PE teacher being inteviewed for job saves life of teenager who had heart attack at Mountbatten School in Romsey

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IT WASN’T quite the test she was expecting when she was interviewed for a top job at a Hampshire school.

But today a Hampshire schoolboy has her to thank for the fact he is alive – after he collapsed and suffered a heart attack on the sports hall floor.

PE teacher Emma Denham, below, was being observed taking a class as part of the interview process at Mountbatten School, in Romsey, when Sam Mangoro’s heart stopped, sending him into cardiac arrest.

Daily Echo:

But quick-thinking Emma, along with three other members of staff, ran to his aid and gave him life-saving CPR using a defibrillator that the school had only purchased a few months before.

It was their courage and ability to put their training into practice under such immense pressure, along with the fact that the school had a defibrillator, that saved the 16-yearold’s life say doctors.

Sam, below, was last night being slowly woken up from a medically induced coma, which he has been in since the incident on Thursday, but his parents are hopeful thanks to the teachers who gave him the best possible chance of making a full recovery.

Daily Echo:

His dad Michael told the Daily Echo: “We would like to thank every single member of staff from the school from the bottom of our hearts.

“They have given us our son back, because without them we wouldn’t have him.

“We are quietly optimistic because the critical thing was that the treatment he received at the school from the teachers was absolutely incredible and that’s given him every fighting chance.”

He added: “They did an absolutely amazing and wonderful thing under immense pressure and I am sure in what must have been a lot of fear.”

Daily Echo:

The drama happened on Thursday afternoon when Emma Denham was being observed by two other teachers – Jon Neale and deputy head Joanna Scott – as she took a class in the gym.

Just a few minutes in, after the children had warmed-up, Sam suddenly stopped breathing and collapsed.

Within seconds he was being given CPR by Emma, support staff and first aiders Lyn Lovell and Janet Barrett and assistant deputy head Mark Chance.

Mrs Scott immediately ran to get the defibrillator – which the school had only bought a matter of months before – and Mr Neale ran outside to direct the paramedics.

The teenager had to be shocked four times to restart his heart and the team were able to get him stable enough for paramedics to get him in an ambulance and to Southampton General Hospital.

Mrs Scott told the Daily Echo: “Everything just seemed to be in slow motion but we just did everything we possibly could. The other children were just amazing and were so sensible, all leaving the gymso we could work on Sam.

“We are all still very emotional about it, but at the time you don’t think. Autopilot just sets in and you get on with what you need to do.

“It is overwhelming to think about what we did but we were all part of a team that helped to save Sam’s life.

“What is important is that we get the message out there that every single school needs a defibrillator.”

Head teacher Heather McIlroy, below, soon received a call from one of the consultants treating Sam to praise her staff, who, he said, had saved the teenager’s life.

Daily Echo:

Mrs McIlroy, who told the Daily Echo that, regrettably, Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics, said: “It is nothing short of a miracle.

“The stars had truly aligned in Sam’s favour, because not only were there three teachers in the class who knew exactly what to do, we had only had the defibrillator for a matter of months.

“What makes me so proud as a head teacher is to have the paramedics and doctors say to me that it was the swift action of my teachers that saved his life.

“It is a wonderful story of having the right equipment and the trained staff who had the courage to take action.”

She added: “The entire school community is thinking about Sam and his parents and are looking forward to getting him back.”

Since his cardiac arrest, Sam’s parents, Michael and Lynda, who have three younger sons, have held a bedside vigil.

But they also took a short time out to go to the school on Friday to personally thank all of the staff who kept their son alive.

Michael, from Romsey, added: “We just wanted to show them our gratitude.

We will never be able to repay them for what they have done, they have been amazing because they are not medical professionals, yet they did this.

“Their actions have really given us the opportunity to hope.

“We are just thankful that luck was on his side on that day because he was in the right place at the right time, with people who were trained to know what to do.

“Had he being walking home from school alone, or if the school hadn’t had a defibrillator it could have been a lot different. It is incredible and we feel so fortunate for that.”

Sam, a bright pupil who is studying for his GCSE’s, was yesterday said to be slowly waking from the coma but his dad said that it was still early days.

But Sam has always been a fighter.

When he was just ten days old, he was left fighting for his life when a virus damaged his heart, causing him to need medication for the rest of his life.

Back then his parents were warned that he would need a heart transplant by the time he was ten, but Sam proved them wrong and this is the first time his condition has caused him to suffer a cardiac arrest.

As well as praise from doctors and paramedics, the teachers at Mountbatten School, who have already ordered two more defibrillators, have also been commended by the head of education at Hampshire County Council, Councillor Peter Edgar.

Daily Echo:

He said: “I wish Sam a safe and successful recovery and am delighted that one of our schools has been complimented by the health profession that they carried out correct life-saving procedures.

“The school should be congratulated for the action they took during what must have been very traumatic circumstances.”

