One in nine Southampton patients can’t get to see GP

One in nine people can’t get to see GP

One in nine people can’t get to see GP

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ONE in nine patients in Southampton are unable to get a GP appointment when they need one, doctors have warned.

Hundreds of people in the city complained they could not book a slot in official surveys carried out by the department of health.

In total patients were being turned away on tens of thousands of occasions each year, the Royal College of General Practitioners (RCGP) warned

It blamed the “growing crisis” on funding cuts to general practice at a time when demand for services is rising sharply.

But GP leaders in Southampton – while admitting funding was “tight” – played down talk of a crisis and insisted improvements were on the way.

They said: “It is important to note that not all patients questioned by the Royal College will have needed an urgent appointment with their doctor.”

The survey tested the opinions of thousands of patients in each clinical commissioning group (CCG) area, over six months last year.

It found that 11 per cent in Southampton – a total of 469 patients, of 4,378 who responded – were unable to “see or speak to someone” at their local surgery.

In Fareham and Gosport, ten per cent of patients could not get an appointment, while in West Hampshire that figure stood at eight per cent.

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But the problems were not acute in the Isle of Wight (five per cent), the survey suggested.

The figures exclude patients who said they could get an appointment, having been asked to “call back closer to, or on the day, I wanted”.

Dr Maureen Baker, of the RCGP, said: “The unprecedented decline in funding for healthcare in the community has brought general practice to its knees.

“GPs and practice nurses can’t keep doing more for less. Resources are increasingly being diverted into hospitals.”

But a spokeswoman for Southampton City CCG pointed to improvements in the pipeline, including:

  • Trials of telephone appointments in some city practices to help patients wanting a same-day appointment.
  • Directing patients to the minor injuries unit at the Royal Southampton Hospital, as a “fast alternative to a GP appointment”.
  • Integrated care and support offered by health, social care, housing groups and voluntary organisations in Weston and Woolston – to reduce the need for GP visits.
  • Groups of practices joining together to offer a “more comprehensive and efficient service to their patients”.

The spokeswoman said: “GP practices are facing significant issues with a national shortage of GPs and the growth in demand for the range and opening hours of services.

“We are confident that by employing innovative ways of working and using their  resources more creatively GP practices will be able to meet the challenges and offer an improved service to patients.”

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12:11pm Tue 25 Feb 14

southy says...

Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit southy
  • Score: -9

12:19pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Santa Retfordia says...

I wish the government would just have the balls to come out and say it. Seriously, I'd have more respect for them if they just issued a statement aimed at everyone complaining of illness that read: "LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE YOU LAZY SCUMBAGS".
I wish the government would just have the balls to come out and say it. Seriously, I'd have more respect for them if they just issued a statement aimed at everyone complaining of illness that read: "LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE YOU LAZY SCUMBAGS". Santa Retfordia
  • Score: -5

12:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Ok, you've had your usual rants about Capitalists and the right wing, can you give us some real insight into whatever real Socialist policy will improve the NHS and the long term goals of this policy?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Ok, you've had your usual rants about Capitalists and the right wing, can you give us some real insight into whatever real Socialist policy will improve the NHS and the long term goals of this policy? Shoong
  • Score: 7

12:51pm Tue 25 Feb 14

AD1234 says...

southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade. AD1234
  • Score: 2

1:18pm Tue 25 Feb 14

gilbertratchet says...

AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Remember the old adage: it's impossible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.

Southy utterly fails to grasp any evidence that contradicts his quasi-religious beliefs.
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Remember the old adage: it's impossible to reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into. Southy utterly fails to grasp any evidence that contradicts his quasi-religious beliefs. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 4

1:18pm Tue 25 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
You lost my vote when you started talking about tesco selling rotten food at exorbitant prices. ( rotten food could mean a variety of things and if something isn't good value then what they charge could be considered exorbitant). How funny you chose to compare the NHS to running a shop.
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]You lost my vote when you started talking about tesco selling rotten food at exorbitant prices. ( rotten food could mean a variety of things and if something isn't good value then what they charge could be considered exorbitant). How funny you chose to compare the NHS to running a shop. KSO16R
  • Score: 2

1:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Shoong says...

