Southampton's Wool House could become bars and restaurant space

The Wool House in Southampton could become a bar/restaurant combination

The Wool House in Southampton could become a bar/restaurant combination

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Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

THIS is what the interior of one of Southampton’s most historic buildings could soon look like.

Bold plans to convert the Wool House in Town Quay into the city’s first brew house with bars and a restaurant have been submitted.

And if bosses at the Dancing Man Brewery, which owns the nearby Platform Tavern, are successful with their plans it could also feature the city’s first dedicated tourist information centre for two years.

As previously reported in the Daily Echo, the Grade I listed building in Town Quay was built in the 14th century.

It used to be the home of the city’s Maritime Museum but that closed due to city council budget cuts in 2012.

The brewery has reached an agreement with the city council after negotiations with the authority and community groups about its plans for the building.

If the firm’s application is successful the building will feature a working brewery, two bars and a restaurant for up to 50 diners in an open plan design, and could host weddings, gigs and exhibitions.

The ground floor would feature a tourist information centre with a glass sided lift allowing visitors to access the upper floor, and up to 30 new jobs could be created through the scheme.

Mandy Lacey-Cross from the brewery said: “We hope to breathe life back into this wonderful building and bring the historic art of brewing back to our city by creating Southampton's very first brew house.

“Not only will we have a working brewery but customers will be able to watch our brewers at work and whilst doing so can sample our fine ales and pair this with something from one of our menus.”

Daily Echo:

Stewart Cross with wife Mandy Lacey-Cross and Charlie the dog

And Stewart Cross added: “If we are successful with our application, anyone wishing just to pop in and view the building will be made very welcome.

“If they then wish to sample our wares, have a coffee or just wonder around taking photographs that’s fine by us.”

They say the designs take into account the building’s age and the fact that it is Grade I listed, and would be “totally reversible” should they wish to move out.

The application is due to be decided by the city council’s planning panel in the next two months.

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7:32am Sat 5 Apr 14

AndyAndrews says...

As long as there's continued public access for history buffs, and a tourist information bureau, and the historic fabric is undamaged, this sounds an OK plan...
As long as there's continued public access for history buffs, and a tourist information bureau, and the historic fabric is undamaged, this sounds an OK plan... AndyAndrews
  • Score: -4

7:36am Sat 5 Apr 14

Huey says...

Great idea, well done, sounds good. The city needs things like this to keep it interesting and unique. I'll be visiting if all goes ahead as planned.
Great idea, well done, sounds good. The city needs things like this to keep it interesting and unique. I'll be visiting if all goes ahead as planned. Huey
  • Score: -1

8:30am Sat 5 Apr 14

Huffter says...

That's the strangest photo of an interior I've ever seen
That's the strangest photo of an interior I've ever seen Huffter
  • Score: 28

8:36am Sat 5 Apr 14

Saint Botley says...

That all seems sensitively done to me. I could never understand the objections to this when it was first touted. This will attract visitors to one of our nicest buildings. Southampton badly under plays it's history and buildings like this should be shown off frankly. Seems like an original and respectful way to do that. Now, if we can just stop the council from blocking its view of the waterfront...
That all seems sensitively done to me. I could never understand the objections to this when it was first touted. This will attract visitors to one of our nicest buildings. Southampton badly under plays it's history and buildings like this should be shown off frankly. Seems like an original and respectful way to do that. Now, if we can just stop the council from blocking its view of the waterfront... Saint Botley
  • Score: -4

8:47am Sat 5 Apr 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

Brilliant idea; I hope it works out.
Brilliant idea; I hope it works out. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: -2

8:48am Sat 5 Apr 14

The Watcher says...

Anyone who knows Stewart, the Platform Tavern and its staff/customers will be in no doubt that this team have the right intentions with regards being sympathetic, respectful and proud of this fine building.
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They already contribute so much to the culture of the City and I wholeheartedly support this venture to breathe some life back in to a wonderful building.
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If anyone is in any doubt, pop in to the Platform Tavern of an evening to see how a once run down pub, has become a social hub, breathing life in to another historic building.
Anyone who knows Stewart, the Platform Tavern and its staff/customers will be in no doubt that this team have the right intentions with regards being sympathetic, respectful and proud of this fine building. . They already contribute so much to the culture of the City and I wholeheartedly support this venture to breathe some life back in to a wonderful building. . If anyone is in any doubt, pop in to the Platform Tavern of an evening to see how a once run down pub, has become a social hub, breathing life in to another historic building. The Watcher
  • Score: -2

8:50am Sat 5 Apr 14

loosehead says...

