Culture Secretary and Hampshire MP Maria Miller resigns over expenses row

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HAMPSHIRE MP Maria Miller has resigned as Culture Secretary, Downing Street said this morning.

In a letter to Prime Minister David Cameron, Mrs Miller, the Basingstoke MP, said the controversy over her expenses ''has become a distraction from the vital work this Government is doing''.

Prime Minister David Cameron said he was ''sad'' at the circumstances of her departure and hoped she could make a return ''in due course'' but was accepting her resignation.

It follows days of mounting public and political pressure on the MP to quit and signs she was losing support among Tory colleagues despite Mr Cameron's backing.

In her resignation letter, the Basingstoke MP told Mr Cameron she was ''very grateful'' for his personal support.

''But it has become clear to me that the present situation has become a distraction from the vital work this Government is doing to turn our country around,'' she added.

She defended her work on press regulation - which allies have suggested has resulted in a media ''witch hunt'' against her.

''Of course, implementing the recommendations made by Lord Justice Leveson on the future of media regulation, following the phone hacking scandals, would always be controversial for the press,'' she wrote.

''Working together with you, I believe we struck the right balance between protecting the freedom of the press and ensuring fairness, particularly for victims of press intrusion, to have a clear right of redress.''

Mr Cameron told her it was ''important to be clear that the Committee on Standards cleared you of the unfounded allegations made against you, a point which has been lost in much of the comment in recent days''.

The standards committee ordered her to repay £5,800 in overclaimed mortgage interest and say sorry on the floor of the House - an apology which has been widely criticised for its tone and brevity.

''As you leave the Government, you should be proud of your service on the Frontbench and in Opposition,'' Mr Cameron said - including steering through gay marriage and press regulation.

''I am personally very grateful for the support you have always given me, and which I am sure that you will continue to give.

''I hope that you will be able to return to serving the Government on the Frontbench in due course, and am only sad that you are leaving the Government in these circumstances.''

Read Maria Miller's resignation letter and Prime Minister David Cameron's reply in full.

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7:36am Wed 9 Apr 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Got caught , so now WALK . another conning CON .
Got caught , so now WALK . another conning CON . SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 12

7:43am Wed 9 Apr 14

AndyAndrews says...

Fully supported by Cameron, this shameless woman has only resigned as a result of public opinion threatening Tory votes.
Fully supported by Cameron, this shameless woman has only resigned as a result of public opinion threatening Tory votes. AndyAndrews
  • Score: 15

8:09am Wed 9 Apr 14

rudolph_hucker says...

ah haha haha bye bye!
ah haha haha bye bye! rudolph_hucker
  • Score: 7

8:17am Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Got caught , so now WALK . another conning CON .
Remind me, which party was in power when the expenses scandal broke?
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Got caught , so now WALK . another conning CON .[/p][/quote]Remind me, which party was in power when the expenses scandal broke? Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 5

8:18am Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

AndyAndrews wrote:
Fully supported by Cameron, this shameless woman has only resigned as a result of public opinion threatening Tory votes.
And I'm fine with that. Seems we may have some small influence after all.
[quote][p][bold]AndyAndrews[/bold] wrote: Fully supported by Cameron, this shameless woman has only resigned as a result of public opinion threatening Tory votes.[/p][/quote]And I'm fine with that. Seems we may have some small influence after all. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 11

8:36am Wed 9 Apr 14

skeptik says...

This should not become a party issue the whole system is broken. We have had the usual script for the latest farce, denials, admission, the result of an appointed board, then overturned by the old pals act. They are now saying the system was at fault - many just thought it was the acts of dishonesty. We move on to, witch hunt and they are out to get the MP/minister because of their views the acts of dishonesty are brushed aside. Finally the MP/minister is a good MP and has blah. blah. Slapped wrist a few months in the wings and then back in harness as a 'talented member of the team'. Lawes on the radio yesterday blamed the system where MPs sit in judgment on each other - he is back in office because?
This should not become a party issue the whole system is broken. We have had the usual script for the latest farce, denials, admission, the result of an appointed board, then overturned by the old pals act. They are now saying the system was at fault - many just thought it was the acts of dishonesty. We move on to, witch hunt and they are out to get the MP/minister because of their views the acts of dishonesty are brushed aside. Finally the MP/minister is a good MP and has blah. blah. Slapped wrist a few months in the wings and then back in harness as a 'talented member of the team'. Lawes on the radio yesterday blamed the system where MPs sit in judgment on each other - he is back in office because? skeptik
  • Score: 11

8:49am Wed 9 Apr 14

Linesman says...

By supporting her, Cameron was condoning what she had done. This, in my opinion, shows a total lack of judgement on his part. He should have taken decisive action and sacked her, not let her resign.

Perhaps he will now take action to see that more than the current £6,000 is recovered.
By supporting her, Cameron was condoning what she had done. This, in my opinion, shows a total lack of judgement on his part. He should have taken decisive action and sacked her, not let her resign. Perhaps he will now take action to see that more than the current £6,000 is recovered. Linesman
  • Score: 3

9:39am Wed 9 Apr 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Got caught , so now WALK . another conning CON .
Remind me, which party was in power when the expenses scandal broke?
It matters NOT , which party were in GOVERNMENT at the time of the SCANDAL . The issue is that its STILL CONTINUING . No excuse , its FRAUD and ANYONE fiddling , should pay .
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Got caught , so now WALK . another conning CON .[/p][/quote]Remind me, which party was in power when the expenses scandal broke?[/p][/quote]It matters NOT , which party were in GOVERNMENT at the time of the SCANDAL . The issue is that its STILL CONTINUING . No excuse , its FRAUD and ANYONE fiddling , should pay . SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 12

9:43am Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
SPIKEISLANDTRADER wrote:
Got caught , so now WALK . another conning CON .
Remind me, which party was in power when the expenses scandal broke?
It matters NOT , which party were in GOVERNMENT at the time of the SCANDAL . The issue is that its STILL CONTINUING . No excuse , its FRAUD and ANYONE fiddling , should pay .
I fully agree. Which is why I question your pointing out that she is a Tory MP.
[quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SPIKEISLANDTRADER[/bold] wrote: Got caught , so now WALK . another conning CON .[/p][/quote]Remind me, which party was in power when the expenses scandal broke?[/p][/quote]It matters NOT , which party were in GOVERNMENT at the time of the SCANDAL . The issue is that its STILL CONTINUING . No excuse , its FRAUD and ANYONE fiddling , should pay .[/p][/quote]I fully agree. Which is why I question your pointing out that she is a Tory MP. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 6

9:57am Wed 9 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Fiddling expenses.
.
Male Rape trial
.
Rent boys
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Communication director charged with phone hacking.
.
Four short years of the Tories
Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 7

10:04am Wed 9 Apr 14

Maine Lobster says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses.
.
Male Rape trial
.
Rent boys
.
Communication director charged with phone hacking.
.
Four short years of the Tories
You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 8

10:27am Wed 9 Apr 14

Kingontail says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses.
.
Male Rape trial
.
Rent boys
.
Communication director charged with phone hacking.
.
Four short years of the Tories
Ron Davies and his badger watching, Tessa Jowell and her dodgy mortgages and, a bit of cash for Honours - they are all the same , no matter what party....
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]Ron Davies and his badger watching, Tessa Jowell and her dodgy mortgages and, a bit of cash for Honours - they are all the same , no matter what party.... Kingontail
  • Score: 9

10:27am Wed 9 Apr 14

Carpe Diem says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses.
.
Male Rape trial
.
Rent boys
.
Communication director charged with phone hacking.
.
Four short years of the Tories
You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc!
Didn't the bank bail out happen under the last labour government ? The main point is that they are all the same. They live in a separate world paid for by the rest of us. Take a look at Cameron's expenses claims - £1700 a month on mortgage payments on his second home. IPSA said that Miller should pay back over £40k - it was a committee of her fellow MPs who said she only had to pay back £5k. The only thing these leeches need is your vote. Once they have that you do not matter to them.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc![/p][/quote]Didn't the bank bail out happen under the last labour government ? The main point is that they are all the same. They live in a separate world paid for by the rest of us. Take a look at Cameron's expenses claims - £1700 a month on mortgage payments on his second home. IPSA said that Miller should pay back over £40k - it was a committee of her fellow MPs who said she only had to pay back £5k. The only thing these leeches need is your vote. Once they have that you do not matter to them. Carpe Diem
  • Score: 10

10:28am Wed 9 Apr 14

skeptik says...

