LiveEURO ELECTION RESULTS: All the drama LIVE from Southampton

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1:50am

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1:26am

Catherine Bearder, now the only Liberal Democrat MEP in the country, said: "The EU will still function and we need MEPs who are there standing up for this country in debates and votes and that is what I will be doing."

1:25am

Keith Taylor, re-elected as Green MEP, said his party represented "the politics of Hope rather than the politics of fear.
"A vote for the Greens is a strong voice for us to change the business as usual politics that goes on in Brussels and Westminster."

1:24am

New Labour MEP Anneliese Dodds paid tribute to Del Singh, who was killed in Afghanistan earlier this year.
She wen on to say of her victory: "It's only Labour who can help people out of the cost of living crisis they are facing.
"We can have a better future in Europe, a better future for Britain and a better futures for the South East."

1:23am

Daily Echo: Nirj Deva

1:22am

Re-elected Conservative MEP Nirj Deva said: " we have to protect what we have and today the British people have sent us a message and for my party we have to listen.
"The message is that Europe isn't working. Either we need reform or we have to leave and the only party that can deliver it is the Conservative party."

1:19am

Speaking after the results were declared, Mr Farage said: "The peoples' army of UKIP have spoken tonight and delivered just about the most extraordinary result in British politics for 100 years."
Janice Atkinson, one of the party's three new MEPs in the South East, said: "Well that was an earthquake, I don't know what it was on the Richter scale but we certainly felt it here."
"We will vote against everything in the EU, because anything they propose is wrong, wrong, wrong."

1:10am

His face says it all....Nigel Farage looks like a happy man!

1:09am

Daily Echo:

12:49am

Lib Dem's Catherine Bearder gets a seat - the first to be won by her party across the UK.

Another goes to the Green Party's Keith Taylor and and Labour's Anneliese Dodds.

12:47am

Tories take three of the ten seats: Daniel Hannan, Nirj Deva and Richard Ashworth.

12:46am

"I promise you this, you haven't heard the last of us" Farage tells the audience at Southampton.

12:45am

He says "the penny has dropped" with voters.

12:45am

The predictions were right - UKIP have four seats out of the ten up for grabs.

Nigel Farage says "the people's army has spoken" and it is surprising it hasnt happened before.

 

12:43am

Results:

UKIP's Nigel Farage re-elected with the first seat.

Tory Daniel Hannan takes the second

UKIPs janice Atkinson takes the third

12:42am

That's Mr Farage talking to our political reporter James Franklin.

12:41am

Daily Echo:

12:37am

The declaration is imminent now but unconfirmed reports suggest that UKIP have taken four seats here in Southampton.

if that is the case it will be Nigel Farage, Janice Atkinson, Diane James and Ray Finch who take the seats.

12:29am

Our reporters are getting ready. James Franklin is poised and says: "The atmosphere is now electric as there are signs an announcement will be imminent. Candidates have gathered with fellow party members ready to share the moment together."

12:25am

a slight correction....The Green Party got one seat in the South West, not the two we previously reported amid all their excitement!

12:24am

11:49pm Sun 25 May 14

southy says

11:07pm

Farage has announced he intends to fight a parliamentary seat in 2015 "close to the sea".

Portsmouth

12:24am

Tensions are high in Southampton now - everyone thought it might have been a little quicker than this, but it all adds to the drama!

12:02am

Reporter James Franklin says we are just one result away now....we already know that UKIP has topped polls in Eastleigh and Southampton. In Winchester the poll position goes to the Tories.

11:59pm

Its believed that we are not far now from the big announcement, when the Returning Officer will take to the stage and declare how the south East has voted.

11:43pm

The bar definitely seems busy - but mainly because there is a TV screen where people can see the live results coming in for their parties across the country.

11:42pm

Daily Echo:

11:41pm

Members of the Green Party screamed with excitement when they heard they won two seats in the south west. The excitement continues as they hope to continue their success in the South East.

11:40pm

Denis Fernando of campaign group Stand Up To UKIP was outside Southampton Guildhall.
He said his group have handed out tens of thousands of leaflets throughout the  Southampton area during the last month to provide an argument against UKIP's views.
He said: "UKIP have racism at the centre of this election by saying that millions of immigrants are coming to take British jobs. This is the exact same old racism that was experienced by the Jewish Community in the 19th century, the Irish community in the 18th century and the African and Asian communities after the war.
"The things that will be said by the mainstream parties is that they have to listen to those sentiments but actually what they and the media have to do is challenge the myths that UKIP have put forward."

11:38pm

Here's some of the UKIP party who have pulled up some chairs at the side of the Guildhall

11:37pm

Daily Echo:

11:36pm

A few pictures from our photographer Chris Moorhouse - including a look at the media pack!

11:33pm

Daily Echo:

11:32pm

Daily Echo:

11:32pm

Daily Echo:

11:29pm

Meanwhile in Eastleigh, they got 13,077 in comparison to the Lib Dems' 7,432, conservatives' 9,051 and labour's 3,654.
In Fareham meanwhile, the Tories topped the poll with 12415, but  UKIP aren't far behind with 11,811

11:28pm

UKIP have polled more voters than Labour or the Tories in Southampton. The party got 16,252 in comparison to Labour's 14,580 and the Tories 11,959.

11:27pm

Mr Farage tells the Echo "I don't know what the results are. It's tight."

Could the Tories and UKIP be neck and neck and was that what prompted that recount earlier this evening we wonder?

11:25pm

That's Labour's top candidate, Anneliese Dodds, who has just told the Echo: "I think at this stage I'm confident that we will do better than in 2009."

11:25pm

Daily Echo:

11:21pm

Farage has described tonight's results as "the earthquake we have been looking for" and he is expecting a south coast victory by taking four seats.

11:19pm

The media scrum when Farage arrived inside the Guildhall a short time ago!

11:19pm

Daily Echo:

11:14pm

11:14pm Sun 25 May 14

Peters567 says

Farage to stand in Eastleigh 2015! Bring it on!

11:14pm

Asked about how he feels his party has done, Nigel Farage said: "We've done pretty well I think but we'll find out in a moment."

11:10pm

11:06pm Sun 25 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says

If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.

11:09pm

Nigel Farage said he's quietly confident about tonight's results before heading straight to the bar!

He commented that three and a half year's ago he said UKIP would win the European Elections and tonight he hopes that will happen.

11:07pm

Farage has announced he intends to fight a parliamentary seat in 2015 "close to the sea".

Where could he be talking about we wonder?

11:05pm

He's arrived!

Nigel Farage walks in to Southampton's civic centre to the glare of flashing cameras and TV lights

11:04pm

Daily Echo:

10:54pm

Reports coming nationally saying that Nigel Farage has claimed victory tonight as UKIP appeared on track to top the European Parliament polls, declaring the result was an ''earthquake'' in British politics.
He said: ''Ukip is going to win this election and yes that will be an earthquake because never before in the history of British politics has a party that will be seen to be an insurgent party ever topped the polls in a national election.''

10:52pm

On a national news front, BNP leader Nick Griffin has been defeated in the North West tonight. Protesters were at the count when he arrived.

10:51pm

James Franklin has just been talking to Catherine Bearder who is refusing to speculate on the fact that the Lib Dems could be facing a wipe out across the UK.

She said: " We had some good results and some unfortunate results in the local elections, but how that translates into the Euros is anyone's guess."

10:50pm

That's Del, after he was announced as a Labour MEP candidate.

10:49pm

Daily Echo: Southampton man's bid for Euro Parliament seat

10:48pm

Inside the Guildhall right now, Returning Officer Mark Heath is getting ready for tonight's proceedings while the stage is being prepared for the announcements due shortly.

10:47pm

Nigel Farage has definitely arrived in Southampton but has gone straight to the BBC offices in Havelock Road.

His campaign manager however is on the steps of the Civic Centre, along with a huge number of photographers and TV crews and all of the UKIP candidates.

10:43pm

Of course, one man who should have been there in Southampton tonight is Del Singh.

Del, 39, was a Labour MEP candidate who lived in St Mary's but was tragically killed in a bomb blast in Afghanistan back in January.

Del had worked in international aid for more than a decade, managing EU and UN projects as well as for the Department for Inter-national Development in the Middle East.
He also was a well-known figure in Southampton and was working at the time as an international development consultant for Adam Smith International – a leading international advisory firm.

No doubt there will be many people pausing to remember him tonight.

10:31pm

This was Catherine Bearder in Romsey some time back.

10:31pm

Daily Echo:

10:28pm

In the top spot for the Lib Dems, should they get a seat tonight, is Catherine Bearder.
The former councillor was first elected as an MEP in 2009 after twice standing for the part in parliamentary elections in Oxfordshire.
A prominent Europhile, some of her priorities as an MEP have included improving environmental policy, fighting ivory trading and highlighting human trafficking.
She says she is a “staunch supporter” of the EU, but is “unafraid to challenge the realities of the EU when they don't meet that ideal”.

