Youth worker teaching children about diverse faiths could see role axed due to lack of funding

Daily Echo: Naheed Brora. Naheed Brora.

A SOUTHAMPTON youth worker teaching children about the city’s diverse faiths is on the verge of seeing her role scrapped.

Southampton Council of Faiths has been employing Naheed Brora to visit schools across the county for the past three years, teaching children about multiculturalism.

But a one-time donation of £20,000 from a Government-funded programme is due to run out, meaning Naheed would be unable to continue.

The 27-year-old, from Bassett, said that she is passionate about her work but without the cash she won’t be able to teach children about the city’s variety of faiths.

She said: “I absolutely love it. I like to educate children about religion rather than the dos and don’ts of different faiths.

“At the beginning I started talking about aspects of mutliculturalism that didn’t have anything to do with faith – topics like arranged marriage, sex before marriage – but then because I am Muslim we started to discuss different topics.”

She soon began to discuss with children in eight schools across Southampton the various aspects of different faiths and about integration.

For the Southampton Council of Faiths, which co-ordinates events combining the city’s major faith groups, Naheed’s work was part of its integration mission.

Council secretary David Vane said: “If we could get some funding together we would be very keen for her to go back into it. She has done some great work over the last three years.

“I think it’s very valuable work, it is a question of funding at the moment.”

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10:47am Tue 13 May 14

mrs pepperpot says...

I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.
I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop. mrs pepperpot
  • Score: 39

10:53am Tue 13 May 14

jen1 says...

What an utter waste of money.
What an utter waste of money. jen1
  • Score: 38

11:15am Tue 13 May 14

tootle says...

Religious education is on the National Curriculum. Let schools teach it.
Religious education is on the National Curriculum. Let schools teach it. tootle
  • Score: 5

11:17am Tue 13 May 14

townieboy says...

Lets hope no do-gooder jumps in to support this. Talk about a waste of cash. If shes so passionate why not do it for free ????????? Dont think Jesus was funded to teach was he ??
Lets hope no do-gooder jumps in to support this. Talk about a waste of cash. If shes so passionate why not do it for free ????????? Dont think Jesus was funded to teach was he ?? townieboy
  • Score: 27

11:26am Tue 13 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

I only hope this news is real truth. Because public money should never be wasted for brain washing people with various religions.

If their mythical and unscientific Gods who are supposed to have created everything really exist, then surely the same Gods can also perform the miracle by throwing £20000 out of the sunny sky on the heads of those who run this so called Southampton Council of Faiths.

Not only I fully support this cut but will apperciate if powers that be cut even more in silly sectors like these.
I only hope this news is real truth. Because public money should never be wasted for brain washing people with various religions. If their mythical and unscientific Gods who are supposed to have created everything really exist, then surely the same Gods can also perform the miracle by throwing £20000 out of the sunny sky on the heads of those who run this so called Southampton Council of Faiths. Not only I fully support this cut but will apperciate if powers that be cut even more in silly sectors like these. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 41

11:35am Tue 13 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

mrs pepperpot wrote:
I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.
If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.
[quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.[/p][/quote]If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 21

11:43am Tue 13 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

tootle wrote:
Religious education is on the National Curriculum. Let schools teach it.
Schools should be spending scarce resource on teaching science and math etc and stop wasting on teaching various fictions and unscientific myths to impressionable children.
[quote][p][bold]tootle[/bold] wrote: Religious education is on the National Curriculum. Let schools teach it.[/p][/quote]Schools should be spending scarce resource on teaching science and math etc and stop wasting on teaching various fictions and unscientific myths to impressionable children. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 22

11:44am Tue 13 May 14

George4th says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
I only hope this news is real truth. Because public money should never be wasted for brain washing people with various religions.

If their mythical and unscientific Gods who are supposed to have created everything really exist, then surely the same Gods can also perform the miracle by throwing £20000 out of the sunny sky on the heads of those who run this so called Southampton Council of Faiths.

Not only I fully support this cut but will apperciate if powers that be cut even more in silly sectors like these.
I agree totally with Paramjit!

(I'll try not to make a habit of it! :-) )
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: I only hope this news is real truth. Because public money should never be wasted for brain washing people with various religions. If their mythical and unscientific Gods who are supposed to have created everything really exist, then surely the same Gods can also perform the miracle by throwing £20000 out of the sunny sky on the heads of those who run this so called Southampton Council of Faiths. Not only I fully support this cut but will apperciate if powers that be cut even more in silly sectors like these.[/p][/quote]I agree totally with Paramjit! (I'll try not to make a habit of it! :-) ) George4th
  • Score: 16

12:01pm Tue 13 May 14

mrs pepperpot says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
mrs pepperpot wrote:
I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.
If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.
So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.[/p][/quote]If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend. mrs pepperpot
  • Score: 24

12:28pm Tue 13 May 14

Woolston ollie says...