The problem moves to the local party and what decisions they make and how long they take to make them.
The problem moves to the local party and what decisions they make and how long they take to make them. skeptik
  • Score: 6

10:33am Wed 9 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Kingontail wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses.
.
Male Rape trial
.
Rent boys
.
Communication director charged with phone hacking.
.
Four short years of the Tories
Ron Davies and his badger watching, Tessa Jowell and her dodgy mortgages and, a bit of cash for Honours - they are all the same , no matter what party....
Tar them all with the same brush, birds of a feather and all that, can you imagine the Tory furore if she had been a Labour MP, they would have gone into melt down much sooner than what has happened here! Now how about finding some skeletons in the UKIP cupboard, I am sure there must be some.
[quote][p][bold]Kingontail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]Ron Davies and his badger watching, Tessa Jowell and her dodgy mortgages and, a bit of cash for Honours - they are all the same , no matter what party....[/p][/quote]Tar them all with the same brush, birds of a feather and all that, can you imagine the Tory furore if she had been a Labour MP, they would have gone into melt down much sooner than what has happened here! Now how about finding some skeletons in the UKIP cupboard, I am sure there must be some. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

10:51am Wed 9 Apr 14

reeferman says...

The greedy cow has at last done the decent thing, good riddance, now let the media do a hatchet job on that gobby bloke from ukip.Rant over.
The greedy cow has at last done the decent thing, good riddance, now let the media do a hatchet job on that gobby bloke from ukip.Rant over. reeferman
  • Score: 3

11:00am Wed 9 Apr 14

Whatalovelyday says...

Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed.

As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ??

None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers>
Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed. As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ?? None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers> Whatalovelyday
  • Score: 10

11:05am Wed 9 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories
Tony Blair war criminal

Billions of taxpayers money lost on the cheap sell off of gold reserves

Opening borders/ Uncapped immigration

Spent/borrowed too much which recked the economy (at Labour's own admission)

Encouraging a welfare dependent state with no way out

To name just a few catastrophic errors...
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]Tony Blair war criminal Billions of taxpayers money lost on the cheap sell off of gold reserves Opening borders/ Uncapped immigration Spent/borrowed too much which recked the economy (at Labour's own admission) Encouraging a welfare dependent state with no way out To name just a few catastrophic errors... sotonboy84
  • Score: 5

11:11am Wed 9 Apr 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

skeptik wrote:
The problem moves to the local party and what decisions they make and how long they take to make them.
Yeah, I was wondering on this too. As much as it appals me, It seems as if Basingstoke now presents an ideal opportunity for a spectacular breakthrough for UKIP. I will watch next month's local council election results in this former Tory stronghold with considerable interest.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: The problem moves to the local party and what decisions they make and how long they take to make them.[/p][/quote]Yeah, I was wondering on this too. As much as it appals me, It seems as if Basingstoke now presents an ideal opportunity for a spectacular breakthrough for UKIP. I will watch next month's local council election results in this former Tory stronghold with considerable interest. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 6

11:18am Wed 9 Apr 14

Jesta-a-View says...

Overwhelming public opinion seems to consider Maria Miller a thief and yet our illustrious PM, Cameron..."hopes she will be able to return in due course"

Is this guy for real?

PR PM he maybe but statesman he is not and it is no surprise, given his sheltered background, he has the judgement of a Buffoon.

I guess that is all we can expect from a jumped up Hooray Henry in over his head!
Overwhelming public opinion seems to consider Maria Miller a thief and yet our illustrious PM, Cameron..."hopes she will be able to return in due course" Is this guy for real? PR PM he maybe but statesman he is not and it is no surprise, given his sheltered background, he has the judgement of a Buffoon. I guess that is all we can expect from a jumped up Hooray Henry in over his head! Jesta-a-View
  • Score: 5

11:26am Wed 9 Apr 14

Outside of the Box says...

She only had a year left as a Cabinet member anyway, another Tory with it's big fat, filthy rich nose in the trough of taxpayers money.
She only had a year left as a Cabinet member anyway, another Tory with it's big fat, filthy rich nose in the trough of taxpayers money. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 6

11:46am Wed 9 Apr 14

forest hump says...

Why are people trying to blame individual parties? The issue is endemic and they are all corrupt. Rotten to the core. The whole MP reward/benefit system is an incestuous farce. As are all governmental systems. Honesty is driven by infallible accountability. A feature which is yet to be demonstrated by all at the Palace of Westminster.
Why are people trying to blame individual parties? The issue is endemic and they are all corrupt. Rotten to the core. The whole MP reward/benefit system is an incestuous farce. As are all governmental systems. Honesty is driven by infallible accountability. A feature which is yet to be demonstrated by all at the Palace of Westminster. forest hump
  • Score: 6

12:17pm Wed 9 Apr 14

peasant says...

I'd highly recommend people take a look at the parliamentary-standa
rds dot org dot uk website and see what expenses our MPs are claiming. It's really quick and easy to use and oh so revealing!
I'd highly recommend people take a look at the parliamentary-standa rds dot org dot uk website and see what expenses our MPs are claiming. It's really quick and easy to use and oh so revealing! peasant
  • Score: 6

12:34pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Missdoyle says...

She should have been sacked at least then maybe abit of faith would have been put back into our government that way but just shows how little they care and how out of touch they are.. That she resigned and Cameron wanted her to stay
She should have been sacked at least then maybe abit of faith would have been put back into our government that way but just shows how little they care and how out of touch they are.. That she resigned and Cameron wanted her to stay Missdoyle
  • Score: 5

12:34pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses.
.
Male Rape trial
.
Rent boys
.
Communication director charged with phone hacking.
.
Four short years of the Tories
You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc!
You understand, I'm sure, that bailing out the banks was a far preferable option to not bailing them out?
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc![/p][/quote]You understand, I'm sure, that bailing out the banks was a far preferable option to not bailing them out? Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

reeferman wrote:
The greedy cow has at last done the decent thing, good riddance, now let the media do a hatchet job on that gobby bloke from ukip.Rant over.
I expect the letter accepting her resignation was sent first. I don't for one moment believe she's done the right thing, I think she was pushed. End result is the same, of course.
[quote][p][bold]reeferman[/bold] wrote: The greedy cow has at last done the decent thing, good riddance, now let the media do a hatchet job on that gobby bloke from ukip.Rant over.[/p][/quote]I expect the letter accepting her resignation was sent first. I don't for one moment believe she's done the right thing, I think she was pushed. End result is the same, of course. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 3

12:39pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Whatalovelyday wrote:
Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed.

As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ??

None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers>
Completely agree. I'm more than happy for there to be even luxurious accommodation provided for MPs to live in whilst at parliament. Give 'em a swimming pool, private jacuzzis, the lot for all I care. Just stop them abusing privilege like this.
[quote][p][bold]Whatalovelyday[/bold] wrote: Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed. As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ?? None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers>[/p][/quote]Completely agree. I'm more than happy for there to be even luxurious accommodation provided for MPs to live in whilst at parliament. Give 'em a swimming pool, private jacuzzis, the lot for all I care. Just stop them abusing privilege like this. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 3

12:42pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

forest hump wrote:
Why are people trying to blame individual parties? The issue is endemic and they are all corrupt. Rotten to the core. The whole MP reward/benefit system is an incestuous farce. As are all governmental systems. Honesty is driven by infallible accountability. A feature which is yet to be demonstrated by all at the Palace of Westminster.
Quite. Pay them more, provide services such as London accommodation and transport for them, eliminate the need for them to claim expenses and yes, make them absolutely accountable.

As long as there are avenues for them to surreptitiously earn from their post, they will do. As would most of us, if we were afforded it. We all like to take advantage of the system where we can, MPs aren't immune to it. So close the holes in that system.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Why are people trying to blame individual parties? The issue is endemic and they are all corrupt. Rotten to the core. The whole MP reward/benefit system is an incestuous farce. As are all governmental systems. Honesty is driven by infallible accountability. A feature which is yet to be demonstrated by all at the Palace of Westminster.[/p][/quote]Quite. Pay them more, provide services such as London accommodation and transport for them, eliminate the need for them to claim expenses and yes, make them absolutely accountable. As long as there are avenues for them to surreptitiously earn from their post, they will do. As would most of us, if we were afforded it. We all like to take advantage of the system where we can, MPs aren't immune to it. So close the holes in that system. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 4

12:43pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Missdoyle wrote:
She should have been sacked at least then maybe abit of faith would have been put back into our government that way but just shows how little they care and how out of touch they are.. That she resigned and Cameron wanted her to stay
I strongly suspect she was sacked. This is just a face-saving exercise. "Look! MPs are honest in the end!"
[quote][p][bold]Missdoyle[/bold] wrote: She should have been sacked at least then maybe abit of faith would have been put back into our government that way but just shows how little they care and how out of touch they are.. That she resigned and Cameron wanted her to stay[/p][/quote]I strongly suspect she was sacked. This is just a face-saving exercise. "Look! MPs are honest in the end!" Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 5

12:45pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeyondImagination says...