10:27pm

Daniel Hannan is the lead Tory candidate.
A writer and journalist, Mr Hannan was first elected as an MEP in 1999 after stints as a speech writer for party leaders Michael Howard and William Hague.
Mr Hannan is a fierce eurosceptic and protested alongside other MEPs when the Lisbon Treaty, which streamlined decision making in the EU and created the posts of President and foreign minister.
Born in Peru, he is fluent in French and Spanish, and shot to international prominence in 2009 when he made a speech attacking then-Prime Minister Gordon Brown in the European Parliament.

10:26pm

Daily Echo: Ukip leader Nigel Farage, right, takes a moment to enjoy his party's success in the local elections

10:25pm

Still no sign of Nigel Farage - he's leaving it late, but then he does like to make a dramatic entrance like he did in Eastleigh recently

10:24pm

The UK's place in the EU and the impact of immigration have remained squarely at the centre of the debate in the run-up to the elections - how will it reflect in the South East tonight?

10:21pm

There are reports nationally that unofficial exit polls are reporting a surge in support for Britain's UKIP party.

10:20pm

Exit polls showed the far right and Eurosceptics making sweeping gains in European Parliament elections, signalling a major political shift toward parties that want to slash the European Union's powers or abolish it altogether.
Polls in recent days had predicted Eurosceptics could snag as many as a third of the seats in the EU's 751-seat legislature in the vote ending tonight.
One of the most significant winners appeared to be France's far-right National Front. Two polling companies said the party, led by Marine Le Pen, was outright winner in France with one-quarter of the popular vote.
Voters in 21 of the European Union's 28 nations voted today. The other seven countries had already voted.

10:19pm

The South East alone has 118 candidates standing, in 15 parties.
They range from the mainstream (the Conservatives, Labour, the Liberal Democrats, UKIP and Greens) to small groups such as the Harmony Party, which has two candidates, and the Roman Party, which has one.

10:18pm

Candidates have wildly differing opinions on the value of the Parliament.
UKIP's Ray Finch, standing in the South East, has told the Daily Echo that MEPs can “do nothing” within the parliament.
His party say their value as MEPs is to report back to their constituents on the “excesses” of the EU.
But other parties, such as Labour and the Liberal Democrats, say MEPs have an important role to play.
Labour's top candidate for the region, Anneliese Dodds, said that her party, which is looking for the EU to support growth and jobs in the UK and Hampshire, is well-placed to be able to influence change as they are currently part of one of the largest groups of MEPs in the Parliament, the Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats (S&D).
UKIP, meanwhile, are in one of the smallest groups, the Europe of Freedom and Democracy Group (EFD).

10:11pm

That's a fair few media trucks outside the Guildhall tonight - lots of TV crews and newspaper journalists, including our very own Mr Franklin and Rebecca Pearson, anticipating the results and talking to candidates inside.

10:09pm

Daily Echo:

10:05pm

Local Lib Dem party member James Read said the party will be lucky to get one seat in the South east after a "catastrophic" result in the local elections.

10:05pm

Marta Andreasen, Conservative candidate and elected as an MEP in 2009, said: "I think our campaign has gone pretty well and the Conservatives have made the point at we are the only party of referendum."

When asked if she was worried about UKIP's recent surge, she said her former party were ."far from being an important element in the political game".

10:04pm

UKIP candidate Ray Finch tells the Daily Echo he is "optimistic" about the party's chances, saying he believes they have done well in Buckinghamshire, Kent and the New Forest, while the party's votes has doubled in Southampton since the 2009 election.

10:04pm

Green Party candidate Keith Taylor told the Echo: "We've fought a positive campaign making the point that we want to build a Europe for the common good"
He said he was optimistic he would be re-elected and the party would double its seats nationally, from two to four.

9:54pm

MEPs are elected for five years. But what do they actually do?
They can't put forward legislation - that's the job of the European Commission - but they do vote on most new laws that are proposed.
They could include anything from ending roaming mobile phone charges to capping bankers' bonuses, as well as the $1.3trillion EU budget which is spent on agricultural subsidies, regional aid to the poorest countries, research funding, business innovation and crime and border control.
One of the first jobs of MEPs elected this week will be to choose the next president of the Commission.

9:53pm

Our political reporter James Franklin says things seem to be running fairly smoothly at Southampton tonight - although earlier there was a bit of tension as dozens of workers were hurriedly counting the votes after a recount was ordered.
 

9:52pm

This region is one of 12 in the UK which will be revealing their results tonight for 73 MEPs.

9:51pm

Early reports suggest that overall the turnout for voting was up this year - 36 per cent of people went to vote.

9:50pm

Diane was pipped to the post for Eastleigh by Lib Dem Mike Thornton, she's been a councillor since 2006 and is currently leader of the opposition at Waverley Borough council in Surrey.

9:49pm

UKIP hopeful Diane James - who came second in last year's Easteligh by-election to replace Chris Huhne - has just turned up and posed for a quick picture.

9:47pm

Daily Echo:

9:46pm

Our photographer Chris Moorhouse is there - and he's just popped outside because we understand Mr Farage is about to arrive.

9:46pm

UKIP leader Nigel Farage is one of those waiting to find out if he has been voted in - and there is a potential for some high drama tonight as he and all the other candidates arrive to hear the results.

9:44pm

Ten MEP's will be elected in the South East tonight - that's the biggest number of representatives for any UK region and more than six European countries.

9:43pm

That's the scene from inside Southampton's Guildhall just a short time ago - the media have started to descend and have been asked to position themselves in the balcony for now.

9:42pm

Daily Echo:

9:40pm

From Hampshire to Kent and Brighton to Bucks, the votes of millions of people have been counted and Southampton is the venue for the declaration.

9:39pm

Good evening from Southampton where the eyes of the UK are on the city tonight as the results of the South East's European elections are about to be announced.

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9:49pm Sun 25 May 14

LeTissiersEarLobe says...

Forgot to buy eggs! Dammit !
Forgot to buy eggs! Dammit ! LeTissiersEarLobe
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Sun 25 May 14

LeTissiersEarLobe says...

But nice legs... can i change my vote?
But nice legs... can i change my vote? LeTissiersEarLobe
  • Score: 4

10:13pm Sun 25 May 14

issacchunt says...

Diane James, a few more candidates like that and I may actually register.
Diane James, a few more candidates like that and I may actually register. issacchunt
  • Score: 3

11:06pm Sun 25 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.
If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -10

11:14pm Sun 25 May 14

Peters567 says...

Farage to stand in Eastleigh 2015! Bring it on!
Farage to stand in Eastleigh 2015! Bring it on! Peters567
  • Score: 5

11:26pm Sun 25 May 14

Peters567 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.
You can if you wish. Here's to a UKIP victory!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.[/p][/quote]You can if you wish. Here's to a UKIP victory! Peters567
  • Score: 9

11:29pm Sun 25 May 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

the game is up for shameron , clegoron and the bacon sarnie muncher , nigel is the man.
the game is up for shameron , clegoron and the bacon sarnie muncher , nigel is the man. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 1

11:31pm Sun 25 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Peters567 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.
You can if you wish. Here's to a UKIP victory!
So you WANT it to be legal for employers to pay as little as they want? You WANT our economy to die? You WANT to lose your human rights? You can if you wish but go to somewhere that already fits those criteria, I would rather HAVE my human rights, minimum legal wage and an economy that isn't dead like Greece's.
[quote][p][bold]Peters567[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.[/p][/quote]You can if you wish. Here's to a UKIP victory![/p][/quote]So you WANT it to be legal for employers to pay as little as they want? You WANT our economy to die? You WANT to lose your human rights? You can if you wish but go to somewhere that already fits those criteria, I would rather HAVE my human rights, minimum legal wage and an economy that isn't dead like Greece's. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -9

11:32pm Sun 25 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Bobs Your Uncle ? wrote:
the game is up for shameron , clegoron and the bacon sarnie muncher , nigel is the man.
Fuhrage is going to be the DEATH of us all.
[quote][p][bold]Bobs Your Uncle ?[/bold] wrote: the game is up for shameron , clegoron and the bacon sarnie muncher , nigel is the man.[/p][/quote]Fuhrage is going to be the DEATH of us all. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -10

11:36pm Sun 25 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Fuhrage is a little Hitler and UKIP are his little Nazis.
Fuhrage is a little Hitler and UKIP are his little Nazis. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -11

11:49pm Sun 25 May 14

southy says...

11:07pm

Farage has announced he intends to fight a parliamentary seat in 2015 "close to the sea".