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8:51am Mon 10 Mar 14

SilvanDryad says...

"PE teacher being inteviewed for job saves life of teenager who had heart atatck have at Mountbatten School in Romsey "???
Use English please, Echo!
"PE teacher being inteviewed for job saves life of teenager who had heart atatck have at Mountbatten School in Romsey "??? Use English please, Echo! SilvanDryad
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8:59am Mon 10 Mar 14

massimoosti says...

"PE teacher being inteviewed for job saves life of teenager who had heart atatck have at Mountbatten School in Romsey"

It get worse by the day
"PE teacher being inteviewed for job saves life of teenager who had heart atatck have at Mountbatten School in Romsey" It get worse by the day massimoosti
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9:13am Mon 10 Mar 14

townieboy says...

Top Marks to her
Top Marks to her townieboy
  • Score: 45

9:29am Mon 10 Mar 14

hulla baloo says...

townieboy wrote:
Top Marks to her
As this thread seems to be about grammar, marks does not need a capital M.
A full stop is also required.
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: Top Marks to her[/p][/quote]As this thread seems to be about grammar, marks does not need a capital M. A full stop is also required. hulla baloo
  • Score: -14

10:29am Mon 10 Mar 14

Tony S says...

We need more defibulators, they need to be public access. Most of the people who need these are not prem footballers or school age. Most schools and sports venues refuse to let them out the building. They need to be very well signed

Well done by the way!
We need more defibulators, they need to be public access. Most of the people who need these are not prem footballers or school age. Most schools and sports venues refuse to let them out the building. They need to be very well signed Well done by the way! Tony S
  • Score: 32

11:09am Mon 10 Mar 14

From the sidelines says...

"Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics"

No good deed ever goes unpunished.
"Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics" No good deed ever goes unpunished. From the sidelines
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11:09am Mon 10 Mar 14

sotonman2012 says...

Well done for her quick thinking, also did she get the job she applied for ?
Well done for her quick thinking, also did she get the job she applied for ? sotonman2012
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11:20am Mon 10 Mar 14

S Pance says...

sotonman2012 wrote:
Well done for her quick thinking, also did she get the job she applied for ?
No, she was turned down.

What's more, her current Head teacher now knows that she's looking for another job!!
[quote][p][bold]sotonman2012[/bold] wrote: Well done for her quick thinking, also did she get the job she applied for ?[/p][/quote]No, she was turned down. What's more, her current Head teacher now knows that she's looking for another job!! S Pance
  • Score: 30

11:44am Mon 10 Mar 14

eurogordi says...

From the sidelines wrote:
"Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics"

No good deed ever goes unpunished.
So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain!
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics" No good deed ever goes unpunished.[/p][/quote]So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain! eurogordi
  • Score: 48

11:56am Mon 10 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

Tony S wrote:
We need more defibulators, they need to be public access. Most of the people who need these are not prem footballers or school age. Most schools and sports venues refuse to let them out the building. They need to be very well signed

Well done by the way!
How would a defibrillator (note spelling) have helped?
[quote][p][bold]Tony S[/bold] wrote: We need more defibulators, they need to be public access. Most of the people who need these are not prem footballers or school age. Most schools and sports venues refuse to let them out the building. They need to be very well signed Well done by the way![/p][/quote]How would a defibrillator (note spelling) have helped? gilbertratchet
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11:59am Mon 10 Mar 14

charrlee says...

S Pance wrote:
sotonman2012 wrote:
Well done for her quick thinking, also did she get the job she applied for ?
No, she was turned down.

What's more, her current Head teacher now knows that she's looking for another job!!
When a teacher applies for a new post, they are expected to give their current headteacher's name as one of two references, as a rule. Then, at some point during the interview process, if the candidate looks promising, the interviewing head phones the other. Not giving your current head's name can look very odd, even suspicious.
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonman2012[/bold] wrote: Well done for her quick thinking, also did she get the job she applied for ?[/p][/quote]No, she was turned down. What's more, her current Head teacher now knows that she's looking for another job!![/p][/quote]When a teacher applies for a new post, they are expected to give their current headteacher's name as one of two references, as a rule. Then, at some point during the interview process, if the candidate looks promising, the interviewing head phones the other. Not giving your current head's name can look very odd, even suspicious. charrlee
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12:12pm Mon 10 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

eurogordi wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics"

No good deed ever goes unpunished.
So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain!
Well, there's a selection bias at play, isn't there? She may have shown she can save lives, but only because she was given an opportunity to. Unless the school is in the habit of inducing medical emergencies during all interviews, they can't really say this sets her apart from any other candidate. I doubt she's the only teacher who knows CPR.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics" No good deed ever goes unpunished.[/p][/quote]So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain![/p][/quote]Well, there's a selection bias at play, isn't there? She may have shown she can save lives, but only because she was given an opportunity to. Unless the school is in the habit of inducing medical emergencies during all interviews, they can't really say this sets her apart from any other candidate. I doubt she's the only teacher who knows CPR. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 3

