Wiggle Cycling event boss aiming to calm nerves in New Forest

Daily Echo: Cycling event boss aiming to calm nerves Cycling event boss aiming to calm nerves

THE man behind a controversial series of mass cycle rides in the New Forest has sought to calm fears surrounding the next event.

Martin Barden, director of UK Cycling Events, outlined a series of measures aimed at preventing the Wiggle New Forest Spring Sportive from sparking another round of protests.

It follows months of controversy over the problems caused by thousands of riders taking part in Wiggle events in the Forest.

Riders have been accused of endangering the safety of walkers and horse riders, swearing at motorists and even defecating at the roadside.

Most of the previous events have been based in the Brockenhurst area, including New Park – home of the New Forest Show. But organisers were banned from the site last year after a pony round-up on neighbouring land was cancelled on safety grounds.

As reported in the Daily Echo, UK Cycling Events has decided to use Matchams Leisure Park, sparking fears that Ringwood will experience the same sort of problems seen in other parts of the district. But Mr Barden sought to placate his critics at a meeting of Ringwood Town Council.

Outlining plans to stage the Spring Sportive on April 12 and 13, he pledged that extra marshals would be deployed in a bid to prevent cyclists from causing any upset.

He also said the numbers worn by riders would be more visible, making it easier for any bad behaviour to be reported and dealt with.

The number of entrants would be limited to 2,500, although the figure on the day was more likely to be about 1,800, councillors were told.

Mr Barden said organisers would refrain from publishing individual finish times in a bid to reduce any competiveness among the cyclists.

He was joined at the meeting by Steve Avery, director of park services at the New Forest National Park Authority.

Criticism Mr Avery listed the steps taken in response to criticism of previous mass cycling events.

He confirmed that a cyclists’ code had already been agreed and a charter was due to be published by the end of the year.

But councillors warned that cyclists would pass through one of the most built-up parts of Ringwood in the middle of the Easter holidays.

Cllr Neville Chard said he strongly objected to the event, claiming it was not in the interests of his constituents.

However, Mr Barden said cyclists were told to obey the Highway Code as well as observing the event’s terms and conditions.

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6:15am Thu 6 Mar 14

saint61 says...

It's getting boring now!
It's getting boring now! saint61
  • Score: 0

8:08am Thu 6 Mar 14

Frogham Ferret says...

Your picture captures how these 'non-racing' cyclists pay no attention to the Highway Code riding right across the highway, and shouting and gesticulating at anyone who gets in their way.

Time for proper policing and prosecutions for law breaking, just like other road users
Your picture captures how these 'non-racing' cyclists pay no attention to the Highway Code riding right across the highway, and shouting and gesticulating at anyone who gets in their way. Time for proper policing and prosecutions for law breaking, just like other road users Frogham Ferret
  • Score: 2

8:47am Thu 6 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

Frogham Ferret wrote:
Your picture captures how these 'non-racing' cyclists pay no attention to the Highway Code riding right across the highway, and shouting and gesticulating at anyone who gets in their way.

Time for proper policing and prosecutions for law breaking, just like other road users
Yeah just look at the anger and frustration in their faces in that photo. All directed towards the evil drivers.

No? Just you seeing that?
[quote][p][bold]Frogham Ferret[/bold] wrote: Your picture captures how these 'non-racing' cyclists pay no attention to the Highway Code riding right across the highway, and shouting and gesticulating at anyone who gets in their way. Time for proper policing and prosecutions for law breaking, just like other road users[/p][/quote]Yeah just look at the anger and frustration in their faces in that photo. All directed towards the evil drivers. No? Just you seeing that? camerajuan
  • Score: -1

8:50am Thu 6 Mar 14

Forest Resident says...

Frogham Ferret wrote:
Your picture captures how these 'non-racing' cyclists pay no attention to the Highway Code riding right across the highway, and shouting and gesticulating at anyone who gets in their way.

