Would-be Southampton Itchen MP Rowenna Davies joins day-long fast to highlight growth of foodbanks

Daily Echo: Rowenna Davis Rowenna Davis

THE woman hoping to become one of Hampshire’s newest MPs is fasting to highlight the rising use of foodbanks.

Rowenna Davis, who hopes to succeed John Denham as Labour MP for Southampton Itchen, is joining residents and volunteers for a day-long fast today.

It is part of a national campaign called End Hunger Now, which aims to highlight the rise in use of foodbanks in the country.

Ms Davis believes the rising use of foodbanks in Southampton is part of a cost of living crisis which has developed since the Coalition Government took power in 2010.

But the man who will compete with her to become Itchen MP, Conservative city councillor Royston Smith, insists that people using foodbanks increased under the previous Labour Government.

Last year the Daily Echo highlighted an increase in people having hand-outs from foodbanks in Southampton, as the City Mission reported an increase of more than 1,000 people being fed by the organisation in the first five months of 2013 compared to the same period in 2012.

This year, the foodbank has reported another big increase in the first three months of the year – rising from 1,761 people last year to 2,629 this year.

Ms Davis, who volunteers at the Bitterne Park Triangle foodbank, will go a day without food and drinking only water alongside 20 other volunteers and residents.

She added: “It’s shocking that a city like ours should have so many people who can’t feed themselves and their families. People shouldn’t be going hungry in 21st century Britain.

“Our fast isn’t just about people who use foodbanks either – it’s about all of those who are noticing their food bills go up and struggling to make ends meet.”

Izaak Wilson, a volunteer from Portswood who will also be fasting, said: “I’m working on an empty stomach for a day, but that’s become a permanent situation for far too many people under this government. I’m fasting to raise awareness of that fact.”

But Councillor Smith said: “Foodbanks and foodbank use increased under the last Labour Government.

“The increase in them and their use is as a direct result of the last Government’s debt and deficit.”

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12:11pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Quote:- This year, the foodbank has reported another big increase in the first three months of the year – rising from 1,761 people last year to 2,629 this year.
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But Cllr Smith reckons that Quote:- “Foodbanks and foodbank use increased under the last Labour Government.
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So is he saying that there were more foodbanks under Labour ...... Which there were not.
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Or is he saying that there were foodbanks under Labour .... Yes there were ...
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Whichever he chooses it shows once again that the Tories and their wannabee MP's are so removed from the issue that they just dont understand and are so far out of touch .....
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Oh yes and the City Mission ...... Its in Bitterene Park ...... whi is the councillor for that
Quote:- This year, the foodbank has reported another big increase in the first three months of the year – rising from 1,761 people last year to 2,629 this year. . But Cllr Smith reckons that Quote:- “Foodbanks and foodbank use increased under the last Labour Government. . So is he saying that there were more foodbanks under Labour ...... Which there were not. . Or is he saying that there were foodbanks under Labour .... Yes there were ... . Whichever he chooses it shows once again that the Tories and their wannabee MP's are so removed from the issue that they just dont understand and are so far out of touch ..... . Oh yes and the City Mission ...... Its in Bitterene Park ...... whi is the councillor for that Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 8

12:16pm Thu 10 Apr 14

For pity sake says...

Solve the problem - let's eat Royston...
Solve the problem - let's eat Royston... For pity sake
  • Score: 8

12:23pm Thu 10 Apr 14

southamptongeordie says...

For pity sake wrote:
Solve the problem - let's eat Royston...
Id rather eat Rowenna
[quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: Solve the problem - let's eat Royston...[/p][/quote]Id rather eat Rowenna southamptongeordie
  • Score: 10

12:23pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

** should read ...Oh yes and the City Mission ...... Its in Bitterene Park ...... who are the councillors for that !!
** should read ...Oh yes and the City Mission ...... Its in Bitterene Park ...... who are the councillors for that !! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 5

12:26pm Thu 10 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

For pity sake wrote:
Solve the problem - let's eat Royston...
No thank you - I expect Royston would taste rather bitter.

For Royston Smith to try to blame the outgoing government from 2010 for the rise in the use of food banks really is beyond any logic. The current government have been in for four years now and it's their crushing welfare reforms that have caused many people to use them as a last resort.

But the really damning thing is that lots of the people using food banks are actually in work - but they are not paid enough to make ends meet. Employers are partly to blame here as well - which is why we need not just the minimum wage but the Living Wage.
[quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: Solve the problem - let's eat Royston...[/p][/quote]No thank you - I expect Royston would taste rather bitter. For Royston Smith to try to blame the outgoing government from 2010 for the rise in the use of food banks really is beyond any logic. The current government have been in for four years now and it's their crushing welfare reforms that have caused many people to use them as a last resort. But the really damning thing is that lots of the people using food banks are actually in work - but they are not paid enough to make ends meet. Employers are partly to blame here as well - which is why we need not just the minimum wage but the Living Wage. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 18

1:28pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Quentin Heslop says...

Playing politics with peoples' misfortune.
Playing politics with peoples' misfortune. Quentin Heslop
  • Score: 2

1:55pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Outside of the Box says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
For pity sake wrote:
Solve the problem - let's eat Royston...
No thank you - I expect Royston would taste rather bitter.

For Royston Smith to try to blame the outgoing government from 2010 for the rise in the use of food banks really is beyond any logic. The current government have been in for four years now and it's their crushing welfare reforms that have caused many people to use them as a last resort.

But the really damning thing is that lots of the people using food banks are actually in work - but they are not paid enough to make ends meet. Employers are partly to blame here as well - which is why we need not just the minimum wage but the Living Wage.
For pity sake: You are absolutely spot on, it is beyond logic.

Royston doesn't know his harris from his elbow, he is so out of touch with the reality of people living in the Itchen constituency its unreal, people may care about potholes, but more people care about where their next meal coming from.

Esther McVey admitted in parliament that more people are using foodbacks, funnily enough she blamed Labour for it as well.

