New location for city's Southampton's Spitfire tribute at Mayflower Park

The the Spitfire memorial is expected to look

A Spitfire

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SOUTHAMPTON’S long-awaited tribute to the Spitfire has a new home.

A 40-metre high statue of the iconic aircraft had been set to be built on the Trafalgar dry dock on the city’s waterfront.

Those plans were scuppered by new plans for the Royal Pier development – and the Daily Echo can now reveal the memorial could stand in Mayflower Park instead, with a planning application set to be submitted.

About £100,000 had already been raised for the project through a fundraising campaign.

But that money has all gone on studies and reports for its previous locations, and it means the drive to raise £2.5m for the statue must start again.

Planning permission for the statue in Trafalgar dock was granted in 2011, but now that plan has been changed as a result of the emerging Royal Pier development.

As part of the proposed £450m plans to regenerate the disused waterfront, the Trafalgar Dock would be used by ferry firm Red Funnel, and so would not have been able to be seen by as many people as hoped.

But a potential new home for the gleaming metal tribute has now been found, following crunch talks between the city council and the group behind the plans, which is now being coordinated by the Solent Sky museum and former city council leisure chief John Hannides.

A new panel to drive it forward will be announced later in the year.

Waterfront land in Mayflower Park will be its new home if planning permission is granted at the new site.

Solent Sky’s Alan Jones has urged anyone interested in helping the project to contact the museum. He said: “We think the city deserves this. But it is also a national monument, and we are looking at getting national support.”

City council leader Simon Letts said the council was “very keen” on the idea, and the authority had formally agreed that the land at Mayflower Park could be used for the monument, provided that it does not interfere with the PSP Boat Show. A decision is likely in June.

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5:49am Wed 16 Apr 14

loosehead says...

Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?
Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there? loosehead
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6:26am Wed 16 Apr 14

Norwegian Saint says...

It would have been nice for the cruise ships to pass this monument, one of the greatest aircraft ever built feels like its been stuck at the back of the cupboard down that end.
Like the comment above, why not Woolston area?
Another stupid decision.
It would have been nice for the cruise ships to pass this monument, one of the greatest aircraft ever built feels like its been stuck at the back of the cupboard down that end. Like the comment above, why not Woolston area? Another stupid decision. Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 23

7:48am Wed 16 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

So they have already thrown 100k up the wall, what a joke. Take the project away from them before they waste any more money. Why couldn't colleges and Universities get involved in building this at a much cheaper cost.
We built the original plane but we can't even make a model now.
So they have already thrown 100k up the wall, what a joke. Take the project away from them before they waste any more money. Why couldn't colleges and Universities get involved in building this at a much cheaper cost. We built the original plane but we can't even make a model now. bigfella777
  • Score: 27

8:10am Wed 16 Apr 14

Zexagon says...

Who do you contact about asking for a breakdown on costs. Where the f#$k has £100k gone? Studies and reports? What do they actually do during the day?
Who do you contact about asking for a breakdown on costs. Where the f#$k has £100k gone? Studies and reports? What do they actually do during the day? Zexagon
  • Score: 34

8:12am Wed 16 Apr 14

Zexagon says...

Knowing the powers that be, they'll put it in Test park or Itchen valley country park.
Knowing the powers that be, they'll put it in Test park or Itchen valley country park. Zexagon
  • Score: 6

8:13am Wed 16 Apr 14

Brite Spark says...

loosehead wrote:
Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?
No one wants to go to Woolston it's much like Eastleigh. It should be built somewhere people will see if they go out for the day.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?[/p][/quote]No one wants to go to Woolston it's much like Eastleigh. It should be built somewhere people will see if they go out for the day. Brite Spark
  • Score: 13

9:19am Wed 16 Apr 14

Woolston Lad says...

If you put it where the factory was in Woolston, then it would also serve as a memorial to the people twho died there when the factory was destroyed by the bombing.
If you put it where the factory was in Woolston, then it would also serve as a memorial to the people twho died there when the factory was destroyed by the bombing. Woolston Lad
  • Score: 31

9:23am Wed 16 Apr 14

loosehead says...