I said include a tourist information booth & they are so well done!
Where's the interior picture then? has the Echo boobed with it's headline?
I said include a tourist information booth & they are so well done! Where's the interior picture then? has the Echo boobed with it's headline? loosehead
  • Score: -1

10:32am Sat 5 Apr 14

issacchunt says...

It would make a good maritime museum, close to the water and close to people waiting for the ferries. Also captive for the boatshow? Parking at Mayflower park.

great idea??? If not maybe an ice-rink?
It would make a good maritime museum, close to the water and close to people waiting for the ferries. Also captive for the boatshow? Parking at Mayflower park. great idea??? If not maybe an ice-rink? issacchunt
  • Score: 11

10:57am Sat 5 Apr 14

Jonny7oma says...

I think the Platform Tavern is one of the best pubs in Southampton/Hampshir
e/UK! and I'm pleased to read that this could happen. The building in it's guise as a museum was at best mildy interesting (I've been once and I live in the city centre) but do Museums really catch the public imagination anymore? Anyway, great news and I look forward to sampling their ales in the new premises. It'll be especially nice to sit out side and wave to the tourists as they spend 2 hours of stationary traffic on their way to Dock Gate 4... and that's after the roadworks! Entrepreneurially, I can see it now, waitress service to the traffic. And finally in Southampton, we will be able to officially organise a p1ss up in a brewery! Hurrah!
I think the Platform Tavern is one of the best pubs in Southampton/Hampshir e/UK! and I'm pleased to read that this could happen. The building in it's guise as a museum was at best mildy interesting (I've been once and I live in the city centre) but do Museums really catch the public imagination anymore? Anyway, great news and I look forward to sampling their ales in the new premises. It'll be especially nice to sit out side and wave to the tourists as they spend 2 hours of stationary traffic on their way to Dock Gate 4... and that's after the roadworks! Entrepreneurially, I can see it now, waitress service to the traffic. And finally in Southampton, we will be able to officially organise a p1ss up in a brewery! Hurrah! Jonny7oma
  • Score: -9

11:01am Sat 5 Apr 14

Jesta-a-View says...

Interior..Exterior, what's in a picture?

Obviously the photo editor is out to lunch already or having the day off.
Interior..Exterior, what's in a picture? Obviously the photo editor is out to lunch already or having the day off. Jesta-a-View
  • Score: -2

11:32am Sat 5 Apr 14

killthrill says...

Great another bar no one will use.
More of southamptons history down the fkg pan
Great another bar no one will use. More of southamptons history down the fkg pan killthrill
  • Score: -6

11:51am Sat 5 Apr 14

Stuart Alderman is weird says...

killthrill wrote:
Great another bar no one will use.
More of southamptons history down the fkg pan
Great another comment no one will give a fk about.
[quote][p][bold]killthrill[/bold] wrote: Great another bar no one will use. More of southamptons history down the fkg pan[/p][/quote]Great another comment no one will give a fk about. Stuart Alderman is weird
  • Score: 5

12:33pm Sat 5 Apr 14

cantthinkofone says...

Huffter wrote:
That's the strangest photo of an interior I've ever seen
Finally, Tardis technology becomes a reality.
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: That's the strangest photo of an interior I've ever seen[/p][/quote]Finally, Tardis technology becomes a reality. cantthinkofone
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Woolston Lad says...

What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale!

This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures.

This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support.

Once they are gone, you won't get them back.
What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale! This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures. This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support. Once they are gone, you won't get them back. Woolston Lad
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Sat 5 Apr 14

mack chinnon says...

Nice picture of Charlie's richard.
Nice picture of Charlie's richard. mack chinnon
  • Score: -3

4:05pm Sat 5 Apr 14

loosehead says...

Woolston Lad wrote:
What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale!

This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures.

This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support.