Playing the blame game doesn't feed people, Esther and Royston need to get real. Before anyone says people should get jobs so than feed their families, should think on this Government statistic. 53% of children classed by this Government as living in poverty are from families where both parents work, yes the parents work, poverty and people going hungry doesn't discriminate it can affect everyone jobless or not.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]For pity sake[/bold] wrote: Solve the problem - let's eat Royston...[/p][/quote]No thank you - I expect Royston would taste rather bitter. For Royston Smith to try to blame the outgoing government from 2010 for the rise in the use of food banks really is beyond any logic. The current government have been in for four years now and it's their crushing welfare reforms that have caused many people to use them as a last resort. But the really damning thing is that lots of the people using food banks are actually in work - but they are not paid enough to make ends meet. Employers are partly to blame here as well - which is why we need not just the minimum wage but the Living Wage.[/p][/quote]For pity sake: You are absolutely spot on, it is beyond logic. Royston doesn't know his harris from his elbow, he is so out of touch with the reality of people living in the Itchen constituency its unreal, people may care about potholes, but more people care about where their next meal coming from. Esther McVey admitted in parliament that more people are using foodbacks, funnily enough she blamed Labour for it as well. Playing the blame game doesn't feed people, Esther and Royston need to get real. Before anyone says people should get jobs so than feed their families, should think on this Government statistic. 53% of children classed by this Government as living in poverty are from families where both parents work, yes the parents work, poverty and people going hungry doesn't discriminate it can affect everyone jobless or not. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 14

2:01pm Thu 10 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Quentin Heslop wrote:
Playing politics with peoples' misfortune.
Davis actually works at the food bank in Bitterne. That isn't playing politics, that's rolling your sleeves up and getting stuck in.
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: Playing politics with peoples' misfortune.[/p][/quote]Davis actually works at the food bank in Bitterne. That isn't playing politics, that's rolling your sleeves up and getting stuck in. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 11

2:39pm Thu 10 Apr 14

cliffwalker says...

Quentin Heslop wrote:
Playing politics with peoples' misfortune.
Who's playing politics? Is the volunteer worker at the foodbank or the councillor, avowed supporter of a political party, receiving £20,000 a year to serve the people in his constituency?
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: Playing politics with peoples' misfortune.[/p][/quote]Who's playing politics? Is the volunteer worker at the foodbank or the councillor, avowed supporter of a political party, receiving £20,000 a year to serve the people in his constituency? cliffwalker
  • Score: 5

3:13pm Thu 10 Apr 14

S!monOn says...

cliffwalker wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
Playing politics with peoples' misfortune.
Who's playing politics? Is the volunteer worker at the foodbank or the councillor, avowed supporter of a political party, receiving £20,000 a year to serve the people in his constituency?
I think it goes beyond that doesn't it?
[quote][p][bold]cliffwalker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: Playing politics with peoples' misfortune.[/p][/quote]Who's playing politics? Is the volunteer worker at the foodbank or the councillor, avowed supporter of a political party, receiving £20,000 a year to serve the people in his constituency?[/p][/quote]I think it goes beyond that doesn't it? S!monOn
  • Score: 2

3:29pm Thu 10 Apr 14

loosehead says...

Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have?
Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill?
Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she?
Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament?
Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess?
Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they?
Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have? Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill? Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she? Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament? Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess? Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they? loosehead
  • Score: -11

3:51pm Thu 10 Apr 14

pap says...

It'd be much better if a Sotonian prospective candidate was highlighting issues in "our city".

Still, brave of Labour to drop Rowenna in here. It's a key marginal which could go either way; they normally only parachute their preferred children into really safe seats.
It'd be much better if a Sotonian prospective candidate was highlighting issues in "our city". Still, brave of Labour to drop Rowenna in here. It's a key marginal which could go either way; they normally only parachute their preferred children into really safe seats. pap
  • Score: 1

4:17pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Redondo Saint says...

Nice of the Cllr for Peckham to visit Southampton.
Nice of the Cllr for Peckham to visit Southampton. Redondo Saint
  • Score: -1

4:43pm Thu 10 Apr 14

The Watcher says...

Redondo Saint wrote:
Nice of the Cllr for Peckham to visit Southampton.
Interestingly the last Conservative MP for Soton Itchen was also parachuted in from a London Council.
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The lovely Christopher Chope was the then Leader of Wandsworth Council when he won the seat in 1983.
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Think it would be best if the forthcoming election was fought on policy, not petty party politicking.
[quote][p][bold]Redondo Saint[/bold] wrote: Nice of the Cllr for Peckham to visit Southampton.[/p][/quote]Interestingly the last Conservative MP for Soton Itchen was also parachuted in from a London Council. . The lovely Christopher Chope was the then Leader of Wandsworth Council when he won the seat in 1983. . Think it would be best if the forthcoming election was fought on policy, not petty party politicking. The Watcher
  • Score: 12

4:56pm Thu 10 Apr 14

On the inside says...

loosehead wrote:
Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have?
Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill?
Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she?
Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament?
Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess?
Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they?
Go away Tory scum.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have? Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill? Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she? Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament? Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess? Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they?[/p][/quote]Go away Tory scum. On the inside
  • Score: 10

5:08pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

pap wrote:
It'd be much better if a Sotonian prospective candidate was highlighting issues in "our city".

Still, brave of Labour to drop Rowenna in here. It's a key marginal which could go either way; they normally only parachute their preferred children into really safe seats.
But we do have a local candidate .......
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The problem is that him and his party are in constant denial of the subject ... that is the most worrying thing of all.
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Just imagine if he were to get in !!!
[quote][p][bold]pap[/bold] wrote: It'd be much better if a Sotonian prospective candidate was highlighting issues in "our city". Still, brave of Labour to drop Rowenna in here. It's a key marginal which could go either way; they normally only parachute their preferred children into really safe seats.[/p][/quote]But we do have a local candidate ....... . The problem is that him and his party are in constant denial of the subject ... that is the most worrying thing of all. . Just imagine if he were to get in !!! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 5

5:31pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Bigfella2003 says...

Isn't Izaak John D's aid? Hardly think this is a balanced report, top work DE good reporting.
Isn't Izaak John D's aid? Hardly think this is a balanced report, top work DE good reporting. Bigfella2003
  • Score: -3

5:38pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Redondo Saint says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
Playing politics with peoples' misfortune.
Davis actually works at the food bank in Bitterne. That isn't playing politics, that's rolling your sleeves up and getting stuck in.
So,you think a politician is not playing politics?!!!!!

Priceless
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: Playing politics with peoples' misfortune.[/p][/quote]Davis actually works at the food bank in Bitterne. That isn't playing politics, that's rolling your sleeves up and getting stuck in.[/p][/quote]So,you think a politician is not playing politics?!!!!! Priceless Redondo Saint
  • Score: 2

6:13pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Randoor says...

Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come" Randoor
  • Score: -5

6:31pm Thu 10 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
[quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 13

6:40pm Thu 10 Apr 14

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have?
Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill?
Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she?
Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament?
Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess?
Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they?
Labour supporters refuse to admit the catastrophic failure of their last government. As you rightly point out and as Mr Smith points out, the growth of Food banks started under Labour! It has grown due to the mess left by the Labour government in the form of a huge national debt and a deficit that was off the Richter scale due to the irresponsible spending and borrowing, BEFORE the global financial crisis!

