'Hell' of false slavery accusation costs business £200,000

Kreshnik Dida and brother Avdi

Kreshnik Dida and brother Avdi

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IT HAS been 'three months of hell' that has cost them their reputation and an estimated £200,000 in lost business.

Kreshnik Dida and his brother Avdi's world came crashing down around them as they found themselves facing charges of slavery after teams of police swooped on 27-year-old's Kreshnik's car wash firm in Bitterne.

Thrown into custody cells for four days, the brothers protested their innocence at every opportunity but they were soon charged with holding ten men as slaves for a period of five months.

The dramatic raid sparked national headlines and soon Kreshnik saw his once thriving business collapse as motorists, once happy to use Dida Car Wash, suddenly associated the name with slavery and avoided at all costs.

But today the two brothers stand acquitted of all the charges before the case even reached trial - after prosecutors revealed they would be offering no evidence against the pair and asked for the case to be dropped.

While the pair are relieved their names have been cleared, they fear the damage already caused to their reputation may never be fixed.

The pair stood in the dock at Southampton Crown Court to hear the Crown Prosecution Service explain that they did not plan to proceed with the case.

The hearing was told that both men faced charges relating to holding ten men in servitude between December 2013 and May 2014 following the raid by police on May 22.

Prosecutor Michael Forster explained while there was “no doubt” then ten men were treated “badly” by the defendants, after receiving the full transcripts from the apparent “victims”, there was not enough evidence to support a realistic hope of conviction.

After the hearing, Kreshnik, who lives in Chandler's Ford with his wife, who he married just a week before the raid, told the Daily Echo that while he is pleased, the lasting effects on his business have been devastating.

Daily Echo:

At its busiest, Dida Car Wash, which he opened in 2009, would see about 120 customers pass through a day but now those numbers have dwindled, which he claims has cost him around £200,000 in lost business.

His insisted that claims that his staff would earn just £5 a week were “rubbish” and insisted his workers can earn up to £420 a week, without including tips.

He said: “It has been three months of hell.

“I work 90 hours a week to make my business a success but that was all destroyed in an instant by the police raid.

“Now people think we are connected to slavery but that is not true. I have never been in trouble before and my employees are my friends, who I treat better than my own brothers.

“How can they be slaves if they are serving the public? Now I am getting messages from those ten men, asking for their jobs back.”

His brother Avdi, 26, has been left even more confused by the ordeal, claiming that he doesn't have any connection with the business and lives in London, only visiting Southampton to visit his family.

The unemployed truck driver said: “This has been the worst time of my life. Our good name has been ruined by all this.

“I was treated like a criminal, yet I thought in this country you were innocent until proven guilty.

“I don't have anything to do with the business and I don't even know who these people are.”

One employee who was supporting the brothers in court was Flavius Avram, who has worked at the car wash for a year.

The 24-year-old added: “It is a good job and Kreshnik is a good boss. He is more like a friend than a boss.”

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6:02am Tue 19 Aug 14

bigfella777 says...

The lost business is more the fact that the new car wash at northam is taking his trade before motorists get to his site at bullar rd, plus they are quicker and cheaper. He should never have made customers drive inside the building that was his downfall.
The lost business is more the fact that the new car wash at northam is taking his trade before motorists get to his site at bullar rd, plus they are quicker and cheaper. He should never have made customers drive inside the building that was his downfall. bigfella777
  • Score: -4

7:31am Tue 19 Aug 14

Leaveitbe says...

bigfella777 wrote:
The lost business is more the fact that the new car wash at northam is taking his trade before motorists get to his site at bullar rd, plus they are quicker and cheaper. He should never have made customers drive inside the building that was his downfall.
We use the Bitterne car wash and the valeters always seem very happy, if it's raining I know I would rather have my car in the building when being cleaned - especially the inside! It's the best car wash we have used by far. ( no connection to the business except as a very happy customer.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: The lost business is more the fact that the new car wash at northam is taking his trade before motorists get to his site at bullar rd, plus they are quicker and cheaper. He should never have made customers drive inside the building that was his downfall.[/p][/quote]We use the Bitterne car wash and the valeters always seem very happy, if it's raining I know I would rather have my car in the building when being cleaned - especially the inside! It's the best car wash we have used by far. ( no connection to the business except as a very happy customer. Leaveitbe
  • Score: 34

7:51am Tue 19 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly.
Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave"
What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage
Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly. Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave" What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 14

8:29am Tue 19 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly.
Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave"
What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage
It probably was made repeatedly over the last 30 years. Just no one took any notice until now. First something is ridiculed. Then it is attacked. Then it is universally accepted as true. We're at the second part.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly. Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave" What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage[/p][/quote]It probably was made repeatedly over the last 30 years. Just no one took any notice until now. First something is ridiculed. Then it is attacked. Then it is universally accepted as true. We're at the second part. userds5050
  • Score: 8

8:48am Tue 19 Aug 14

Hastagger says...

userds5050 wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly.
Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave"
What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage
It probably was made repeatedly over the last 30 years. Just no one took any notice until now. First something is ridiculed. Then it is attacked. Then it is universally accepted as true. We're at the second part.
Then, part four, it is seen to be a fallacy.

