Councillor's idea could get 'Boris' bikes back on track in the New Forest

BIKE SCHEME: Cllr David Harrison.

BIKE SCHEME: Cllr David Harrison.

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A £2M bike scheme could be back on track after the brakes were applied to initial plans.

The National Park Authority (NPA) had voted against plans for a ‘Boris Bike’-style cycle rental service to be rolled out across the New Forest.

But now a county councillor has come up with a way to resurrect the plans, which would allow the public to hire bicycles to ride around the New Forest, similar to the popular scheme in London nicknamed after mayor Boris Johnson.

Cllr David Harrison wants to roll out the scheme on the edge of the national park – taking it out of the NPA’s control.

The NPA threw out the plans, which would have been paid for with money from central Government, citing concerns over the plan’s business structure and growing ‘anti-cyclist sentiment’ within the Forest.

Support for the project from professional cyclists and a 2,000-signature petition failed to sway members, who were heavily criticised for the decision.

Now Cllr Harrison – who is also a member of the NPA – is tabling a question to the county council and calling upon the executive member for the environment to confirm that there is no reason why officers cannot proceed with the project by placing docking stations outside park boundaries.

He said: “Whilst it is of grave concern that the park authority members tried a few very localised reasons not to proceed in places like Lyndhurst and Brockenhurst, it does not mean that the scheme should not proceed, pretty much as planned.

Hampshire County Council has been backing this to the hilt and unless the Conservatives on that authority are going to justify a U-turn we ought to see the scheme rolled out in places like Totton, Marchwood, Hythe and Lymington.

“I want to see the money made available by Government put to good use.

“Even my fellow park authority members would, I think, find it hard to object to a scheme that is in the New Forest but based just outside the park boundaries.”

Last year the Department for Transport awarded the New Forest NPA £3.57m to support family cycling, and plans were drawn up for 250 bikes to be made available for hire from 20 docking stations.

But members eventually voted against the scheme, saying that an increasing level of anti-cycling sentiment was present in the New Forest following organised mass cycling events.

Cllr Ken Thornber believes that the money would be better spent on improving the existing cycling infrastructure in the Forest.

He said: “To be frank this idea is before its time and before its infrastructure, and I would not approve. I have grave reservations.”

The money remains unused but the Government has set a deadline of March 31, 2015, by which it must be spent.

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10:33am Thu 28 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

Cllr Thornber - get over it.

Brilliant result and the Nimby Pr@ Association can do nothing about it
Cllr Thornber - get over it. Brilliant result and the Nimby Pr@ Association can do nothing about it camerajuan
  • Score: 12

10:56am Thu 28 Aug 14

Woolston ollie says...

Lycra mafia win again i hope not
Lycra mafia win again i hope not Woolston ollie
  • Score: -15

11:49am Thu 28 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
Lycra mafia win again i hope not
There not for the "Lycra brigade" there for families and people without bikes.

What is it with Lycra. I wear a replica football top, sailing gear, climbing gear and lots of other people wear sports based clothing for the sport they are participating in, why is it that only cyclists get abused for wearing clothing designed for the sport they are doing?
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Lycra mafia win again i hope not[/p][/quote]There not for the "Lycra brigade" there for families and people without bikes. What is it with Lycra. I wear a replica football top, sailing gear, climbing gear and lots of other people wear sports based clothing for the sport they are participating in, why is it that only cyclists get abused for wearing clothing designed for the sport they are doing? southamptonadi
  • Score: 15

12:56pm Thu 28 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
Lycra mafia win again i hope not
What is the obsession with Lycra?! Honestly every time someone mentions cycling on here the old "ARGH Lycra Mob! Lycra Nazis!" nonsense comes out. Hankering feelings beneath methinks. Surprised you didn't say middle aged men as well, like thats the only people who cycle in Hampshire.

I cycle in shirt, trousers & shoes to & from work, t-shirts & cargo shorts when just cycling for leisure and lycra shorts & running kit to & from training.

It doesn't matter.

