Eight men rescued from suspected slavery Little Testwood Farm in Calmore

Little Testwood Farm

Little Testwood Farm

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POLICE have rescued eight men from a site in Totton following an investigation into potential slavery and servitude.

Officers from Hampshire Constabulary, supported by the National Crime Agency, executed a warrant around 6am today at Little Testwood Farm on Salisbury Road, Calmore.

The men are aged between 21 and 46 and are a mix of Romanian, Latvian and Polish nationalities.

Police also recovered industrial equipment that is believed to have been stolen.

A 27-year-old man from Luton was arrested on suspicion of knowingly holding another person in slavery or servitude and remains in custody.

The men have been taken to a survivor reception centre where they are receiving emotional and practical support. The centre is run by officers from Amberstone, Hampshire Constabulary’s specialist interview support team, with assistance from the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, Hampshire County Council and the NHS.

Detective Inspector Phil Scrase from Southampton CID said: “As this morning’s action shows, we’ll take swift action against anyone suspected of exploiting vulnerable members of society for their own gain.

“We know that people are being trafficked, exploited and enslaved across the country including here in Hampshire.

“I’d urge anyone with concerns, suspicions or information that could help our enquiries to contact us in confidence.

“For example, if you’re being offered cheap labour that’s too good to be true for the amount it costs, ask yourself: who’s really paying?”

Anyone with information about slavery, servitude, exploitation or trafficking can call the police on 101 or 999 in an emergency.

If you don’t want to speak to the police directly, you can also call Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111 or the national slavery helpline on 0800 0121 700

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2:16pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Frank28 says...

Shocked to learn that this is happening here. People come to this country with so many dreams, only for them to be turned into a living nightmare. Well done for stopping this exploitation.
Shocked to learn that this is happening here. People come to this country with so many dreams, only for them to be turned into a living nightmare. Well done for stopping this exploitation. Frank28
  • Score: 48

2:24pm Tue 12 Aug 14

country bird says...

Its appaling how they have been treated.
HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is.
Its appaling how they have been treated. HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is. country bird
  • Score: 41

2:30pm Tue 12 Aug 14

mrs pepperpot says...

country bird wrote:
Its appaling how they have been treated.
HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is.
I agree totally with you, now watch our comments be down voted!
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: Its appaling how they have been treated. HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is.[/p][/quote]I agree totally with you, now watch our comments be down voted! mrs pepperpot
  • Score: 25

2:31pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Quentin Heslop says...

What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?
What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'? Quentin Heslop
  • Score: -23

2:35pm Tue 12 Aug 14

solomum says...

country bird wrote:
Its appaling how they have been treated.
HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is.
That won't happen because our Government have opened the door to European Immigrants. I am really pleased these men have been rescued, but now begs the question, how many more are being kept in slavery.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: Its appaling how they have been treated. HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is.[/p][/quote]That won't happen because our Government have opened the door to European Immigrants. I am really pleased these men have been rescued, but now begs the question, how many more are being kept in slavery. solomum
  • Score: 9

2:41pm Tue 12 Aug 14

kiz.bartlett says...

This is blatent exploitation of individuals who are willing to leave everything behind in order to make their lives better. This should never have happened.

Personally from facts and opinion, i have no issue with immigrants coming here. But they are people like all of us, and deserved to be treated accordingly.
This is blatent exploitation of individuals who are willing to leave everything behind in order to make their lives better. This should never have happened. Personally from facts and opinion, i have no issue with immigrants coming here. But they are people like all of us, and deserved to be treated accordingly. kiz.bartlett
  • Score: 40

2:50pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Jerry Gamble says...

Quentin Heslop wrote:
What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?
A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?[/p][/quote]A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants. Jerry Gamble
  • Score: -30

2:57pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Jerry Gamble says...

Being exploited with incredibly low wages I can understand, but I can't imagine actual slavery being the case. This would imply having been rounded up & captured either in their own lands & shipped here, or rounded up & captured off the streets here, which seems equally implausible. What seems more likely is that these 'slaves' had fallen foul of Loan Sharks, of their own misguided volition & agreed to work off their debt, thus allowing themselves to be exploited. But can that be classed as 'slavery'?
Being exploited with incredibly low wages I can understand, but I can't imagine actual slavery being the case. This would imply having been rounded up & captured either in their own lands & shipped here, or rounded up & captured off the streets here, which seems equally implausible. What seems more likely is that these 'slaves' had fallen foul of Loan Sharks, of their own misguided volition & agreed to work off their debt, thus allowing themselves to be exploited. But can that be classed as 'slavery'? Jerry Gamble
  • Score: -34

3:02pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Phil76 says...

Gosh the cup of human kindness is overrunning here!

Sounds like the majority of respondents here would find the comments made on the Daily Mail website too left wing.
Gosh the cup of human kindness is overrunning here! Sounds like the majority of respondents here would find the comments made on the Daily Mail website too left wing. Phil76
  • Score: 32

3:08pm Tue 12 Aug 14

newsknight says...