#fact
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly. Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave" What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage[/p][/quote]It probably was made repeatedly over the last 30 years. Just no one took any notice until now. First something is ridiculed. Then it is attacked. Then it is universally accepted as true. We're at the second part.[/p][/quote]Then, part four, it is seen to be a fallacy. #fact Hastagger
  • Score: 2

9:28am Tue 19 Aug 14

sotonboy84 says...

There must have been some evidence for the police to make the arrests, just not enough to charge.

There was one of ten employees supporting the brothers so what about the other nine. Whistle blowing from some of them perhaps?
There must have been some evidence for the police to make the arrests, just not enough to charge. There was one of ten employees supporting the brothers so what about the other nine. Whistle blowing from some of them perhaps? sotonboy84
  • Score: 20

9:45am Tue 19 Aug 14

userds5050 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
There must have been some evidence for the police to make the arrests, just not enough to charge.

There was one of ten employees supporting the brothers so what about the other nine. Whistle blowing from some of them perhaps?
They did charge them. Then failed to produce any evidence when it went to court.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: There must have been some evidence for the police to make the arrests, just not enough to charge. There was one of ten employees supporting the brothers so what about the other nine. Whistle blowing from some of them perhaps?[/p][/quote]They did charge them. Then failed to produce any evidence when it went to court. userds5050
  • Score: 1

9:54am Tue 19 Aug 14

sotonboy84 says...

userds5050 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
There must have been some evidence for the police to make the arrests, just not enough to charge.

There was one of ten employees supporting the brothers so what about the other nine. Whistle blowing from some of them perhaps?
They did charge them. Then failed to produce any evidence when it went to court.
Apologies. But the article doesn't say there was no evidence, just not enough to support a realistic conviction.

All I'm saying is the police don't make arrests like this for nothing & the prosecutor says there's no doubt the men were treated badly so this case is more complex than the black & white reporting of a local newspaper.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: There must have been some evidence for the police to make the arrests, just not enough to charge. There was one of ten employees supporting the brothers so what about the other nine. Whistle blowing from some of them perhaps?[/p][/quote]They did charge them. Then failed to produce any evidence when it went to court.[/p][/quote]Apologies. But the article doesn't say there was no evidence, just not enough to support a realistic conviction. All I'm saying is the police don't make arrests like this for nothing & the prosecutor says there's no doubt the men were treated badly so this case is more complex than the black & white reporting of a local newspaper. sotonboy84
  • Score: 18

10:05am Tue 19 Aug 14

mooky9 says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly.
Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave"
What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage
Expect much more of what, people commenting on things they don't know about!? The NCA and immigration take the lead on trafficking and slavery, not the Police. The CPS decide on charges, not the Police and the politicians seem to decide what to tell the Police to do, they are supposed to be independent of parliament but that obviously isn't good enough for the political elite who seem to want them to do their bidding but when the finger points at them it's just an 'error of judgement' or an oversight. You are right we are weak to put up with that, but rather than take an easy pot shot at the Police how about we look at the real issue - politicians.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly. Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave" What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage[/p][/quote]Expect much more of what, people commenting on things they don't know about!? The NCA and immigration take the lead on trafficking and slavery, not the Police. The CPS decide on charges, not the Police and the politicians seem to decide what to tell the Police to do, they are supposed to be independent of parliament but that obviously isn't good enough for the political elite who seem to want them to do their bidding but when the finger points at them it's just an 'error of judgement' or an oversight. You are right we are weak to put up with that, but rather than take an easy pot shot at the Police how about we look at the real issue - politicians. mooky9
  • Score: 2

10:40am Tue 19 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Immigrants treating their brethren poorly? What a waste of CPS and police time. Another example of our twisted immigration policy. Let us kick the EU into touch for good. Close our borders and try and revert to a country which is not being bled dry by unwanted and sometimes illegal incumbents. Also, the whole benefits system needs a kick up the rear. Teenage kids being encouraged to procreate many times to get housing. Other young, hardworking kids with no chance of ever having a place to call theirs. What is this and previous Governments doing? apart from buying votes.
Immigrants treating their brethren poorly? What a waste of CPS and police time. Another example of our twisted immigration policy. Let us kick the EU into touch for good. Close our borders and try and revert to a country which is not being bled dry by unwanted and sometimes illegal incumbents. Also, the whole benefits system needs a kick up the rear. Teenage kids being encouraged to procreate many times to get housing. Other young, hardworking kids with no chance of ever having a place to call theirs. What is this and previous Governments doing? apart from buying votes. forest hump
  • Score: 9

11:41am Tue 19 Aug 14

sarfhamton says...

