Smell of fish from Ocean Processing driving residents mad in Bitterne

Fish stink driving residents mad

Bert and Joan Chapman

Tommi Buckley

Tony Grech

Clive Mortimor

Ocean Processing UK

First published in News
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Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

“STOP the stink!”

That's the message from residents of one Southampton neighbourhood, who say the fishy stench from a nearby business is blighting their community.

And with “constant” noise from the fish processing plant also a nuisance, they are calling on city council chiefs to act as the firm does not have planning permission.

Ocean Processing UK Ltd's plant was first set up in a vacant industrial unit at Hazel Road in Bitterne in February 2012.

The firm uses the site to take in shipments of frozen raw shellfish, cook them, re-freeze them and then ship them out.

But residents in nearby Braeside Road first started to notice the constant drone of generators and compressors at the site in May 2012, with the noise especially bad at night.

And months later, they started to notice the fishy whiff coming from the site.

One of the residents, Tommi Buckley, says the odour can be smelt up to five times every day, and means he is unable to open windows or doors for fear of it settling inside his house.

The 31-year-old said: “It's horrible. It gets into clothes and furniture, I can't put washing out and I can't open windows.”

His wife, 32-year-old Harriet Buckley, said: “When all this first stated I was pregnant and the smell made me sick.

“Now I have a small baby, with summer coming, how am I supposed to keep windows open to keep my daughter cool?”

The noise is also a bugbear for the residents, with neighbour Clive Mortimer saying it can sometimes wake residents up at 2am.

He said: “The noise can be constant, and sounds something like a motor boat going down the river.”

They collected a petition which was signed by 177 people, calling on the council to act.

Cllr Paul Lewzey, a ward councillor who has been working with the residents, says the council is now taking enforcement action against the firm for its breach of planning rules.

The site was previously used as a storage facility by another company.

Daily Echo:

A retrospective planning application from Ocean Processing UK to change it into a fish processing plant was handed in last summer, but then withdrawn.

Cllr Lewzey added: “I've been told the smell can be so bad it's actually woken people up, and having experienced it myself it can be quite sickening.

“Industry has a need to be a good neighbour just as much as anyone else.”

When approached by the Daily Echo, Ocean Processing UK's general manager, Ken Dooner, says he “sympathises” with residents and that the firm has put in measures to lessen the impact of the noise and smell.

He said: “We have carried out work in the compressing room, which was the source of the noise problem.

“We are having an acoustic test done in the next two or three days, and it further work is required we will do it.”

He also said the smell came from “dodgy stuff” which had been delivered but had to be left outside to avoid contamination, although he said they now had a new system to avoid that.

But residents say there has been no difference to the level of the smell and noise, and they now want the city council to clamp down on the firm.

Sixty-five-year-old Joan Chapman, who lives closest to the site, said: “They haven't got planning permission - so why can't the council just turn round to them and tell them to stop?”

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5:38pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Lockssmart says...

Ask Clever Dick, he knows everything.
Ask Clever Dick, he knows everything. Lockssmart
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5:57pm Thu 24 Apr 14

10 Minute Man says...

This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer. 10 Minute Man
  • Score: 5

6:47pm Thu 24 Apr 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Must be just like SKATELAND !!
Must be just like SKATELAND !! SPIKEISLANDTRADER
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7:11pm Thu 24 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.[/p][/quote]I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance. WalkingOnAWire
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7:39pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Inform Al says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
10 Minute Man wrote:
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.
Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.[/p][/quote]I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.[/p][/quote]Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor. Inform Al
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7:41pm Thu 24 Apr 14

sotongirlie says...