12:12pm Mon 10 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
Tony S wrote:
We need more defibulators, they need to be public access. Most of the people who need these are not prem footballers or school age. Most schools and sports venues refuse to let them out the building. They need to be very well signed

Well done by the way!
How would a defibrillator (note spelling) have helped?
Apologies, I missed the paragraph in the story that addresses this. What an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony S[/bold] wrote: We need more defibulators, they need to be public access. Most of the people who need these are not prem footballers or school age. Most schools and sports venues refuse to let them out the building. They need to be very well signed Well done by the way![/p][/quote]How would a defibrillator (note spelling) have helped?[/p][/quote]Apologies, I missed the paragraph in the story that addresses this. What an idiot. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 3

12:21pm Mon 10 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

Tony S wrote:
We need more defibulators, they need to be public access. Most of the people who need these are not prem footballers or school age. Most schools and sports venues refuse to let them out the building. They need to be very well signed

Well done by the way!
Seems to be a feeling that her life-saving actions should have automatically granted her the job. Why? She's not being hired as a "life saver" she's being hired as a teacher. She should be judged for the job on her suitability for that, and that alone. It's not like pupils are having heart attacks left right and centre at the school. It's not like she acted alone. It's not like she alone holds the ability to perform CPR.

Apply your thinking to other jobs. Apply it to a job we all like to decry as performed by useless people. Apply it to councillors. Next time you find yourself crying "How do these useless people get these jobs?" imagine that the response was "Oh, well, he administered CPR during the interview, so we felt honour-bound to give him the job on the spot".
[quote][p][bold]Tony S[/bold] wrote: We need more defibulators, they need to be public access. Most of the people who need these are not prem footballers or school age. Most schools and sports venues refuse to let them out the building. They need to be very well signed Well done by the way![/p][/quote]Seems to be a feeling that her life-saving actions should have automatically granted her the job. Why? She's not being hired as a "life saver" she's being hired as a teacher. She should be judged for the job on her suitability for that, and that alone. It's not like pupils are having heart attacks left right and centre at the school. It's not like she acted alone. It's not like she alone holds the ability to perform CPR. Apply your thinking to other jobs. Apply it to a job we all like to decry as performed by useless people. Apply it to councillors. Next time you find yourself crying "How do these useless people get these jobs?" imagine that the response was "Oh, well, he administered CPR during the interview, so we felt honour-bound to give him the job on the spot". gilbertratchet
  • Score: 9

12:22pm Mon 10 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics"

No good deed ever goes unpunished.
So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain!
Well, there's a selection bias at play, isn't there? She may have shown she can save lives, but only because she was given an opportunity to. Unless the school is in the habit of inducing medical emergencies during all interviews, they can't really say this sets her apart from any other candidate. I doubt she's the only teacher who knows CPR.
Hah. Downvotes, as usual, for having the audacity to question the Echo Moronship's ability to think it's way out of a paper bag.

Bring them on. I consider it a compliment.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics" No good deed ever goes unpunished.[/p][/quote]So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain![/p][/quote]Well, there's a selection bias at play, isn't there? She may have shown she can save lives, but only because she was given an opportunity to. Unless the school is in the habit of inducing medical emergencies during all interviews, they can't really say this sets her apart from any other candidate. I doubt she's the only teacher who knows CPR.[/p][/quote]Hah. Downvotes, as usual, for having the audacity to question the Echo Moronship's ability to think it's way out of a paper bag. Bring them on. I consider it a compliment. gilbertratchet
  • Score: -5

12:29pm Mon 10 Mar 14

charrlee says...

eurogordi wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics"

No good deed ever goes unpunished.
So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain!
I doubt if this incident panned out like some choreographed movie drama. Is it not possible that the Echo reporter "adjusted" the facts to make a good story better?
Yes, in the fantasy world of films, the hero/heroine of the day gets the job. But in the "real" world, a prospective employer is expected to offer the job to the best-performing candidate on the day. Having first aid qualifications and being able to use that in an emergency is essential for PE teachers, and ideal for all others. I have been retired for some years, so first aid training might be required of all teachers now.
It must be that, unfortunately for Ms Denham, one of the other candidates was better-qualified, and had more knowledge and experience than her. There is also the possibility that she applied for the job to get interview experience only. That is quite common.
[quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics" No good deed ever goes unpunished.[/p][/quote]So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain![/p][/quote]I doubt if this incident panned out like some choreographed movie drama. Is it not possible that the Echo reporter "adjusted" the facts to make a good story better? Yes, in the fantasy world of films, the hero/heroine of the day gets the job. But in the "real" world, a prospective employer is expected to offer the job to the best-performing candidate on the day. Having first aid qualifications and being able to use that in an emergency is essential for PE teachers, and ideal for all others. I have been retired for some years, so first aid training might be required of all teachers now. It must be that, unfortunately for Ms Denham, one of the other candidates was better-qualified, and had more knowledge and experience than her. There is also the possibility that she applied for the job to get interview experience only. That is quite common. charrlee
  • Score: 4