Not exactly found not guilty, more a case of not enough evidence.
Not exactly found not guilty, more a case of not enough evidence. sarfhamton
  • Score: 12

12:43pm Tue 19 Aug 14

S!monOn says...

userds5050 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
There must have been some evidence for the police to make the arrests, just not enough to charge.

There was one of ten employees supporting the brothers so what about the other nine. Whistle blowing from some of them perhaps?
They did charge them. Then failed to produce any evidence when it went to court.
Or the evidence thought they had better keep quiet....
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: There must have been some evidence for the police to make the arrests, just not enough to charge. There was one of ten employees supporting the brothers so what about the other nine. Whistle blowing from some of them perhaps?[/p][/quote]They did charge them. Then failed to produce any evidence when it went to court.[/p][/quote]Or the evidence thought they had better keep quiet.... S!monOn
  • Score: -7

1:16pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Outside of the Box says...

Not enough evidence to secure a conviction, the CPS make a judgement call, that is why the case was dropped, that doesn't mean it didn't happen it means the CPS didn't think it could secure a conviction so saved the taxpayer some money by not pursuing the brothers.

I cannot believe they're complaining out justice, innocent until proven guilty is the law in this land and that is exactly what has happened in this case, as for the men who have messaged asking for their jobs back, we only have their word for it.
Not enough evidence to secure a conviction, the CPS make a judgement call, that is why the case was dropped, that doesn't mean it didn't happen it means the CPS didn't think it could secure a conviction so saved the taxpayer some money by not pursuing the brothers. I cannot believe they're complaining out justice, innocent until proven guilty is the law in this land and that is exactly what has happened in this case, as for the men who have messaged asking for their jobs back, we only have their word for it. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 2

2:06pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Woolston ollie says...

forest hump wrote:
Immigrants treating their brethren poorly? What a waste of CPS and police time. Another example of our twisted immigration policy. Let us kick the EU into touch for good. Close our borders and try and revert to a country which is not being bled dry by unwanted and sometimes illegal incumbents. Also, the whole benefits system needs a kick up the rear. Teenage kids being encouraged to procreate many times to get housing. Other young, hardworking kids with no chance of ever having a place to call theirs. What is this and previous Governments doing? apart from buying votes.
Im with you all the way Forest well said
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Immigrants treating their brethren poorly? What a waste of CPS and police time. Another example of our twisted immigration policy. Let us kick the EU into touch for good. Close our borders and try and revert to a country which is not being bled dry by unwanted and sometimes illegal incumbents. Also, the whole benefits system needs a kick up the rear. Teenage kids being encouraged to procreate many times to get housing. Other young, hardworking kids with no chance of ever having a place to call theirs. What is this and previous Governments doing? apart from buying votes.[/p][/quote]Im with you all the way Forest well said Woolston ollie
  • Score: -1

3:45pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

mooky9 wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly.
Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave"
What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage
Expect much more of what, people commenting on things they don't know about!? The NCA and immigration take the lead on trafficking and slavery, not the Police. The CPS decide on charges, not the Police and the politicians seem to decide what to tell the Police to do, they are supposed to be independent of parliament but that obviously isn't good enough for the political elite who seem to want them to do their bidding but when the finger points at them it's just an 'error of judgement' or an oversight. You are right we are weak to put up with that, but rather than take an easy pot shot at the Police how about we look at the real issue - politicians.
No. At Hendon they used to be told, in the 60's "you're entitled to arrest anyone except the Queen" And rather than sheep-like pursuit of the momentary political fad, be it "human trafficking", "modern slavery" "ancient sexual misdemeanour", "cottaging" (a previous favourite) etc etc, it's up to the police to say "look we've barely got enough coppers to keep the streets non-violent and catch those who break in on citizens' homes. If you want us to pursue your fad, e.g. News of the Screws listening into 2 Jags pizza orders, then expect it to be extremely low priority-sometime in the 22nd century for example, because if you choose to criminalize everything you've got to understand that most people only care, rightly, about what was criminal around 1976, not all the millions of crimes you've made up since"
As for the CPS Crown Court Department, words fail me. What odds are Ladbrokes giving on CPS lasting till 2016?
[quote][p][bold]mooky9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly. Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave" What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage[/p][/quote]Expect much more of what, people commenting on things they don't know about!? The NCA and immigration take the lead on trafficking and slavery, not the Police. The CPS decide on charges, not the Police and the politicians seem to decide what to tell the Police to do, they are supposed to be independent of parliament but that obviously isn't good enough for the political elite who seem to want them to do their bidding but when the finger points at them it's just an 'error of judgement' or an oversight. You are right we are weak to put up with that, but rather than take an easy pot shot at the Police how about we look at the real issue - politicians.[/p][/quote]No. At Hendon they used to be told, in the 60's "you're entitled to arrest anyone except the Queen" And rather than sheep-like pursuit of the momentary political fad, be it "human trafficking", "modern slavery" "ancient sexual misdemeanour", "cottaging" (a previous favourite) etc etc, it's up to the police to say "look we've barely got enough coppers to keep the streets non-violent and catch those who break in on citizens' homes. If you want us to pursue your fad, e.g. News of the Screws listening into 2 Jags pizza orders, then expect it to be extremely low priority-sometime in the 22nd century for example, because if you choose to criminalize everything you've got to understand that most people only care, rightly, about what was criminal around 1976, not all the millions of crimes you've made up since" As for the CPS Crown Court Department, words fail me. What odds are Ladbrokes giving on CPS lasting till 2016? Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: -4