Time for proper policing and prosecutions for law breaking, just like other road users
The picture above shows nothing of the sort, look closer, cyclists riding two abreast is perfectly legal. These events are held on open roads and as they have discovered in Surrey and elsewhere the cyclists are regarded by law as regular road traffic, and barring a wholesale change in the law there is no pointless restrictions that can or should be made upon people making a healthy use of the roads rather than clogging them up with their cars. I hope the NIMBYS stay at home, that the participants have a great days cycling, and that they continue to bring much needed money into the local economy for years to come.
[quote][p][bold]Frogham Ferret[/bold] wrote: Your picture captures how these 'non-racing' cyclists pay no attention to the Highway Code riding right across the highway, and shouting and gesticulating at anyone who gets in their way. Time for proper policing and prosecutions for law breaking, just like other road users[/p][/quote]The picture above shows nothing of the sort, look closer, cyclists riding two abreast is perfectly legal. These events are held on open roads and as they have discovered in Surrey and elsewhere the cyclists are regarded by law as regular road traffic, and barring a wholesale change in the law there is no pointless restrictions that can or should be made upon people making a healthy use of the roads rather than clogging them up with their cars. I hope the NIMBYS stay at home, that the participants have a great days cycling, and that they continue to bring much needed money into the local economy for years to come. Forest Resident
  • Score: -1

9:04am Thu 6 Mar 14

Mr E says...

Here we go again .......
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y
1s
Here we go again ....... http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y 1s Mr E
  • Score: 1

9:11am Thu 6 Mar 14

Franks Tank says...

"Even defecating at the roadside".
Ah, the fictitious Godshill stool has raised its ugly head again.
A jobbie that was only discovered a month after the last event.
Strange that.
"Even defecating at the roadside". Ah, the fictitious Godshill stool has raised its ugly head again. A jobbie that was only discovered a month after the last event. Strange that. Franks Tank
  • Score: 0

9:57am Thu 6 Mar 14

Zexagon says...

Out of interest when a cyclist is doing a time trial or against the clock or whatever do they go over 30mph? Or don't they reach that speed?
Out of interest when a cyclist is doing a time trial or against the clock or whatever do they go over 30mph? Or don't they reach that speed? Zexagon
  • Score: 3

10:19am Thu 6 Mar 14

Franks Tank says...

Zexagon wrote:
Out of interest when a cyclist is doing a time trial or against the clock or whatever do they go over 30mph? Or don't they reach that speed?
Unless there is a specific by-law , speed limits do not apply to cyclists.
In fact signed speed limits apply specifically to cars and motor bike since often it's different for lorries, vans and those towing.
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: Out of interest when a cyclist is doing a time trial or against the clock or whatever do they go over 30mph? Or don't they reach that speed?[/p][/quote]Unless there is a specific by-law , speed limits do not apply to cyclists. In fact signed speed limits apply specifically to cars and motor bike since often it's different for lorries, vans and those towing. Franks Tank
  • Score: -1

10:24am Thu 6 Mar 14

Forest Resident says...

Zexagon wrote:
Out of interest when a cyclist is doing a time trial or against the clock or whatever do they go over 30mph? Or don't they reach that speed?
Curiously the legislation that references speed limits (Road Traffic Regulation at 1984) only refers specifically to motor vehicles, therefore it is not possible to prosecute for speeding cyclists unless a local byelaw exists as it does in a few London parks. There is however offences such as furious or reckless cycling for which a cyclist can be prosecuted.
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: Out of interest when a cyclist is doing a time trial or against the clock or whatever do they go over 30mph? Or don't they reach that speed?[/p][/quote]Curiously the legislation that references speed limits (Road Traffic Regulation at 1984) only refers specifically to motor vehicles, therefore it is not possible to prosecute for speeding cyclists unless a local byelaw exists as it does in a few London parks. There is however offences such as furious or reckless cycling for which a cyclist can be prosecuted. Forest Resident
  • Score: 3

10:47am Thu 6 Mar 14

charrlee says...

If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same.

Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess.

However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist).

In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements.
"You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour.

Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts.

As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.
If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent. charrlee
  • Score: 3

11:35am Thu 6 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

charlee, well said. Many good points.

I want everyone to obey and understand all traffic laws and just realise that everyone who is a tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizen has every right to use whatever mode of transport they want without being persecuted for the actions of a small number of their peers.