Jerry Gamble wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?
A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.
Actually they do put some immigrants up at the Chilworth Manor Hotel when need arises.....!!
[quote][p][bold]Jerry Gamble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?[/p][/quote]A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.[/p][/quote]Actually they do put some immigrants up at the Chilworth Manor Hotel when need arises.....!! newsknight
  • Score: -13

3:37pm Tue 12 Aug 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

May deter some to stay in their own country s
May deter some to stay in their own country s SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: -9

4:12pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

Phil76 wrote:
Gosh the cup of human kindness is overrunning here!

Sounds like the majority of respondents here would find the comments made on the Daily Mail website too left wing.
Thanks Cletus, or was it Brandine this time?
What makes me suspect that these immigrants have fallen foul of another group of immigrants who, regrettably, have been allowed free run of our country since the detestable 1922 Treaty which foretold how pusillanimous our poor country would become?
Actually all this" The men have been taken to a survivor reception centre where they are receiving emotional and practical support" stuff has been de rigueur for about 2 years and woe betide the Chief Constable who can't find a bit of "human trafficking" blah, blah on his/her patch. Easiest is to pick a group of illegals off the back axle of an HGV on the M20 and ask them whether they've been trafficked here. You'll be amazed how often the answer is that they have. It appeals particularly to the Viets who are the spittin' image of Ho Chi Minh but have been told to say they were born in 1997 and are the responsibility of Social Services, being children of course.
[quote][p][bold]Phil76[/bold] wrote: Gosh the cup of human kindness is overrunning here! Sounds like the majority of respondents here would find the comments made on the Daily Mail website too left wing.[/p][/quote]Thanks Cletus, or was it Brandine this time? What makes me suspect that these immigrants have fallen foul of another group of immigrants who, regrettably, have been allowed free run of our country since the detestable 1922 Treaty which foretold how pusillanimous our poor country would become? Actually all this" The men have been taken to a survivor reception centre where they are receiving emotional and practical support" stuff has been de rigueur for about 2 years and woe betide the Chief Constable who can't find a bit of "human trafficking" blah, blah on his/her patch. Easiest is to pick a group of illegals off the back axle of an HGV on the M20 and ask them whether they've been trafficked here. You'll be amazed how often the answer is that they have. It appeals particularly to the Viets who are the spittin' image of Ho Chi Minh but have been told to say they were born in 1997 and are the responsibility of Social Services, being children of course. Dai Rear
  • Score: -10

4:38pm Tue 12 Aug 14

andyfidler1966 says...

The country certainly is over-run...over-run with racist scumbags who want to further victimise the victims of crime. Since you all clearly hate Britain, and the British legal system, why don't you move to another country. As far away as possible please...
The country certainly is over-run...over-run with racist scumbags who want to further victimise the victims of crime. Since you all clearly hate Britain, and the British legal system, why don't you move to another country. As far away as possible please... andyfidler1966
  • Score: 26

5:19pm Tue 12 Aug 14

solomum says...

Jerry Gamble wrote:
Being exploited with incredibly low wages I can understand, but I can't imagine actual slavery being the case. This would imply having been rounded up & captured either in their own lands & shipped here, or rounded up & captured off the streets here, which seems equally implausible. What seems more likely is that these 'slaves' had fallen foul of Loan Sharks, of their own misguided volition & agreed to work off their debt, thus allowing themselves to be exploited. But can that be classed as 'slavery'?
It is highly likely that they were brought over here by an organised gang with promises of a job, better life etc, but instead have found themselves being used as slaves, getting little or no money whilst the gang members rake it in.
[quote][p][bold]Jerry Gamble[/bold] wrote: Being exploited with incredibly low wages I can understand, but I can't imagine actual slavery being the case. This would imply having been rounded up & captured either in their own lands & shipped here, or rounded up & captured off the streets here, which seems equally implausible. What seems more likely is that these 'slaves' had fallen foul of Loan Sharks, of their own misguided volition & agreed to work off their debt, thus allowing themselves to be exploited. But can that be classed as 'slavery'?[/p][/quote]It is highly likely that they were brought over here by an organised gang with promises of a job, better life etc, but instead have found themselves being used as slaves, getting little or no money whilst the gang members rake it in. solomum
  • Score: 15

5:29pm Tue 12 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Can any of them play football we could do with some recruits.
Can any of them play football we could do with some recruits. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

5:30pm Tue 12 Aug 14

lastminmoran says...

WE really are a country that learns very little from history.TO hear our leaders batter the unemployed over the head with the work ethic of people sold on a tourist film from the 1960s,then when that point has run dry,forget about the same people and yet keep running the same film....keep them coming and giving free rain to the type of people who gave this country great wealth for hundreds of years,,,,,not long after the celebration of its abolition..shows what at the root is and has always been growing in the type of polytunnel that employs these poor people.
WE really are a country that learns very little from history.TO hear our leaders batter the unemployed over the head with the work ethic of people sold on a tourist film from the 1960s,then when that point has run dry,forget about the same people and yet keep running the same film....keep them coming and giving free rain to the type of people who gave this country great wealth for hundreds of years,,,,,not long after the celebration of its abolition..shows what at the root is and has always been growing in the type of polytunnel that employs these poor people. lastminmoran
  • Score: -2

5:35pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

andyfidler1966 wrote:
The country certainly is over-run...over-run with racist scumbags who want to further victimise the victims of crime. Since you all clearly hate Britain, and the British legal system, why don't you move to another country. As far away as possible please...
Good suggestion Andy, BUT which country will risk accepting them?
[quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: The country certainly is over-run...over-run with racist scumbags who want to further victimise the victims of crime. Since you all clearly hate Britain, and the British legal system, why don't you move to another country. As far away as possible please...[/p][/quote]Good suggestion Andy, BUT which country will risk accepting them? Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 4

5:50pm Tue 12 Aug 14

thesouth says...