Hazel Road is in Woolston
Hazel Road is in Woolston sotongirlie
  • Score: 4

7:43pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Inform Al says...

sotongirlie wrote:
Hazel Road is in Woolston
Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.
[quote][p][bold]sotongirlie[/bold] wrote: Hazel Road is in Woolston[/p][/quote]Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne. Inform Al
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8:34pm Thu 24 Apr 14

userds5050 says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotongirlie wrote:
Hazel Road is in Woolston
Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.
People living by the sea moaning about the smell of fish. Whatever next.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotongirlie[/bold] wrote: Hazel Road is in Woolston[/p][/quote]Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.[/p][/quote]People living by the sea moaning about the smell of fish. Whatever next. userds5050
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9:06pm Thu 24 Apr 14

snapperdownunder says...

userds5050 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotongirlie wrote:
Hazel Road is in Woolston
Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.
People living by the sea moaning about the smell of fish. Whatever next.
There's fish. And then there's rotting fish.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotongirlie[/bold] wrote: Hazel Road is in Woolston[/p][/quote]Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.[/p][/quote]People living by the sea moaning about the smell of fish. Whatever next.[/p][/quote]There's fish. And then there's rotting fish. snapperdownunder
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9:19pm Thu 24 Apr 14

sotongirlie says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotongirlie wrote:
Hazel Road is in Woolston
Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.
It doesn't!!
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotongirlie[/bold] wrote: Hazel Road is in Woolston[/p][/quote]Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.[/p][/quote]It doesn't!! sotongirlie
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9:27pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Biscuit says...

LOL the photos!
LOL the photos! Biscuit
  • Score: 2

9:36pm Thu 24 Apr 14

IronLady2010 says...

Am waiting for Southy to give his reasons.............
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Am waiting for Southy to give his reasons............. ....... IronLady2010
  • Score: 2

9:46pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Stubs says...

Merry oak always smells fishy. Make it smell there. Better than smelling all the drugs these chavs have there. In it.
Merry oak always smells fishy. Make it smell there. Better than smelling all the drugs these chavs have there. In it. Stubs
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10:13pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

covers up the usual stinkers .
covers up the usual stinkers . Bobs Your Uncle ?
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2:35am Fri 25 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
10 Minute Man wrote:
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.
Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.
Interesting, Al. You post a response to this, but not to any of my earlier posts asking about UKIP's policies. Why is that? As a reminder, I asked you about taxation, about maternity leave and pay, and about UKIP's general anti-women approach. You've not addressed any of these so far. Are they proving too difficult for you?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.[/p][/quote]I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.[/p][/quote]Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.[/p][/quote]Interesting, Al. You post a response to this, but not to any of my earlier posts asking about UKIP's policies. Why is that? As a reminder, I asked you about taxation, about maternity leave and pay, and about UKIP's general anti-women approach. You've not addressed any of these so far. Are they proving too difficult for you? WalkingOnAWire
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6:09am Fri 25 Apr 14

skeptik says...

Upon a time the members of parliament would pack up and go back to their constituencies for the summer months as poor old Father Thames reeked a tad . Now he is a clean boy parliament still alongside it is he who would like to make distance from the stench.
Upon a time the members of parliament would pack up and go back to their constituencies for the summer months as poor old Father Thames reeked a tad . Now he is a clean boy parliament still alongside it is he who would like to make distance from the stench. skeptik
  • Score: 0

8:11am Fri 25 Apr 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Am waiting for Southy to give his reasons.............

.......
While I await the views from the ice rink and anti fluoride lobbies.............
..
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: Am waiting for Southy to give his reasons............. .......[/p][/quote]While I await the views from the ice rink and anti fluoride lobbies............. .. FoysCornerBoy
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8:57am Fri 25 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

You've really got to feel for Harriet, his on earth will she keep her baby cool in the summer? The poor thing will be cooking like a meat pie.
Southampton, far too posh for fish
You've really got to feel for Harriet, his on earth will she keep her baby cool in the summer? The poor thing will be cooking like a meat pie. Southampton, far too posh for fish bigfella777
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9:21am Fri 25 Apr 14

10 Minute Man says...

Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
10 Minute Man wrote:
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.
Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.
Well I know that lots of astroturfing and sock puppeteering goes on, especially with local politics, but mine is an honest view from a private citizen. I'm not involved in any political party.

