Safety campaigners bid to slash motorcycle deaths in Hampshire

Daily Echo: Campaign launched after seven bikers die in just 19 days Campaign launched after seven bikers die in just 19 days

MOTORISTS and bikers are urged to look out for each other this month after seven motorcyclists died on Hampshire roads in the same period last year.

Between July 2 and 21 last year there were seven motorcycle fatalities out of the 11 related deaths in the county for the whole of 2013.

Now Hampshire County Council is stepping up its biker awareness campaign by placing “Think Bike” and “Bikers Think!” posters up on key routes.

Motorcyclists are also being reminded to be aware of other drivers' motoring behaviour while out on the road and to give themselves time to react.

Cllr Seán Woodward, executive member for economy, environment and transport at the council, said: “Sadly last year there were 11 motorcycle deaths on the county's roads.

“We want to help prevent further accidents by increasing safety awareness amongst riders and car drivers.

“Many riders are injured at junctions when vehicles pull out, others crash as a result of entering a bend too fast.

“Our message to drivers is 'think bike' and always take longer to look for motorcyclists especially at junctions and when overtaking, give a second glance to really check it's safe to manoeuvre as they could be hidden in your blind spot.”

Sgt Rob Heard the Road Safety Sergeant for Hampshire Constabulary added: “We are still having too many motorcyclists killed and seriously injured on our roads, some of these are due to motorists not seeing approaching motorcycles and others are to do with the actions of the motorcyclist themselves.

“We are really keen to remind motorists to make sure they look carefully when pulling out from junctions or when they are approaching a junction to look out for a motorcyclist pulling out as well.

“Motorcyclists need to make sure they are as visible as possible, by wearing suitable clothing, riding with your headlight on or just riding in the best position to be seen.”

Hampshire Constabulary runs regular BikeSafe workshops for motorcyclists. For more information, visit bikesafe.co.uk

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6:47am Mon 14 Jul 14

ian t says...

as a motorcyclist and car driver i notice a lot of people approaching junctions and roundabouts without even glancing let alone turning there heads to look right , no amount of fancy clothing or lights is going to make me be seen if the idiots dont look, maybe if the person responsible was removed from our roads afterwards for good this might help solve the problem instead of trying to make the motorcyclist responsible for someone else,s actions
as a motorcyclist and car driver i notice a lot of people approaching junctions and roundabouts without even glancing let alone turning there heads to look right , no amount of fancy clothing or lights is going to make me be seen if the idiots dont look, maybe if the person responsible was removed from our roads afterwards for good this might help solve the problem instead of trying to make the motorcyclist responsible for someone else,s actions ian t
  • Score: 32

6:59am Mon 14 Jul 14

Crazywolf says...

Whist a considerable number of accidents are of the SMIDSY (Sorry Mate I Didn't See You) type, on some roads (A272, A32 in particular) the speed of SOME of the motorbikes is simply frightening. These riders have to take some responsibility for not being seen, they just come up so very quickly.

I was always taught to ride defensively, to make sure that I could see the driver in his mirrors (and therefore he could see me) and to expect car and lorry drivers to make stupid manouvres, probably without looking properly or signalling.
Whist a considerable number of accidents are of the SMIDSY (Sorry Mate I Didn't See You) type, on some roads (A272, A32 in particular) the speed of SOME of the motorbikes is simply frightening. These riders have to take some responsibility for not being seen, they just come up so very quickly. I was always taught to ride defensively, to make sure that I could see the driver in his mirrors (and therefore he could see me) and to expect car and lorry drivers to make stupid manouvres, probably without looking properly or signalling. Crazywolf
  • Score: 41

7:29am Mon 14 Jul 14

tootle says...

All road users need to THINK about what other road users are doing or likely to do. None of us are perfect. A campaign to persuade all 2 wheel users that they(ie all of them) need to take personal responsibility for their safety on the roads is long overdue. Driving mostly in traffic I find pedal bikes an issue not motorbikes. however on faster roads...............
....... This is not to exonerate the car/lorry drivers who also need to be aware of what and where another road user might be doing - such as the U turn on a 50 mph road with a lot of traffic on last Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all need to be more aware.
All road users need to THINK about what other road users are doing or likely to do. None of us are perfect. A campaign to persuade all 2 wheel users that they(ie all of them) need to take personal responsibility for their safety on the roads is long overdue. Driving mostly in traffic I find pedal bikes an issue not motorbikes. however on faster roads............... ....... This is not to exonerate the car/lorry drivers who also need to be aware of what and where another road user might be doing - such as the U turn on a 50 mph road with a lot of traffic on last Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all need to be more aware. tootle
  • Score: 12

8:40am Mon 14 Jul 14

Maine Lobster says...

