MP vows to raise issues with Southampton General Hospital bosses over handling of Ashya King case

Ashya King and mother Naghmeh

Ashya King and mother Naghmeh

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 A Spanish judge has ordered the detention for 72 hours of a British couple who took their critically ill five-year-old son abroad against doctors' advice.

A spokesman at the National Court in Madrid said the judge ruled the couple must be held while the court considers whether to grant Britain an extradition request. The judge could have opted to let the parents to go free while the case is considered.

The spokesman said Ashya King's parents told the judge they do not want to return to the UK.

They were arrested yesterday in south-eastern Spain after a European arrest warrant was issued by Interpol at the request of British police.

Their son is receiving medical treatment for a brain tumour and is currently at a hospital in Spain.

The spokesman said the legal process also involves requesting the advice of Spanish doctors and translating legal documents deemed pertinent to the case.

It comes as bosses at Southampton General Hospital are today facing tough questions over the handling of Ashya’s case – and whether they overreacted.

Proceedings had been expected to get underway at 9.30am but they were put back at the last minute to wait for a private defence lawyer the parents have hired.

Daily Echo:

It is understoof that the lawyer (above) is coming from Seville more than 300 miles away.

They were arrested in Spain on Saturday evening when they were stopped by police who recognised the car.

Inside they found five-year-old Ashya, who did not appear to be in any distress.

His parents were arrested on suspicion of neglect and have since been seen handcuffed as they are dealt with by the authorities out there.

Meanwhile older brother Naveed has said the family have not been able to see Ashya at all.

He said: ''There is police standing outside his hospital room. We are not allowed to go and see him. We have tried to call the hospital but they are not revealing any information at all to us.

''Including taking care of all the kids, we're having to do the research ourselves to find out information.

"We're not getting anyone knocking on our door to tell us everything is OK. We've got lots of support from friends and family out here."

He added: "We wanted the best for Ashya and for us to know that now they've taken him away from us and maybe given him treatment that may not be best for him, it's quite heartbreaking."

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Naveed King

Asked whether David Cameron sympathised with Ashya's parents, the Prime Minister's official spokesman told a regular Westminster media briefing: ''I think people up and down the country will understand and be moved by the grave illness from which Ashya is suffering.

''First and foremost, the priority must be that he receives the very best and most appropriate medical care.

''Of course, I am sure that every parent wants to do the best for their child. That is probably the most human of human instincts.''

It has been five days since Ashya was wheeled out of Southampton General Hospital but nobody has:

  • Explained why it took more than six hours to raise the alarm with police that a very sick young patient was missing;
  • Defended a senior consultant criticised publically by Ashya’s father Brett King in a video aired to millions, regarding the medical treatment required for his child;
  • Addressed the issue of whether they were too hasty and over-reacted, triggering an international police search;
  • Reassured Hampshire residents that there was not a lapse by staff charged with caring for a child who they said needed round-the-clock medical attention or else he might die.

They were questions being asked by thousands of people who took to social media sites to have their say throughout the weekend – many supporting Mr King after seeing his video posted on Facebook.

One city MP joined the chorus of concern, saying she will now be raising issues with the University Hospital Trust (UHS), which runs the hospital, about how the family have been “criminalised”.

In the video released by Ashya’s father, Brett King, he was critical of consultants and doctors who had treated his son, saying he had requested proton beam treatment for him but that had been refused.

Yesterday, UHS did not respond to Mr King’s claims or a number of questions posed by the Daily Echo – the second time they declined to respond to our enquiries.

Daily Echo: Southampton General Hospital, 2014

Southampton General Hospital

Instead they released a brief statement which said: “Our priority has always been Ashya’s welfare and we are delighted that he has been found. We are now working closely with colleagues in Malaga to ensure he receives the essential medical support he needs.

“We are aware of the comments made online by his father. Throughout Ashya’s admission we have had conversations about the treatment options available to him and we had offered the family access to a second opinion, as well as assistance with organising treatment abroad.

“We understand how distressing this situation is for everyone involved, particularly Ashya’s family. We will continue to do what we can to support them and assist the police in providing any information they require.”

But Romsey and Southampton North MP Caroline Nokes says she will be raising certain issues with the trust.

Daily Echo: Caroline Nokes

Romsey MP Caroline Nokes says she will raise issues with the trust over the Ashya case

She said: “I have received numerous emails both from constituents and those living further afield over the last 24 hours, expressing concern about the way the King family have been treated.