Once they are gone, you won't get them back.
read the article properly it says this is a listed 1 building which means they are very limited to what they can do so this historic building will remain intact.
[quote][p][bold]Woolston Lad[/bold] wrote: What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale! This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures. This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support. Once they are gone, you won't get them back.[/p][/quote]read the article properly it says this is a listed 1 building which means they are very limited to what they can do so this historic building will remain intact. loosehead
  • Score: -5

5:02pm Sat 5 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

loosehead wrote:
Woolston Lad wrote:
What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale!

This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures.

This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support.

Once they are gone, you won't get them back.
read the article properly it says this is a listed 1 building which means they are very limited to what they can do so this historic building will remain intact.
Loosehead is right - did you even read the article? There's very strict limits on what you can do to a Grade I listed building and it's made explicit that it is fully reversible. Remember that this building was built to be a working warehouse, not a museum. It's great to think that it will be a community asset again.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston Lad[/bold] wrote: What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale! This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures. This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support. Once they are gone, you won't get them back.[/p][/quote]read the article properly it says this is a listed 1 building which means they are very limited to what they can do so this historic building will remain intact.[/p][/quote]Loosehead is right - did you even read the article? There's very strict limits on what you can do to a Grade I listed building and it's made explicit that it is fully reversible. Remember that this building was built to be a working warehouse, not a museum. It's great to think that it will be a community asset again. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: -4

6:52pm Sat 5 Apr 14

soton-mike80 says...

What a wonderful plan to breathe new life into this currently unused building.

I think restoring this building to a commercial purpose is a winning idea and would provide a fantastic place to dine, meet and socialise in one of Southampton's oldest buildings.

I have been to many events in Beaulieu Abbey and love that they use that building for a similar purpose.

I just hope that the usually negative voices don't become a chorus and stop this plan.
What a wonderful plan to breathe new life into this currently unused building. I think restoring this building to a commercial purpose is a winning idea and would provide a fantastic place to dine, meet and socialise in one of Southampton's oldest buildings. I have been to many events in Beaulieu Abbey and love that they use that building for a similar purpose. I just hope that the usually negative voices don't become a chorus and stop this plan. soton-mike80
  • Score: -2

7:35pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Huey says...

Woolston Lad wrote:
What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale!

This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures.

This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support.

Once they are gone, you won't get them back.
Settle petal!
[quote][p][bold]Woolston Lad[/bold] wrote: What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale! This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures. This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support. Once they are gone, you won't get them back.[/p][/quote]Settle petal! Huey
  • Score: -4

10:14pm Sat 5 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub.

Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap.

I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed?

Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House.

The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy.
Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub. Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap. I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed? Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House. The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy. sotonboy84
  • Score: 6

10:19pm Sat 5 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Woolston Lad wrote:
What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale!

This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures.

This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support.

Once they are gone, you won't get them back.
Give the council & this ridiculous 'brewery' a chance & then yes.

Just to note, it seems that like the last time this story was published on the DE, the brewery & their friends comment on here to promote their pub & thumbs down anybody that objects. And this is the people that are applying to take over one of the city's finest building. Worrying.
[quote][p][bold]Woolston Lad[/bold] wrote: What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale! This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures. This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support. Once they are gone, you won't get them back.[/p][/quote]Give the council & this ridiculous 'brewery' a chance & then yes. Just to note, it seems that like the last time this story was published on the DE, the brewery & their friends comment on here to promote their pub & thumbs down anybody that objects. And this is the people that are applying to take over one of the city's finest building. Worrying. sotonboy84
  • Score: 6

11:05pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Eco-art says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub.

Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap.

I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed?

Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House.

The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy.
Alex, I'm not sure if you have read the article. They seem to be saying that people would be welcome to wander around the building and take photos without spending any money in their establishment. Seems fairly inclusive.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub. Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap. I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed? Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House. The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy.[/p][/quote]Alex, I'm not sure if you have read the article. They seem to be saying that people would be welcome to wander around the building and take photos without spending any money in their establishment. Seems fairly inclusive. Eco-art
  • Score: -8

11:17pm Sat 5 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Eco-art wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub.

Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap.

I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed?

Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House.

The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy.
Alex, I'm not sure if you have read the article. They seem to be saying that people would be welcome to wander around the building and take photos without spending any money in their establishment. Seems fairly inclusive.
Wow, before their application has been decided they're saying people can look around the building, that belongs to the city already. Wow.