Perfect worlds don't and could never exist. Brits would complain that there is nothing to complain about.
charlee, well said. Many good points. I want everyone to obey and understand all traffic laws and just realise that everyone who is a tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizen has every right to use whatever mode of transport they want without being persecuted for the actions of a small number of their peers. Perfect worlds don't and could never exist. Brits would complain that there is nothing to complain about. camerajuan
  • Score: 0

12:00pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

The same 'tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizens' that have every right to stand up in a dark crowded theatre and yell 'Fire'. Lots of things are legal but sometimes they aren't sensible.
The same 'tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizens' that have every right to stand up in a dark crowded theatre and yell 'Fire'. Lots of things are legal but sometimes they aren't sensible. Torchie1
  • Score: -5

12:13pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Forest Resident says...

charrlee wrote:
If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same.

Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess.

However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist).

In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements.
"You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour.

Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts.

As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.
The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.[/p][/quote]The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have. Forest Resident
  • Score: -4

12:34pm Thu 6 Mar 14

freefinker says...

Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote:
If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same.

Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess.

However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist).

In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements.
"You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour.

Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts.

As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.
The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.
.. well said.
This is going the exact same way as the original BtK and all subsequent reincarnations.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.[/p][/quote]The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.[/p][/quote].. well said. This is going the exact same way as the original BtK and all subsequent reincarnations. freefinker
  • Score: 1

1:16pm Thu 6 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote:
If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same.

Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess.

However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist).

In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements.
"You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour.

Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts.

As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.
The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.
Better add you to the list.

My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial.

D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category?
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.[/p][/quote]The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.[/p][/quote]Better add you to the list. My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial. D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category? charrlee
  • Score: 1

1:30pm Thu 6 Mar 14

charrlee says...

freefinker wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote:
If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same.

Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess.

However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist).

In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements.
"You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour.

Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts.

As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.
The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.
.. well said.
This is going the exact same way as the original BtK and all subsequent reincarnations.
The "original BtK" as you call them were hounded by certain individuals, including yourself, over your inability to control your jealousy of their intellectual capacity and entertainment value. That is my view, with which you will naturally disagree.
You know full well what their purpose was, and whatever concern and distress they caused you, you well and truly deserved it.
Your rather tedious need to search out and expose some old pensioners who got the better of you is becoming a bit of a yawn.

I do not conduct myself like the BtK, and have no intention of doing so. Your foolish allegation that I am is just a red herring to create a sense of doubt and mistrust amongst the readership here.

Let it go, Freefinker. Your misgivings are unjustified.The only person making a fuss is you. Watch and see.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.[/p][/quote]The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.[/p][/quote].. well said. This is going the exact same way as the original BtK and all subsequent reincarnations.[/p][/quote]The "original BtK" as you call them were hounded by certain individuals, including yourself, over your inability to control your jealousy of their intellectual capacity and entertainment value. That is my view, with which you will naturally disagree. You know full well what their purpose was, and whatever concern and distress they caused you, you well and truly deserved it. Your rather tedious need to search out and expose some old pensioners who got the better of you is becoming a bit of a yawn. I do not conduct myself like the BtK, and have no intention of doing so. Your foolish allegation that I am is just a red herring to create a sense of doubt and mistrust amongst the readership here. Let it go, Freefinker. Your misgivings are unjustified.The only person making a fuss is you. Watch and see. charrlee
  • Score: -1

3:30pm Thu 6 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

Torchie1 wrote:
The same 'tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizens' that have every right to stand up in a dark crowded theatre and yell 'Fire'. Lots of things are legal but sometimes they aren't sensible.
Jesus talk about clutching at straws Torchie!

No legal doesn't mean sensible, but by your reckoning and by your attitude to my comment, driving and cycling aren't sensible things to do - and are as reckless as creating a hoax fire call?!?!
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: The same 'tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizens' that have every right to stand up in a dark crowded theatre and yell 'Fire'. Lots of things are legal but sometimes they aren't sensible.[/p][/quote]Jesus talk about clutching at straws Torchie! No legal doesn't mean sensible, but by your reckoning and by your attitude to my comment, driving and cycling aren't sensible things to do - and are as reckless as creating a hoax fire call?!?! camerajuan
  • Score: -2

4:28pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Forest Resident says...