Portsmouth
11:07pm Farage has announced he intends to fight a parliamentary seat in 2015 "close to the sea". Portsmouth southy
  • Score: 5

12:38am Mon 26 May 14

forest hump says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.
Start rolling on your goosefat greased bike
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.[/p][/quote]Start rolling on your goosefat greased bike forest hump
  • Score: 4

12:44am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.
Start rolling on your goosefat greased bike
Goosefat? On a bike? Nah, much better for roast potato's.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: If UKIP win, we might aswell roll over and die.[/p][/quote]Start rolling on your goosefat greased bike[/p][/quote]Goosefat? On a bike? Nah, much better for roast potato's. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -9

12:47am Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Farage

12:45am

He says "the penny has dropped" with voters.

No just protesting against the Torys and Labour
Farage 12:45am He says "the penny has dropped" with voters. No just protesting against the Torys and Labour southy
  • Score: -13

12:49am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

southy wrote:
Farage

12:45am

He says "the penny has dropped" with voters.

No just protesting against the Torys and Labour
Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Farage 12:45am He says "the penny has dropped" with voters. No just protesting against the Torys and Labour[/p][/quote]Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -14

12:55am Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

What about the rest of the country how did the seats go
What about the rest of the country how did the seats go southy
  • Score: -5

12:57am Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Farage

12:45am

He says "the penny has dropped" with voters.

No just protesting against the Torys and Labour
Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to.
very true ginger, my protest vote went to the Socialist party of great britian
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Farage 12:45am He says "the penny has dropped" with voters. No just protesting against the Torys and Labour[/p][/quote]Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to.[/p][/quote]very true ginger, my protest vote went to the Socialist party of great britian southy
  • Score: -15

1:02am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Farage

12:45am

He says "the penny has dropped" with voters.

No just protesting against the Torys and Labour
Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to.
very true ginger, my protest vote went to the Socialist party of great britian
Mine wasn't a protest but I voted greens.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Farage 12:45am He says "the penny has dropped" with voters. No just protesting against the Torys and Labour[/p][/quote]Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to.[/p][/quote]very true ginger, my protest vote went to the Socialist party of great britian[/p][/quote]Mine wasn't a protest but I voted greens. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -12

1:10am Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Farage

12:45am

He says "the penny has dropped" with voters.

No just protesting against the Torys and Labour
Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to.
very true ginger, my protest vote went to the Socialist party of great britian
Mine wasn't a protest but I voted greens.
I would off voted that way my self but what they did in Brighton and Bristol makes them no different from the Torys or Labour and the Socialist Greens still don't know what they are going to do now that they have left the Green Party
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Farage 12:45am He says "the penny has dropped" with voters. No just protesting against the Torys and Labour[/p][/quote]Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to.[/p][/quote]very true ginger, my protest vote went to the Socialist party of great britian[/p][/quote]Mine wasn't a protest but I voted greens.[/p][/quote]I would off voted that way my self but what they did in Brighton and Bristol makes them no different from the Torys or Labour and the Socialist Greens still don't know what they are going to do now that they have left the Green Party southy
  • Score: -7

1:17am Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Oh heck the Fascist groups all over the EU have done well, it was not just here in the UK with UKIP
Oh heck the Fascist groups all over the EU have done well, it was not just here in the UK with UKIP southy
  • Score: -11

1:20am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Farage

12:45am

He says "the penny has dropped" with voters.

No just protesting against the Torys and Labour
Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to.
very true ginger, my protest vote went to the Socialist party of great britian
Mine wasn't a protest but I voted greens.
I would off voted that way my self but what they did in Brighton and Bristol makes them no different from the Torys or Labour and the Socialist Greens still don't know what they are going to do now that they have left the Green Party
Maybe I should stand as an indipendant.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Farage 12:45am He says "the penny has dropped" with voters. No just protesting against the Torys and Labour[/p][/quote]Sadly, UKIP was the WORST party they could have chosen to give "protest" votes to.[/p][/quote]very true ginger, my protest vote went to the Socialist party of great britian[/p][/quote]Mine wasn't a protest but I voted greens.[/p][/quote]I would off voted that way my self but what they did in Brighton and Bristol makes them no different from the Torys or Labour and the Socialist Greens still don't know what they are going to do now that they have left the Green Party[/p][/quote]Maybe I should stand as an indipendant. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -7

1:21am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

And now, we are going to die, nice knowing(sort of) you all.
And now, we are going to die, nice knowing(sort of) you all. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -10

1:36am Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Ginger why don't you its easy to moan and groan, harder to stand up and do some thing about it, If you want change for the better then ordinary people need to stand up and be counted.
Echo what was the turn out like. is it around the 30% like most of the EU as been.
In the local elections the TUSC took over 50,000 of the votes in the UK and they was still counting last time I check that is very good more so because the party is only 4 years old, Ukip at 4 years old got around 1,500 votes and its taking them over 20 years to get this far
Ginger why don't you its easy to moan and groan, harder to stand up and do some thing about it, If you want change for the better then ordinary people need to stand up and be counted. Echo what was the turn out like. is it around the 30% like most of the EU as been. In the local elections the TUSC took over 50,000 of the votes in the UK and they was still counting last time I check that is very good more so because the party is only 4 years old, Ukip at 4 years old got around 1,500 votes and its taking them over 20 years to get this far southy
  • Score: -5

1:39am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

southy wrote:
Ginger why don't you its easy to moan and groan, harder to stand up and do some thing about it, If you want change for the better then ordinary people need to stand up and be counted.
Echo what was the turn out like. is it around the 30% like most of the EU as been.
In the local elections the TUSC took over 50,000 of the votes in the UK and they was still counting last time I check that is very good more so because the party is only 4 years old, Ukip at 4 years old got around 1,500 votes and its taking them over 20 years to get this far
I would stand as an independent if I knew how to and knew if I could.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Ginger why don't you its easy to moan and groan, harder to stand up and do some thing about it, If you want change for the better then ordinary people need to stand up and be counted. Echo what was the turn out like. is it around the 30% like most of the EU as been. In the local elections the TUSC took over 50,000 of the votes in the UK and they was still counting last time I check that is very good more so because the party is only 4 years old, Ukip at 4 years old got around 1,500 votes and its taking them over 20 years to get this far[/p][/quote]I would stand as an independent if I knew how to and knew if I could. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -11

4:38am Mon 26 May 14

issacchunt says...

southy wrote:
Oh heck the Fascist groups all over the EU have done well, it was not just here in the UK with UKIP
I wonder why? Decent people fed up with the lip service being paid to issues the relentless immigration has created. Fed up with being accused of racism when our whole way of life has been undermined and damaged. Not the fault of any one immigrant but labours open door policy.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Oh heck the Fascist groups all over the EU have done well, it was not just here in the UK with UKIP[/p][/quote]I wonder why? Decent people fed up with the lip service being paid to issues the relentless immigration has created. Fed up with being accused of racism when our whole way of life has been undermined and damaged. Not the fault of any one immigrant but labours open door policy. issacchunt
  • Score: 9

7:04am Mon 26 May 14

bigfella777 says...

The rise of the brown shirts again, how awful that people should harbour such fear and hatred in 2014.
The rise of the brown shirts again, how awful that people should harbour such fear and hatred in 2014. bigfella777
  • Score: -7

8:44am Mon 26 May 14

issacchunt says...

Facists, racists, brown shirts etc etc etc and all the other names thrown at UKIP voters. You lot are the intolerant ones, most 'normal' non political people are fed up with how our society has changed.

the pressure on schools, hospitals and jobs. Only liberal bleeding hearts don't see the damage, we're past the name calling. Call us what you want but time to look at the issues affecting the hated majority.
Facists, racists, brown shirts etc etc etc and all the other names thrown at UKIP voters. You lot are the intolerant ones, most 'normal' non political people are fed up with how our society has changed. the pressure on schools, hospitals and jobs. Only liberal bleeding hearts don't see the damage, we're past the name calling. Call us what you want but time to look at the issues affecting the hated majority. issacchunt
  • Score: 9

9:31am Mon 26 May 14

miltonarcher says...

This could give Balls the keys to number 11, oh well, the recovery was nice whilst it lasted. Will the last person leaving the UK please turn out the lights.
This could give Balls the keys to number 11, oh well, the recovery was nice whilst it lasted. Will the last person leaving the UK please turn out the lights. miltonarcher
  • Score: 3

10:02am Mon 26 May 14

Yorkyboy22 says...

I liked the quote from Lembit Opik that great LibDem who tweeted:

'Last night was a 'pretty disappointing night' for Lib Dems in the same way the Titanic had a 'pretty disappointing crossing'.

Looks like the game's up Nick. Go back to your constituencies and prepare for oblivion in 2015!
I liked the quote from Lembit Opik that great LibDem who tweeted: 'Last night was a 'pretty disappointing night' for Lib Dems in the same way the Titanic had a 'pretty disappointing crossing'. Looks like the game's up Nick. Go back to your constituencies and prepare for oblivion in 2015! Yorkyboy22
  • Score: 6

10:10am Mon 26 May 14

aldermoorboy says...

Labour put us in this mess after 13 years of bad management, the Tories are digging us out of this hole.
Labour put us in this mess after 13 years of bad management, the Tories are digging us out of this hole. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -4

10:11am Mon 26 May 14

Dready84 says...

