Southampton lecturer used dead relative's disabled badge

Sucha Singh.

Sucha Singh.

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A SOUTHAMPTON lecturer tried to obtain free parking by using a dead relative’s permit, a court heard.

But his deceit was uncovered by a patrolling traffic warden, the city magistrates were told.

Even then Sucha Singh kept up the pretence that his father-in-law was still alive when challenged by city council officials.

Singh, who teaches at the City College, had parked his mother’s black Ford Escort in a pay and display bay in St Mary Street, leaving his blue badge in the window.

However when enforcement officer Mark Humphries made a check through his hand-held computer, he discovered it had been cancelled because Ronald Gibson – to whom it had been issued – had died.

He also realised the Escort had been there for more than the permitted two hours and slapped a ticket on it.

Prosecutor Mary Kigonya said two city council officials went to his mother’s home in Northbrook Road to check if the car was there and displaying the badge.

Singh came out and produced the permit for inspection.

“He was then asked where the badge holder was and he told the officers he had just dropped him home.

“He was then cautioned and told they knew the badge holder was deceased.

“Mr Singh then admitted this was correct and surrendered the badge.”

In interview, Singh admitted he had parked in St Mary Street for four hours after dropping his mother off at his sister’s where he claimed there was no residential parking, and claimed he had accidentally put Mr Gibson’s badge on display, instead of his mother’s.

When questioned about the use of the badge in Northbrook Road, Singh said he thought he had parked the Escort in a disabled bay.

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His mother had been with him and he had put his father-in-law’s badge on display.

Singh, 54, of Burke Drive, Thornhill, admitted two charges of using an invalid permit, and was ordered to pay fines, costs and victim surcharge fee totalling £1,355.

In mitigation, Julie Macey said when the lecturer got the parking ticket, he thought he had parked the vehicle incorrectly: “He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s and paid the fine.”

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11:57am Tue 10 Jun 14

Woolston ollie says...

He didnt know he was doing wrong. The man should not be teaching if he is that stupid.
He didnt know he was doing wrong. The man should not be teaching if he is that stupid. Woolston ollie
  • Score: 29

12:03pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Tallship says...

As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong. Tallship
  • Score: 17

12:40pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Lockssmart says...

The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is.
The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is. Lockssmart
  • Score: -18

12:54pm Tue 10 Jun 14

townieboy says...

NO excuse for this. At the bottom of James street there are lots of free parking spaces, im often blocked in by all the free loaders who park there for nothing. Just plain lazy.
NO excuse for this. At the bottom of James street there are lots of free parking spaces, im often blocked in by all the free loaders who park there for nothing. Just plain lazy. townieboy
  • Score: 6

1:18pm Tue 10 Jun 14

sotonboy84 says...

Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
[quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else. sotonboy84
  • Score: 21

1:59pm Tue 10 Jun 14

BeyondImagination says...

Lockssmart wrote:
The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is.
What evidence do you have for this statement? This criminal was not the disabled person to whom it was issued but a non-disabled relative. More enforcement and heavy fines are needed to tackle the problem of blue badge abuse by people who are not disabled.
[quote][p][bold]Lockssmart[/bold] wrote: The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is.[/p][/quote]What evidence do you have for this statement? This criminal was not the disabled person to whom it was issued but a non-disabled relative. More enforcement and heavy fines are needed to tackle the problem of blue badge abuse by people who are not disabled. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 14

2:06pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Tallship says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
Sotonboy84 Read my comment again please. I clearly said it is NOT a permit to get free parking. A disabled bay may be convenient positioned but if I have to pay to park I will.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]Sotonboy84 Read my comment again please. I clearly said it is NOT a permit to get free parking. A disabled bay may be convenient positioned but if I have to pay to park I will. Tallship
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Tue 10 Jun 14

BeyondImagination says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it.

The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day.

Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it. The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day. Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 3

2:13pm Tue 10 Jun 14

BeyondImagination says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it.

The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day.

Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it. The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day. Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students. BeyondImagination
  • Score: -12

2:57pm Tue 10 Jun 14

elvisimo says...

just like those fat slugs who park in supermarket disabled bays so they can waddle in to buy their value lager and Berkeley Menthol cigarettes. Repulsive. p.s. he looks like a potential fattie - go and buy one of those mobility scooter.
just like those fat slugs who park in supermarket disabled bays so they can waddle in to buy their value lager and Berkeley Menthol cigarettes. Repulsive. p.s. he looks like a potential fattie - go and buy one of those mobility scooter. elvisimo
  • Score: 7

3:21pm Tue 10 Jun 14

townieboy says...

elvisimo wrote:
just like those fat slugs who park in supermarket disabled bays so they can waddle in to buy their value lager and Berkeley Menthol cigarettes. Repulsive. p.s. he looks like a potential fattie - go and buy one of those mobility scooter.
That is bad. I use the parent kid bays morally better.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: just like those fat slugs who park in supermarket disabled bays so they can waddle in to buy their value lager and Berkeley Menthol cigarettes. Repulsive. p.s. he looks like a potential fattie - go and buy one of those mobility scooter.[/p][/quote]That is bad. I use the parent kid bays morally better. townieboy
  • Score: 5

3:40pm Tue 10 Jun 14

scumpy29 says...

As bad as this is, it's surely not headline material
As bad as this is, it's surely not headline material scumpy29
  • Score: 14

3:55pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Thats why I do not use Taxis in Southampton!
Thats why I do not use Taxis in Southampton! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: -3

4:10pm Tue 10 Jun 14

elvisimo says...

townieboy wrote:
elvisimo wrote:
just like those fat slugs who park in supermarket disabled bays so they can waddle in to buy their value lager and Berkeley Menthol cigarettes. Repulsive. p.s. he looks like a potential fattie - go and buy one of those mobility scooter.
That is bad. I use the parent kid bays morally better.
fair enough - park over the line so get two spaces?
[quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: just like those fat slugs who park in supermarket disabled bays so they can waddle in to buy their value lager and Berkeley Menthol cigarettes. Repulsive. p.s. he looks like a potential fattie - go and buy one of those mobility scooter.[/p][/quote]That is bad. I use the parent kid bays morally better.[/p][/quote]fair enough - park over the line so get two spaces? elvisimo
  • Score: 5

5:20pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Mckinkle says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it.

The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day.

Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.
Very well said BeyondImagination.
Im fed up with the judgemental attitude displayed by society today, I would love to swap my disability for my Blue Badge on any day of the week and often wish I offered the swap to every idiot I see park in the disabled bays who do not belong there. Clearly they are only demonstrating their disability: their stupidity.
'Walk a mile in my shoes' before judging me.
Shame this lecturer thought he was too clever to have to follow the rules, glad he was caught and shamed. Despicable behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it. The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day. Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.[/p][/quote]Very well said BeyondImagination. Im fed up with the judgemental attitude displayed by society today, I would love to swap my disability for my Blue Badge on any day of the week and often wish I offered the swap to every idiot I see park in the disabled bays who do not belong there. Clearly they are only demonstrating their disability: their stupidity. 'Walk a mile in my shoes' before judging me. Shame this lecturer thought he was too clever to have to follow the rules, glad he was caught and shamed. Despicable behaviour. Mckinkle
  • Score: 0

6:20pm Tue 10 Jun 14

wwozzer says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it.

The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day.

Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.
If you couldn't get access to a shop or a public building you'd (quite rightly) be up in arms about it...... But it suits you just fine that some disabled people can't get access to a parking meter so you all get free parking!?

You should all be paying to park just like any able bodied person does. I take the point about disabled people need longer so I'd be happy to see a discount to allow for this.
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it. The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day. Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.[/p][/quote]If you couldn't get access to a shop or a public building you'd (quite rightly) be up in arms about it...... But it suits you just fine that some disabled people can't get access to a parking meter so you all get free parking!? You should all be paying to park just like any able bodied person does. I take the point about disabled people need longer so I'd be happy to see a discount to allow for this. wwozzer
  • Score: 1

7:34pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Huey says...

Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
My friend has a young daughter with mild cerebral palsy and they won't give her a badge, so I totally agree, why should others abuse?
[quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]My friend has a young daughter with mild cerebral palsy and they won't give her a badge, so I totally agree, why should others abuse? Huey
  • Score: 0

7:42pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Rockhopper says...

Southampton enforcement officers please start monitoring the on street parking spaces around the City Centre.
You will find many people parking between 7-9am and walking off to work whilst displaying a relatives disabled badge on their vehicle!
Southampton enforcement officers please start monitoring the on street parking spaces around the City Centre. You will find many people parking between 7-9am and walking off to work whilst displaying a relatives disabled badge on their vehicle! Rockhopper
  • Score: 2

7:43pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Mary80 says...

Despicable human being if the fat git had to live for a month with a disability he'd learn what a struggle we have.
Despicable human being if the fat git had to live for a month with a disability he'd learn what a struggle we have. Mary80
  • Score: -2

7:45pm Tue 10 Jun 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

Mary80 wrote:
Despicable human being if the fat git had to live for a month with a disability he'd learn what a struggle we have.
lots of saddos like to give disabled people greif.
[quote][p][bold]Mary80[/bold] wrote: Despicable human being if the fat git had to live for a month with a disability he'd learn what a struggle we have.[/p][/quote]lots of saddos like to give disabled people greif. SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: -1

7:51pm Tue 10 Jun 14

honour says...

the blue badge holders I know wear running shoes and are much faster on there feet than me the only time you see them with a walking stick is when they have to apply for a new badge
the blue badge holders I know wear running shoes and are much faster on there feet than me the only time you see them with a walking stick is when they have to apply for a new badge honour
  • Score: -3

8:09pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Down to Earth & Sensible says...

Lockssmart wrote:
The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is.
I totally agree with Lockssmart. It's about time the whole scheme of blue badges was scrapped permanently and secondly if they brought back the original 3 wheeler Invicar (They were light blue if anyone remembers?) then it would be interesting to see how many so called "disabled" people there are that would like to claim for a personal car paid for at Tax Payers expense. I know of a man that has bad Gout condition caused by excessive alcohol intake 24/7. This condition makes it very painful for him to walk and so they go an give him a car and a blue badge! He ended up getting arrested for drink-driving but because he was " Disabled" got a minimal fine and years to pay it. A forgone conclusion that was going to happen. The whole Blue Badge scheme is badly flawed. Bring back the 1970's and the Invicar!
[quote][p][bold]Lockssmart[/bold] wrote: The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with Lockssmart. It's about time the whole scheme of blue badges was scrapped permanently and secondly if they brought back the original 3 wheeler Invicar (They were light blue if anyone remembers?) then it would be interesting to see how many so called "disabled" people there are that would like to claim for a personal car paid for at Tax Payers expense. I know of a man that has bad Gout condition caused by excessive alcohol intake 24/7. This condition makes it very painful for him to walk and so they go an give him a car and a blue badge! He ended up getting arrested for drink-driving but because he was " Disabled" got a minimal fine and years to pay it. A forgone conclusion that was going to happen. The whole Blue Badge scheme is badly flawed. Bring back the 1970's and the Invicar! Down to Earth & Sensible
  • Score: -4

10:43pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Niel says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
Lockssmart wrote:
The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is.
What evidence do you have for this statement? This criminal was not the disabled person to whom it was issued but a non-disabled relative. More enforcement and heavy fines are needed to tackle the problem of blue badge abuse by people who are not disabled.
The councils don't hand them out like confetti, if your white, british, hetrosexual, christian, etc. However if your from a supported minority with advocates it's much easier to get one. The CAB warned me I was wasting my time, as the central admin officer had a list of 'prefered' characteristics and operated a policy of positive discrimination against white british applicants. The NHS say I'm disabled, the council effectively say I'm not...
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lockssmart[/bold] wrote: The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is.[/p][/quote]What evidence do you have for this statement? This criminal was not the disabled person to whom it was issued but a non-disabled relative. More enforcement and heavy fines are needed to tackle the problem of blue badge abuse by people who are not disabled.[/p][/quote]The councils don't hand them out like confetti, if your white, british, hetrosexual, christian, etc. However if your from a supported minority with advocates it's much easier to get one. The CAB warned me I was wasting my time, as the central admin officer had a list of 'prefered' characteristics and operated a policy of positive discrimination against white british applicants. The NHS say I'm disabled, the council effectively say I'm not... Niel
  • Score: -5