This scheme should never have been quashed and it's a brilliant idea to get families and groups alike into the forest and burning some calories.

People should try exercising sometimes. You feel much better than if you don't. Clothes fit better. People find you more attractive. You're not part of the obesity crisis. What's to hate?
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Lycra mafia win again i hope not[/p][/quote]What is the obsession with Lycra?! Honestly every time someone mentions cycling on here the old "ARGH Lycra Mob! Lycra Nazis!" nonsense comes out. Hankering feelings beneath methinks. Surprised you didn't say middle aged men as well, like thats the only people who cycle in Hampshire. I cycle in shirt, trousers & shoes to & from work, t-shirts & cargo shorts when just cycling for leisure and lycra shorts & running kit to & from training. It doesn't matter. This scheme should never have been quashed and it's a brilliant idea to get families and groups alike into the forest and burning some calories. People should try exercising sometimes. You feel much better than if you don't. Clothes fit better. People find you more attractive. You're not part of the obesity crisis. What's to hate? camerajuan
  • Score: 16

2:41pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Franks Tank says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
Lycra mafia win again i hope not
It must be horrible being a negative person.
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Lycra mafia win again i hope not[/p][/quote]It must be horrible being a negative person. Franks Tank
  • Score: 6

2:46pm Thu 28 Aug 14

fergusdad says...

camerajuan wrote:
Cllr Thornber - get over it.

Brilliant result and the Nimby Pr@ Association can do nothing about it
Except buy tacks
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: Cllr Thornber - get over it. Brilliant result and the Nimby Pr@ Association can do nothing about it[/p][/quote]Except buy tacks fergusdad
  • Score: -8

3:08pm Thu 28 Aug 14

TruthTellerTomIV says...

God i hate bike users
God i hate bike users TruthTellerTomIV
  • Score: -8

3:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

StopMoaningPeople says...

It will be a disaster if we are plagued with this stupid initiative. There's enough bikes already with all the tourists, we don't need this.
It will be a disaster if we are plagued with this stupid initiative. There's enough bikes already with all the tourists, we don't need this. StopMoaningPeople
  • Score: -8

3:59pm Thu 28 Aug 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O
Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: -5

4:05pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Franks Tank says...

TruthTellerTomIV wrote:
God i hate bike users
And another person that goes round living a life of "hate". So sad.
[quote][p][bold]TruthTellerTomIV[/bold] wrote: God i hate bike users[/p][/quote]And another person that goes round living a life of "hate". So sad. Franks Tank
  • Score: 6

4:08pm Thu 28 Aug 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

camerajuan wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Lycra mafia win again i hope not
What is the obsession with Lycra?! Honestly every time someone mentions cycling on here the old "ARGH Lycra Mob! Lycra Nazis!" nonsense comes out. Hankering feelings beneath methinks. Surprised you didn't say middle aged men as well, like thats the only people who cycle in Hampshire.

I cycle in shirt, trousers & shoes to & from work, t-shirts & cargo shorts when just cycling for leisure and lycra shorts & running kit to & from training.

It doesn't matter.

This scheme should never have been quashed and it's a brilliant idea to get families and groups alike into the forest and burning some calories.

People should try exercising sometimes. You feel much better than if you don't. Clothes fit better. People find you more attractive. You're not part of the obesity crisis. What's to hate?
You must stink at work, do your workmates a favour and drive in or take a bus!
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Lycra mafia win again i hope not[/p][/quote]What is the obsession with Lycra?! Honestly every time someone mentions cycling on here the old "ARGH Lycra Mob! Lycra Nazis!" nonsense comes out. Hankering feelings beneath methinks. Surprised you didn't say middle aged men as well, like thats the only people who cycle in Hampshire. I cycle in shirt, trousers & shoes to & from work, t-shirts & cargo shorts when just cycling for leisure and lycra shorts & running kit to & from training. It doesn't matter. This scheme should never have been quashed and it's a brilliant idea to get families and groups alike into the forest and burning some calories. People should try exercising sometimes. You feel much better than if you don't. Clothes fit better. People find you more attractive. You're not part of the obesity crisis. What's to hate?[/p][/quote]You must stink at work, do your workmates a favour and drive in or take a bus! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: -4