Hey Russell Brand, you know that 'revolution' you said would happen if no one voted? This is what it looks like, well done mate!
Hey Russell Brand, you know that 'revolution' you said would happen if no one voted? This is what it looks like, well done mate! Dready84
  • Score: 2

10:21am Mon 26 May 14

sparkster says...

Good on Nigel Farage he cant be that bad if people voted for him, we did and we are proud of it, at least he answers questions he's asked, perhaps Cameron Clegg and Milliband might learn from this in that they dont listen to what people are saying, if Nigel Farage were to win the general election, i say bring it on
Good on Nigel Farage he cant be that bad if people voted for him, we did and we are proud of it, at least he answers questions he's asked, perhaps Cameron Clegg and Milliband might learn from this in that they dont listen to what people are saying, if Nigel Farage were to win the general election, i say bring it on sparkster
  • Score: 8

10:23am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

sparkster wrote:
Good on Nigel Farage he cant be that bad if people voted for him, we did and we are proud of it, at least he answers questions he's asked, perhaps Cameron Clegg and Milliband might learn from this in that they dont listen to what people are saying, if Nigel Farage were to win the general election, i say bring it on
Yeah... Well done... Now we're going to take a 100 year step BACKWARDS, WELL FRACKING DONE TO ALL THE STUPID MORONS WHO VOTED FOR THE NAZIS.
[quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: Good on Nigel Farage he cant be that bad if people voted for him, we did and we are proud of it, at least he answers questions he's asked, perhaps Cameron Clegg and Milliband might learn from this in that they dont listen to what people are saying, if Nigel Farage were to win the general election, i say bring it on[/p][/quote]Yeah... Well done... Now we're going to take a 100 year step BACKWARDS, WELL FRACKING DONE TO ALL THE STUPID MORONS WHO VOTED FOR THE NAZIS. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -13

10:28am Mon 26 May 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Dready84 wrote:
Hey Russell Brand, you know that 'revolution' you said would happen if no one voted? This is what it looks like, well done mate!
Russell Brand for Prim Minister!!
[quote][p][bold]Dready84[/bold] wrote: Hey Russell Brand, you know that 'revolution' you said would happen if no one voted? This is what it looks like, well done mate![/p][/quote]Russell Brand for Prim Minister!! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: -7

10:35am Mon 26 May 14

Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham says...

I voted UKIP. However, Farage's total dismissal of the prospect of actually WORKING ALONGSIDE the FN in France or any other nationalistic European party is a grave mistake and serves only to reinforce the notion, real or imagined, that UKIP are a party of Little Englanders.
It is ridiculous to rule out forming an EU Parliament grouping with the FN, Jobbik or The Freedom Party - you all want the same thing, for heaven's sake, and you will only ACHIEVE it by working TOGETHER. DO you WANT to stand impotent on the sidelines? Because that's what's going to end up happening if you maintain this course of action, and millions of British people are going to be left with the feeling that they've wasted their vote!
I voted UKIP. However, Farage's total dismissal of the prospect of actually WORKING ALONGSIDE the FN in France or any other nationalistic European party is a grave mistake and serves only to reinforce the notion, real or imagined, that UKIP are a party of Little Englanders. It is ridiculous to rule out forming an EU Parliament grouping with the FN, Jobbik or The Freedom Party - you all want the same thing, for heaven's sake, and you will only ACHIEVE it by working TOGETHER. DO you WANT to stand impotent on the sidelines? Because that's what's going to end up happening if you maintain this course of action, and millions of British people are going to be left with the feeling that they've wasted their vote! Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham
  • Score: 0

10:42am Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
southy wrote:
Ginger why don't you its easy to moan and groan, harder to stand up and do some thing about it, If you want change for the better then ordinary people need to stand up and be counted.
Echo what was the turn out like. is it around the 30% like most of the EU as been.
In the local elections the TUSC took over 50,000 of the votes in the UK and they was still counting last time I check that is very good more so because the party is only 4 years old, Ukip at 4 years old got around 1,500 votes and its taking them over 20 years to get this far
I would stand as an independent if I knew how to and knew if I could.
Well there is another way, Join a Union and become part of TUSC and while your standing for TUSC you will learn how it is done and what you got to do.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Ginger why don't you its easy to moan and groan, harder to stand up and do some thing about it, If you want change for the better then ordinary people need to stand up and be counted. Echo what was the turn out like. is it around the 30% like most of the EU as been. In the local elections the TUSC took over 50,000 of the votes in the UK and they was still counting last time I check that is very good more so because the party is only 4 years old, Ukip at 4 years old got around 1,500 votes and its taking them over 20 years to get this far[/p][/quote]I would stand as an independent if I knew how to and knew if I could.[/p][/quote]Well there is another way, Join a Union and become part of TUSC and while your standing for TUSC you will learn how it is done and what you got to do. southy
  • Score: -7

10:44am Mon 26 May 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Ginger why don't you its easy to moan and groan, harder to stand up and do some thing about it, If you want change for the better then ordinary people need to stand up and be counted.
Echo what was the turn out like. is it around the 30% like most of the EU as been.
In the local elections the TUSC took over 50,000 of the votes in the UK and they was still counting last time I check that is very good more so because the party is only 4 years old, Ukip at 4 years old got around 1,500 votes and its taking them over 20 years to get this far
By now you may have found out that the turnout was in excess of 40% not the figure that you just plucked out of the air. Looking through the results it seems to you that 50000 seems a lot but put it against the many millions cast for others, it helps explain the universal position of last wherever 'the Tusc' put up a candidate. Every time NO2EU was mentioned on the BBC last night it was linked to the lowest number of votes, and when Wales declared a result, the two party's with the word 'socialist' attached to them were comfortably at the bottom as well. You claim that the UKIP vote was a protest but can't explain why the disaffected voters didn't move to the left, unless you still believe they were all hypnotised by 'false right wing propaganda' in the right wing media. It's only been four years so we're doing well but that's a lie as well isn't it? Since the 1930s when the Communist Party tried to gain votes in the UK and failed, the name has been regularly changed and the latest one is Tusc, which like all the others has had no success. It's only a new party until the next name change and you can use that excuse all over again. You spend all of your time splitting hairs, arguing irrelevant points and finding excuses for failure when the successful party's simply put their case to the electorate and then count all the votes, it's time to accept that those handfuls of votes will never mean electoral success.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Ginger why don't you its easy to moan and groan, harder to stand up and do some thing about it, If you want change for the better then ordinary people need to stand up and be counted. Echo what was the turn out like. is it around the 30% like most of the EU as been. In the local elections the TUSC took over 50,000 of the votes in the UK and they was still counting last time I check that is very good more so because the party is only 4 years old, Ukip at 4 years old got around 1,500 votes and its taking them over 20 years to get this far[/p][/quote]By now you may have found out that the turnout was in excess of 40% not the figure that you just plucked out of the air. Looking through the results it seems to you that 50000 seems a lot but put it against the many millions cast for others, it helps explain the universal position of last wherever 'the Tusc' put up a candidate. Every time NO2EU was mentioned on the BBC last night it was linked to the lowest number of votes, and when Wales declared a result, the two party's with the word 'socialist' attached to them were comfortably at the bottom as well. You claim that the UKIP vote was a protest but can't explain why the disaffected voters didn't move to the left, unless you still believe they were all hypnotised by 'false right wing propaganda' in the right wing media. It's only been four years so we're doing well but that's a lie as well isn't it? Since the 1930s when the Communist Party tried to gain votes in the UK and failed, the name has been regularly changed and the latest one is Tusc, which like all the others has had no success. It's only a new party until the next name change and you can use that excuse all over again. You spend all of your time splitting hairs, arguing irrelevant points and finding excuses for failure when the successful party's simply put their case to the electorate and then count all the votes, it's time to accept that those handfuls of votes will never mean electoral success. Torchie1
  • Score: 5

10:56am Mon 26 May 14

sparkster says...

Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe
Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe sparkster
  • Score: 5

11:01am Mon 26 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

In a bid to pacify Tory voters and a number of posters on this site I suggest that all Democratic voting should be put on hold until after the 2015 election. Tories can then tell us where exactly they would want us to put our “crosses”
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This will give them the chance to win an election ……… by a majority ….. something they will have failed to do in some 18 years.
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It will also do away with their pathetic sniping and blaming everyone else for their complete and utter failings and incompetence …..
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I find it so difficult to understand why people in the 21st Century in a so called Civilised Society find it so difficult to accept the Democratic principle ……
In a bid to pacify Tory voters and a number of posters on this site I suggest that all Democratic voting should be put on hold until after the 2015 election. Tories can then tell us where exactly they would want us to put our “crosses” . This will give them the chance to win an election ……… by a majority ….. something they will have failed to do in some 18 years. . It will also do away with their pathetic sniping and blaming everyone else for their complete and utter failings and incompetence ….. . I find it so difficult to understand why people in the 21st Century in a so called Civilised Society find it so difficult to accept the Democratic principle …… Lone Ranger.
  • Score: -3

11:02am Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

issacchunt wrote:
southy wrote:
Oh heck the Fascist groups all over the EU have done well, it was not just here in the UK with UKIP
I wonder why? Decent people fed up with the lip service being paid to issues the relentless immigration has created. Fed up with being accused of racism when our whole way of life has been undermined and damaged. Not the fault of any one immigrant but labours open door policy.
Well you can blame Thatcher for that not Labour as it was an EU ruling, Your reaping the benefits of Thatcher policy's from the 80's and the agreements that she signed in the UN and the agreements that she got started in the EU, even if we was to pull out of the EU that immigration policy would of still happen and it would not of mattered even if UKIP had government power.
And if we could of got round it what would be the repercussions there is hell of a lot more Brits living abroad than there is immigrates in the UK. In 2011 90,000 ex-pat (Brits) returned to the UK from Spain alone because they could no longer afford to live there, 90,000 and that was not even half of the Brits that live in Spain, there is over 1 million Brits in Spain.
UKIP answer is all wrong they are not curing a problem they will only make it worse because there answer to the problem is to push the blame on to a minority, What was it was said about the Romanians, Bulgarians and another Country they pulled out a figure in its millions that would head to this country, that did not happen, I did say at the time where these people would head to because they had a lot in common and they did go there and not here and the number that went to these country,s only amounted to well not even a million, UKIP said the same about the Poles and that never happen also. UKIP are fear mongers
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Oh heck the Fascist groups all over the EU have done well, it was not just here in the UK with UKIP[/p][/quote]I wonder why? Decent people fed up with the lip service being paid to issues the relentless immigration has created. Fed up with being accused of racism when our whole way of life has been undermined and damaged. Not the fault of any one immigrant but labours open door policy.[/p][/quote]Well you can blame Thatcher for that not Labour as it was an EU ruling, Your reaping the benefits of Thatcher policy's from the 80's and the agreements that she signed in the UN and the agreements that she got started in the EU, even if we was to pull out of the EU that immigration policy would of still happen and it would not of mattered even if UKIP had government power. And if we could of got round it what would be the repercussions there is hell of a lot more Brits living abroad than there is immigrates in the UK. In 2011 90,000 ex-pat (Brits) returned to the UK from Spain alone because they could no longer afford to live there, 90,000 and that was not even half of the Brits that live in Spain, there is over 1 million Brits in Spain. UKIP answer is all wrong they are not curing a problem they will only make it worse because there answer to the problem is to push the blame on to a minority, What was it was said about the Romanians, Bulgarians and another Country they pulled out a figure in its millions that would head to this country, that did not happen, I did say at the time where these people would head to because they had a lot in common and they did go there and not here and the number that went to these country,s only amounted to well not even a million, UKIP said the same about the Poles and that never happen also. UKIP are fear mongers southy
  • Score: -5

11:05am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

sparkster wrote:
Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe
Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage.
[quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe[/p][/quote]Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -5

11:10am Mon 26 May 14

forest hump says...

sparkster wrote:
Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe
Just ignore him. Let him trot off on his green bike and stand fas an "independent". He will soon learn that his sheltered views are way and beyond that of the majority and has now resorted to calling people fascists and Nazis. Let he and his bike go rust in that cave he dreams of.
[quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe[/p][/quote]Just ignore him. Let him trot off on his green bike and stand fas an "independent". He will soon learn that his sheltered views are way and beyond that of the majority and has now resorted to calling people fascists and Nazis. Let he and his bike go rust in that cave he dreams of. forest hump
  • Score: 1

11:12am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

forest hump wrote:
sparkster wrote:
Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe
Just ignore him. Let him trot off on his green bike and stand fas an "independent". He will soon learn that his sheltered views are way and beyond that of the majority and has now resorted to calling people fascists and Nazis. Let he and his bike go rust in that cave he dreams of.
With UKIP, we WILL end up living in caves.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe[/p][/quote]Just ignore him. Let him trot off on his green bike and stand fas an "independent". He will soon learn that his sheltered views are way and beyond that of the majority and has now resorted to calling people fascists and Nazis. Let he and his bike go rust in that cave he dreams of.[/p][/quote]With UKIP, we WILL end up living in caves. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -6

11:17am Mon 26 May 14

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
sparkster wrote:
Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe
Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage.
As a wannabee politician Ginger, explain how leaving the EU would affect the workings of National Minimum Wage Act which a UK government introduced fifteen years ago.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe[/p][/quote]Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage.[/p][/quote]As a wannabee politician Ginger, explain how leaving the EU would affect the workings of National Minimum Wage Act which a UK government introduced fifteen years ago. Torchie1
  • Score: 2

11:21am Mon 26 May 14

bigfella777 says...

issacchunt wrote:
Facists, racists, brown shirts etc etc etc and all the other names thrown at UKIP voters. You lot are the intolerant ones, most 'normal' non political people are fed up with how our society has changed.

the pressure on schools, hospitals and jobs. Only liberal bleeding hearts don't see the damage, we're past the name calling. Call us what you want but time to look at the issues affecting the hated majority.
No you're fed up with it because you are a sad little man without a life, don't pretend you are speaking for the people.
Our society has never been better, shame you're not part of it.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Facists, racists, brown shirts etc etc etc and all the other names thrown at UKIP voters. You lot are the intolerant ones, most 'normal' non political people are fed up with how our society has changed. the pressure on schools, hospitals and jobs. Only liberal bleeding hearts don't see the damage, we're past the name calling. Call us what you want but time to look at the issues affecting the hated majority.[/p][/quote]No you're fed up with it because you are a sad little man without a life, don't pretend you are speaking for the people. Our society has never been better, shame you're not part of it. bigfella777
  • Score: -1

11:22am Mon 26 May 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
sparkster wrote:
Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe
Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage.
As a wannabee politician Ginger, explain how leaving the EU would affect the workings of National Minimum Wage Act which a UK government introduced fifteen years ago.
THAT only came about due to the EU, without the EU, we might not have got a minimum wage and leaving the EU would mean that the law on it doesn't have to stay in place and is one that Fuhrage wants rid of.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe[/p][/quote]Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage.[/p][/quote]As a wannabee politician Ginger, explain how leaving the EU would affect the workings of National Minimum Wage Act which a UK government introduced fifteen years ago.[/p][/quote]THAT only came about due to the EU, without the EU, we might not have got a minimum wage and leaving the EU would mean that the law on it doesn't have to stay in place and is one that Fuhrage wants rid of. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: -4

11:37am Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero
So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.
It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't. Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

12:04pm Mon 26 May 14

Torchie1 says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
sparkster wrote:
Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe
Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage.
As a wannabee politician Ginger, explain how leaving the EU would affect the workings of National Minimum Wage Act which a UK government introduced fifteen years ago.
THAT only came about due to the EU, without the EU, we might not have got a minimum wage and leaving the EU would mean that the law on it doesn't have to stay in place and is one that Fuhrage wants rid of.
Perhaps you should do a bit more reading before you jump in and make a clown of yourself. It was introduced by Labour as part of their Minimum Wage Policy not forced on the UK by any EU legislation. The idea of a minimum wage goes back even further to previous Labour administrations from the 1980s. All easy to verify by reading the information posted by Labour on their own websites. I've told you before that you are a two wheeled version of Southy and making up facts as you go along will only see you tarred with the same brush. Perhaps you should stick to greasing your chain and polishing your bell.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe[/p][/quote]Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage.[/p][/quote]As a wannabee politician Ginger, explain how leaving the EU would affect the workings of National Minimum Wage Act which a UK government introduced fifteen years ago.[/p][/quote]THAT only came about due to the EU, without the EU, we might not have got a minimum wage and leaving the EU would mean that the law on it doesn't have to stay in place and is one that Fuhrage wants rid of.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should do a bit more reading before you jump in and make a clown of yourself. It was introduced by Labour as part of their Minimum Wage Policy not forced on the UK by any EU legislation. The idea of a minimum wage goes back even further to previous Labour administrations from the 1980s. All easy to verify by reading the information posted by Labour on their own websites. I've told you before that you are a two wheeled version of Southy and making up facts as you go along will only see you tarred with the same brush. Perhaps you should stick to greasing your chain and polishing your bell. Torchie1
  • Score: 4

12:09pm Mon 26 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Considering it was Labour Party that was opposed to joining even the EEC, the mother which produced the EU and the darling of Tories now dead Maggie Thatcher while supporting the EU used to criticise Labour for that opposition, it is difficult to take Tories opposing the EU seriously.

As under pressure from Maggie the opportunist Labour under Kinnock ditched policy of opposition of EU along with many other Labour values (and whatever of Labour values survived the cull of Kinnock were butchered by NuLabourites under Blair and Brown) the NuLabourites should accept that either their Party was little Englander, narrow minded and stupid when opposing the EEC and the EU or it's opportunist change of policy left the field open for others to fill the gap.