I was intrigued/drawn-in by the UKIP honesty/listening/st
anding-up for Britain approach - which to be honest I think we need more of rather than the "managerial" style of politics we are offered. But looking beyond those UKIP qualities to their other policies, you can start to see what it would be actually like if they were in power....basically they seem to be a party led by people who felt the Tories were/are a bit too liberal and leftwing.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.[/p][/quote]I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.[/p][/quote]Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.[/p][/quote]Well I know that lots of astroturfing and sock puppeteering goes on, especially with local politics, but mine is an honest view from a private citizen. I'm not involved in any political party. I was intrigued/drawn-in by the UKIP honesty/listening/st anding-up for Britain approach - which to be honest I think we need more of rather than the "managerial" style of politics we are offered. But looking beyond those UKIP qualities to their other policies, you can start to see what it would be actually like if they were in power....basically they seem to be a party led by people who felt the Tories were/are a bit too liberal and leftwing. 10 Minute Man
  • Score: 0

9:49am Fri 25 Apr 14

southamptonadi says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
10 Minute Man wrote:
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.
Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.
Interesting, Al. You post a response to this, but not to any of my earlier posts asking about UKIP's policies. Why is that? As a reminder, I asked you about taxation, about maternity leave and pay, and about UKIP's general anti-women approach. You've not addressed any of these so far. Are they proving too difficult for you?
Can I ask you and the ten minute man how a story on a fishy tale turns into an argument about ukip?

I don't feel ukip have enough about them to run the country, but can't see how this story affects them maybe the monster raving looney party would have plans to avoid this smell.
Too many posters on here turn to politics for no reason what so ever.

The real story here is a company are in breach of the existing planning and the council are working towards ending it.

I personally would rather like to know how it took residents months to smell the fish that now aparantly is ruining their lives?
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.[/p][/quote]I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.[/p][/quote]Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.[/p][/quote]Interesting, Al. You post a response to this, but not to any of my earlier posts asking about UKIP's policies. Why is that? As a reminder, I asked you about taxation, about maternity leave and pay, and about UKIP's general anti-women approach. You've not addressed any of these so far. Are they proving too difficult for you?[/p][/quote]Can I ask you and the ten minute man how a story on a fishy tale turns into an argument about ukip? I don't feel ukip have enough about them to run the country, but can't see how this story affects them maybe the monster raving looney party would have plans to avoid this smell. Too many posters on here turn to politics for no reason what so ever. The real story here is a company are in breach of the existing planning and the council are working towards ending it. I personally would rather like to know how it took residents months to smell the fish that now aparantly is ruining their lives? southamptonadi
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10:15am Fri 25 Apr 14

10 Minute Man says...

I linked it because it highlights the need for at least some planning control and enforcement.

I've noticed the typical UKIP (and others) attitude to "all this red-tape" and "town hall busy bodies" is tear it all down because its a nuisance and silly, and common-sense says we don't need them. Even more so if its "come from Europe".

Sorry if the break into politics has irritated you. It often annoys me when threads get hijacked along those lines.
I linked it because it highlights the need for at least some planning control and enforcement. I've noticed the typical UKIP (and others) attitude to "all this red-tape" and "town hall busy bodies" is tear it all down because its a nuisance and silly, and common-sense says we don't need them. Even more so if its "come from Europe". Sorry if the break into politics has irritated you. It often annoys me when threads get hijacked along those lines. 10 Minute Man
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10:33am Fri 25 Apr 14

Tenderhearts wife says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotongirlie wrote:
Hazel Road is in Woolston
Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.
Nope it is definitely and always has been in Woolston.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotongirlie[/bold] wrote: Hazel Road is in Woolston[/p][/quote]Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.[/p][/quote]Nope it is definitely and always has been in Woolston. Tenderhearts wife
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11:12am Fri 25 Apr 14