Crazywolf wrote:
Whist a considerable number of accidents are of the SMIDSY (Sorry Mate I Didn't See You) type, on some roads (A272, A32 in particular) the speed of SOME of the motorbikes is simply frightening. These riders have to take some responsibility for not being seen, they just come up so very quickly.

I was always taught to ride defensively, to make sure that I could see the driver in his mirrors (and therefore he could see me) and to expect car and lorry drivers to make stupid manouvres, probably without looking properly or signalling.
Totally agree. There has to be a link between the rise in road deaths for motorcyclists in July. It has to be better weather and the temptation for motorcyclists to open up their machines in good driving conditions. Whilst drivers can be responsible for failing to be observant enough, it would be more likely that winter months with wetter and darker conditions should be riskier times for motorcyclists. This statistic bucks that trend and suggests the better weather is a contributing factor. Many motorcyclists are careful and observant riders but some are just dangerous.
[quote][p][bold]Crazywolf[/bold] wrote: Whist a considerable number of accidents are of the SMIDSY (Sorry Mate I Didn't See You) type, on some roads (A272, A32 in particular) the speed of SOME of the motorbikes is simply frightening. These riders have to take some responsibility for not being seen, they just come up so very quickly. I was always taught to ride defensively, to make sure that I could see the driver in his mirrors (and therefore he could see me) and to expect car and lorry drivers to make stupid manouvres, probably without looking properly or signalling.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. There has to be a link between the rise in road deaths for motorcyclists in July. It has to be better weather and the temptation for motorcyclists to open up their machines in good driving conditions. Whilst drivers can be responsible for failing to be observant enough, it would be more likely that winter months with wetter and darker conditions should be riskier times for motorcyclists. This statistic bucks that trend and suggests the better weather is a contributing factor. Many motorcyclists are careful and observant riders but some are just dangerous. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 15

9:56am Mon 14 Jul 14

steekeemcglue says...

there are more dangerous drivers as % that dangerous riders... In my experience about 20% of car drivers are unfit to drive carefully and about 10% of riders....
there are more dangerous drivers as % that dangerous riders... In my experience about 20% of car drivers are unfit to drive carefully and about 10% of riders.... steekeemcglue
  • Score: -3

10:48am Mon 14 Jul 14

acid drop says...

I've been a biker for over 40 years and ride all year round to keep my hand in. The problem is we have a lot of dry weather bikers who only venture out when there is no chance of getting wet and a lot that lay their bikes up during the winter and then come the spring they dust off their power ranger suits climb on their bikes and think they are riding gods when the are out of practice , Nuff said.
I've been a biker for over 40 years and ride all year round to keep my hand in. The problem is we have a lot of dry weather bikers who only venture out when there is no chance of getting wet and a lot that lay their bikes up during the winter and then come the spring they dust off their power ranger suits climb on their bikes and think they are riding gods when the are out of practice , Nuff said. acid drop
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11:09am Mon 14 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

steekeemcglue wrote:
there are more dangerous drivers as % that dangerous riders... In my experience about 20% of car drivers are unfit to drive carefully and about 10% of riders....
The figures available from Motorcycle.co.uk show that bikes account for 2.6% of all vehicles on the road which seems to show that you are either totally biased against car drivers, you aren't aware of this number and have failed to take it in to account or you don't really have a lot of experience on the road.
[quote][p][bold]steekeemcglue[/bold] wrote: there are more dangerous drivers as % that dangerous riders... In my experience about 20% of car drivers are unfit to drive carefully and about 10% of riders....[/p][/quote]The figures available from Motorcycle.co.uk show that bikes account for 2.6% of all vehicles on the road which seems to show that you are either totally biased against car drivers, you aren't aware of this number and have failed to take it in to account or you don't really have a lot of experience on the road. Torchie1
  • Score: 2

11:27am Mon 14 Jul 14

Niel says...