KSO16R wrote:
AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
You lost my vote when you started talking about tesco selling rotten food at exorbitant prices. ( rotten food could mean a variety of things and if something isn't good value then what they charge could be considered exorbitant). How funny you chose to compare the NHS to running a shop.
Yes, that does seem rather contradictory.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]You lost my vote when you started talking about tesco selling rotten food at exorbitant prices. ( rotten food could mean a variety of things and if something isn't good value then what they charge could be considered exorbitant). How funny you chose to compare the NHS to running a shop.[/p][/quote]Yes, that does seem rather contradictory. Shoong
  • Score: 2

1:35pm Tue 25 Feb 14

southy says...

AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia.
Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October.
State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods.
You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234
[quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia. Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October. State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods. You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234 southy
  • Score: -7

1:55pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia.
Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October.
State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods.
You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234
You could have saved time by missing out the unnecessary bilge and just posting the last paragraph.

As for giving it the 'wise man routine', wind your neck in, you are one of the most bigoted and ignorant people I've ever had the fortune to see on the internet.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia. Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October. State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods. You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234[/p][/quote]You could have saved time by missing out the unnecessary bilge and just posting the last paragraph. As for giving it the 'wise man routine', wind your neck in, you are one of the most bigoted and ignorant people I've ever had the fortune to see on the internet. Shoong
  • Score: 5

2:03pm Tue 25 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

southy wrote:
AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia.
Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October.
State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods.
You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234
Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia. Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October. State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods. You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234[/p][/quote]Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature. KSO16R
  • Score: 3

2:10pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Shoong says...

KSO16R wrote:
southy wrote:
AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia.
Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October.
State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods.
You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234
Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.
Indeed.

It would seem that the Socialist revolution that we've been still waiting for isn't going to be springing out of Ukraine anyway.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia. Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October. State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods. You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234[/p][/quote]Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.[/p][/quote]Indeed. It would seem that the Socialist revolution that we've been still waiting for isn't going to be springing out of Ukraine anyway. Shoong
  • Score: 2

4:04pm Tue 25 Feb 14

southy says...

KSO16R wrote:
southy wrote:
AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia.
Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October.
State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods.
You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234
Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.
the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment.
people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia. Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October. State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods. You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234[/p][/quote]Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.[/p][/quote]the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment. people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation. southy
  • Score: -5

4:28pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
southy wrote:
AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia.
Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October.
State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods.
You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234
Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.
the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment.
people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation.
How can human nature be 'false'? Weird.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia. Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October. State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods. You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234[/p][/quote]Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.[/p][/quote]the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment. people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation.[/p][/quote]How can human nature be 'false'? Weird. Shoong
  • Score: 3

4:36pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
southy wrote:
AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia.
Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October.
State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods.
You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234
Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.
the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment.
people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation.
Whatever you see wrong with society you can't offer any explanation about why people are offered a chance every few years to change it but then don't vote for the revolution you constantly predict. Instead of accepting that the country is broadly the way people want it you prefer to invent all sorts of conspiracies to explain why no-one and the electoral figures show literally no-one will vote for your beloved socialism. Earlier this afternoon you condemned Stalin as non-person in exactly the same way as Stalin himself did when someone embarrassed or displeased him. You can struggle to reinvent Stalin as a different political animal as the Judean Liberation Peoples Front was parodied in the film Life of Brian, but socialism was the vehicle that allowed this murdering tyrant to grab power and lead the communists in their disastrous period of the control of Russia. Half a continent eventually rose up against this onerous rule in the late 1980s as the old Iron Curtain country's decided they'd had enough. With a recent frightening history of socialism within easy living memory, no-one will risk voting for it and then risk the suspension of elections as happened in Russia etc and when socialists do stand in free and fair elections, they lose their deposit. Interesting problem isn't it? Cue the old retorts about the slow growth of the original Labour Party, Rome wasn't built in a day and a string of other timeworn arguments along the lines of what might happen instead of what already has.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia. Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October. State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods. You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234[/p][/quote]Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.[/p][/quote]the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment. people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation.[/p][/quote]Whatever you see wrong with society you can't offer any explanation about why people are offered a chance every few years to change it but then don't vote for the revolution you constantly predict. Instead of accepting that the country is broadly the way people want it you prefer to invent all sorts of conspiracies to explain why no-one and the electoral figures show literally no-one will vote for your beloved socialism. Earlier this afternoon you condemned Stalin as non-person in exactly the same way as Stalin himself did when someone embarrassed or displeased him. You can struggle to reinvent Stalin as a different political animal as the Judean Liberation Peoples Front was parodied in the film Life of Brian, but socialism was the vehicle that allowed this murdering tyrant to grab power and lead the communists in their disastrous period of the control of Russia. Half a continent eventually rose up against this onerous rule in the late 1980s as the old Iron Curtain country's decided they'd had enough. With a recent frightening history of socialism within easy living memory, no-one will risk voting for it and then risk the suspension of elections as happened in Russia etc and when socialists do stand in free and fair elections, they lose their deposit. Interesting problem isn't it? Cue the old retorts about the slow growth of the original Labour Party, Rome wasn't built in a day and a string of other timeworn arguments along the lines of what might happen instead of what already has. Torchie1
  • Score: 4