“However, I am not their MP and obviously I do not know all of the facts of the case. I think it would be very wrong of me to come to a knee jerk reaction, and whilst I have of course seen the YouTube footage, I am not a medical expert and certainly cannot judge what is in the best interests of Ashya.

“However, I do think the hospital has some questions to answer regarding the way this poor family, with a desperately ill child, have been effectively criminalised.

“And, as one of the local MPs, I will certainly be raising them with the trust.”

 Mrs King, who said police searched her home, said: ''They (the authorities) are the ones who are cruel because they have taken poor little Ashya who is dying of a brain tumour and they won't let the parents, my son and daughter-in-law, they won't let them see him at all.

''It's terrible, it is so cruel it is unbelievable.

She added: ''To try and make out that he has been neglected well. Why haven't we got any human rights? 

"They keep on, the EU, about human rights. Where are our human rights? We have got none.''

 

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11:28am Mon 1 Sep 14

forest hump says...

This country continues to baffle me? Why do we insist on spending (probably quite a bit by anyones' standards) dragging this family back here against their will? Why do we also insist (will be confirmed today no doubt) on not allowing potential IS sympathisers to leave this country? Let them go out there and get their heads blown off. Why hold people here against their will who then become a severe threat? (off subject a bit but relevant).
This family has a right to seek better? medical treatment if that is their wish. Since when has a hospital become a prison? Sometimes this establishment is its own worst enemy.
This country continues to baffle me? Why do we insist on spending (probably quite a bit by anyones' standards) dragging this family back here against their will? Why do we also insist (will be confirmed today no doubt) on not allowing potential IS sympathisers to leave this country? Let them go out there and get their heads blown off. Why hold people here against their will who then become a severe threat? (off subject a bit but relevant). This family has a right to seek better? medical treatment if that is their wish. Since when has a hospital become a prison? Sometimes this establishment is its own worst enemy. forest hump
  • Score: 50

11:30am Mon 1 Sep 14

Maine Lobster says...

This tragic case should be focussing on the health and needs of this poor child. Unfortunately it has now become more about Hospital executives trying to fend off criticism for poor handling of the family and the Government seeking to deflect potential flak from the fact that the Health Service has not served this family well, due no doubt to funding issues for the treatment the family seek. Criminalising the parents for their concern for thier son is nothing short of scandalous.
This tragic case should be focussing on the health and needs of this poor child. Unfortunately it has now become more about Hospital executives trying to fend off criticism for poor handling of the family and the Government seeking to deflect potential flak from the fact that the Health Service has not served this family well, due no doubt to funding issues for the treatment the family seek. Criminalising the parents for their concern for thier son is nothing short of scandalous. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 58

11:41am Mon 1 Sep 14

rickey says...

It was not a criminal act so why are they in handcuffs and facing extradition? Will somebody use a bit of common sense and get them released so they can be with their son who the whole family obviously dote on. If you don't believe that then look up Naveed King on YouTube and watch all his videos.
It was not a criminal act so why are they in handcuffs and facing extradition? Will somebody use a bit of common sense and get them released so they can be with their son who the whole family obviously dote on. If you don't believe that then look up Naveed King on YouTube and watch all his videos. rickey
  • Score: 70

11:46am Mon 1 Sep 14

rickey says...

Maine Lobster wrote:
This tragic case should be focussing on the health and needs of this poor child. Unfortunately it has now become more about Hospital executives trying to fend off criticism for poor handling of the family and the Government seeking to deflect potential flak from the fact that the Health Service has not served this family well, due no doubt to funding issues for the treatment the family seek. Criminalising the parents for their concern for thier son is nothing short of scandalous.
The family were going to pay for the treatment so NHS funding does not come into the equation. It appears now that somebody has come forward to pay the whole amount and if that does not happen social media donations will fund it.
[quote][p][bold]Maine Lobster[/bold] wrote: This tragic case should be focussing on the health and needs of this poor child. Unfortunately it has now become more about Hospital executives trying to fend off criticism for poor handling of the family and the Government seeking to deflect potential flak from the fact that the Health Service has not served this family well, due no doubt to funding issues for the treatment the family seek. Criminalising the parents for their concern for thier son is nothing short of scandalous.[/p][/quote]The family were going to pay for the treatment so NHS funding does not come into the equation. It appears now that somebody has come forward to pay the whole amount and if that does not happen social media donations will fund it. rickey
  • Score: 41

12:04pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Donald2000 says...

As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers.

I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.
As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers. I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly. Donald2000
  • Score: 1

12:09pm Mon 1 Sep 14

gscuderi says...