elvisimo says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
10 Minute Man wrote:
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.
Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.
Interesting, Al. You post a response to this, but not to any of my earlier posts asking about UKIP's policies. Why is that? As a reminder, I asked you about taxation, about maternity leave and pay, and about UKIP's general anti-women approach. You've not addressed any of these so far. Are they proving too difficult for you?
read this - hilarious:
http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/jan/23/the-ukip-pol
itices-disowned-by-n
igel-farage
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.[/p][/quote]I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.[/p][/quote]Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.[/p][/quote]Interesting, Al. You post a response to this, but not to any of my earlier posts asking about UKIP's policies. Why is that? As a reminder, I asked you about taxation, about maternity leave and pay, and about UKIP's general anti-women approach. You've not addressed any of these so far. Are they proving too difficult for you?[/p][/quote]read this - hilarious: http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /jan/23/the-ukip-pol itices-disowned-by-n igel-farage elvisimo
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12:11pm Fri 25 Apr 14

richard57 says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
OH YES THEY ARE.YOU IDIOT
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.[/p][/quote]OH YES THEY ARE.YOU IDIOT richard57
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12:16pm Fri 25 Apr 14

10 Minute Man says...

richard57 wrote:
10 Minute Man wrote:
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
OH YES THEY ARE.YOU IDIOT
Thanks for your considered opinion, and congratulations on waiting for your turn on your day centre's computer.
[quote][p][bold]richard57[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.[/p][/quote]OH YES THEY ARE.YOU IDIOT[/p][/quote]Thanks for your considered opinion, and congratulations on waiting for your turn on your day centre's computer. 10 Minute Man
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12:23pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Whatalovelyday says...

What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live?
What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live? Whatalovelyday
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12:36pm Fri 25 Apr 14

TheTom says...

They’ve obviously never been to skatesville!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
They’ve obviously never been to skatesville!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! TheTom
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1:44pm Fri 25 Apr 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

southamptonadi wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
10 Minute Man wrote:
This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families.

Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.
I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.
Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.
Interesting, Al. You post a response to this, but not to any of my earlier posts asking about UKIP's policies. Why is that? As a reminder, I asked you about taxation, about maternity leave and pay, and about UKIP's general anti-women approach. You've not addressed any of these so far. Are they proving too difficult for you?
Can I ask you and the ten minute man how a story on a fishy tale turns into an argument about ukip?

I don't feel ukip have enough about them to run the country, but can't see how this story affects them maybe the monster raving looney party would have plans to avoid this smell.
Too many posters on here turn to politics for no reason what so ever.

The real story here is a company are in breach of the existing planning and the council are working towards ending it.

I personally would rather like to know how it took residents months to smell the fish that now aparantly is ruining their lives?
Because Inform Al is standing for UKIP in the council elections on 22 May. He posted a not very helpful post on this thread, which is why I asked him what UKIP would actually do about the problem. I'm not seeking to attack UKIP or him, just to get a better understanding of what their policies are. That's particularly important in local government.
[quote][p][bold]southamptonadi[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: This shows why we need planning controls and other 'red-tape' restrictions. The various free marketeers will tell you that they just prevent job creating businesses from flourishing, and stop lovely houses being built for all our hard working families. Similarly with UKIP- yes the EU needs massive reform, but they are not on the side of working people. They'd like to take you out of Europe and away from luxuries such as sick pay, maximum working hours, statutory rest and holiday periods. No, the mainstream parties are not listening too or representing normal people, but please believe me that UKIP are not the answer.[/p][/quote]I agree. Perhaps Alan Kebbell can come on this thread and explain what ukip would offer the residents in this instance.[/p][/quote]Very fishy smell from these two posts, nothing to do with the EU and all to do with local planning laws. I hope the local councillors are taking it on board as I would if I was a local councillor.[/p][/quote]Interesting, Al. You post a response to this, but not to any of my earlier posts asking about UKIP's policies. Why is that? As a reminder, I asked you about taxation, about maternity leave and pay, and about UKIP's general anti-women approach. You've not addressed any of these so far. Are they proving too difficult for you?[/p][/quote]Can I ask you and the ten minute man how a story on a fishy tale turns into an argument about ukip? I don't feel ukip have enough about them to run the country, but can't see how this story affects them maybe the monster raving looney party would have plans to avoid this smell. Too many posters on here turn to politics for no reason what so ever. The real story here is a company are in breach of the existing planning and the council are working towards ending it. I personally would rather like to know how it took residents months to smell the fish that now aparantly is ruining their lives?[/p][/quote]Because Inform Al is standing for UKIP in the council elections on 22 May. He posted a not very helpful post on this thread, which is why I asked him what UKIP would actually do about the problem. I'm not seeking to attack UKIP or him, just to get a better understanding of what their policies are. That's particularly important in local government. WalkingOnAWire
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1:55pm Fri 25 Apr 14

