Campaigners call for ban on fracking in national parks

Government vow can’t halt fracking fears

Government vow can’t halt fracking fears

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Anti-fracking campaigners in the New Forest are refusing to drop their guard – despite a Government pledge to protect precious parts of the countryside.

Ministers have announced that fracking will only be allowed in national parks and other areas of outstanding natural beauty in what they describe as “exceptional circumstances”.

But the announcement has failed to satisfy opponents of the controversial technique, which has been linked to earthquakes and other environmental problems.

Critics are calling for an outright ban on fracking in national parks and other environmentally-sensitive areas.

Commenting on the wording of the Government statement, Mike Chilcott, secretary of the New Forest Association, said: “It’s that built-in loophole that gives us concern – it’s just the sort of thing that gives developers hope.”

Fracking involves drilling thousands of feet underground and then pumping in pressurised water to crack the rocks and release trapped pockets of shale gas.

Members of the New Forest National Park Authority (NPA) include David Harrison, county councillor for Totton and Marchwood South.

He said: “I would have preferred the Government to be bold and announce that fracking will never be permitted in any of our national parks.”

But NPA officers appear to have been reassured by the Government’s announcement.

Paul Walton, head of environment and rural economy, said: “We welcome the Government’s intention to safeguard National Parks to ensure these iconic landscapes continue to receive the highest status of protection.”

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12:37pm Tue 29 Jul 14

The Wickham Man says...

Why just fracking? Why not oppose new houses, or shops, or roads, or factories? or waste disposal? A Fracking site is no different to a noisy building site with lorries nad people coming and going all day - They all involve more people, more noise, more disruption, so why not oppose all of it?
Why just fracking? Why not oppose new houses, or shops, or roads, or factories? or waste disposal? A Fracking site is no different to a noisy building site with lorries nad people coming and going all day - They all involve more people, more noise, more disruption, so why not oppose all of it? The Wickham Man
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12:54pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Mr E says...

At the rate things are going the Anti Everything Brigade are going put us all back to the Dark Ages.
At the rate things are going the Anti Everything Brigade are going put us all back to the Dark Ages. Mr E
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1:15pm Tue 29 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Mr E wrote:
At the rate things are going the Anti Everything Brigade are going put us all back to the Dark Ages.
You are dead right BANANAS! Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Never Again. They make you sick because they will be the first to moan when the gas supply runs dry or the Russians decide to turn the tap off. Short-sighted, selfish and so ignorant. They live in their own "I'm alright Jack" cocoon. Their eyes will be opened as will all naysayers one day. You reap what you sow.
[quote][p][bold]Mr E[/bold] wrote: At the rate things are going the Anti Everything Brigade are going put us all back to the Dark Ages.[/p][/quote]You are dead right BANANAS! Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Never Again. They make you sick because they will be the first to moan when the gas supply runs dry or the Russians decide to turn the tap off. Short-sighted, selfish and so ignorant. They live in their own "I'm alright Jack" cocoon. Their eyes will be opened as will all naysayers one day. You reap what you sow. forest hump
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1:25pm Tue 29 Jul 14

MisterGrimsdale says...

At least with David "Never created a job in my life, never will either" Harrison - there is no danger of any of that horrible employment opportunity stuff polluting the Forest and Waterside. So kids- don't forget to thank Uncle David when you embark on that commission-only double glazing sales career.
At least with David "Never created a job in my life, never will either" Harrison - there is no danger of any of that horrible employment opportunity stuff polluting the Forest and Waterside. So kids- don't forget to thank Uncle David when you embark on that commission-only double glazing sales career. MisterGrimsdale
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2:49pm Tue 29 Jul 14

KSO16R says...

Mr E wrote:
At the rate things are going the Anti Everything Brigade are going put us all back to the Dark Ages.
We are living in the dark ages . .
[quote][p][bold]Mr E[/bold] wrote: At the rate things are going the Anti Everything Brigade are going put us all back to the Dark Ages.[/p][/quote]We are living in the dark ages . . KSO16R
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3:11pm Tue 29 Jul 14

southy says...

Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place southy
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3:16pm Tue 29 Jul 14

southy says...

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3:23pm Tue 29 Jul 14

good-gosh says...