12:36pm Mon 10 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

charrlee wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics"

No good deed ever goes unpunished.
So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain!
I doubt if this incident panned out like some choreographed movie drama. Is it not possible that the Echo reporter "adjusted" the facts to make a good story better?
Yes, in the fantasy world of films, the hero/heroine of the day gets the job. But in the "real" world, a prospective employer is expected to offer the job to the best-performing candidate on the day. Having first aid qualifications and being able to use that in an emergency is essential for PE teachers, and ideal for all others. I have been retired for some years, so first aid training might be required of all teachers now.
It must be that, unfortunately for Ms Denham, one of the other candidates was better-qualified, and had more knowledge and experience than her. There is also the possibility that she applied for the job to get interview experience only. That is quite common.
Please stop telling the Echo readers that their posts might be less than accurate. They don't like it.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics" No good deed ever goes unpunished.[/p][/quote]So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain![/p][/quote]I doubt if this incident panned out like some choreographed movie drama. Is it not possible that the Echo reporter "adjusted" the facts to make a good story better? Yes, in the fantasy world of films, the hero/heroine of the day gets the job. But in the "real" world, a prospective employer is expected to offer the job to the best-performing candidate on the day. Having first aid qualifications and being able to use that in an emergency is essential for PE teachers, and ideal for all others. I have been retired for some years, so first aid training might be required of all teachers now. It must be that, unfortunately for Ms Denham, one of the other candidates was better-qualified, and had more knowledge and experience than her. There is also the possibility that she applied for the job to get interview experience only. That is quite common.[/p][/quote]Please stop telling the Echo readers that their posts might be less than accurate. They don't like it. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 5

1:21pm Mon 10 Mar 14

charrlee says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
charrlee wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics"

No good deed ever goes unpunished.
So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain!
I doubt if this incident panned out like some choreographed movie drama. Is it not possible that the Echo reporter "adjusted" the facts to make a good story better?
Yes, in the fantasy world of films, the hero/heroine of the day gets the job. But in the "real" world, a prospective employer is expected to offer the job to the best-performing candidate on the day. Having first aid qualifications and being able to use that in an emergency is essential for PE teachers, and ideal for all others. I have been retired for some years, so first aid training might be required of all teachers now.
It must be that, unfortunately for Ms Denham, one of the other candidates was better-qualified, and had more knowledge and experience than her. There is also the possibility that she applied for the job to get interview experience only. That is quite common.
Please stop telling the Echo readers that their posts might be less than accurate. They don't like it.
Mob rule, is it?
What happened to "I may not agree with you, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"? What happened to free speech? How can you have a full-on discussion if you have to worry about what people do and do not like? This forum is for adults, and can get quite challenging at times. As is often said : if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!
Hope that helps, Gilbert.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics" No good deed ever goes unpunished.[/p][/quote]So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain![/p][/quote]I doubt if this incident panned out like some choreographed movie drama. Is it not possible that the Echo reporter "adjusted" the facts to make a good story better? Yes, in the fantasy world of films, the hero/heroine of the day gets the job. But in the "real" world, a prospective employer is expected to offer the job to the best-performing candidate on the day. Having first aid qualifications and being able to use that in an emergency is essential for PE teachers, and ideal for all others. I have been retired for some years, so first aid training might be required of all teachers now. It must be that, unfortunately for Ms Denham, one of the other candidates was better-qualified, and had more knowledge and experience than her. There is also the possibility that she applied for the job to get interview experience only. That is quite common.[/p][/quote]Please stop telling the Echo readers that their posts might be less than accurate. They don't like it.[/p][/quote]Mob rule, is it? What happened to "I may not agree with you, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"? What happened to free speech? How can you have a full-on discussion if you have to worry about what people do and do not like? This forum is for adults, and can get quite challenging at times. As is often said : if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen! Hope that helps, Gilbert. charrlee
  • Score: -4

1:45pm Mon 10 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

charrlee wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
charrlee wrote:
eurogordi wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
"Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics"

No good deed ever goes unpunished.
So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain!
I doubt if this incident panned out like some choreographed movie drama. Is it not possible that the Echo reporter "adjusted" the facts to make a good story better?
Yes, in the fantasy world of films, the hero/heroine of the day gets the job. But in the "real" world, a prospective employer is expected to offer the job to the best-performing candidate on the day. Having first aid qualifications and being able to use that in an emergency is essential for PE teachers, and ideal for all others. I have been retired for some years, so first aid training might be required of all teachers now.
It must be that, unfortunately for Ms Denham, one of the other candidates was better-qualified, and had more knowledge and experience than her. There is also the possibility that she applied for the job to get interview experience only. That is quite common.
Please stop telling the Echo readers that their posts might be less than accurate. They don't like it.
Mob rule, is it?
What happened to "I may not agree with you, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"? What happened to free speech? How can you have a full-on discussion if you have to worry about what people do and do not like? This forum is for adults, and can get quite challenging at times. As is often said : if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!
Hope that helps, Gilbert.
Somewhere, a sarcasm detector exploded, killing millions.