If they wish to get a different medical threatment with their own money, it is just ridiculous that the hospital denied to do so.
It is just wrong to criminalize a family that is already suffering enough for his ill child.
If they wish to get a different medical threatment with their own money, it is just ridiculous that the hospital denied to do so. It is just wrong to criminalize a family that is already suffering enough for his ill child. gscuderi
  • Score: 35

12:11pm Mon 1 Sep 14

David Brougham says...

This case is a disgrace and some serious questions need to be asked of the Southampton Hospital Trust. How come relationships broke down to this extent. Why aren't parents allowed to go and find alternative treatments if they disagree with those being offered. Why didn't the hospital work with the parents on these alternatives? How come the parents are being branded as criminals when all along they have tried to do what is best for their child. I encourage the local MPs to get to the bottom of these questions. In the meantime lets do all we can to reunite these parents with this ill son. Let common sense prevail. David BroughAm.
This case is a disgrace and some serious questions need to be asked of the Southampton Hospital Trust. How come relationships broke down to this extent. Why aren't parents allowed to go and find alternative treatments if they disagree with those being offered. Why didn't the hospital work with the parents on these alternatives? How come the parents are being branded as criminals when all along they have tried to do what is best for their child. I encourage the local MPs to get to the bottom of these questions. In the meantime lets do all we can to reunite these parents with this ill son. Let common sense prevail. David BroughAm. David Brougham
  • Score: 34

12:13pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Nice to know that one of the Southampton MPs has decided to look into this case, and from her quoted comment it appears that unlike many comments posted on this site, she is keeping open mind and not being judgemental.

The top most priority at the moment should be to provided best medical treatment available for the child, and advice by independent medical professionals to assist parents in making their decision.

As Hampshire Police has found Aysha, who is now in hospital in Spain, the police should withdraw warrants against them without any firther delay; which they should have done when it became clear that they were not neglecting the child but trying hard to get what in their view is best treatment for their child's health problem.

Southampton hospital must look into its security procedures, and if the communications between doctors and parents of patient went wrong. If that happened then ask why and how to improve the system.

Police has done a good job by locating Aysha but now by keep on with investigation can't be achieving anything other than bad publicity.

Because parents trying to even sell their house to pay for medical needs of their child , as NICE won't allow our NHS to fund that, can't be a crime. But by detaining the parents when they should be looking after their children and visiting the one who is in hospital can be immoral and may be violation of their human rights.

All parties involved in this case may only be thinking about the best interests of the child, but by failing to coordinate they have created this situation.

Hope the child is not aware of all this, which for even a healthy child can be stressful, and wish him well.
Nice to know that one of the Southampton MPs has decided to look into this case, and from her quoted comment it appears that unlike many comments posted on this site, she is keeping open mind and not being judgemental. The top most priority at the moment should be to provided best medical treatment available for the child, and advice by independent medical professionals to assist parents in making their decision. As Hampshire Police has found Aysha, who is now in hospital in Spain, the police should withdraw warrants against them without any firther delay; which they should have done when it became clear that they were not neglecting the child but trying hard to get what in their view is best treatment for their child's health problem. Southampton hospital must look into its security procedures, and if the communications between doctors and parents of patient went wrong. If that happened then ask why and how to improve the system. Police has done a good job by locating Aysha but now by keep on with investigation can't be achieving anything other than bad publicity. Because parents trying to even sell their house to pay for medical needs of their child , as NICE won't allow our NHS to fund that, can't be a crime. But by detaining the parents when they should be looking after their children and visiting the one who is in hospital can be immoral and may be violation of their human rights. All parties involved in this case may only be thinking about the best interests of the child, but by failing to coordinate they have created this situation. Hope the child is not aware of all this, which for even a healthy child can be stressful, and wish him well. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 21

12:27pm Mon 1 Sep 14

SNUGGLES 78 says...

David Brougham wrote:
This case is a disgrace and some serious questions need to be asked of the Southampton Hospital Trust. How come relationships broke down to this extent. Why aren't parents allowed to go and find alternative treatments if they disagree with those being offered. Why didn't the hospital work with the parents on these alternatives? How come the parents are being branded as criminals when all along they have tried to do what is best for their child. I encourage the local MPs to get to the bottom of these questions. In the meantime lets do all we can to reunite these parents with this ill son. Let common sense prevail. David BroughAm.
they are not allowed by law to suggest alternatives ,it stinks and needs to change .
[quote][p][bold]David Brougham[/bold] wrote: This case is a disgrace and some serious questions need to be asked of the Southampton Hospital Trust. How come relationships broke down to this extent. Why aren't parents allowed to go and find alternative treatments if they disagree with those being offered. Why didn't the hospital work with the parents on these alternatives? How come the parents are being branded as criminals when all along they have tried to do what is best for their child. I encourage the local MPs to get to the bottom of these questions. In the meantime lets do all we can to reunite these parents with this ill son. Let common sense prevail. David BroughAm.[/p][/quote]they are not allowed by law to suggest alternatives ,it stinks and needs to change . SNUGGLES 78
  • Score: 10

12:28pm Mon 1 Sep 14

sotonboy84 says...