GOOD
GOOD Woolston ollie
  • Score: 14

12:50pm Tue 13 May 14

forest hump says...

mrs pepperpot wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
mrs pepperpot wrote:
I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.
If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.
So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.
Agree! Greed comes a very close second.
[quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.[/p][/quote]If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.[/p][/quote]Agree! Greed comes a very close second. forest hump
  • Score: 7

12:54pm Tue 13 May 14

freefinker says...

forest hump wrote:
mrs pepperpot wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
mrs pepperpot wrote:
I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.
If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.
So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.
Agree! Greed comes a very close second.
For once I'm 100% in agreement with you forest hump.

Indoctrinate young minds with religion(s) is a form of child abuse.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.[/p][/quote]If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.[/p][/quote]Agree! Greed comes a very close second.[/p][/quote]For once I'm 100% in agreement with you forest hump. Indoctrinate young minds with religion(s) is a form of child abuse. freefinker
  • Score: 16

2:23pm Tue 13 May 14

Orwell's Ghost says...

Brainwashing children at the expense of the taxpayer is a harmful waste of money. The state doesn't fund Atheists to spread their views so why should we subsidise this individual's da'wah? If she were to offer this "service" for free, could we at least have some balance and invite along someone who holds a contrary opinion?
Brainwashing children at the expense of the taxpayer is a harmful waste of money. The state doesn't fund Atheists to spread their views so why should we subsidise this individual's da'wah? If she were to offer this "service" for free, could we at least have some balance and invite along someone who holds a contrary opinion? Orwell's Ghost
  • Score: 15

3:30pm Tue 13 May 14

george h says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
mrs pepperpot wrote:
I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.
If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.
Very true!

If the Council of Faith truly believe this is a good thing to spend funds on, then they should put their hands in their own wallets and fund it themselves.

The rest of us who don't believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden don't want our money spent on these silly games.

Religion is a problem. It gets hijacked by fundamentalists intent on doing evil things. Time we all came to understand that simple truth. Do-gooding naive woolly-minded liberals facilitate those evil people.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.[/p][/quote]If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]Very true! If the Council of Faith truly believe this is a good thing to spend funds on, then they should put their hands in their own wallets and fund it themselves. The rest of us who don't believe in fairies at the bottom of the garden don't want our money spent on these silly games. Religion is a problem. It gets hijacked by fundamentalists intent on doing evil things. Time we all came to understand that simple truth. Do-gooding naive woolly-minded liberals facilitate those evil people. george h
  • Score: 10

3:33pm Tue 13 May 14

bigfella777 says...

Most children attending state school now learn about these other faith traditions as well as about Christianity. Unlike other subjects the RE syllabus is written by a local body called SACRE (Standing Advisory Council on Religious Education). This body is made up of representatives from education, the local authority and the local faith communities.
Even if you live in an area that has no or few members of other faith communities your children may learn about these religions because nationally we live in a multi cultural and multi faith society and to pretend to children that we don't is wrong.
Most children attending state school now learn about these other faith traditions as well as about Christianity. Unlike other subjects the RE syllabus is written by a local body called SACRE (Standing Advisory Council on Religious Education). This body is made up of representatives from education, the local authority and the local faith communities. Even if you live in an area that has no or few members of other faith communities your children may learn about these religions because nationally we live in a multi cultural and multi faith society and to pretend to children that we don't is wrong. bigfella777
  • Score: -3

3:38pm Tue 13 May 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

George4th wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
I only hope this news is real truth. Because public money should never be wasted for brain washing people with various religions.

If their mythical and unscientific Gods who are supposed to have created everything really exist, then surely the same Gods can also perform the miracle by throwing £20000 out of the sunny sky on the heads of those who run this so called Southampton Council of Faiths.

Not only I fully support this cut but will apperciate if powers that be cut even more in silly sectors like these.
I agree totally with Paramjit!