Clearly future prime minister material!
Clearly future prime minister material! BeyondImagination
  • Score: 5

12:54pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Bagamn says...

Instead of the Parliamentary Parties parachuting their own candidates into a seat up for election, why not make it a rule that candidates are from the local area. This may cut down on expenses and make sure that they represent the local people. Someone from north of Watford is not really interested in something in Sholing or Shirley. They are paid to pander to the Leader of their party. If you want true representation, vote for a local person, not an import from London office.
Instead of the Parliamentary Parties parachuting their own candidates into a seat up for election, why not make it a rule that candidates are from the local area. This may cut down on expenses and make sure that they represent the local people. Someone from north of Watford is not really interested in something in Sholing or Shirley. They are paid to pander to the Leader of their party. If you want true representation, vote for a local person, not an import from London office. Bagamn
  • Score: 7

1:00pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Shoong says...

When are people going to get their heads 'round is was the banks that were punished and not bankers..?
When are people going to get their heads 'round is was the banks that were punished and not bankers..? Shoong
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Shoong wrote:
When are people going to get their heads 'round is was the banks that were punished and not bankers..?
Never. The public-at-large are unable to distinguish between banks and bankers, and also between people who work at banks and are responsible for the crisis, and those who work at banks and were, for example, mere cashiers, or cleaning staff. It's all just "bankers".
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: When are people going to get their heads 'round is was the banks that were punished and not bankers..?[/p][/quote]Never. The public-at-large are unable to distinguish between banks and bankers, and also between people who work at banks and are responsible for the crisis, and those who work at banks and were, for example, mere cashiers, or cleaning staff. It's all just "bankers". Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 3

1:23pm Wed 9 Apr 14

ssnaked23 says...

I was amused and incensed by the government's response to the petitions being signed about Millar and that she should resign-see below quote from Evening Standard :-

"Dozens of petitions calling for Mrs Miller to resign have been rejected from the official government website.
The e-petitions site lists around 60 proposed titles appealing for people to condemn the minister, but gives various reason why they cannot be hosted - including that it is a "party political" issue and a matter for the parliamentary authorities.
Labour MP Ian Mearns told the Morning Star newspaper: "It seems disgraceful in a democracy that over 60 petitions have been blocked. There should be an opportunity for people to voice their concerns."
A petition on the change.org website urging Mrs Miller repay £45,000 or quit has now attracted nearly 180,000 signatures."

I trust that if she fails to pay the money back as already state she has committed fraud and should therefore be investigated by the police. If it was you or me we would have been subjected to police investigation long before it became public knowledge. As they say you do the crime then do the time. Its the case of another professional politician who is out of touch with reality and is in it for their own gain and not for their constituents whose money she has embezzled.
I was amused and incensed by the government's response to the petitions being signed about Millar and that she should resign-see below quote from Evening Standard :- "Dozens of petitions calling for Mrs Miller to resign have been rejected from the official government website. The e-petitions site lists around 60 proposed titles appealing for people to condemn the minister, but gives various reason why they cannot be hosted - including that it is a "party political" issue and a matter for the parliamentary authorities. Labour MP Ian Mearns told the Morning Star newspaper: "It seems disgraceful in a democracy that over 60 petitions have been blocked. There should be an opportunity for people to voice their concerns." A petition on the change.org website urging Mrs Miller repay £45,000 or quit has now attracted nearly 180,000 signatures." I trust that if she fails to pay the money back as already state she has committed fraud and should therefore be investigated by the police. If it was you or me we would have been subjected to police investigation long before it became public knowledge. As they say you do the crime then do the time. Its the case of another professional politician who is out of touch with reality and is in it for their own gain and not for their constituents whose money she has embezzled. ssnaked23
  • Score: 5

1:31pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

ssnaked23 wrote:
I was amused and incensed by the government's response to the petitions being signed about Millar and that she should resign-see below quote from Evening Standard :-

"Dozens of petitions calling for Mrs Miller to resign have been rejected from the official government website.
The e-petitions site lists around 60 proposed titles appealing for people to condemn the minister, but gives various reason why they cannot be hosted - including that it is a "party political" issue and a matter for the parliamentary authorities.
Labour MP Ian Mearns told the Morning Star newspaper: "It seems disgraceful in a democracy that over 60 petitions have been blocked. There should be an opportunity for people to voice their concerns."
A petition on the change.org website urging Mrs Miller repay £45,000 or quit has now attracted nearly 180,000 signatures."

I trust that if she fails to pay the money back as already state she has committed fraud and should therefore be investigated by the police. If it was you or me we would have been subjected to police investigation long before it became public knowledge. As they say you do the crime then do the time. Its the case of another professional politician who is out of touch with reality and is in it for their own gain and not for their constituents whose money she has embezzled.
There are amateur politicians?
[quote][p][bold]ssnaked23[/bold] wrote: I was amused and incensed by the government's response to the petitions being signed about Millar and that she should resign-see below quote from Evening Standard :- "Dozens of petitions calling for Mrs Miller to resign have been rejected from the official government website. The e-petitions site lists around 60 proposed titles appealing for people to condemn the minister, but gives various reason why they cannot be hosted - including that it is a "party political" issue and a matter for the parliamentary authorities. Labour MP Ian Mearns told the Morning Star newspaper: "It seems disgraceful in a democracy that over 60 petitions have been blocked. There should be an opportunity for people to voice their concerns." A petition on the change.org website urging Mrs Miller repay £45,000 or quit has now attracted nearly 180,000 signatures." I trust that if she fails to pay the money back as already state she has committed fraud and should therefore be investigated by the police. If it was you or me we would have been subjected to police investigation long before it became public knowledge. As they say you do the crime then do the time. Its the case of another professional politician who is out of touch with reality and is in it for their own gain and not for their constituents whose money she has embezzled.[/p][/quote]There are amateur politicians? Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

1:32pm Wed 9 Apr 14

IronLady2010 says...

I must admit Cameron has messed up here. She should have been booted out straight away.

How many times do we see people in Court for over claiming benefits?

The Law applies to all of us not the select few.
I must admit Cameron has messed up here. She should have been booted out straight away. How many times do we see people in Court for over claiming benefits? The Law applies to all of us not the select few. IronLady2010
  • Score: -1

1:39pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Carpe Diem says...

Whatalovelyday wrote:
Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed.

As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ??

None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers>
Totally agree. Miller bought a house using expenses, at one stage she doubled the mortgage - why, what were the funds used for ? When she sold the house she made £1.2M in profit - all the profit should be paid in taxes as it was our taxes that bought the house and paid the mortgage in the first case.
Don't even know why she needs a second house, any MP who has a constituency within commuting distance of London should be barred from having a second home.
[quote][p][bold]Whatalovelyday[/bold] wrote: Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed. As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ?? None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers>[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Miller bought a house using expenses, at one stage she doubled the mortgage - why, what were the funds used for ? When she sold the house she made £1.2M in profit - all the profit should be paid in taxes as it was our taxes that bought the house and paid the mortgage in the first case. Don't even know why she needs a second house, any MP who has a constituency within commuting distance of London should be barred from having a second home. Carpe Diem
  • Score: 4

1:55pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Carpe Diem says...

Carpe Diem wrote:
Whatalovelyday wrote:
Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed.

As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ??