Donald2000 wrote:
As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers.

I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.
There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped.

If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is.
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers. I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.[/p][/quote]There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped. If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is. sotonboy84
  • Score: 56

12:32pm Mon 1 Sep 14

sotonboy84 says...

SNUGGLES 78 wrote:
David Brougham wrote:
This case is a disgrace and some serious questions need to be asked of the Southampton Hospital Trust. How come relationships broke down to this extent. Why aren't parents allowed to go and find alternative treatments if they disagree with those being offered. Why didn't the hospital work with the parents on these alternatives? How come the parents are being branded as criminals when all along they have tried to do what is best for their child. I encourage the local MPs to get to the bottom of these questions. In the meantime lets do all we can to reunite these parents with this ill son. Let common sense prevail. David BroughAm.
they are not allowed by law to suggest alternatives ,it stinks and needs to change .
According to the father, he was threatened by the doctor that if he continued to question his treatment he would get a court order to continue care without the parents consent. If true, not what you would expect from a health care professional towards obviously concerned and desperate parents.
[quote][p][bold]SNUGGLES 78[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]David Brougham[/bold] wrote: This case is a disgrace and some serious questions need to be asked of the Southampton Hospital Trust. How come relationships broke down to this extent. Why aren't parents allowed to go and find alternative treatments if they disagree with those being offered. Why didn't the hospital work with the parents on these alternatives? How come the parents are being branded as criminals when all along they have tried to do what is best for their child. I encourage the local MPs to get to the bottom of these questions. In the meantime lets do all we can to reunite these parents with this ill son. Let common sense prevail. David BroughAm.[/p][/quote]they are not allowed by law to suggest alternatives ,it stinks and needs to change .[/p][/quote]According to the father, he was threatened by the doctor that if he continued to question his treatment he would get a court order to continue care without the parents consent. If true, not what you would expect from a health care professional towards obviously concerned and desperate parents. sotonboy84
  • Score: 48

12:32pm Mon 1 Sep 14

southy says...

The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital
The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital southy
  • Score: -9

12:40pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Donald2000 says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers.

I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.
There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped.

If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is.
They need to have proof of neglect; from what I saw of it, there was none. So yet again the police have taken their powers to extremes. Has no-one got any brains within Netley Police Headquarters. I think we should be told.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers. I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.[/p][/quote]There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped. If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is.[/p][/quote]They need to have proof of neglect; from what I saw of it, there was none. So yet again the police have taken their powers to extremes. Has no-one got any brains within Netley Police Headquarters. I think we should be told. Donald2000
  • Score: -2

12:44pm Mon 1 Sep 14

ecuk268 says...

Why didn't the parents just tell the Hospital what they were going to do?

The lad was reliant on a feeding machine which had a limited battery life and was only designed for short periods away from his normal equipment.

The Hospital was rightly concerned when he didn't return. Fortunately, the lad turned up safe but imagine the criticism the Hospital would have faced if they'd done nothing and things had turned out worse.

Hospital is not a prison. They cannot keep people against their will.
Why didn't the parents just tell the Hospital what they were going to do? The lad was reliant on a feeding machine which had a limited battery life and was only designed for short periods away from his normal equipment. The Hospital was rightly concerned when he didn't return. Fortunately, the lad turned up safe but imagine the criticism the Hospital would have faced if they'd done nothing and things had turned out worse. Hospital is not a prison. They cannot keep people against their will. ecuk268
  • Score: 16

12:45pm Mon 1 Sep 14

sotonboy84 says...

Donald2000 wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers.

I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.
There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped.