Good news that fracking will not be permitted in national parks, etc. Of course, governments can never say 'never' and I guess the 'exceptional circumstances' when fracking could be used would be in an emergency like a foreign blockade of imports, or war and so on.
Good news that fracking will not be permitted in national parks, etc. Of course, governments can never say 'never' and I guess the 'exceptional circumstances' when fracking could be used would be in an emergency like a foreign blockade of imports, or war and so on. good-gosh
  • Score: 0

5:24pm Tue 29 Jul 14

Andy Locks Heath says...

southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering. Andy Locks Heath
  • Score: 1

6:38pm Tue 29 Jul 14

southy says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater.

It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that.
If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen.
Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.[/p][/quote]True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater. It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that. If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen. Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks. southy
  • Score: -2

9:14am Wed 30 Jul 14

forest hump says...

good-gosh wrote:
Good news that fracking will not be permitted in national parks, etc. Of course, governments can never say 'never' and I guess the 'exceptional circumstances' when fracking could be used would be in an emergency like a foreign blockade of imports, or war and so on.
Too bl**dy late then!
[quote][p][bold]good-gosh[/bold] wrote: Good news that fracking will not be permitted in national parks, etc. Of course, governments can never say 'never' and I guess the 'exceptional circumstances' when fracking could be used would be in an emergency like a foreign blockade of imports, or war and so on.[/p][/quote]Too bl**dy late then! forest hump
  • Score: -1

9:20am Wed 30 Jul 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater.

It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that.
If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen.
Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.
Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti
on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.[/p][/quote]True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater. It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that. If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen. Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.[/p][/quote]Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening. forest hump
  • Score: -1

9:23am Wed 30 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
Andy, you are spot on with your analogy. I spent 8 years working on the Gulf Coast and lived in Galveston County. A good example of a poor, rushed development many years ago. Lots of lessons have since been learned.....Wytch Farm being an excellent example.
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.[/p][/quote]Andy, you are spot on with your analogy. I spent 8 years working on the Gulf Coast and lived in Galveston County. A good example of a poor, rushed development many years ago. Lots of lessons have since been learned.....Wytch Farm being an excellent example. forest hump
  • Score: -1

10:11am Wed 30 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater.

It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that.
If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen.
Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.
Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti

on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening.
Sadly Southy has never grasped the subtle distinction between his opinion, and reality.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.[/p][/quote]True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater. It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that. If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen. Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.[/p][/quote]Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening.[/p][/quote]Sadly Southy has never grasped the subtle distinction between his opinion, and reality. Torchie1
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10:59am Wed 30 Jul 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater.

It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that.
If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen.
Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.
Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti

on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening.
Yes its your little ill inform knowledge who is blind to any arguement and facks about fracking, the evidence is out there all ready what will happen and its not on paper its what is happening in real life, on paper facking sounds good but in reality its not, In the USA some countys are now banning fracking, in Austraila where its a lot tighter in controlls and regulations (than here in the UK) are getting the problems of contaminated ground water and are now starting to ban it. When you come out of the office and into the field you might start learning a few things like I have been on and off in the Gas, Oil drilling for 42 years.
The more pressure you put into hydraulic pulse the longer and bigger the cracks, there is a minimum amount of pressure pluse for fracking to work and Austraila was running right on that line of minimum amount of pressure, It only takes one crack to pass though the shell rock layer and your ground water supply is contaminated and it will happen, Here in the UK they will be going above the minimum amount of pressure.
Sinking a well for oil and gas is drifferent to fracking rocks, drilling into rocks will not frack the rocks that takes a pulsating pressure to do that.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.[/p][/quote]True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater. It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that. If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen. Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.[/p][/quote]Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening.[/p][/quote]Yes its your little ill inform knowledge who is blind to any arguement and facks about fracking, the evidence is out there all ready what will happen and its not on paper its what is happening in real life, on paper facking sounds good but in reality its not, In the USA some countys are now banning fracking, in Austraila where its a lot tighter in controlls and regulations (than here in the UK) are getting the problems of contaminated ground water and are now starting to ban it. When you come out of the office and into the field you might start learning a few things like I have been on and off in the Gas, Oil drilling for 42 years. The more pressure you put into hydraulic pulse the longer and bigger the cracks, there is a minimum amount of pressure pluse for fracking to work and Austraila was running right on that line of minimum amount of pressure, It only takes one crack to pass though the shell rock layer and your ground water supply is contaminated and it will happen, Here in the UK they will be going above the minimum amount of pressure. Sinking a well for oil and gas is drifferent to fracking rocks, drilling into rocks will not frack the rocks that takes a pulsating pressure to do that. southy
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11:19am Wed 30 Jul 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
Andy, you are spot on with your analogy. I spent 8 years working on the Gulf Coast and lived in Galveston County. A good example of a poor, rushed development many years ago. Lots of lessons have since been learned.....Wytch Farm being an excellent example.
You only see Wytch farm as it is now after the cleaning up opperation that started in 1976 a mess that was created when test dilling before it was pumping out oil in 1979, some people call Wytch farm a form of fracking it is not and nothing like fracking, At Wytch farm super heated steam as to be pump into the porous rocks to soften up the oil and to put pressure above the well header.
To the south west you have oil shell rock known as the Isle of Purbeck's oil-shale field, or Kimmeridge Coal, that as been work since early 17th century for its tar.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.[/p][/quote]Andy, you are spot on with your analogy. I spent 8 years working on the Gulf Coast and lived in Galveston County. A good example of a poor, rushed development many years ago. Lots of lessons have since been learned.....Wytch Farm being an excellent example.[/p][/quote]You only see Wytch farm as it is now after the cleaning up opperation that started in 1976 a mess that was created when test dilling before it was pumping out oil in 1979, some people call Wytch farm a form of fracking it is not and nothing like fracking, At Wytch farm super heated steam as to be pump into the porous rocks to soften up the oil and to put pressure above the well header. To the south west you have oil shell rock known as the Isle of Purbeck's oil-shale field, or Kimmeridge Coal, that as been work since early 17th century for its tar. southy
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12:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater.