(I'll try not to make a habit of it! :-) )
Me too! No, seriously, Paramjit has said this very well. The whole idea of a Council of Faiths is ridiculous anyway - the only thing they appear to agree with each other on is that indoctrinating young children is a good thing. It is not.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: I only hope this news is real truth. Because public money should never be wasted for brain washing people with various religions. If their mythical and unscientific Gods who are supposed to have created everything really exist, then surely the same Gods can also perform the miracle by throwing £20000 out of the sunny sky on the heads of those who run this so called Southampton Council of Faiths. Not only I fully support this cut but will apperciate if powers that be cut even more in silly sectors like these.[/p][/quote]I agree totally with Paramjit! (I'll try not to make a habit of it! :-) )[/p][/quote]Me too! No, seriously, Paramjit has said this very well. The whole idea of a Council of Faiths is ridiculous anyway - the only thing they appear to agree with each other on is that indoctrinating young children is a good thing. It is not. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 8

3:53pm Tue 13 May 14

stay local says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
George4th wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
I only hope this news is real truth. Because public money should never be wasted for brain washing people with various religions.

If their mythical and unscientific Gods who are supposed to have created everything really exist, then surely the same Gods can also perform the miracle by throwing £20000 out of the sunny sky on the heads of those who run this so called Southampton Council of Faiths.

Not only I fully support this cut but will apperciate if powers that be cut even more in silly sectors like these.
I agree totally with Paramjit!

(I'll try not to make a habit of it! :-) )
Me too! No, seriously, Paramjit has said this very well. The whole idea of a Council of Faiths is ridiculous anyway - the only thing they appear to agree with each other on is that indoctrinating young children is a good thing. It is not.
Oh my I agree! Also, how can some one with a faith give equal and balanced views on other faiths. Since all faiths have the basic belief that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Surely this should be presented by someone with no faith and therefore no bias, or better still removed for schools.

we should not be funding this.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: I only hope this news is real truth. Because public money should never be wasted for brain washing people with various religions. If their mythical and unscientific Gods who are supposed to have created everything really exist, then surely the same Gods can also perform the miracle by throwing £20000 out of the sunny sky on the heads of those who run this so called Southampton Council of Faiths. Not only I fully support this cut but will apperciate if powers that be cut even more in silly sectors like these.[/p][/quote]I agree totally with Paramjit! (I'll try not to make a habit of it! :-) )[/p][/quote]Me too! No, seriously, Paramjit has said this very well. The whole idea of a Council of Faiths is ridiculous anyway - the only thing they appear to agree with each other on is that indoctrinating young children is a good thing. It is not.[/p][/quote]Oh my I agree! Also, how can some one with a faith give equal and balanced views on other faiths. Since all faiths have the basic belief that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Surely this should be presented by someone with no faith and therefore no bias, or better still removed for schools. we should not be funding this. stay local
  • Score: 10

4:01pm Tue 13 May 14

mike coll says...

Well I suspect she might have a slight religious bias, and so its hard to see her adopting a neutral stance when trying to educate your children.
Well I suspect she might have a slight religious bias, and so its hard to see her adopting a neutral stance when trying to educate your children. mike coll
  • Score: -3

4:41pm Tue 13 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

What a lot of ignorant views, coming from half the same people that claim Britain has lost it's identity & they want it back.

Britain is a Christian country & I believe children should be taught about Chrstianity/Catholic
ism & other faiths. It's down to the parents if they want to take their children to church etc. Schools should teach about Chrstianity & also touch on other faiths & children can then make their own minds up. At least they have a choice & have a chance of growing up more educated & a little less ignorant than some of the parents on here.
What a lot of ignorant views, coming from half the same people that claim Britain has lost it's identity & they want it back. Britain is a Christian country & I believe children should be taught about Chrstianity/Catholic ism & other faiths. It's down to the parents if they want to take their children to church etc. Schools should teach about Chrstianity & also touch on other faiths & children can then make their own minds up. At least they have a choice & have a chance of growing up more educated & a little less ignorant than some of the parents on here. sotonboy84
  • Score: -4

4:44pm Tue 13 May 14

bigfella777 says...

Usual fascist brigade judging someone they know nothing about, she is an educated woman employed to do a job, not some fanatic trying to turn your local junior school into a Madrasa.
As usual the Echo have shown this picture of her just to sensationalise the story as usual. She dresses just like any other professional when she is working.
She has a BA in Theology and Religious Studies from Winchester University she is qualified to do this role and is not trying to brainwash anyone. her ethnic background or religion has got nothing to do with it.
Usual fascist brigade judging someone they know nothing about, she is an educated woman employed to do a job, not some fanatic trying to turn your local junior school into a Madrasa. As usual the Echo have shown this picture of her just to sensationalise the story as usual. She dresses just like any other professional when she is working. She has a BA in Theology and Religious Studies from Winchester University she is qualified to do this role and is not trying to brainwash anyone. her ethnic background or religion has got nothing to do with it. bigfella777
  • Score: -15

4:51pm Tue 13 May 14

thesouth says...

