PCC Simon Hayes wants to know if you trust police in Hampshire?

Have you got confidence in police?

Have you got confidence in police?

First published in News

THE public’s opinions and questions are being sought on confidence in Hampshire’s police.

County Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) Simon Hayes is looking for submitted questions ahead of a meeting with Chief Constable Andy Marsh to scrutinise public confidence in the force.

Questions must be related to confidence in policing, not discuss specific investigations or cases, and not be related to the work of the PCC.

Submit your questions by April 24 by calling 01962 871595, emailing , visiting the PCC’s Facebook page or Tweeting @HantsPCC using the hashtage #COMPASS.

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12:41pm Sat 19 Apr 14

huckit P says...

Too heavy-handed in the wrong places and never around when you need them.
Too heavy-handed in the wrong places and never around when you need them. huckit P
  • Score: -1

1:56pm Sat 19 Apr 14

skeptik says...

I have much respect for the lads and lasses on the line, I do believe there is a lower standard of recruiting than when I grew up and the ethos has changed - it comes across at times - even when officers respond in newspaper columns as though the public are the enemy. I know that feeling I spent much time on the streets of another place. However, I believe the police have not moved into the 21st century adding yet another layer the PCC is a perfect nonsense. We need to change from 43 forces to 8 regions with a central materiel purchasing, central training school - too many personal fiefdoms with armies of chief officers and HQ staffs. Imagine trying to disseminate immediate intelligence or day to day must see -to 43 HQs with varying levels of competence - we have all heard it, a force was not aware of what it's neighbour was doing. The higher echelons grow whilst the front line retreats. I also believe that ACPO is not what is required in policing - it has made pronouncements about what it will or will not do - it should do no more than it is **** well told to do - I would disband it with immediate effect - failure always starts at the top and permeates downwards - failing to get a grip and that is because the wrong people are promoted - acceptability in the UK today overrules ability.
I have much respect for the lads and lasses on the line, I do believe there is a lower standard of recruiting than when I grew up and the ethos has changed - it comes across at times - even when officers respond in newspaper columns as though the public are the enemy. I know that feeling I spent much time on the streets of another place. However, I believe the police have not moved into the 21st century adding yet another layer the PCC is a perfect nonsense. We need to change from 43 forces to 8 regions with a central materiel purchasing, central training school - too many personal fiefdoms with armies of chief officers and HQ staffs. Imagine trying to disseminate immediate intelligence or day to day must see -to 43 HQs with varying levels of competence - we have all heard it, a force was not aware of what it's neighbour was doing. The higher echelons grow whilst the front line retreats. I also believe that ACPO is not what is required in policing - it has made pronouncements about what it will or will not do - it should do no more than it is **** well told to do - I would disband it with immediate effect - failure always starts at the top and permeates downwards - failing to get a grip and that is because the wrong people are promoted - acceptability in the UK today overrules ability. skeptik
  • Score: 5

2:26pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

While vast majority of Bobbies try their very best to do their jobs, and that too under very difficult circumstances created by financial difficulties created by the government that has also forced reduction in number of police officers, it can't be denied that small minority of rotten apples within the police do contribute towards decreasing confidence in the whole institution.

Bad publicity regarding massive cover ups by the cops, abuse of powers by certain indviduals, cooking the books on crime figures by certain forces, and senior office holders of Police Fedration exposed by Home Affairs Select Committe for having made mischiefs to certain Tory MP and then having tried to tell fibs to the Select Committee and many other shameless alleged terrible actions like trying to tarnish the image of the family of Stephene Lawrance, and Hillsbro cover ups etc may be national events, but all of those have contributed towards decreasing public confidence policing all over the country, including Hampshire Constabulary.

Millions wasted on property deals under the Chairmanship of former Police Authority, none other than NuLabour's Cllr. Jacqui Rayment, may not have been exactly beat policing matters, but as these were tagged with police budgets, the bad publicity has had its knock on effects on the image of Hampshire Constabulary. Although bad decisions were encouraged under the control of woman well known for issuing completely false press statements as Deputy Leader of Southampton Council, poor police officers on the front line got tarnished, because many wrongly assume that they have wasted the money and then making false excuses for shortage of funds.