5:08pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham says...

So, Mr Dida and your bother, where are you from, exactly? I mean you surely weren't born in Southampton, or the UK, come to that.

In my personal opinion, nobody should use any business - car wash or otherwise - which isn't owned by a British person or at least, a person who was a citizen of an EU State as of 2003 or earlier.

If anyone thinks this is "racist" or "discriminatory" for one second - they can get lost right now, because it is NOT.

I abhor such views, and I'd hope that most people reading this article also find them as repugnant as I do.

This is, however, quite simply a statement of pure economic FACTS and COMMON SENSE - in a nutshell, it relates to the FACT that NO former Soviet-Bloc nation should have been allowed access to the EU at such an early stage (at least thirty years premature, in my opinion). Doing so has wrecked the whole EU project, swamped us with an unmanageable population increase, especially in the Solent area, and caused unimaginable infrastructural and social problems.

Therefore, speaking as a former enthusiast for greater EU integration, I now say to everyone - vote UKIP!!!
So, Mr Dida and your bother, where are you from, exactly? I mean you surely weren't born in Southampton, or the UK, come to that. In my personal opinion, nobody should use any business - car wash or otherwise - which isn't owned by a British person or at least, a person who was a citizen of an EU State as of 2003 or earlier. If anyone thinks this is "racist" or "discriminatory" for one second - they can get lost right now, because it is NOT. I abhor such views, and I'd hope that most people reading this article also find them as repugnant as I do. This is, however, quite simply a statement of pure economic FACTS and COMMON SENSE - in a nutshell, it relates to the FACT that NO former Soviet-Bloc nation should have been allowed access to the EU at such an early stage (at least thirty years premature, in my opinion). Doing so has wrecked the whole EU project, swamped us with an unmanageable population increase, especially in the Solent area, and caused unimaginable infrastructural and social problems. Therefore, speaking as a former enthusiast for greater EU integration, I now say to everyone - vote UKIP!!! Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham
  • Score: -6

5:12pm Tue 19 Aug 14

wwozzer says...

bullarboy wrote:
Vast exaggeration on the 'lost business' here - Even at £10 per car (most choose £6 option) weekly turnover would be 120 x £10 x 7 days = £8,400 per week or around £100,000 over the 3 months - and that's being very optimistic! - Hope they aren't pursuing the police for 'lost business' now!? I vowed never to use this place again when (before the raid) the guy on the right of the picture went crazy at an employee for not wiping the inside of my door properly to the point where the trembling guy flinched away - Made me feel very uncomfortable.
What he probably meant was would have put 200 grand through the business in that period and it would have come out the other end very clean indeed!

You certainly don't earn that kind of munge washing motors, never in a million years.
[quote][p][bold]bullarboy[/bold] wrote: Vast exaggeration on the 'lost business' here - Even at £10 per car (most choose £6 option) weekly turnover would be 120 x £10 x 7 days = £8,400 per week or around £100,000 over the 3 months - and that's being very optimistic! - Hope they aren't pursuing the police for 'lost business' now!? I vowed never to use this place again when (before the raid) the guy on the right of the picture went crazy at an employee for not wiping the inside of my door properly to the point where the trembling guy flinched away - Made me feel very uncomfortable.[/p][/quote]What he probably meant was would have put 200 grand through the business in that period and it would have come out the other end very clean indeed! You certainly don't earn that kind of munge washing motors, never in a million years. wwozzer
  • Score: 0

5:47pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Burt HInkler says...

