Campaigners fight once again to try and save The Bittern pub

Campaigners fight once again to try and save pub

Campaigners fight once again to try and save pub

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HERE we go again.

Campaigners are preparing for round two in the fight to save an historic city pub after efforts to save it from a global fast food chain were dealt another blow.

Supporters and regulars at The Bittern pub were celebrating just months ago after proposals to turn it into a McDonald’s restaurant and drive through were thrown out by city planners.

But the hamburger giant has thrown its hat back into the ring after lodging an appeal over the decision with the under secretary of state for planning.

McDonald’s lodged a planning application last year to build a two-storey restaurant on the site of the watering hole in Thornhill Park Road.

Supporters of the pub, which has been a staple of the community since the 1930s, rallied together to save the pub from closure.

Their efforts managed to secure the building asset of community value status and there were joyous scenes when Southampton City Council planners rejected McDonald’s proposals.

However the Daily Echo can reveal the restaurant’s appeal will be dealt with by a public inquiry.

Glen McInnes, manager of The Bittern, was notified of the appeal by a letter from the city council and plans to make representations against McDonald’s decision.

He said: “It seems like they are taking no notice of the council.

“It’s upsetting because we thought we had gone past the timescale of when they could appeal.”

A McDonald’s spokesman confirmed the appeal has been lodged and hope to create 65 new jobs if the restaurant is built on the site.

They said: “Having taken on board feedback from our initial application, we have made minor amendments to our plans around highways and access to the site.

“As a business we contribute more than £8 million to the Southampton economy each year and we support over 540 local jobs.

“We are committed to continuing to invest in this area and a new restaurant in Bitterne will enable us to create at least 65 additional jobs.”

Pub’s hospital fundraiser

THE Bittern is holding a fundraising day for Southampton General Hospital.

Live music, a bouncy castle, face painting, and a raffle are just some of the attractions at the Thornhill Park Road venue’s fundraiser on Sunday.

The event, which starts at 2pm, will raise money for the chemotherapy ward at Southampton General Hospital.

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12:12pm Fri 22 Aug 14

Big Mac says...

Compromise. Adapt the pub to incorporate a drive thru – the regulars will be too stoned to even notice – and a nice little earner for the Brewery off passing trade that's too lazy to cook. Result.
Compromise. Adapt the pub to incorporate a drive thru – the regulars will be too stoned to even notice – and a nice little earner for the Brewery off passing trade that's too lazy to cook. Result. Big Mac
  • Score: 0

4:59pm Fri 22 Aug 14

mickey01 says...

If they want to save it and attract more people then may i suggest a makeover might be a good idea as when i drive past it looks like it has closed down already and as the so called locals want to keep it then they should get the paint cans out and brighten the place up
If they want to save it and attract more people then may i suggest a makeover might be a good idea as when i drive past it looks like it has closed down already and as the so called locals want to keep it then they should get the paint cans out and brighten the place up mickey01
  • Score: 6

11:50pm Fri 22 Aug 14

WoolstonSean says...

It has never looked like the sort of pub you would wonder into.
It has never looked like the sort of pub you would wonder into. WoolstonSean
  • Score: 1

1:16am Sat 23 Aug 14

BigBird64 says...

We'll keep fighting. I moved into the area 12 years ago but only started frequenting the Bittern four years ago. What a great bunch of people, these regulars you refer to. They all have hearts of gold.
I personally wouldn't spend a fortune doing the place up to then discover that it's going to be demolished anyway - what a waste of energy and money. Would YOU spend your money like that with the threat of closure over your head? No, I didn't think so.
These regulars you refer to have held MANY charity events and raised money for several charities. This Sunday's fun day is in aid of the Southampton General Hospital's Chemo Ward so that much more comfortable chairs can be purchased for those brave patients undergoing chemo therapy.... That could be anyone of us one day!
How can the Bittern and it's patrons be so viciously put down as so often seems to be the case, when they do such valiant things?
I agree, and admit, I'm a snob and used to turn my nose up at the appearance of the pub and rumours I'd heard but how wrong I was. These are great people and they achieve many great things from the goodness of their hearts.
My wedding celebrations were held there last year and I couldn't have asked for a nicer crowd to make the celebration such a joyous and memorable as it was. They were all genuinely happy for us and helped to make it a fantastic day.
My children are made to feel welcome there and everyone looks out for them. My youngest child is autistic, many people don't understand or have the patience or tolerance to accommodate a person with special needs, but these people love him and treat him like one of the family.