I think it's more about learning and appreciating culture etc but then again most DE readers had education wasted on them from reading a lot of these comments. Why do people 'hate' so much. Must lead a pretty sad and dull life
I think it's more about learning and appreciating culture etc but then again most DE readers had education wasted on them from reading a lot of these comments. Why do people 'hate' so much. Must lead a pretty sad and dull life thesouth
  • Score: -8

4:54pm Tue 13 May 14

thesouth says...

freefinker wrote:
forest hump wrote:
mrs pepperpot wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
mrs pepperpot wrote:
I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.
If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.
So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.
Agree! Greed comes a very close second.
For once I'm 100% in agreement with you forest hump.

Indoctrinate young minds with religion(s) is a form of child abuse.
If you knew what child Abuse was really like, you wouldn't say such idiotic childish things. I'm not religious but I do appreciate culture and religion. Whats wrong with learning about things? If only more people were decent enough to want to teach and share. From reading these comments it seems those who slate religion are the true bitter ones in this world so write such vile comments. Strange bunch
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.[/p][/quote]If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.[/p][/quote]Agree! Greed comes a very close second.[/p][/quote]For once I'm 100% in agreement with you forest hump. Indoctrinate young minds with religion(s) is a form of child abuse.[/p][/quote]If you knew what child Abuse was really like, you wouldn't say such idiotic childish things. I'm not religious but I do appreciate culture and religion. Whats wrong with learning about things? If only more people were decent enough to want to teach and share. From reading these comments it seems those who slate religion are the true bitter ones in this world so write such vile comments. Strange bunch thesouth
  • Score: -15

5:34pm Tue 13 May 14

freefinker says...

thesouth wrote:
freefinker wrote:
forest hump wrote:
mrs pepperpot wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
mrs pepperpot wrote:
I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.
If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.
So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.
Agree! Greed comes a very close second.
For once I'm 100% in agreement with you forest hump.

Indoctrinate young minds with religion(s) is a form of child abuse.
If you knew what child Abuse was really like, you wouldn't say such idiotic childish things. I'm not religious but I do appreciate culture and religion. Whats wrong with learning about things? If only more people were decent enough to want to teach and share. From reading these comments it seems those who slate religion are the true bitter ones in this world so write such vile comments. Strange bunch
.. child abuse takes many forms.
Faith - 'belief that is not based on proof' - is not something we should be indoctrinating young minds with. To my mind that is child abuse and it perpetuates belief in the absurd.
WalkingOnAWire says 'the only thing they appear to agree with each other on is that indoctrinating young children is a good thing. It is not.' Well said
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: I don't want my child taught about ANY kind of Religion full stop.[/p][/quote]If all the parents on our planet earth hold views like you this world can become a nice pleasant and peaceful place for the human race, in which girls like Malala won't be shot at and others won't be snatched from schools as has tragically happened in Nigeria.[/p][/quote]So true. Religion is the root of all evil my friend.[/p][/quote]Agree! Greed comes a very close second.[/p][/quote]For once I'm 100% in agreement with you forest hump. Indoctrinate young minds with religion(s) is a form of child abuse.[/p][/quote]If you knew what child Abuse was really like, you wouldn't say such idiotic childish things. I'm not religious but I do appreciate culture and religion. Whats wrong with learning about things? If only more people were decent enough to want to teach and share. From reading these comments it seems those who slate religion are the true bitter ones in this world so write such vile comments. Strange bunch[/p][/quote].. child abuse takes many forms. Faith - 'belief that is not based on proof' - is not something we should be indoctrinating young minds with. To my mind that is child abuse and it perpetuates belief in the absurd. WalkingOnAWire says 'the only thing they appear to agree with each other on is that indoctrinating young children is a good thing. It is not.' Well said freefinker
  • Score: 8

5:45pm Tue 13 May 14

loosehead says...