10:43pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Niel says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
Lockssmart wrote:
The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is.
What evidence do you have for this statement? This criminal was not the disabled person to whom it was issued but a non-disabled relative. More enforcement and heavy fines are needed to tackle the problem of blue badge abuse by people who are not disabled.
The councils don't hand them out like confetti, if your white, british, hetrosexual, christian, etc. However if your from a supported minority with advocates it's much easier to get one. The CAB warned me I was wasting my time, as the central admin officer had a list of 'prefered' characteristics and operated a policy of positive discrimination against white british applicants. The NHS say I'm disabled, the council effectively say I'm not...
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lockssmart[/bold] wrote: The Council hand out Blue Badges like confetti. They're to blame as much as he is.[/p][/quote]What evidence do you have for this statement? This criminal was not the disabled person to whom it was issued but a non-disabled relative. More enforcement and heavy fines are needed to tackle the problem of blue badge abuse by people who are not disabled.[/p][/quote]The councils don't hand them out like confetti, if your white, british, hetrosexual, christian, etc. However if your from a supported minority with advocates it's much easier to get one. The CAB warned me I was wasting my time, as the central admin officer had a list of 'prefered' characteristics and operated a policy of positive discrimination against white british applicants. The NHS say I'm disabled, the council effectively say I'm not... Niel
  • Score: -5

1:12am Wed 11 Jun 14

BeyondImagination says...

wwozzer wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it.

The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day.

Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.
If you couldn't get access to a shop or a public building you'd (quite rightly) be up in arms about it...... But it suits you just fine that some disabled people can't get access to a parking meter so you all get free parking!?

You should all be paying to park just like any able bodied person does. I take the point about disabled people need longer so I'd be happy to see a discount to allow for this.
What do you mean by getting access to a shop or a public building? Getting to the front door? That's not straightforward. Getting around inside with aisles cluttered with displays and mobile baskets, that's a whole different story.

You may be able to get into a pub or restaurant but is there an accessible toilet and can you get to it? 10% of the time you can. No loo is fine for those who wear incontinence pads. Everyone else needs detailed planning to find somewhere to go, or more likely find it too hard and stay at home.

Look around at parking pay machines. Can you get to ALL of them in a wheelchair? Do you have to climb a step or squeeze between parked cars? Can you reach them from a wheelchair? Can you put coins in them with no hands? (Yes, you can drive a car with no hands.) Is there something to hold on to while putting the money in? Can you do this in every car park? The simple answer is no, at least not at this time and the cost of making machines accessible is usually uneconomic.. It is not acceptable to exclude some disabled people because the machines cannot cope with their disability.

Life is not black and white for anyone. Add disability and the problems multiply.

I'm looking forward to lots of negative votes on this which would be the biggest indication of the lack of awareness of those who are temporarily not disabled. Unless you are very lucky, your day will come.
[quote][p][bold]wwozzer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it. The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day. Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.[/p][/quote]If you couldn't get access to a shop or a public building you'd (quite rightly) be up in arms about it...... But it suits you just fine that some disabled people can't get access to a parking meter so you all get free parking!? You should all be paying to park just like any able bodied person does. I take the point about disabled people need longer so I'd be happy to see a discount to allow for this.[/p][/quote]What do you mean by getting access to a shop or a public building? Getting to the front door? That's not straightforward. Getting around inside with aisles cluttered with displays and mobile baskets, that's a whole different story. You may be able to get into a pub or restaurant but is there an accessible toilet and can you get to it? 10% of the time you can. No loo is fine for those who wear incontinence pads. Everyone else needs detailed planning to find somewhere to go, or more likely find it too hard and stay at home. Look around at parking pay machines. Can you get to ALL of them in a wheelchair? Do you have to climb a step or squeeze between parked cars? Can you reach them from a wheelchair? Can you put coins in them with no hands? (Yes, you can drive a car with no hands.) Is there something to hold on to while putting the money in? Can you do this in every car park? The simple answer is no, at least not at this time and the cost of making machines accessible is usually uneconomic.. It is not acceptable to exclude some disabled people because the machines cannot cope with their disability. Life is not black and white for anyone. Add disability and the problems multiply. I'm looking forward to lots of negative votes on this which would be the biggest indication of the lack of awareness of those who are temporarily not disabled. Unless you are very lucky, your day will come. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 5