The run on from the disaster that was Labour is still with us and will be for some time to come. Labour have ruined the lives of millions and millions of people, especially our young and our future young - they messed up BIGTIME!

And what is more galling - there is absolutely nothing that anyone can point to that Labour actually achieved apart from making the country Bankrupt!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have? Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill? Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she? Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament? Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess? Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they?[/p][/quote]Labour supporters refuse to admit the catastrophic failure of their last government. As you rightly point out and as Mr Smith points out, the growth of Food banks started under Labour! It has grown due to the mess left by the Labour government in the form of a huge national debt and a deficit that was off the Richter scale due to the irresponsible spending and borrowing, BEFORE the global financial crisis! The run on from the disaster that was Labour is still with us and will be for some time to come. Labour have ruined the lives of millions and millions of people, especially our young and our future young - they messed up BIGTIME! And what is more galling - there is absolutely nothing that anyone can point to that Labour actually achieved apart from making the country Bankrupt! George4th
  • Score: 1

6:53pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Randoor says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral.
: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.[/p][/quote]Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral. : Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come Randoor
  • Score: -7

7:02pm Thu 10 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral.
: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come
Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.
[quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.[/p][/quote]Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral. : Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come[/p][/quote]Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 12

7:13pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Randoor says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral.
: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come
Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.
Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.[/p][/quote]Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral. : Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come[/p][/quote]Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.[/p][/quote]Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first Randoor
  • Score: -12

8:07pm Thu 10 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral.
: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come
Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.
Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first
They are the 2 that have so far been mentioned on this thread. There is not a single food bank in the city that does self-referral that I am aware of. If you have information to the contrary then post it.
[quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.[/p][/quote]Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral. : Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come[/p][/quote]Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.[/p][/quote]Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first[/p][/quote]They are the 2 that have so far been mentioned on this thread. There is not a single food bank in the city that does self-referral that I am aware of. If you have information to the contrary then post it. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 13

1:40am Fri 11 Apr 14

The Watcher says...

Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral.
: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come
Actually the recently published Govt research by Warwick Uni for DEFRA showed that not to be the case (ie food bank usage has not risen just because there are more food banks).
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It's an interesting read and now being used by DEFRA in discussions with Charities and Local Councils.
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I'm not sure burying ones head in the sand on this subject is a mature response.
[quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.[/p][/quote]Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral. : Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come[/p][/quote]Actually the recently published Govt research by Warwick Uni for DEFRA showed that not to be the case (ie food bank usage has not risen just because there are more food banks). . It's an interesting read and now being used by DEFRA in discussions with Charities and Local Councils. . I'm not sure burying ones head in the sand on this subject is a mature response. The Watcher
  • Score: 4

6:59am Fri 11 Apr 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral.
: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come
Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.
I've stood by Lordshills Church & I've seen couples pull up in their car to go to the food bank & I've told Sean who runs it.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.[/p][/quote]Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral. : Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come[/p][/quote]Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.[/p][/quote]I've stood by Lordshills Church & I've seen couples pull up in their car to go to the food bank & I've told Sean who runs it. loosehead
  • Score: -4

7:07am Fri 11 Apr 14

loosehead says...

George4th wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have?
Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill?
Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she?
Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament?
Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess?
Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they?
Labour supporters refuse to admit the catastrophic failure of their last government. As you rightly point out and as Mr Smith points out, the growth of Food banks started under Labour! It has grown due to the mess left by the Labour government in the form of a huge national debt and a deficit that was off the Richter scale due to the irresponsible spending and borrowing, BEFORE the global financial crisis!

The run on from the disaster that was Labour is still with us and will be for some time to come. Labour have ruined the lives of millions and millions of people, especially our young and our future young - they messed up BIGTIME!

And what is more galling - there is absolutely nothing that anyone can point to that Labour actually achieved apart from making the country Bankrupt!
George when I was younger & we fell on hard times we the teenage kids had to find work(paper,log,milk rounds) to bring in just a little more money.
If no child was old enough we sold some of the good things we bought when times were good as they could be replaced.
How many who go to food banks have Iphones with high monthly tariffs? how many have expensive cars to drive?
How many can go & show a bank statement where a large proportion of their income is going out before they buy food as more than one person has a mobile(iphone)& all the kids have tv's game consoles & the power bill is sky high?
I suggested to Shirley Baptist Church they get hold of a lot of second hand computers & allow the local children to go there in the evenings to do their homework on the computers this would mean those parents struggling wouldn't have to worry about buying a laptop.
I just wonder how many people would have used foodbanks under Harold Wilsons Government?
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have? Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill? Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she? Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament? Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess? Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they?[/p][/quote]Labour supporters refuse to admit the catastrophic failure of their last government. As you rightly point out and as Mr Smith points out, the growth of Food banks started under Labour! It has grown due to the mess left by the Labour government in the form of a huge national debt and a deficit that was off the Richter scale due to the irresponsible spending and borrowing, BEFORE the global financial crisis! The run on from the disaster that was Labour is still with us and will be for some time to come. Labour have ruined the lives of millions and millions of people, especially our young and our future young - they messed up BIGTIME! And what is more galling - there is absolutely nothing that anyone can point to that Labour actually achieved apart from making the country Bankrupt![/p][/quote]George when I was younger & we fell on hard times we the teenage kids had to find work(paper,log,milk rounds) to bring in just a little more money. If no child was old enough we sold some of the good things we bought when times were good as they could be replaced. How many who go to food banks have Iphones with high monthly tariffs? how many have expensive cars to drive? How many can go & show a bank statement where a large proportion of their income is going out before they buy food as more than one person has a mobile(iphone)& all the kids have tv's game consoles & the power bill is sky high? I suggested to Shirley Baptist Church they get hold of a lot of second hand computers & allow the local children to go there in the evenings to do their homework on the computers this would mean those parents struggling wouldn't have to worry about buying a laptop. I just wonder how many people would have used foodbanks under Harold Wilsons Government? loosehead
  • Score: 0

7:29am Fri 11 Apr 14

loosehead says...