Not really sure what "free speech" has to do with this, either.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]eurogordi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "Miss Denham did not get the job despite her heroics" No good deed ever goes unpunished.[/p][/quote]So what else do people have to do to be successful at interviews? Seriously, I'm wondering if someone who can save lives would be a better asset to any school than someone who just happens to be a good teacher. And how did this incident affect Miss Denham's interview performance? Mountbatten's loss will surely be another school's gain![/p][/quote]I doubt if this incident panned out like some choreographed movie drama. Is it not possible that the Echo reporter "adjusted" the facts to make a good story better? Yes, in the fantasy world of films, the hero/heroine of the day gets the job. But in the "real" world, a prospective employer is expected to offer the job to the best-performing candidate on the day. Having first aid qualifications and being able to use that in an emergency is essential for PE teachers, and ideal for all others. I have been retired for some years, so first aid training might be required of all teachers now. It must be that, unfortunately for Ms Denham, one of the other candidates was better-qualified, and had more knowledge and experience than her. There is also the possibility that she applied for the job to get interview experience only. That is quite common.[/p][/quote]Please stop telling the Echo readers that their posts might be less than accurate. They don't like it.[/p][/quote]Mob rule, is it? What happened to "I may not agree with you, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"? What happened to free speech? How can you have a full-on discussion if you have to worry about what people do and do not like? This forum is for adults, and can get quite challenging at times. As is often said : if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen! Hope that helps, Gilbert.[/p][/quote]Somewhere, a sarcasm detector exploded, killing millions. Not really sure what "free speech" has to do with this, either. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 6

2:16pm Mon 10 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Free speech : I am free to speak as I see fit, as long as there is no malicious intent.
Hope that helps, Gilbert, because help is something you appear to need. Here's some for free : think, evaluate, type. Always in that order. Try it.
Free speech : I am free to speak as I see fit, as long as there is no malicious intent. Hope that helps, Gilbert, because help is something you appear to need. Here's some for free : think, evaluate, type. Always in that order. Try it. charrlee
  • Score: -6

3:08pm Mon 10 Mar 14

St.Ray says...

Not a hero!!!! But did do a fine thing & should be praised.
Not a hero!!!! But did do a fine thing & should be praised. St.Ray
  • Score: 2

3:08pm Mon 10 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

charrlee wrote:
Free speech : I am free to speak as I see fit, as long as there is no malicious intent.
Hope that helps, Gilbert, because help is something you appear to need. Here's some for free : think, evaluate, type. Always in that order. Try it.
Nope, sorry. Free speech simply means the state will not prevent you from saying what you like. Something, by the way, we provably do not have in this country. Anyways, I digress, the freedom of speech does not oblige anyone to provide you a platform. For example, you do not have the right of free speech on the Echo website, because they pay for the servers, and quite rightly they are entitled to dictate what can and cannot be said on it.

None of which has anything to do with any other poster. I, nor any other poster, have the ability to stop you, or any other poster, saying anything. So that, too, is nothing to do with free speech.

Seems to me you don't really understand what free speech means at all. Hope this helps.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: Free speech : I am free to speak as I see fit, as long as there is no malicious intent. Hope that helps, Gilbert, because help is something you appear to need. Here's some for free : think, evaluate, type. Always in that order. Try it.[/p][/quote]Nope, sorry. Free speech simply means the state will not prevent you from saying what you like. Something, by the way, we provably do not have in this country. Anyways, I digress, the freedom of speech does not oblige anyone to provide you a platform. For example, you do not have the right of free speech on the Echo website, because they pay for the servers, and quite rightly they are entitled to dictate what can and cannot be said on it. None of which has anything to do with any other poster. I, nor any other poster, have the ability to stop you, or any other poster, saying anything. So that, too, is nothing to do with free speech. Seems to me you don't really understand what free speech means at all. Hope this helps. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 2

3:14pm Mon 10 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr
oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.
Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother. charrlee
  • Score: -1

3:29pm Mon 10 Mar 14

NewAddition says...

"NOT A HERO" .... you need your head read... saving someone's life!!!!!!!!!! Bet if it was a relation of yours you would think differently!!!!!
All praise to her not everyone could step up like that!!!!
"NOT A HERO" .... you need your head read... saving someone's life!!!!!!!!!! Bet if it was a relation of yours you would think differently!!!!! All praise to her not everyone could step up like that!!!! NewAddition
  • Score: 10

4:00pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Bassett-Mikey says...

Big shame she did not get the job, however I am surprised some of the morons making comments above have not attempted blaming her for causing it!