1:19am Wed 11 Jun 14

BeyondImagination says...

honour wrote:
the blue badge holders I know wear running shoes and are much faster on there feet than me the only time you see them with a walking stick is when they have to apply for a new badge
Time you got fit then honour. When did you last look in a mirror?
[quote][p][bold]honour[/bold] wrote: the blue badge holders I know wear running shoes and are much faster on there feet than me the only time you see them with a walking stick is when they have to apply for a new badge[/p][/quote]Time you got fit then honour. When did you last look in a mirror? BeyondImagination
  • Score: 3

1:38am Wed 11 Jun 14

Mary80 says...

Really annoys me when i see able bodied people using disabled spaces because they're too friggin lazy to walk a whole 20 feet, i'd rather walk 60 feet than take a space not designated for me
Really annoys me when i see able bodied people using disabled spaces because they're too friggin lazy to walk a whole 20 feet, i'd rather walk 60 feet than take a space not designated for me Mary80
  • Score: 2

6:15am Wed 11 Jun 14

Juliek1958 says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it.

The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day.

Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.
Let me get my five pence worth...... Disabled people, of which I'm one albeit of the mind, have petitioned over the years, to be treated like non disabled persons, fairly! Most disabled people don't mind having to pay for parking , they are being treated the same as everyone else by having to do so, it is NOT discrimination otherwise certain laws would come into play. The majority of Blue Badge holders are just grateful that
life is a little bit easier by being able to park nearer to the shops etc for which they are grateful.
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it. The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day. Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.[/p][/quote]Let me get my five pence worth...... Disabled people, of which I'm one albeit of the mind, have petitioned over the years, to be treated like non disabled persons, fairly! Most disabled people don't mind having to pay for parking , they are being treated the same as everyone else by having to do so, it is NOT discrimination otherwise certain laws would come into play. The majority of Blue Badge holders are just grateful that life is a little bit easier by being able to park nearer to the shops etc for which they are grateful. Juliek1958
  • Score: 7

8:53am Wed 11 Jun 14

townieboy says...

elvisimo wrote:
townieboy wrote:
elvisimo wrote: just like those fat slugs who park in supermarket disabled bays so they can waddle in to buy their value lager and Berkeley Menthol cigarettes. Repulsive. p.s. he looks like a potential fattie - go and buy one of those mobility scooter.
That is bad. I use the parent kid bays morally better.
fair enough - park over the line so get two spaces?
NOWAY........like to be parked in between the lines.........not like normal parent toddler parking. Anothr point stops my car being damaged by other car doors but runs the risk of women just pushing there trolleys into it...oh well.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]townieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: just like those fat slugs who park in supermarket disabled bays so they can waddle in to buy their value lager and Berkeley Menthol cigarettes. Repulsive. p.s. he looks like a potential fattie - go and buy one of those mobility scooter.[/p][/quote]That is bad. I use the parent kid bays morally better.[/p][/quote]fair enough - park over the line so get two spaces?[/p][/quote]NOWAY........like to be parked in between the lines.........not like normal parent toddler parking. Anothr point stops my car being damaged by other car doors but runs the risk of women just pushing there trolleys into it...oh well. townieboy
  • Score: -1

1:30pm Wed 11 Jun 14

BeyondImagination says...

Juliek1958 wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it.

The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day.

Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.
Let me get my five pence worth...... Disabled people, of which I'm one albeit of the mind, have petitioned over the years, to be treated like non disabled persons, fairly! Most disabled people don't mind having to pay for parking , they are being treated the same as everyone else by having to do so, it is NOT discrimination otherwise certain laws would come into play. The majority of Blue Badge holders are just grateful that
life is a little bit easier by being able to park nearer to the shops etc for which they are grateful.
The myth of disabled people being fairly treated by having to pay the same as everyone else is one that was peddled by Southampton hospitals to charge disabled people to park.