None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers>
Totally agree. Miller bought a house using expenses, at one stage she doubled the mortgage - why, what were the funds used for ? When she sold the house she made £1.2M in profit - all the profit should be paid in taxes as it was our taxes that bought the house and paid the mortgage in the first case.
Don't even know why she needs a second house, any MP who has a constituency within commuting distance of London should be barred from having a second home.
By the way, Miller is not the only one to use the system to her advantage. Alistair Darling flipped his main home four times, Brown did the same, Blair has made a fortune out of his property dealings as did the Prince of Darkness Mandelson. David Laws had to resign over his expenses, he's now back in the cabinet. All examples which prove MPs cannot be trusted when it comes to abusing the expenses system. If there were no second homes allowances they would not be able to do it.
[quote][p][bold]Carpe Diem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatalovelyday[/bold] wrote: Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed. As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ?? None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers>[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Miller bought a house using expenses, at one stage she doubled the mortgage - why, what were the funds used for ? When she sold the house she made £1.2M in profit - all the profit should be paid in taxes as it was our taxes that bought the house and paid the mortgage in the first case. Don't even know why she needs a second house, any MP who has a constituency within commuting distance of London should be barred from having a second home.[/p][/quote]By the way, Miller is not the only one to use the system to her advantage. Alistair Darling flipped his main home four times, Brown did the same, Blair has made a fortune out of his property dealings as did the Prince of Darkness Mandelson. David Laws had to resign over his expenses, he's now back in the cabinet. All examples which prove MPs cannot be trusted when it comes to abusing the expenses system. If there were no second homes allowances they would not be able to do it. Carpe Diem
  • Score: 4

2:05pm Wed 9 Apr 14

ssnaked23 says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
ssnaked23 wrote:
I was amused and incensed by the government's response to the petitions being signed about Millar and that she should resign-see below quote from Evening Standard :-

"Dozens of petitions calling for Mrs Miller to resign have been rejected from the official government website.
The e-petitions site lists around 60 proposed titles appealing for people to condemn the minister, but gives various reason why they cannot be hosted - including that it is a "party political" issue and a matter for the parliamentary authorities.
Labour MP Ian Mearns told the Morning Star newspaper: "It seems disgraceful in a democracy that over 60 petitions have been blocked. There should be an opportunity for people to voice their concerns."
A petition on the change.org website urging Mrs Miller repay £45,000 or quit has now attracted nearly 180,000 signatures."

I trust that if she fails to pay the money back as already state she has committed fraud and should therefore be investigated by the police. If it was you or me we would have been subjected to police investigation long before it became public knowledge. As they say you do the crime then do the time. Its the case of another professional politician who is out of touch with reality and is in it for their own gain and not for their constituents whose money she has embezzled.
There are amateur politicians?
Of course there arent amateur politicians, when I say professional politicians its the inference that they havent done a proper job in the 'real world' outside of politics before coming into politics. Im sure you have seen the term of phrase coined before.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ssnaked23[/bold] wrote: I was amused and incensed by the government's response to the petitions being signed about Millar and that she should resign-see below quote from Evening Standard :- "Dozens of petitions calling for Mrs Miller to resign have been rejected from the official government website. The e-petitions site lists around 60 proposed titles appealing for people to condemn the minister, but gives various reason why they cannot be hosted - including that it is a "party political" issue and a matter for the parliamentary authorities. Labour MP Ian Mearns told the Morning Star newspaper: "It seems disgraceful in a democracy that over 60 petitions have been blocked. There should be an opportunity for people to voice their concerns." A petition on the change.org website urging Mrs Miller repay £45,000 or quit has now attracted nearly 180,000 signatures." I trust that if she fails to pay the money back as already state she has committed fraud and should therefore be investigated by the police. If it was you or me we would have been subjected to police investigation long before it became public knowledge. As they say you do the crime then do the time. Its the case of another professional politician who is out of touch with reality and is in it for their own gain and not for their constituents whose money she has embezzled.[/p][/quote]There are amateur politicians?[/p][/quote]Of course there arent amateur politicians, when I say professional politicians its the inference that they havent done a proper job in the 'real world' outside of politics before coming into politics. Im sure you have seen the term of phrase coined before. ssnaked23
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeyondImagination says...

While this slime ball was milkng the system and lining her own pockets she was cutting disability benefits to thousands of people. I hope the people of Basingstoke get rid of her at the election.
While this slime ball was milkng the system and lining her own pockets she was cutting disability benefits to thousands of people. I hope the people of Basingstoke get rid of her at the election. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 6

2:26pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Missdoyle says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Missdoyle wrote:
She should have been sacked at least then maybe abit of faith would have been put back into our government that way but just shows how little they care and how out of touch they are.. That she resigned and Cameron wanted her to stay
I strongly suspect she was sacked. This is just a face-saving exercise. "Look! MPs are honest in the end!"
Yeah true forced resignation I imagine but it would have looked better if they where.seen to have sacked her for.what she did cos now they look like they Condone her behavior
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Missdoyle[/bold] wrote: She should have been sacked at least then maybe abit of faith would have been put back into our government that way but just shows how little they care and how out of touch they are.. That she resigned and Cameron wanted her to stay[/p][/quote]I strongly suspect she was sacked. This is just a face-saving exercise. "Look! MPs are honest in the end!"[/p][/quote]Yeah true forced resignation I imagine but it would have looked better if they where.seen to have sacked her for.what she did cos now they look like they Condone her behavior Missdoyle
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Maine Lobster says...

Charlie Bucket wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses.
.
Male Rape trial
.
Rent boys
.
Communication director charged with phone hacking.
.
Four short years of the Tories
You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc!
You understand, I'm sure, that bailing out the banks was a far preferable option to not bailing them out?
I have to agree that the banks could not be allowed to fold, but that is partly because we have no other industry on which to sustain the economy. After Margaret Thatcher crushed manufacturing,steel,
shipbuilding,car production etc we have been left at the mercy of the bankers holding us to ransom. what is more distasteful is how the bankers continue to be paid enormous bonuses for the failures and bad risks they took to leave us all in this mess.
[quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc![/p][/quote]You understand, I'm sure, that bailing out the banks was a far preferable option to not bailing them out?[/p][/quote]I have to agree that the banks could not be allowed to fold, but that is partly because we have no other industry on which to sustain the economy. After Margaret Thatcher crushed manufacturing,steel, shipbuilding,car production etc we have been left at the mercy of the bankers holding us to ransom. what is more distasteful is how the bankers continue to be paid enormous bonuses for the failures and bad risks they took to leave us all in this mess. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 2

3:02pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Watcher says...

Two issues at play here.
.
Firstly, recent history has shown us the "fiddling expenses", "flipping homes" and "extortionate claims" occur right across the political spectrum. No one party can claim the moral high ground on this one.
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However, the second issue is the disastrous showing by Cameron and other senior Conservatives in dillying and dallying with regards holding Ms Miller to account. In backing her for over a week (and still not fully condemning her even now), Cameron has made a massive misjudgement and has again been found wanting!
.
Red Ed had him in the headlights today at PMQs, now that is poor form!
Two issues at play here. . Firstly, recent history has shown us the "fiddling expenses", "flipping homes" and "extortionate claims" occur right across the political spectrum. No one party can claim the moral high ground on this one. . However, the second issue is the disastrous showing by Cameron and other senior Conservatives in dillying and dallying with regards holding Ms Miller to account. In backing her for over a week (and still not fully condemning her even now), Cameron has made a massive misjudgement and has again been found wanting! . Red Ed had him in the headlights today at PMQs, now that is poor form! The Watcher
  • Score: 2

3:11pm Wed 9 Apr 14

aldermoorboy says...

Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP.
They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country.
Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP. They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 2

3:19pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
Charlie Bucket wrote:
Maine Lobster wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses.
.
Male Rape trial
.
Rent boys
.
Communication director charged with phone hacking.
.
Four short years of the Tories
You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc!
You understand, I'm sure, that bailing out the banks was a far preferable option to not bailing them out?
I have to agree that the banks could not be allowed to fold, but that is partly because we have no other industry on which to sustain the economy. After Margaret Thatcher crushed manufacturing,steel,

shipbuilding,car production etc we have been left at the mercy of the bankers holding us to ransom. what is more distasteful is how the bankers continue to be paid enormous bonuses for the failures and bad risks they took to leave us all in this mess.
It's partly that, partly that without lending our economic growth amounts to zilch, but also because simply put, a bank in receivership would call in all it's debts. So suddenly, everyone that had a loan or a mortgage with one of the bailed-out banks would find themselves in turn bankrupt. Disastrous.

But I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees banks had to be bailed out.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Charlie Bucket[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]You left out; cheap sell off of Royal Mail, bailing out the bankers while the rest of society pays their lavish gravy train lifestyle,wasting billions on HS2 etc.etc![/p][/quote]You understand, I'm sure, that bailing out the banks was a far preferable option to not bailing them out?[/p][/quote]I have to agree that the banks could not be allowed to fold, but that is partly because we have no other industry on which to sustain the economy. After Margaret Thatcher crushed manufacturing,steel, shipbuilding,car production etc we have been left at the mercy of the bankers holding us to ransom. what is more distasteful is how the bankers continue to be paid enormous bonuses for the failures and bad risks they took to leave us all in this mess.[/p][/quote]It's partly that, partly that without lending our economic growth amounts to zilch, but also because simply put, a bank in receivership would call in all it's debts. So suddenly, everyone that had a loan or a mortgage with one of the bailed-out banks would find themselves in turn bankrupt. Disastrous. But I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees banks had to be bailed out. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 0

3:49pm Wed 9 Apr 14

St.Ray says...

