Score: 3

3:27pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known."

That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim.

The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan.

When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made.

Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK.

Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK.

Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly?

Of course you have not!

The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit.

I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out.

I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare!
No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them?
I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?
OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare.

How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?

The two things just do NOT add up.

You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it.

If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it?

Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made?

If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils?

Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses?

As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known." That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim. The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan. When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made. Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK. Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK. Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly? Of course you have not! The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit. I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out. I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare![/p][/quote]No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them? I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?[/p][/quote]OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare. How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic? The two things just do NOT add up. You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it. If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it? Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made? If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils? Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses? As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer. Linesman
  • Score: -1

4:12pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
[quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -4

4:42pm Wed 19 Feb 14

StevenGalton says...

By all means I will happily use the same source of figures to compare Labour's 3 year prior record to this 3 year period - only problem is Tom Blenkinsop's website http://www.tomblenki
nsop.com/ - makes no mention of where these facts have actually come from - infact I find no info on Southampton or these figures at all!
By all means I will happily use the same source of figures to compare Labour's 3 year prior record to this 3 year period - only problem is Tom Blenkinsop's website http://www.tomblenki nsop.com/ - makes no mention of where these facts have actually come from - infact I find no info on Southampton or these figures at all! StevenGalton
  • Score: 3

5:45pm Wed 19 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known."

That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim.

The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan.

When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made.

Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK.

Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK.

Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly?

Of course you have not!

The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit.

I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out.

I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare!
No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them?
I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?
OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare.

How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?

The two things just do NOT add up.

You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it.

If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it?

Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made?

If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils?

Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses?

As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.
so okay lets let the Irish state go belly up with all the consequences that would have for the North really are you that stupid?
a 2million pound LOAN isn't like a trillion pound debt left by Labour is it ?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known." That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim. The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan. When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made. Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK. Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK. Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly? Of course you have not! The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit. I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out. I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare![/p][/quote]No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them? I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?[/p][/quote]OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare. How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic? The two things just do NOT add up. You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it. If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it? Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made? If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils? Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses? As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.[/p][/quote]so okay lets let the Irish state go belly up with all the consequences that would have for the North really are you that stupid? a 2million pound LOAN isn't like a trillion pound debt left by Labour is it ? loosehead
  • Score: 1

5:47pm Wed 19 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known."

That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim.

The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan.

When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made.

Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK.

Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK.

Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly?

Of course you have not!

The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit.

I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out.

I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare!
No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them?
I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?
OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare.

How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?

The two things just do NOT add up.

You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it.

If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it?

Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made?

If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils?

Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses?

As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.
again you are lying I have said it comes under New Forest council but I've also said that doesn't make it part of the new Forest & I gave comparisons to prove my point & you called them Red Herrings I think your short memory span is fading are you okay?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known." That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim. The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan. When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made. Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK. Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK. Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly? Of course you have not! The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit. I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out. I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare![/p][/quote]No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them? I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?[/p][/quote]OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare. How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic? The two things just do NOT add up. You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it. If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it? Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made? If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils? Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses? As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.[/p][/quote]again you are lying I have said it comes under New Forest council but I've also said that doesn't make it part of the new Forest & I gave comparisons to prove my point & you called them Red Herrings I think your short memory span is fading are you okay? loosehead
  • Score: 1

5:48pm Wed 19 Feb 14

George4th says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known."

That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim.

The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan.

When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made.

Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK.

Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK.

Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly?

Of course you have not!

The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit.

I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out.

I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare!
No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them?
I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?
OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare.

How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?

The two things just do NOT add up.

You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it.

If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it?

Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made?

If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils?

Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses?

As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.
"How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?"

As a BIG trading partner we needed to look out for them. And it was simple!
The Coalition's economic plan enabled UK Plc to borrow money at very low interest rates, unlike Ireland! UK Plc borrowed the millions at a low interest rate and then lent it to Ireland for 1% more than we pay! UK Plc makes a profit!

Two points to keep in mind:-

1. When the Global Financial crisis started, UK Plc had the HIGHEST DEFICIT in the Western World! So, you have to blame the Labour government.