As a year round biker I see enough of those safely ensconced in the safety cages eating, texting, watching TV, using lap-tops and generally treating their car as an extension of their living room. The number of drivers now holding their mobile phones in odd ways to try and appear not to be using a mobile illegally has increased.
It seems a lot of women drivers hold their phones on their laps whilst texting and twattering about being slightly delayed, so as not to visible to other drivers, but the constantly dippy head as they look down and the higher view point on a bike gives the game away. One might hope the new unmarked ZZR1400 video bikes will be put to good use and prosecutions for such mobile use will increase.
Of course the other use will be to pursue the crutchrocketeers who believe the road is a race track, though it's often safer to set up a 'point-to-point' average speed check, as seen on the A272/A32.

One thing that would help, a lot, is the effective prosecution and sentencing of drivers who kill or injure, along with equanimity of sentencing for speeding, bikers in court often get disproportionate fines and bans compared with car drivers doing the same speed in similar conditions. From this one can only surmise the 'establishment' still fears bikers and their sense of freedom, as they embody a lost ability to think freely, something the controlled and control freak sheeple wish not to understand, or allow.
As a year round biker I see enough of those safely ensconced in the safety cages eating, texting, watching TV, using lap-tops and generally treating their car as an extension of their living room. The number of drivers now holding their mobile phones in odd ways to try and appear not to be using a mobile illegally has increased. It seems a lot of women drivers hold their phones on their laps whilst texting and twattering about being slightly delayed, so as not to visible to other drivers, but the constantly dippy head as they look down and the higher view point on a bike gives the game away. One might hope the new unmarked ZZR1400 video bikes will be put to good use and prosecutions for such mobile use will increase. Of course the other use will be to pursue the crutchrocketeers who believe the road is a race track, though it's often safer to set up a 'point-to-point' average speed check, as seen on the A272/A32. One thing that would help, a lot, is the effective prosecution and sentencing of drivers who kill or injure, along with equanimity of sentencing for speeding, bikers in court often get disproportionate fines and bans compared with car drivers doing the same speed in similar conditions. From this one can only surmise the 'establishment' still fears bikers and their sense of freedom, as they embody a lost ability to think freely, something the controlled and control freak sheeple wish not to understand, or allow. Niel
  • Score: 9

12:05pm Mon 14 Jul 14

forest hump says...

A couple of years' back, the A-326 had speed restrictions applied due to a spate of motorcycle accidents. Now, while motorists crawl along, motorcycles (not all before the whiners pitch in) continue to roar past with no respect. It is not always about the motorist looking out. Also, it is way past time to make A-326 a dual c. Sheer volume of traffic is overloading one of the busiest roads in the County. Daily commuters must despair.
A couple of years' back, the A-326 had speed restrictions applied due to a spate of motorcycle accidents. Now, while motorists crawl along, motorcycles (not all before the whiners pitch in) continue to roar past with no respect. It is not always about the motorist looking out. Also, it is way past time to make A-326 a dual c. Sheer volume of traffic is overloading one of the busiest roads in the County. Daily commuters must despair. forest hump
  • Score: 7

3:40pm Mon 14 Jul 14

davefrench says...