I worked with a devout Muslim & defended him at the time of the tube bombings from insulting remarks & he told me the headscarf is not law under Islam it's just a tradition where young woman can wear this scarf/veil out of respect for their future husbands but they don't have to wear it.
So why if this young woman is talking about multiculturalism is she wearing what's now become a uniform for muslim women?
I wonder at a Islamic school if they teach Christianity or Hindusim?
Every one has a choice & every one can pray to what ever religion they want but why are we/were we paying for her?
I believe in free choice but this is a waste of money so great to here it's stopped.
I worked with a devout Muslim & defended him at the time of the tube bombings from insulting remarks & he told me the headscarf is not law under Islam it's just a tradition where young woman can wear this scarf/veil out of respect for their future husbands but they don't have to wear it. So why if this young woman is talking about multiculturalism is she wearing what's now become a uniform for muslim women? I wonder at a Islamic school if they teach Christianity or Hindusim? Every one has a choice & every one can pray to what ever religion they want but why are we/were we paying for her? I believe in free choice but this is a waste of money so great to here it's stopped. loosehead
  • Score: 6

7:14pm Tue 13 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Usual fascist brigade judging someone they know nothing about, she is an educated woman employed to do a job, not some fanatic trying to turn your local junior school into a Madrasa.
As usual the Echo have shown this picture of her just to sensationalise the story as usual. She dresses just like any other professional when she is working.
She has a BA in Theology and Religious Studies from Winchester University she is qualified to do this role and is not trying to brainwash anyone. her ethnic background or religion has got nothing to do with it.
As a confirmed socialist throughout my life, and having described my religion 'Socialism' and race 'Human' on census forms I find your description of fascism bit strange, but respect your right to be silly.

I most certainly did not base my views on the basis of young lady's choice of dress, nor her faith. Unlike likes of former Home Secretary Jack Straw I have never felt intimidated by the way how people dress and have always defended everybody's right to practice the mumbo jumbo of their own choice, provided they keep it within the confines of their places of so called worship, pay for it out of their own pockets and do not try to push it down other people's throats or exploit various religions for economic exploitation of the society or for political and social manipulation.

When self appointed agents of fictional character called God wanted to demolish Saint Mary's Church for making profits out of the site, it was I who successfully campaigned against their greed and with support from ordinary people saved one of the best landmark and heritage of our city.

When NuLabour's colonial minded Leader of local Council certain John Arnold, who believed in divide and rule threatened to take over a Mosque in Southampton (as quoted in the press at the time) I and my friends (both believers and non believers) supported those who were building the Mosque, but had stopped bending to the whims of Arnold and his crooked political colleagues, who as revenge were winding up other people from the same religion through whom Arnold and co thought they can get more votes.

With my record like that and having defended people's basic right to belive in, what in my view is unproven and unscientific opium, which has created more frictions in human race throughout the world than anything else, I wonder what made you think that I and others like me are fascists.

Reality is being open minded and believers in logic most of us are exceptionally tolerant, which can't be said for closed minded and mostly hypocrite members of various God Brigades, disturbingly large numbers of whose so called preachers or representatives / sole agents of God are well known for sexually abusing innocent kids.

My own view: As I do not know fictional God, I can't form any view about him or her. But having witnessed and observed the problems caused by various religions I can only say the world can only be a better place without various religions. That is why tax payers money should not be wasted on misinformation targeted at impressionable kids.

And intelligent parents should be careful of contacts between their little ones and the possible perverts also known as priests.

Money saved on jobs like these should be used for saving more useful jobs.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Usual fascist brigade judging someone they know nothing about, she is an educated woman employed to do a job, not some fanatic trying to turn your local junior school into a Madrasa. As usual the Echo have shown this picture of her just to sensationalise the story as usual. She dresses just like any other professional when she is working. She has a BA in Theology and Religious Studies from Winchester University she is qualified to do this role and is not trying to brainwash anyone. her ethnic background or religion has got nothing to do with it.[/p][/quote]As a confirmed socialist throughout my life, and having described my religion 'Socialism' and race 'Human' on census forms I find your description of fascism bit strange, but respect your right to be silly. I most certainly did not base my views on the basis of young lady's choice of dress, nor her faith. Unlike likes of former Home Secretary Jack Straw I have never felt intimidated by the way how people dress and have always defended everybody's right to practice the mumbo jumbo of their own choice, provided they keep it within the confines of their places of so called worship, pay for it out of their own pockets and do not try to push it down other people's throats or exploit various religions for economic exploitation of the society or for political and social manipulation. When self appointed agents of fictional character called God wanted to demolish Saint Mary's Church for making profits out of the site, it was I who successfully campaigned against their greed and with support from ordinary people saved one of the best landmark and heritage of our city. When NuLabour's colonial minded Leader of local Council certain John Arnold, who believed in divide and rule threatened to take over a Mosque in Southampton (as quoted in the press at the time) I and my friends (both believers and non believers) supported those who were building the Mosque, but had stopped bending to the whims of Arnold and his crooked political colleagues, who as revenge were winding up other people from the same religion through whom Arnold and co thought they can get more votes. With my record like that and having defended people's basic right to belive in, what in my view is unproven and unscientific opium, which has created more frictions in human race throughout the world than anything else, I wonder what made you think that I and others like me are fascists. Reality is being open minded and believers in logic most of us are exceptionally tolerant, which can't be said for closed minded and mostly hypocrite members of various God Brigades, disturbingly large numbers of whose so called preachers or representatives / sole agents of God are well known for sexually abusing innocent kids. My own view: As I do not know fictional God, I can't form any view about him or her. But having witnessed and observed the problems caused by various religions I can only say the world can only be a better place without various religions. That is why tax payers money should not be wasted on misinformation targeted at impressionable kids. And intelligent parents should be careful of contacts between their little ones and the possible perverts also known as priests. Money saved on jobs like these should be used for saving more useful jobs. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 4