It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that.
If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen.
Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.
Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti


on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening.
Yes its your little ill inform knowledge who is blind to any arguement and facks about fracking, the evidence is out there all ready what will happen and its not on paper its what is happening in real life, on paper facking sounds good but in reality its not, In the USA some countys are now banning fracking, in Austraila where its a lot tighter in controlls and regulations (than here in the UK) are getting the problems of contaminated ground water and are now starting to ban it. When you come out of the office and into the field you might start learning a few things like I have been on and off in the Gas, Oil drilling for 42 years.
The more pressure you put into hydraulic pulse the longer and bigger the cracks, there is a minimum amount of pressure pluse for fracking to work and Austraila was running right on that line of minimum amount of pressure, It only takes one crack to pass though the shell rock layer and your ground water supply is contaminated and it will happen, Here in the UK they will be going above the minimum amount of pressure.
Sinking a well for oil and gas is drifferent to fracking rocks, drilling into rocks will not frack the rocks that takes a pulsating pressure to do that.
I'm sure that given the chance you'd explain to the Pope how he'd misunderstood the bible.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.[/p][/quote]True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater. It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that. If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen. Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.[/p][/quote]Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening.[/p][/quote]Yes its your little ill inform knowledge who is blind to any arguement and facks about fracking, the evidence is out there all ready what will happen and its not on paper its what is happening in real life, on paper facking sounds good but in reality its not, In the USA some countys are now banning fracking, in Austraila where its a lot tighter in controlls and regulations (than here in the UK) are getting the problems of contaminated ground water and are now starting to ban it. When you come out of the office and into the field you might start learning a few things like I have been on and off in the Gas, Oil drilling for 42 years. The more pressure you put into hydraulic pulse the longer and bigger the cracks, there is a minimum amount of pressure pluse for fracking to work and Austraila was running right on that line of minimum amount of pressure, It only takes one crack to pass though the shell rock layer and your ground water supply is contaminated and it will happen, Here in the UK they will be going above the minimum amount of pressure. Sinking a well for oil and gas is drifferent to fracking rocks, drilling into rocks will not frack the rocks that takes a pulsating pressure to do that.[/p][/quote]I'm sure that given the chance you'd explain to the Pope how he'd misunderstood the bible. Torchie1
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1:13pm Wed 30 Jul 14

southy says...

trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so
trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so southy
  • Score: -1