forest hump wrote:
A couple of years' back, the A-326 had speed restrictions applied due to a spate of motorcycle accidents. Now, while motorists crawl along, motorcycles (not all before the whiners pitch in) continue to roar past with no respect. It is not always about the motorist looking out. Also, it is way past time to make A-326 a dual c. Sheer volume of traffic is overloading one of the busiest roads in the County. Daily commuters must despair.
I ride this road twice daily and have done for over 20 years.
There were two fatal accidents in question - one was caused by an elderly driver doing a very badly judged u-turn, the other was a right-of-way violation (pulled out in front). Neither of these were speed related but the standard of the authorities is to drop the speed limit so they can say 'there you are we have done something', despite it being the wrong thing and unrelated to the main problem which is the poor standard of driving and total lack of supervision on the road.
What we need is regular police patrols pulling road users driving (or riding) badly over and encouraging them to do it better and treat this not brilliant road with the respect it deserves.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: A couple of years' back, the A-326 had speed restrictions applied due to a spate of motorcycle accidents. Now, while motorists crawl along, motorcycles (not all before the whiners pitch in) continue to roar past with no respect. It is not always about the motorist looking out. Also, it is way past time to make A-326 a dual c. Sheer volume of traffic is overloading one of the busiest roads in the County. Daily commuters must despair.[/p][/quote]I ride this road twice daily and have done for over 20 years. There were two fatal accidents in question - one was caused by an elderly driver doing a very badly judged u-turn, the other was a right-of-way violation (pulled out in front). Neither of these were speed related but the standard of the authorities is to drop the speed limit so they can say 'there you are we have done something', despite it being the wrong thing and unrelated to the main problem which is the poor standard of driving and total lack of supervision on the road. What we need is regular police patrols pulling road users driving (or riding) badly over and encouraging them to do it better and treat this not brilliant road with the respect it deserves. davefrench
  • Score: 8

4:51pm Mon 14 Jul 14

forest hump says...

davefrench wrote:
forest hump wrote:
A couple of years' back, the A-326 had speed restrictions applied due to a spate of motorcycle accidents. Now, while motorists crawl along, motorcycles (not all before the whiners pitch in) continue to roar past with no respect. It is not always about the motorist looking out. Also, it is way past time to make A-326 a dual c. Sheer volume of traffic is overloading one of the busiest roads in the County. Daily commuters must despair.
I ride this road twice daily and have done for over 20 years.
There were two fatal accidents in question - one was caused by an elderly driver doing a very badly judged u-turn, the other was a right-of-way violation (pulled out in front). Neither of these were speed related but the standard of the authorities is to drop the speed limit so they can say 'there you are we have done something', despite it being the wrong thing and unrelated to the main problem which is the poor standard of driving and total lack of supervision on the road.
What we need is regular police patrols pulling road users driving (or riding) badly over and encouraging them to do it better and treat this not brilliant road with the respect it deserves.
Agree with your comments. When I used the term spate it was directed at all accidents involving motorcycles and over the preceding years, there have been many more. I still maintain that the solution is for the road to be made into a dual carriageway from Hardley roundabout right to the M-27. Historically we have seen nonsensical attempts at improving the stretch with no significant improvements.
[quote][p][bold]davefrench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: A couple of years' back, the A-326 had speed restrictions applied due to a spate of motorcycle accidents. Now, while motorists crawl along, motorcycles (not all before the whiners pitch in) continue to roar past with no respect. It is not always about the motorist looking out. Also, it is way past time to make A-326 a dual c. Sheer volume of traffic is overloading one of the busiest roads in the County. Daily commuters must despair.[/p][/quote]I ride this road twice daily and have done for over 20 years. There were two fatal accidents in question - one was caused by an elderly driver doing a very badly judged u-turn, the other was a right-of-way violation (pulled out in front). Neither of these were speed related but the standard of the authorities is to drop the speed limit so they can say 'there you are we have done something', despite it being the wrong thing and unrelated to the main problem which is the poor standard of driving and total lack of supervision on the road. What we need is regular police patrols pulling road users driving (or riding) badly over and encouraging them to do it better and treat this not brilliant road with the respect it deserves.[/p][/quote]Agree with your comments. When I used the term spate it was directed at all accidents involving motorcycles and over the preceding years, there have been many more. I still maintain that the solution is for the road to be made into a dual carriageway from Hardley roundabout right to the M-27. Historically we have seen nonsensical attempts at improving the stretch with no significant improvements. forest hump
  • Score: 2

7:03pm Mon 14 Jul 14

mJw1967 says...

I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.
I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently. mJw1967
  • Score: 5

7:21pm Mon 14 Jul 14

forest hump says...

mJw1967 wrote:
I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.
I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there
[quote][p][bold]mJw1967[/bold] wrote: I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there forest hump
  • Score: -2

7:44pm Mon 14 Jul 14

JonMAG says...