If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is.
They need to have proof of neglect; from what I saw of it, there was none. So yet again the police have taken their powers to extremes. Has no-one got any brains within Netley Police Headquarters. I think we should be told.
I agree. The fact they didn't intend to arrest them for neglect but use the warrant only as a reason to stop them says it all. The Police didn't have a legitimate reason to stop the parents so they made one up!
[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers. I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.[/p][/quote]There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped. If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is.[/p][/quote]They need to have proof of neglect; from what I saw of it, there was none. So yet again the police have taken their powers to extremes. Has no-one got any brains within Netley Police Headquarters. I think we should be told.[/p][/quote]I agree. The fact they didn't intend to arrest them for neglect but use the warrant only as a reason to stop them says it all. The Police didn't have a legitimate reason to stop the parents so they made one up! sotonboy84
  • Score: 29

12:51pm Mon 1 Sep 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital
Nonsense again! What corporations?? You really do spout out of your butt.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital[/p][/quote]Nonsense again! What corporations?? You really do spout out of your butt. forest hump
  • Score: 40

12:53pm Mon 1 Sep 14

sotonboy84 says...

ecuk268 wrote:
Why didn't the parents just tell the Hospital what they were going to do?

The lad was reliant on a feeding machine which had a limited battery life and was only designed for short periods away from his normal equipment.

The Hospital was rightly concerned when he didn't return. Fortunately, the lad turned up safe but imagine the criticism the Hospital would have faced if they'd done nothing and things had turned out worse.

Hospital is not a prison. They cannot keep people against their will.
As I said above - because according to the father, he was threatened by the doctor that if he continued to question his treatment he would get a court order to continue care without the parents consent. If they told the hospital they were taking treatment into their own hands and therefore questioning current treatment they could lose the right to make any decision on their child's treatment.
[quote][p][bold]ecuk268[/bold] wrote: Why didn't the parents just tell the Hospital what they were going to do? The lad was reliant on a feeding machine which had a limited battery life and was only designed for short periods away from his normal equipment. The Hospital was rightly concerned when he didn't return. Fortunately, the lad turned up safe but imagine the criticism the Hospital would have faced if they'd done nothing and things had turned out worse. Hospital is not a prison. They cannot keep people against their will.[/p][/quote]As I said above - because according to the father, he was threatened by the doctor that if he continued to question his treatment he would get a court order to continue care without the parents consent. If they told the hospital they were taking treatment into their own hands and therefore questioning current treatment they could lose the right to make any decision on their child's treatment. sotonboy84
  • Score: 30

12:53pm Mon 1 Sep 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital
Why do you always seek to politicise every single issue? And when you do, you speak utter nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital[/p][/quote]Why do you always seek to politicise every single issue? And when you do, you speak utter nonsense. forest hump
  • Score: 24

1:24pm Mon 1 Sep 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital
Why do you always seek to politicise every single issue? And when you do, you speak utter nonsense.
This is very Political if you can not see that then you need to relook at things, plus that a known lie by your part "Why do you always seek to politicise every single issue?" truth is I don't I do have other interests maybe you don't I do not know if you do or not.
I will only talk Politics on Political issues, you fail to see what is and what is not.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital[/p][/quote]Why do you always seek to politicise every single issue? And when you do, you speak utter nonsense.[/p][/quote]This is very Political if you can not see that then you need to relook at things, plus that a known lie by your part "Why do you always seek to politicise every single issue?" truth is I don't I do have other interests maybe you don't I do not know if you do or not. I will only talk Politics on Political issues, you fail to see what is and what is not. southy
  • Score: 2

1:29pm Mon 1 Sep 14

southy says...

forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital
Nonsense again! What corporations?? You really do spout out of your butt.
Where have you been for the last 30 years, Corporations have slowly been taking over the NHS bit by bit, The Trust it self is a Corporation Controlled, all these profiteers with in the NHS ranning things is Corporation controlled, theres over 1,200 contractors in the NHS all are Corporation controlled.
And with the TTIP talks coming up wat is left of the NHS will be ramsack by the Corporations
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital[/p][/quote]Nonsense again! What corporations?? You really do spout out of your butt.[/p][/quote]Where have you been for the last 30 years, Corporations have slowly been taking over the NHS bit by bit, The Trust it self is a Corporation Controlled, all these profiteers with in the NHS ranning things is Corporation controlled, theres over 1,200 contractors in the NHS all are Corporation controlled. And with the TTIP talks coming up wat is left of the NHS will be ramsack by the Corporations southy
  • Score: -1

1:37pm Mon 1 Sep 14

funchal says...

rickey wrote:
It was not a criminal act so why are they in handcuffs and facing extradition? Will somebody use a bit of common sense and get them released so they can be with their son who the whole family obviously dote on. If you don't believe that then look up Naveed King on YouTube and watch all his videos.
I totally agree with you "rickey". I personally think that the Prime Minister should intervene and put this beautiful family back together again. I don't know any of the family but my heart goes out to them.
[quote][p][bold]rickey[/bold] wrote: It was not a criminal act so why are they in handcuffs and facing extradition? Will somebody use a bit of common sense and get them released so they can be with their son who the whole family obviously dote on. If you don't believe that then look up Naveed King on YouTube and watch all his videos.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you "rickey". I personally think that the Prime Minister should intervene and put this beautiful family back together again. I don't know any of the family but my heart goes out to them. funchal
  • Score: 20

2:06pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Cyber__Fug says...