4:14pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Franks Tank says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O
Spandex was invented in 1959.
"Lycra" is a DuPont brand name.
The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982

Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O[/p][/quote]Spandex was invented in 1959. "Lycra" is a DuPont brand name. The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982 Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day. Franks Tank
  • Score: 3

4:25pm Thu 28 Aug 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Franks Tank wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O
Spandex was invented in 1959.
"Lycra" is a DuPont brand name.
The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982

Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.
Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O[/p][/quote]Spandex was invented in 1959. "Lycra" is a DuPont brand name. The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982 Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.[/p][/quote]Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-) 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 0

4:31pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Franks Tank says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O
Spandex was invented in 1959.
"Lycra" is a DuPont brand name.
The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982

Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.
Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-)
Ladies knickers might be made from cotton, silk or nylon.
Ergo - you wear ladies underwear.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O[/p][/quote]Spandex was invented in 1959. "Lycra" is a DuPont brand name. The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982 Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.[/p][/quote]Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-)[/p][/quote]Ladies knickers might be made from cotton, silk or nylon. Ergo - you wear ladies underwear. Franks Tank
  • Score: 2

4:38pm Thu 28 Aug 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Franks Tank wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O
Spandex was invented in 1959.
"Lycra" is a DuPont brand name.
The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982

Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.
Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-)
Ladies knickers might be made from cotton, silk or nylon.
Ergo - you wear ladies underwear.
One thing I do know for sure is that most cyclists are lacking in two major senses.......ROAD and HUMOUR !!
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O[/p][/quote]Spandex was invented in 1959. "Lycra" is a DuPont brand name. The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982 Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.[/p][/quote]Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-)[/p][/quote]Ladies knickers might be made from cotton, silk or nylon. Ergo - you wear ladies underwear.[/p][/quote]One thing I do know for sure is that most cyclists are lacking in two major senses.......ROAD and HUMOUR !! 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: -10

4:50pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Franks Tank says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O
Spandex was invented in 1959.
"Lycra" is a DuPont brand name.
The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982

Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.
Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-)
Ladies knickers might be made from cotton, silk or nylon.
Ergo - you wear ladies underwear.
One thing I do know for sure is that most cyclists are lacking in two major senses.......ROAD and HUMOUR !!
Oops, have I stumbled upon your "little secret"?
Are you wearing then now?
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O[/p][/quote]Spandex was invented in 1959. "Lycra" is a DuPont brand name. The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982 Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.[/p][/quote]Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-)[/p][/quote]Ladies knickers might be made from cotton, silk or nylon. Ergo - you wear ladies underwear.[/p][/quote]One thing I do know for sure is that most cyclists are lacking in two major senses.......ROAD and HUMOUR !![/p][/quote]Oops, have I stumbled upon your "little secret"? Are you wearing then now? Franks Tank
  • Score: 3

6:57pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Sir Ad E Noid says...

So this initiative is for the New Forest, and they want to roll out these schemes in Hythe, Totton and Marchwood. None of these areas are in the New Forest. I fully support Cllr Ken Thornber in his reservations in moving this forward for the reasons he mentions. Spend the money elsewhere, get the cycle tracks up to a better standard, then, introduce your overpriced hire bikes.
So this initiative is for the New Forest, and they want to roll out these schemes in Hythe, Totton and Marchwood. None of these areas are in the New Forest. I fully support Cllr Ken Thornber in his reservations in moving this forward for the reasons he mentions. Spend the money elsewhere, get the cycle tracks up to a better standard, then, introduce your overpriced hire bikes. Sir Ad E Noid
  • Score: -4

7:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Tulyar says...

Oddly enough I suspect that the bike shafre option might actually be more successful this way, especially for Places like Hythe and Lymington where commuters heading for Southampton might head for the Ferry (car parking at Hythe is limited, and many will only be travelling a couple of miles from where they live to the ferry - bikes left at the pier can be collected for daytime use by visitors and with a careful choice of tariff, should require minimal rebalancing of the bikes during the day.