There's no such thing as "SMIDSY" - Only drivers who don't look out for bikes then trot out his old chestnut as a way of transferring blame to the victim of their impatience. Look properly. Save a life. No excuse.
There's no such thing as "SMIDSY" - Only drivers who don't look out for bikes then trot out his old chestnut as a way of transferring blame to the victim of their impatience. Look properly. Save a life. No excuse. JonMAG
  • Score: 19

8:05pm Mon 14 Jul 14

JonMAG says...

forest hump wrote:
mJw1967 wrote:
I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.
I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there
"Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al." Please provide statistics to support your claim. I think it's probably extremely rare that a motorcyclist, cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian pulls out of a junction or changes lanes without looking and kills a car driver!
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mJw1967[/bold] wrote: I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there[/p][/quote]"Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al." Please provide statistics to support your claim. I think it's probably extremely rare that a motorcyclist, cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian pulls out of a junction or changes lanes without looking and kills a car driver! JonMAG
  • Score: 5

8:45pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

davefrench wrote:
forest hump wrote:
A couple of years' back, the A-326 had speed restrictions applied due to a spate of motorcycle accidents. Now, while motorists crawl along, motorcycles (not all before the whiners pitch in) continue to roar past with no respect. It is not always about the motorist looking out. Also, it is way past time to make A-326 a dual c. Sheer volume of traffic is overloading one of the busiest roads in the County. Daily commuters must despair.
I ride this road twice daily and have done for over 20 years.
There were two fatal accidents in question - one was caused by an elderly driver doing a very badly judged u-turn, the other was a right-of-way violation (pulled out in front). Neither of these were speed related but the standard of the authorities is to drop the speed limit so they can say 'there you are we have done something', despite it being the wrong thing and unrelated to the main problem which is the poor standard of driving and total lack of supervision on the road.
What we need is regular police patrols pulling road users driving (or riding) badly over and encouraging them to do it better and treat this not brilliant road with the respect it deserves.
I think you are being a little economical with the details of the accident between the Hardley and Dibden Purlieu roundabouts, your 'right of way' violation. In court the driver of the lorry stated that he saw the car in the lay-by on his left indicating to turn right (not illegal I may add) and seeing the road ahead was clear of southbound traffic and nothing in sight in his rear view mirrors, he flashed the car to come out and slowed down accordingly. Unfortunately the motorcycle was riding so close to the back of the truck he was invisible or the driver stated he wouldn't have let the car out. It was a nasty accident with tragic results but lets have the full story.
[quote][p][bold]davefrench[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: A couple of years' back, the A-326 had speed restrictions applied due to a spate of motorcycle accidents. Now, while motorists crawl along, motorcycles (not all before the whiners pitch in) continue to roar past with no respect. It is not always about the motorist looking out. Also, it is way past time to make A-326 a dual c. Sheer volume of traffic is overloading one of the busiest roads in the County. Daily commuters must despair.[/p][/quote]I ride this road twice daily and have done for over 20 years. There were two fatal accidents in question - one was caused by an elderly driver doing a very badly judged u-turn, the other was a right-of-way violation (pulled out in front). Neither of these were speed related but the standard of the authorities is to drop the speed limit so they can say 'there you are we have done something', despite it being the wrong thing and unrelated to the main problem which is the poor standard of driving and total lack of supervision on the road. What we need is regular police patrols pulling road users driving (or riding) badly over and encouraging them to do it better and treat this not brilliant road with the respect it deserves.[/p][/quote]I think you are being a little economical with the details of the accident between the Hardley and Dibden Purlieu roundabouts, your 'right of way' violation. In court the driver of the lorry stated that he saw the car in the lay-by on his left indicating to turn right (not illegal I may add) and seeing the road ahead was clear of southbound traffic and nothing in sight in his rear view mirrors, he flashed the car to come out and slowed down accordingly. Unfortunately the motorcycle was riding so close to the back of the truck he was invisible or the driver stated he wouldn't have let the car out. It was a nasty accident with tragic results but lets have the full story. Torchie1
  • Score: 1

9:04pm Mon 14 Jul 14

forest hump says...