Woolston Lad wrote:
If you put it where the factory was in Woolston, then it would also serve as a memorial to the people twho died there when the factory was destroyed by the bombing.
exactly!
[quote][p][bold]Woolston Lad[/bold] wrote: If you put it where the factory was in Woolston, then it would also serve as a memorial to the people twho died there when the factory was destroyed by the bombing.[/p][/quote]exactly! loosehead
  • Score: 19

9:25am Wed 16 Apr 14

Outside of the Box says...

Bored of the whole lots of this, plans, designs, feasibility studies and next, the Boats show objects, the money can't raised, one council after another have tried and failed to get the statue erected, one is beginning to believe that the only erections to be had are inside the Council Chamber.
Bored of the whole lots of this, plans, designs, feasibility studies and next, the Boats show objects, the money can't raised, one council after another have tried and failed to get the statue erected, one is beginning to believe that the only erections to be had are inside the Council Chamber. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 6

9:49am Wed 16 Apr 14

derek james says...

my mother who's in her 90's was almost killed in the sept 1940 air raid working in the woolston factory.about time there was some memorial
my mother who's in her 90's was almost killed in the sept 1940 air raid working in the woolston factory.about time there was some memorial derek james
  • Score: 22

9:56am Wed 16 Apr 14

Mr E says...

£100,000 on feasibility studies and they still cant find a decent place to put it


where do I apply for the post of Statue Feasibility officer ?
£100,000 on feasibility studies and they still cant find a decent place to put it where do I apply for the post of Statue Feasibility officer ? Mr E
  • Score: 39

10:11am Wed 16 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

derek james wrote:
my mother who's in her 90's was almost killed in the sept 1940 air raid working in the woolston factory.about time there was some memorial
There is a memorial there
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: my mother who's in her 90's was almost killed in the sept 1940 air raid working in the woolston factory.about time there was some memorial[/p][/quote]There is a memorial there bigfella777
  • Score: 6

10:12am Wed 16 Apr 14

Saint Botley says...

I agree Woolston deserves a memorial and it should have been done years ago but this particular design could be quite a draw for the city and needs to be in the centre to attract visitors. Mayflower park sounds like a decent option to me. I hope it gets done this time.
I agree Woolston deserves a memorial and it should have been done years ago but this particular design could be quite a draw for the city and needs to be in the centre to attract visitors. Mayflower park sounds like a decent option to me. I hope it gets done this time. Saint Botley
  • Score: 12

10:34am Wed 16 Apr 14

wwozzer says...

When planning permission was granted for the royal pier development surely some compensation should have been paid for scuppering the monuments already granted permission.

....or if the council had a functioning brain cell a condition of permission for the royal pier development could have been the developers making a sizeable contribution to the cost of the spitfire statue. Bearing in mind it's part of a 450 million
development I don't see how it would have been a big ask?
When planning permission was granted for the royal pier development surely some compensation should have been paid for scuppering the monuments already granted permission. ....or if the council had a functioning brain cell a condition of permission for the royal pier development could have been the developers making a sizeable contribution to the cost of the spitfire statue. Bearing in mind it's part of a 450 million development I don't see how it would have been a big ask? wwozzer
  • Score: 11

10:52am Wed 16 Apr 14

Brite Spark says...

If the picture is of 'how it is expected to look', what are the buildings in the background, because they aren't part of the 'new docks'?
If the picture is of 'how it is expected to look', what are the buildings in the background, because they aren't part of the 'new docks'? Brite Spark
  • Score: 3

11:36am Wed 16 Apr 14

mercrocker says...

Because the "artists impression" probably cost a good deal of that 100K so you would expect a few "extras". Looks like a cut and paste from Town Quay...that was money well spent, then!
Because the "artists impression" probably cost a good deal of that 100K so you would expect a few "extras". Looks like a cut and paste from Town Quay...that was money well spent, then! mercrocker
  • Score: 5

11:38am Wed 16 Apr 14

bridgey says...

How the hell can you spend £100k on deciding where to put a statue?
How the hell can you spend £100k on deciding where to put a statue? bridgey
  • Score: 13

11:55am Wed 16 Apr 14

phil maccavity says...

Brite Spark wrote:
If the picture is of 'how it is expected to look', what are the buildings in the background, because they aren't part of the 'new docks'?
I think the location shown is 48/9 berths in the Eastern Docks (ie one of the original suggested sites ie alongside the old Trafalgar Dry Dock)

It seems as if one of the old Flying Boat mooring pontoons is in the foreground and a very squashed Town Quay in the background
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: If the picture is of 'how it is expected to look', what are the buildings in the background, because they aren't part of the 'new docks'?[/p][/quote]I think the location shown is 48/9 berths in the Eastern Docks (ie one of the original suggested sites ie alongside the old Trafalgar Dry Dock) It seems as if one of the old Flying Boat mooring pontoons is in the foreground and a very squashed Town Quay in the background phil maccavity
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Efficacy167 says...