cornishkev says...

sotongirlie wrote:
Hazel Road is in Woolston
Is that a person ?
[quote][p][bold]sotongirlie[/bold] wrote: Hazel Road is in Woolston[/p][/quote]Is that a person ? cornishkev
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1:56pm Fri 25 Apr 14

cornishkev says...

snapperdownunder wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
sotongirlie wrote:
Hazel Road is in Woolston
Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.
People living by the sea moaning about the smell of fish. Whatever next.
There's fish. And then there's rotting fish.
there's legitimate politicians and then there's UKIP
[quote][p][bold]snapperdownunder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotongirlie[/bold] wrote: Hazel Road is in Woolston[/p][/quote]Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.[/p][/quote]People living by the sea moaning about the smell of fish. Whatever next.[/p][/quote]There's fish. And then there's rotting fish.[/p][/quote]there's legitimate politicians and then there's UKIP cornishkev
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3:33pm Fri 25 Apr 14

southy says...

Whatalovelyday wrote:
What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live?
I was thinking what would of these people would of thought back in the 60's and 70;s at the peak of the fishing industry there was 6 fish markets 2 fish processing plants here in Southampton then on top of that there was the meat market
[quote][p][bold]Whatalovelyday[/bold] wrote: What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live?[/p][/quote]I was thinking what would of these people would of thought back in the 60's and 70;s at the peak of the fishing industry there was 6 fish markets 2 fish processing plants here in Southampton then on top of that there was the meat market southy
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5:06pm Fri 25 Apr 14

southy says...

10 Minute Man wrote:
I linked it because it highlights the need for at least some planning control and enforcement.

I've noticed the typical UKIP (and others) attitude to "all this red-tape" and "town hall busy bodies" is tear it all down because its a nuisance and silly, and common-sense says we don't need them. Even more so if its "come from Europe".

Sorry if the break into politics has irritated you. It often annoys me when threads get hijacked along those lines.
Can't get away from politics, it rules our every day life. So yes it is political
[quote][p][bold]10 Minute Man[/bold] wrote: I linked it because it highlights the need for at least some planning control and enforcement. I've noticed the typical UKIP (and others) attitude to "all this red-tape" and "town hall busy bodies" is tear it all down because its a nuisance and silly, and common-sense says we don't need them. Even more so if its "come from Europe". Sorry if the break into politics has irritated you. It often annoys me when threads get hijacked along those lines.[/p][/quote]Can't get away from politics, it rules our every day life. So yes it is political southy
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5:19pm Fri 25 Apr 14

southy says...

Inform Al wrote:
sotongirlie wrote:
Hazel Road is in Woolston
Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.
Try it starts at the junction of Wharf road Woolston and follows the river up wards till about in line with Braeside rd Woolston/Peartree on the other side of the rail tracks, Hazel rd is a dead end road with a foot track at the end of the road which takes to the River Itchen foreshore
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotongirlie[/bold] wrote: Hazel Road is in Woolston[/p][/quote]Starts in Woolston then goes up towards Merry Oak and Bitterne.[/p][/quote]Try it starts at the junction of Wharf road Woolston and follows the river up wards till about in line with Braeside rd Woolston/Peartree on the other side of the rail tracks, Hazel rd is a dead end road with a foot track at the end of the road which takes to the River Itchen foreshore southy
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6:29pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Wolverinefan says...

bigfella777 wrote:
You've really got to feel for Harriet, his on earth will she keep her baby cool in the summer? The poor thing will be cooking like a meat pie. Southampton, far too posh for fish
It's not a question of being "posh" or otherwise, it's a question of poor air quality having a very detrimental effect on the quality of nearby residents.