Before any of you start on about drunks, drugs and undesirables, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I've had a private education to the age of 18 so you can't accuse me of being a chav either. However I'm made to feel at home there, I'm welcomed and my children are safe when there and I know anyone of these regulars would stand up and look out for us. That's better than community,that's family!!
Why would anyone want to replace that with junk food, litter, traffic, boy racers and asbo youths?
What about the local traders? McD's will create 65 local jobs? Since when is Eastern Europe local? there is already a McD's two miles away, if that! We already get their litter from Hedge End, why on earth would we want it on our doorstep?
Come on guys and gals, don't sit there mocking and degrading the pub and it's patrons, instead come and join us, help us save it and then we can spend the money on refurbishing it and you too could join 'the family'.
We'll keep fighting. I moved into the area 12 years ago but only started frequenting the Bittern four years ago. What a great bunch of people, these regulars you refer to. They all have hearts of gold. I personally wouldn't spend a fortune doing the place up to then discover that it's going to be demolished anyway - what a waste of energy and money. Would YOU spend your money like that with the threat of closure over your head? No, I didn't think so. These regulars you refer to have held MANY charity events and raised money for several charities. This Sunday's fun day is in aid of the Southampton General Hospital's Chemo Ward so that much more comfortable chairs can be purchased for those brave patients undergoing chemo therapy.... That could be anyone of us one day! How can the Bittern and it's patrons be so viciously put down as so often seems to be the case, when they do such valiant things? I agree, and admit, I'm a snob and used to turn my nose up at the appearance of the pub and rumours I'd heard but how wrong I was. These are great people and they achieve many great things from the goodness of their hearts. My wedding celebrations were held there last year and I couldn't have asked for a nicer crowd to make the celebration such a joyous and memorable as it was. They were all genuinely happy for us and helped to make it a fantastic day. My children are made to feel welcome there and everyone looks out for them. My youngest child is autistic, many people don't understand or have the patience or tolerance to accommodate a person with special needs, but these people love him and treat him like one of the family. Before any of you start on about drunks, drugs and undesirables, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I've had a private education to the age of 18 so you can't accuse me of being a chav either. However I'm made to feel at home there, I'm welcomed and my children are safe when there and I know anyone of these regulars would stand up and look out for us. That's better than community,that's family!! Why would anyone want to replace that with junk food, litter, traffic, boy racers and asbo youths? What about the local traders? McD's will create 65 local jobs? Since when is Eastern Europe local? there is already a McD's two miles away, if that! We already get their litter from Hedge End, why on earth would we want it on our doorstep? Come on guys and gals, don't sit there mocking and degrading the pub and it's patrons, instead come and join us, help us save it and then we can spend the money on refurbishing it and you too could join 'the family'. BigBird64
  • Score: 5

8:47am Sat 23 Aug 14

sotonboy84 says...

BigBird64 wrote:
We'll keep fighting. I moved into the area 12 years ago but only started frequenting the Bittern four years ago. What a great bunch of people, these regulars you refer to. They all have hearts of gold.
I personally wouldn't spend a fortune doing the place up to then discover that it's going to be demolished anyway - what a waste of energy and money. Would YOU spend your money like that with the threat of closure over your head? No, I didn't think so.
These regulars you refer to have held MANY charity events and raised money for several charities. This Sunday's fun day is in aid of the Southampton General Hospital's Chemo Ward so that much more comfortable chairs can be purchased for those brave patients undergoing chemo therapy.... That could be anyone of us one day!
How can the Bittern and it's patrons be so viciously put down as so often seems to be the case, when they do such valiant things?
I agree, and admit, I'm a snob and used to turn my nose up at the appearance of the pub and rumours I'd heard but how wrong I was. These are great people and they achieve many great things from the goodness of their hearts.
My wedding celebrations were held there last year and I couldn't have asked for a nicer crowd to make the celebration such a joyous and memorable as it was. They were all genuinely happy for us and helped to make it a fantastic day.
My children are made to feel welcome there and everyone looks out for them. My youngest child is autistic, many people don't understand or have the patience or tolerance to accommodate a person with special needs, but these people love him and treat him like one of the family.