I'm amazed that this thing is still happening - that's a lot of money still to find to build it so I can't see it getting off the ground any time soon.

This design looks better in any case and has gathered interest from the aviation world: http://victoryrole.c
om/image-gallery.htm
l

And in this video it looks amazing: https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=aoau4lYP
8VM&feature=youtu.be
I'm amazed that this thing is still happening - that's a lot of money still to find to build it so I can't see it getting off the ground [hee hee] any time soon. This design looks better in any case and has gathered interest from the aviation world: http://victoryrole.c om/image-gallery.htm l And in this video it looks amazing: https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=aoau4lYP 8VM&feature=youtu.be Efficacy167
  • Score: 1

12:56pm Wed 16 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

I'm pleased to see this in the news once again. I thought this had gone down the pan as it was not a whole bunch of even more shops, bars and restaurants. This scheme is needed as we will finally be paying more of a tribute to the Spitfire and those who died flying and building them in the factory raids than just a museum in a disused area of town that the Council are determined to turn into flats and a couple of plaques on the factory site in Woolston that are in the middle of a chav infested housing estate.

I can understand people's points about it being in Woolston, as to me at least there is no more prominent location for a Spitfire Memorial than Woolston where the first one was built. However, it appears like all Southampton developments these days it's a case of shoving everything into the City Centre and sod the rest of the City and if it's not within a mile of West Quay then it ain't worth bothering about.

Why could it not have been included as part of the Royal Pier plans? Could it be because as a historical landmark it won't bring in that much in the way of revenue? I still don't get why they can't apply for a Heritage Grant for this. Portsmouth would have done it, if it had been them in this position.

This needs to happen! There is too much focus on the Titanic in this City and not enough on the Spitfire.
I'm pleased to see this in the news once again. I thought this had gone down the pan as it was not a whole bunch of even more shops, bars and restaurants. This scheme is needed as we will finally be paying more of a tribute to the Spitfire and those who died flying and building them in the factory raids than just a museum in a disused area of town that the Council are determined to turn into flats and a couple of plaques on the factory site in Woolston that are in the middle of a chav infested housing estate. I can understand people's points about it being in Woolston, as to me at least there is no more prominent location for a Spitfire Memorial than Woolston where the first one was built. However, it appears like all Southampton developments these days it's a case of shoving everything into the City Centre and sod the rest of the City and if it's not within a mile of West Quay then it ain't worth bothering about. Why could it not have been included as part of the Royal Pier plans? Could it be because as a historical landmark it won't bring in that much in the way of revenue? I still don't get why they can't apply for a Heritage Grant for this. Portsmouth would have done it, if it had been them in this position. This needs to happen! There is too much focus on the Titanic in this City and not enough on the Spitfire. 03alpe01
  • Score: 7

1:03pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Efficacy167 says...

Brite Spark wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?
No one wants to go to Woolston it's much like Eastleigh. It should be built somewhere people will see if they go out for the day.
In the US they do build things (normally very large things!) so that people will actually have a reason for going somewhere fairly obscure. Woolston needs something to represent its investment in our collective futures.
[quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?[/p][/quote]No one wants to go to Woolston it's much like Eastleigh. It should be built somewhere people will see if they go out for the day.[/p][/quote]In the US they do build things (normally very large things!) so that people will actually have a reason for going somewhere fairly obscure. Woolston needs something to represent its investment in our collective futures. Efficacy167
  • Score: 6

1:35pm Wed 16 Apr 14

City Final says...