charrlee wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.
The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.
Better add you to the list. My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial. D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category?
Add me to which ever fictitous and frankly irrelevant 'list' you please, but judging me on the basis of a single polite and balanced comment, and proclaiming that your view is that of a 'general consensus' without any supporting evidence whatsoever says a great deal more about you than you may realise. Lets leave it at that and get back on topic shall we? Given your wish to build a bond wth cyclists do I hope to see you out supporting this events participants, after all, many do the event simply in order to raise much needed funds for respective charities, and for that they deserve everyones support, not baseless anecdotal condemnation.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.[/p][/quote]The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.[/p][/quote]Better add you to the list. My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial. D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category?[/p][/quote]Add me to which ever fictitous and frankly irrelevant 'list' you please, but judging me on the basis of a single polite and balanced comment, and proclaiming that your view is that of a 'general consensus' without any supporting evidence whatsoever says a great deal more about you than you may realise. Lets leave it at that and get back on topic shall we? Given your wish to build a bond wth cyclists do I hope to see you out supporting this events participants, after all, many do the event simply in order to raise much needed funds for respective charities, and for that they deserve everyones support, not baseless anecdotal condemnation. Forest Resident
  • Score: -2

5:18pm Thu 6 Mar 14

p82125 says...

Frogham Ferret wrote:
Your picture captures how these 'non-racing' cyclists pay no attention to the Highway Code riding right across the highway, and shouting and gesticulating at anyone who gets in their way.

Time for proper policing and prosecutions for law breaking, just like other road users
Blah blah blah..... amazing what you can read in to a simple picture when you have a very skewed view of what actually happens. Ever ridden a bike ? ever ridden a bike in one of these events ? presume by the tone of your comments you drive a car in this area ? Come up with a plausible two sided view of events and then make some intelligent measured comments that actually have something to them. Or if it makes you happy keep beating the same old drum for the same old argument that fell flat on it's face long ago.
[quote][p][bold]Frogham Ferret[/bold] wrote: Your picture captures how these 'non-racing' cyclists pay no attention to the Highway Code riding right across the highway, and shouting and gesticulating at anyone who gets in their way. Time for proper policing and prosecutions for law breaking, just like other road users[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah..... amazing what you can read in to a simple picture when you have a very skewed view of what actually happens. Ever ridden a bike ? ever ridden a bike in one of these events ? presume by the tone of your comments you drive a car in this area ? Come up with a plausible two sided view of events and then make some intelligent measured comments that actually have something to them. Or if it makes you happy keep beating the same old drum for the same old argument that fell flat on it's face long ago. p82125
  • Score: 2

6:50pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Cyclists bearing identification,well,
its a start!
Cyclists bearing identification,well, its a start! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

9:08pm Thu 6 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.
The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.
Better add you to the list. My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial. D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category?
Add me to which ever fictitous and frankly irrelevant 'list' you please, but judging me on the basis of a single polite and balanced comment, and proclaiming that your view is that of a 'general consensus' without any supporting evidence whatsoever says a great deal more about you than you may realise. Lets leave it at that and get back on topic shall we? Given your wish to build a bond wth cyclists do I hope to see you out supporting this events participants, after all, many do the event simply in order to raise much needed funds for respective charities, and for that they deserve everyones support, not baseless anecdotal condemnation.
Forest Resident, I have read most of your opinionated and often ill-tempered comments over many years. You remind me in a way of Billy The Kid - always in a strop about something. My comments are not baseless. They are derived from evaluating what people have been saying over the years on this forum.

You might be surprised to know that, for what it's worth, I usually agree with most of what you say. Just don't like the hostile mood you seem to evoke through what comes over, in my opinion, as entrenched cynicism.

What do you mean "given my wish to build a bond with cyclists" ? I said "I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers." What did you think I meant, for Heaven's sake ? I'm too old and have too many family responsibilities to be able to spend all day at any kind of event, cycling or otherwise.