You miss the point. The building is one of the most important & historic buildings in the city. It was a free museum until 2012 & was very successfully run as a community space last year with no cost to the council. It opened the building up to anybody & was open to the widest possible audience. This is what an important city building should be doing.

A community space would be run for the community whether it be art, cultural groups or available as a venue for weddings etc. it would be run (as previously proven) on a not for profit basis for the benefit of the city. Running the building on this basis would also make it available to apply for grants & funding for improvements & restoration.

A pub is a pub, driven by profits & has a limited audience when you take away children, those that don't drink alcohol because of religious beliefs, health or out of choice etc. the audience is very limited.

How is a pub inclusive??
[quote][p][bold]Eco-art[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub. Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap. I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed? Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House. The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy.[/p][/quote]Alex, I'm not sure if you have read the article. They seem to be saying that people would be welcome to wander around the building and take photos without spending any money in their establishment. Seems fairly inclusive.[/p][/quote]Wow, before their application has been decided they're saying people can look around the building, that belongs to the city already. Wow. You miss the point. The building is one of the most important & historic buildings in the city. It was a free museum until 2012 & was very successfully run as a community space last year with no cost to the council. It opened the building up to anybody & was open to the widest possible audience. This is what an important city building should be doing. A community space would be run for the community whether it be art, cultural groups or available as a venue for weddings etc. it would be run (as previously proven) on a not for profit basis for the benefit of the city. Running the building on this basis would also make it available to apply for grants & funding for improvements & restoration. A pub is a pub, driven by profits & has a limited audience when you take away children, those that don't drink alcohol because of religious beliefs, health or out of choice etc. the audience is very limited. How is a pub inclusive?? sotonboy84
  • Score: 9

11:42pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Eco-art says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Eco-art wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub.

Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap.

I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed?

Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House.

The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy.
Alex, I'm not sure if you have read the article. They seem to be saying that people would be welcome to wander around the building and take photos without spending any money in their establishment. Seems fairly inclusive.
Wow, before their application has been decided they're saying people can look around the building, that belongs to the city already. Wow.

You miss the point. The building is one of the most important & historic buildings in the city. It was a free museum until 2012 & was very successfully run as a community space last year with no cost to the council. It opened the building up to anybody & was open to the widest possible audience. This is what an important city building should be doing.

A community space would be run for the community whether it be art, cultural groups or available as a venue for weddings etc. it would be run (as previously proven) on a not for profit basis for the benefit of the city. Running the building on this basis would also make it available to apply for grants & funding for improvements & restoration.

A pub is a pub, driven by profits & has a limited audience when you take away children, those that don't drink alcohol because of religious beliefs, health or out of choice etc. the audience is very limited.

How is a pub inclusive??
I disagree, some people can be very put off by art too unfortunately. I'm not agreeing with it, but we are unlikely to find any one thing that appeals to all.

Sarcasm isn't going to strengthen your argument and I don't think that creating no profit for the benefit of the city is either. The art group point isn't really relevant to the application as it is not about one option or the other. This is the successful option for the bid that has now gone through to the next phase.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eco-art[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub. Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap. I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed? Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House. The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy.[/p][/quote]Alex, I'm not sure if you have read the article. They seem to be saying that people would be welcome to wander around the building and take photos without spending any money in their establishment. Seems fairly inclusive.[/p][/quote]Wow, before their application has been decided they're saying people can look around the building, that belongs to the city already. Wow. You miss the point. The building is one of the most important & historic buildings in the city. It was a free museum until 2012 & was very successfully run as a community space last year with no cost to the council. It opened the building up to anybody & was open to the widest possible audience. This is what an important city building should be doing. A community space would be run for the community whether it be art, cultural groups or available as a venue for weddings etc. it would be run (as previously proven) on a not for profit basis for the benefit of the city. Running the building on this basis would also make it available to apply for grants & funding for improvements & restoration. A pub is a pub, driven by profits & has a limited audience when you take away children, those that don't drink alcohol because of religious beliefs, health or out of choice etc. the audience is very limited. How is a pub inclusive??[/p][/quote]I disagree, some people can be very put off by art too unfortunately. I'm not agreeing with it, but we are unlikely to find any one thing that appeals to all. Sarcasm isn't going to strengthen your argument and I don't think that creating no profit for the benefit of the city is either. The art group point isn't really relevant to the application as it is not about one option or the other. This is the successful option for the bid that has now gone through to the next phase. Eco-art
  • Score: -5

12:05am Sun 6 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Eco-art wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Eco-art wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub.

Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap.

I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed?

Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House.

The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy.
Alex, I'm not sure if you have read the article. They seem to be saying that people would be welcome to wander around the building and take photos without spending any money in their establishment. Seems fairly inclusive.
Wow, before their application has been decided they're saying people can look around the building, that belongs to the city already. Wow.

You miss the point. The building is one of the most important & historic buildings in the city. It was a free museum until 2012 & was very successfully run as a community space last year with no cost to the council. It opened the building up to anybody & was open to the widest possible audience. This is what an important city building should be doing.

A community space would be run for the community whether it be art, cultural groups or available as a venue for weddings etc. it would be run (as previously proven) on a not for profit basis for the benefit of the city. Running the building on this basis would also make it available to apply for grants & funding for improvements & restoration.

A pub is a pub, driven by profits & has a limited audience when you take away children, those that don't drink alcohol because of religious beliefs, health or out of choice etc. the audience is very limited.

How is a pub inclusive??
I disagree, some people can be very put off by art too unfortunately. I'm not agreeing with it, but we are unlikely to find any one thing that appeals to all.

Sarcasm isn't going to strengthen your argument and I don't think that creating no profit for the benefit of the city is either. The art group point isn't really relevant to the application as it is not about one option or the other. This is the successful option for the bid that has now gone through to the next phase.
It's not just about art. The building was run by an arts group but importantly it was a community space open to all. It could be used by anybody be it an arts group, a school or as I said, a wedding venue. The important point is it was open to the widest possible audience, something this pub application cannot compete with.

So how is a small revenue from the building of benefit to the city compared to the loss of the building? Did you know the brewery have asked for a long rent-free period? I'm sure you do. Surely a community space that is of no cost to the the council is more important for the people of the city, even more so considering the closures & reduced opening hours of various groups, museums & other places of culture in the city. The loss of the building considering it's proven success is far greater than any rental revenue the council could receive at some point. A council after all is elected to run a city & it's assesses for the benefit of the people & it's not running a private company.

There is no sarcasm in my comment, I'm sorry you can't see the points I'm making. You're obviously a supporter of the brewery as you quoted my name & you would only know that from the Wool House Facebook group that those from the brewery have been going out of their way to belittle so please don't hide under any other guise.
[quote][p][bold]Eco-art[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eco-art[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: Hideous idea. A grade I listed building being used for a pub!! This important building belongs to the city & should be kept open to the city, not used as a pretty backdrop for a commercial venture/pub. Looked at the plans & one seriously questions if the architect realises the importance of the building as they're insensitive, clumsy & cheap. I think the owners overlook the success the arts group made of the building so they're not breathing 'new life' into it at all. Rather arrogant considering how many hundreds of years it's been standing. Because of thecontroversy surrounding this application, I wonder how welcome a non-paying customer would be if this silly application was ever passed? Passing this building to a profit-driven venture & taking it away from the city would be a short-sighted move & deny the people of the city access to one of the city's most important buildings. Using the building for community space, whatever that may be would open it up to the widest possible audience & would then be able to apply for a large number of grants & funding for restoration work. Just like the Tudor House. The only benefit a pub would be to the area would be to the bank balance of the brewery but the loss of the building to the city would be a tragedy.[/p][/quote]Alex, I'm not sure if you have read the article. They seem to be saying that people would be welcome to wander around the building and take photos without spending any money in their establishment. Seems fairly inclusive.[/p][/quote]Wow, before their application has been decided they're saying people can look around the building, that belongs to the city already. Wow. You miss the point. The building is one of the most important & historic buildings in the city. It was a free museum until 2012 & was very successfully run as a community space last year with no cost to the council. It opened the building up to anybody & was open to the widest possible audience. This is what an important city building should be doing. A community space would be run for the community whether it be art, cultural groups or available as a venue for weddings etc. it would be run (as previously proven) on a not for profit basis for the benefit of the city. Running the building on this basis would also make it available to apply for grants & funding for improvements & restoration. A pub is a pub, driven by profits & has a limited audience when you take away children, those that don't drink alcohol because of religious beliefs, health or out of choice etc. the audience is very limited. How is a pub inclusive??[/p][/quote]I disagree, some people can be very put off by art too unfortunately. I'm not agreeing with it, but we are unlikely to find any one thing that appeals to all. Sarcasm isn't going to strengthen your argument and I don't think that creating no profit for the benefit of the city is either. The art group point isn't really relevant to the application as it is not about one option or the other. This is the successful option for the bid that has now gone through to the next phase.[/p][/quote]It's not just about art. The building was run by an arts group but importantly it was a community space open to all. It could be used by anybody be it an arts group, a school or as I said, a wedding venue. The important point is it was open to the widest possible audience, something this pub application cannot compete with. So how is a small revenue from the building of benefit to the city compared to the loss of the building? Did you know the brewery have asked for a long rent-free period? I'm sure you do. Surely a community space that is of no cost to the the council is more important for the people of the city, even more so considering the closures & reduced opening hours of various groups, museums & other places of culture in the city. The loss of the building considering it's proven success is far greater than any rental revenue the council could receive at some point. A council after all is elected to run a city & it's assesses for the benefit of the people & it's not running a private company. There is no sarcasm in my comment, I'm sorry you can't see the points I'm making. You're obviously a supporter of the brewery as you quoted my name & you would only know that from the Wool House Facebook group that those from the brewery have been going out of their way to belittle so please don't hide under any other guise. sotonboy84
  • Score: 8