Jerry Gamble wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?
A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.
Been to one have you? Idiot
[quote][p][bold]Jerry Gamble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?[/p][/quote]A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.[/p][/quote]Been to one have you? Idiot thesouth
  • Score: -5

5:52pm Tue 12 Aug 14

thesouth says...

newsknight wrote:
Jerry Gamble wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?
A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.
Actually they do put some immigrants up at the Chilworth Manor Hotel when need arises.....!!
Not true
[quote][p][bold]newsknight[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry Gamble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?[/p][/quote]A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.[/p][/quote]Actually they do put some immigrants up at the Chilworth Manor Hotel when need arises.....!![/p][/quote]Not true thesouth
  • Score: 3

6:40pm Tue 12 Aug 14

elfow77 says...

Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on!
Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on! elfow77
  • Score: -4

6:57pm Tue 12 Aug 14

realistic-usa says...

I think it is fine to let these chaps stay. They seem hard working and have just had a bad experience.
I think it is fine to let these chaps stay. They seem hard working and have just had a bad experience. realistic-usa
  • Score: 3

6:58pm Tue 12 Aug 14

thesotonsaint says...

mrs pepperpot wrote:
country bird wrote:
Its appaling how they have been treated.
HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is.
I agree totally with you, now watch our comments be down voted!
So you're saying allow immigrants in, but when they are found to have been a victim of crime in our country then send them back. Next time someone commits a crime against you, allow me to escort you out of the country, fresh off the back of what is hopefully a heinous crime against you....
[quote][p][bold]mrs pepperpot[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: Its appaling how they have been treated. HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is.[/p][/quote]I agree totally with you, now watch our comments be down voted![/p][/quote]So you're saying allow immigrants in, but when they are found to have been a victim of crime in our country then send them back. Next time someone commits a crime against you, allow me to escort you out of the country, fresh off the back of what is hopefully a heinous crime against you.... thesotonsaint
  • Score: -3

7:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

deepheat says...

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that

“No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.”

To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that “No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.” To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited. deepheat
  • Score: 14

8:02pm Tue 12 Aug 14

southy says...

deepheat wrote:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that

“No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.”

To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.
Sounds like what our Governments have been leading us to for the last 34 years.
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that “No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.” To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.[/p][/quote]Sounds like what our Governments have been leading us to for the last 34 years. southy
  • Score: -2

8:04pm Tue 12 Aug 14

southy says...

Quentin Heslop wrote:
What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?
Its a half-way house where they can be interviewed and access of their conditions and how they been treated and to find what there statuis is for being the country.
[quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?[/p][/quote]Its a half-way house where they can be interviewed and access of their conditions and how they been treated and to find what there statuis is for being the country. southy
  • Score: 2

8:24pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Popcorn Sutton says...

The whole darn world has gone crazy now.
People killing others because they worship a different God, The people at the head of the country fiddling with money & children, corrupt judges & police & the list goes on.
People used to have respect for life & now it just seems that people really don't care anymore.
People have the capacity to be nasty individuals now.
The whole darn world has gone crazy now. People killing others because they worship a different God, The people at the head of the country fiddling with money & children, corrupt judges & police & the list goes on. People used to have respect for life & now it just seems that people really don't care anymore. People have the capacity to be nasty individuals now. Popcorn Sutton
  • Score: 4

8:36pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Quentin Heslop says...

southy wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?
Its a half-way house where they can be interviewed and access of their conditions and how they been treated and to find what there statuis is for being the country.
Survivor? Bizarre.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?[/p][/quote]Its a half-way house where they can be interviewed and access of their conditions and how they been treated and to find what there statuis is for being the country.[/p][/quote]Survivor? Bizarre. Quentin Heslop
  • Score: -1

8:42pm Tue 12 Aug 14

KSO16R says...

Popcorn Sutton wrote:
The whole darn world has gone crazy now.
People killing others because they worship a different God, The people at the head of the country fiddling with money & children, corrupt judges & police & the list goes on.
People used to have respect for life & now it just seems that people really don't care anymore.
People have the capacity to be nasty individuals now.
You seem to have changed your tune since lastvweeks comments about the derby road area.
[quote][p][bold]Popcorn Sutton[/bold] wrote: The whole darn world has gone crazy now. People killing others because they worship a different God, The people at the head of the country fiddling with money & children, corrupt judges & police & the list goes on. People used to have respect for life & now it just seems that people really don't care anymore. People have the capacity to be nasty individuals now.[/p][/quote]You seem to have changed your tune since lastvweeks comments about the derby road area. KSO16R
  • Score: 0

9:03pm Tue 12 Aug 14

MisterGrimsdale says...

country bird wrote:
Its appaling how they have been treated.
HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is.
I know you've got over 30 likes but a single lib dem voter somewhere feels that our taxes must no longer be spent on ourselves but be spent on others so you are all outvoted.
[quote][p][bold]country bird[/bold] wrote: Its appaling how they have been treated. HOWEVER, we need to send them back to their respective countries immediately as we do not need any more immigrants in our country, its over run as it is.[/p][/quote]I know you've got over 30 likes but a single lib dem voter somewhere feels that our taxes must no longer be spent on ourselves but be spent on others so you are all outvoted. MisterGrimsdale
  • Score: -2

9:06pm Tue 12 Aug 14

elfow77 says...

deepheat wrote:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that

“No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.”