I'm a pensioner and I've served my country and employers well. So less of your condescending, patronising cheek, if you please, sir!
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.[/p][/quote]The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.[/p][/quote]Better add you to the list. My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial. D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category?[/p][/quote]Add me to which ever fictitous and frankly irrelevant 'list' you please, but judging me on the basis of a single polite and balanced comment, and proclaiming that your view is that of a 'general consensus' without any supporting evidence whatsoever says a great deal more about you than you may realise. Lets leave it at that and get back on topic shall we? Given your wish to build a bond wth cyclists do I hope to see you out supporting this events participants, after all, many do the event simply in order to raise much needed funds for respective charities, and for that they deserve everyones support, not baseless anecdotal condemnation.[/p][/quote]Forest Resident, I have read most of your opinionated and often ill-tempered comments over many years. You remind me in a way of Billy The Kid - always in a strop about something. My comments are not baseless. They are derived from evaluating what people have been saying over the years on this forum. You might be surprised to know that, for what it's worth, I usually agree with most of what you say. Just don't like the hostile mood you seem to evoke through what comes over, in my opinion, as entrenched cynicism. What do you mean "given my wish to build a bond with cyclists" ? I said "I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers." What did you think I meant, for Heaven's sake ? I'm too old and have too many family responsibilities to be able to spend all day at any kind of event, cycling or otherwise. I'm a pensioner and I've served my country and employers well. So less of your condescending, patronising cheek, if you please, sir! charrlee
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Thu 6 Mar 14

Torchie1 says...

camerajuan wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
The same 'tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizens' that have every right to stand up in a dark crowded theatre and yell 'Fire'. Lots of things are legal but sometimes they aren't sensible.
Jesus talk about clutching at straws Torchie!

No legal doesn't mean sensible, but by your reckoning and by your attitude to my comment, driving and cycling aren't sensible things to do - and are as reckless as creating a hoax fire call?!?!
You seem to be trying to tell me somewhat incorrectly what my views towards driving should be so perhaps I should give you the views of Jeremy Clarkson, "Work harder, buy a car".
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: The same 'tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizens' that have every right to stand up in a dark crowded theatre and yell 'Fire'. Lots of things are legal but sometimes they aren't sensible.[/p][/quote]Jesus talk about clutching at straws Torchie! No legal doesn't mean sensible, but by your reckoning and by your attitude to my comment, driving and cycling aren't sensible things to do - and are as reckless as creating a hoax fire call?!?![/p][/quote]You seem to be trying to tell me somewhat incorrectly what my views towards driving should be so perhaps I should give you the views of Jeremy Clarkson, "Work harder, buy a car". Torchie1
  • Score: -5

7:34am Fri 7 Mar 14

Forest Resident says...

charrlee wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.
The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.
Better add you to the list. My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial. D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category?
Add me to which ever fictitous and frankly irrelevant 'list' you please, but judging me on the basis of a single polite and balanced comment, and proclaiming that your view is that of a 'general consensus' without any supporting evidence whatsoever says a great deal more about you than you may realise. Lets leave it at that and get back on topic shall we? Given your wish to build a bond wth cyclists do I hope to see you out supporting this events participants, after all, many do the event simply in order to raise much needed funds for respective charities, and for that they deserve everyones support, not baseless anecdotal condemnation.
Forest Resident, I have read most of your opinionated and often ill-tempered comments over many years. You remind me in a way of Billy The Kid - always in a strop about something. My comments are not baseless. They are derived from evaluating what people have been saying over the years on this forum.

You might be surprised to know that, for what it's worth, I usually agree with most of what you say. Just don't like the hostile mood you seem to evoke through what comes over, in my opinion, as entrenched cynicism.

What do you mean "given my wish to build a bond with cyclists" ? I said "I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers." What did you think I meant, for Heaven's sake ? I'm too old and have too many family responsibilities to be able to spend all day at any kind of event, cycling or otherwise.