At Lymington I'd suspect that a day trip to Yarmouth with a bike could be an easier choice than taking a car over for just a day trip.

Indeed with the bike hire centres reporting that they have been practically hired-out the need for more bikes and a better distribution across the Park. Oh well their loss I guess - after all one group of cyclists spent around £10,000 on their camping alone with a New Forest camp site, and 2-3 times more on victualling & entertainment. Cyclists spend that money locally too rather than bring in a car-loaded with their picnic and other gear.
Oddly enough I suspect that the bike shafre option might actually be more successful this way, especially for Places like Hythe and Lymington where commuters heading for Southampton might head for the Ferry (car parking at Hythe is limited, and many will only be travelling a couple of miles from where they live to the ferry - bikes left at the pier can be collected for daytime use by visitors and with a careful choice of tariff, should require minimal rebalancing of the bikes during the day. At Lymington I'd suspect that a day trip to Yarmouth with a bike could be an easier choice than taking a car over for just a day trip. Indeed with the bike hire centres reporting that they have been practically hired-out the need for more bikes and a better distribution across the Park. Oh well their loss I guess - after all one group of cyclists spent around £10,000 on their camping alone with a New Forest camp site, and 2-3 times more on victualling & entertainment. Cyclists spend that money locally too rather than bring in a car-loaded with their picnic and other gear. Tulyar
  • Score: 6

7:51pm Thu 28 Aug 14

100%HANTSBOY says...

Franks Tank wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Franks Tank wrote:
100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O
Spandex was invented in 1959.
"Lycra" is a DuPont brand name.
The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982

Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.
Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-)
Ladies knickers might be made from cotton, silk or nylon.
Ergo - you wear ladies underwear.
One thing I do know for sure is that most cyclists are lacking in two major senses.......ROAD and HUMOUR !!
Oops, have I stumbled upon your "little secret"?
Are you wearing then now?
I wouldn't dare wear nylon keks......not under all this lycra
[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O[/p][/quote]Spandex was invented in 1959. "Lycra" is a DuPont brand name. The word Aerobics wasn't coined until 1968 and the activity known as Aerobics only gained popularity after the release of the Jane Fonda workout video in 1982 Every day's a school day Hantsboy, every day's a school day.[/p][/quote]Wow! Thanks, I bow before thee! But at least you confirm it was worn for womens aerobics at first! ;-)[/p][/quote]Ladies knickers might be made from cotton, silk or nylon. Ergo - you wear ladies underwear.[/p][/quote]One thing I do know for sure is that most cyclists are lacking in two major senses.......ROAD and HUMOUR !![/p][/quote]Oops, have I stumbled upon your "little secret"? Are you wearing then now?[/p][/quote]I wouldn't dare wear nylon keks......not under all this lycra 100%HANTSBOY
  • Score: 4

9:13am Fri 29 Aug 14

Urbane Forager says...

For all the anti cycling idiots...

Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument.

Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites.

To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh?

What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest...

...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ?

Duh?
For all the anti cycling idiots... Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument. Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites. To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh? What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest... ...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ? Duh? Urbane Forager
  • Score: 2

10:23am Fri 29 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Lycra mafia win again i hope not
What is the obsession with Lycra?! Honestly every time someone mentions cycling on here the old "ARGH Lycra Mob! Lycra Nazis!" nonsense comes out. Hankering feelings beneath methinks. Surprised you didn't say middle aged men as well, like thats the only people who cycle in Hampshire.

I cycle in shirt, trousers & shoes to & from work, t-shirts & cargo shorts when just cycling for leisure and lycra shorts & running kit to & from training.

It doesn't matter.

This scheme should never have been quashed and it's a brilliant idea to get families and groups alike into the forest and burning some calories.