Before another Labour supporter comes on here calling me Tory Scum did Rowenna go & live in cardboard city to highlight the plight of the homeless in London when we had a Labour Government did she sleep in a cardboard box in a Labour ward to highlight it?
NO she didn't so she is insulting those who feel the need to use food banks by trying to use it for political means or for trying to get votes.
Before another Labour supporter comes on here calling me Tory Scum did Rowenna go & live in cardboard city to highlight the plight of the homeless in London when we had a Labour Government did she sleep in a cardboard box in a Labour ward to highlight it? NO she didn't so she is insulting those who feel the need to use food banks by trying to use it for political means or for trying to get votes. loosehead
  • Score: 1

8:15am Fri 11 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

Rowena seems to be what the name conventionally is but I suppose "Rowenna" makes it sound a bit Western British so that should appeal to the Southampton Taffia.
Anyways, Rowenna, don't worry about cliché ridden gimmicks like this. It's going to be a walkover in 2015. Who has not warmed to the iron-jawed decisive, unequivocal leader of your Party? He's our family role-model .
PS, sorry to jolt you out of "fasts" and general assorted La La Land nonsense but why doesn't Charismatic Ed want the people of this country to have a vote on getting out from under the rule of the Paris-Berlin Axis?
Rowena seems to be what the name conventionally is but I suppose "Rowenna" makes it sound a bit Western British so that should appeal to the Southampton Taffia. Anyways, Rowenna, don't worry about cliché ridden gimmicks like this. It's going to be a walkover in 2015. Who has not warmed to the iron-jawed decisive, unequivocal leader of your Party? He's our family role-model . PS, sorry to jolt you out of "fasts" and general assorted La La Land nonsense but why doesn't Charismatic Ed want the people of this country to have a vote on getting out from under the rule of the Paris-Berlin Axis? Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

8:39am Fri 11 Apr 14

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
George4th wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have?
Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill?
Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she?
Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament?
Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess?
Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they?
Labour supporters refuse to admit the catastrophic failure of their last government. As you rightly point out and as Mr Smith points out, the growth of Food banks started under Labour! It has grown due to the mess left by the Labour government in the form of a huge national debt and a deficit that was off the Richter scale due to the irresponsible spending and borrowing, BEFORE the global financial crisis!

The run on from the disaster that was Labour is still with us and will be for some time to come. Labour have ruined the lives of millions and millions of people, especially our young and our future young - they messed up BIGTIME!

And what is more galling - there is absolutely nothing that anyone can point to that Labour actually achieved apart from making the country Bankrupt!
George when I was younger & we fell on hard times we the teenage kids had to find work(paper,log,milk rounds) to bring in just a little more money.
If no child was old enough we sold some of the good things we bought when times were good as they could be replaced.
How many who go to food banks have Iphones with high monthly tariffs? how many have expensive cars to drive?
How many can go & show a bank statement where a large proportion of their income is going out before they buy food as more than one person has a mobile(iphone)& all the kids have tv's game consoles & the power bill is sky high?
I suggested to Shirley Baptist Church they get hold of a lot of second hand computers & allow the local children to go there in the evenings to do their homework on the computers this would mean those parents struggling wouldn't have to worry about buying a laptop.
I just wonder how many people would have used foodbanks under Harold Wilsons Government?
I'm with you. I had a similar upbringing - nothing at all was easy! If you wanted something you worked and saved for it or you didn't have it!

If you ask the professionals (Social workers etc) they will tell you that the reason people get into this position is through poor financial management. In other words, they have their priorities the wrong way around! The way you describe it is how it is.

Some of the"people who are "expanding/growing the food bank chains!" are merely indulging themselves and not helping in the long run (I'm all for the local charities doing what they can but some of these "food bank" charities are expanding faster than Costa Coffee!!. Quality time spent showing people how to manage their finances would be far more beneficial.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Will she have her Iphone or Ipad with her as many who visit food banks have? Will she drive to her local food bank as many do in Lordshill? Just another gimmick to win votes what if a group of prostitutes said" spend a night working the streets with us to highlight the dangers of prostitution & we'll vote for you would she? Will she also put up placards saying why people are in this predicament? Will she openly admit that it was through the financial mess Labour left us in? or will she blame the government who are getting us out of this mess? Let's see how honest she is or is she like the local Labour council/councillors who after all are all liars aren't they?[/p][/quote]Labour supporters refuse to admit the catastrophic failure of their last government. As you rightly point out and as Mr Smith points out, the growth of Food banks started under Labour! It has grown due to the mess left by the Labour government in the form of a huge national debt and a deficit that was off the Richter scale due to the irresponsible spending and borrowing, BEFORE the global financial crisis! The run on from the disaster that was Labour is still with us and will be for some time to come. Labour have ruined the lives of millions and millions of people, especially our young and our future young - they messed up BIGTIME! And what is more galling - there is absolutely nothing that anyone can point to that Labour actually achieved apart from making the country Bankrupt![/p][/quote]George when I was younger & we fell on hard times we the teenage kids had to find work(paper,log,milk rounds) to bring in just a little more money. If no child was old enough we sold some of the good things we bought when times were good as they could be replaced. How many who go to food banks have Iphones with high monthly tariffs? how many have expensive cars to drive? How many can go & show a bank statement where a large proportion of their income is going out before they buy food as more than one person has a mobile(iphone)& all the kids have tv's game consoles & the power bill is sky high? I suggested to Shirley Baptist Church they get hold of a lot of second hand computers & allow the local children to go there in the evenings to do their homework on the computers this would mean those parents struggling wouldn't have to worry about buying a laptop. I just wonder how many people would have used foodbanks under Harold Wilsons Government?[/p][/quote]I'm with you. I had a similar upbringing - nothing at all was easy! If you wanted something you worked and saved for it or you didn't have it! If you ask the professionals (Social workers etc) they will tell you that the reason people get into this position is through poor financial management. In other words, they have their priorities the wrong way around! The way you describe it is how it is. Some of the"people who are "expanding/growing the food bank chains!" are merely indulging themselves and not helping in the long run (I'm all for the local charities doing what they can but some of these "food bank" charities are expanding faster than Costa Coffee!!. Quality time spent showing people how to manage their finances would be far more beneficial. George4th
  • Score: 0

9:29am Fri 11 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

"Actually the recently published Govt research by Warwick Uni for DEFRA showed that not to be the case (ie food bank usage has not risen just because there are more food banks)"
Which clearly begs the question to which, The Watcher, neither you nor I and certainly not Morwenna probably knows the answer-"Why has the supply of FB's been increased if the demand hasn't increased?" My answer would be political gimmickry a la Rowmeena. Yours?.
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"Actually the recently published Govt research by Warwick Uni for DEFRA showed that not to be the case (ie food bank usage has not risen just because there are more food banks)" Which clearly begs the question to which, The Watcher, neither you nor I and certainly not Morwenna probably knows the answer-"Why has the supply of FB's been increased if the demand hasn't increased?" My answer would be political gimmickry a la Rowmeena. Yours?. . Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

10:00am Fri 11 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
Exactly. The increased use of food banks does not prove anything.