I'm a pensioner and I've served my country and employers well. So less of your condescending, patronising cheek, if you please, sir!
Pot. Kettle.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.[/p][/quote]The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.[/p][/quote]Better add you to the list. My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial. D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category?[/p][/quote]Add me to which ever fictitous and frankly irrelevant 'list' you please, but judging me on the basis of a single polite and balanced comment, and proclaiming that your view is that of a 'general consensus' without any supporting evidence whatsoever says a great deal more about you than you may realise. Lets leave it at that and get back on topic shall we? Given your wish to build a bond wth cyclists do I hope to see you out supporting this events participants, after all, many do the event simply in order to raise much needed funds for respective charities, and for that they deserve everyones support, not baseless anecdotal condemnation.[/p][/quote]Forest Resident, I have read most of your opinionated and often ill-tempered comments over many years. You remind me in a way of Billy The Kid - always in a strop about something. My comments are not baseless. They are derived from evaluating what people have been saying over the years on this forum. You might be surprised to know that, for what it's worth, I usually agree with most of what you say. Just don't like the hostile mood you seem to evoke through what comes over, in my opinion, as entrenched cynicism. What do you mean "given my wish to build a bond with cyclists" ? I said "I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers." What did you think I meant, for Heaven's sake ? I'm too old and have too many family responsibilities to be able to spend all day at any kind of event, cycling or otherwise. I'm a pensioner and I've served my country and employers well. So less of your condescending, patronising cheek, if you please, sir![/p][/quote]Pot. Kettle. Forest Resident
  • Score: 1

8:54am Fri 7 Mar 14

camerajuan says...

Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
The same 'tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizens' that have every right to stand up in a dark crowded theatre and yell 'Fire'. Lots of things are legal but sometimes they aren't sensible.
Jesus talk about clutching at straws Torchie!

No legal doesn't mean sensible, but by your reckoning and by your attitude to my comment, driving and cycling aren't sensible things to do - and are as reckless as creating a hoax fire call?!?!
You seem to be trying to tell me somewhat incorrectly what my views towards driving should be so perhaps I should give you the views of Jeremy Clarkson, "Work harder, buy a car".
Ah of course, everyone listens to that man and everyone who does is more intelligent for doing so. Good reference.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: The same 'tax paying, hard working, safety minded citizens' that have every right to stand up in a dark crowded theatre and yell 'Fire'. Lots of things are legal but sometimes they aren't sensible.[/p][/quote]Jesus talk about clutching at straws Torchie! No legal doesn't mean sensible, but by your reckoning and by your attitude to my comment, driving and cycling aren't sensible things to do - and are as reckless as creating a hoax fire call?!?![/p][/quote]You seem to be trying to tell me somewhat incorrectly what my views towards driving should be so perhaps I should give you the views of Jeremy Clarkson, "Work harder, buy a car".[/p][/quote]Ah of course, everyone listens to that man and everyone who does is more intelligent for doing so. Good reference. camerajuan
  • Score: 0

12:17pm Fri 7 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Forest Resident wrote:
charrlee wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.
The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.
Better add you to the list. My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial. D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category?
Add me to which ever fictitous and frankly irrelevant 'list' you please, but judging me on the basis of a single polite and balanced comment, and proclaiming that your view is that of a 'general consensus' without any supporting evidence whatsoever says a great deal more about you than you may realise. Lets leave it at that and get back on topic shall we? Given your wish to build a bond wth cyclists do I hope to see you out supporting this events participants, after all, many do the event simply in order to raise much needed funds for respective charities, and for that they deserve everyones support, not baseless anecdotal condemnation.
Forest Resident, I have read most of your opinionated and often ill-tempered comments over many years. You remind me in a way of Billy The Kid - always in a strop about something. My comments are not baseless. They are derived from evaluating what people have been saying over the years on this forum.

You might be surprised to know that, for what it's worth, I usually agree with most of what you say. Just don't like the hostile mood you seem to evoke through what comes over, in my opinion, as entrenched cynicism.

What do you mean "given my wish to build a bond with cyclists" ? I said "I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers." What did you think I meant, for Heaven's sake ? I'm too old and have too many family responsibilities to be able to spend all day at any kind of event, cycling or otherwise.

I'm a pensioner and I've served my country and employers well. So less of your condescending, patronising cheek, if you please, sir!
Pot. Kettle.
Not that simple, is it?
A very common tactic of yours, and of the aggressive - to coin one of Geoff's amusing expressions : "cycle Nazis" - is to attempt to deflect attention away from your own deficiencies, lack of knowledge and common sense etc and level unjustified, provocative, personal accusations at the commenter who is outgunning you. There is nothing more degrading than to be accused of being a troll, or Billy The Kid ( What a legend he is becoming thanks to the ever-fearful freefinker, and the hugely unpopular twitter-hooked D J Cook! To my knowledge, the Kid has not posted in over two years, yet finker and fader see him everywhere!)