Although still subject of investigations or inquiries or whatever the procedural heading the establishment may use, the head lines in the media, including Daily Echo, about Chief Constable himself allegedly involved in efforts to fog over the very serious sex abuse of children in certain school and allegedly passing on certain operational confidential info to a Member of Parliament and other such decisions at senior levels have not only created suspicions about impartiality and independence of the police, these supposedly well intentioned exposures by the media have also made the job of many front line bobbies very difficult. Because rightly or wrongly many people think that they are all the same.

Institutional tradition within police of even good officers covering or making excuses for bad minority over the years has caused massive damage to confidence in the Police, although the terrible disease is well known to them for some strange reasons they don't appear to be giving up that addiction.

Well known Freemasonary within the police including Hampshire certainly does not inspire decent people's confidence, it even frustrates many good police officers.

So obviously to build greater confidence in Police it is all uphill task for the Police and Crime Commissioner. Hope he succeeds.
While vast majority of Bobbies try their very best to do their jobs, and that too under very difficult circumstances created by financial difficulties created by the government that has also forced reduction in number of police officers, it can't be denied that small minority of rotten apples within the police do contribute towards decreasing confidence in the whole institution. Bad publicity regarding massive cover ups by the cops, abuse of powers by certain indviduals, cooking the books on crime figures by certain forces, and senior office holders of Police Fedration exposed by Home Affairs Select Committe for having made mischiefs to certain Tory MP and then having tried to tell fibs to the Select Committee and many other shameless alleged terrible actions like trying to tarnish the image of the family of Stephene Lawrance, and Hillsbro cover ups etc may be national events, but all of those have contributed towards decreasing public confidence policing all over the country, including Hampshire Constabulary. Millions wasted on property deals under the Chairmanship of former Police Authority, none other than NuLabour's Cllr. Jacqui Rayment, may not have been exactly beat policing matters, but as these were tagged with police budgets, the bad publicity has had its knock on effects on the image of Hampshire Constabulary. Although bad decisions were encouraged under the control of woman well known for issuing completely false press statements as Deputy Leader of Southampton Council, poor police officers on the front line got tarnished, because many wrongly assume that they have wasted the money and then making false excuses for shortage of funds. Although still subject of investigations or inquiries or whatever the procedural heading the establishment may use, the head lines in the media, including Daily Echo, about Chief Constable himself allegedly involved in efforts to fog over the very serious sex abuse of children in certain school and allegedly passing on certain operational confidential info to a Member of Parliament and other such decisions at senior levels have not only created suspicions about impartiality and independence of the police, these supposedly well intentioned exposures by the media have also made the job of many front line bobbies very difficult. Because rightly or wrongly many people think that they are all the same. Institutional tradition within police of even good officers covering or making excuses for bad minority over the years has caused massive damage to confidence in the Police, although the terrible disease is well known to them for some strange reasons they don't appear to be giving up that addiction. Well known Freemasonary within the police including Hampshire certainly does not inspire decent people's confidence, it even frustrates many good police officers. So obviously to build greater confidence in Police it is all uphill task for the Police and Crime Commissioner. Hope he succeeds. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 0

2:45pm Sat 19 Apr 14

skeptik says...

Agree, but all of the ideas put by the PPC will come to nothing unless the leadership that got us to where we are is changed and I do not mean personalities - the whole system has to be moved into the present, for those of us who have long army careers we may look back at military history and see the arguments (1922) over keeping horsed cavalry when armour had taken over the battlefield - what change from horses? We have always done it that way. Problem was and is the decisions have to be made by those not worried about their fiefdoms - putting the questions to those who have already failed is pointless, the wishes of folk should be put to a committee of parliament deciding on future policing.
Agree, but all of the ideas put by the PPC will come to nothing unless the leadership that got us to where we are is changed and I do not mean personalities - the whole system has to be moved into the present, for those of us who have long army careers we may look back at military history and see the arguments (1922) over keeping horsed cavalry when armour had taken over the battlefield - what change from horses? We have always done it that way. Problem was and is the decisions have to be made by those not worried about their fiefdoms - putting the questions to those who have already failed is pointless, the wishes of folk should be put to a committee of parliament deciding on future policing. skeptik
  • Score: 0

4:08pm Sat 19 Apr 14

southy says...

Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force.
I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.
Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force. I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't. southy
  • Score: -6

4:11pm Sat 19 Apr 14

southy says...

southy wrote:
Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force.
I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.
So my question how many and who they are (full list) are members to the Freemasons or have attended meetings that operate behind close doors such as the Bilderberg meetings
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force. I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.[/p][/quote]So my question how many and who they are (full list) are members to the Freemasons or have attended meetings that operate behind close doors such as the Bilderberg meetings southy
  • Score: -5

4:40pm Sat 19 Apr 14

thesouth says...

skeptik wrote:
I have much respect for the lads and lasses on the line, I do believe there is a lower standard of recruiting than when I grew up and the ethos has changed - it comes across at times - even when officers respond in newspaper columns as though the public are the enemy. I know that feeling I spent much time on the streets of another place. However, I believe the police have not moved into the 21st century adding yet another layer the PCC is a perfect nonsense. We need to change from 43 forces to 8 regions with a central materiel purchasing, central training school - too many personal fiefdoms with armies of chief officers and HQ staffs. Imagine trying to disseminate immediate intelligence or day to day must see -to 43 HQs with varying levels of competence - we have all heard it, a force was not aware of what it's neighbour was doing. The higher echelons grow whilst the front line retreats. I also believe that ACPO is not what is required in policing - it has made pronouncements about what it will or will not do - it should do no more than it is **** well told to do - I would disband it with immediate effect - failure always starts at the top and permeates downwards - failing to get a grip and that is because the wrong people are promoted - acceptability in the UK today overrules ability.
The 'it was better in my day' is an obvious comment that is clearly flawed. Do you know what the recruitment procedure is like now?? Also, the 'old school' police are the worst and it's new, young recruits that pull up the standards.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: I have much respect for the lads and lasses on the line, I do believe there is a lower standard of recruiting than when I grew up and the ethos has changed - it comes across at times - even when officers respond in newspaper columns as though the public are the enemy. I know that feeling I spent much time on the streets of another place. However, I believe the police have not moved into the 21st century adding yet another layer the PCC is a perfect nonsense. We need to change from 43 forces to 8 regions with a central materiel purchasing, central training school - too many personal fiefdoms with armies of chief officers and HQ staffs. Imagine trying to disseminate immediate intelligence or day to day must see -to 43 HQs with varying levels of competence - we have all heard it, a force was not aware of what it's neighbour was doing. The higher echelons grow whilst the front line retreats. I also believe that ACPO is not what is required in policing - it has made pronouncements about what it will or will not do - it should do no more than it is **** well told to do - I would disband it with immediate effect - failure always starts at the top and permeates downwards - failing to get a grip and that is because the wrong people are promoted - acceptability in the UK today overrules ability.[/p][/quote]The 'it was better in my day' is an obvious comment that is clearly flawed. Do you know what the recruitment procedure is like now?? Also, the 'old school' police are the worst and it's new, young recruits that pull up the standards. thesouth
  • Score: 0

4:59pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

skeptik wrote:
Agree, but all of the ideas put by the PPC will come to nothing unless the leadership that got us to where we are is changed and I do not mean personalities - the whole system has to be moved into the present, for those of us who have long army careers we may look back at military history and see the arguments (1922) over keeping horsed cavalry when armour had taken over the battlefield - what change from horses? We have always done it that way. Problem was and is the decisions have to be made by those not worried about their fiefdoms - putting the questions to those who have already failed is pointless, the wishes of folk should be put to a committee of parliament deciding on future policing.
Fully support your views.

Although I have more than plenty of reservations about the usefulness of PCCs but that is what we have been lumbered with by our parliament. So if this guy may do even little bit of reform to contribute towards building confidence in front line police officers that can only be a good thing.

But will the PCC will be brave enough to do surgery on top brass of accountants and divert financial resources towards front line officers, whom we really need and contact for on becoming victims of crime?........ As far as I know he has not done that, and I doubt if he will.