11:05pm Tue 13 May 14

george h says...

There's nothing about this that's any different from good old-fashioned nepotism; of the kind that's been well-practiced in the British establishment for centuries.

The young woman's name is Naheed Brora.

On the board of Medina Mosque Ltd (yes, it's a UK limited company), are:
Rashid Brora, the General Secretary,
Haji Din Brora, a Director and Trustee.

As our American friends would say, "Go figure".

We may now live in a multi-cultural society, but nepotism goes on behind the scenes forever.

Don't believe it? Check out their mugshot webpage at
http://www.medinamos
que.org.uk/managemen
t-com.aspx
There's nothing about this that's any different from good old-fashioned nepotism; of the kind that's been well-practiced in the British establishment for centuries. The young woman's name is Naheed Brora. On the board of Medina Mosque Ltd (yes, it's a UK limited company), are: Rashid Brora, the General Secretary, Haji Din Brora, a Director and Trustee. As our American friends would say, "Go figure". We may now live in a multi-cultural society, but nepotism goes on behind the scenes forever. Don't believe it? Check out their mugshot webpage at http://www.medinamos que.org.uk/managemen t-com.aspx george h
  • Score: 2

11:09pm Tue 13 May 14

george h says...

Several more interesting questions come to mind though.

1. Was the Echo's Senior Reporter Ed Stilliard conned too?

2. Or did he know about the nepotism and believed he could con the readers?
Several more interesting questions come to mind though. 1. Was the Echo's Senior Reporter Ed Stilliard conned too? 2. Or did he know about the nepotism and believed he could con the readers? george h
  • Score: 1

5:05am Wed 14 May 14

huckit P says...

Whatever individual views are expressed here I think the most important point to remember is that the council are trying to cut costs in order to save essential services (or so the story goes). The taxpayer needs to see that their hard-earned cash is being spent on worthwhile causes and essential services.
This type of teaching (and its parent organization) can not be described as either.
It is high time we (the taxpayer and electorate) insisted on value for money and stopping all payments linked to diversity and its cronies.
Whatever individual views are expressed here I think the most important point to remember is that the council are trying to cut costs in order to save essential services (or so the story goes). The taxpayer needs to see that their hard-earned cash is being spent on worthwhile causes and essential services. This type of teaching (and its parent organization) can not be described as either. It is high time we (the taxpayer and electorate) insisted on value for money and stopping all payments linked to diversity and its cronies. huckit P
  • Score: 4

5:21am Wed 14 May 14

Orwell's Ghost says...

george h wrote:
Several more interesting questions come to mind though.

1. Was the Echo's Senior Reporter Ed Stilliard conned too?

2. Or did he know about the nepotism and believed he could con the readers?
Spend the £20 grand on George H to go round schools and colleges to teach Media Studies students how investigative journalism works. He could then pop in to the Daily Echo offices and pass on a few tips. Maybe he could show you how to link a global story with a local one, such as why Boko Haram means "Western Education is forbidden" yet Muslims in Britain feel they are owed a living by the state to spout their propaganda.
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: Several more interesting questions come to mind though. 1. Was the Echo's Senior Reporter Ed Stilliard conned too? 2. Or did he know about the nepotism and believed he could con the readers?[/p][/quote]Spend the £20 grand on George H to go round schools and colleges to teach Media Studies students how investigative journalism works. He could then pop in to the Daily Echo offices and pass on a few tips. Maybe he could show you how to link a global story with a local one, such as why Boko Haram means "Western Education is forbidden" yet Muslims in Britain feel they are owed a living by the state to spout their propaganda. Orwell's Ghost
  • Score: -3

10:11am Wed 14 May 14

george h says...

Orwell's Ghost wrote:
george h wrote:
Several more interesting questions come to mind though.