What took her so long
What took her so long St.Ray
  • Score: 0

3:51pm Wed 9 Apr 14

IronLady2010 says...

St.Ray wrote:
What took her so long
She's a criminal, they don't accept blame like normal people.
[quote][p][bold]St.Ray[/bold] wrote: What took her so long[/p][/quote]She's a criminal, they don't accept blame like normal people. IronLady2010
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Wed 9 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

This is all just a media feast in a teacup. Expenses are necessary, claims can be complicated and over-claims will occur. But when checks show errors, overpayments are returned. That’s all that’s happened – overpayment is being returned – routine. No deliberate deception detected. Not a resignation matter.
This is all just a media feast in a teacup. Expenses are necessary, claims can be complicated and over-claims will occur. But when checks show errors, overpayments are returned. That’s all that’s happened – overpayment is being returned – routine. No deliberate deception detected. Not a resignation matter. good-gosh
  • Score: -4

4:15pm Wed 9 Apr 14

IronLady2010 says...

good-gosh wrote:
This is all just a media feast in a teacup. Expenses are necessary, claims can be complicated and over-claims will occur. But when checks show errors, overpayments are returned. That’s all that’s happened – overpayment is being returned – routine. No deliberate deception detected. Not a resignation matter.
Claims can be complicated? She shouldn't be in her position if she can't even work out her own personal finances.

I'm sorry but these fiddlers know exactly what they are doing and it should of been down to the Courts to decide on her punishment like any normal person would be.
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: This is all just a media feast in a teacup. Expenses are necessary, claims can be complicated and over-claims will occur. But when checks show errors, overpayments are returned. That’s all that’s happened – overpayment is being returned – routine. No deliberate deception detected. Not a resignation matter.[/p][/quote]Claims can be complicated? She shouldn't be in her position if she can't even work out her own personal finances. I'm sorry but these fiddlers know exactly what they are doing and it should of been down to the Courts to decide on her punishment like any normal person would be. IronLady2010
  • Score: -3

4:44pm Wed 9 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
good-gosh wrote:
This is all just a media feast in a teacup. Expenses are necessary, claims can be complicated and over-claims will occur. But when checks show errors, overpayments are returned. That’s all that’s happened – overpayment is being returned – routine. No deliberate deception detected. Not a resignation matter.
Claims can be complicated? She shouldn't be in her position if she can't even work out her own personal finances.

I'm sorry but these fiddlers know exactly what they are doing and it should of been down to the Courts to decide on her punishment like any normal person would be.
The media has brainwashed almost everyone and sucked them in with their delight in humiliating any public figures that dared to try to regulate them. But the fact remains that the Committee on Standards scrutinized her expenses and cleared her of any deliberate rip-off.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: This is all just a media feast in a teacup. Expenses are necessary, claims can be complicated and over-claims will occur. But when checks show errors, overpayments are returned. That’s all that’s happened – overpayment is being returned – routine. No deliberate deception detected. Not a resignation matter.[/p][/quote]Claims can be complicated? She shouldn't be in her position if she can't even work out her own personal finances. I'm sorry but these fiddlers know exactly what they are doing and it should of been down to the Courts to decide on her punishment like any normal person would be.[/p][/quote]The media has brainwashed almost everyone and sucked them in with their delight in humiliating any public figures that dared to try to regulate them. But the fact remains that the Committee on Standards scrutinized her expenses and cleared her of any deliberate rip-off. good-gosh
  • Score: 3

4:47pm Wed 9 Apr 14

skeptik says...

Those of us who have had to account for living away from unit expenses know how damned time consuming it can be to account for every penny and list receipts in chronological order. It appears that some 'overworked MPs and ministers, many with more than one job still had to time to remember that a 55p cup of coffee needed to be claimed for. If there is to be a debate on expenses it might be the right time to debate the removal of some three hundred seats - 21st century not 19th.
Those of us who have had to account for living away from unit expenses know how damned time consuming it can be to account for every penny and list receipts in chronological order. It appears that some 'overworked MPs and ministers, many with more than one job still had to time to remember that a 55p cup of coffee needed to be claimed for. If there is to be a debate on expenses it might be the right time to debate the removal of some three hundred seats - 21st century not 19th. skeptik
  • Score: 3

5:00pm Wed 9 Apr 14

freefinker says...

reeferman wrote:
The greedy cow has at last done the decent thing, good riddance, now let the media do a hatchet job on that gobby bloke from ukip.Rant over.
.. er, no she hasn't.
The decent thing would be to pay back the full amount the independent parliamentary commissioner for standards had previously recommended; i.e. £45,000
[quote][p][bold]reeferman[/bold] wrote: The greedy cow has at last done the decent thing, good riddance, now let the media do a hatchet job on that gobby bloke from ukip.Rant over.[/p][/quote].. er, no she hasn't. The decent thing would be to pay back the full amount the independent parliamentary commissioner for standards had previously recommended; i.e. £45,000 freefinker
  • Score: 2

5:12pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Watcher says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP.
They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country.
She is indeed not fit to represent her Basingstoke constituents, which makes Cameron's and others support and indifference even worse.
.
She should have been bounced out of the Cabinet last week, instead Cameron demonstrated weak leadership and poor judgement.
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The question should perhaps be turned to, "Is Cameron fit to represent the people of this country?"
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP. They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country.[/p][/quote]She is indeed not fit to represent her Basingstoke constituents, which makes Cameron's and others support and indifference even worse. . She should have been bounced out of the Cabinet last week, instead Cameron demonstrated weak leadership and poor judgement. . The question should perhaps be turned to, "Is Cameron fit to represent the people of this country?" The Watcher
  • Score: 0

5:18pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories
Tony Blair war criminal

Billions of taxpayers money lost on the cheap sell off of gold reserves

Opening borders/ Uncapped immigration

Spent/borrowed too much which recked the economy (at Labour's own admission)

Encouraging a welfare dependent state with no way out

To name just a few catastrophic errors...
Great way to defend Maria Miller ......... come up with a load of red herrings then put your head in the sand ....... A true Tory to the end !!
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]Tony Blair war criminal Billions of taxpayers money lost on the cheap sell off of gold reserves Opening borders/ Uncapped immigration Spent/borrowed too much which recked the economy (at Labour's own admission) Encouraging a welfare dependent state with no way out To name just a few catastrophic errors...[/p][/quote]Great way to defend Maria Miller ......... come up with a load of red herrings then put your head in the sand ....... A true Tory to the end !! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -1

5:51pm Wed 9 Apr 14

issacchunt says...

Vote ukip. Bunch of nutters but as both of the real opposition are guilty of having there noses in the trough we need to bloody the same nose.

maria millers basingstoke is 45 mins from parliament on the train, she insisted on a london residence but it was 30mins from parliament. She is as self centred as all the power mad mp's. They're are not called members for nothing.
Vote ukip. Bunch of nutters but as both of the real opposition are guilty of having there noses in the trough we need to bloody the same nose. maria millers basingstoke is 45 mins from parliament on the train, she insisted on a london residence but it was 30mins from parliament. She is as self centred as all the power mad mp's. They're are not called members for nothing. issacchunt
  • Score: -1

6:10pm Wed 9 Apr 14

loosehead says...

She was cleared by the inquiry & a set amount was put forward for her to pay back which the commission dropped down to a price she has said she would pay back she wasn't found guilty & put in prison was she.
She was in charge of getting the gay marriage bill through Parliament & the opposers to this act used this press witch hunt to oust her as a way to make her pay for getting that act passed.
The press has seen her as the reason there are new press regulations & saw this as a way to stop those regulations by getting rid of her & a Labour MP was stupid enough to aide the press vendetta against her.
Is this how we want it to be? the press don't like an MP or PriMinister so start a press campaign against them them until they have to resign?
So from now on all enquiries & court cases should be scrapped & we let the press try them?
She was cleared by the inquiry & a set amount was put forward for her to pay back which the commission dropped down to a price she has said she would pay back she wasn't found guilty & put in prison was she. She was in charge of getting the gay marriage bill through Parliament & the opposers to this act used this press witch hunt to oust her as a way to make her pay for getting that act passed. The press has seen her as the reason there are new press regulations & saw this as a way to stop those regulations by getting rid of her & a Labour MP was stupid enough to aide the press vendetta against her. Is this how we want it to be? the press don't like an MP or PriMinister so start a press campaign against them them until they have to resign? So from now on all enquiries & court cases should be scrapped & we let the press try them? loosehead
  • Score: 0

6:23pm Wed 9 Apr 14

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
She was cleared by the inquiry & a set amount was put forward for her to pay back which the commission dropped down to a price she has said she would pay back she wasn't found guilty & put in prison was she.
She was in charge of getting the gay marriage bill through Parliament & the opposers to this act used this press witch hunt to oust her as a way to make her pay for getting that act passed.
The press has seen her as the reason there are new press regulations & saw this as a way to stop those regulations by getting rid of her & a Labour MP was stupid enough to aide the press vendetta against her.
Is this how we want it to be? the press don't like an MP or PriMinister so start a press campaign against them them until they have to resign?
So from now on all enquiries & court cases should be scrapped & we let the press try them?
I agree with you.