People have been too used to living on handouts at others expense so when their life is made less comfortable, they're brought to a level where a lot of working people live.

For those that have no intention of working or contributing purely because they chose not to, they'll take anything that's going for nothing, just like their incomes.
[quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]Exactly. The increased use of food banks does not prove anything. People have been too used to living on handouts at others expense so when their life is made less comfortable, they're brought to a level where a lot of working people live. For those that have no intention of working or contributing purely because they chose not to, they'll take anything that's going for nothing, just like their incomes. sotonboy84
  • Score: -1

10:10am Fri 11 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral.
: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come
Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.
Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first
They are the 2 that have so far been mentioned on this thread. There is not a single food bank in the city that does self-referral that I am aware of. If you have information to the contrary then post it.
Why does it matter if they're self-referral or not? There are genuine cases for using food banks and there are those that will go along to get something for nothing and jump on the poverty band wagon. If you don't work and claim benefits I imagine it's very easy to go along and say here's my measly taxpayer funded income, I've spent the rest on cigarettes and Wonga so please give me food. Hardly going to be turned away.

People shouldn't just be allowed to use food banks, they're reactive, there needs to be some proactivity and peoples incomes properly looked into. There's nobody on benefits that doesn't get enough income, it's their management and how they spend it which is the issue. Figures on the use of food banks are not representative of those needing assistance, they're merely representative of those using food banks.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.[/p][/quote]Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral. : Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come[/p][/quote]Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.[/p][/quote]Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first[/p][/quote]They are the 2 that have so far been mentioned on this thread. There is not a single food bank in the city that does self-referral that I am aware of. If you have information to the contrary then post it.[/p][/quote]Why does it matter if they're self-referral or not? There are genuine cases for using food banks and there are those that will go along to get something for nothing and jump on the poverty band wagon. If you don't work and claim benefits I imagine it's very easy to go along and say here's my measly taxpayer funded income, I've spent the rest on cigarettes and Wonga so please give me food. Hardly going to be turned away. People shouldn't just be allowed to use food banks, they're reactive, there needs to be some proactivity and peoples incomes properly looked into. There's nobody on benefits that doesn't get enough income, it's their management and how they spend it which is the issue. Figures on the use of food banks are not representative of those needing assistance, they're merely representative of those using food banks. sotonboy84
  • Score: -3

1:37pm Fri 11 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral.
: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come
Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.
Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first
They are the 2 that have so far been mentioned on this thread. There is not a single food bank in the city that does self-referral that I am aware of. If you have information to the contrary then post it.
Why does it matter if they're self-referral or not? There are genuine cases for using food banks and there are those that will go along to get something for nothing and jump on the poverty band wagon. If you don't work and claim benefits I imagine it's very easy to go along and say here's my measly taxpayer funded income, I've spent the rest on cigarettes and Wonga so please give me food. Hardly going to be turned away.

People shouldn't just be allowed to use food banks, they're reactive, there needs to be some proactivity and peoples incomes properly looked into. There's nobody on benefits that doesn't get enough income, it's their management and how they spend it which is the issue. Figures on the use of food banks are not representative of those needing assistance, they're merely representative of those using food banks.
'You imagine'. That's not exactly definitive information, is it? Your thesis is that food bank users are somehow rolling in cash and managing to hoodwink the people running them. That's nonsense. The people at the Bitterne food bank, which I've seen in action, couldn't be any more on the ball. The chances of rolling up and fooling them are precisely zero. Go and have a look. Then you won't have to rely on your imagination any more.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.[/p][/quote]Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral. : Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come[/p][/quote]Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.[/p][/quote]Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first[/p][/quote]They are the 2 that have so far been mentioned on this thread. There is not a single food bank in the city that does self-referral that I am aware of. If you have information to the contrary then post it.[/p][/quote]Why does it matter if they're self-referral or not? There are genuine cases for using food banks and there are those that will go along to get something for nothing and jump on the poverty band wagon. If you don't work and claim benefits I imagine it's very easy to go along and say here's my measly taxpayer funded income, I've spent the rest on cigarettes and Wonga so please give me food. Hardly going to be turned away. People shouldn't just be allowed to use food banks, they're reactive, there needs to be some proactivity and peoples incomes properly looked into. There's nobody on benefits that doesn't get enough income, it's their management and how they spend it which is the issue. Figures on the use of food banks are not representative of those needing assistance, they're merely representative of those using food banks.[/p][/quote]'You imagine'. That's not exactly definitive information, is it? Your thesis is that food bank users are somehow rolling in cash and managing to hoodwink the people running them. That's nonsense. The people at the Bitterne food bank, which I've seen in action, couldn't be any more on the ball. The chances of rolling up and fooling them are precisely zero. Go and have a look. Then you won't have to rely on your imagination any more. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Randoor wrote:
Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"
You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.
Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral.
: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come
Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.
Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first
They are the 2 that have so far been mentioned on this thread. There is not a single food bank in the city that does self-referral that I am aware of. If you have information to the contrary then post it.
Why does it matter if they're self-referral or not? There are genuine cases for using food banks and there are those that will go along to get something for nothing and jump on the poverty band wagon. If you don't work and claim benefits I imagine it's very easy to go along and say here's my measly taxpayer funded income, I've spent the rest on cigarettes and Wonga so please give me food. Hardly going to be turned away.