Parking charges have been used to ration car use and persuade people to use alternative transport such as walking, cycling, buses and trains. That's fine if you have that choice but many people don't. They have to use their cars, and then they have limited parking opportunities because often they need wider spaces to be able to fully open car doors or rear wheelchair access which excludes most on street parking.

Yes, I too believe in fair treatment and being able to park free of charge goes some way to compensate for the lack of alternatives in this world created for non-disabled people. Yes, legislation has helped but due to recent changes in the law it is now toothless. An individual who is discriminated against has to take action in the civil courts, risking incurring costs if they lose and even being out of pocket if they win.

I applaud disabled people who voluntarily pay to park because it makes them feel more equal but nobody should under estimate the significance of free parking for those blue badge holders who would otherwise be unable to get out.

The whole issue of free parking for blue badge holders is only a problem because it is abused by people who are not disabled and not properly enforced by people who are not disabled.

I have just read an article about a similar blue badge fraudster who was caught using his wife's blue badge in Portsmouth. He has been banned from driving for a year. Spot on Portsmouth.
[quote][p][bold]Juliek1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it. The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day. Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.[/p][/quote]Let me get my five pence worth...... Disabled people, of which I'm one albeit of the mind, have petitioned over the years, to be treated like non disabled persons, fairly! Most disabled people don't mind having to pay for parking , they are being treated the same as everyone else by having to do so, it is NOT discrimination otherwise certain laws would come into play. The majority of Blue Badge holders are just grateful that life is a little bit easier by being able to park nearer to the shops etc for which they are grateful.[/p][/quote]The myth of disabled people being fairly treated by having to pay the same as everyone else is one that was peddled by Southampton hospitals to charge disabled people to park. Parking charges have been used to ration car use and persuade people to use alternative transport such as walking, cycling, buses and trains. That's fine if you have that choice but many people don't. They have to use their cars, and then they have limited parking opportunities because often they need wider spaces to be able to fully open car doors or rear wheelchair access which excludes most on street parking. Yes, I too believe in fair treatment and being able to park free of charge goes some way to compensate for the lack of alternatives in this world created for non-disabled people. Yes, legislation has helped but due to recent changes in the law it is now toothless. An individual who is discriminated against has to take action in the civil courts, risking incurring costs if they lose and even being out of pocket if they win. I applaud disabled people who voluntarily pay to park because it makes them feel more equal but nobody should under estimate the significance of free parking for those blue badge holders who would otherwise be unable to get out. The whole issue of free parking for blue badge holders is only a problem because it is abused by people who are not disabled and not properly enforced by people who are not disabled. I have just read an article about a similar blue badge fraudster who was caught using his wife's blue badge in Portsmouth. He has been banned from driving for a year. Spot on Portsmouth. BeyondImagination
  • Score: 3

3:43pm Wed 11 Jun 14

andysaints007 says...

BeyondImagination wrote:
Juliek1958 wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it.

The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day.

Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.
Let me get my five pence worth...... Disabled people, of which I'm one albeit of the mind, have petitioned over the years, to be treated like non disabled persons, fairly! Most disabled people don't mind having to pay for parking , they are being treated the same as everyone else by having to do so, it is NOT discrimination otherwise certain laws would come into play. The majority of Blue Badge holders are just grateful that
life is a little bit easier by being able to park nearer to the shops etc for which they are grateful.
The myth of disabled people being fairly treated by having to pay the same as everyone else is one that was peddled by Southampton hospitals to charge disabled people to park.

Parking charges have been used to ration car use and persuade people to use alternative transport such as walking, cycling, buses and trains. That's fine if you have that choice but many people don't. They have to use their cars, and then they have limited parking opportunities because often they need wider spaces to be able to fully open car doors or rear wheelchair access which excludes most on street parking.