2. Why has every Labour Politician apologised for everything the last Labour government did, including screwing up the economy?!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known." That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim. The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan. When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made. Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK. Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK. Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly? Of course you have not! The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit. I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out. I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare![/p][/quote]No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them? I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?[/p][/quote]OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare. How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic? The two things just do NOT add up. You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it. If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it? Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made? If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils? Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses? As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.[/p][/quote]"How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?" As a BIG trading partner we needed to look out for them. And it was simple! The Coalition's economic plan enabled UK Plc to borrow money at very low interest rates, unlike Ireland! UK Plc borrowed the millions at a low interest rate and then lent it to Ireland for 1% more than we pay! UK Plc makes a profit! Two points to keep in mind:- 1. When the Global Financial crisis started, UK Plc had the HIGHEST DEFICIT in the Western World! So, you have to blame the Labour government. 2. Why has every Labour Politician apologised for everything the last Labour government did, including screwing up the economy?! George4th
  • Score: 5

5:51pm Wed 19 Feb 14

loosehead says...

George4th wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known."

That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim.

The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan.

When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made.

Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK.

Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK.

Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly?

Of course you have not!

The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit.

I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out.

I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare!
No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them?
I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?
OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare.

How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?

The two things just do NOT add up.

You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it.

If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it?

Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made?

If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils?

Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses?

As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.
"How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?"

As a BIG trading partner we needed to look out for them. And it was simple!
The Coalition's economic plan enabled UK Plc to borrow money at very low interest rates, unlike Ireland! UK Plc borrowed the millions at a low interest rate and then lent it to Ireland for 1% more than we pay! UK Plc makes a profit!

Two points to keep in mind:-

1. When the Global Financial crisis started, UK Plc had the HIGHEST DEFICIT in the Western World! So, you have to blame the Labour government.

2. Why has every Labour Politician apologised for everything the last Labour government did, including screwing up the economy?!
thank you so much for saying all that as this guy just repeats time after time no matter how many times you prove it to him he's wrong!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known." That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim. The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan. When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made. Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK. Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK. Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly? Of course you have not! The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit. I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out. I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare![/p][/quote]No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them? I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?[/p][/quote]OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare. How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic? The two things just do NOT add up. You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it. If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it? Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made? If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils? Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses? As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.[/p][/quote]"How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?" As a BIG trading partner we needed to look out for them. And it was simple! The Coalition's economic plan enabled UK Plc to borrow money at very low interest rates, unlike Ireland! UK Plc borrowed the millions at a low interest rate and then lent it to Ireland for 1% more than we pay! UK Plc makes a profit! Two points to keep in mind:- 1. When the Global Financial crisis started, UK Plc had the HIGHEST DEFICIT in the Western World! So, you have to blame the Labour government. 2. Why has every Labour Politician apologised for everything the last Labour government did, including screwing up the economy?![/p][/quote]thank you so much for saying all that as this guy just repeats time after time no matter how many times you prove it to him he's wrong! loosehead
  • Score: 3

5:53pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Lone Ranger. says...

StevenGalton wrote:
By all means I will happily use the same source of figures to compare Labour's 3 year prior record to this 3 year period - only problem is Tom Blenkinsop's website http://www.tomblenki

nsop.com/ - makes no mention of where these facts have actually come from - infact I find no info on Southampton or these figures at all!
Perhaps the Echo's Parliamentary Correspondent may be able to shine some light on the report
[quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: By all means I will happily use the same source of figures to compare Labour's 3 year prior record to this 3 year period - only problem is Tom Blenkinsop's website http://www.tomblenki nsop.com/ - makes no mention of where these facts have actually come from - infact I find no info on Southampton or these figures at all![/p][/quote]Perhaps the Echo's Parliamentary Correspondent may be able to shine some light on the report Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

6:17pm Wed 19 Feb 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!![/p][/quote]You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves. sotonboy84
  • Score: 2

7:13pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER. wrote:
nervousbumskin420 wrote:
BNP!
the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.
sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt.
Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known.
Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?
"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known."

That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim.

The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan.

When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made.

Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK.

Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK.

Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly?

Of course you have not!

The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit.

I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out.

I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare!
No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them?
I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?
OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare.

How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?

The two things just do NOT add up.

You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it.