People should try exercising sometimes. You feel much better than if you don't. Clothes fit better. People find you more attractive. You're not part of the obesity crisis. What's to hate?
You must stink at work, do your workmates a favour and drive in or take a bus!
What, spend even more money on a car and insurance to drive a mile and a half each morning and possibly get caught in traffic therefore making me late? Or walk 10 minutes to a bus stop get it two stops down the road then walk another 5 minutes to work?

Nah I think I'll stick with my bike. 2400m easy cycle takes 5 mins and not a drop of sweat.

Give it a rest, you sound like a whinging old man.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Lycra mafia win again i hope not[/p][/quote]What is the obsession with Lycra?! Honestly every time someone mentions cycling on here the old "ARGH Lycra Mob! Lycra Nazis!" nonsense comes out. Hankering feelings beneath methinks. Surprised you didn't say middle aged men as well, like thats the only people who cycle in Hampshire. I cycle in shirt, trousers & shoes to & from work, t-shirts & cargo shorts when just cycling for leisure and lycra shorts & running kit to & from training. It doesn't matter. This scheme should never have been quashed and it's a brilliant idea to get families and groups alike into the forest and burning some calories. People should try exercising sometimes. You feel much better than if you don't. Clothes fit better. People find you more attractive. You're not part of the obesity crisis. What's to hate?[/p][/quote]You must stink at work, do your workmates a favour and drive in or take a bus![/p][/quote]What, spend even more money on a car and insurance to drive a mile and a half each morning and possibly get caught in traffic therefore making me late? Or walk 10 minutes to a bus stop get it two stops down the road then walk another 5 minutes to work? Nah I think I'll stick with my bike. 2400m easy cycle takes 5 mins and not a drop of sweat. Give it a rest, you sound like a whinging old man. camerajuan
  • Score: 2

10:27am Fri 29 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

Urbane Forager wrote:
For all the anti cycling idiots...

Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument.

Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites.

To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh?

What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest...

...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ?

Duh?
With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.
[quote][p][bold]Urbane Forager[/bold] wrote: For all the anti cycling idiots... Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument. Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites. To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh? What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest... ...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ? Duh?[/p][/quote]With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%. Torchie1
  • Score: -3

11:07am Fri 29 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

Torchie1 wrote:
Urbane Forager wrote:
For all the anti cycling idiots...

Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument.

Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites.

To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh?

What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest...

...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ?

Duh?
With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.
Taxi mate, we're not idiots!
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Urbane Forager[/bold] wrote: For all the anti cycling idiots... Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument. Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites. To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh? What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest... ...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ? Duh?[/p][/quote]With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.[/p][/quote]Taxi mate, we're not idiots! camerajuan
  • Score: 2

3:45pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

camerajuan wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Urbane Forager wrote:
For all the anti cycling idiots...

Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument.

Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites.

To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh?

What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest...

...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ?

Duh?
With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.
Taxi mate, we're not idiots!
A rather interesting letter has been printed in this weeks Lymington Times written by the proprietor of one of the long established bicycle hire outlets in the tourist honeypot of Lyndhurst. I'll have to bow to his knowledge of these things but he has raised some points that had never occurred to me including the offer of safety advice and appropriate equipment along with a knowledge of the roads and tracks plus the warnings about the more hazardous roads for visitors to be aware of. With the total absence of any of this guidance at a 'pay & pedal' location, Mr Peart is in total agreement with the NPA decision not to waste money on the 'Boris bikes' when it could be used elsewhere. Suggest you read his letter before challenging me over it's contents.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Urbane Forager[/bold] wrote: For all the anti cycling idiots... Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument. Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites. To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh? What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest... ...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ? Duh?[/p][/quote]With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.[/p][/quote]Taxi mate, we're not idiots![/p][/quote]A rather interesting letter has been printed in this weeks Lymington Times written by the proprietor of one of the long established bicycle hire outlets in the tourist honeypot of Lyndhurst. I'll have to bow to his knowledge of these things but he has raised some points that had never occurred to me including the offer of safety advice and appropriate equipment along with a knowledge of the roads and tracks plus the warnings about the more hazardous roads for visitors to be aware of. With the total absence of any of this guidance at a 'pay & pedal' location, Mr Peart is in total agreement with the NPA decision not to waste money on the 'Boris bikes' when it could be used elsewhere. Suggest you read his letter before challenging me over it's contents. Torchie1
  • Score: -1

4:44pm Fri 29 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Urbane Forager wrote:
For all the anti cycling idiots...

Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument.

Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites.

To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh?

What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest...

...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ?

Duh?
With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.
Taxi mate, we're not idiots!
A rather interesting letter has been printed in this weeks Lymington Times written by the proprietor of one of the long established bicycle hire outlets in the tourist honeypot of Lyndhurst. I'll have to bow to his knowledge of these things but he has raised some points that had never occurred to me including the offer of safety advice and appropriate equipment along with a knowledge of the roads and tracks plus the warnings about the more hazardous roads for visitors to be aware of. With the total absence of any of this guidance at a 'pay & pedal' location, Mr Peart is in total agreement with the NPA decision not to waste money on the 'Boris bikes' when it could be used elsewhere. Suggest you read his letter before challenging me over it's contents.
I'm not challenging you at all, I'm saying if its such crappy weather and I need to cart back shopping I'd get a taxi.

Wind your neck in.

I don't care what Mr Peart thinks, 2000 people wanted this and because 12 people didn't then it's not happening in the NF. Well played, way to listen to the people.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Urbane Forager[/bold] wrote: For all the anti cycling idiots... Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument. Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites. To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh? What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest... ...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ? Duh?[/p][/quote]With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.[/p][/quote]Taxi mate, we're not idiots![/p][/quote]A rather interesting letter has been printed in this weeks Lymington Times written by the proprietor of one of the long established bicycle hire outlets in the tourist honeypot of Lyndhurst. I'll have to bow to his knowledge of these things but he has raised some points that had never occurred to me including the offer of safety advice and appropriate equipment along with a knowledge of the roads and tracks plus the warnings about the more hazardous roads for visitors to be aware of. With the total absence of any of this guidance at a 'pay & pedal' location, Mr Peart is in total agreement with the NPA decision not to waste money on the 'Boris bikes' when it could be used elsewhere. Suggest you read his letter before challenging me over it's contents.[/p][/quote]I'm not challenging you at all, I'm saying if its such crappy weather and I need to cart back shopping I'd get a taxi. Wind your neck in. I don't care what Mr Peart thinks, 2000 people wanted this and because 12 people didn't then it's not happening in the NF. Well played, way to listen to the people. camerajuan
  • Score: 2

5:56pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Torchie1 says...

camerajuan wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Urbane Forager wrote:
For all the anti cycling idiots...

Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument.

Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites.

To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh?

What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest...

...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ?

Duh?
With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.
Taxi mate, we're not idiots!
A rather interesting letter has been printed in this weeks Lymington Times written by the proprietor of one of the long established bicycle hire outlets in the tourist honeypot of Lyndhurst. I'll have to bow to his knowledge of these things but he has raised some points that had never occurred to me including the offer of safety advice and appropriate equipment along with a knowledge of the roads and tracks plus the warnings about the more hazardous roads for visitors to be aware of. With the total absence of any of this guidance at a 'pay & pedal' location, Mr Peart is in total agreement with the NPA decision not to waste money on the 'Boris bikes' when it could be used elsewhere. Suggest you read his letter before challenging me over it's contents.
I'm not challenging you at all, I'm saying if its such crappy weather and I need to cart back shopping I'd get a taxi.

Wind your neck in.