Well done to all of them and I wish the lad well too!!!
Big shame she did not get the job, however I am surprised some of the morons making comments above have not attempted blaming her for causing it! Well done to all of them and I wish the lad well too!!! Bassett-Mikey
  • Score: 6

5:08pm Mon 10 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Bassett-Mikey wrote:
Big shame she did not get the job, however I am surprised some of the morons making comments above have not attempted blaming her for causing it!

Well done to all of them and I wish the lad well too!!!
You are the only one who has thought of the possibility of blaming her for causing it. Freudian slip?
[quote][p][bold]Bassett-Mikey[/bold] wrote: Big shame she did not get the job, however I am surprised some of the morons making comments above have not attempted blaming her for causing it! Well done to all of them and I wish the lad well too!!![/p][/quote]You are the only one who has thought of the possibility of blaming her for causing it. Freudian slip? charrlee
  • Score: -3

6:31pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Charlie Bucket says...

charrlee wrote:
Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr

oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.
Billy!
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.[/p][/quote]Billy! Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 3

6:47pm Mon 10 Mar 14

housewife says...

A kid is in a coma and you sick muppets are arguing about grammar and recruitment policies.
.
Hundreds of kids saw the lad needing resuscitation before the helicopter took him away.
.
Hopefully he will recover.
A kid is in a coma and you sick muppets are arguing about grammar and recruitment policies. . Hundreds of kids saw the lad needing resuscitation before the helicopter took him away. . Hopefully he will recover. housewife
  • Score: 11

7:20pm Mon 10 Mar 14

charrlee says...

housewife wrote:
A kid is in a coma and you sick muppets are arguing about grammar and recruitment policies.
.
Hundreds of kids saw the lad needing resuscitation before the helicopter took him away.
.
Hopefully he will recover.
What a really stupid comment to make. A number of people will be taken ill tonight, but jokes will still be told at the tea table. The joke tellers will not be doing it to disrespect those taken ill.
You have irrationally linked unrelated events and had the temerity to insult forum contributors.
[quote][p][bold]housewife[/bold] wrote: A kid is in a coma and you sick muppets are arguing about grammar and recruitment policies. . Hundreds of kids saw the lad needing resuscitation before the helicopter took him away. . Hopefully he will recover.[/p][/quote]What a really stupid comment to make. A number of people will be taken ill tonight, but jokes will still be told at the tea table. The joke tellers will not be doing it to disrespect those taken ill. You have irrationally linked unrelated events and had the temerity to insult forum contributors. charrlee
  • Score: -5

7:26pm Mon 10 Mar 14

charrlee says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr


oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.
Billy!
Evidence or paranoia?
At a guess, I'd say you were a re-branded Stillness!

I KNOW someone called Billy. Close enough?
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.[/p][/quote]Billy![/p][/quote]Evidence or paranoia? At a guess, I'd say you were a re-branded Stillness! I KNOW someone called Billy. Close enough? charrlee
  • Score: -1

7:28pm Mon 10 Mar 14

Charlie Bucket says...

charrlee wrote:
housewife wrote:
A kid is in a coma and you sick muppets are arguing about grammar and recruitment policies.
.
Hundreds of kids saw the lad needing resuscitation before the helicopter took him away.
.
Hopefully he will recover.
What a really stupid comment to make. A number of people will be taken ill tonight, but jokes will still be told at the tea table. The joke tellers will not be doing it to disrespect those taken ill.
You have irrationally linked unrelated events and had the temerity to insult forum contributors.
We park our cars in the same garage. People love to take offence round here.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]housewife[/bold] wrote: A kid is in a coma and you sick muppets are arguing about grammar and recruitment policies. . Hundreds of kids saw the lad needing resuscitation before the helicopter took him away. . Hopefully he will recover.[/p][/quote]What a really stupid comment to make. A number of people will be taken ill tonight, but jokes will still be told at the tea table. The joke tellers will not be doing it to disrespect those taken ill. You have irrationally linked unrelated events and had the temerity to insult forum contributors.[/p][/quote]We park our cars in the same garage. People love to take offence round here. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

9:58pm Mon 10 Mar 14

housewife says...

What unrelated events did I link?

The story is about a very ill lad
he collapsed at school
teachers tried to stabilise him
the helicopter took him to hospital
he's in a coma
hopefully he'll be brought round OK
hundreds of kids found it rather distressing
What unrelated events did I link? The story is about a very ill lad he collapsed at school teachers tried to stabilise him the helicopter took him to hospital he's in a coma hopefully he'll be brought round OK hundreds of kids found it rather distressing housewife
  • Score: 2

1:32am Tue 11 Mar 14

TEBOURBA says...