JonMAG wrote:
forest hump wrote:
mJw1967 wrote:
I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.
I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there
"Proportionally
, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al." Please provide statistics to support your claim. I think it's probably extremely rare that a motorcyclist, cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian pulls out of a junction or changes lanes without looking and kills a car driver!
So you are saying all except motorists are perfect? You have misread my comment. I did not suggest they killed car drivers, I merely stated there are bad in all sorts of similar proportions. It is called a normal distribution If you want it quoted statistically. In other words, all people make errors of judgement. To blame all on motorists is simply inaccurate.
[quote][p][bold]JonMAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mJw1967[/bold] wrote: I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there[/p][/quote]"Proportionally , there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al." Please provide statistics to support your claim. I think it's probably extremely rare that a motorcyclist, cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian pulls out of a junction or changes lanes without looking and kills a car driver![/p][/quote]So you are saying all except motorists are perfect? You have misread my comment. I did not suggest they killed car drivers, I merely stated there are bad in all sorts of similar proportions. It is called a normal distribution If you want it quoted statistically. In other words, all people make errors of judgement. To blame all on motorists is simply inaccurate. forest hump
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9:43pm Mon 14 Jul 14

JonMAG says...

forest hump wrote:
JonMAG wrote:
forest hump wrote:
mJw1967 wrote:
I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.
I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there
"Proportionally

, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al." Please provide statistics to support your claim. I think it's probably extremely rare that a motorcyclist, cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian pulls out of a junction or changes lanes without looking and kills a car driver!
So you are saying all except motorists are perfect? You have misread my comment. I did not suggest they killed car drivers, I merely stated there are bad in all sorts of similar proportions. It is called a normal distribution If you want it quoted statistically. In other words, all people make errors of judgement. To blame all on motorists is simply inaccurate.
Hi Forest, I'm not blaming anyone. Neither am I saying anyone is perfect. You feel everyone is capable of making bad judgement calls. And I don't disagree with you. I was trying to discover what "bad" really means. Is it driving too fast, not paying attention or the ability to cause another road user serious injury or death as a result of these errors?
My point is that it is the car driver who invariably causes greater injury to a more vulnerable road user in an accident than the other way around. Did you ever hear of a (motor)cyclist hitting a car and the driver being killed? Statistically, I suspect, the opposite is far more prevalent. Yes, motorcyclists/cyclis
ts et al have a responsibility to ride safely or risk personal harm. I feel it is far more important that car drivers avoid errors of judgement because their actions risk causing far more harm to others.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JonMAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mJw1967[/bold] wrote: I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there[/p][/quote]"Proportionally , there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al." Please provide statistics to support your claim. I think it's probably extremely rare that a motorcyclist, cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian pulls out of a junction or changes lanes without looking and kills a car driver![/p][/quote]So you are saying all except motorists are perfect? You have misread my comment. I did not suggest they killed car drivers, I merely stated there are bad in all sorts of similar proportions. It is called a normal distribution If you want it quoted statistically. In other words, all people make errors of judgement. To blame all on motorists is simply inaccurate.[/p][/quote]Hi Forest, I'm not blaming anyone. Neither am I saying anyone is perfect. You feel everyone is capable of making bad judgement calls. And I don't disagree with you. I was trying to discover what "bad" really means. Is it driving too fast, not paying attention or the ability to cause another road user serious injury or death as a result of these errors? My point is that it is the car driver who invariably causes greater injury to a more vulnerable road user in an accident than the other way around. Did you ever hear of a (motor)cyclist hitting a car and the driver being killed? Statistically, I suspect, the opposite is far more prevalent. Yes, motorcyclists/cyclis ts et al have a responsibility to ride safely or risk personal harm. I feel it is far more important that car drivers avoid errors of judgement because their actions risk causing far more harm to others. JonMAG
  • Score: 4

9:53pm Mon 14 Jul 14

rudolph_hucker says...

So many motorcyclists speed along like the world is going to end, and for a good number, it does. Very sad, but will happen again and again.
So many motorcyclists speed along like the world is going to end, and for a good number, it does. Very sad, but will happen again and again. rudolph_hucker
  • Score: -2

7:54am Tue 15 Jul 14

joiner123 says...

How many car driver fatalities on the counties roads last year then?
How many car driver fatalities on the counties roads last year then? joiner123
  • Score: 0

10:42am Tue 15 Jul 14

forest hump says...