Just to recap, being a leisure cyclist myself, I strongly support the normal cyclists, ie not you. I also have much respect for the highly-informative and very knowledgeable Gingercyclist. But you know as well as I do that it is only a matter of time before his videos attract the attention of the police as regards his own anti-social behaviour and public order offences as demonstrated by his behaviour on camera.

Forest Resident, in my opinion you are not a troll, you are not an idiot. But some of your comments betray a certain irresponsibility.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: If the minority group of cyclists who seem to demonstrate a fondness for vociferous hostility and aggression against anyone who criticises them were brought under control, I am certain the general public would be tolerant towards their mass events. And exactly the same must be said of the many drivers who do the same. Let's face it, the majority of cyclists are reasonable, decent people who just want to enjoy cycling, and take part in organised events. 30,000+ football fans are allowed to stream through towns and cities most weeks to enjoy football. Thousands attend pop concerts, carnivals, fairs (and fayres!), and various sporting events throughout the year, many outdoors in summer, in large arenas. All generate movement restrictions for the local residents, and all generate a certain amount of litter and mess. However, as I and many others have highlighted before, there are a number of "supposed" cycling enthusiasts who publish on the net and on this forum, who severely damage the reputation of cycling. They provoke people with negative attitudes and eccentric views, condemning all who challenge them. We know who the main culprits are, as they regularly stir up controversy here : Graham Simmons, D J Cook (as Downfader), and Michael Andrews (as Gingercyclist). In fairness, Gingercyclist does try to eliminate many of the myths, rumours and fears that abound regarding cycling, and answer all questions put to him without prejudice. He spends a great deal of time helping people, and trying to portray cycling in a good light. However, his Achilles Heel will always be the 600 or more video clips on You Tube depicting him shouting and swearing at local motorists over alleged, minor motoring infringements. "You tw*t! You almost f**king killed me!" he screams in one of his dramas. 600 videos later - hey - he's still alive, which is testament to his continued over-reaction. The article above mentions swearing, and many cyclists will have seen Micheal's videos, so we are clear who has inspired this particularly unsavoury, anti-social behaviour. Let battle commence. It should be noted that this article appears on the general forum, as well as on the specialist "Cycling News" forum, so cyclists can expect comments from a broad spectrum of readers, not just enthusiasts. As I have said before, I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers, with courtesy and mutual respect becoming the norm. We can well do without the usual tiny groups of troublemakers from both camps fanning the flames of discontent.[/p][/quote]The only troublemakers are those who, like yourself, get off on identifying specific cyclists who make perfectly legitimate points in support of their healthy and legal use of the roads. You may not like what they have to say but there is simpy no need make the baseless accusations that you have.[/p][/quote]Better add you to the list. My comments are based on a general consensus of opinion, I think you'll find. You know perfectly well they are not baseless, and there is no need for anyone to pursue your denial. D J Cook and Graham Simmons attack anyone who opposes their views in a ferocious, usually anti-social manner. Again, a commonly held view, not just mine. Don't you think Michael's 600 examples of his own public order offences put him in an unparalleled category?[/p][/quote]Add me to which ever fictitous and frankly irrelevant 'list' you please, but judging me on the basis of a single polite and balanced comment, and proclaiming that your view is that of a 'general consensus' without any supporting evidence whatsoever says a great deal more about you than you may realise. Lets leave it at that and get back on topic shall we? Given your wish to build a bond wth cyclists do I hope to see you out supporting this events participants, after all, many do the event simply in order to raise much needed funds for respective charities, and for that they deserve everyones support, not baseless anecdotal condemnation.[/p][/quote]Forest Resident, I have read most of your opinionated and often ill-tempered comments over many years. You remind me in a way of Billy The Kid - always in a strop about something. My comments are not baseless. They are derived from evaluating what people have been saying over the years on this forum. You might be surprised to know that, for what it's worth, I usually agree with most of what you say. Just don't like the hostile mood you seem to evoke through what comes over, in my opinion, as entrenched cynicism. What do you mean "given my wish to build a bond with cyclists" ? I said "I would like to see a strong bond and friendship develop between cyclists and drivers." What did you think I meant, for Heaven's sake ? I'm too old and have too many family responsibilities to be able to spend all day at any kind of event, cycling or otherwise. I'm a pensioner and I've served my country and employers well. So less of your condescending, patronising cheek, if you please, sir![/p][/quote]Pot. Kettle.[/p][/quote]Not that simple, is it? A very common tactic of yours, and of the aggressive - to coin one of Geoff's amusing expressions : "cycle Nazis" - is to attempt to deflect attention away from your own deficiencies, lack of knowledge and common sense etc and level unjustified, provocative, personal accusations at the commenter who is outgunning you. There is nothing more degrading than to be accused of being a troll, or Billy The Kid ( What a legend he is becoming thanks to the ever-fearful freefinker, and the hugely unpopular twitter-hooked D J Cook! To my knowledge, the Kid has not posted in over two years, yet finker and fader see him everywhere!) Just to recap, being a leisure cyclist myself, I strongly support the normal cyclists, ie not you. I also have much respect for the highly-informative and very knowledgeable Gingercyclist. But you know as well as I do that it is only a matter of time before his videos attract the attention of the police as regards his own anti-social behaviour and public order offences as demonstrated by his behaviour on camera. Forest Resident, in my opinion you are not a troll, you are not an idiot. But some of your comments betray a certain irresponsibility. charrlee
  • Score: 3