Well i hope these charlatans are paying their taxes ! as if

This car wash has been raided twice and on both occasions illegal workers where fond working. You then have those workers unwilling to make statements.
Well i hope these charlatans are paying their taxes ! as if This car wash has been raided twice and on both occasions illegal workers where fond working. You then have those workers unwilling to make statements. Burt HInkler
  • Score: -1

5:56pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
mooky9 wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly.
Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave"
What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage
Expect much more of what, people commenting on things they don't know about!? The NCA and immigration take the lead on trafficking and slavery, not the Police. The CPS decide on charges, not the Police and the politicians seem to decide what to tell the Police to do, they are supposed to be independent of parliament but that obviously isn't good enough for the political elite who seem to want them to do their bidding but when the finger points at them it's just an 'error of judgement' or an oversight. You are right we are weak to put up with that, but rather than take an easy pot shot at the Police how about we look at the real issue - politicians.
No. At Hendon they used to be told, in the 60's "you're entitled to arrest anyone except the Queen" And rather than sheep-like pursuit of the momentary political fad, be it "human trafficking", "modern slavery" "ancient sexual misdemeanour", "cottaging" (a previous favourite) etc etc, it's up to the police to say "look we've barely got enough coppers to keep the streets non-violent and catch those who break in on citizens' homes. If you want us to pursue your fad, e.g. News of the Screws listening into 2 Jags pizza orders, then expect it to be extremely low priority-sometime in the 22nd century for example, because if you choose to criminalize everything you've got to understand that most people only care, rightly, about what was criminal around 1976, not all the millions of crimes you've made up since"
As for the CPS Crown Court Department, words fail me. What odds are Ladbrokes giving on CPS lasting till 2016?
No idea if Ladbrokes would take a bet on such a potential outcome, BUT the CPS will still be with us a loooong time after 2016, Lord P - the livelihoods of too many otherwise unemployable bad lawyers depends upon it!
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooky9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly. Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave" What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage[/p][/quote]Expect much more of what, people commenting on things they don't know about!? The NCA and immigration take the lead on trafficking and slavery, not the Police. The CPS decide on charges, not the Police and the politicians seem to decide what to tell the Police to do, they are supposed to be independent of parliament but that obviously isn't good enough for the political elite who seem to want them to do their bidding but when the finger points at them it's just an 'error of judgement' or an oversight. You are right we are weak to put up with that, but rather than take an easy pot shot at the Police how about we look at the real issue - politicians.[/p][/quote]No. At Hendon they used to be told, in the 60's "you're entitled to arrest anyone except the Queen" And rather than sheep-like pursuit of the momentary political fad, be it "human trafficking", "modern slavery" "ancient sexual misdemeanour", "cottaging" (a previous favourite) etc etc, it's up to the police to say "look we've barely got enough coppers to keep the streets non-violent and catch those who break in on citizens' homes. If you want us to pursue your fad, e.g. News of the Screws listening into 2 Jags pizza orders, then expect it to be extremely low priority-sometime in the 22nd century for example, because if you choose to criminalize everything you've got to understand that most people only care, rightly, about what was criminal around 1976, not all the millions of crimes you've made up since" As for the CPS Crown Court Department, words fail me. What odds are Ladbrokes giving on CPS lasting till 2016?[/p][/quote]No idea if Ladbrokes would take a bet on such a potential outcome, BUT the CPS will still be with us a loooong time after 2016, Lord P - the livelihoods of too many otherwise unemployable bad lawyers depends upon it! Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham
  • Score: 0

7:10pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

You haven't heard of the truly scrumptious severance payments that Higher Grade Civil Servants get, have you? They'd have no desire to be redeployed, just try to think of ways to spend all the dosh.
You haven't heard of the truly scrumptious severance payments that Higher Grade Civil Servants get, have you? They'd have no desire to be redeployed, just try to think of ways to spend all the dosh. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 2

7:33pm Tue 19 Aug 14

mickey01 says...

I would gladly wash cars for the wages they are willing to pay i dont get much more for a 40 hour week and i have worked for the same company for over 10 years
where do i sign bro s
I would gladly wash cars for the wages they are willing to pay i dont get much more for a 40 hour week and i have worked for the same company for over 10 years where do i sign bro s mickey01
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7:34pm Tue 19 Aug 14

mooky9 says...

Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-G
raham
wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
mooky9 wrote:
Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly.
Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave"
What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage
Expect much more of what, people commenting on things they don't know about!? The NCA and immigration take the lead on trafficking and slavery, not the Police. The CPS decide on charges, not the Police and the politicians seem to decide what to tell the Police to do, they are supposed to be independent of parliament but that obviously isn't good enough for the political elite who seem to want them to do their bidding but when the finger points at them it's just an 'error of judgement' or an oversight. You are right we are weak to put up with that, but rather than take an easy pot shot at the Police how about we look at the real issue - politicians.
No. At Hendon they used to be told, in the 60's "you're entitled to arrest anyone except the Queen" And rather than sheep-like pursuit of the momentary political fad, be it "human trafficking", "modern slavery" "ancient sexual misdemeanour", "cottaging" (a previous favourite) etc etc, it's up to the police to say "look we've barely got enough coppers to keep the streets non-violent and catch those who break in on citizens' homes. If you want us to pursue your fad, e.g. News of the Screws listening into 2 Jags pizza orders, then expect it to be extremely low priority-sometime in the 22nd century for example, because if you choose to criminalize everything you've got to understand that most people only care, rightly, about what was criminal around 1976, not all the millions of crimes you've made up since"
As for the CPS Crown Court Department, words fail me. What odds are Ladbrokes giving on CPS lasting till 2016?
No idea if Ladbrokes would take a bet on such a potential outcome, BUT the CPS will still be with us a loooong time after 2016, Lord P - the livelihoods of too many otherwise unemployable bad lawyers depends upon it!
Hmm the problem is the buck stops with the police, they have to investigate it or people complain, then go after money and then the politicians jump in and slate them, then the press jump in the bandwagon, then a load of low life's riot because they want to destroy a city and steal lots of stuff but come up with a load of rubbish that it's them rebelling as the police don't understand them, the media lap it up then the government bring in more law and legislation to force the police I sit on bean bags and listen to their problems.
We the public need a massive culture change to stop this rot but there doesn't seem to be much appetite for it - guy Fawkes had a point!!
[quote][p][bold]Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-G raham[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mooky9[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: Expect much more of this. The "slavery" and "trafficking" rubbish is the latest agenda of an increasingly politicised police force. Someone broken in on your home? We'll come and see you in a week or two. A 30 year old allegation that could have been made anytime? We'll send EIGHT coppers and a BBC news team- instantly. Every illegal stopped coming into the country is "trafficked" and every one caught afterwards is a "slave" What a weak lot we are to put up with this garbage[/p][/quote]Expect much more of what, people commenting on things they don't know about!? The NCA and immigration take the lead on trafficking and slavery, not the Police. The CPS decide on charges, not the Police and the politicians seem to decide what to tell the Police to do, they are supposed to be independent of parliament but that obviously isn't good enough for the political elite who seem to want them to do their bidding but when the finger points at them it's just an 'error of judgement' or an oversight. You are right we are weak to put up with that, but rather than take an easy pot shot at the Police how about we look at the real issue - politicians.[/p][/quote]No. At Hendon they used to be told, in the 60's "you're entitled to arrest anyone except the Queen" And rather than sheep-like pursuit of the momentary political fad, be it "human trafficking", "modern slavery" "ancient sexual misdemeanour", "cottaging" (a previous favourite) etc etc, it's up to the police to say "look we've barely got enough coppers to keep the streets non-violent and catch those who break in on citizens' homes. If you want us to pursue your fad, e.g. News of the Screws listening into 2 Jags pizza orders, then expect it to be extremely low priority-sometime in the 22nd century for example, because if you choose to criminalize everything you've got to understand that most people only care, rightly, about what was criminal around 1976, not all the millions of crimes you've made up since" As for the CPS Crown Court Department, words fail me. What odds are Ladbrokes giving on CPS lasting till 2016?[/p][/quote]No idea if Ladbrokes would take a bet on such a potential outcome, BUT the CPS will still be with us a loooong time after 2016, Lord P - the livelihoods of too many otherwise unemployable bad lawyers depends upon it![/p][/quote]Hmm the problem is the buck stops with the police, they have to investigate it or people complain, then go after money and then the politicians jump in and slate them, then the press jump in the bandwagon, then a load of low life's riot because they want to destroy a city and steal lots of stuff but come up with a load of rubbish that it's them rebelling as the police don't understand them, the media lap it up then the government bring in more law and legislation to force the police I sit on bean bags and listen to their problems. We the public need a massive culture change to stop this rot but there doesn't seem to be much appetite for it - guy Fawkes had a point!! mooky9
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7:48pm Tue 19 Aug 14

On the inside says...

Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-G
raham
wrote:
So, Mr Dida and your bother, where are you from, exactly? I mean you surely weren't born in Southampton, or the UK, come to that.

In my personal opinion, nobody should use any business - car wash or otherwise - which isn't owned by a British person or at least, a person who was a citizen of an EU State as of 2003 or earlier.

If anyone thinks this is "racist" or "discriminatory" for one second - they can get lost right now, because it is NOT.

I abhor such views, and I'd hope that most people reading this article also find them as repugnant as I do.

This is, however, quite simply a statement of pure economic FACTS and COMMON SENSE - in a nutshell, it relates to the FACT that NO former Soviet-Bloc nation should have been allowed access to the EU at such an early stage (at least thirty years premature, in my opinion). Doing so has wrecked the whole EU project, swamped us with an unmanageable population increase, especially in the Solent area, and caused unimaginable infrastructural and social problems.