I live in Gainsford Road and can confirm that the stench from this fish factory is horrendous at times. The homes in Gainsford Road and Braeside Way (which is closest to this particular unit) were built in the 1930s, whilst the industrial units were built decades later, so it is not accurate to regard this as being an industrial area, it is a residential area.

To the person who commented about the perceived time delay in noticing the smell - I can confirm that the residents were very quickly aware of the smell and were in touch with the council soon after the problem began.

As for people thinking that the smell is somehow to be expected, due to living near the river, I can assure you that the stench of rotting fish is NOT part and parcel of living near to the river. There is a certain smell when the tide goes out, which is only to be expected, but this smell is pungent.

I am puzzled as to why this business is still able to operate, despite not having planning permission. I wonder if that would be the case if any councillors were living in the affected area?
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You've really got to feel for Harriet, his on earth will she keep her baby cool in the summer? The poor thing will be cooking like a meat pie. Southampton, far too posh for fish[/p][/quote]It's not a question of being "posh" or otherwise, it's a question of poor air quality having a very detrimental effect on the quality of nearby residents. I live in Gainsford Road and can confirm that the stench from this fish factory is horrendous at times. The homes in Gainsford Road and Braeside Way (which is closest to this particular unit) were built in the 1930s, whilst the industrial units were built decades later, so it is not accurate to regard this as being an industrial area, it is a residential area. To the person who commented about the perceived time delay in noticing the smell - I can confirm that the residents were very quickly aware of the smell and were in touch with the council soon after the problem began. As for people thinking that the smell is somehow to be expected, due to living near the river, I can assure you that the stench of rotting fish is NOT part and parcel of living near to the river. There is a certain smell when the tide goes out, which is only to be expected, but this smell is pungent. I am puzzled as to why this business is still able to operate, despite not having planning permission. I wonder if that would be the case if any councillors were living in the affected area? Wolverinefan
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7:59pm Fri 25 Apr 14

southy says...

Wolverinefan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You've really got to feel for Harriet, his on earth will she keep her baby cool in the summer? The poor thing will be cooking like a meat pie. Southampton, far too posh for fish
It's not a question of being "posh" or otherwise, it's a question of poor air quality having a very detrimental effect on the quality of nearby residents.

I live in Gainsford Road and can confirm that the stench from this fish factory is horrendous at times. The homes in Gainsford Road and Braeside Way (which is closest to this particular unit) were built in the 1930s, whilst the industrial units were built decades later, so it is not accurate to regard this as being an industrial area, it is a residential area.

To the person who commented about the perceived time delay in noticing the smell - I can confirm that the residents were very quickly aware of the smell and were in touch with the council soon after the problem began.

As for people thinking that the smell is somehow to be expected, due to living near the river, I can assure you that the stench of rotting fish is NOT part and parcel of living near to the river. There is a certain smell when the tide goes out, which is only to be expected, but this smell is pungent.

I am puzzled as to why this business is still able to operate, despite not having planning permission. I wonder if that would be the case if any councillors were living in the affected area?
Very good post but there was an industry there before 1930, Itchin ferry boats was built up along Hazel road some where, you also had sea planes built along Hazel road, there was also steam traction builder there and a number of piers and jettys, a number of fishing familys along there also.