If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it?

Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made?

If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils?

Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses?

As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.
"How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?"

As a BIG trading partner we needed to look out for them. And it was simple!
The Coalition's economic plan enabled UK Plc to borrow money at very low interest rates, unlike Ireland! UK Plc borrowed the millions at a low interest rate and then lent it to Ireland for 1% more than we pay! UK Plc makes a profit!

Two points to keep in mind:-

1. When the Global Financial crisis started, UK Plc had the HIGHEST DEFICIT in the Western World! So, you have to blame the Labour government.

2. Why has every Labour Politician apologised for everything the last Labour government did, including screwing up the economy?!
thank you so much for saying all that as this guy just repeats time after time no matter how many times you prove it to him he's wrong!
So, the 1% interest that they are making on the loan, when you take inflation into account, they are losing money on the deal.

Smart finance.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WILLIAM HAGUES TWIN BROTHER.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nervousbumskin420[/bold] wrote: BNP![/p][/quote]the problem lies in the city of london and corporate welfare ,one trillion hoisted into bankrupt banks so far.[/p][/quote]sorry the one trillion debt we have wasn't for the money to bail out the banks that was only a small part of that debt. Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as it's known. Labour were spend,spend,spend & two thirds of the debt we now have is down to their overspending not the bank bail outs but hey did you want the banks to go bankrupt?[/p][/quote]"Even if we hadn't had the banking crash this country would have had to implement austerity measures or cuts as its known." That is just your opinion, and there has been no credible research done to back up your claim. The Vast Majority of countries borrow to fund projects and, Surprise! Surprise! that borrowing is provided by banks, and not just banks in the country that is seeking the loan. When the a couple of banks collapsed in the US, it was not the fault of Gordon Brown, who you appear to blame for the world's financial problems, it was down to those banks and the unsecured loans that they made. Banks inter-act, and it set up a world-wide 'domino' effect, which is why Spain, Portugal, Italy, the Irish Republic, Greece etc have found themselves in a considerably worse financial state than the UK. Let's face it. The US, where it all started, is even in a worse state than the UK. Have you ever wondered why we did not suffer as badly? Of course you have not! The fact is, it was because of the prompt action taken by Gordon Brown & Co. Something that, because of the blue-tinted glasses that you always wear, you neither see nor would be prepared to admit. I have yet to see you explain how, when Cameron was saying 'the cupboard was bare' when I took over, within a few weeks he was able to make massive loans to the Irish Republic to bail them out. I would LOVE to have a cupboard that bare![/p][/quote]No it's not just me Ed Balls .Alistair Darling, Milliband they've4 all said it so why didn't you hear them? I watch PMQ's & one of the reasons Cameron can hammer Milliband on the economy is because he says exactly this & Milliband can't deny it so are you saying you know better than the Labour Party in Parliament?[/p][/quote]OK! Let us assume that the cupboard was bare. How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic? The two things just do NOT add up. You keep repeating the same nonsense, and have said it so many times that I think you are beginning to actually believe it. If the cupboard was bare as you claim, but this massive loan was made just a matter of a few weeks later, how do you explain it? Are you saying that, with the arrival of Dodgy Dave at No. 10, there was a miraculous financial revival that enabled the bail out to be made? If you are, then why was the money going to the Irish Republic when he was reducing the grants to Local Councils? Why, at a time when he is saying that 'money is no object' when he eventually got around to visiting the Somerset Levels and other places suffering from floods, is he still cutting back on grants to Local Council that is causing cuts in essential services and job losses? As you appear to have all the answers (except when it comes to questions about which political constituency Dibden Bay is in, and which Local Authority it comes under) perhaps you could give a credible answer.[/p][/quote]"How do you explain the bail-out for the Irish Republic?" As a BIG trading partner we needed to look out for them. And it was simple! The Coalition's economic plan enabled UK Plc to borrow money at very low interest rates, unlike Ireland! UK Plc borrowed the millions at a low interest rate and then lent it to Ireland for 1% more than we pay! UK Plc makes a profit! Two points to keep in mind:- 1. When the Global Financial crisis started, UK Plc had the HIGHEST DEFICIT in the Western World! So, you have to blame the Labour government. 2. Why has every Labour Politician apologised for everything the last Labour government did, including screwing up the economy?![/p][/quote]thank you so much for saying all that as this guy just repeats time after time no matter how many times you prove it to him he's wrong![/p][/quote]So, the 1% interest that they are making on the loan, when you take inflation into account, they are losing money on the deal. Smart finance. Linesman
  • Score: -3

7:16pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.
I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!![/p][/quote]You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.[/p][/quote]I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work. Inform Al
  • Score: 1

8:49pm Wed 19 Feb 14

George4th says...