I've always held the view that First Aid Training should be included as a mandatory subject in the School Curriculum for senior students in their penultimate/final year .
I'm sure many of us have witnessed an emergency situation such as this one, not knowing what to do ourselves and been thankful and relieved that there was someone on hand, properly trained, to render the correct assistance.
I've always held the view that First Aid Training should be included as a mandatory subject in the School Curriculum for senior students in their penultimate/final year . I'm sure many of us have witnessed an emergency situation such as this one, not knowing what to do ourselves and been thankful and relieved that there was someone on hand, properly trained, to render the correct assistance. TEBOURBA
  • Score: 0

1:43am Tue 11 Mar 14

charrlee says...

housewife wrote:
What unrelated events did I link?

The story is about a very ill lad
he collapsed at school
teachers tried to stabilise him
the helicopter took him to hospital
he's in a coma
hopefully he'll be brought round OK
hundreds of kids found it rather distressing
I can't find any references to grammar, so they must have been brief asides that were nothing to do with what was being said. The discussion about recruitment policies came from people thinking the girl should have been given the job as a reward for saving the child's life.

Your hysterical, unjustified and wrong-headed assessment of the discussion led you to call perfectly reasonable people "sick muppets".

This is not Twitter. This is a discussion forum. It is not a sympathy page. People talk about the main topic and any thoughts and opinions that lead off from it. Additionally, it is an open forum, so no one, apart from the site administrators, has the right to moderate what is being discussed.

Of course I, and everyone who has commented here, recognise the seriousness of the situation for the boy and his family. Of course we have deep sympathy for him and his family, and wish him a swift recovery - it goes without saying.

You have put a completely wrong interpretation on what has been said here, and owe everyone an apology for your ignorance, insensitivity and rudeness. I accept this was not malicious or intentional on your part.
[quote][p][bold]housewife[/bold] wrote: What unrelated events did I link? The story is about a very ill lad he collapsed at school teachers tried to stabilise him the helicopter took him to hospital he's in a coma hopefully he'll be brought round OK hundreds of kids found it rather distressing[/p][/quote]I can't find any references to grammar, so they must have been brief asides that were nothing to do with what was being said. The discussion about recruitment policies came from people thinking the girl should have been given the job as a reward for saving the child's life. Your hysterical, unjustified and wrong-headed assessment of the discussion led you to call perfectly reasonable people "sick muppets". This is not Twitter. This is a discussion forum. It is not a sympathy page. People talk about the main topic and any thoughts and opinions that lead off from it. Additionally, it is an open forum, so no one, apart from the site administrators, has the right to moderate what is being discussed. Of course I, and everyone who has commented here, recognise the seriousness of the situation for the boy and his family. Of course we have deep sympathy for him and his family, and wish him a swift recovery - it goes without saying. You have put a completely wrong interpretation on what has been said here, and owe everyone an apology for your ignorance, insensitivity and rudeness. I accept this was not malicious or intentional on your part. charrlee
  • Score: -2

8:12am Tue 11 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

charrlee wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr



oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.
Billy!
Evidence or paranoia?
At a guess, I'd say you were a re-branded Stillness!

I KNOW someone called Billy. Close enough?
I think he's spotted you. Hi Billy. Welcome back.
[quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.[/p][/quote]Billy![/p][/quote]Evidence or paranoia? At a guess, I'd say you were a re-branded Stillness! I KNOW someone called Billy. Close enough?[/p][/quote]I think he's spotted you. Hi Billy. Welcome back. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 2

9:40am Tue 11 Mar 14

freefinker says...

gilbertratchet wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr




oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.
Billy!
Evidence or paranoia?
At a guess, I'd say you were a re-branded Stillness!

I KNOW someone called Billy. Close enough?
I think he's spotted you. Hi Billy. Welcome back.
Yep, as I've been saying for a week now, BtK is back.
[quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.[/p][/quote]Billy![/p][/quote]Evidence or paranoia? At a guess, I'd say you were a re-branded Stillness! I KNOW someone called Billy. Close enough?[/p][/quote]I think he's spotted you. Hi Billy. Welcome back.[/p][/quote]Yep, as I've been saying for a week now, BtK is back. freefinker
  • Score: 2

11:24am Tue 11 Mar 14

gilbertratchet says...

freefinker wrote:
gilbertratchet wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
charrlee wrote:
Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr





oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.
Billy!
Evidence or paranoia?
At a guess, I'd say you were a re-branded Stillness!

I KNOW someone called Billy. Close enough?
I think he's spotted you. Hi Billy. Welcome back.
Yep, as I've been saying for a week now, BtK is back.
Heh, try as he might he can't hide his style, eh. Oh well, time will tell if he's here to wreak his usual havoc or just for a chat.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gilbertratchet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]charrlee[/bold] wrote: Yawn.....You are of the Stillness/Georgem/Fr oots School of Inconsequential Blather, and not worth the bother.[/p][/quote]Billy![/p][/quote]Evidence or paranoia? At a guess, I'd say you were a re-branded Stillness! I KNOW someone called Billy. Close enough?[/p][/quote]I think he's spotted you. Hi Billy. Welcome back.[/p][/quote]Yep, as I've been saying for a week now, BtK is back.[/p][/quote]Heh, try as he might he can't hide his style, eh. Oh well, time will tell if he's here to wreak his usual havoc or just for a chat. gilbertratchet
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Tue 11 Mar 14

charrlee says...