5:20pm Tue 25 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
southy wrote:
AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia.
Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October.
State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods.
You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234
Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.
the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment.
people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation.
Whatever you see wrong with society you can't offer any explanation about why people are offered a chance every few years to change it but then don't vote for the revolution you constantly predict. Instead of accepting that the country is broadly the way people want it you prefer to invent all sorts of conspiracies to explain why no-one and the electoral figures show literally no-one will vote for your beloved socialism. Earlier this afternoon you condemned Stalin as non-person in exactly the same way as Stalin himself did when someone embarrassed or displeased him. You can struggle to reinvent Stalin as a different political animal as the Judean Liberation Peoples Front was parodied in the film Life of Brian, but socialism was the vehicle that allowed this murdering tyrant to grab power and lead the communists in their disastrous period of the control of Russia. Half a continent eventually rose up against this onerous rule in the late 1980s as the old Iron Curtain country's decided they'd had enough. With a recent frightening history of socialism within easy living memory, no-one will risk voting for it and then risk the suspension of elections as happened in Russia etc and when socialists do stand in free and fair elections, they lose their deposit. Interesting problem isn't it? Cue the old retorts about the slow growth of the original Labour Party, Rome wasn't built in a day and a string of other timeworn arguments along the lines of what might happen instead of what already has.
Southy by far the majority of people are happy with the crumbs they are fed from the 'big table'. Some have bigger crumbs but crumbs all the same. 99.9%of the worlds population are just rungs on ladder for the 0.1% at the verytop of the pile. We are a commodity. don't get angry, don't get sad but more importantly dont expect any understanding from some of 99.9% with the slightly bigger crumbs. Make yourself comfortable as best you can, help your neighbour but don't hold your breath waiting for the revolution
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia. Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October. State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods. You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234[/p][/quote]Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.[/p][/quote]the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment. people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation.[/p][/quote]Whatever you see wrong with society you can't offer any explanation about why people are offered a chance every few years to change it but then don't vote for the revolution you constantly predict. Instead of accepting that the country is broadly the way people want it you prefer to invent all sorts of conspiracies to explain why no-one and the electoral figures show literally no-one will vote for your beloved socialism. Earlier this afternoon you condemned Stalin as non-person in exactly the same way as Stalin himself did when someone embarrassed or displeased him. You can struggle to reinvent Stalin as a different political animal as the Judean Liberation Peoples Front was parodied in the film Life of Brian, but socialism was the vehicle that allowed this murdering tyrant to grab power and lead the communists in their disastrous period of the control of Russia. Half a continent eventually rose up against this onerous rule in the late 1980s as the old Iron Curtain country's decided they'd had enough. With a recent frightening history of socialism within easy living memory, no-one will risk voting for it and then risk the suspension of elections as happened in Russia etc and when socialists do stand in free and fair elections, they lose their deposit. Interesting problem isn't it? Cue the old retorts about the slow growth of the original Labour Party, Rome wasn't built in a day and a string of other timeworn arguments along the lines of what might happen instead of what already has.[/p][/quote]Southy by far the majority of people are happy with the crumbs they are fed from the 'big table'. Some have bigger crumbs but crumbs all the same. 99.9%of the worlds population are just rungs on ladder for the 0.1% at the verytop of the pile. We are a commodity. don't get angry, don't get sad but more importantly dont expect any understanding from some of 99.9% with the slightly bigger crumbs. Make yourself comfortable as best you can, help your neighbour but don't hold your breath waiting for the revolution KSO16R
  • Score: -1

6:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

SOULJACKER says...