People shouldn't just be allowed to use food banks, they're reactive, there needs to be some proactivity and peoples incomes properly looked into. There's nobody on benefits that doesn't get enough income, it's their management and how they spend it which is the issue. Figures on the use of food banks are not representative of those needing assistance, they're merely representative of those using food banks.
'You imagine'. That's not exactly definitive information, is it? Your thesis is that food bank users are somehow rolling in cash and managing to hoodwink the people running them. That's nonsense. The people at the Bitterne food bank, which I've seen in action, couldn't be any more on the ball. The chances of rolling up and fooling them are precisely zero. Go and have a look. Then you won't have to rely on your imagination any more.
Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Randoor[/bold] wrote: Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come"[/p][/quote]You don't just roll up at a food bank and get 'free stuff'. You need to have a voucher given to you by an agency that has already assessed you as being in serious need, which includes Jobcentres, the police, and organisations like the Salvation Army. It isn't a free for all and it's often humiliating for the recipients. It is a last resort, not an easy choice, and the amount of food you can be issued is strictly limited.[/p][/quote]Each foodbank has its own rules, some use a referral only while others allow self referral. : Remember "Give them free stuff,and they will come[/p][/quote]Very few do self-referral. And the ones in Lordshill and Bitterne Park certainly do not. So get your facts right before you post.[/p][/quote]Did I Mention Bitterne park or Lords Hill ?? Get your facts right first[/p][/quote]They are the 2 that have so far been mentioned on this thread. There is not a single food bank in the city that does self-referral that I am aware of. If you have information to the contrary then post it.[/p][/quote]Why does it matter if they're self-referral or not? There are genuine cases for using food banks and there are those that will go along to get something for nothing and jump on the poverty band wagon. If you don't work and claim benefits I imagine it's very easy to go along and say here's my measly taxpayer funded income, I've spent the rest on cigarettes and Wonga so please give me food. Hardly going to be turned away. People shouldn't just be allowed to use food banks, they're reactive, there needs to be some proactivity and peoples incomes properly looked into. There's nobody on benefits that doesn't get enough income, it's their management and how they spend it which is the issue. Figures on the use of food banks are not representative of those needing assistance, they're merely representative of those using food banks.[/p][/quote]'You imagine'. That's not exactly definitive information, is it? Your thesis is that food bank users are somehow rolling in cash and managing to hoodwink the people running them. That's nonsense. The people at the Bitterne food bank, which I've seen in action, couldn't be any more on the ball. The chances of rolling up and fooling them are precisely zero. Go and have a look. Then you won't have to rely on your imagination any more.[/p][/quote]Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

4:30pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

"Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around"
Wow! rapier- like rhetoric. What's "difinitive" by the way?
"Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around" Wow! rapier- like rhetoric. What's "difinitive" by the way? Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

6:39pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Dai Rear wrote:
"Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around"
Wow! rapier- like rhetoric. What's "difinitive" by the way?
Difinitive is the same as definitive ...... just spelt differently .... but still means the same
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around" Wow! rapier- like rhetoric. What's "difinitive" by the way?[/p][/quote]Difinitive is the same as definitive ...... just spelt differently .... but still means the same Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

7:45pm Fri 11 Apr 14

andysaints007 says...

I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank!
I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank! andysaints007
  • Score: -1

8:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

andysaints007 wrote:
I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank!
Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank![/p][/quote]Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 3

9:00pm Fri 11 Apr 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank!
Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.
so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar?
none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband?
None have cars? None go on holiday?
now pull the other one.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank![/p][/quote]Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.[/p][/quote]so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar? none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband? None have cars? None go on holiday? now pull the other one. loosehead
  • Score: -2

9:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank!
Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.
so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar?
none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband?
None have cars? None go on holiday?
now pull the other one.
Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes.

You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for.

In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things.

Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank![/p][/quote]Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.[/p][/quote]so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar? none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband? None have cars? None go on holiday? now pull the other one.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes. You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for. In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things. Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

10:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

George4th says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank!
Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.
so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar?
none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband?
None have cars? None go on holiday?
now pull the other one.
Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes.

You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for.

In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things.

Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.
"Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system."

And your proof is?

I find it amusing that critics of the coalition's policies have forgotten what a god almighty mess the last Labour government made, including widening the gap between the have and the have nots - they made the poor, poorer! :-)

P.S. Once you throw insults, you have lost the argument, as you did to Loosehead...........
....
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank![/p][/quote]Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.[/p][/quote]so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar? none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband? None have cars? None go on holiday? now pull the other one.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes. You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for. In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things. Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.[/p][/quote]"Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system." And your proof is? I find it amusing that critics of the coalition's policies have forgotten what a god almighty mess the last Labour government made, including widening the gap between the have and the have nots - they made the poor, poorer! :-) P.S. Once you throw insults, you have lost the argument, as you did to Loosehead........... .... George4th
  • Score: -2

11:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

George4th wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank!
Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.
so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar?
none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband?
None have cars? None go on holiday?
now pull the other one.
Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes.

You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for.

In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things.

Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.
"Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system."

And your proof is?

I find it amusing that critics of the coalition's policies have forgotten what a god almighty mess the last Labour government made, including widening the gap between the have and the have nots - they made the poor, poorer! :-)

P.S. Once you throw insults, you have lost the argument, as you did to Loosehead...........

....
George, here's one example for you: http://www.mirror.co
.uk/news/uk-news/dis
abled-mark-wood-star
ved-death-3194250
I haven't insulted Loosehead, I've simply described him. He spews out mean-spirited bigoted platitudes, not just here but all over the website. He prefers cliche and invective over facts and reasoned argument. He is an unpleasant narrow-minded individual. These are descriptions, not terms of abuse.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank![/p][/quote]Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.[/p][/quote]so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar? none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband? None have cars? None go on holiday? now pull the other one.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes. You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for. In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things. Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.[/p][/quote]"Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system." And your proof is? I find it amusing that critics of the coalition's policies have forgotten what a god almighty mess the last Labour government made, including widening the gap between the have and the have nots - they made the poor, poorer! :-) P.S. Once you throw insults, you have lost the argument, as you did to Loosehead........... ....[/p][/quote]George, here's one example for you: http://www.mirror.co .uk/news/uk-news/dis abled-mark-wood-star ved-death-3194250 I haven't insulted Loosehead, I've simply described him. He spews out mean-spirited bigoted platitudes, not just here but all over the website. He prefers cliche and invective over facts and reasoned argument. He is an unpleasant narrow-minded individual. These are descriptions, not terms of abuse. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 3

7:58am Sat 12 Apr 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank!
Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.
so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar?
none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband?
None have cars? None go on holiday?
now pull the other one.
Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes.

You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for.

In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things.

Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.
people are dying? RUBBISH! if they are then there really is something wrong with a society where you'd rather have a car.tv or mobile phone than feed your selves.
Don't give me the usual do gooder reply I was brought up in a far worse situation than these so called desperate people & like welfare unless you type of peple realise that making people think they can live the good life on the welfare is & was wrong & it's not Ian Duncan Smiths fault but previous Labour administrations who've made it possible.
For those working I wonder how many get visits & help to sort out their finances? To many believe the extra niceties in life are now essentials so they have to have them rather than pay for food.
How many can be bothered to get seeds & grow veggies in their gardens ?
This is about this generation not knowing what they need & what they can go with out.
I had bread & dripping for my tea when I was young so don't give me this sob story.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank![/p][/quote]Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.[/p][/quote]so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar? none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband? None have cars? None go on holiday? now pull the other one.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes. You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for. In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things. Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.[/p][/quote]people are dying? RUBBISH! if they are then there really is something wrong with a society where you'd rather have a car.tv or mobile phone than feed your selves. Don't give me the usual do gooder reply I was brought up in a far worse situation than these so called desperate people & like welfare unless you type of peple realise that making people think they can live the good life on the welfare is & was wrong & it's not Ian Duncan Smiths fault but previous Labour administrations who've made it possible. For those working I wonder how many get visits & help to sort out their finances? To many believe the extra niceties in life are now essentials so they have to have them rather than pay for food. How many can be bothered to get seeds & grow veggies in their gardens ? This is about this generation not knowing what they need & what they can go with out. I had bread & dripping for my tea when I was young so don't give me this sob story. loosehead
  • Score: -2

8:06am Sat 12 Apr 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank!
Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.
so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar?
none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband?
None have cars? None go on holiday?
now pull the other one.
Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes.