The UKIP under Farage has simply filled that gap, so rather than keep on throwing insults at UKIP both Tories and NuLabour lot should be owning their
Parties parts played in the rise of UKIP.

Personally I was against the EEC and have always disliked the EU but have never voted for UKIP (would have voted Green but voted for Socialist Party GB as substitute for spoiling the ballot paper) but I disassociate myself from those on the left who are calling UKIP Brown Shirts Fascists and Nazis etc.

Before doing that the so called comrades (what a waste of the word considering most of them love backstabbing each other!!) should look the records of their own parties. Because having spent most of my life actively participating in British Trade Union and Labour Movement I can only confirm that just like UKIP there are plenty of hard line racist and fascist indviduals within NuLabour, small socialist groups and parties and trade unions as well. So on that score UKIP is hardly any different.

The debate should be whether country has the right to exist as independent nation and its sovereignaity or it should be ruled by bureaucrats in Brussels.
Those of us who don't want to be ruled by Brussels should be joining on single issue campaign for securing independence while keeping other policies out of anti EU campaign.
Considering it was Labour Party that was opposed to joining even the EEC, the mother which produced the EU and the darling of Tories now dead Maggie Thatcher while supporting the EU used to criticise Labour for that opposition, it is difficult to take Tories opposing the EU seriously. As under pressure from Maggie the opportunist Labour under Kinnock ditched policy of opposition of EU along with many other Labour values (and whatever of Labour values survived the cull of Kinnock were butchered by NuLabourites under Blair and Brown) the NuLabourites should accept that either their Party was little Englander, narrow minded and stupid when opposing the EEC and the EU or it's opportunist change of policy left the field open for others to fill the gap. The UKIP under Farage has simply filled that gap, so rather than keep on throwing insults at UKIP both Tories and NuLabour lot should be owning their Parties parts played in the rise of UKIP. Personally I was against the EEC and have always disliked the EU but have never voted for UKIP (would have voted Green but voted for Socialist Party GB as substitute for spoiling the ballot paper) but I disassociate myself from those on the left who are calling UKIP Brown Shirts Fascists and Nazis etc. Before doing that the so called comrades (what a waste of the word considering most of them love backstabbing each other!!) should look the records of their own parties. Because having spent most of my life actively participating in British Trade Union and Labour Movement I can only confirm that just like UKIP there are plenty of hard line racist and fascist indviduals within NuLabour, small socialist groups and parties and trade unions as well. So on that score UKIP is hardly any different. The debate should be whether country has the right to exist as independent nation and its sovereignaity or it should be ruled by bureaucrats in Brussels. Those of us who don't want to be ruled by Brussels should be joining on single issue campaign for securing independence while keeping other policies out of anti EU campaign. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 0

12:16pm Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
sparkster wrote:
Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe
Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage.
As a wannabee politician Ginger, explain how leaving the EU would affect the workings of National Minimum Wage Act which a UK government introduced fifteen years ago.
THAT only came about due to the EU, without the EU, we might not have got a minimum wage and leaving the EU would mean that the law on it doesn't have to stay in place and is one that Fuhrage wants rid of.
Perhaps you should do a bit more reading before you jump in and make a clown of yourself. It was introduced by Labour as part of their Minimum Wage Policy not forced on the UK by any EU legislation. The idea of a minimum wage goes back even further to previous Labour administrations from the 1980s. All easy to verify by reading the information posted by Labour on their own websites. I've told you before that you are a two wheeled version of Southy and making up facts as you go along will only see you tarred with the same brush. Perhaps you should stick to greasing your chain and polishing your bell.
Humm Labour term in office since 1980, well it would of been Tory's in office right into the mid 90's, when Labour took over office, there was no NWL before 1980 as it was not needed, and only started to become needed in the 80's when the first of the many lowering of wages and longer working hours started under the Thatcher Tory Government, Please recheck your dates Torchie
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sparkster[/bold] wrote: Ginger_cyclist we are all entitled to vote for who we want if people are morons for voting for Nigel Farage so be it and I dont see where naziz come into it, we can trade with europe without having to be in europe[/p][/quote]Will make expensive for those who would want anything from us though, so our economy will suffer HEAVILY and it's not just trading that will take a hit, leaing the EU will mean the lose of many things such as minimum wage.[/p][/quote]As a wannabee politician Ginger, explain how leaving the EU would affect the workings of National Minimum Wage Act which a UK government introduced fifteen years ago.[/p][/quote]THAT only came about due to the EU, without the EU, we might not have got a minimum wage and leaving the EU would mean that the law on it doesn't have to stay in place and is one that Fuhrage wants rid of.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you should do a bit more reading before you jump in and make a clown of yourself. It was introduced by Labour as part of their Minimum Wage Policy not forced on the UK by any EU legislation. The idea of a minimum wage goes back even further to previous Labour administrations from the 1980s. All easy to verify by reading the information posted by Labour on their own websites. I've told you before that you are a two wheeled version of Southy and making up facts as you go along will only see you tarred with the same brush. Perhaps you should stick to greasing your chain and polishing your bell.[/p][/quote]Humm Labour term in office since 1980, well it would of been Tory's in office right into the mid 90's, when Labour took over office, there was no NWL before 1980 as it was not needed, and only started to become needed in the 80's when the first of the many lowering of wages and longer working hours started under the Thatcher Tory Government, Please recheck your dates Torchie southy
  • Score: -2

12:30pm Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero
So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.
They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in.
What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change.
The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.[/p][/quote]They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in. What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change. The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all. southy
  • Score: -1

12:35pm Mon 26 May 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Way back in 1960s when UK was trying to join the mother of EU the EEC there was an article in the Guardian by a Liberal (I think named David Steel) more or less predicting that UK will not be happy in the long run.

According to that UK failed to play the ball fairly in the Commonwealth and had joined the EFTA and while EFTA headquarters building was not even built UK was ditching that to join the EEC. The author had suggested that it may be in the nature of UK to keep on shifting and not fitting in any organisation.

Strangely now the latest version of old Libral Part the lousy Lib Dem are not practising what Lord David Steel predicted.
Way back in 1960s when UK was trying to join the mother of EU the EEC there was an article in the Guardian by a Liberal (I think named David Steel) more or less predicting that UK will not be happy in the long run. According to that UK failed to play the ball fairly in the Commonwealth and had joined the EFTA and while EFTA headquarters building was not even built UK was ditching that to join the EEC. The author had suggested that it may be in the nature of UK to keep on shifting and not fitting in any organisation. Strangely now the latest version of old Libral Part the lousy Lib Dem are not practising what Lord David Steel predicted. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 0

12:45pm Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero
So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.
They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in.
What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change.
The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all.
Look Southy, if you're out of the EU there is no freedom of movement between Eastern Europe and UK. Pure and simple. Western Europe isn't relevant because they'd rarely want to come here anyway. I doubt our Border Agency is sufficiently competent to enforce it, but that's work to be done. Enough for now that we GET OUT. In 10 years TURKEY is going to be in, i.e. everyone from Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria, can flood into Little Britain. NO!.TUSC won't do anything because no one's going to vote for them. A lot of people have voted UKIP Southy, and may again. That's how it is out here-in the real world-outside horrible London, the Great Wen indeed.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.[/p][/quote]They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in. What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change. The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all.[/p][/quote]Look Southy, if you're out of the EU there is no freedom of movement between Eastern Europe and UK. Pure and simple. Western Europe isn't relevant because they'd rarely want to come here anyway. I doubt our Border Agency is sufficiently competent to enforce it, but that's work to be done. Enough for now that we GET OUT. In 10 years TURKEY is going to be in, i.e. everyone from Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria, can flood into Little Britain. NO!.TUSC won't do anything because no one's going to vote for them. A lot of people have voted UKIP Southy, and may again. That's how it is out here-in the real world-outside horrible London, the Great Wen indeed. Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

12:50pm Mon 26 May 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

chris spivey has a article online today explaining why the uk got a very bad deal in the eu.
chris spivey has a article online today explaining why the uk got a very bad deal in the eu. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 1

12:51pm Mon 26 May 14

aldermoorboy says...