11:38am Sat 8 Mar 14

Reconciler says...

Can someone explain how the picture illustrating this article shows cyclists riding TWO abreast? (Forest Resident's early comment, not yet challenged.) I learned to count many years ago, so wonder whether I am getting addled, as they appear to me to be riding up to four or five abreast - certainly occupying virtually the whole width of the road, which is against both Wiggle's code of conduct and the Highway Code. They look quite happy in this snap - presumably because nobody is in their way!
Can someone explain how the picture illustrating this article shows cyclists riding TWO abreast? (Forest Resident's early comment, not yet challenged.) I learned to count many years ago, so wonder whether I am getting addled, as they appear to me to be riding up to four or five abreast - certainly occupying virtually the whole width of the road, which is against both Wiggle's code of conduct and the Highway Code. They look quite happy in this snap - presumably because nobody is in their way! Reconciler
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Drhysted says...

Reconciler wrote:
Can someone explain how the picture illustrating this article shows cyclists riding TWO abreast? (Forest Resident's early comment, not yet challenged.) I learned to count many years ago, so wonder whether I am getting addled, as they appear to me to be riding up to four or five abreast - certainly occupying virtually the whole width of the road, which is against both Wiggle's code of conduct and the Highway Code. They look quite happy in this snap - presumably because nobody is in their way!
You must be looking at a different picture from the one showing on my PC. Maybe your system is playing up again.

The one at the top of the page on my PC show riders two abreast, there is one rider about 2/3rds from the front who is closer to the middle line than the others, but given the difference in helmet size from those around him I'd suggest that he is overtaking, as he appears not to be abreast of anyone else. The riders at the front are bearing away from the photographer, probably because there is a radius in the road.

Oh the reason they are looking happy, is probably because they are out riding, the release of endorphin's and top up of vitamin D is well proven to help.
[quote][p][bold]Reconciler[/bold] wrote: Can someone explain how the picture illustrating this article shows cyclists riding TWO abreast? (Forest Resident's early comment, not yet challenged.) I learned to count many years ago, so wonder whether I am getting addled, as they appear to me to be riding up to four or five abreast - certainly occupying virtually the whole width of the road, which is against both Wiggle's code of conduct and the Highway Code. They look quite happy in this snap - presumably because nobody is in their way![/p][/quote]You must be looking at a different picture from the one showing on my PC. Maybe your system is playing up again. The one at the top of the page on my PC show riders two abreast, there is one rider about 2/3rds from the front who is closer to the middle line than the others, but given the difference in helmet size from those around him I'd suggest that he is overtaking, as he appears not to be abreast of anyone else. The riders at the front are bearing away from the photographer, probably because there is a radius in the road. Oh the reason they are looking happy, is probably because they are out riding, the release of endorphin's and top up of vitamin D is well proven to help. Drhysted
  • Score: 1

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