You want an iconic location? You want it near where it was built in Woolston? How about somehow supported on 4 perspex legs, pyramid style, directly above the centre of the Itchen Bridge ? Could be seen for miles and right next to it's spiritual home. Might even be able to fix up some sort of massive circular structure so it could loop-the-loop over and under the bridge on special occasions. All it needs is a council with some imagination. Oh, and another £100k just to think about it I guess.
You want an iconic location? You want it near where it was built in Woolston? How about somehow supported on 4 perspex legs, pyramid style, directly above the centre of the Itchen Bridge ? Could be seen for miles and right next to it's spiritual home. Might even be able to fix up some sort of massive circular structure so it could loop-the-loop over and under the bridge on special occasions. All it needs is a council with some imagination. Oh, and another £100k just to think about it I guess. City Final
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Wed 16 Apr 14

bobby the crane says...

derek james wrote:
my mother who's in her 90's was almost killed in the sept 1940 air raid working in the woolston factory.about time there was some memorial
What statement is this ''almost'' she is in her 90's & probably enjoyed her life in full God bless her, the most obvious place is Mayflower Park where everybody can view it Sorry Derek
[quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: my mother who's in her 90's was almost killed in the sept 1940 air raid working in the woolston factory.about time there was some memorial[/p][/quote]What statement is this ''almost'' she is in her 90's & probably enjoyed her life in full God bless her, the most obvious place is Mayflower Park where everybody can view it Sorry Derek bobby the crane
  • Score: 2

2:12pm Wed 16 Apr 14

pinions says...

loosehead wrote:
Woolston Lad wrote:
If you put it where the factory was in Woolston, then it would also serve as a memorial to the people twho died there when the factory was destroyed by the bombing.
exactly!
Excellent idea loosehead - and how much did that cost us?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston Lad[/bold] wrote: If you put it where the factory was in Woolston, then it would also serve as a memorial to the people twho died there when the factory was destroyed by the bombing.[/p][/quote]exactly![/p][/quote]Excellent idea loosehead - and how much did that cost us? pinions
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Brite Spark says...

Efficacy167 wrote:
Brite Spark wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?
No one wants to go to Woolston it's much like Eastleigh. It should be built somewhere people will see if they go out for the day.
In the US they do build things (normally very large things!) so that people will actually have a reason for going somewhere fairly obscure. Woolston needs something to represent its investment in our collective futures.
They did that very successfully in Portsmouth as well.
[quote][p][bold]Efficacy167[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brite Spark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?[/p][/quote]No one wants to go to Woolston it's much like Eastleigh. It should be built somewhere people will see if they go out for the day.[/p][/quote]In the US they do build things (normally very large things!) so that people will actually have a reason for going somewhere fairly obscure. Woolston needs something to represent its investment in our collective futures.[/p][/quote]They did that very successfully in Portsmouth as well. Brite Spark
  • Score: 6

3:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

willygetaway says...

loosehead wrote:
Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?
why not make it the shell of a real one, people ?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?[/p][/quote]why not make it the shell of a real one, people ? willygetaway
  • Score: 1

3:50pm Wed 16 Apr 14

derek james says...

bobby the crane wrote:
derek james wrote:
my mother who's in her 90's was almost killed in the sept 1940 air raid working in the woolston factory.about time there was some memorial
What statement is this ''almost'' she is in her 90's & probably enjoyed her life in full God bless her, the most obvious place is Mayflower Park where everybody can view it Sorry Derek
they had allotted shelters, hers was full so she went to another, the"proper "shelter had a direct hit killing all inside it.she still has what they might call ptsd these days occasionally
[quote][p][bold]bobby the crane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]derek james[/bold] wrote: my mother who's in her 90's was almost killed in the sept 1940 air raid working in the woolston factory.about time there was some memorial[/p][/quote]What statement is this ''almost'' she is in her 90's & probably enjoyed her life in full God bless her, the most obvious place is Mayflower Park where everybody can view it Sorry Derek[/p][/quote]they had allotted shelters, hers was full so she went to another, the"proper "shelter had a direct hit killing all inside it.she still has what they might call ptsd these days occasionally derek james
  • Score: 0

3:51pm Wed 16 Apr 14

loosehead says...

willygetaway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?
why not make it the shell of a real one, people ?
I have suggested a large scale copy with a restaurant & viewing platform at the edge of the new version of Mayflower park something to nock the spots off of the Spinnaker Tower.
[quote][p][bold]willygetaway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?[/p][/quote]why not make it the shell of a real one, people ?[/p][/quote]I have suggested a large scale copy with a restaurant & viewing platform at the edge of the new version of Mayflower park something to nock the spots off of the Spinnaker Tower. loosehead
  • Score: 0

4:11pm Wed 16 Apr 14

willygetaway says...