As any one check along the river foreshore to see if there is any rotting matter along the shore line like river weed or fish
[quote][p][bold]Wolverinefan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You've really got to feel for Harriet, his on earth will she keep her baby cool in the summer? The poor thing will be cooking like a meat pie. Southampton, far too posh for fish[/p][/quote]It's not a question of being "posh" or otherwise, it's a question of poor air quality having a very detrimental effect on the quality of nearby residents. I live in Gainsford Road and can confirm that the stench from this fish factory is horrendous at times. The homes in Gainsford Road and Braeside Way (which is closest to this particular unit) were built in the 1930s, whilst the industrial units were built decades later, so it is not accurate to regard this as being an industrial area, it is a residential area. To the person who commented about the perceived time delay in noticing the smell - I can confirm that the residents were very quickly aware of the smell and were in touch with the council soon after the problem began. As for people thinking that the smell is somehow to be expected, due to living near the river, I can assure you that the stench of rotting fish is NOT part and parcel of living near to the river. There is a certain smell when the tide goes out, which is only to be expected, but this smell is pungent. I am puzzled as to why this business is still able to operate, despite not having planning permission. I wonder if that would be the case if any councillors were living in the affected area?[/p][/quote]Very good post but there was an industry there before 1930, Itchin ferry boats was built up along Hazel road some where, you also had sea planes built along Hazel road, there was also steam traction builder there and a number of piers and jettys, a number of fishing familys along there also. As any one check along the river foreshore to see if there is any rotting matter along the shore line like river weed or fish southy
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8:25pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Chris_T says...

Whatalovelyday wrote:
What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live?
What came first - fish or rotting fish?
[quote][p][bold]Whatalovelyday[/bold] wrote: What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live?[/p][/quote]What came first - fish or rotting fish? Chris_T
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8:28pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Chris_T says...

southy wrote:
Wolverinefan wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
You've really got to feel for Harriet, his on earth will she keep her baby cool in the summer? The poor thing will be cooking like a meat pie. Southampton, far too posh for fish
It's not a question of being "posh" or otherwise, it's a question of poor air quality having a very detrimental effect on the quality of nearby residents.

I live in Gainsford Road and can confirm that the stench from this fish factory is horrendous at times. The homes in Gainsford Road and Braeside Way (which is closest to this particular unit) were built in the 1930s, whilst the industrial units were built decades later, so it is not accurate to regard this as being an industrial area, it is a residential area.

To the person who commented about the perceived time delay in noticing the smell - I can confirm that the residents were very quickly aware of the smell and were in touch with the council soon after the problem began.

As for people thinking that the smell is somehow to be expected, due to living near the river, I can assure you that the stench of rotting fish is NOT part and parcel of living near to the river. There is a certain smell when the tide goes out, which is only to be expected, but this smell is pungent.

I am puzzled as to why this business is still able to operate, despite not having planning permission. I wonder if that would be the case if any councillors were living in the affected area?
Very good post but there was an industry there before 1930, Itchin ferry boats was built up along Hazel road some where, you also had sea planes built along Hazel road, there was also steam traction builder there and a number of piers and jettys, a number of fishing familys along there also.

As any one check along the river foreshore to see if there is any rotting matter along the shore line like river weed or fish
No need to check the shore line for rotting matter because the smell comes from Unit Z.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wolverinefan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: You've really got to feel for Harriet, his on earth will she keep her baby cool in the summer? The poor thing will be cooking like a meat pie. Southampton, far too posh for fish[/p][/quote]It's not a question of being "posh" or otherwise, it's a question of poor air quality having a very detrimental effect on the quality of nearby residents. I live in Gainsford Road and can confirm that the stench from this fish factory is horrendous at times. The homes in Gainsford Road and Braeside Way (which is closest to this particular unit) were built in the 1930s, whilst the industrial units were built decades later, so it is not accurate to regard this as being an industrial area, it is a residential area. To the person who commented about the perceived time delay in noticing the smell - I can confirm that the residents were very quickly aware of the smell and were in touch with the council soon after the problem began. As for people thinking that the smell is somehow to be expected, due to living near the river, I can assure you that the stench of rotting fish is NOT part and parcel of living near to the river. There is a certain smell when the tide goes out, which is only to be expected, but this smell is pungent. I am puzzled as to why this business is still able to operate, despite not having planning permission. I wonder if that would be the case if any councillors were living in the affected area?[/p][/quote]Very good post but there was an industry there before 1930, Itchin ferry boats was built up along Hazel road some where, you also had sea planes built along Hazel road, there was also steam traction builder there and a number of piers and jettys, a number of fishing familys along there also. As any one check along the river foreshore to see if there is any rotting matter along the shore line like river weed or fish[/p][/quote]No need to check the shore line for rotting matter because the smell comes from Unit Z. Chris_T
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8:31pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Chris_T says...