The whole 'GP' system thing is an absolute disgrace.
It seems strange that they seem to think that you can see into the future a week or so & let them know when you are likely to be sick!
The fact of the matter is if you go to most doctors surgeries (certainly around the Bevois Valley area) they will be full of Asians with paper cuts, some old Polish drunk who is completely baked on 'Tyskie' or some scumbag from Cranbury avenue in need of their Methadone fix.
Forgive me if I have spoken out term but that's just the way it is now!
The whole 'GP' system thing is an absolute disgrace. It seems strange that they seem to think that you can see into the future a week or so & let them know when you are likely to be sick! The fact of the matter is if you go to most doctors surgeries (certainly around the Bevois Valley area) they will be full of Asians with paper cuts, some old Polish drunk who is completely baked on 'Tyskie' or some scumbag from Cranbury avenue in need of their Methadone fix. Forgive me if I have spoken out term but that's just the way it is now! SOULJACKER
  • Score: 3

7:05pm Tue 25 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
The whole 'GP' system thing is an absolute disgrace.
It seems strange that they seem to think that you can see into the future a week or so & let them know when you are likely to be sick!
The fact of the matter is if you go to most doctors surgeries (certainly around the Bevois Valley area) they will be full of Asians with paper cuts, some old Polish drunk who is completely baked on 'Tyskie' or some scumbag from Cranbury avenue in need of their Methadone fix.
Forgive me if I have spoken out term but that's just the way it is now!
So what do you have issue with the fact that it is difficult to get an appt, the people visiting the doctors with selfinflicted or trivial problems or people from other countries?
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: The whole 'GP' system thing is an absolute disgrace. It seems strange that they seem to think that you can see into the future a week or so & let them know when you are likely to be sick! The fact of the matter is if you go to most doctors surgeries (certainly around the Bevois Valley area) they will be full of Asians with paper cuts, some old Polish drunk who is completely baked on 'Tyskie' or some scumbag from Cranbury avenue in need of their Methadone fix. Forgive me if I have spoken out term but that's just the way it is now![/p][/quote]So what do you have issue with the fact that it is difficult to get an appt, the people visiting the doctors with selfinflicted or trivial problems or people from other countries? KSO16R
  • Score: 2

7:14pm Tue 25 Feb 14

nanana33 says...

I agree that the government is putting pressure on GPs by not funding them to appropriate levels, but there is also a massive waste of GP time by people with colds, coughs or simple problems that could be treated by your local pharmacist, who offer a faster service and longer opening hours than your GP.

The NHS should never be privatised, it should always be run for the interest of patients not shareholders.
I agree that the government is putting pressure on GPs by not funding them to appropriate levels, but there is also a massive waste of GP time by people with colds, coughs or simple problems that could be treated by your local pharmacist, who offer a faster service and longer opening hours than your GP. The NHS should never be privatised, it should always be run for the interest of patients not shareholders. nanana33
  • Score: 2

7:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

SOULJACKER says...

KSO16R wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
The whole 'GP' system thing is an absolute disgrace.
It seems strange that they seem to think that you can see into the future a week or so & let them know when you are likely to be sick!
The fact of the matter is if you go to most doctors surgeries (certainly around the Bevois Valley area) they will be full of Asians with paper cuts, some old Polish drunk who is completely baked on 'Tyskie' or some scumbag from Cranbury avenue in need of their Methadone fix.
Forgive me if I have spoken out term but that's just the way it is now!
So what do you have issue with the fact that it is difficult to get an appt, the people visiting the doctors with selfinflicted or trivial problems or people from other countries?
I think a bit of everything really.
I have sour grapes (not a medical condition) but I couldn't get my kid in the doctors with his asthma because it was full of old foreign people who needed interpreters that the whole doctors ground tto a halt waiting for.
The fact of the matter is that so many people have come over for the free healthcare thanks to Blair that the system is completely screwed & probably can't be fixed because people ain't gonna go back to where they come from because it's free here.
I don't expect you to understand my point of view because you probably don't have to live with it as I do!
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: The whole 'GP' system thing is an absolute disgrace. It seems strange that they seem to think that you can see into the future a week or so & let them know when you are likely to be sick! The fact of the matter is if you go to most doctors surgeries (certainly around the Bevois Valley area) they will be full of Asians with paper cuts, some old Polish drunk who is completely baked on 'Tyskie' or some scumbag from Cranbury avenue in need of their Methadone fix. Forgive me if I have spoken out term but that's just the way it is now![/p][/quote]So what do you have issue with the fact that it is difficult to get an appt, the people visiting the doctors with selfinflicted or trivial problems or people from other countries?[/p][/quote]I think a bit of everything really. I have sour grapes (not a medical condition) but I couldn't get my kid in the doctors with his asthma because it was full of old foreign people who needed interpreters that the whole doctors ground tto a halt waiting for. The fact of the matter is that so many people have come over for the free healthcare thanks to Blair that the system is completely screwed & probably can't be fixed because people ain't gonna go back to where they come from because it's free here. I don't expect you to understand my point of view because you probably don't have to live with it as I do! SOULJACKER
  • Score: 0