Before any of you start on about drunks, drugs and undesirables, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I've had a private education to the age of 18 so you can't accuse me of being a chav either. However I'm made to feel at home there, I'm welcomed and my children are safe when there and I know anyone of these regulars would stand up and look out for us. That's better than community,that's family!!
Why would anyone want to replace that with junk food, litter, traffic, boy racers and asbo youths?
What about the local traders? McD's will create 65 local jobs? Since when is Eastern Europe local? there is already a McD's two miles away, if that! We already get their litter from Hedge End, why on earth would we want it on our doorstep?
Come on guys and gals, don't sit there mocking and degrading the pub and it's patrons, instead come and join us, help us save it and then we can spend the money on refurbishing it and you too could join 'the family'.
But from your own comment, 'the family' doesn't include Eastern European workers. Hypocritical & presumptuous. Anybody else not welcome?
[quote][p][bold]BigBird64[/bold] wrote: We'll keep fighting. I moved into the area 12 years ago but only started frequenting the Bittern four years ago. What a great bunch of people, these regulars you refer to. They all have hearts of gold. I personally wouldn't spend a fortune doing the place up to then discover that it's going to be demolished anyway - what a waste of energy and money. Would YOU spend your money like that with the threat of closure over your head? No, I didn't think so. These regulars you refer to have held MANY charity events and raised money for several charities. This Sunday's fun day is in aid of the Southampton General Hospital's Chemo Ward so that much more comfortable chairs can be purchased for those brave patients undergoing chemo therapy.... That could be anyone of us one day! How can the Bittern and it's patrons be so viciously put down as so often seems to be the case, when they do such valiant things? I agree, and admit, I'm a snob and used to turn my nose up at the appearance of the pub and rumours I'd heard but how wrong I was. These are great people and they achieve many great things from the goodness of their hearts. My wedding celebrations were held there last year and I couldn't have asked for a nicer crowd to make the celebration such a joyous and memorable as it was. They were all genuinely happy for us and helped to make it a fantastic day. My children are made to feel welcome there and everyone looks out for them. My youngest child is autistic, many people don't understand or have the patience or tolerance to accommodate a person with special needs, but these people love him and treat him like one of the family. Before any of you start on about drunks, drugs and undesirables, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I've had a private education to the age of 18 so you can't accuse me of being a chav either. However I'm made to feel at home there, I'm welcomed and my children are safe when there and I know anyone of these regulars would stand up and look out for us. That's better than community,that's family!! Why would anyone want to replace that with junk food, litter, traffic, boy racers and asbo youths? What about the local traders? McD's will create 65 local jobs? Since when is Eastern Europe local? there is already a McD's two miles away, if that! We already get their litter from Hedge End, why on earth would we want it on our doorstep? Come on guys and gals, don't sit there mocking and degrading the pub and it's patrons, instead come and join us, help us save it and then we can spend the money on refurbishing it and you too could join 'the family'.[/p][/quote]But from your own comment, 'the family' doesn't include Eastern European workers. Hypocritical & presumptuous. Anybody else not welcome? sotonboy84
  • Score: -2

8:59am Sat 23 Aug 14

BigBird64 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
BigBird64 wrote:
We'll keep fighting. I moved into the area 12 years ago but only started frequenting the Bittern four years ago. What a great bunch of people, these regulars you refer to. They all have hearts of gold.
I personally wouldn't spend a fortune doing the place up to then discover that it's going to be demolished anyway - what a waste of energy and money. Would YOU spend your money like that with the threat of closure over your head? No, I didn't think so.
These regulars you refer to have held MANY charity events and raised money for several charities. This Sunday's fun day is in aid of the Southampton General Hospital's Chemo Ward so that much more comfortable chairs can be purchased for those brave patients undergoing chemo therapy.... That could be anyone of us one day!
How can the Bittern and it's patrons be so viciously put down as so often seems to be the case, when they do such valiant things?
I agree, and admit, I'm a snob and used to turn my nose up at the appearance of the pub and rumours I'd heard but how wrong I was. These are great people and they achieve many great things from the goodness of their hearts.
My wedding celebrations were held there last year and I couldn't have asked for a nicer crowd to make the celebration such a joyous and memorable as it was. They were all genuinely happy for us and helped to make it a fantastic day.
My children are made to feel welcome there and everyone looks out for them. My youngest child is autistic, many people don't understand or have the patience or tolerance to accommodate a person with special needs, but these people love him and treat him like one of the family.