loosehead wrote:
willygetaway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?
why not make it the shell of a real one, people ?
I have suggested a large scale copy with a restaurant & viewing platform at the edge of the new version of Mayflower park something to nock the spots off of the Spinnaker Tower.
I just want to see a PROPER one built together, with a statue of RG Michell
(just a thought)
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willygetaway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?[/p][/quote]why not make it the shell of a real one, people ?[/p][/quote]I have suggested a large scale copy with a restaurant & viewing platform at the edge of the new version of Mayflower park something to nock the spots off of the Spinnaker Tower.[/p][/quote]I just want to see a PROPER one built together, with a statue of RG Michell (just a thought) willygetaway
  • Score: 1

4:15pm Wed 16 Apr 14

willygetaway says...

Mr E wrote:
£100,000 on feasibility studies and they still cant find a decent place to put it


where do I apply for the post of Statue Feasibility officer ?
I Agree
[quote][p][bold]Mr E[/bold] wrote: £100,000 on feasibility studies and they still cant find a decent place to put it where do I apply for the post of Statue Feasibility officer ?[/p][/quote]I Agree willygetaway
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Efficacy167 says...

willygetaway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
willygetaway wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?
why not make it the shell of a real one, people ?
I have suggested a large scale copy with a restaurant & viewing platform at the edge of the new version of Mayflower park something to nock the spots off of the Spinnaker Tower.
I just want to see a PROPER one built together, with a statue of RG Michell
(just a thought)
This proposal incorporates an exhibition centre and real Spitfire parts, plus the image of RJ Mitchell prominently: http://bit.ly/1r09Ts
j.

In for a penny, in for a pound. Half measures will not bring in tourists, nor do justice to such a pivotal part of our history.
[quote][p][bold]willygetaway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]willygetaway[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Home of the Spitfire? Woolston so why not build this small statue there?[/p][/quote]why not make it the shell of a real one, people ?[/p][/quote]I have suggested a large scale copy with a restaurant & viewing platform at the edge of the new version of Mayflower park something to nock the spots off of the Spinnaker Tower.[/p][/quote]I just want to see a PROPER one built together, with a statue of RG Michell (just a thought)[/p][/quote]This proposal incorporates an exhibition centre and real Spitfire parts, plus the image of RJ Mitchell prominently: http://bit.ly/1r09Ts j. In for a penny, in for a pound. Half measures will not bring in tourists, nor do justice to such a pivotal part of our history. Efficacy167
  • Score: 4

8:43pm Wed 16 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

What we really need is a new Aviation Museum, the old one is past its sell by date and nobody knows where it is these days. Perhaps a combined land and sea transport Museum would be even better, we have a tremendous and untapped heritage here in Southampton which has been neglected for too long.
What we really need is a new Aviation Museum, the old one is past its sell by date and nobody knows where it is these days. Perhaps a combined land and sea transport Museum would be even better, we have a tremendous and untapped heritage here in Southampton which has been neglected for too long. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

9:10pm Wed 16 Apr 14

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
What we really need is a new Aviation Museum, the old one is past its sell by date and nobody knows where it is these days. Perhaps a combined land and sea transport Museum would be even better, we have a tremendous and untapped heritage here in Southampton which has been neglected for too long.
maybe bring back a flying boat/sea plane?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: What we really need is a new Aviation Museum, the old one is past its sell by date and nobody knows where it is these days. Perhaps a combined land and sea transport Museum would be even better, we have a tremendous and untapped heritage here in Southampton which has been neglected for too long.[/p][/quote]maybe bring back a flying boat/sea plane? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:13pm Wed 16 Apr 14

sotonboy84 says...

wwozzer wrote:
When planning permission was granted for the royal pier development surely some compensation should have been paid for scuppering the monuments already granted permission.