Yes, I too believe in fair treatment and being able to park free of charge goes some way to compensate for the lack of alternatives in this world created for non-disabled people. Yes, legislation has helped but due to recent changes in the law it is now toothless. An individual who is discriminated against has to take action in the civil courts, risking incurring costs if they lose and even being out of pocket if they win.

I applaud disabled people who voluntarily pay to park because it makes them feel more equal but nobody should under estimate the significance of free parking for those blue badge holders who would otherwise be unable to get out.

The whole issue of free parking for blue badge holders is only a problem because it is abused by people who are not disabled and not properly enforced by people who are not disabled.

I have just read an article about a similar blue badge fraudster who was caught using his wife's blue badge in Portsmouth. He has been banned from driving for a year. Spot on Portsmouth.
If I pay to park and you don't, then I am being discriminated against!
Disability does not equal poverty!
[quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Juliek1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it. The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day. Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.[/p][/quote]Let me get my five pence worth...... Disabled people, of which I'm one albeit of the mind, have petitioned over the years, to be treated like non disabled persons, fairly! Most disabled people don't mind having to pay for parking , they are being treated the same as everyone else by having to do so, it is NOT discrimination otherwise certain laws would come into play. The majority of Blue Badge holders are just grateful that life is a little bit easier by being able to park nearer to the shops etc for which they are grateful.[/p][/quote]The myth of disabled people being fairly treated by having to pay the same as everyone else is one that was peddled by Southampton hospitals to charge disabled people to park. Parking charges have been used to ration car use and persuade people to use alternative transport such as walking, cycling, buses and trains. That's fine if you have that choice but many people don't. They have to use their cars, and then they have limited parking opportunities because often they need wider spaces to be able to fully open car doors or rear wheelchair access which excludes most on street parking. Yes, I too believe in fair treatment and being able to park free of charge goes some way to compensate for the lack of alternatives in this world created for non-disabled people. Yes, legislation has helped but due to recent changes in the law it is now toothless. An individual who is discriminated against has to take action in the civil courts, risking incurring costs if they lose and even being out of pocket if they win. I applaud disabled people who voluntarily pay to park because it makes them feel more equal but nobody should under estimate the significance of free parking for those blue badge holders who would otherwise be unable to get out. The whole issue of free parking for blue badge holders is only a problem because it is abused by people who are not disabled and not properly enforced by people who are not disabled. I have just read an article about a similar blue badge fraudster who was caught using his wife's blue badge in Portsmouth. He has been banned from driving for a year. Spot on Portsmouth.[/p][/quote]If I pay to park and you don't, then I am being discriminated against! Disability does not equal poverty! andysaints007
  • Score: 0

4:00pm Wed 11 Jun 14

BeyondImagination says...

andysaints007 wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
Juliek1958 wrote:
BeyondImagination wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Tallship wrote:
As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking.

To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.
I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc.

I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.
What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it.

The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day.

Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.
Let me get my five pence worth...... Disabled people, of which I'm one albeit of the mind, have petitioned over the years, to be treated like non disabled persons, fairly! Most disabled people don't mind having to pay for parking , they are being treated the same as everyone else by having to do so, it is NOT discrimination otherwise certain laws would come into play. The majority of Blue Badge holders are just grateful that
life is a little bit easier by being able to park nearer to the shops etc for which they are grateful.
The myth of disabled people being fairly treated by having to pay the same as everyone else is one that was peddled by Southampton hospitals to charge disabled people to park.

Parking charges have been used to ration car use and persuade people to use alternative transport such as walking, cycling, buses and trains. That's fine if you have that choice but many people don't. They have to use their cars, and then they have limited parking opportunities because often they need wider spaces to be able to fully open car doors or rear wheelchair access which excludes most on street parking.

Yes, I too believe in fair treatment and being able to park free of charge goes some way to compensate for the lack of alternatives in this world created for non-disabled people. Yes, legislation has helped but due to recent changes in the law it is now toothless. An individual who is discriminated against has to take action in the civil courts, risking incurring costs if they lose and even being out of pocket if they win.

I applaud disabled people who voluntarily pay to park because it makes them feel more equal but nobody should under estimate the significance of free parking for those blue badge holders who would otherwise be unable to get out.