You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for.

In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things.

Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.
Sorry I didn't read all your post but did you watch PMQ's on wednesday?
The point about non payment was put forward & it was pointed out this ATOS was only working in certain areas of the country as it was being rolled out & they were learning from their mistakes & no one should go with out & if specific cases were shown to the Priminister he would look into it & find out why no payment was being made.
Look I know personally of a person claiming disability allowance whilst working yes through a hospital blunder he's disabled but should he be receiving benefit whilst working?
As of now I can't prove it but I know there's many other cases of so called disabled people claiming when there's nothing wrong with them.
This is wrong & only the genuine claimants should get our help & I'm all for that but please tell me how do you work out who's on the fiddle & who's genuine?
Rowenna is doing a political stunt to try to win votes so this is wrong.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank![/p][/quote]Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.[/p][/quote]so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar? none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband? None have cars? None go on holiday? now pull the other one.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes. You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for. In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things. Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.[/p][/quote]Sorry I didn't read all your post but did you watch PMQ's on wednesday? The point about non payment was put forward & it was pointed out this ATOS was only working in certain areas of the country as it was being rolled out & they were learning from their mistakes & no one should go with out & if specific cases were shown to the Priminister he would look into it & find out why no payment was being made. Look I know personally of a person claiming disability allowance whilst working yes through a hospital blunder he's disabled but should he be receiving benefit whilst working? As of now I can't prove it but I know there's many other cases of so called disabled people claiming when there's nothing wrong with them. This is wrong & only the genuine claimants should get our help & I'm all for that but please tell me how do you work out who's on the fiddle & who's genuine? Rowenna is doing a political stunt to try to win votes so this is wrong. loosehead
  • Score: -3

8:13am Sat 12 Apr 14

loosehead says...

George4th wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
loosehead wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
andysaints007 wrote:
I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank!
Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.
so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar?
none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband?
None have cars? None go on holiday?
now pull the other one.
Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes.

You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for.

In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things.

Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.
"Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system."

And your proof is?

I find it amusing that critics of the coalition's policies have forgotten what a god almighty mess the last Labour government made, including widening the gap between the have and the have nots - they made the poor, poorer! :-)

P.S. Once you throw insults, you have lost the argument, as you did to Loosehead...........

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George you & I have lived through times a lot worse than this yet we never starved so if they are then what are they doing?
In a world where families have found ways to bleed the system dry no one should be starving.
If a family are working but can't feed themselves we should be looking at the reasons why not?
I've listened to a lady who was upset that a single mum on welfare was buying PC's for her kids whilst the only way she & her husband could do that was to cut back on food?
I suggested to my vicar/pastor that we asked the congregation for any PC's they no longer use & open up a homework club for those whose families can't afford the computers.
We should be helping these people by looking at what they spend their money on & maybe show them away to save money to buy food so helping them to help themselves,
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many set sky to record, stub out their fags and swith off their iphones before they go into a food bank![/p][/quote]Almost certainly, none. Go and watch the one in Bitterne for a couple of hours on a Wednesday and then decide whether your lazy and cliched remark is still valid. Clue: it won't be.[/p][/quote]so your telling me none of them have mobile phones,none have sky or virgin or similar? none of them have games consoles or PC's & none have broadband? None have cars? None go on holiday? now pull the other one.[/p][/quote]Loosehead, as ever, you sound like you've swallowed and are now regurgitating the Daily Express. You come on the boards, pretty much regardless of the subject, and spew out your mean-spirited, bigoted, small-minded platitudes. You've said you'd stand as a UKIP candidate if it weren't for some quarrel you have with the equally small-minded bigot Inform Al - it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. And it speaks volumes for the kind of people who do stand for UKIP: anyone who is thinking of voting for them in the upcoming elections 'as a protest' really should think again, because it's the likes of you they'll be voting for. In terms of the people I've observed, the answers to your questions are 'no'. They cannot afford those things. Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system. Do some research on the way the disability allowances are being butchered around and you'll see what I mean. ATOS have made such a pig's ear of things that their contract has been terminated early - that is a simple and indisputable fact. I am not against reform in principle, but I am sick of the way this government's incompetence and callousness has made life so much harder for those who were already vulnerable. Your response is to deny there's even a problem and to blame the increase in food bank usage on freeloaders. You're wrong.[/p][/quote]"Never mind going hungry - people are dying as a result of Ian Duncan-Smith's changes to the system." And your proof is? I find it amusing that critics of the coalition's policies have forgotten what a god almighty mess the last Labour government made, including widening the gap between the have and the have nots - they made the poor, poorer! :-) P.S. Once you throw insults, you have lost the argument, as you did to Loosehead........... ....[/p][/quote]George you & I have lived through times a lot worse than this yet we never starved so if they are then what are they doing? In a world where families have found ways to bleed the system dry no one should be starving. If a family are working but can't feed themselves we should be looking at the reasons why not? I've listened to a lady who was upset that a single mum on welfare was buying PC's for her kids whilst the only way she & her husband could do that was to cut back on food? I suggested to my vicar/pastor that we asked the congregation for any PC's they no longer use & open up a homework club for those whose families can't afford the computers. We should be helping these people by looking at what they spend their money on & maybe show them away to save money to buy food so helping them to help themselves, loosehead
  • Score: -1