To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.
This may be true... but if you see my previous ... i know these people, and it is not 8 people " RESCUED" it is one person taken away against their will be police, away from their friends , their home, their legal employment.... yes they are from another country... no we do not know if it was on a visa, but NO i repeat .... NO, it was not on slavery charges, no violence, no chains... If they want to leave they can, if they want to go to the pub after... THEY CAN.... If you think a free home, free rent, free food, a job, and money to go to the pub with is slavery then what word do you all live in?
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that “No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.” To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.[/p][/quote]This may be true... but if you see my previous ... i know these people, and it is not 8 people " RESCUED" it is one person taken away against their will be police, away from their friends , their home, their legal employment.... yes they are from another country... no we do not know if it was on a visa, but NO i repeat .... NO, it was not on slavery charges, no violence, no chains... If they want to leave they can, if they want to go to the pub after... THEY CAN.... If you think a free home, free rent, free food, a job, and money to go to the pub with is slavery then what word do you all live in? elfow77
  • Score: -6

9:24pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Popcorn Sutton says...

KSO16R wrote:
Popcorn Sutton wrote:
The whole darn world has gone crazy now.
People killing others because they worship a different God, The people at the head of the country fiddling with money & children, corrupt judges & police & the list goes on.
People used to have respect for life & now it just seems that people really don't care anymore.
People have the capacity to be nasty individuals now.
You seem to have changed your tune since lastvweeks comments about the derby road area.
It's a different thing all together but I do tend to sound off after a few drinks but there is 'having a pop' about some old tosh down Derby road but this sort of thing, Syria & bent self serving Politicians are on a higher level than some old documentary.
It used to be that people wouldn't dream of taking another persons life but now it seems that there are no boundaries.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Popcorn Sutton[/bold] wrote: The whole darn world has gone crazy now. People killing others because they worship a different God, The people at the head of the country fiddling with money & children, corrupt judges & police & the list goes on. People used to have respect for life & now it just seems that people really don't care anymore. People have the capacity to be nasty individuals now.[/p][/quote]You seem to have changed your tune since lastvweeks comments about the derby road area.[/p][/quote]It's a different thing all together but I do tend to sound off after a few drinks but there is 'having a pop' about some old tosh down Derby road but this sort of thing, Syria & bent self serving Politicians are on a higher level than some old documentary. It used to be that people wouldn't dream of taking another persons life but now it seems that there are no boundaries. Popcorn Sutton
  • Score: 0

11:06pm Tue 12 Aug 14

solomum says...

elfow77 wrote:
Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on!
Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment..........
.. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.
[quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on![/p][/quote]Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment.......... .. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then. solomum
  • Score: 5

7:52am Wed 13 Aug 14

lastminmoran says...

THE last BRITISH colony is in action!........The top turn round and do that thing dogs do after a rogue poo on someone else's lawn! scuff the two back legs and try to cover up the unwelcome gift! HAVE YOU NOTICED SINCE BOTH WAR TIME GENERATIONS HAVE PASSED AWAY, our leaders who never tire of saying sorry for abusing the like of IRELAND AND AFRICA,and then add we must make sure slavery must never happen again!...turn around dust down the the old pals act and start all over again!
THE last BRITISH colony is in action!........The top turn round and do that thing dogs do after a rogue poo on someone else's lawn! scuff the two back legs and try to cover up the unwelcome gift! HAVE YOU NOTICED SINCE BOTH WAR TIME GENERATIONS HAVE PASSED AWAY, our leaders who never tire of saying sorry for abusing the like of IRELAND AND AFRICA,and then add we must make sure slavery must never happen again!...turn around dust down the the old pals act and start all over again! lastminmoran
  • Score: 1

8:35am Wed 13 Aug 14

Block41row0sfc says...