I don't care what Mr Peart thinks, 2000 people wanted this and because 12 people didn't then it's not happening in the NF. Well played, way to listen to the people.
No, you're a cyclist and you don't care what anyone else thinks, which is why there are so many different groups in the forest lined up against you.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Urbane Forager[/bold] wrote: For all the anti cycling idiots... Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument. Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites. To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh? What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest... ...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ? Duh?[/p][/quote]With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.[/p][/quote]Taxi mate, we're not idiots![/p][/quote]A rather interesting letter has been printed in this weeks Lymington Times written by the proprietor of one of the long established bicycle hire outlets in the tourist honeypot of Lyndhurst. I'll have to bow to his knowledge of these things but he has raised some points that had never occurred to me including the offer of safety advice and appropriate equipment along with a knowledge of the roads and tracks plus the warnings about the more hazardous roads for visitors to be aware of. With the total absence of any of this guidance at a 'pay & pedal' location, Mr Peart is in total agreement with the NPA decision not to waste money on the 'Boris bikes' when it could be used elsewhere. Suggest you read his letter before challenging me over it's contents.[/p][/quote]I'm not challenging you at all, I'm saying if its such crappy weather and I need to cart back shopping I'd get a taxi. Wind your neck in. I don't care what Mr Peart thinks, 2000 people wanted this and because 12 people didn't then it's not happening in the NF. Well played, way to listen to the people.[/p][/quote]No, you're a cyclist and you don't care what anyone else thinks, which is why there are so many different groups in the forest lined up against you. Torchie1
  • Score: -3

8:06pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O
It's not even pure Lycra, most of it is actually cotton and it's NOT the only place you find Lycra, your socks for example, most likely have LYCRA in them, this is to allow them to fit all but the largest and smallest sized feet and also allows for anti-bacterials to be imbedded in the woven fabric, same goes for underwear, the arm and leg warmers you often see football players wear when it's cold, most likely contain LYCRA, lycra-blends are also used in balaclavas used for racing, another thing about lycra is that it helps sweat to evaporate quicker, meaning it helps you cool down quicker, also, it's very likely that you'll see a drop in the number of people wearing traditional lycra, as recently, a company has produced a lycra blend material that can protect a balloon from a high powered, bench sander on full power, for over an HOUR, therefore, most cyclists who wear lycra and have felt the pain of ripped clothes and road rash who will wear this new material, would be wearing even LESS lycra than before.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: Lycra was invented for Women aerobics, it's a bit weird that grown men wear it! :O[/p][/quote]It's not even pure Lycra, most of it is actually cotton and it's NOT the only place you find Lycra, your socks for example, most likely have LYCRA in them, this is to allow them to fit all but the largest and smallest sized feet and also allows for anti-bacterials to be imbedded in the woven fabric, same goes for underwear, the arm and leg warmers you often see football players wear when it's cold, most likely contain LYCRA, lycra-blends are also used in balaclavas used for racing, another thing about lycra is that it helps sweat to evaporate quicker, meaning it helps you cool down quicker, also, it's very likely that you'll see a drop in the number of people wearing traditional lycra, as recently, a company has produced a lycra blend material that can protect a balloon from a high powered, bench sander on full power, for over an HOUR, therefore, most cyclists who wear lycra and have felt the pain of ripped clothes and road rash who will wear this new material, would be wearing even LESS lycra than before. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

8:08pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

100%HANTSBOY wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Woolston ollie wrote:
Lycra mafia win again i hope not
What is the obsession with Lycra?! Honestly every time someone mentions cycling on here the old "ARGH Lycra Mob! Lycra Nazis!" nonsense comes out. Hankering feelings beneath methinks. Surprised you didn't say middle aged men as well, like thats the only people who cycle in Hampshire.

I cycle in shirt, trousers & shoes to & from work, t-shirts & cargo shorts when just cycling for leisure and lycra shorts & running kit to & from training.

It doesn't matter.

This scheme should never have been quashed and it's a brilliant idea to get families and groups alike into the forest and burning some calories.