If I was Billy The Kid, I would not have any problem identifying myself. Why would it matter?
Watching the whole saga unfold over the years, I have personally learned one thing in particular : that on an open, anonymous forum, it is the quality of the comments that matter, not who is saying them. My own preference is for properly moderated sites, and I subscribe (I mean pay money) to two. I am enjoying joining in the conversations here at the moment because the topics are interesting, the comments are quite thought-provoking, and Southampton is my hometown.
It seems to me you miss Billy, don't you? I do. He was a vigilante with an agenda, but got banned for fighting with the "trolls". They weren't really trolls were they? Just you lot ragging on him.
Of all the BtK gang, I liked Jayne the most. But she and her friends couldn't really cope with you lot keep calling them "Billy". You guys just could not get your heads round the idea of several retired teachers having a laugh here, could you? Something to do with pride, I suppose.
Anyway, we're not really expected to go off-topic too often as it annoys readers, and quite rightly. But it was you guys who brought the matter up, not me.
Here are my personal rules of engagement :
1. Assert that the use of humour and sarcasm is not trolling.
2. Assert that disagreeing with another reader is not trolling.
3. I will always ignore Downfader unless he insults me.
4. Freefinker - please change the record.
5. And Gilbert Ratchet - least said about him, I think!
May we draw a line under this, now, please?
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If I was Billy The Kid, I would not have any problem identifying myself. Why would it matter? Watching the whole saga unfold over the years, I have personally learned one thing in particular : that on an open, anonymous forum, it is the quality of the comments that matter, not who is saying them. My own preference is for properly moderated sites, and I subscribe (I mean pay money) to two. I am enjoying joining in the conversations here at the moment because the topics are interesting, the comments are quite thought-provoking, and Southampton is my hometown. It seems to me you miss Billy, don't you? I do. He was a vigilante with an agenda, but got banned for fighting with the "trolls". They weren't really trolls were they? Just you lot ragging on him. Of all the BtK gang, I liked Jayne the most. But she and her friends couldn't really cope with you lot keep calling them "Billy". You guys just could not get your heads round the idea of several retired teachers having a laugh here, could you? Something to do with pride, I suppose. Anyway, we're not really expected to go off-topic too often as it annoys readers, and quite rightly. But it was you guys who brought the matter up, not me. Here are my personal rules of engagement : 1. Assert that the use of humour and sarcasm is not trolling. 2. Assert that disagreeing with another reader is not trolling. 3. I will always ignore Downfader unless he insults me. 4. Freefinker - please change the record. 5. And Gilbert Ratchet - least said about him, I think! May we draw a line under this, now, please? -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- ---------- charrlee
  • Score: 0

2:00pm Tue 11 Mar 14

whatwentwrongworld says...

Don't care what you lot say, she definitely should have got the job!!!!!!!!!
Don't care what you lot say, she definitely should have got the job!!!!!!!!! whatwentwrongworld
  • Score: 1

2:29pm Tue 11 Mar 14

charrlee says...

whatwentwrongworld wrote:
Don't care what you lot say, she definitely should have got the job!!!!!!!!!
You've been watching too many budget movies!

The professional world does not care what YOU say because it has to follow employment law and regulations, or suffer the consequences.
[quote][p][bold]whatwentwrongworld[/bold] wrote: Don't care what you lot say, she definitely should have got the job!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]You've been watching too many budget movies! The professional world does not care what YOU say because it has to follow employment law and regulations, or suffer the consequences. charrlee
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Thu 13 Mar 14

999medic says...

its an interesting story without a job, well done firstly to all involved you should be very proud of yours, also well done to the school for having a defibrillator onsite. Its a massive shame that all schools dont, Ive telling them for years that they should have one just in case, but always get the same answer about cost, you cant justify not spending a couple of grand if it might save a life. its the same for all big grocery shops who in my view should be taken to task for not having them, the excuse they use its about insurance, what a load of crap, you cant go wrong with them you cant shock anyone unless it tells you to. id sue you for not having them if it was my relative you may have survived if youd had one.
its an interesting story without a job, well done firstly to all involved you should be very proud of yours, also well done to the school for having a defibrillator onsite. Its a massive shame that all schools dont, Ive telling them for years that they should have one just in case, but always get the same answer about cost, you cant justify not spending a couple of grand if it might save a life. its the same for all big grocery shops who in my view should be taken to task for not having them, the excuse they use its about insurance, what a load of crap, you cant go wrong with them you cant shock anyone unless it tells you to. id sue you for not having them if it was my relative you may have survived if youd had one. 999medic
  • Score: 1

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