8:06pm Tue 25 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

Wrong. I experience the same frustrations as anyone when trying to access doctors, hospital etc. Easy to get a dentist now though compared to a few years ago. I don't blame anyone searching for a better life for themselves and their families. However, i do resent people wasting those resources. I think you are right to say the system is 'screwed' but not by the people by politicians because it is worth their while. Here is something i paid £7 whatever for a prescription the other day, the medication, nothing special, would have cost £65 if bought without prescription. So while i grumble at times and look around at everyone else in the waiting room with suspition, i yhink how lucky i am to live in the uk
Wrong. I experience the same frustrations as anyone when trying to access doctors, hospital etc. Easy to get a dentist now though compared to a few years ago. I don't blame anyone searching for a better life for themselves and their families. However, i do resent people wasting those resources. I think you are right to say the system is 'screwed' but not by the people by politicians because it is worth their while. Here is something i paid £7 whatever for a prescription the other day, the medication, nothing special, would have cost £65 if bought without prescription. So while i grumble at times and look around at everyone else in the waiting room with suspition, i yhink how lucky i am to live in the uk KSO16R
  • Score: 3

8:46pm Tue 25 Feb 14

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
southy wrote:
AD1234 wrote:
southy wrote:
Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit
Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you?

Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets).

Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.
Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia.
Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October.
State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods.
You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234
Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.
the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment.
people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation.
.. wow. I actually agree with you on the NHS; but, but, but: -

'the current human nature is a false nature' is a quite hilarious comment.

There is no ‘current’ human nature; human nature is what it is. You weird Trotskyists and your ilk can’t change it however much rubbish you spout.

This is almost enough to want me to resurrect my monthly blog of your comments – but alas it seems you no longer seem to want to expose your ignorance to my scrutiny anywhere near as much as you did in the past. And for that, I suppose, we should be grateful – although I do miss the stupidity of the wondrous ‘world according to southy’
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AD1234[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Labour as said it the Torys have said it also both as said the NHS is safe in there hands but the truth is that the NHS will never be safe in any right wing hands Capitalist can not be trusted when it comes to things that have national interest, the only ones that you can truth with the NHS are the real Socialist they are the only ones that are not out to ruin it or to sell it off to the few to make profit[/p][/quote]Do you purchase your food from a state-run food shop? No? Do you find the filthy capitalist running-dog Tesco selling you rotten food at exorbitant prices? No, you don't, do you? Privatise the NHS, and we'll have a good health system, providing good care free at the point of use, but run efficiently (like the supermarkets). Profit motive works. Socialism/Statism does not. Remember the USSR, comrade.[/p][/quote]Stalin was not a Socialist he was not even a member to any socialist party or even a Capitalist Communist, party, Stalin was how ever a Republican and a member to the provincialist party which took part in the 2nd Russian Revolution and was one of those that ordered the arrest of Lenin on entering Russia. Try reading Brezhnev book, Stalin was a Georgian born Loseb Besarionis Dze Jughashvili, who became head of Central Committee in 1922, He took part in the Spring Revolution of 1917, which was a Capitalist Republican Revolution, The Socialist Revolution happen later in the year 10 days in October. State run food shops are not allowed to happen for if they did the Corporations would never be able to compete with them, Corporations cause a lot of environment damage and also cause human misery around the world using locals as cheap paid slave labour, also supermarkets deal with under ripe fresh veg foods. You got a lot to learn about this world of ours AD1234[/p][/quote]Southy while i don't doubt your passion for your cause or your good intention, i believe you are swimming against the current of human nature.[/p][/quote]the current human nature is a false nature its force on to people its not a choice, and to keep it there it as to be push onto people every single moment. people just don't realise how controlled they really are But to let capitalist control the NHS and it will not be there for the next generation.[/p][/quote].. wow. I actually agree with you on the NHS; but, but, but: - 'the current human nature is a false nature' is a quite hilarious comment. There is no ‘current’ human nature; human nature is what it is. You weird Trotskyists and your ilk can’t change it however much rubbish you spout. This is almost enough to want me to resurrect my monthly blog of your comments – but alas it seems you no longer seem to want to expose your ignorance to my scrutiny anywhere near as much as you did in the past. And for that, I suppose, we should be grateful – although I do miss the stupidity of the wondrous ‘world according to southy’ freefinker
  • Score: 2

9:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

Not so freefinker, if you are so obsessed with southy, weirdtrotskyists and their ilk as you appear, i fink.
Not so freefinker, if you are so obsessed with southy, weirdtrotskyists and their ilk as you appear, i fink. KSO16R
  • Score: 1

9:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

SOULJACKER says...

KSO16R wrote:
Wrong. I experience the same frustrations as anyone when trying to access doctors, hospital etc. Easy to get a dentist now though compared to a few years ago. I don't blame anyone searching for a better life for themselves and their families. However, i do resent people wasting those resources. I think you are right to say the system is 'screwed' but not by the people by politicians because it is worth their while. Here is something i paid £7 whatever for a prescription the other day, the medication, nothing special, would have cost £65 if bought without prescription. So while i grumble at times and look around at everyone else in the waiting room with suspition, i yhink how lucky i am to live in the uk
I think you look around & think 'how lucky you are' because you have been conditioned to think that.
I feel lucky that I don't live in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or Rwanda etc.....but all the while I can still see how the politicians have ruined what used to be in place.
Next time my kid has an Asthma attack & there is some old Asian woman with a a dam cold sitting in the waiting room waiting for the English speaking guy to turn up I really won't be pulling my punches.
Our whole life we should think ourselves lucky but that doesn't mean that things should be allowed to be getting worse because of the rest of the world.
I remember about 20 years ago I went to the shop & Mr Singh (the owner) was going on about how he couldn't get to the doctors in Bedford place because he couldn't organize transport from his three sons & how he was at deaths door etc....
So I said ok I will go home & get the car & drop him round there, BIG MISTAKE!
He went in the doctors & five minutes later came out & said you must wait (which I did) he then emerges forty five minutes later & asks me to take him urgently to the chemist which I did & when I dropped him home & he closes my car door he says yeah the doctor says I got a cold!
Who'd have funk it & that's what I resent!
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Wrong. I experience the same frustrations as anyone when trying to access doctors, hospital etc. Easy to get a dentist now though compared to a few years ago. I don't blame anyone searching for a better life for themselves and their families. However, i do resent people wasting those resources. I think you are right to say the system is 'screwed' but not by the people by politicians because it is worth their while. Here is something i paid £7 whatever for a prescription the other day, the medication, nothing special, would have cost £65 if bought without prescription. So while i grumble at times and look around at everyone else in the waiting room with suspition, i yhink how lucky i am to live in the uk[/p][/quote]I think you look around & think 'how lucky you are' because you have been conditioned to think that. I feel lucky that I don't live in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or Rwanda etc.....but all the while I can still see how the politicians have ruined what used to be in place. Next time my kid has an Asthma attack & there is some old Asian woman with a a dam cold sitting in the waiting room waiting for the English speaking guy to turn up I really won't be pulling my punches. Our whole life we should think ourselves lucky but that doesn't mean that things should be allowed to be getting worse because of the rest of the world. I remember about 20 years ago I went to the shop & Mr Singh (the owner) was going on about how he couldn't get to the doctors in Bedford place because he couldn't organize transport from his three sons & how he was at deaths door etc.... So I said ok I will go home & get the car & drop him round there, BIG MISTAKE! He went in the doctors & five minutes later came out & said you must wait (which I did) he then emerges forty five minutes later & asks me to take him urgently to the chemist which I did & when I dropped him home & he closes my car door he says yeah the doctor says I got a cold! Who'd have funk it & that's what I resent! SOULJACKER
  • Score: -2

9:23pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Outside of the Box says...