Frank28 wrote:
Shocked to learn that this is happening here. People come to this country with so many dreams, only for them to be turned into a living nightmare. Well done for stopping this exploitation.
As a child I had so many dreams I grew up, got a job and they were ruined.
[quote][p][bold]Frank28[/bold] wrote: Shocked to learn that this is happening here. People come to this country with so many dreams, only for them to be turned into a living nightmare. Well done for stopping this exploitation.[/p][/quote]As a child I had so many dreams I grew up, got a job and they were ruined. Block41row0sfc
  • Score: 1

8:39am Wed 13 Aug 14

Block41row0sfc says...

andyfidler1966 wrote:
The country certainly is over-run...over-run with racist scumbags who want to further victimise the victims of crime. Since you all clearly hate Britain, and the British legal system, why don't you move to another country. As far away as possible please...
Are you for real. There is a reason why all these other country's are like they are. Then they try bringing moronic traditions here. The Eastern Europeans included with there 100+ bonkers days off a year for pathetic reasons.
[quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: The country certainly is over-run...over-run with racist scumbags who want to further victimise the victims of crime. Since you all clearly hate Britain, and the British legal system, why don't you move to another country. As far away as possible please...[/p][/quote]Are you for real. There is a reason why all these other country's are like they are. Then they try bringing moronic traditions here. The Eastern Europeans included with there 100+ bonkers days off a year for pathetic reasons. Block41row0sfc
  • Score: -2

8:44am Wed 13 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
deepheat wrote:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that

“No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.”

To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.
Sounds like what our Governments have been leading us to for the last 34 years.
It's where governments have been leading YOU to for 34 years while the rest of the population, unencumbered by your blinkered and jaundiced view of life, has moved with the times.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that “No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.” To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.[/p][/quote]Sounds like what our Governments have been leading us to for the last 34 years.[/p][/quote]It's where governments have been leading YOU to for 34 years while the rest of the population, unencumbered by your blinkered and jaundiced view of life, has moved with the times. Torchie1
  • Score: 0

9:02am Wed 13 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

andyfidler1966 wrote:
The country certainly is over-run...over-run with racist scumbags who want to further victimise the victims of crime. Since you all clearly hate Britain, and the British legal system, why don't you move to another country. As far away as possible please...
You're the socialist. And of course you're also the "scumbag". Why not you clear off to North Korea for a bit of pure socialism and absolutely no "rac-ism" nor, indeed any worry about immigration?
If elfow 77 is correct "They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller" then the allegation is that one immigrant is being beastly to other immigrants, as I said was possible in my first post. All the "slavery" and "trafficking" tosh is just the flavour of the month in current sad, centre-left Little Britain and should be wrapping fish & chips by now except for elf n safety.
[quote][p][bold]andyfidler1966[/bold] wrote: The country certainly is over-run...over-run with racist scumbags who want to further victimise the victims of crime. Since you all clearly hate Britain, and the British legal system, why don't you move to another country. As far away as possible please...[/p][/quote]You're the socialist. And of course you're also the "scumbag". Why not you clear off to North Korea for a bit of pure socialism and absolutely no "rac-ism" nor, indeed any worry about immigration? If elfow 77 is correct "They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller" then the allegation is that one immigrant is being beastly to other immigrants, as I said was possible in my first post. All the "slavery" and "trafficking" tosh is just the flavour of the month in current sad, centre-left Little Britain and should be wrapping fish & chips by now except for elf n safety. Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

10:16am Wed 13 Aug 14

skeptik says...

The world changes sometimes slowly at times of economic duress it quickens up. Folk try to follow the money. Many of our best want to get out and leave a low wage economy behind - others make decisions to come here - problem appears to be that whilst we wish to do things in isolation the world will carry on with or without us on board. Do we try and move the immovable or adapt to the way of the world? There will for sure be plenty of disagreement.
The world changes sometimes slowly at times of economic duress it quickens up. Folk try to follow the money. Many of our best want to get out and leave a low wage economy behind - others make decisions to come here - problem appears to be that whilst we wish to do things in isolation the world will carry on with or without us on board. Do we try and move the immovable or adapt to the way of the world? There will for sure be plenty of disagreement. skeptik
  • Score: 1

12:28pm Wed 13 Aug 14

elfow77 says...

solomum wrote:
elfow77 wrote:
Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on!
Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment..........

.. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.
Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery?
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on![/p][/quote]Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment.......... .. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.[/p][/quote]Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery? elfow77
  • Score: 1

1:16pm Wed 13 Aug 14

southy says...

Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
deepheat wrote:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that

“No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.”

To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.
Sounds like what our Governments have been leading us to for the last 34 years.
It's where governments have been leading YOU to for 34 years while the rest of the population, unencumbered by your blinkered and jaundiced view of life, has moved with the times.
Yes move on with the times is right just like lambs to the slaughter, your to blind to see what is really happening in the world.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that “No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.” To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.[/p][/quote]Sounds like what our Governments have been leading us to for the last 34 years.[/p][/quote]It's where governments have been leading YOU to for 34 years while the rest of the population, unencumbered by your blinkered and jaundiced view of life, has moved with the times.[/p][/quote]Yes move on with the times is right just like lambs to the slaughter, your to blind to see what is really happening in the world. southy
  • Score: -2

2:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

solomum says...

elfow77 wrote:
solomum wrote:
elfow77 wrote:
Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on!
Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment..........


.. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.
Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery?
So how much is 2 months pay then? Also, you are saying that these men (Romanians, polish and Latvians) all own Council Houses up north, yet they choose to come to Totton and earn a pittance during the summer. Something is not adding up here. There again from what you are saying, you are involved in this exploitation. So how much do you earn in comparison to those who are doing the hard labour?
[quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on![/p][/quote]Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment.......... .. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.[/p][/quote]Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery?[/p][/quote]So how much is 2 months pay then? Also, you are saying that these men (Romanians, polish and Latvians) all own Council Houses up north, yet they choose to come to Totton and earn a pittance during the summer. Something is not adding up here. There again from what you are saying, you are involved in this exploitation. So how much do you earn in comparison to those who are doing the hard labour? solomum
  • Score: 0

2:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

southy wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
southy wrote:
deepheat wrote:
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that

“No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.”