The whole issue of free parking for blue badge holders is only a problem because it is abused by people who are not disabled and not properly enforced by people who are not disabled.

I have just read an article about a similar blue badge fraudster who was caught using his wife's blue badge in Portsmouth. He has been banned from driving for a year. Spot on Portsmouth.
If I pay to park and you don't, then I am being discriminated against!
Disability does not equal poverty!
No. You have made the choice to use your car instead of take a bus, cycle or walk. A choice not available to disabled people. It is not about poverty. Discrimination is leaving someone disadvantaged compared to someone else who does not have a disability.

It is not against the law to discriminate against someone because of a lack of disability. All the people who defraud councils by abusing the blue badge scheme do not qualify for a badge because they do not have a disability that limits their mobility.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Juliek1958[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BeyondImagination[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tallship[/bold] wrote: As a disabled person I have a Blue Badge. I am amazed at the level of abuse of the badge. As those who use the badge correctly know it is so disabled people can park conveniently and is NOT a permit for free parking. To use 'He had not realised he had used his father-in-law’s badge' is not a mitigating circumstance, it's a blatant admission that he knew what he was doing was wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree, the purpose is for disabled people to park conviently so there are spaces reserved for blue badge holders. Some disabled people rely on cars and need to be close to the entrance to shops etc. I do however not aggree that blue badge holders get free parking. They should have to pay for parking their cars just like anybody else.[/p][/quote]What knowledge of disability do you have to believe charging blue badge holders the same to park as everyone else. New Forest District Council were going to charge. It found it would cost £400,000 to convert meters so disabled people could have access to them to pay. It accepted disabled people need more time to carry out day to day tasks so charging disabled people the same to park is discrimination. This reduces any potential income. It then discovered the charge would be illegal because it would increase congestion rather than reduce it. The problem is not the disabled people but the criminal non-disabled abusers and the people who do not begin to understand the real difficulties faced by disabled people every day. Well done to the traffic warden who nabbed this despicable creep. What an example he sets his students.[/p][/quote]Let me get my five pence worth...... Disabled people, of which I'm one albeit of the mind, have petitioned over the years, to be treated like non disabled persons, fairly! Most disabled people don't mind having to pay for parking , they are being treated the same as everyone else by having to do so, it is NOT discrimination otherwise certain laws would come into play. The majority of Blue Badge holders are just grateful that life is a little bit easier by being able to park nearer to the shops etc for which they are grateful.[/p][/quote]The myth of disabled people being fairly treated by having to pay the same as everyone else is one that was peddled by Southampton hospitals to charge disabled people to park. Parking charges have been used to ration car use and persuade people to use alternative transport such as walking, cycling, buses and trains. That's fine if you have that choice but many people don't. They have to use their cars, and then they have limited parking opportunities because often they need wider spaces to be able to fully open car doors or rear wheelchair access which excludes most on street parking. Yes, I too believe in fair treatment and being able to park free of charge goes some way to compensate for the lack of alternatives in this world created for non-disabled people. Yes, legislation has helped but due to recent changes in the law it is now toothless. An individual who is discriminated against has to take action in the civil courts, risking incurring costs if they lose and even being out of pocket if they win. I applaud disabled people who voluntarily pay to park because it makes them feel more equal but nobody should under estimate the significance of free parking for those blue badge holders who would otherwise be unable to get out. The whole issue of free parking for blue badge holders is only a problem because it is abused by people who are not disabled and not properly enforced by people who are not disabled. I have just read an article about a similar blue badge fraudster who was caught using his wife's blue badge in Portsmouth. He has been banned from driving for a year. Spot on Portsmouth.[/p][/quote]If I pay to park and you don't, then I am being discriminated against! Disability does not equal poverty![/p][/quote]No. You have made the choice to use your car instead of take a bus, cycle or walk. A choice not available to disabled people. It is not about poverty. Discrimination is leaving someone disadvantaged compared to someone else who does not have a disability. It is not against the law to discriminate against someone because of a lack of disability. All the people who defraud councils by abusing the blue badge scheme do not qualify for a badge because they do not have a disability that limits their mobility. BeyondImagination
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