JonMAG wrote:
forest hump wrote:
JonMAG wrote:
forest hump wrote:
mJw1967 wrote:
I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.
I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there
"Proportionally


, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al." Please provide statistics to support your claim. I think it's probably extremely rare that a motorcyclist, cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian pulls out of a junction or changes lanes without looking and kills a car driver!
So you are saying all except motorists are perfect? You have misread my comment. I did not suggest they killed car drivers, I merely stated there are bad in all sorts of similar proportions. It is called a normal distribution If you want it quoted statistically. In other words, all people make errors of judgement. To blame all on motorists is simply inaccurate.
Hi Forest, I'm not blaming anyone. Neither am I saying anyone is perfect. You feel everyone is capable of making bad judgement calls. And I don't disagree with you. I was trying to discover what "bad" really means. Is it driving too fast, not paying attention or the ability to cause another road user serious injury or death as a result of these errors?
My point is that it is the car driver who invariably causes greater injury to a more vulnerable road user in an accident than the other way around. Did you ever hear of a (motor)cyclist hitting a car and the driver being killed? Statistically, I suspect, the opposite is far more prevalent. Yes, motorcyclists/cyclis

ts et al have a responsibility to ride safely or risk personal harm. I feel it is far more important that car drivers avoid errors of judgement because their actions risk causing far more harm to others.
Jon, agree with your comments. An idiot with a gun will do more damage than an idiot with a fishing rod. There are idiots in all walks of life so managing your choice of transport in a sensible, defensive manner will prolong longevity.
[quote][p][bold]JonMAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JonMAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mJw1967[/bold] wrote: I was hit by a car from behind whilst travelling at the correct speed limit for the road last year whilst riding my motorbike. The press portrayed me as the cause of the accident and the police treated the car driver to a slap on the wrist. I spent a week in hospital on a range of wards including intensive care, three months off work and am still having investigations for the injuries I received. Having spent 30 years riding motorbikes I have become aware that car drives have no care for other road users be it pedestrian, cyclist, horse rider or motorcyclist. It's time that all drivers are retested every time they renew there licence and any drive that causes injury or death be removed from the road and in the case of death removed permanently.[/p][/quote]I'm sorry you went through this experience but do not tar all with the same brush! Proportionally, there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al. riders out there[/p][/quote]"Proportionally , there are as many bad motorcycle, cycle et. al." Please provide statistics to support your claim. I think it's probably extremely rare that a motorcyclist, cyclist, horse rider or pedestrian pulls out of a junction or changes lanes without looking and kills a car driver![/p][/quote]So you are saying all except motorists are perfect? You have misread my comment. I did not suggest they killed car drivers, I merely stated there are bad in all sorts of similar proportions. It is called a normal distribution If you want it quoted statistically. In other words, all people make errors of judgement. To blame all on motorists is simply inaccurate.[/p][/quote]Hi Forest, I'm not blaming anyone. Neither am I saying anyone is perfect. You feel everyone is capable of making bad judgement calls. And I don't disagree with you. I was trying to discover what "bad" really means. Is it driving too fast, not paying attention or the ability to cause another road user serious injury or death as a result of these errors? My point is that it is the car driver who invariably causes greater injury to a more vulnerable road user in an accident than the other way around. Did you ever hear of a (motor)cyclist hitting a car and the driver being killed? Statistically, I suspect, the opposite is far more prevalent. Yes, motorcyclists/cyclis ts et al have a responsibility to ride safely or risk personal harm. I feel it is far more important that car drivers avoid errors of judgement because their actions risk causing far more harm to others.[/p][/quote]Jon, agree with your comments. An idiot with a gun will do more damage than an idiot with a fishing rod. There are idiots in all walks of life so managing your choice of transport in a sensible, defensive manner will prolong longevity. forest hump
  • Score: 0

11:34am Tue 15 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

joiner123 wrote:
How many car driver fatalities on the counties roads last year then?
The figures are available on the HCC website for the period 2006-2012 which show a steady reduction in fatalities from a high of 67 down to 24 in 2012. Figures provided by Hampshire Constabulary.
[quote][p][bold]joiner123[/bold] wrote: How many car driver fatalities on the counties roads last year then?[/p][/quote]The figures are available on the HCC website for the period 2006-2012 which show a steady reduction in fatalities from a high of 67 down to 24 in 2012. Figures provided by Hampshire Constabulary. Torchie1
  • Score: 1
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