southy wrote:
Whatalovelyday wrote:
What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live?
I was thinking what would of these people would of thought back in the 60's and 70;s at the peak of the fishing industry there was 6 fish markets 2 fish processing plants here in Southampton then on top of that there was the meat market
They would HAVE thought that it was fine as long as the fish wasn't rotten fish.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatalovelyday[/bold] wrote: What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live?[/p][/quote]I was thinking what would of these people would of thought back in the 60's and 70;s at the peak of the fishing industry there was 6 fish markets 2 fish processing plants here in Southampton then on top of that there was the meat market[/p][/quote]They would HAVE thought that it was fine as long as the fish wasn't rotten fish. Chris_T
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11:56am Sat 26 Apr 14

southy says...

Chris_T wrote:
southy wrote:
Whatalovelyday wrote:
What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live?
I was thinking what would of these people would of thought back in the 60's and 70;s at the peak of the fishing industry there was 6 fish markets 2 fish processing plants here in Southampton then on top of that there was the meat market
They would HAVE thought that it was fine as long as the fish wasn't rotten fish.
The problem is more likely to be the used water that is smelling a bit high and not the fish, the EU rules on cleaning, prep and storing of fish is very tight. Just breaking one of the EU rules on fish could mean the closing up of business and before they can sell fish it would of been inspected by an EU team, in both operational and at none operational.
Water that was use for cleaning and prep of fish use to be release straight back in the open water river in this case but an EU ruling put a stop to that, used water must now be sent though water treatment plants and that means passing though the sewage pipes in which some will have vents. If the cleaning and prep of fish is done on the boat then that boat can not discharge that water in to the sea it must bring it back and discharge that used water to be treated
[quote][p][bold]Chris_T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whatalovelyday[/bold] wrote: What came first - Industry in Hazel Road or the houses wher these people live?[/p][/quote]I was thinking what would of these people would of thought back in the 60's and 70;s at the peak of the fishing industry there was 6 fish markets 2 fish processing plants here in Southampton then on top of that there was the meat market[/p][/quote]They would HAVE thought that it was fine as long as the fish wasn't rotten fish.[/p][/quote]The problem is more likely to be the used water that is smelling a bit high and not the fish, the EU rules on cleaning, prep and storing of fish is very tight. Just breaking one of the EU rules on fish could mean the closing up of business and before they can sell fish it would of been inspected by an EU team, in both operational and at none operational. Water that was use for cleaning and prep of fish use to be release straight back in the open water river in this case but an EU ruling put a stop to that, used water must now be sent though water treatment plants and that means passing though the sewage pipes in which some will have vents. If the cleaning and prep of fish is done on the boat then that boat can not discharge that water in to the sea it must bring it back and discharge that used water to be treated southy
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4:30pm Mon 28 Apr 14

southamptonadi says...

Thank you for all your polite and well constructed replies,

I can see where your coming from.

Did see an article the other day which made good valid points for UKIP, enough to make me listen anyway, they make great points on the EU but that's not the real clincher for me, what will they do with welfare, education, NHS, taxes, motoring law, business , armed forces, national debt , what's left of the British empire like the Falklands and Gibraltar etc, and the list goes on.

Now you've all got me doing it.
Thank you for all your polite and well constructed replies, I can see where your coming from. Did see an article the other day which made good valid points for UKIP, enough to make me listen anyway, they make great points on the EU but that's not the real clincher for me, what will they do with welfare, education, NHS, taxes, motoring law, business , armed forces, national debt , what's left of the British empire like the Falklands and Gibraltar etc, and the list goes on. Now you've all got me doing it. southamptonadi
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