You clearly did not think that one out!
You clearly did not think that one out! George4th
  • Score: 0

9:01pm Wed 19 Feb 14

George4th says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.
I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.
The way it reads, you gave bad advice!

A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?!
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!![/p][/quote]You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.[/p][/quote]I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.[/p][/quote]The way it reads, you gave bad advice! A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?! George4th
  • Score: 1

9:09pm Wed 19 Feb 14

loosehead says...

George4th wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.
I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.
The way it reads, you gave bad advice!

A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?!
lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue.
Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed?
most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole?
so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in.
no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder?
Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!![/p][/quote]You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.[/p][/quote]I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.[/p][/quote]The way it reads, you gave bad advice! A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?![/p][/quote]lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue. Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed? most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole? so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in. no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder? Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company! loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Wed 19 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.
I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.
The way it reads, you gave bad advice!

A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?!
lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue.
Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed?
most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole?
so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in.
no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder?
Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company!
You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp[ose of them at will. Open your bl00dy eyes to what is actually going on while your shepherd does nothing about it.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!![/p][/quote]You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.[/p][/quote]I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.[/p][/quote]The way it reads, you gave bad advice! A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?![/p][/quote]lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue. Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed? most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole? so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in. no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder? Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company![/p][/quote]You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp[ose of them at will. Open your bl00dy eyes to what is actually going on while your shepherd does nothing about it. Inform Al
  • Score: 0

9:22pm Wed 19 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.
I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.
The way it reads, you gave bad advice!

A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?!
lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue.
Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed?
most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole?
so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in.
no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder?
Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company!
You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp
I checked out agencies & soon realised who the sharks were so avoided them.
A Labour MP was saying this in PMQ's & was told to give the evidence to the Priminister & he would hand it to the relevant authorities to get those agencies shut down so why haven't you done this?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!![/p][/quote]You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.[/p][/quote]I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.[/p][/quote]The way it reads, you gave bad advice! A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?![/p][/quote]lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue. Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed? most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole? so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in. no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder? Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company![/p][/quote]You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp[ose of them at will. Open your bl00dy eyes to what is actually going on while your shepherd does nothing about it.[/p][/quote]I checked out agencies & soon realised who the sharks were so avoided them. A Labour MP was saying this in PMQ's & was told to give the evidence to the Priminister & he would hand it to the relevant authorities to get those agencies shut down so why haven't you done this? loosehead
  • Score: -1

9:19am Thu 20 Feb 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.
I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.
The way it reads, you gave bad advice!

A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?!
lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue.
Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed?
most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole?
so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in.
no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder?
Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company!
You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp
I checked out agencies & soon realised who the sharks were so avoided them.
A Labour MP was saying this in PMQ's & was told to give the evidence to the Priminister & he would hand it to the relevant authorities to get those agencies shut down so why haven't you done this?
1) Name the Labour MP and

2) Let us know how you know how you can be sure that he has not done what he was asked to do.

3) Had you considered that this Labour MP has done as he was asked, and that Cameron is acting as quickly on it as he has done on the flooding?