People should try exercising sometimes. You feel much better than if you don't. Clothes fit better. People find you more attractive. You're not part of the obesity crisis. What's to hate?
You must stink at work, do your workmates a favour and drive in or take a bus!
I know someone who cycles 20+ miles to work and back and he doesn't stink.
[quote][p][bold]100%HANTSBOY[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: Lycra mafia win again i hope not[/p][/quote]What is the obsession with Lycra?! Honestly every time someone mentions cycling on here the old "ARGH Lycra Mob! Lycra Nazis!" nonsense comes out. Hankering feelings beneath methinks. Surprised you didn't say middle aged men as well, like thats the only people who cycle in Hampshire. I cycle in shirt, trousers & shoes to & from work, t-shirts & cargo shorts when just cycling for leisure and lycra shorts & running kit to & from training. It doesn't matter. This scheme should never have been quashed and it's a brilliant idea to get families and groups alike into the forest and burning some calories. People should try exercising sometimes. You feel much better than if you don't. Clothes fit better. People find you more attractive. You're not part of the obesity crisis. What's to hate?[/p][/quote]You must stink at work, do your workmates a favour and drive in or take a bus![/p][/quote]I know someone who cycles 20+ miles to work and back and he doesn't stink. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

8:22pm Thu 4 Sep 14

Ginger_cyclist says...

Torchie1 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
Torchie1 wrote:
Urbane Forager wrote:
For all the anti cycling idiots...

Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument.

Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites.

To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh?

What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest...

...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ?

Duh?
With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.
Taxi mate, we're not idiots!
A rather interesting letter has been printed in this weeks Lymington Times written by the proprietor of one of the long established bicycle hire outlets in the tourist honeypot of Lyndhurst. I'll have to bow to his knowledge of these things but he has raised some points that had never occurred to me including the offer of safety advice and appropriate equipment along with a knowledge of the roads and tracks plus the warnings about the more hazardous roads for visitors to be aware of. With the total absence of any of this guidance at a 'pay & pedal' location, Mr Peart is in total agreement with the NPA decision not to waste money on the 'Boris bikes' when it could be used elsewhere. Suggest you read his letter before challenging me over it's contents.
What is "appropriate equipment"? A handlebar mounted gun for dangerous drivers? Nah, doubt it, that's illegal after all... It couldn't be a helmet and reflective things that both have NO legal standing AND do NOT provide any safety what so ever, could it? Nah, giving people a false sense of security is akin to murder.
[quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Torchie1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Urbane Forager[/bold] wrote: For all the anti cycling idiots... Lycra is not needed for cycling, I cycle to work every day in normal clothing. Your petty prevarications are pointless and nothing to do with the argument. Although the large Wiggle events have caused a polarisation of views, most cycling in the forest is of the gentle touring type, with children and families riding on tracks off camp sites. To paraphrase Sir Chris Hoy... Duh? Duh? Duh? What would the resident's of the forest really prefer, more noisy cars, tearing around above the speed limit, endangering animals and people, belching exhaust and noise jamming up Lyndhurst and every other town and village in the forest... ...Or would they rather have silent, smokeless, bicycles, every one causing less traffic and no jams, casually tootling along below the 40mph limit, gently slipping through quiet villages ? Duh?[/p][/quote]With a weeks shopping from the nearest Waitrose, middle of winter when it's cold, windy, and pouring with rain, when you have the family with you and you're looking forward to getting home to enjoy the rest of the day without all having to shower and change in to clean dry clothing ? No wonder you only speak for the vociferous 3%.[/p][/quote]Taxi mate, we're not idiots![/p][/quote]A rather interesting letter has been printed in this weeks Lymington Times written by the proprietor of one of the long established bicycle hire outlets in the tourist honeypot of Lyndhurst. I'll have to bow to his knowledge of these things but he has raised some points that had never occurred to me including the offer of safety advice and appropriate equipment along with a knowledge of the roads and tracks plus the warnings about the more hazardous roads for visitors to be aware of. With the total absence of any of this guidance at a 'pay & pedal' location, Mr Peart is in total agreement with the NPA decision not to waste money on the 'Boris bikes' when it could be used elsewhere. Suggest you read his letter before challenging me over it's contents.[/p][/quote]What is "appropriate equipment"? A handlebar mounted gun for dangerous drivers? Nah, doubt it, that's illegal after all... It couldn't be a helmet and reflective things that both have NO legal standing AND do NOT provide any safety what so ever, could it? Nah, giving people a false sense of security is akin to murder. Ginger_cyclist
  • Score: 0

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