8:14am Sat 12 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
"Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around"
Wow! rapier- like rhetoric. What's "difinitive" by the way?
Difinitive is the same as definitive ...... just spelt differently .... but still means the same
Nope. It means that those who post feeble abuse tend to have few attributes. In this case literacy is not one
In the case of Mr "Never mind going hungry - people are dying" WalkingOnAWire an attribute signally absent is a grip on reality, but then as has been said a million times socialism is a faith not a set of intellectual principles and as a faith has to be shielded from reality.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around" Wow! rapier- like rhetoric. What's "difinitive" by the way?[/p][/quote]Difinitive is the same as definitive ...... just spelt differently .... but still means the same[/p][/quote]Nope. It means that those who post feeble abuse tend to have few attributes. In this case literacy is not one In the case of Mr "Never mind going hungry - people are dying" WalkingOnAWire an attribute signally absent is a grip on reality, but then as has been said a million times socialism is a faith not a set of intellectual principles and as a faith has to be shielded from reality. Dai Rear
  • Score: -3

10:25am Sat 12 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
"Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around"
Wow! rapier- like rhetoric. What's "difinitive" by the way?
Difinitive is the same as definitive ...... just spelt differently .... but still means the same
Nope. It means that those who post feeble abuse tend to have few attributes. In this case literacy is not one
In the case of Mr "Never mind going hungry - people are dying" WalkingOnAWire an attribute signally absent is a grip on reality, but then as has been said a million times socialism is a faith not a set of intellectual principles and as a faith has to be shielded from reality.
....... and there's me thinking that it was you that cornered the market in "feeble abuse" ........ after all posters have highlighted some enormous similarities with your posting name and the content of the posts that you actually make.
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I can only concur ....... With or without my command of the English language or perhaps a lack of literacy ........... I suppose that it proves that even Intelectualls such as yourself can still be @sses . ......
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How's that for a touch of "reality" ....
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: "Schoolboy84 thinks that difinitive information is about cutting and pasting from the Daily Fail ...... and throwing insults around" Wow! rapier- like rhetoric. What's "difinitive" by the way?[/p][/quote]Difinitive is the same as definitive ...... just spelt differently .... but still means the same[/p][/quote]Nope. It means that those who post feeble abuse tend to have few attributes. In this case literacy is not one In the case of Mr "Never mind going hungry - people are dying" WalkingOnAWire an attribute signally absent is a grip on reality, but then as has been said a million times socialism is a faith not a set of intellectual principles and as a faith has to be shielded from reality.[/p][/quote]....... and there's me thinking that it was you that cornered the market in "feeble abuse" ........ after all posters have highlighted some enormous similarities with your posting name and the content of the posts that you actually make. . I can only concur ....... With or without my command of the English language or perhaps a lack of literacy ........... I suppose that it proves that even Intelectualls such as yourself can still be @sses . ...... . How's that for a touch of "reality" .... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

11:40am Sat 12 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

No, just more of the same. Revenons a nos moutons. The Beveridge Report was the product of a Coalition. Its execution was the work of the Attlee government and it has been a great success. People like me would probably have lamented it at the time but you (if you are attempting any form of argument at all Lone Ranger, which is unclear) were vindicated then. But what it means is that in UK there is no "poverty" in any meaningful sense and food banks are for brief emergencies (because the bureaucracy of welfare is creaky and inefficient) and not, as the nice looking socialist candidate would like it to be) an outward and visible sign of a general malaise.
Now you can carry on with the witless drivel about diarrhoea, Lone Ranger, if such is your desire. Otherwise maybe button your lip?
No, just more of the same. Revenons a nos moutons. The Beveridge Report was the product of a Coalition. Its execution was the work of the Attlee government and it has been a great success. People like me would probably have lamented it at the time but you (if you are attempting any form of argument at all Lone Ranger, which is unclear) were vindicated then. But what it means is that in UK there is no "poverty" in any meaningful sense and food banks are for brief emergencies (because the bureaucracy of welfare is creaky and inefficient) and not, as the nice looking socialist candidate would like it to be) an outward and visible sign of a general malaise. Now you can carry on with the witless drivel about diarrhoea, Lone Ranger, if such is your desire. Otherwise maybe button your lip? Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

1:09pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Dai Rear wrote:
No, just more of the same. Revenons a nos moutons. The Beveridge Report was the product of a Coalition. Its execution was the work of the Attlee government and it has been a great success. People like me would probably have lamented it at the time but you (if you are attempting any form of argument at all Lone Ranger, which is unclear) were vindicated then. But what it means is that in UK there is no "poverty" in any meaningful sense and food banks are for brief emergencies (because the bureaucracy of welfare is creaky and inefficient) and not, as the nice looking socialist candidate would like it to be) an outward and visible sign of a general malaise.
Now you can carry on with the witless drivel about diarrhoea, Lone Ranger, if such is your desire. Otherwise maybe button your lip?
Now where did i mention diarrhoea you must have a complex about that name you post with .......
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"Otherwise maybe button your lip" ............. or what exactly ..... idle threats ?? ..... or perhaps you are full of it ... diarrhoea i mean
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As regards an argument ....... no i am obviously not as intellegent as you think you are .... and by the seems of it that is not very intellegent
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[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: No, just more of the same. Revenons a nos moutons. The Beveridge Report was the product of a Coalition. Its execution was the work of the Attlee government and it has been a great success. People like me would probably have lamented it at the time but you (if you are attempting any form of argument at all Lone Ranger, which is unclear) were vindicated then. But what it means is that in UK there is no "poverty" in any meaningful sense and food banks are for brief emergencies (because the bureaucracy of welfare is creaky and inefficient) and not, as the nice looking socialist candidate would like it to be) an outward and visible sign of a general malaise. Now you can carry on with the witless drivel about diarrhoea, Lone Ranger, if such is your desire. Otherwise maybe button your lip?[/p][/quote]Now where did i mention diarrhoea you must have a complex about that name you post with ....... . "Otherwise maybe button your lip" ............. or what exactly ..... idle threats ?? ..... or perhaps you are full of it ... diarrhoea i mean . As regards an argument ....... no i am obviously not as intellegent as you think you are .... and by the seems of it that is not very intellegent . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

1:38pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Dai Rear says...

I assume you're a Saints supporter who came on this one by mistake. Do go back to your area of expertise-please.
I assume you're a Saints supporter who came on this one by mistake. Do go back to your area of expertise-please. Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

2:13pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Dai Rear wrote:
I assume you're a Saints supporter who came on this one by mistake. Do go back to your area of expertise-please.
Never ASSume anything .... surely with your intellegence you would have known that.
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No not an expert on football or Saints and never have claimed to be ..... .. ......... What a pity that you still seem to be looking for your area of expertise though .......
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[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: I assume you're a Saints supporter who came on this one by mistake. Do go back to your area of expertise-please.[/p][/quote]Never ASSume anything .... surely with your intellegence you would have known that. . No not an expert on football or Saints and never have claimed to be ..... .. ......... What a pity that you still seem to be looking for your area of expertise though ....... . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 1

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