To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.
Sounds like what our Governments have been leading us to for the last 34 years.
It's where governments have been leading YOU to for 34 years while the rest of the population, unencumbered by your blinkered and jaundiced view of life, has moved with the times.
Yes move on with the times is right just like lambs to the slaughter, your to blind to see what is really happening in the world.
Sadly the Tusc version of reality was explained to the voters of Eastleigh and larger number chose to vote for 'Elvis Loves Pets' and the 'Beer, Baccy & Crumpet' party, which could mean that the Tusc message isn't getting through, or they saw Tusc as a bit of a joke that only 35 voted for. Is it time for you to pop along to Specsavers to help you see what's going on around you because no-one else seems to be seeing it?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 states that “No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.” To be a slave is to be controlled by another person or persons so that your will does not determine your life's course, and rewards for your work and sacrifices are not yours to claim. According to Kevin Bales, one of the world's leading experts on contemporary slavery, "people are enslaved by violence and held against their wills for purposes of exploitation." While people today most likely believe that slavery is a thing of the past, the practice is still thriving wherever poverty, social conditions, and gullibility can be exploited.[/p][/quote]Sounds like what our Governments have been leading us to for the last 34 years.[/p][/quote]It's where governments have been leading YOU to for 34 years while the rest of the population, unencumbered by your blinkered and jaundiced view of life, has moved with the times.[/p][/quote]Yes move on with the times is right just like lambs to the slaughter, your to blind to see what is really happening in the world.[/p][/quote]Sadly the Tusc version of reality was explained to the voters of Eastleigh and larger number chose to vote for 'Elvis Loves Pets' and the 'Beer, Baccy & Crumpet' party, which could mean that the Tusc message isn't getting through, or they saw Tusc as a bit of a joke that only 35 voted for. Is it time for you to pop along to Specsavers to help you see what's going on around you because no-one else seems to be seeing it? Torchie1
  • Score: 1

4:15pm Wed 13 Aug 14

elfow77 says...

solomum wrote:
elfow77 wrote:
solomum wrote:
elfow77 wrote:
Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on!
Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment..........



.. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.
Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery?
So how much is 2 months pay then? Also, you are saying that these men (Romanians, polish and Latvians) all own Council Houses up north, yet they choose to come to Totton and earn a pittance during the summer. Something is not adding up here. There again from what you are saying, you are involved in this exploitation. So how much do you earn in comparison to those who are doing the hard labour?
How much is 2 months rent? Well put it this way I work 40 hours a week on min wage which is just over 200 a week, and they earn more than me, the reason I am involved is down to family and friends on site, I am not a traveller, but knowing these people, they come down here as this is more of a rural area where as they come from a city, in the winter they do building work and warehouse work, in the summer they come down south to do gardens and patio , and you would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden these days!! But again, I'd like you to explain how the fact that these so called 8 men saved were back on site by 4 pm yesterday having a bbq with some beer and laughing about it?
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on![/p][/quote]Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment.......... .. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.[/p][/quote]Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery?[/p][/quote]So how much is 2 months pay then? Also, you are saying that these men (Romanians, polish and Latvians) all own Council Houses up north, yet they choose to come to Totton and earn a pittance during the summer. Something is not adding up here. There again from what you are saying, you are involved in this exploitation. So how much do you earn in comparison to those who are doing the hard labour?[/p][/quote]How much is 2 months rent? Well put it this way I work 40 hours a week on min wage which is just over 200 a week, and they earn more than me, the reason I am involved is down to family and friends on site, I am not a traveller, but knowing these people, they come down here as this is more of a rural area where as they come from a city, in the winter they do building work and warehouse work, in the summer they come down south to do gardens and patio , and you would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden these days!! But again, I'd like you to explain how the fact that these so called 8 men saved were back on site by 4 pm yesterday having a bbq with some beer and laughing about it? elfow77
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5:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Niel says...

Well it must have caused some worries amongst a certain minority group, they were up and about well early this morning conveying people and 'equipment' in their battered white vans in convoy on the A27, and every single driver appeared to be on their hand-held mobile tying to keep together as a group so as to be harder to stop...
Well it must have caused some worries amongst a certain minority group, they were up and about well early this morning conveying people and 'equipment' in their battered white vans in convoy on the A27, and every single driver appeared to be on their hand-held mobile tying to keep together as a group so as to be harder to stop... Niel
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6:20pm Wed 13 Aug 14

solomum says...

elfow77 wrote:
solomum wrote:
elfow77 wrote:
solomum wrote:
elfow77 wrote:
Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on!
Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment..........




.. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.
Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery?
So how much is 2 months pay then? Also, you are saying that these men (Romanians, polish and Latvians) all own Council Houses up north, yet they choose to come to Totton and earn a pittance during the summer. Something is not adding up here. There again from what you are saying, you are involved in this exploitation. So how much do you earn in comparison to those who are doing the hard labour?
How much is 2 months rent? Well put it this way I work 40 hours a week on min wage which is just over 200 a week, and they earn more than me, the reason I am involved is down to family and friends on site, I am not a traveller, but knowing these people, they come down here as this is more of a rural area where as they come from a city, in the winter they do building work and warehouse work, in the summer they come down south to do gardens and patio , and you would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden these days!! But again, I'd like you to explain how the fact that these so called 8 men saved were back on site by 4 pm yesterday having a bbq with some beer and laughing about it?
In a previous post you stated that they earn below the minimum wage, yet now you say they earn more than it. Also you state that I would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden. So, someone is making mega bucks from this and I can bet it is not the ones who the police were concerned for.
[quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on![/p][/quote]Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment.......... .. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.[/p][/quote]Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery?[/p][/quote]So how much is 2 months pay then? Also, you are saying that these men (Romanians, polish and Latvians) all own Council Houses up north, yet they choose to come to Totton and earn a pittance during the summer. Something is not adding up here. There again from what you are saying, you are involved in this exploitation. So how much do you earn in comparison to those who are doing the hard labour?[/p][/quote]How much is 2 months rent? Well put it this way I work 40 hours a week on min wage which is just over 200 a week, and they earn more than me, the reason I am involved is down to family and friends on site, I am not a traveller, but knowing these people, they come down here as this is more of a rural area where as they come from a city, in the winter they do building work and warehouse work, in the summer they come down south to do gardens and patio , and you would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden these days!! But again, I'd like you to explain how the fact that these so called 8 men saved were back on site by 4 pm yesterday having a bbq with some beer and laughing about it?[/p][/quote]In a previous post you stated that they earn below the minimum wage, yet now you say they earn more than it. Also you state that I would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden. So, someone is making mega bucks from this and I can bet it is not the ones who the police were concerned for. solomum
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7:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

solomum wrote:
elfow77 wrote:
solomum wrote:
elfow77 wrote:
solomum wrote:
elfow77 wrote:
Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on!
Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment..........





.. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.
Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery?
So how much is 2 months pay then? Also, you are saying that these men (Romanians, polish and Latvians) all own Council Houses up north, yet they choose to come to Totton and earn a pittance during the summer. Something is not adding up here. There again from what you are saying, you are involved in this exploitation. So how much do you earn in comparison to those who are doing the hard labour?
How much is 2 months rent? Well put it this way I work 40 hours a week on min wage which is just over 200 a week, and they earn more than me, the reason I am involved is down to family and friends on site, I am not a traveller, but knowing these people, they come down here as this is more of a rural area where as they come from a city, in the winter they do building work and warehouse work, in the summer they come down south to do gardens and patio , and you would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden these days!! But again, I'd like you to explain how the fact that these so called 8 men saved were back on site by 4 pm yesterday having a bbq with some beer and laughing about it?
In a previous post you stated that they earn below the minimum wage, yet now you say they earn more than it. Also you state that I would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden. So, someone is making mega bucks from this and I can bet it is not the ones who the police were concerned for.
If you could actually see the source of the posts, I'm confident that you would be looking at a caravan on the Calmore gypsy site.
[quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solomum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elfow77[/bold] wrote: Now I see this story very interesting as I know these so called 'slaves' where they are provided with a free caravan and rent free, yes they are paid a below minimum wage rate, but they use their money to go off site, buy food, socialise at the local pubs, and if they want to leave the employment they can! And no one from site seems to be missing/taken away.... so your guess is as good as mine on that one? They guy from Luton is actually Irish traveller, who has a family and kids who all live on the same caravan site ? Yes slave labour does happen, and hopefully something will change for these workers.. eg. A higher wage?! We don't know, but maybe the police will monitor the site more often from now on![/p][/quote]Your description just shows that they are slaves. Provided with a caravan rent free? No, they are living in a cramped caravan, working long hours for stupidly low pay, which means they will be stuck there as there wages would not be enough for them to better themselves. As for your comment that they could leave the employment.......... .. Where the heck would that leave them. Completely homeless. You seem to be of the opinion that they do not deserve any better. Perhaps you should be put in the same position and see if you still feel the same then.[/p][/quote]Actually no , they can leave when they want, some have moved on before all of this into houses or on to a different site..... long hours ??.. No they work maybe 9 a til around 4 pm, then during this so called long day they fix garden fences, lay patios or drive ways, lay grass, they get free food - lunch and as much watch, tea, coffee, as they want whilst there on the job, then they all come home, to a caravan of their own, they do not share with each other? Then they take their wages and go to the shops to buy normal shopping supplies, like food, tooth paste , then they head to the local pub or off into town to night clubs at weekends, some belong to a local football club as they enjoy to play football.... what I am trying to point out is this whole story is untrue... The only true part of this story was that the site was raided at 6 am yesterday , and took some people away, but All men.....ALL MEN , have been returned after being asked if they want to come back, and I was there when their employer asked them if they wanted to stay or leave with 2 months pay in their pocket, and you ask where would they go? They go to family or friends houses or they go back up north or to Ireland where they all own council houses anyway, they come down here each year to find work during the summer! So explain to me again how this article is true? And how this is slavery?[/p][/quote]So how much is 2 months pay then? Also, you are saying that these men (Romanians, polish and Latvians) all own Council Houses up north, yet they choose to come to Totton and earn a pittance during the summer. Something is not adding up here. There again from what you are saying, you are involved in this exploitation. So how much do you earn in comparison to those who are doing the hard labour?[/p][/quote]How much is 2 months rent? Well put it this way I work 40 hours a week on min wage which is just over 200 a week, and they earn more than me, the reason I am involved is down to family and friends on site, I am not a traveller, but knowing these people, they come down here as this is more of a rural area where as they come from a city, in the winter they do building work and warehouse work, in the summer they come down south to do gardens and patio , and you would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden these days!! But again, I'd like you to explain how the fact that these so called 8 men saved were back on site by 4 pm yesterday having a bbq with some beer and laughing about it?[/p][/quote]In a previous post you stated that they earn below the minimum wage, yet now you say they earn more than it. Also you state that I would be surprised how much someone will pay for their garden. So, someone is making mega bucks from this and I can bet it is not the ones who the police were concerned for.[/p][/quote]If you could actually see the source of the posts, I'm confident that you would be looking at a caravan on the Calmore gypsy site. Torchie1
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7:32pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