....or if the council had a functioning brain cell a condition of permission for the royal pier development could have been the developers making a sizeable contribution to the cost of the spitfire statue. Bearing in mind it's part of a 450 million
development I don't see how it would have been a big ask?
This is the council you're talking about. They'll sell the city & all it's heritage out in a flash to appease developers. If the statue was taxable, it would have been built already!
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: When planning permission was granted for the royal pier development surely some compensation should have been paid for scuppering the monuments already granted permission. ....or if the council had a functioning brain cell a condition of permission for the royal pier development could have been the developers making a sizeable contribution to the cost of the spitfire statue. Bearing in mind it's part of a 450 million development I don't see how it would have been a big ask?[/p][/quote]This is the council you're talking about. They'll sell the city & all it's heritage out in a flash to appease developers. If the statue was taxable, it would have been built already! sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

9:19pm Wed 16 Apr 14

03alpe01 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
What we really need is a new Aviation Museum, the old one is past its sell by date and nobody knows where it is these days. Perhaps a combined land and sea transport Museum would be even better, we have a tremendous and untapped heritage here in Southampton which has been neglected for too long.
We do. The land, sea and transport museum would really only be good as an Aviation museum. I reckon the transport side of things we have Beaulieu, the Sea museum, well do I really need to go into that? The Solent Sky Museum deserves better. The Spitfire, flying boat and other exhibits in that museum deserve better. The guys that work there deserve better. They get absolutely no help whatsoever from the Council and they just want to turn it all into flats!
I also get the feeling that the Council aren't too fussed if this doesn't happen, which is a real shame as this is an important part of Southampton's history and heritage. As I've said before, I think a Heritage Lottery Grant could be used for this, if it really is to be a National Memorial with National backing and support. However, as this isn't a huge shopping/ gambling/ restaurant led development nobody will even consider it.

Can we have this plus a new Aviation museum please?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: What we really need is a new Aviation Museum, the old one is past its sell by date and nobody knows where it is these days. Perhaps a combined land and sea transport Museum would be even better, we have a tremendous and untapped heritage here in Southampton which has been neglected for too long.[/p][/quote]We do. The land, sea and transport museum would really only be good as an Aviation museum. I reckon the transport side of things we have Beaulieu, the Sea museum, well do I really need to go into that? The Solent Sky Museum deserves better. The Spitfire, flying boat and other exhibits in that museum deserve better. The guys that work there deserve better. They get absolutely no help whatsoever from the Council and they just want to turn it all into flats! I also get the feeling that the Council aren't too fussed if this doesn't happen, which is a real shame as this is an important part of Southampton's history and heritage. As I've said before, I think a Heritage Lottery Grant could be used for this, if it really is to be a National Memorial with National backing and support. However, as this isn't a huge shopping/ gambling/ restaurant led development nobody will even consider it. Can we have this plus a new Aviation museum please? 03alpe01
  • Score: 4

10:57pm Wed 16 Apr 14

BeyondImagination says...

I think it should be at Southampton airport. Oops, there's already one there.
I think it should be at Southampton airport. Oops, there's already one there. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 0

9:52am Thu 17 Apr 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Would be interesting to see what happened if we ever got"City of Culture".There would be monuments and museums going up quicker than you could say Titanic,Spitfire,May
flower,Battle of Britain and D-Day,not to mention Benny Hill.
The plan would be best served by placing the monument somewhere where it would have the same effect as the "Angel of the North " does on the approach to Newcastle,although,o
ff the top of my head,I can't think where that might be.
Would be interesting to see what happened if we ever got"City of Culture".There would be monuments and museums going up quicker than you could say Titanic,Spitfire,May flower,Battle of Britain and D-Day,not to mention Benny Hill. The plan would be best served by placing the monument somewhere where it would have the same effect as the "Angel of the North " does on the approach to Newcastle,although,o ff the top of my head,I can't think where that might be. Positively4thStreet
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11:17am Fri 18 Apr 14

now in the north says...

An enlarged copy of the one erected in Darwen, lancs. The memorial itself cost 175k without planning etc costs...
An enlarged copy of the one erected in Darwen, lancs. The memorial itself cost 175k without planning etc costs... now in the north
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7:55pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Can we walk around it or do look behind a wire fence!
Can we walk around it or do look behind a wire fence! Fatty x Ford Worker
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7:02pm Mon 5 May 14

Alan Reynard says...

For many years the prospect of the Royal Piers redevelopment hung over the area despite it being fairly obvious that it would never happen, and so I was not surprised in the event, I am though disappointed at the alternative site, it will be partially obscured from the sea and adds nothing to the project, respectfully I would like to suggest an alternative site, a site that has many similarities with the New York Statue of Liberty, accompanied by the same advantage's just as the Tourist will talk endlessly of its stature, so could they of ours.