Regarding reducing the number of constabularies to reduce fat cats at the top these turkeys are experts at looking after themselves so they have invented their own version of diary in which there will never be any Christmas.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: Agree, but all of the ideas put by the PPC will come to nothing unless the leadership that got us to where we are is changed and I do not mean personalities - the whole system has to be moved into the present, for those of us who have long army careers we may look back at military history and see the arguments (1922) over keeping horsed cavalry when armour had taken over the battlefield - what change from horses? We have always done it that way. Problem was and is the decisions have to be made by those not worried about their fiefdoms - putting the questions to those who have already failed is pointless, the wishes of folk should be put to a committee of parliament deciding on future policing.[/p][/quote]Fully support your views. Although I have more than plenty of reservations about the usefulness of PCCs but that is what we have been lumbered with by our parliament. So if this guy may do even little bit of reform to contribute towards building confidence in front line police officers that can only be a good thing. But will the PCC will be brave enough to do surgery on top brass of accountants and divert financial resources towards front line officers, whom we really need and contact for on becoming victims of crime?........ As far as I know he has not done that, and I doubt if he will. Regarding reducing the number of constabularies to reduce fat cats at the top these turkeys are experts at looking after themselves so they have invented their own version of diary in which there will never be any Christmas. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -2

5:31pm Sat 19 Apr 14

skeptik says...

Much of my desire to see the constabularies reduced to 8 regions and I should say the Met, I would also like to see a separate standards and investigating branch for discipline matters. Not for monetary reasons alone, I cannot begin to imagine how in modern times and crime that this huge structure exists operationally - it truly is a most perfect nonsense.

Thesouth - the question is do the public trust the police - would you suggest that the answer would be the same in the 1950s as today? What I would suggest is clearly flawed is your inability to grasp the subject.
Much of my desire to see the constabularies reduced to 8 regions and I should say the Met, I would also like to see a separate standards and investigating branch for discipline matters. Not for monetary reasons alone, I cannot begin to imagine how in modern times and crime that this huge structure exists operationally - it truly is a most perfect nonsense. Thesouth - the question is do the public trust the police - would you suggest that the answer would be the same in the 1950s as today? What I would suggest is clearly flawed is your inability to grasp the subject. skeptik
  • Score: 0

6:16pm Sat 19 Apr 14

Charlie Bucket says...

southy wrote:
Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force.
I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.
You massively over-estimate the influence of the craft on modern policing.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force. I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.[/p][/quote]You massively over-estimate the influence of the craft on modern policing. Charlie Bucket
  • Score: 2

7:04am Sun 20 Apr 14

thesouth says...

southy wrote:
Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force.
I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.
No one jets appointed to a higher rank without first going through each rank. You are mid led.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force. I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.[/p][/quote]No one jets appointed to a higher rank without first going through each rank. You are mid led. thesouth
  • Score: 1

9:12am Sun 20 Apr 14

Shoong says...

thesouth wrote:
southy wrote:
Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force.
I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.
No one jets appointed to a higher rank without first going through each rank. You are mid led.
No, it's just that everything is a conspiracy.
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force. I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.[/p][/quote]No one jets appointed to a higher rank without first going through each rank. You are mid led.[/p][/quote]No, it's just that everything is a conspiracy. Shoong
  • Score: 1

11:33am Mon 21 Apr 14

southy says...

thesouth wrote:
southy wrote:
Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force.
I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.
No one jets appointed to a higher rank without first going through each rank. You are mid led.
I wish that so but that is not the case, some do but those that come up though the ranks there is a limit of how high they can climb
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Any police officer of any rank that belongs to the Freemason or attends the Bilderberg meetings and there been a few that have or any other organisation that operates behind closed doors should be removed, ranking of officers all should start at the very bottom and work up, there should be none of this who you know or who your family is or how much money you have getting the higher ranks this only leads to a one sided police force. I been on a number of demos and marches in my time and also been on picket lines, and talking to the officers on the front line many know of this one sided it is but have to look as if the are neutral they have to follow orders even when they know it is totally wrong, some wish that they could join in but they can't.[/p][/quote]No one jets appointed to a higher rank without first going through each rank. You are mid led.[/p][/quote]I wish that so but that is not the case, some do but those that come up though the ranks there is a limit of how high they can climb southy
  • Score: 0

1:14pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Inform Al says...

At present everyone joining the police starts on the ground floor and gains promotion on merit. There is a stupid proposal now that university degree entrants may go directly to senior positions without first gaining on the ground experiencing of the job. Only the out of touch Tories could think this to be a good idea.
At present everyone joining the police starts on the ground floor and gains promotion on merit. There is a stupid proposal now that university degree entrants may go directly to senior positions without first gaining on the ground experiencing of the job. Only the out of touch Tories could think this to be a good idea. Inform Al
  • Score: 2

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