Listening on Jeremy Vine earlier, a Police representative all but admitted that the Hospital gave the Police false information.
Listening on Jeremy Vine earlier, a Police representative all but admitted that the Hospital gave the Police false information. Cyber__Fug
  • Score: 12

2:28pm Mon 1 Sep 14

espanuel says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
Donald2000 wrote:
As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers.

I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.
There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped.

If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is.
I have to defend the police on this as they were given information from the hospital about his condition there was no arrogance from ASC he was only doing his job as there was no information from the parents only when they got to Spain and then decided to make a video. Why didn't they do that before hand and leave it with the SGH. SGH were concerned when the child disappeared and they contacted the police. The media have ripped this apart without seeing the other side i.e. medical at SGH. If the police had said there is nothing that could be done or it has no concern to us WHAT if the child HAD died then you on here would still be slagging the police down. DAMNED IF YOU DO AND DAMNED IF YOU DONT. That's all I have to say and I will probably be damned for what I have wrote, concern is the child at the end of the day.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers. I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.[/p][/quote]There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped. If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is.[/p][/quote]I have to defend the police on this as they were given information from the hospital about his condition there was no arrogance from ASC he was only doing his job as there was no information from the parents only when they got to Spain and then decided to make a video. Why didn't they do that before hand and leave it with the SGH. SGH were concerned when the child disappeared and they contacted the police. The media have ripped this apart without seeing the other side i.e. medical at SGH. If the police had said there is nothing that could be done or it has no concern to us WHAT if the child HAD died then you on here would still be slagging the police down. DAMNED IF YOU DO AND DAMNED IF YOU DONT. That's all I have to say and I will probably be damned for what I have wrote, concern is the child at the end of the day. espanuel
  • Score: -17

3:33pm Mon 1 Sep 14

redsnapper says...

Don't you just love these attention seeking politicians..??

Just do it don,t waste time selling your story to the media.
Don't you just love these attention seeking politicians..?? Just do it don,t waste time selling your story to the media. redsnapper
  • Score: 2

3:34pm Mon 1 Sep 14

redsnapper says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
Listening on Jeremy Vine earlier, a Police representative all but admitted that the Hospital gave the Police false information.
Or the police who are not known for their copious amounts of grey matter - misunderstood.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: Listening on Jeremy Vine earlier, a Police representative all but admitted that the Hospital gave the Police false information.[/p][/quote]Or the police who are not known for their copious amounts of grey matter - misunderstood. redsnapper
  • Score: 3

4:01pm Mon 1 Sep 14

forest hump says...

southy wrote:
forest hump wrote:
southy wrote:
The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital
Nonsense again! What corporations?? You really do spout out of your butt.
Where have you been for the last 30 years, Corporations have slowly been taking over the NHS bit by bit, The Trust it self is a Corporation Controlled, all these profiteers with in the NHS ranning things is Corporation controlled, theres over 1,200 contractors in the NHS all are Corporation controlled.
And with the TTIP talks coming up wat is left of the NHS will be ramsack by the Corporations
Hogwash
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The problem is that our NHS is run by Corporations and not the NHS it self, A lost of just one patient is a bad mark against the Corporation ran hospital[/p][/quote]Nonsense again! What corporations?? You really do spout out of your butt.[/p][/quote]Where have you been for the last 30 years, Corporations have slowly been taking over the NHS bit by bit, The Trust it self is a Corporation Controlled, all these profiteers with in the NHS ranning things is Corporation controlled, theres over 1,200 contractors in the NHS all are Corporation controlled. And with the TTIP talks coming up wat is left of the NHS will be ramsack by the Corporations[/p][/quote]Hogwash forest hump
  • Score: -1

4:07pm Mon 1 Sep 14

southy says...

redsnapper wrote:
Don't you just love these attention seeking politicians..??