My proposed site would be on the waterside, clearly seen both from the sea, and the air with the land in the direct ownership of the city council. Weston shore for many consists only of the land and beach at the end of Weston Lane and to the left towards Netley, if instead of turning left
turn to the right past the small sports ground and public toilets, onto a large open field facing the sea, with the yacht club situated at the end, in the near future flood protection work will be required on the breaking down bank, restructuring that, taking into account of my proposal would or could be the first step into the history books both for the Spitfire and a new international recognised leisure park complete with small restaurant, I anticipate the savings that would accrue from this, would be substantial as opposed to purchasing land in the port area.


The direct advantage is two fold within a Public open space and on the edge of Southampton Water, leading to the possibility in the longer term of displaying visiting "Flying boats", ideally I would see the structure on a platform located on a small jetty jutting out into Southampton Water,with the administration office within the confines of an on shore Picturesque Park, with such an attraction on site the City Council would be justified in the expenditure required to turn this area into a superbly landscaped park of International importance as befits the history of the Spitfire.

Taking into account long term population movements, the growth to the West is limited by the terrain of the New Forest and the Test Valley, how ever to the East there is still a huge potential for growth, apart from that presently being built along side the Woolston water front, leading in my view to a dramatic change in the population and transportation structure to the advantage of Southampton East, as opposed to that of the Western edge.
"The tourist trail" there is nothing worse when visiting an attraction than the sudden end, having travelled for sometimes a couple of hours or more it is time to go. At Weston it is quite different, with the adequate parking available there, when you leave the "Spity" you can "walk" and enjoy the shore down to "The Victoria Park" at Netley which is an attraction in its own right and enjoy your picnic. In other words you will have had the opportunity to enjoy a full, unrushed day of leisure. What more could you ask for.
For many years the prospect of the Royal Piers redevelopment hung over the area despite it being fairly obvious that it would never happen, and so I was not surprised in the event, I am though disappointed at the alternative site, it will be partially obscured from the sea and adds nothing to the project, respectfully I would like to suggest an alternative site, a site that has many similarities with the New York Statue of Liberty, accompanied by the same advantage's just as the Tourist will talk endlessly of its stature, so could they of ours. My proposed site would be on the waterside, clearly seen both from the sea, and the air with the land in the direct ownership of the city council. Weston shore for many consists only of the land and beach at the end of Weston Lane and to the left towards Netley, if instead of turning left turn to the right past the small sports ground and public toilets, onto a large open field facing the sea, with the yacht club situated at the end, in the near future flood protection work will be required on the breaking down bank, restructuring that, taking into account of my proposal would or could be the first step into the history books both for the Spitfire and a new international recognised leisure park complete with small restaurant, I anticipate the savings that would accrue from this, [hopefully the council would give the land required] would be substantial as opposed to purchasing land in the port area. The direct advantage is two fold within a Public open space and on the edge of Southampton Water, leading to the possibility in the longer term of displaying visiting "Flying boats", ideally [possible inpractable] I would see the structure on a platform located on a small jetty jutting out into Southampton Water,with the administration office within the confines of an on shore Picturesque Park, with such an attraction on site the City Council would be justified in the expenditure required to turn this area into a superbly landscaped park of International importance as befits the history of the Spitfire. Taking into account long term population movements, the growth to the West is limited by the terrain of the New Forest and the Test Valley, how ever to the East there is still a huge potential for growth, apart from that presently being built along side the Woolston water front, leading in my view to a dramatic [in the long term] change in the population and transportation structure to the advantage of Southampton East, as opposed to that of the Western edge. "The tourist trail" there is nothing worse when visiting an attraction than the sudden end, having travelled for sometimes a couple of hours or more it is time to go. At Weston it is quite different, with the adequate parking available there, when you leave the "Spity" you can "walk" and enjoy the shore down to "The Victoria Park" at Netley which is an attraction in its own right and enjoy your picnic. In other words you will have had the opportunity to enjoy a full, unrushed day of leisure. What more could you ask for. Alan Reynard
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9:03pm Mon 5 May 14

loosehead says...

Alan Reynard wrote:
For many years the prospect of the Royal Piers redevelopment hung over the area despite it being fairly obvious that it would never happen, and so I was not surprised in the event, I am though disappointed at the alternative site, it will be partially obscured from the sea and adds nothing to the project, respectfully I would like to suggest an alternative site, a site that has many similarities with the New York Statue of Liberty, accompanied by the same advantage's just as the Tourist will talk endlessly of its stature, so could they of ours.