Could it possibly be that it would need Prince Charles to give him another kick up the rear end to get some action?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!![/p][/quote]You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.[/p][/quote]I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.[/p][/quote]The way it reads, you gave bad advice! A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?![/p][/quote]lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue. Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed? most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole? so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in. no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder? Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company![/p][/quote]You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp[ose of them at will. Open your bl00dy eyes to what is actually going on while your shepherd does nothing about it.[/p][/quote]I checked out agencies & soon realised who the sharks were so avoided them. A Labour MP was saying this in PMQ's & was told to give the evidence to the Priminister & he would hand it to the relevant authorities to get those agencies shut down so why haven't you done this?[/p][/quote]1) Name the Labour MP and 2) Let us know how you know how you can be sure that he has not done what he was asked to do. 3) Had you considered that this Labour MP has done as he was asked, and that Cameron is acting as quickly on it as he has done on the flooding? Could it possibly be that it would need Prince Charles to give him another kick up the rear end to get some action? Linesman
  • Score: 0

1:00pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Shoong says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Shock horror people have been worse off due to a Recession and weak Economy!!! This really is a blame society now. No win No fee...blame blame blame.
Absolutley.
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Shock horror people have been worse off due to a Recession and weak Economy!!! This really is a blame society now. No win No fee...blame blame blame.[/p][/quote]Absolutley. Shoong
  • Score: 5

1:01pm Thu 20 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.
I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.
The way it reads, you gave bad advice!

A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?!
lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue.
Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed?
most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole?
so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in.
no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder?
Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company!
You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp
I checked out agencies & soon realised who the sharks were so avoided them.
A Labour MP was saying this in PMQ's & was told to give the evidence to the Priminister & he would hand it to the relevant authorities to get those agencies shut down so why haven't you done this?
1) Name the Labour MP and

2) Let us know how you know how you can be sure that he has not done what he was asked to do.

3) Had you considered that this Labour MP has done as he was asked, and that Cameron is acting as quickly on it as he has done on the flooding?

Could it possibly be that it would need Prince Charles to give him another kick up the rear end to get some action?
he was a north east labour mp.
Try watching these programs instead of implying yet again that I'm making it up will you.
You criticise my education you call me a sheep you make out I'm making it all up yet at least three other posters have put facts on here to back me up but you still carry on so why not show us your real intelligence level & do some research maybe look at past PMQ's on iplayer(if it's on there) then come back & apologise to me
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!![/p][/quote]You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.[/p][/quote]I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.[/p][/quote]The way it reads, you gave bad advice! A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?![/p][/quote]lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue. Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed? most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole? so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in. no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder? Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company![/p][/quote]You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp[ose of them at will. Open your bl00dy eyes to what is actually going on while your shepherd does nothing about it.[/p][/quote]I checked out agencies & soon realised who the sharks were so avoided them. A Labour MP was saying this in PMQ's & was told to give the evidence to the Priminister & he would hand it to the relevant authorities to get those agencies shut down so why haven't you done this?[/p][/quote]1) Name the Labour MP and 2) Let us know how you know how you can be sure that he has not done what he was asked to do. 3) Had you considered that this Labour MP has done as he was asked, and that Cameron is acting as quickly on it as he has done on the flooding? Could it possibly be that it would need Prince Charles to give him another kick up the rear end to get some action?[/p][/quote]he was a north east labour mp. Try watching these programs instead of implying yet again that I'm making it up will you. You criticise my education you call me a sheep you make out I'm making it all up yet at least three other posters have put facts on here to back me up but you still carry on so why not show us your real intelligence level & do some research maybe look at past PMQ's on iplayer(if it's on there) then come back & apologise to me loosehead
  • Score: 1

1:06pm Thu 20 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
StevenGalton wrote:
To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved...

With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power!

Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth?

Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess!
You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers.
.
I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same.
.
The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it.
.
And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!!
You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.
I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.
The way it reads, you gave bad advice!

A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?!
lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue.
Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed?
most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole?
so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in.
no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder?
Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company!
You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp
I checked out agencies & soon realised who the sharks were so avoided them.
A Labour MP was saying this in PMQ's & was told to give the evidence to the Priminister & he would hand it to the relevant authorities to get those agencies shut down so why haven't you done this?
1) Name the Labour MP and

2) Let us know how you know how you can be sure that he has not done what he was asked to do.

3) Had you considered that this Labour MP has done as he was asked, and that Cameron is acting as quickly on it as he has done on the flooding?