This is a classic case of people ending up wanting to believe what they want to believe!

Personally, I am disgusted with the media frenzy. I think that many have behaved in a despicable fashion including the BBC, that well known Left Wing mouthpiece!

The media has got to be curtailed - it is controlling our everyday lives, more so than any government can.................
..
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: She was cleared by the inquiry & a set amount was put forward for her to pay back which the commission dropped down to a price she has said she would pay back she wasn't found guilty & put in prison was she. She was in charge of getting the gay marriage bill through Parliament & the opposers to this act used this press witch hunt to oust her as a way to make her pay for getting that act passed. The press has seen her as the reason there are new press regulations & saw this as a way to stop those regulations by getting rid of her & a Labour MP was stupid enough to aide the press vendetta against her. Is this how we want it to be? the press don't like an MP or PriMinister so start a press campaign against them them until they have to resign? So from now on all enquiries & court cases should be scrapped & we let the press try them?[/p][/quote]I agree with you. This is a classic case of people ending up wanting to believe what they want to believe! Personally, I am disgusted with the media frenzy. I think that many have behaved in a despicable fashion including the BBC, that well known Left Wing mouthpiece! The media has got to be curtailed - it is controlling our everyday lives, more so than any government can................. .. George4th
  • Score: 0

6:26pm Wed 9 Apr 14

skeptik says...

Cleared by an inquiry? Perhaps the referee in home matches should be a home team member. Odd when we pursue wrong doers it is accepted - when members of the higher echelons of the establishment default and we demand nothing less than equality - it becomes a witch hunt. Judges used to hand to down verdicts thus ' I am going to make an example of you, you held a position of trust and you abused the trust placed in you by the public' Time we heard it again.
Cleared by an inquiry? Perhaps the referee in home matches should be a home team member. Odd when we pursue wrong doers it is accepted - when members of the higher echelons of the establishment default and we demand nothing less than equality - it becomes a witch hunt. Judges used to hand to down verdicts thus ' I am going to make an example of you, you held a position of trust and you abused the trust placed in you by the public' Time we heard it again. skeptik
  • Score: 2

6:41pm Wed 9 Apr 14

George4th says...

The Watcher wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP.
They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country.
She is indeed not fit to represent her Basingstoke constituents, which makes Cameron's and others support and indifference even worse.
.
She should have been bounced out of the Cabinet last week, instead Cameron demonstrated weak leadership and poor judgement.
.
The question should perhaps be turned to, "Is Cameron fit to represent the people of this country?"
Oh come on! The last Labour government had more dodgy MPs of every flavour than any government before or after!

No sooner had Labour got into power than Labour Minister Geoffrey Robinson was up for multi-million pound tax avoidance in 1997! By some miracle he was "fuzzily" cleared! But it did not alter the fact that he was avoiding paying millions in Tax! Many cases of mis-whatever occurred after that, culminating in their MASSIVE OVER-SPENDING which sent the country into a spiral of debt (BEFORE THE FINANCIAL crisis) and once more to the door of the IMF, something they have a habit of doing!

I have asked this question before, "Name something good that the last Labour government did for the country in 13 years of government"
Health?
Transport?
Defence?
Education?
Home Office???!!
Foreign Policy?
Business?
Culture?
Environment?
Works & Pensions?
Energy?
House Building?
or anything else?
[quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP. They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country.[/p][/quote]She is indeed not fit to represent her Basingstoke constituents, which makes Cameron's and others support and indifference even worse. . She should have been bounced out of the Cabinet last week, instead Cameron demonstrated weak leadership and poor judgement. . The question should perhaps be turned to, "Is Cameron fit to represent the people of this country?"[/p][/quote]Oh come on! The last Labour government had more dodgy MPs of every flavour than any government before or after! No sooner had Labour got into power than Labour Minister Geoffrey Robinson was up for multi-million pound tax avoidance in 1997! By some miracle he was "fuzzily" cleared! But it did not alter the fact that he was avoiding paying millions in Tax! Many cases of mis-whatever occurred after that, culminating in their MASSIVE OVER-SPENDING which sent the country into a spiral of debt (BEFORE THE FINANCIAL crisis) and once more to the door of the IMF, something they have a habit of doing! I have asked this question before, "Name something good that the last Labour government did for the country in 13 years of government" Health? Transport? Defence? Education? Home Office???!! Foreign Policy? Business? Culture? Environment? Works & Pensions? Energy? House Building? or anything else? George4th
  • Score: 2

6:55pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Stubs says...

One rule for them and another rule for us. I wouldn't trust any MP. They just feather their own nests. For the likes of us if we were to claim false benefits we would be taken to court and sent to prison - MPS just get told to stop claiming and get on with their job. That's what Cameron said.
One rule for them and another rule for us. I wouldn't trust any MP. They just feather their own nests. For the likes of us if we were to claim false benefits we would be taken to court and sent to prison - MPS just get told to stop claiming and get on with their job. That's what Cameron said. Stubs
  • Score: 1

7:06pm Wed 9 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

George4th wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP.
They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country.
She is indeed not fit to represent her Basingstoke constituents, which makes Cameron's and others support and indifference even worse.
.
She should have been bounced out of the Cabinet last week, instead Cameron demonstrated weak leadership and poor judgement.
.
The question should perhaps be turned to, "Is Cameron fit to represent the people of this country?"
Oh come on! The last Labour government had more dodgy MPs of every flavour than any government before or after!

No sooner had Labour got into power than Labour Minister Geoffrey Robinson was up for multi-million pound tax avoidance in 1997! By some miracle he was "fuzzily" cleared! But it did not alter the fact that he was avoiding paying millions in Tax! Many cases of mis-whatever occurred after that, culminating in their MASSIVE OVER-SPENDING which sent the country into a spiral of debt (BEFORE THE FINANCIAL crisis) and once more to the door of the IMF, something they have a habit of doing!

I have asked this question before, "Name something good that the last Labour government did for the country in 13 years of government"
Health?
Transport?
Defence?
Education?
Home Office???!!
Foreign Policy?
Business?
Culture?
Environment?
Works & Pensions?
Energy?
House Building?
or anything else?
Funny how you are good at ASKING questions .......... But never ANSWER any do you ........
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP. They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country.[/p][/quote]She is indeed not fit to represent her Basingstoke constituents, which makes Cameron's and others support and indifference even worse. . She should have been bounced out of the Cabinet last week, instead Cameron demonstrated weak leadership and poor judgement. . The question should perhaps be turned to, "Is Cameron fit to represent the people of this country?"[/p][/quote]Oh come on! The last Labour government had more dodgy MPs of every flavour than any government before or after! No sooner had Labour got into power than Labour Minister Geoffrey Robinson was up for multi-million pound tax avoidance in 1997! By some miracle he was "fuzzily" cleared! But it did not alter the fact that he was avoiding paying millions in Tax! Many cases of mis-whatever occurred after that, culminating in their MASSIVE OVER-SPENDING which sent the country into a spiral of debt (BEFORE THE FINANCIAL crisis) and once more to the door of the IMF, something they have a habit of doing! I have asked this question before, "Name something good that the last Labour government did for the country in 13 years of government" Health? Transport? Defence? Education? Home Office???!! Foreign Policy? Business? Culture? Environment? Works & Pensions? Energy? House Building? or anything else?[/p][/quote]Funny how you are good at ASKING questions .......... But never ANSWER any do you ........ Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -2

7:53pm Wed 9 Apr 14

The Watcher says...

George4th wrote:
The Watcher wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP.
They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country.
She is indeed not fit to represent her Basingstoke constituents, which makes Cameron's and others support and indifference even worse.
.
She should have been bounced out of the Cabinet last week, instead Cameron demonstrated weak leadership and poor judgement.
.
The question should perhaps be turned to, "Is Cameron fit to represent the people of this country?"
Oh come on! The last Labour government had more dodgy MPs of every flavour than any government before or after!