Just do it don,t waste time selling your story to the media.
Well that maybe so, But keeping an open mind about it and start asking questions, seems to be the right thing to do
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: Don't you just love these attention seeking politicians..?? Just do it don,t waste time selling your story to the media.[/p][/quote]Well that maybe so, But keeping an open mind about it and start asking questions, seems to be the right thing to do southy
  • Score: 0

4:19pm Mon 1 Sep 14

jonone says...

espanuel wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
Donald2000 wrote: As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers. I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.
There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped. If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is.
I have to defend the police on this as they were given information from the hospital about his condition there was no arrogance from ASC he was only doing his job as there was no information from the parents only when they got to Spain and then decided to make a video. Why didn't they do that before hand and leave it with the SGH. SGH were concerned when the child disappeared and they contacted the police. The media have ripped this apart without seeing the other side i.e. medical at SGH. If the police had said there is nothing that could be done or it has no concern to us WHAT if the child HAD died then you on here would still be slagging the police down. DAMNED IF YOU DO AND DAMNED IF YOU DONT. That's all I have to say and I will probably be damned for what I have wrote, concern is the child at the end of the day.
I would defend the police if it was not for the arrogance of their ACC. The hospital fed the police and the media lies about the boy and his feeding system - claiming it was only battery powered when it isn't.

Another good reason not to defend them is the sight of the parents in handcuffs, including the mother being forced into a police car in Spain.

The hospital also claimed the boy was in extreme danger, in fact he has already been moved out of a high dependency ward in Spain into a general ward.

Ultimately, some six figure consultant has had his ego bruised and has taken it out on a family whose only crime was care for thier sick child.
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote: As there was not a court order in place to detain Aysha within the confines of the Southampton General Hospital it would appear that all concerned have acted outside the law. It further appears that no-one was even checking whether the child was on the premises. This has been further compounded by them picking up the phone to the police in defiance of the law when they knew that no court order was in place. Followed by the arrogance of an Assistant Chief Constable who spoke out in defence of something which the police did beyond their powers. I hope that when the truth comes out about how stupid everyone has been who had a part in this, that people will consider their positions because we cannot have this kind of crass behaviour where the welfare of children is concerned. Not one person involved except the parents seems to have known the law. This is outrageous. I hope the child gets the treatment he deserves and returns to full health very quickly.[/p][/quote]There wasn't a court order in place so the shocking thing is that the police issued a European arrest warrant for NEGLECT although they said they didn't intend to arrest the parents for that but it meant they could be stopped. If this isn't abuse of power then I don't know what is.[/p][/quote]I have to defend the police on this as they were given information from the hospital about his condition there was no arrogance from ASC he was only doing his job as there was no information from the parents only when they got to Spain and then decided to make a video. Why didn't they do that before hand and leave it with the SGH. SGH were concerned when the child disappeared and they contacted the police. The media have ripped this apart without seeing the other side i.e. medical at SGH. If the police had said there is nothing that could be done or it has no concern to us WHAT if the child HAD died then you on here would still be slagging the police down. DAMNED IF YOU DO AND DAMNED IF YOU DONT. That's all I have to say and I will probably be damned for what I have wrote, concern is the child at the end of the day.[/p][/quote]I would defend the police if it was not for the arrogance of their ACC. The hospital fed the police and the media lies about the boy and his feeding system - claiming it was only battery powered when it isn't. Another good reason not to defend them is the sight of the parents in handcuffs, including the mother being forced into a police car in Spain. The hospital also claimed the boy was in extreme danger, in fact he has already been moved out of a high dependency ward in Spain into a general ward. Ultimately, some six figure consultant has had his ego bruised and has taken it out on a family whose only crime was care for thier sick child. jonone
  • Score: 21

4:36pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Frank28 says...

We are not being told all the facts. I've just heard that a High Court Judge has made Ashya King a 'Ward Of Court'. These are not the first Jehovah Witness parents in the UK to lose their parental rights over their sick child. I fear how the media circus is effecting this distraught family. The parents have been denied bail in Spain, and will be detained for at least the next three days.
We are not being told all the facts. I've just heard that a High Court Judge has made Ashya King a 'Ward Of Court'. These are not the first Jehovah Witness parents in the UK to lose their parental rights over their sick child. I fear how the media circus is effecting this distraught family. The parents have been denied bail in Spain, and will be detained for at least the next three days. Frank28
  • Score: -2

5:01pm Mon 1 Sep 14

IronLady2010 says...

forest hump wrote:
This country continues to baffle me? Why do we insist on spending (probably quite a bit by anyones' standards) dragging this family back here against their will? Why do we also insist (will be confirmed today no doubt) on not allowing potential IS sympathisers to leave this country? Let them go out there and get their heads blown off. Why hold people here against their will who then become a severe threat? (off subject a bit but relevant).
This family has a right to seek better? medical treatment if that is their wish. Since when has a hospital become a prison? Sometimes this establishment is its own worst enemy.
I'll reply to your comment based on I haven't read the other comments.