Therefore, speaking as a former enthusiast for greater EU integration, I now say to everyone - vote UKIP!!!
Go on then live by your own words do not buy anything from any from, or use services provided by, any company that is not wholly British owned. I'll come to your funeral in about a months time when you have starved.
[quote][p][bold]Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-G raham[/bold] wrote: So, Mr Dida and your bother, where are you from, exactly? I mean you surely weren't born in Southampton, or the UK, come to that. In my personal opinion, nobody should use any business - car wash or otherwise - which isn't owned by a British person or at least, a person who was a citizen of an EU State as of 2003 or earlier. If anyone thinks this is "racist" or "discriminatory" for one second - they can get lost right now, because it is NOT. I abhor such views, and I'd hope that most people reading this article also find them as repugnant as I do. This is, however, quite simply a statement of pure economic FACTS and COMMON SENSE - in a nutshell, it relates to the FACT that NO former Soviet-Bloc nation should have been allowed access to the EU at such an early stage (at least thirty years premature, in my opinion). Doing so has wrecked the whole EU project, swamped us with an unmanageable population increase, especially in the Solent area, and caused unimaginable infrastructural and social problems. Therefore, speaking as a former enthusiast for greater EU integration, I now say to everyone - vote UKIP!!![/p][/quote]Go on then live by your own words do not buy anything from any from, or use services provided by, any company that is not wholly British owned. I'll come to your funeral in about a months time when you have starved. On the inside
  • Score: -2

9:51pm Tue 19 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
forest hump wrote:
Immigrants treating their brethren poorly? What a waste of CPS and police time. Another example of our twisted immigration policy. Let us kick the EU into touch for good. Close our borders and try and revert to a country which is not being bled dry by unwanted and sometimes illegal incumbents. Also, the whole benefits system needs a kick up the rear. Teenage kids being encouraged to procreate many times to get housing. Other young, hardworking kids with no chance of ever having a place to call theirs. What is this and previous Governments doing? apart from buying votes.
Im with you all the way Forest well said
I have silently read some of your comments W O. I have to say I fully agree with your outlook. Unfortunately, there are a few naive, lily livered pansies who frequent this site who cannot deal with the brutal truth, however it is put. All they can whinnie and whine about is racism without fully understanding that nothing could be farther than the truth. All men are equal, period. All men however, are not welcome here to sponge and scrounge and, and, and. We should have a robust policy which distributes the taxpayers funds to those who contributed. No one else.....and I mean no one.
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Immigrants treating their brethren poorly? What a waste of CPS and police time. Another example of our twisted immigration policy. Let us kick the EU into touch for good. Close our borders and try and revert to a country which is not being bled dry by unwanted and sometimes illegal incumbents. Also, the whole benefits system needs a kick up the rear. Teenage kids being encouraged to procreate many times to get housing. Other young, hardworking kids with no chance of ever having a place to call theirs. What is this and previous Governments doing? apart from buying votes.[/p][/quote]Im with you all the way Forest well said[/p][/quote]I have silently read some of your comments W O. I have to say I fully agree with your outlook. Unfortunately, there are a few naive, lily livered pansies who frequent this site who cannot deal with the brutal truth, however it is put. All they can whinnie and whine about is racism without fully understanding that nothing could be farther than the truth. All men are equal, period. All men however, are not welcome here to sponge and scrounge and, and, and. We should have a robust policy which distributes the taxpayers funds to those who contributed. No one else.....and I mean no one. forest hump
  • Score: 0

10:07pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Reality-man says...

Either the Echo have the names the wrong way around on the picture or Avdi is a liar. The one on the right was very much running the business on the several visits that I made there.
Either the Echo have the names the wrong way around on the picture or Avdi is a liar. The one on the right was very much running the business on the several visits that I made there. Reality-man
  • Score: 0

5:54am Wed 20 Aug 14

Woolston ollie says...

forest hump wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
forest hump wrote: Immigrants treating their brethren poorly? What a waste of CPS and police time. Another example of our twisted immigration policy. Let us kick the EU into touch for good. Close our borders and try and revert to a country which is not being bled dry by unwanted and sometimes illegal incumbents. Also, the whole benefits system needs a kick up the rear. Teenage kids being encouraged to procreate many times to get housing. Other young, hardworking kids with no chance of ever having a place to call theirs. What is this and previous Governments doing? apart from buying votes.
Im with you all the way Forest well said
I have silently read some of your comments W O. I have to say I fully agree with your outlook. Unfortunately, there are a few naive, lily livered pansies who frequent this site who cannot deal with the brutal truth, however it is put. All they can whinnie and whine about is racism without fully understanding that nothing could be farther than the truth. All men are equal, period. All men however, are not welcome here to sponge and scrounge and, and, and. We should have a robust policy which distributes the taxpayers funds to those who contributed. No one else.....and I mean no one.
Thanks Forest i was thinking i was the only one on here who can see whats going on, the sooner the happy clappers get out from behind their PCs and see whats going on in our country the better.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: Immigrants treating their brethren poorly? What a waste of CPS and police time. Another example of our twisted immigration policy. Let us kick the EU into touch for good. Close our borders and try and revert to a country which is not being bled dry by unwanted and sometimes illegal incumbents. Also, the whole benefits system needs a kick up the rear. Teenage kids being encouraged to procreate many times to get housing. Other young, hardworking kids with no chance of ever having a place to call theirs. What is this and previous Governments doing? apart from buying votes.[/p][/quote]Im with you all the way Forest well said[/p][/quote]I have silently read some of your comments W O. I have to say I fully agree with your outlook. Unfortunately, there are a few naive, lily livered pansies who frequent this site who cannot deal with the brutal truth, however it is put. All they can whinnie and whine about is racism without fully understanding that nothing could be farther than the truth. All men are equal, period. All men however, are not welcome here to sponge and scrounge and, and, and. We should have a robust policy which distributes the taxpayers funds to those who contributed. No one else.....and I mean no one.[/p][/quote]Thanks Forest i was thinking i was the only one on here who can see whats going on, the sooner the happy clappers get out from behind their PCs and see whats going on in our country the better. Woolston ollie
  • Score: 4