No sooner had Labour got into power than Labour Minister Geoffrey Robinson was up for multi-million pound tax avoidance in 1997! By some miracle he was "fuzzily" cleared! But it did not alter the fact that he was avoiding paying millions in Tax! Many cases of mis-whatever occurred after that, culminating in their MASSIVE OVER-SPENDING which sent the country into a spiral of debt (BEFORE THE FINANCIAL crisis) and once more to the door of the IMF, something they have a habit of doing!

I have asked this question before, "Name something good that the last Labour government did for the country in 13 years of government"
Health?
Transport?
Defence?
Education?
Home Office???!!
Foreign Policy?
Business?
Culture?
Environment?
Works & Pensions?
Energy?
House Building?
or anything else?
You mistake me for a Labour supporter!!!
.
Look at my posts and you will find a disillusioned Conservative who is finding UKIP an increasingly attractive in order to give the status quo a kick up the backsides.
.
As I posted earlier on this thread, all three parties have been shown to abuse the system, so none can claim the moral high ground.
.
BUT what this particular episode demonstrates is a spectacular error of judgement by the man entrusted with making crucial judgements with regal the future of this country.
.
Cameron may not recover from this in time for the 2015 elections (and certainly not in time for the Euro elections).
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Watcher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Many people in politics have over claimed on expenses and have had to pay back money, including a local Labour MP. They should all be ashamed and in my view none are fit to represent the people of this country.[/p][/quote]She is indeed not fit to represent her Basingstoke constituents, which makes Cameron's and others support and indifference even worse. . She should have been bounced out of the Cabinet last week, instead Cameron demonstrated weak leadership and poor judgement. . The question should perhaps be turned to, "Is Cameron fit to represent the people of this country?"[/p][/quote]Oh come on! The last Labour government had more dodgy MPs of every flavour than any government before or after! No sooner had Labour got into power than Labour Minister Geoffrey Robinson was up for multi-million pound tax avoidance in 1997! By some miracle he was "fuzzily" cleared! But it did not alter the fact that he was avoiding paying millions in Tax! Many cases of mis-whatever occurred after that, culminating in their MASSIVE OVER-SPENDING which sent the country into a spiral of debt (BEFORE THE FINANCIAL crisis) and once more to the door of the IMF, something they have a habit of doing! I have asked this question before, "Name something good that the last Labour government did for the country in 13 years of government" Health? Transport? Defence? Education? Home Office???!! Foreign Policy? Business? Culture? Environment? Works & Pensions? Energy? House Building? or anything else?[/p][/quote]You mistake me for a Labour supporter!!! . Look at my posts and you will find a disillusioned Conservative who is finding UKIP an increasingly attractive in order to give the status quo a kick up the backsides. . As I posted earlier on this thread, all three parties have been shown to abuse the system, so none can claim the moral high ground. . BUT what this particular episode demonstrates is a spectacular error of judgement by the man entrusted with making crucial judgements with regal the future of this country. . Cameron may not recover from this in time for the 2015 elections (and certainly not in time for the Euro elections). The Watcher
  • Score: 0

9:07pm Wed 9 Apr 14

loosehead says...

skeptik wrote:
Cleared by an inquiry? Perhaps the referee in home matches should be a home team member. Odd when we pursue wrong doers it is accepted - when members of the higher echelons of the establishment default and we demand nothing less than equality - it becomes a witch hunt. Judges used to hand to down verdicts thus ' I am going to make an example of you, you held a position of trust and you abused the trust placed in you by the public' Time we heard it again.
Ed Milliband never attacked her or called for her to be charged he attacked Cameron for backing his own people which is a bit rich of any Labour supporter when you think of Mandelson.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Cleared by an inquiry? Perhaps the referee in home matches should be a home team member. Odd when we pursue wrong doers it is accepted - when members of the higher echelons of the establishment default and we demand nothing less than equality - it becomes a witch hunt. Judges used to hand to down verdicts thus ' I am going to make an example of you, you held a position of trust and you abused the trust placed in you by the public' Time we heard it again.[/p][/quote]Ed Milliband never attacked her or called for her to be charged he attacked Cameron for backing his own people which is a bit rich of any Labour supporter when you think of Mandelson. loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:14pm Wed 9 Apr 14

loosehead says...

Carpe Diem wrote:
Whatalovelyday wrote:
Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed.

As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ??

None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers>
Totally agree. Miller bought a house using expenses, at one stage she doubled the mortgage - why, what were the funds used for ? When she sold the house she made £1.2M in profit - all the profit should be paid in taxes as it was our taxes that bought the house and paid the mortgage in the first case.
Don't even know why she needs a second house, any MP who has a constituency within commuting distance of London should be barred from having a second home.
she never doubled the mortgage she only didn't declare a drop in interest rates so meaning she was being paid to much in expenses that's a bit different isn't it?
Well look at the future world your all advocating! Trial by Press, Elected by Press okay. Is this really what you want?
So she should have dropped Gay marriage bill? that bill & the press regulation bill are the reasons behind this & if all of you think that what the press did to Millie's ? ( Dowler? can't seem to get the surname right) family was okay fine lets let the court case drop & let the press bug all of our phones.
[quote][p][bold]Carpe Diem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatalovelyday[/bold] wrote: Surely by now tehse second home mortgae allowances should be stopped - as they are only for MP's from outside London who need to be in London for Parliament etc. Surely we could fund, for much less money, an apartment block for MP's to use as and when needed. As for Maria Miller - she should definitely have to pay back ALL the money -not just the paltry £5800. And how about the profit made on selling the property paid for by the taxpayers ?? None of us could get away with what she has done ! (Except perhaps dodgy car dealers>[/p][/quote]Totally agree. Miller bought a house using expenses, at one stage she doubled the mortgage - why, what were the funds used for ? When she sold the house she made £1.2M in profit - all the profit should be paid in taxes as it was our taxes that bought the house and paid the mortgage in the first case. Don't even know why she needs a second house, any MP who has a constituency within commuting distance of London should be barred from having a second home.[/p][/quote]she never doubled the mortgage she only didn't declare a drop in interest rates so meaning she was being paid to much in expenses that's a bit different isn't it? Well look at the future world your all advocating! Trial by Press, Elected by Press okay. Is this really what you want? So she should have dropped Gay marriage bill? that bill & the press regulation bill are the reasons behind this & if all of you think that what the press did to Millie's ? ( Dowler? can't seem to get the surname right) family was okay fine lets let the court case drop & let the press bug all of our phones. loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:17pm Wed 9 Apr 14

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
St.Ray wrote:
What took her so long
She's a criminal, they don't accept blame like normal people.
she hasn't been found guilty of any crime the police haven't arrested her so how's she a criminal?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Ray[/bold] wrote: What took her so long[/p][/quote]She's a criminal, they don't accept blame like normal people.[/p][/quote]she hasn't been found guilty of any crime the police haven't arrested her so how's she a criminal? loosehead
  • Score: 1

9:51pm Wed 9 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories
Tony Blair war criminal

Billions of taxpayers money lost on the cheap sell off of gold reserves

Opening borders/ Uncapped immigration

Spent/borrowed too much which recked the economy (at Labour's own admission)

Encouraging a welfare dependent state with no way out

To name just a few catastrophic errors...
Great way to defend Maria Miller ......... come up with a load of red herrings then put your head in the sand ....... A true Tory to the end !!
I'm not defending her.

You threw a few digs at the Conservatives & I trumped you by throwing a few major mistakes of Labour.

Look up the meaning of red herrings, please. You might even find a description of yourself nearby.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Fiddling expenses. . Male Rape trial . Rent boys . Communication director charged with phone hacking. . Four short years of the Tories[/p][/quote]Tony Blair war criminal Billions of taxpayers money lost on the cheap sell off of gold reserves Opening borders/ Uncapped immigration Spent/borrowed too much which recked the economy (at Labour's own admission) Encouraging a welfare dependent state with no way out To name just a few catastrophic errors...[/p][/quote]Great way to defend Maria Miller ......... come up with a load of red herrings then put your head in the sand ....... A true Tory to the end !![/p][/quote]I'm not defending her. You threw a few digs at the Conservatives & I trumped you by throwing a few major mistakes of Labour. Look up the meaning of red herrings, please. You might even find a description of yourself nearby. sotonboy84
  • Score: 3

9:53pm Wed 9 Apr 14

good-gosh says...

loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
St.Ray wrote:
What took her so long
She's a criminal, they don't accept blame like normal people.
she hasn't been found guilty of any crime the police haven't arrested her so how's she a criminal?
Now she's out of cabinet, she could have load of fun compiling lists of people to sue for defamation.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Ray[/bold] wrote: What took her so long[/p][/quote]She's a criminal, they don't accept blame like normal people.[/p][/quote]she hasn't been found guilty of any crime the police haven't arrested her so how's she a criminal?[/p][/quote]Now she's out of cabinet, she could have load of fun compiling lists of people to sue for defamation. good-gosh
  • Score: -1

10:46pm Wed 9 Apr 14

peasant says...

issacchunt wrote:
Vote ukip. Bunch of nutters but as both of the real opposition are guilty of having there noses in the trough we need to bloody the same nose.

maria millers basingstoke is 45 mins from parliament on the train, she insisted on a london residence but it was 30mins from parliament. She is as self centred as all the power mad mp's. They're are not called members for nothing.
But UKIP frequent the same gentlemen's clubs in London as the bunch of crooks who pull all the strings in the current so called government!!