Tories will win the 2015 election, get change in Europe and we will all live happily ever after.
Tories will win the 2015 election, get change in Europe and we will all live happily ever after. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero
So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.
They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in.
What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change.
The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all.
Look Southy, if you're out of the EU there is no freedom of movement between Eastern Europe and UK. Pure and simple. Western Europe isn't relevant because they'd rarely want to come here anyway. I doubt our Border Agency is sufficiently competent to enforce it, but that's work to be done. Enough for now that we GET OUT. In 10 years TURKEY is going to be in, i.e. everyone from Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria, can flood into Little Britain. NO!.TUSC won't do anything because no one's going to vote for them. A lot of people have voted UKIP Southy, and may again. That's how it is out here-in the real world-outside horrible London, the Great Wen indeed.
No you be wrong and Farage knows this, The same ruling that allows Asian's to be able to come here to work will allow eastern Europeans to come here to work, pulling out of the EU will not stop it, Its an agreement that Thatcher signed in the 80's with the UN.
And where is this massive Eastern European flood that was meant to be heading here, it never happen and its not going to happen Farage and UKIP played on people fears, Eastern Europeans have been coming to the UK since the late mid 90's, you say that western Europe don't want to come here then please explain the French Quarter in London that as over 100,000 French working and living there.
No you bought into a UKIP lie.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.[/p][/quote]They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in. What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change. The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all.[/p][/quote]Look Southy, if you're out of the EU there is no freedom of movement between Eastern Europe and UK. Pure and simple. Western Europe isn't relevant because they'd rarely want to come here anyway. I doubt our Border Agency is sufficiently competent to enforce it, but that's work to be done. Enough for now that we GET OUT. In 10 years TURKEY is going to be in, i.e. everyone from Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria, can flood into Little Britain. NO!.TUSC won't do anything because no one's going to vote for them. A lot of people have voted UKIP Southy, and may again. That's how it is out here-in the real world-outside horrible London, the Great Wen indeed.[/p][/quote]No you be wrong and Farage knows this, The same ruling that allows Asian's to be able to come here to work will allow eastern Europeans to come here to work, pulling out of the EU will not stop it, Its an agreement that Thatcher signed in the 80's with the UN. And where is this massive Eastern European flood that was meant to be heading here, it never happen and its not going to happen Farage and UKIP played on people fears, Eastern Europeans have been coming to the UK since the late mid 90's, you say that western Europe don't want to come here then please explain the French Quarter in London that as over 100,000 French working and living there. No you bought into a UKIP lie. southy
  • Score: -2

2:21pm Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero
So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.
They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in.
What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change.
The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all.
Look Southy, if you're out of the EU there is no freedom of movement between Eastern Europe and UK. Pure and simple. Western Europe isn't relevant because they'd rarely want to come here anyway. I doubt our Border Agency is sufficiently competent to enforce it, but that's work to be done. Enough for now that we GET OUT. In 10 years TURKEY is going to be in, i.e. everyone from Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria, can flood into Little Britain. NO!.TUSC won't do anything because no one's going to vote for them. A lot of people have voted UKIP Southy, and may again. That's how it is out here-in the real world-outside horrible London, the Great Wen indeed.
No you be wrong and Farage knows this, The same ruling that allows Asian's to be able to come here to work will allow eastern Europeans to come here to work, pulling out of the EU will not stop it, Its an agreement that Thatcher signed in the 80's with the UN.
And where is this massive Eastern European flood that was meant to be heading here, it never happen and its not going to happen Farage and UKIP played on people fears, Eastern Europeans have been coming to the UK since the late mid 90's, you say that western Europe don't want to come here then please explain the French Quarter in London that as over 100,000 French working and living there.
No you bought into a UKIP lie.
The UN isn't a country and , if someone did sign something it can be unsigned or ignored at will. What's the UN gonna do? Send a gunboat?
I appreciate you've never left Southampton but if you should one day travel to Europe you will find there are no borders within the EU-we went from Trieste to Slovenia to Austria at will.
I like the idea of the" French Quarter" in London-the Quai du Thames, Boulevard de Côté pas Cher- Southy, your electorate must be soo confused. Is it possible that there was no great influx of Eastern Europeans because word got back to them that there were people in UK who didn't go along with the metropolitan elite, wouldn't be voting for all the old failed orthodoxie,s and "better give it a year or two, towarzysz, see how it goes". No? Well think about it Southy. They sure as eggs weren't worried about TUSK when they decided not to come just yet.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.[/p][/quote]They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in. What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change. The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all.[/p][/quote]Look Southy, if you're out of the EU there is no freedom of movement between Eastern Europe and UK. Pure and simple. Western Europe isn't relevant because they'd rarely want to come here anyway. I doubt our Border Agency is sufficiently competent to enforce it, but that's work to be done. Enough for now that we GET OUT. In 10 years TURKEY is going to be in, i.e. everyone from Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria, can flood into Little Britain. NO!.TUSC won't do anything because no one's going to vote for them. A lot of people have voted UKIP Southy, and may again. That's how it is out here-in the real world-outside horrible London, the Great Wen indeed.[/p][/quote]No you be wrong and Farage knows this, The same ruling that allows Asian's to be able to come here to work will allow eastern Europeans to come here to work, pulling out of the EU will not stop it, Its an agreement that Thatcher signed in the 80's with the UN. And where is this massive Eastern European flood that was meant to be heading here, it never happen and its not going to happen Farage and UKIP played on people fears, Eastern Europeans have been coming to the UK since the late mid 90's, you say that western Europe don't want to come here then please explain the French Quarter in London that as over 100,000 French working and living there. No you bought into a UKIP lie.[/p][/quote]The UN isn't a country and , if someone did sign something it can be unsigned or ignored at will. What's the UN gonna do? Send a gunboat? I appreciate you've never left Southampton but if you should one day travel to Europe you will find there are no borders within the EU-we went from Trieste to Slovenia to Austria at will. I like the idea of the" French Quarter" in London-the Quai du Thames, Boulevard de Côté pas Cher- Southy, your electorate must be soo confused. Is it possible that there was no great influx of Eastern Europeans because word got back to them that there were people in UK who didn't go along with the metropolitan elite, wouldn't be voting for all the old failed orthodoxie,s and "better give it a year or two, towarzysz, see how it goes". No? Well think about it Southy. They sure as eggs weren't worried about TUSK when they decided not to come just yet. Dai Rear
  • Score: 2

2:29pm Mon 26 May 14

bigfella777 says...

As I said before the elections, vote UKIP get Labour and that's what happened as they take votes from Con/Lib, I can see exactly that happening next year and all the Tory's hard work will have gone to waste.
As I said before the elections, vote UKIP get Labour and that's what happened as they take votes from Con/Lib, I can see exactly that happening next year and all the Tory's hard work will have gone to waste. bigfella777
  • Score: 2

2:37pm Mon 26 May 14

thesouth says...

Ukip voters - closet racists who won't voice their opinions unless shielded by secret voting or behind a computer.
Ukip voters - closet racists who won't voice their opinions unless shielded by secret voting or behind a computer. thesouth
  • Score: 0