Getting into Fort Knox would easier than getting into Ladieswalk Surgery in Thornhill Park Rd
Getting into Fort Knox would easier than getting into Ladieswalk Surgery in Thornhill Park Rd Outside of the Box
  • Score: -2

9:44pm Tue 25 Feb 14

KSO16R says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
KSO16R wrote:
Wrong. I experience the same frustrations as anyone when trying to access doctors, hospital etc. Easy to get a dentist now though compared to a few years ago. I don't blame anyone searching for a better life for themselves and their families. However, i do resent people wasting those resources. I think you are right to say the system is 'screwed' but not by the people by politicians because it is worth their while. Here is something i paid £7 whatever for a prescription the other day, the medication, nothing special, would have cost £65 if bought without prescription. So while i grumble at times and look around at everyone else in the waiting room with suspition, i yhink how lucky i am to live in the uk
I think you look around & think 'how lucky you are' because you have been conditioned to think that.
I feel lucky that I don't live in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or Rwanda etc.....but all the while I can still see how the politicians have ruined what used to be in place.
Next time my kid has an Asthma attack & there is some old Asian woman with a a dam cold sitting in the waiting room waiting for the English speaking guy to turn up I really won't be pulling my punches.
Our whole life we should think ourselves lucky but that doesn't mean that things should be allowed to be getting worse because of the rest of the world.
I remember about 20 years ago I went to the shop & Mr Singh (the owner) was going on about how he couldn't get to the doctors in Bedford place because he couldn't organize transport from his three sons & how he was at deaths door etc....
So I said ok I will go home & get the car & drop him round there, BIG MISTAKE!
He went in the doctors & five minutes later came out & said you must wait (which I did) he then emerges forty five minutes later & asks me to take him urgently to the chemist which I did & when I dropped him home & he closes my car door he says yeah the doctor says I got a cold!
Who'd have funk it & that's what I resent!
Wrong again. I think for myself, work for myself, look out for myself, family, friends and neighbours. Not even my hair is conditioned. I suggest you forget about mr singh, he is still making you angry, you cant use that for anything. (Sorry if that sounded a bit preachy certainly not intended)life is a struggle but don't allow others to make it worse.
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Wrong. I experience the same frustrations as anyone when trying to access doctors, hospital etc. Easy to get a dentist now though compared to a few years ago. I don't blame anyone searching for a better life for themselves and their families. However, i do resent people wasting those resources. I think you are right to say the system is 'screwed' but not by the people by politicians because it is worth their while. Here is something i paid £7 whatever for a prescription the other day, the medication, nothing special, would have cost £65 if bought without prescription. So while i grumble at times and look around at everyone else in the waiting room with suspition, i yhink how lucky i am to live in the uk[/p][/quote]I think you look around & think 'how lucky you are' because you have been conditioned to think that. I feel lucky that I don't live in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or Rwanda etc.....but all the while I can still see how the politicians have ruined what used to be in place. Next time my kid has an Asthma attack & there is some old Asian woman with a a dam cold sitting in the waiting room waiting for the English speaking guy to turn up I really won't be pulling my punches. Our whole life we should think ourselves lucky but that doesn't mean that things should be allowed to be getting worse because of the rest of the world. I remember about 20 years ago I went to the shop & Mr Singh (the owner) was going on about how he couldn't get to the doctors in Bedford place because he couldn't organize transport from his three sons & how he was at deaths door etc.... So I said ok I will go home & get the car & drop him round there, BIG MISTAKE! He went in the doctors & five minutes later came out & said you must wait (which I did) he then emerges forty five minutes later & asks me to take him urgently to the chemist which I did & when I dropped him home & he closes my car door he says yeah the doctor says I got a cold! Who'd have funk it & that's what I resent![/p][/quote]Wrong again. I think for myself, work for myself, look out for myself, family, friends and neighbours. Not even my hair is conditioned. I suggest you forget about mr singh, he is still making you angry, you cant use that for anything. (Sorry if that sounded a bit preachy certainly not intended)life is a struggle but don't allow others to make it worse. KSO16R
  • Score: 1

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