8:02pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham says...

On the inside wrote:
Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-G raham wrote: So, Mr Dida and your bother, where are you from, exactly? I mean you surely weren't born in Southampton, or the UK, come to that. In my personal opinion, nobody should use any business - car wash or otherwise - which isn't owned by a British person or at least, a person who was a citizen of an EU State as of 2003 or earlier. If anyone thinks this is "racist" or "discriminatory" for one second - they can get lost right now, because it is NOT. I abhor such views, and I'd hope that most people reading this article also find them as repugnant as I do. This is, however, quite simply a statement of pure economic FACTS and COMMON SENSE - in a nutshell, it relates to the FACT that NO former Soviet-Bloc nation should have been allowed access to the EU at such an early stage (at least thirty years premature, in my opinion). Doing so has wrecked the whole EU project, swamped us with an unmanageable population increase, especially in the Solent area, and caused unimaginable infrastructural and social problems. Therefore, speaking as a former enthusiast for greater EU integration, I now say to everyone - vote UKIP!!!
Go on then live by your own words do not buy anything from any from, or use services provided by, any company that is not wholly British owned. I'll come to your funeral in about a months time when you have starved.
I see you're a typical knee-jerk reactionary globalist "useful idiot". I also note your comprehension skills are non-existent. Nowhere above did I recommend using a business which wasn't "wholly British owned".

What I did say was this;

"In my personal opinion, nobody should use any business - car wash or otherwise - which isn't owned by a British person or at least, a person who was a citizen of an EU State as of 2003 or earlier."

Oh, and save your shoe leather - no need to come to my funeral. I might just be a rotting corpse at the time, but even decaying cadavers have standards, you know.

Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-G raham[/bold] wrote: So, Mr Dida and your bother, where are you from, exactly? I mean you surely weren't born in Southampton, or the UK, come to that. In my personal opinion, nobody should use any business - car wash or otherwise - which isn't owned by a British person or at least, a person who was a citizen of an EU State as of 2003 or earlier. If anyone thinks this is "racist" or "discriminatory" for one second - they can get lost right now, because it is NOT. I abhor such views, and I'd hope that most people reading this article also find them as repugnant as I do. This is, however, quite simply a statement of pure economic FACTS and COMMON SENSE - in a nutshell, it relates to the FACT that NO former Soviet-Bloc nation should have been allowed access to the EU at such an early stage (at least thirty years premature, in my opinion). Doing so has wrecked the whole EU project, swamped us with an unmanageable population increase, especially in the Solent area, and caused unimaginable infrastructural and social problems. Therefore, speaking as a former enthusiast for greater EU integration, I now say to everyone - vote UKIP!!![/p][/quote]Go on then live by your own words do not buy anything from any from, or use services provided by, any company that is not wholly British owned. I'll come to your funeral in about a months time when you have starved.[/p][/quote]I see you're a typical knee-jerk reactionary globalist "useful idiot". I also note your comprehension skills are non-existent. Nowhere above did I recommend using a business which wasn't "wholly British owned". What I did say was this; "In my personal opinion, nobody should use any business - car wash or otherwise - which isn't owned by a British person or at least, a person who was a citizen of an EU State as of 2003 or earlier." Oh, and save your shoe leather - no need to come to my funeral. I might just be a rotting corpse at the time, but even decaying cadavers have standards, you know. Thank you. Mr-La-De-Da-Gunner-Graham
  • Score: 0

8:54am Thu 21 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

To add to the nonsensical "slavery" and "trafficking" which twopenny ha'penny politicos have dropped on the police we now have house - husbands subjected to "controlling behaviour" by their wives under the latest nincompoopery from a coalition long since bankrupt of common sense.
Why don't ACPO tell them all to stick it?
To add to the nonsensical "slavery" and "trafficking" which twopenny ha'penny politicos have dropped on the police we now have house - husbands subjected to "controlling behaviour" by their wives under the latest nincompoopery from a coalition long since bankrupt of common sense. Why don't ACPO tell them all to stick it? Lord Palmerstone
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