My proposed site would be on the waterside, clearly seen both from the sea, and the air with the land in the direct ownership of the city council. Weston shore for many consists only of the land and beach at the end of Weston Lane and to the left towards Netley, if instead of turning left
turn to the right past the small sports ground and public toilets, onto a large open field facing the sea, with the yacht club situated at the end, in the near future flood protection work will be required on the breaking down bank, restructuring that, taking into account of my proposal would or could be the first step into the history books both for the Spitfire and a new international recognised leisure park complete with small restaurant, I anticipate the savings that would accrue from this, would be substantial as opposed to purchasing land in the port area.


The direct advantage is two fold within a Public open space and on the edge of Southampton Water, leading to the possibility in the longer term of displaying visiting "Flying boats", ideally I would see the structure on a platform located on a small jetty jutting out into Southampton Water,with the administration office within the confines of an on shore Picturesque Park, with such an attraction on site the City Council would be justified in the expenditure required to turn this area into a superbly landscaped park of International importance as befits the history of the Spitfire.

Taking into account long term population movements, the growth to the West is limited by the terrain of the New Forest and the Test Valley, how ever to the East there is still a huge potential for growth, apart from that presently being built along side the Woolston water front, leading in my view to a dramatic change in the population and transportation structure to the advantage of Southampton East, as opposed to that of the Western edge.
"The tourist trail" there is nothing worse when visiting an attraction than the sudden end, having travelled for sometimes a couple of hours or more it is time to go. At Weston it is quite different, with the adequate parking available there, when you leave the "Spity" you can "walk" and enjoy the shore down to "The Victoria Park" at Netley which is an attraction in its own right and enjoy your picnic. In other words you will have had the opportunity to enjoy a full, unrushed day of leisure. What more could you ask for.
Wouldn't that be big brother Southampton encroaching on the waterside?
It was built in Woolston wasn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Alan Reynard[/bold] wrote: For many years the prospect of the Royal Piers redevelopment hung over the area despite it being fairly obvious that it would never happen, and so I was not surprised in the event, I am though disappointed at the alternative site, it will be partially obscured from the sea and adds nothing to the project, respectfully I would like to suggest an alternative site, a site that has many similarities with the New York Statue of Liberty, accompanied by the same advantage's just as the Tourist will talk endlessly of its stature, so could they of ours. My proposed site would be on the waterside, clearly seen both from the sea, and the air with the land in the direct ownership of the city council. Weston shore for many consists only of the land and beach at the end of Weston Lane and to the left towards Netley, if instead of turning left turn to the right past the small sports ground and public toilets, onto a large open field facing the sea, with the yacht club situated at the end, in the near future flood protection work will be required on the breaking down bank, restructuring that, taking into account of my proposal would or could be the first step into the history books both for the Spitfire and a new international recognised leisure park complete with small restaurant, I anticipate the savings that would accrue from this, [hopefully the council would give the land required] would be substantial as opposed to purchasing land in the port area. The direct advantage is two fold within a Public open space and on the edge of Southampton Water, leading to the possibility in the longer term of displaying visiting "Flying boats", ideally [possible inpractable] I would see the structure on a platform located on a small jetty jutting out into Southampton Water,with the administration office within the confines of an on shore Picturesque Park, with such an attraction on site the City Council would be justified in the expenditure required to turn this area into a superbly landscaped park of International importance as befits the history of the Spitfire. Taking into account long term population movements, the growth to the West is limited by the terrain of the New Forest and the Test Valley, how ever to the East there is still a huge potential for growth, apart from that presently being built along side the Woolston water front, leading in my view to a dramatic [in the long term] change in the population and transportation structure to the advantage of Southampton East, as opposed to that of the Western edge. "The tourist trail" there is nothing worse when visiting an attraction than the sudden end, having travelled for sometimes a couple of hours or more it is time to go. At Weston it is quite different, with the adequate parking available there, when you leave the "Spity" you can "walk" and enjoy the shore down to "The Victoria Park" at Netley which is an attraction in its own right and enjoy your picnic. In other words you will have had the opportunity to enjoy a full, unrushed day of leisure. What more could you ask for.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't that be big brother Southampton encroaching on the waterside? It was built in Woolston wasn't it? loosehead
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