"The men have been taken to a survivor reception centre." Manager of "Centre"-£36000. Deputy Manger £27500.PA to manager £18000. Plus index linked pension and 6 months sick on full pay , 6 months on half pay. Do you lot find it impossible to see that this rubbish is just the public sector puffing itself up and being "impossible to do without"?
"Survivor"-for God's sake, give me strength.
"The men have been taken to a survivor reception centre." Manager of "Centre"-£36000. Deputy Manger £27500.PA to manager £18000. Plus index linked pension and 6 months sick on full pay , 6 months on half pay. Do you lot find it impossible to see that this rubbish is just the public sector puffing itself up and being "impossible to do without"? "Survivor"-for God's sake, give me strength. Dai Rear
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2:00pm Thu 14 Aug 14

AnnaBarber1 says...

Jerry Gamble wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?
A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.
How are they illegal, you idiot? Ever heard of the EU? And how people from EU countries can travel freely? The same way you can go on holiday to Bulgaria or Spain and trash up the place and shame your country, they can come over here LEGALLY.
[quote][p][bold]Jerry Gamble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?[/p][/quote]A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.[/p][/quote]How are they illegal, you idiot? Ever heard of the EU? And how people from EU countries can travel freely? The same way you can go on holiday to Bulgaria or Spain and trash up the place and shame your country, they can come over here LEGALLY. AnnaBarber1
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8:58am Fri 15 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

AnnaBarber1 wrote:
Jerry Gamble wrote:
Quentin Heslop wrote:
What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?
A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.
How are they illegal, you idiot? Ever heard of the EU? And how people from EU countries can travel freely? The same way you can go on holiday to Bulgaria or Spain and trash up the place and shame your country, they can come over here LEGALLY.
They can at the moment. One hopes we don't actually have to wait till 2017 for that nonsense to stop. In fact if there's a "yes" vote "oop north" in September Dave can forget Millipede and his talking budgies and call a referendum in October.
But your point is well made. To score maximum points a Chief Constable should have illegals. it's easy; just ask the next lot you stop if they were "trafficked" or "enslaved" and they'll confirm they were, not only that, but all of them will have been born in 1998 or later.
And finally Ms Barber , in the same breath as beseeching you to stop misbehaving in Spain, may I ask certain segments of the Bulgarian Czech Republic and Roumanian populace to cease and desist removing parts of our electricity sub-stations?
[quote][p][bold]AnnaBarber1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry Gamble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quentin Heslop[/bold] wrote: What the heck is a 'survivor reception centre'?[/p][/quote]A 5-Star Hotel for Illegal Immigrants.[/p][/quote]How are they illegal, you idiot? Ever heard of the EU? And how people from EU countries can travel freely? The same way you can go on holiday to Bulgaria or Spain and trash up the place and shame your country, they can come over here LEGALLY.[/p][/quote]They can at the moment. One hopes we don't actually have to wait till 2017 for that nonsense to stop. In fact if there's a "yes" vote "oop north" in September Dave can forget Millipede and his talking budgies and call a referendum in October. But your point is well made. To score maximum points a Chief Constable should have illegals. it's easy; just ask the next lot you stop if they were "trafficked" or "enslaved" and they'll confirm they were, not only that, but all of them will have been born in 1998 or later. And finally Ms Barber , in the same breath as beseeching you to stop misbehaving in Spain, may I ask certain segments of the Bulgarian Czech Republic and Roumanian populace to cease and desist removing parts of our electricity sub-stations? Dai Rear
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8:34pm Sat 23 Aug 14

realistic-usa says...

I think it is fine to let these chaps stay. They have had a rough time and deserve some help to get back on their feet. If any could learn cricket that would be helpful as Hampshire are in a spot of bother just now
I think it is fine to let these chaps stay. They have had a rough time and deserve some help to get back on their feet. If any could learn cricket that would be helpful as Hampshire are in a spot of bother just now realistic-usa
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