3:07pm Mon 26 May 14

southy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
southy wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero
So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.
They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in.
What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change.
The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all.
Look Southy, if you're out of the EU there is no freedom of movement between Eastern Europe and UK. Pure and simple. Western Europe isn't relevant because they'd rarely want to come here anyway. I doubt our Border Agency is sufficiently competent to enforce it, but that's work to be done. Enough for now that we GET OUT. In 10 years TURKEY is going to be in, i.e. everyone from Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria, can flood into Little Britain. NO!.TUSC won't do anything because no one's going to vote for them. A lot of people have voted UKIP Southy, and may again. That's how it is out here-in the real world-outside horrible London, the Great Wen indeed.
No you be wrong and Farage knows this, The same ruling that allows Asian's to be able to come here to work will allow eastern Europeans to come here to work, pulling out of the EU will not stop it, Its an agreement that Thatcher signed in the 80's with the UN.
And where is this massive Eastern European flood that was meant to be heading here, it never happen and its not going to happen Farage and UKIP played on people fears, Eastern Europeans have been coming to the UK since the late mid 90's, you say that western Europe don't want to come here then please explain the French Quarter in London that as over 100,000 French working and living there.
No you bought into a UKIP lie.
The UN isn't a country and , if someone did sign something it can be unsigned or ignored at will. What's the UN gonna do? Send a gunboat?
I appreciate you've never left Southampton but if you should one day travel to Europe you will find there are no borders within the EU-we went from Trieste to Slovenia to Austria at will.
I like the idea of the" French Quarter" in London-the Quai du Thames, Boulevard de Côté pas Cher- Southy, your electorate must be soo confused. Is it possible that there was no great influx of Eastern Europeans because word got back to them that there were people in UK who didn't go along with the metropolitan elite, wouldn't be voting for all the old failed orthodoxie,s and "better give it a year or two, towarzysz, see how it goes". No? Well think about it Southy. They sure as eggs weren't worried about TUSK when they decided not to come just yet.
The UN don't have to be a country it is what it is and as more power than any single country, world agreements are made there World Treaties are signed there and to unsigned it or just plain ignore it, is a hell a lot harder than leaving the EU.
As for never leave Southampton you can only wish to been to places where I have been, so stop that BS.
There was no great influx of Eastern Europeans for one reason those that are here was here long ago way before any off the Eastern Europeans country's joined the EU. In truth most Eastern Europeans don't want to come here they don't have a lot in common with us, How long as it been now that Poland been in the EU and where was that mad rush of millions of Poles coming to this country, turn out to be another UKIP lie for you to buy into.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: It's the people who don't live within the M25 saying they exist as well. Miliband has as much empathy with his Northern heartland as Cameron with the Home Counties-zero So please-stop all the rac-ist blah blah rubbish. I voted UKIP because, unlike Londoners I have to use a car to get to work and the roads are derelict. Eastern Europeans aren't servants to me because I'm not part of the London elite; they're competition, and sometimes unfair competition. I don't care about mock marriage. The metropolitan elite thinks it's important and spends hours and millions on it. In short, they're on Planet Zog and, since I doubt any of the posters are London dwellers I can only assume that your rants against UKIP say you'd like to be. Well I bloomin' well wouldn't.[/p][/quote]They are only competition because of business can bring in an overseas work force and they do not need to keep to the national agreement, so that means that they can pay them below the NWL make them work longer hours, they are exempt from the National Agreement for the first 6 mths, when business will drop that lot and go and get another lot in. What UKIP answer to this nothing apart from pulling out of the EU, and pulling out of the EU still will not change what is happening immigration business will still be able to carry on bring in overseas workforce and you still have the same problem because it stems from an agreement that Thatcher signed with the UN in the 80's that came into force in the 90's. Farage is spinning you a lie about immigration and using the fear factor knowing to well nothing will change. The only way things will change is the way that the TUSC will do and that is to enforce that there is no exempt period for overseas workforce for business, enforce a law that would make business to keep to the national agreement even for overseas workers, Farage UKIP is no different from the Tory's just a lot more to the Right wing policy,s that all, they are not all for the people they just need the peoples votes and that is all.[/p][/quote]Look Southy, if you're out of the EU there is no freedom of movement between Eastern Europe and UK. Pure and simple. Western Europe isn't relevant because they'd rarely want to come here anyway. I doubt our Border Agency is sufficiently competent to enforce it, but that's work to be done. Enough for now that we GET OUT. In 10 years TURKEY is going to be in, i.e. everyone from Iraq, Afghanistan , Syria, can flood into Little Britain. NO!.TUSC won't do anything because no one's going to vote for them. A lot of people have voted UKIP Southy, and may again. That's how it is out here-in the real world-outside horrible London, the Great Wen indeed.[/p][/quote]No you be wrong and Farage knows this, The same ruling that allows Asian's to be able to come here to work will allow eastern Europeans to come here to work, pulling out of the EU will not stop it, Its an agreement that Thatcher signed in the 80's with the UN. And where is this massive Eastern European flood that was meant to be heading here, it never happen and its not going to happen Farage and UKIP played on people fears, Eastern Europeans have been coming to the UK since the late mid 90's, you say that western Europe don't want to come here then please explain the French Quarter in London that as over 100,000 French working and living there. No you bought into a UKIP lie.[/p][/quote]The UN isn't a country and , if someone did sign something it can be unsigned or ignored at will. What's the UN gonna do? Send a gunboat? I appreciate you've never left Southampton but if you should one day travel to Europe you will find there are no borders within the EU-we went from Trieste to Slovenia to Austria at will. I like the idea of the" French Quarter" in London-the Quai du Thames, Boulevard de Côté pas Cher- Southy, your electorate must be soo confused. Is it possible that there was no great influx of Eastern Europeans because word got back to them that there were people in UK who didn't go along with the metropolitan elite, wouldn't be voting for all the old failed orthodoxie,s and "better give it a year or two, towarzysz, see how it goes". No? Well think about it Southy. They sure as eggs weren't worried about TUSK when they decided not to come just yet.[/p][/quote]The UN don't have to be a country it is what it is and as more power than any single country, world agreements are made there World Treaties are signed there and to unsigned it or just plain ignore it, is a hell a lot harder than leaving the EU. As for never leave Southampton you can only wish to been to places where I have been, so stop that BS. There was no great influx of Eastern Europeans for one reason those that are here was here long ago way before any off the Eastern Europeans country's joined the EU. In truth most Eastern Europeans don't want to come here they don't have a lot in common with us, How long as it been now that Poland been in the EU and where was that mad rush of millions of Poles coming to this country, turn out to be another UKIP lie for you to buy into. southy
  • Score: 0

3:22pm Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

No. Unlike the EU there is a veto in the UN and if the motion was that UK be forced to continue admitting aliens all the other countries would veto because they don't want to admit aliens. either.
You may well have visited Moscow, Peking, Havana and Pyong Yang, if you say so, but please don't assume I'd wish to go near any of them except maybe in Enola Gay, 49 years ago
As to your second paragraph it's just factually incorrect and fair to say that even the Great Disaster 1997-2010 would have baulked at allowing in the ghastly creatures who've stripped half the electricity sub-stations in this country and "mugged" half the ATM's-had they had the wit to know how to stop them.
No. Unlike the EU there is a veto in the UN and if the motion was that UK be forced to continue admitting aliens all the other countries would veto because they don't want to admit aliens. either. You may well have visited Moscow, Peking, Havana and Pyong Yang, if you say so, but please don't assume I'd wish to go near any of them except maybe in Enola Gay, 49 years ago As to your second paragraph it's just factually incorrect and fair to say that even the Great Disaster 1997-2010 would have baulked at allowing in the ghastly creatures who've stripped half the electricity sub-stations in this country and "mugged" half the ATM's-had they had the wit to know how to stop them. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

3:29pm Mon 26 May 14

skeptik says...

Southy - your incoherent ill informed drivel is at least consistent - the UN charter :

http://www.yale.edu/
lawweb/avalon/un/unc
hart.htm
Southy - your incoherent ill informed drivel is at least consistent - the UN charter : http://www.yale.edu/ lawweb/avalon/un/unc hart.htm skeptik
  • Score: 1

4:56pm Mon 26 May 14

forest hump says...

thesouth wrote:
Ukip voters - closet racists who won't voice their opinions unless shielded by secret voting or behind a computer.
That's it. Keep playing the race card, it is a safe bet. But be very cautious!!! the cards will run out eventually and then look out. UKIP is not about race. It is about stopping all freeloaders that are in this country....Brits as well. Hopefully, the days of the lazy arsed, spongers of all denominations will end. I am sick and tired of health tourists and teenage mothers popping out kids every 5 minutes to claim a free home and continual meal ticket. The power needs to be restored to the honest, hard-working individuals who are the life support of this once great country. Don't tell me the EU with its human rights claptrap is good for us. Look no further than Switzerland and Norway.
[quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Ukip voters - closet racists who won't voice their opinions unless shielded by secret voting or behind a computer.[/p][/quote]That's it. Keep playing the race card, it is a safe bet. But be very cautious!!! the cards will run out eventually and then look out. UKIP is not about race. It is about stopping all freeloaders that are in this country....Brits as well. Hopefully, the days of the lazy arsed, spongers of all denominations will end. I am sick and tired of health tourists and teenage mothers popping out kids every 5 minutes to claim a free home and continual meal ticket. The power needs to be restored to the honest, hard-working individuals who are the life support of this once great country. Don't tell me the EU with its human rights claptrap is good for us. Look no further than Switzerland and Norway. forest hump
  • Score: -1

6:34pm Mon 26 May 14

bigfella777 says...

forest hump wrote:
thesouth wrote:
Ukip voters - closet racists who won't voice their opinions unless shielded by secret voting or behind a computer.
That's it. Keep playing the race card, it is a safe bet. But be very cautious!!! the cards will run out eventually and then look out. UKIP is not about race. It is about stopping all freeloaders that are in this country....Brits as well. Hopefully, the days of the lazy arsed, spongers of all denominations will end. I am sick and tired of health tourists and teenage mothers popping out kids every 5 minutes to claim a free home and continual meal ticket. The power needs to be restored to the honest, hard-working individuals who are the life support of this once great country. Don't tell me the EU with its human rights claptrap is good for us. Look no further than Switzerland and Norway.
The only lazy spongers here are the English
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thesouth[/bold] wrote: Ukip voters - closet racists who won't voice their opinions unless shielded by secret voting or behind a computer.[/p][/quote]That's it. Keep playing the race card, it is a safe bet. But be very cautious!!! the cards will run out eventually and then look out. UKIP is not about race. It is about stopping all freeloaders that are in this country....Brits as well. Hopefully, the days of the lazy arsed, spongers of all denominations will end. I am sick and tired of health tourists and teenage mothers popping out kids every 5 minutes to claim a free home and continual meal ticket. The power needs to be restored to the honest, hard-working individuals who are the life support of this once great country. Don't tell me the EU with its human rights claptrap is good for us. Look no further than Switzerland and Norway.[/p][/quote]The only lazy spongers here are the English bigfella777
  • Score: -1

7:12pm Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

"The only lazy spongers here are the English"
I take it you're not English. To what industrious nation do you belong and why do you send messages to English newspapers?
"The only lazy spongers here are the English" I take it you're not English. To what industrious nation do you belong and why do you send messages to English newspapers? Dai Rear
  • Score: 1

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