Try the National Health Action Party and save our NHS from corporate vultures before more of it is privatised and destroyed like everything else these crooks have privatised!
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Vote ukip. Bunch of nutters but as both of the real opposition are guilty of having there noses in the trough we need to bloody the same nose. maria millers basingstoke is 45 mins from parliament on the train, she insisted on a london residence but it was 30mins from parliament. She is as self centred as all the power mad mp's. They're are not called members for nothing.[/p][/quote]But UKIP frequent the same gentlemen's clubs in London as the bunch of crooks who pull all the strings in the current so called government!! Try the National Health Action Party and save our NHS from corporate vultures before more of it is privatised and destroyed like everything else these crooks have privatised! peasant
  • Score: -1

11:41pm Wed 9 Apr 14

BeyondImagination says...

loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
St.Ray wrote:
What took her so long
She's a criminal, they don't accept blame like normal people.
she hasn't been found guilty of any crime the police haven't arrested her so how's she a criminal?
If an employee of a company deliberately claimed expenses to which they weren't entitled there would likely be a criminal case to answer.

Thatcher relaxed expenses rules to give MP's more money without a pay rise, while fighting the unions over pay. The rules were so loose even the dimmest MP could make a lot of money. The bright ones saw the trap. Miller didn't. Hopefully we have seen the last of this horrible woman.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Ray[/bold] wrote: What took her so long[/p][/quote]She's a criminal, they don't accept blame like normal people.[/p][/quote]she hasn't been found guilty of any crime the police haven't arrested her so how's she a criminal?[/p][/quote]If an employee of a company deliberately claimed expenses to which they weren't entitled there would likely be a criminal case to answer. Thatcher relaxed expenses rules to give MP's more money without a pay rise, while fighting the unions over pay. The rules were so loose even the dimmest MP could make a lot of money. The bright ones saw the trap. Miller didn't. Hopefully we have seen the last of this horrible woman. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 2

5:20am Thu 10 Apr 14

skeptik says...

loosehead says...


skeptik wrote:
Cleared by an inquiry? Perhaps the referee in home matches should be a home team member. Odd when we pursue wrong doers it is accepted - when members of the higher echelons of the establishment default and we demand nothing less than equality - it becomes a witch hunt. Judges used to hand to down verdicts thus ' I am going to make an example of you, you held a position of trust and you abused the trust placed in you by the public' Time we heard it again.
Ed Milliband never attacked her or called for her to be charged he attacked Cameron for backing his own people which is a bit rich of any Labour supporter when you think of Mandelson.----------
-What on earth has Millband or Mandleson got to do with anything I said here?
loosehead says... skeptik wrote: Cleared by an inquiry? Perhaps the referee in home matches should be a home team member. Odd when we pursue wrong doers it is accepted - when members of the higher echelons of the establishment default and we demand nothing less than equality - it becomes a witch hunt. Judges used to hand to down verdicts thus ' I am going to make an example of you, you held a position of trust and you abused the trust placed in you by the public' Time we heard it again. Ed Milliband never attacked her or called for her to be charged he attacked Cameron for backing his own people which is a bit rich of any Labour supporter when you think of Mandelson.---------- -What on earth has Millband or Mandleson got to do with anything I said here? skeptik
  • Score: 0

5:30am Thu 10 Apr 14

skeptik says...

Always ends up in the puerile pursuit of scorecards and my gang better than your gang. We end of with 'coffee table arguments' over the finer points - when all of it starts with taxpayers money being used incorrectly. The house of commons has standing orders and procedures. Guardsmen live by something similar - all are told that they must be familiar with these orders - failing to comply? 'Failing to comply with a PUBLISHED order, an order he should have been aware of or it is reasonable to expect him to have been aware of' Odd that people we elect as administrators appear to be conveniently bad at it when it suits. Some have more than one job yet can find time to make claims of 55p for a coffee. 'I did not know I was breaking the rules' - again they know what they can do but memory fails when it comes to things that they are not supposed to do - coincidence that these failures rarely leave them out of pocket.
Always ends up in the puerile pursuit of scorecards and my gang better than your gang. We end of with 'coffee table arguments' over the finer points - when all of it starts with taxpayers money being used incorrectly. The house of commons has standing orders and procedures. Guardsmen live by something similar - all are told that they must be familiar with these orders - failing to comply? 'Failing to comply with a PUBLISHED order, an order he should have been aware of or it is reasonable to expect him to have been aware of' Odd that people we elect as administrators appear to be conveniently bad at it when it suits. Some have more than one job yet can find time to make claims of 55p for a coffee. 'I did not know I was breaking the rules' - again they know what they can do but memory fails when it comes to things that they are not supposed to do - coincidence that these failures rarely leave them out of pocket. skeptik
  • Score: -1

7:34am Thu 10 Apr 14

loosehead says...

skeptik wrote:
Always ends up in the puerile pursuit of scorecards and my gang better than your gang. We end of with 'coffee table arguments' over the finer points - when all of it starts with taxpayers money being used incorrectly. The house of commons has standing orders and procedures. Guardsmen live by something similar - all are told that they must be familiar with these orders - failing to comply? 'Failing to comply with a PUBLISHED order, an order he should have been aware of or it is reasonable to expect him to have been aware of' Odd that people we elect as administrators appear to be conveniently bad at it when it suits. Some have more than one job yet can find time to make claims of 55p for a coffee. 'I did not know I was breaking the rules' - again they know what they can do but memory fails when it comes to things that they are not supposed to do - coincidence that these failures rarely leave them out of pocket.
At a time when Labour needs to score as many points as possible against this government if this lady was guilty of fraudulently claiming expenses Ed Milliband would have jumped on it but he didn't that's why I brought up him.
If & only If this was a deliberate act of fraud then call the police in & put her away but an inquiry has found her not guilty of doing anything illegally.
Yet here we have people putting her in the same group as those who go out of their way to commit fraud.
Let's get it right if the inquiry had found her guilty & had called the police in I hope she would have gone to prison but they didn't & what's happened since is nothing but a vendetta by the Press & the Anti Gay marriage MP's one of which has just got promoted over this.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Always ends up in the puerile pursuit of scorecards and my gang better than your gang. We end of with 'coffee table arguments' over the finer points - when all of it starts with taxpayers money being used incorrectly. The house of commons has standing orders and procedures. Guardsmen live by something similar - all are told that they must be familiar with these orders - failing to comply? 'Failing to comply with a PUBLISHED order, an order he should have been aware of or it is reasonable to expect him to have been aware of' Odd that people we elect as administrators appear to be conveniently bad at it when it suits. Some have more than one job yet can find time to make claims of 55p for a coffee. 'I did not know I was breaking the rules' - again they know what they can do but memory fails when it comes to things that they are not supposed to do - coincidence that these failures rarely leave them out of pocket.[/p][/quote]At a time when Labour needs to score as many points as possible against this government if this lady was guilty of fraudulently claiming expenses Ed Milliband would have jumped on it but he didn't that's why I brought up him. If & only If this was a deliberate act of fraud then call the police in & put her away but an inquiry has found her not guilty of doing anything illegally. Yet here we have people putting her in the same group as those who go out of their way to commit fraud. Let's get it right if the inquiry had found her guilty & had called the police in I hope she would have gone to prison but they didn't & what's happened since is nothing but a vendetta by the Press & the Anti Gay marriage MP's one of which has just got promoted over this. loosehead
  • Score: 1

10:03am Thu 10 Apr 14

skeptik says...

Always a vendetta always a witch hunt - nonsense.
Always a vendetta always a witch hunt - nonsense. skeptik
  • Score: 0

11:08am Thu 10 Apr 14

loosehead says...

skeptik wrote:
Always a vendetta always a witch hunt - nonsense.
wake up & listen to what even Labour MP's are admitting was no less than a witch hunt.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Always a vendetta always a witch hunt - nonsense.[/p][/quote]wake up & listen to what even Labour MP's are admitting was no less than a witch hunt. loosehead
  • Score: 1

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