Could it possibly be that it would need Prince Charles to give him another kick up the rear end to get some action?
as for the floods exactly what could any government have done ? we're not all King Canute we don't all think we just have to say stop to the waters & they'll stop.
The secretary/minister in charge of all of this has said he offered troops & pumps to every council effected by the floods but none wanted them he now insists on them having help so exactly who was to blame?
before you do your usual thing & make out I was making it up he said it on National news & on the Andrew Marr show so now do your usual reply
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevenGalton[/bold] wrote: To offer a balance to this perhaps we can please see the figures for 2007 - 2010 under Labour so we can compare their record on wages and inflation. I believe inflation for this period was about the same so lets see the figures for the wage growth they achieved... With the absolute mess they left our economy in I seriously hope we never give the economic arsonists back their matches by returning Labour to power! Remember the Labour predictions of rising unemployment? The need for a plan B? The lack of growth? Well it hasn't been easy but as all the data shows the economic recovery is happening with employment up and inflation down - so despite Labour's best efforts to continually talk the economy down the tough decisions the coalition made are sorting out the Labour mess![/p][/quote]You can see the figures for 2007 -2010 Mr Galton ...... Just do exactly what the Labour MP did ......... Quote:- The analysis was carried out for Tom Blenkinsop, a Labour MP in the North-East, who blamed years of pay freezes – or near freezes – for many workers. . I am sure that you or your party can do exactly the same. . The employment figures include many thousands who have now been driven to become self-employed and the further thousands on zero hours contracts. ..... hardly a n example of getting people back to work is it. . And as regards Labour talking down the economy etc .......... Does that ring any bells in local government i wonder !!!![/p][/quote]You talk of self-employment like this is a bad thing. People creating their own businesses, generating income & paying tax can only be a good thing. I'm sure there are many in full time employment that would love to have the opportunity to work for themselves.[/p][/quote]I think the self employed he refers to are those desperate souls who take jobs through agenceys with no legal rights of employment. Before Christmas these bloom as staff are taken on to get the stuff out of the warehouses. They are dropped after, or just before, Christmas with no employment rights. If they only pay the low self employed rate for National Insurance they cannot claim JSA when first losing the work. One family in Kent that I advised the father not to take the self employed job offered by an agency are now in real danger of losing their home. The poor soul just desperately wanted to work.[/p][/quote]The way it reads, you gave bad advice! A couple of million immigrants don't seem to have a problem dealing with life in this country! Why do the indigenous population keep moaning, groaning, whinging and complaining and the immigrants just get on and make a better life for themselves?![/p][/quote]lets get it right George the ones who are attacking your posts would rather see these people on welfare so they can whine about the class divide & try to be the night in shining armour going to the rescue. Any one who goes self employed takes a gamble yet one of them advised someone in Kent not to go self employed? most builders ,shopkeepers & many other small companies are self employed people so what they shouldn't do it they should stay on the dole? so no more little shops like Rowenna wants us to shop in. no local cheap plumber,Electrician & builder? Lifes a gamble & if you want to succeed sometimes you have to gamble & yes some fail but what a world it would be if no one gambled & started a company![/p][/quote]You can be such a pillock, I made it very clear that the poor soul that was so desperate to work was taken advantage of by one of the low life agencies that prey on the vulnerable, then disp[ose of them at will. Open your bl00dy eyes to what is actually going on while your shepherd does nothing about it.[/p][/quote]I checked out agencies & soon realised who the sharks were so avoided them. A Labour MP was saying this in PMQ's & was told to give the evidence to the Priminister & he would hand it to the relevant authorities to get those agencies shut down so why haven't you done this?[/p][/quote]1) Name the Labour MP and 2) Let us know how you know how you can be sure that he has not done what he was asked to do. 3) Had you considered that this Labour MP has done as he was asked, and that Cameron is acting as quickly on it as he has done on the flooding? Could it possibly be that it would need Prince Charles to give him another kick up the rear end to get some action?[/p][/quote]as for the floods exactly what could any government have done ? we're not all King Canute we don't all think we just have to say stop to the waters & they'll stop. The secretary/minister in charge of all of this has said he offered troops & pumps to every council effected by the floods but none wanted them he now insists on them having help so exactly who was to blame? before you do your usual thing & make out I was making it up he said it on National news & on the Andrew Marr show so now do your usual reply loosehead
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