12:13am Sun 6 Apr 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Huey wrote:
Great idea, well done, sounds good. The city needs things like this to keep it interesting and unique. I'll be visiting if all goes ahead as planned.
I think this could be a good idea.I recently visited an in house brewery venue between Lincoln and Newark.Their website www.pheasantry brewery.co.uk is well worth checking out as an example of how this could look,as it is tastefully incorporated into a farm building.
[quote][p][bold]Huey[/bold] wrote: Great idea, well done, sounds good. The city needs things like this to keep it interesting and unique. I'll be visiting if all goes ahead as planned.[/p][/quote]I think this could be a good idea.I recently visited an in house brewery venue between Lincoln and Newark.Their website www.pheasantry brewery.co.uk is well worth checking out as an example of how this could look,as it is tastefully incorporated into a farm building. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -3

12:22am Sun 6 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

One other point... Doesn't the platform tavern have some sort of brewery already? If so, how is their new proposal anything new?

Do they propose to expand into the Wool House & eventually close the platform tavern so actually no new jobs are created? Would explain the business duplication.
One other point... Doesn't the platform tavern have some sort of brewery already? If so, how is their new proposal anything new? Do they propose to expand into the Wool House & eventually close the platform tavern so actually no new jobs are created? Would explain the business duplication. sotonboy84
  • Score: 5

7:58am Sun 6 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

I think it would be ideal for storing wool.
I think it would be ideal for storing wool. good-gosh
  • Score: 14

10:50am Sun 6 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

Woolston Lad wrote:
What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale!

This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures.

This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support.

Once they are gone, you won't get them back.
Once you finish your moaning, your suggestion for the building would be?......
[quote][p][bold]Woolston Lad[/bold] wrote: What a dreadful idea. We should cherrish our historic buildings not turn them into pubs and restaurants. What next "Tudor Merchants Hall" and perhaps even "Tudor House". This is vandalism on a large scale! This goes hand in hand with selling off the art treasures. This sort of thing makes me really angry, and the council would certain;y not get my support. Once they are gone, you won't get them back.[/p][/quote]Once you finish your moaning, your suggestion for the building would be?...... elvisimo
  • Score: -6

1:53pm Wed 9 Apr 14

sotonmusical says...

Great. The Platform Tavern already proven themselves with their years of contribution to community and creativity, and now with their positive proposals, plans & openness to considering ideas. The opposition seem to have proven themselves very well as negative ranters & protestors.
The sad thing about the protests is that their conduct gives local artists and pop-up organisations a bad name.
Great. The Platform Tavern already proven themselves with their years of contribution to community and creativity, and now with their positive proposals, plans & openness to considering ideas. The opposition seem to have proven themselves very well as negative ranters & protestors. The sad thing about the protests is that their conduct gives local artists and pop-up organisations a bad name. sotonmusical
  • Score: -2

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