1. Was the Echo's Senior Reporter Ed Stilliard conned too?

2. Or did he know about the nepotism and believed he could con the readers?
Spend the £20 grand on George H to go round schools and colleges to teach Media Studies students how investigative journalism works. He could then pop in to the Daily Echo offices and pass on a few tips. Maybe he could show you how to link a global story with a local one, such as why Boko Haram means "Western Education is forbidden" yet Muslims in Britain feel they are owed a living by the state to spout their propaganda.
Thanks Orwell.

An extra £20K would be very handy right now.

On the other hand ... ... I'm unsure if I could stomach the crawling and bum-licking necessary to keep onside with our two MPs and the Labour Council.

So I'll pass on that one.
[quote][p][bold]Orwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: Several more interesting questions come to mind though. 1. Was the Echo's Senior Reporter Ed Stilliard conned too? 2. Or did he know about the nepotism and believed he could con the readers?[/p][/quote]Spend the £20 grand on George H to go round schools and colleges to teach Media Studies students how investigative journalism works. He could then pop in to the Daily Echo offices and pass on a few tips. Maybe he could show you how to link a global story with a local one, such as why Boko Haram means "Western Education is forbidden" yet Muslims in Britain feel they are owed a living by the state to spout their propaganda.[/p][/quote]Thanks Orwell. An extra £20K would be very handy right now. On the other hand ... ... I'm unsure if I could stomach the crawling and bum-licking necessary to keep onside with our two MPs and the Labour Council. So I'll pass on that one. george h
  • Score: 1

11:00am Wed 14 May 14

rightway says...

Sorry to say, but that’s a very uneducated view.
Religion is not the root to all evil, it’s just the most widely used excuse and justification for those who wish to do evil things.
Sorry to say, but that’s a very uneducated view. Religion is not the root to all evil, it’s just the most widely used excuse and justification for those who wish to do evil things. rightway
  • Score: 1

11:05am Wed 14 May 14

rightway says...

Messed up.
The above comment was F.A.O. Mrs Pepperpot
Messed up. The above comment was F.A.O. Mrs Pepperpot rightway
  • Score: 0

12:41am Thu 15 May 14

southy says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
What a lot of ignorant views, coming from half the same people that claim Britain has lost it's identity & they want it back.

Britain is a Christian country & I believe children should be taught about Chrstianity/Catholic

ism & other faiths. It's down to the parents if they want to take their children to church etc. Schools should teach about Chrstianity & also touch on other faiths & children can then make their own minds up. At least they have a choice & have a chance of growing up more educated & a little less ignorant than some of the parents on here.
Like to inform you, the only reason why this country shows up as a christian country is because only recently forms like the census have only just been putting down Atheist on the list of faiths, England believe it or not is mainly an Atheist country, Atheist get counted as C of E, Wales boarders on 50/50 christian and atheist, Scotland is different that is shared between RC, C of E and Atheists, Ireland/Erie is mainly RC
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: What a lot of ignorant views, coming from half the same people that claim Britain has lost it's identity & they want it back. Britain is a Christian country & I believe children should be taught about Chrstianity/Catholic ism & other faiths. It's down to the parents if they want to take their children to church etc. Schools should teach about Chrstianity & also touch on other faiths & children can then make their own minds up. At least they have a choice & have a chance of growing up more educated & a little less ignorant than some of the parents on here.[/p][/quote]Like to inform you, the only reason why this country shows up as a christian country is because only recently forms like the census have only just been putting down Atheist on the list of faiths, England believe it or not is mainly an Atheist country, Atheist get counted as C of E, Wales boarders on 50/50 christian and atheist, Scotland is different that is shared between RC, C of E and Atheists, Ireland/Erie is mainly RC southy
  • Score: 1

12:58am Thu 15 May 14

george h says...

southy wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
What a lot of ignorant views, coming from half the same people that claim Britain has lost it's identity & they want it back.

Britain is a Christian country & I believe children should be taught about Chrstianity/Catholic


ism & other faiths. It's down to the parents if they want to take their children to church etc. Schools should teach about Chrstianity & also touch on other faiths & children can then make their own minds up. At least they have a choice & have a chance of growing up more educated & a little less ignorant than some of the parents on here.
Like to inform you, the only reason why this country shows up as a christian country is because only recently forms like the census have only just been putting down Atheist on the list of faiths, England believe it or not is mainly an Atheist country, Atheist get counted as C of E, Wales boarders on 50/50 christian and atheist, Scotland is different that is shared between RC, C of E and Atheists, Ireland/Erie is mainly RC
It doesn't matter what the census says Southy. People lie. And they do that knowing that the census is designed to parcel-up people into nice little boxes, with labels devised by the ruling classes. When, for example, did you see a census question that allowed to define yourself as English. You didn't. Because they don't want to encourage us to think of ourselves as English. But a Jedi Knight is OK.