Before any of you start on about drunks, drugs and undesirables, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I've had a private education to the age of 18 so you can't accuse me of being a chav either. However I'm made to feel at home there, I'm welcomed and my children are safe when there and I know anyone of these regulars would stand up and look out for us. That's better than community,that's family!!
Why would anyone want to replace that with junk food, litter, traffic, boy racers and asbo youths?
What about the local traders? McD's will create 65 local jobs? Since when is Eastern Europe local? there is already a McD's two miles away, if that! We already get their litter from Hedge End, why on earth would we want it on our doorstep?
Come on guys and gals, don't sit there mocking and degrading the pub and it's patrons, instead come and join us, help us save it and then we can spend the money on refurbishing it and you too could join 'the family'.
But from your own comment, 'the family' doesn't include Eastern European workers. Hypocritical & presumptuous. Anybody else not welcome?
I didn't say Eastern Europeans aren't welcome, what I said was in relation to 'local jobs' that would be created by McD's ! Good effort though trying to turn it into something it isn't!
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBird64[/bold] wrote: We'll keep fighting. I moved into the area 12 years ago but only started frequenting the Bittern four years ago. What a great bunch of people, these regulars you refer to. They all have hearts of gold. I personally wouldn't spend a fortune doing the place up to then discover that it's going to be demolished anyway - what a waste of energy and money. Would YOU spend your money like that with the threat of closure over your head? No, I didn't think so. These regulars you refer to have held MANY charity events and raised money for several charities. This Sunday's fun day is in aid of the Southampton General Hospital's Chemo Ward so that much more comfortable chairs can be purchased for those brave patients undergoing chemo therapy.... That could be anyone of us one day! How can the Bittern and it's patrons be so viciously put down as so often seems to be the case, when they do such valiant things? I agree, and admit, I'm a snob and used to turn my nose up at the appearance of the pub and rumours I'd heard but how wrong I was. These are great people and they achieve many great things from the goodness of their hearts. My wedding celebrations were held there last year and I couldn't have asked for a nicer crowd to make the celebration such a joyous and memorable as it was. They were all genuinely happy for us and helped to make it a fantastic day. My children are made to feel welcome there and everyone looks out for them. My youngest child is autistic, many people don't understand or have the patience or tolerance to accommodate a person with special needs, but these people love him and treat him like one of the family. Before any of you start on about drunks, drugs and undesirables, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I've had a private education to the age of 18 so you can't accuse me of being a chav either. However I'm made to feel at home there, I'm welcomed and my children are safe when there and I know anyone of these regulars would stand up and look out for us. That's better than community,that's family!! Why would anyone want to replace that with junk food, litter, traffic, boy racers and asbo youths? What about the local traders? McD's will create 65 local jobs? Since when is Eastern Europe local? there is already a McD's two miles away, if that! We already get their litter from Hedge End, why on earth would we want it on our doorstep? Come on guys and gals, don't sit there mocking and degrading the pub and it's patrons, instead come and join us, help us save it and then we can spend the money on refurbishing it and you too could join 'the family'.[/p][/quote]But from your own comment, 'the family' doesn't include Eastern European workers. Hypocritical & presumptuous. Anybody else not welcome?[/p][/quote]I didn't say Eastern Europeans aren't welcome, what I said was in relation to 'local jobs' that would be created by McD's ! Good effort though trying to turn it into something it isn't! BigBird64
  • Score: 7

11:20am Sat 23 Aug 14

The Music Man says...

McDonalds spokesman:

“We are committed to continuing to invest in this area and a new restaurant in Bitterne will enable us to create at least 65 additional jobs.”

If they want a 'restaurant' in BITTERNE they need to continue along Thornhill Park Road for another mile. ... Idiots
McDonalds spokesman: “We are committed to continuing to invest in this area and a new restaurant in Bitterne will enable us to create at least 65 additional jobs.” If they want a 'restaurant' in BITTERNE they need to continue along Thornhill Park Road for another mile. ... Idiots The Music Man
  • Score: 3

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