2:12pm Wed 30 Jul 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
Andy, you are spot on with your analogy. I spent 8 years working on the Gulf Coast and lived in Galveston County. A good example of a poor, rushed development many years ago. Lots of lessons have since been learned.....Wytch Farm being an excellent example.
You only see Wytch farm as it is now after the cleaning up opperation that started in 1976 a mess that was created when test dilling before it was pumping out oil in 1979, some people call Wytch farm a form of fracking it is not and nothing like fracking, At Wytch farm super heated steam as to be pump into the porous rocks to soften up the oil and to put pressure above the well header.
To the south west you have oil shell rock known as the Isle of Purbeck's oil-shale field, or Kimmeridge Coal, that as been work since early 17th century for its tar.
Southy, shut up. I will repeat. I have 35+ years knowledge of the industry, you a purely a guesser. If you cannot say anything constructive, do not bother.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.[/p][/quote]Andy, you are spot on with your analogy. I spent 8 years working on the Gulf Coast and lived in Galveston County. A good example of a poor, rushed development many years ago. Lots of lessons have since been learned.....Wytch Farm being an excellent example.[/p][/quote]You only see Wytch farm as it is now after the cleaning up opperation that started in 1976 a mess that was created when test dilling before it was pumping out oil in 1979, some people call Wytch farm a form of fracking it is not and nothing like fracking, At Wytch farm super heated steam as to be pump into the porous rocks to soften up the oil and to put pressure above the well header. To the south west you have oil shell rock known as the Isle of Purbeck's oil-shale field, or Kimmeridge Coal, that as been work since early 17th century for its tar.[/p][/quote]Southy, shut up. I will repeat. I have 35+ years knowledge of the industry, you a purely a guesser. If you cannot say anything constructive, do not bother. forest hump
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2:16pm Wed 30 Jul 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
Andy Locks Heath wrote:
southy wrote:
Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place
Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.
True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater.

It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that.
If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen.
Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.
Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti


on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening.
Yes its your little ill inform knowledge who is blind to any arguement and facks about fracking, the evidence is out there all ready what will happen and its not on paper its what is happening in real life, on paper facking sounds good but in reality its not, In the USA some countys are now banning fracking, in Austraila where its a lot tighter in controlls and regulations (than here in the UK) are getting the problems of contaminated ground water and are now starting to ban it. When you come out of the office and into the field you might start learning a few things like I have been on and off in the Gas, Oil drilling for 42 years.
The more pressure you put into hydraulic pulse the longer and bigger the cracks, there is a minimum amount of pressure pluse for fracking to work and Austraila was running right on that line of minimum amount of pressure, It only takes one crack to pass though the shell rock layer and your ground water supply is contaminated and it will happen, Here in the UK they will be going above the minimum amount of pressure.
Sinking a well for oil and gas is drifferent to fracking rocks, drilling into rocks will not frack the rocks that takes a pulsating pressure to do that.
How dare you suggest I have little information and ill informed. How many years have you spent in the USA? How many years have you detailed information of the way the industry works? What are your professional qualifications?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Fracking is not safe, it will end up containating the ground water supply, take a look at the USA and Austrailia where fracking as all ready been taking place[/p][/quote]Nothing is totally safe is it. Cars aren't safe. Trains aren't. planes aren't Fridges, TVs, bikes, skateboards. Shoes aren't safe. PAvements aren't safe. Fracking is no different. However the safety regimes in the USA are nothing to do with the UK. Look at the mess the USA made along the Gulf coast around Galveston compared to the carefully managed oilfield at Wytch Farm and observe the difference. Fracking does not have to pollute the water supply and when managed and regulated as it would be in the UK is actually far less likely to pollute the water supply than agriculture. SHall we ban farming? Let's have a bit of perspective and little less scaremongering.[/p][/quote]True nothing is 100% safe, but most things like cars ect is limited to a small number, containate the water supply and that number is far greater. It will polute the ground water supply Andy as any type of force it will more up wards than any other direction, even you should know that. If you reduce the pressure then fracking will not happen. Wytch farm oil bore was a mess it took years to clean that up, Drill for oil is different to how fracking works, Oil wells bore down to oil if there is not engough pressure then an level amount of pressure is applied to lift to the surface, if its a guley then very hot steam is applied, With fracking you have to apply pressure far greater and its a pulse and the chemicals that are needed here you need to crack the rocks and not just drill into the rocks.[/p][/quote]Southy, why do you not shut the heck up? You little ill informed knowledge is pathetic. Leave the technical stuff to those who have the technical knowledge and know-how. It really is getting boring. When have you eve, ever, been involved with the technical side of oil, gas exploration/producti on/refining? When you have 35 yrs+ knowledge, we might start listening.[/p][/quote]Yes its your little ill inform knowledge who is blind to any arguement and facks about fracking, the evidence is out there all ready what will happen and its not on paper its what is happening in real life, on paper facking sounds good but in reality its not, In the USA some countys are now banning fracking, in Austraila where its a lot tighter in controlls and regulations (than here in the UK) are getting the problems of contaminated ground water and are now starting to ban it. When you come out of the office and into the field you might start learning a few things like I have been on and off in the Gas, Oil drilling for 42 years. The more pressure you put into hydraulic pulse the longer and bigger the cracks, there is a minimum amount of pressure pluse for fracking to work and Austraila was running right on that line of minimum amount of pressure, It only takes one crack to pass though the shell rock layer and your ground water supply is contaminated and it will happen, Here in the UK they will be going above the minimum amount of pressure. Sinking a well for oil and gas is drifferent to fracking rocks, drilling into rocks will not frack the rocks that takes a pulsating pressure to do that.[/p][/quote]How dare you suggest I have little information and ill informed. How many years have you spent in the USA? How many years have you detailed information of the way the industry works? What are your professional qualifications? forest hump
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4:58pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so
It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so[/p][/quote]It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Wed 30 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so
It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer.
At least we cannot accuse him of cut and paste! He obviously reads his google searches and promptly puts on his own spin. Conveniently hides when asked direct questions when exposed as a fraud.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so[/p][/quote]It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer.[/p][/quote]At least we cannot accuse him of cut and paste! He obviously reads his google searches and promptly puts on his own spin. Conveniently hides when asked direct questions when exposed as a fraud. forest hump
  • Score: 0

9:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Torchie1 says...

forest hump wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so
It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer.
At least we cannot accuse him of cut and paste! He obviously reads his google searches and promptly puts on his own spin. Conveniently hides when asked direct questions when exposed as a fraud.
I've lost the link but one of the posters on here created a 'Southy tribute' page where the cream of the crop of his howlers were available on a month by month basis. All were funny but some were toe-curlingly embarrassing, and he just carries on providing the material like a lamb to the slaughter.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so[/p][/quote]It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer.[/p][/quote]At least we cannot accuse him of cut and paste! He obviously reads his google searches and promptly puts on his own spin. Conveniently hides when asked direct questions when exposed as a fraud.[/p][/quote]I've lost the link but one of the posters on here created a 'Southy tribute' page where the cream of the crop of his howlers were available on a month by month basis. All were funny but some were toe-curlingly embarrassing, and he just carries on providing the material like a lamb to the slaughter. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Wed 30 Jul 14

forest hump says...

Torchie1 wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so
It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer.
At least we cannot accuse him of cut and paste! He obviously reads his google searches and promptly puts on his own spin. Conveniently hides when asked direct questions when exposed as a fraud.
I've lost the link but one of the posters on here created a 'Southy tribute' page where the cream of the crop of his howlers were available on a month by month basis. All were funny but some were toe-curlingly embarrassing, and he just carries on providing the material like a lamb to the slaughter.
I sometimes order if it is one huge farce but then no one could sustain a facade like that!
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so[/p][/quote]It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer.[/p][/quote]At least we cannot accuse him of cut and paste! He obviously reads his google searches and promptly puts on his own spin. Conveniently hides when asked direct questions when exposed as a fraud.[/p][/quote]I've lost the link but one of the posters on here created a 'Southy tribute' page where the cream of the crop of his howlers were available on a month by month basis. All were funny but some were toe-curlingly embarrassing, and he just carries on providing the material like a lamb to the slaughter.[/p][/quote]I sometimes order if it is one huge farce but then no one could sustain a facade like that! forest hump
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9:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

forest hump says...

forest hump wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so
It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer.
At least we cannot accuse him of cut and paste! He obviously reads his google searches and promptly puts on his own spin. Conveniently hides when asked direct questions when exposed as a fraud.
I've lost the link but one of the posters on here created a 'Southy tribute' page where the cream of the crop of his howlers were available on a month by month basis. All were funny but some were toe-curlingly embarrassing, and he just carries on providing the material like a lamb to the slaughter.
I sometimes order if it is one huge farce but then no one could sustain a facade like that!
Sorry. Wonder! Getting late.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: trying to change the direction Torchie1, but then again i not surprise its normal for you to do so[/p][/quote]It's amusing that you accuse someone else of changing direction when it's more or less normal practice for you when you won't accept that you've been caught out again. A reasonable question about your expertise in Wytch Farm has been posed, what about an answer.[/p][/quote]At least we cannot accuse him of cut and paste! He obviously reads his google searches and promptly puts on his own spin. Conveniently hides when asked direct questions when exposed as a fraud.[/p][/quote]I've lost the link but one of the posters on here created a 'Southy tribute' page where the cream of the crop of his howlers were available on a month by month basis. All were funny but some were toe-curlingly embarrassing, and he just carries on providing the material like a lamb to the slaughter.[/p][/quote]I sometimes order if it is one huge farce but then no one could sustain a facade like that![/p][/quote]Sorry. Wonder! Getting late. forest hump
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