Furthermore S, although people no longer go to church, that doesn't equate to being atheist. It merely means that people have had enough of the silly games that the various Churches plays. They may only visit a church for christenings, baptisms, marriages and funerals, because they are CULTURALLY Christian. That's not a big deal for even a socialist to grasp.

We are our own collective history. We cannot escape where we came from.

Whoops! I slipped in a socialist word inadvertently. Because we came from there too!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: What a lot of ignorant views, coming from half the same people that claim Britain has lost it's identity & they want it back. Britain is a Christian country & I believe children should be taught about Chrstianity/Catholic ism & other faiths. It's down to the parents if they want to take their children to church etc. Schools should teach about Chrstianity & also touch on other faiths & children can then make their own minds up. At least they have a choice & have a chance of growing up more educated & a little less ignorant than some of the parents on here.[/p][/quote]Like to inform you, the only reason why this country shows up as a christian country is because only recently forms like the census have only just been putting down Atheist on the list of faiths, England believe it or not is mainly an Atheist country, Atheist get counted as C of E, Wales boarders on 50/50 christian and atheist, Scotland is different that is shared between RC, C of E and Atheists, Ireland/Erie is mainly RC[/p][/quote]It doesn't matter what the census says Southy. People lie. And they do that knowing that the census is designed to parcel-up people into nice little boxes, with labels devised by the ruling classes. When, for example, did you see a census question that allowed to define yourself as English. You didn't. Because they don't want to encourage us to think of ourselves as English. But a Jedi Knight is OK. Furthermore S, although people no longer go to church, that doesn't equate to being atheist. It merely means that people have had enough of the silly games that the various Churches plays. They may only visit a church for christenings, baptisms, marriages and funerals, because they are CULTURALLY Christian. That's not a big deal for even a socialist to grasp. We are our own collective history. We cannot escape where we came from. Whoops! I slipped in a socialist word inadvertently. Because we came from there too! george h
  • Score: -2

1:15am Thu 15 May 14

southy says...

My personal view about all religion if it is to be taught it should only be taught in one place and that in a place of worship, it should never be taught in schools of any kind.
The churches of the christian faith use to have Sunday school to teach religion now days i notice the church across the road no longer do sunday school that stop years ago, but doing it this way is the right way it becomes a choice then.
My personal view about all religion if it is to be taught it should only be taught in one place and that in a place of worship, it should never be taught in schools of any kind. The churches of the christian faith use to have Sunday school to teach religion now days i notice the church across the road no longer do sunday school that stop years ago, but doing it this way is the right way it becomes a choice then. southy
  • Score: 1

2:21am Thu 15 May 14

george h says...

southy wrote:
My personal view about all religion if it is to be taught it should only be taught in one place and that in a place of worship, it should never be taught in schools of any kind.
The churches of the christian faith use to have Sunday school to teach religion now days i notice the church across the road no longer do sunday school that stop years ago, but doing it this way is the right way it becomes a choice then.
We can agree on that S.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: My personal view about all religion if it is to be taught it should only be taught in one place and that in a place of worship, it should never be taught in schools of any kind. The churches of the christian faith use to have Sunday school to teach religion now days i notice the church across the road no longer do sunday school that stop years ago, but doing it this way is the right way it becomes a choice then.[/p][/quote]We can agree on that S. george h
  • Score: 1

5:59am Thu 15 May 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
My personal view about all religion if it is to be taught it should only be taught in one place and that in a place of worship, it should never be taught in schools of any kind.
The churches of the christian faith use to have Sunday school to teach religion now days i notice the church across the road no longer do sunday school that stop years ago, but doing it this way is the right way it becomes a choice then.
Southy what church is that! I go to Church & use to go to Lordshill & I can tell you all the churches I've gone to do Sunday School.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: My personal view about all religion if it is to be taught it should only be taught in one place and that in a place of worship, it should never be taught in schools of any kind. The churches of the christian faith use to have Sunday school to teach religion now days i notice the church across the road no longer do sunday school that stop years ago, but doing it this way is the right way it becomes a choice then.[/p][/quote]Southy what church is that! I go to Church & use to go to Lordshill & I can tell you all the churches I've gone to do Sunday School. loosehead
  • Score: 0

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