Maybe if the parents had explained they wanted better treatment for their child, this wouldn't have been such a big issue.

I'm sure that our NHS would have done their utmost to assist the parents in going to another country for treatment, as they are paying private.
[quote][p][bold]forest hump[/bold] wrote: This country continues to baffle me? Why do we insist on spending (probably quite a bit by anyones' standards) dragging this family back here against their will? Why do we also insist (will be confirmed today no doubt) on not allowing potential IS sympathisers to leave this country? Let them go out there and get their heads blown off. Why hold people here against their will who then become a severe threat? (off subject a bit but relevant). This family has a right to seek better? medical treatment if that is their wish. Since when has a hospital become a prison? Sometimes this establishment is its own worst enemy.[/p][/quote]I'll reply to your comment based on I haven't read the other comments. Maybe if the parents had explained they wanted better treatment for their child, this wouldn't have been such a big issue. I'm sure that our NHS would have done their utmost to assist the parents in going to another country for treatment, as they are paying private. IronLady2010
  • Score: -7

5:48pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Lordcem says...

This family has been treated disgracefully and very likely unlawfully by the Hampshire Police. You would think before they went to the extreme of issuing an international arrest warrant they would have checked up on the legality of the matter. This sick child was not a ward of court so remained quite legally under the care and supervision of his parents. Without doubt they have had their human rights violated. It cannot be right to persecute them because they happened to disagree with what may be the best treatment for their ailing son. The actions by the police were bordering on what one might expect from a police state. Have we got one, I wonder? The officer who took this inane decision should and must be held to account. The couple held should take the appropriate legal action once they have been freed and expose all those who were involved in this outrageous matter.
This family has been treated disgracefully and very likely unlawfully by the Hampshire Police. You would think before they went to the extreme of issuing an international arrest warrant they would have checked up on the legality of the matter. This sick child was not a ward of court so remained quite legally under the care and supervision of his parents. Without doubt they have had their human rights violated. It cannot be right to persecute them because they happened to disagree with what may be the best treatment for their ailing son. The actions by the police were bordering on what one might expect from a police state. Have we got one, I wonder? The officer who took this inane decision should and must be held to account. The couple held should take the appropriate legal action once they have been freed and expose all those who were involved in this outrageous matter. Lordcem
  • Score: 20

8:08pm Mon 1 Sep 14

solomum says...

Southampton hospital bosses now need to do all they can to persuade the Spanish authorities to reinstate contact between Ashya and his family. Keeping them apart is cruel beyond words. That little boy must be so frightened and alone and this will cause him considerable damage. Whilst they may have acted in Ashya's best interests by involving the police, they now know he is being cared for and Ashyas parents should not have a case to answer.
Southampton hospital bosses now need to do all they can to persuade the Spanish authorities to reinstate contact between Ashya and his family. Keeping them apart is cruel beyond words. That little boy must be so frightened and alone and this will cause him considerable damage. Whilst they may have acted in Ashya's best interests by involving the police, they now know he is being cared for and Ashyas parents should not have a case to answer. solomum
  • Score: 4

8:29pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Maria Sklair says...

The consultants have to humble down, yes, they are essential to the well being of a nation, but only if they treat patients with empathy and humanity. And they are not the only good doctors in Europe. Why not join forces with other specialists to get closer to the specific needs of a patient. Surely there are more than one treatment available in the so called European Community!
The consultants have to humble down, yes, they are essential to the well being of a nation, but only if they treat patients with empathy and humanity. And they are not the only good doctors in Europe. Why not join forces with other specialists to get closer to the specific needs of a patient. Surely there are more than one treatment available in the so called European Community! Maria Sklair
  • Score: 0

9:30pm Mon 1 Sep 14

robvalkeneers says...

Let us hope some valuable lessons will be learnt from this case. Let us hope Ashya King will still have a bright future ahead of him. That some good may yet come out of all this.
Let us hope some valuable lessons will be learnt from this case. Let us hope Ashya King will still have a bright future ahead of him. That some good may yet come out of all this. robvalkeneers
  • Score: 1

8:43am Tue 2 Sep 14

Raxx says...

Things posted in ALL CAPS always reassure me of someone's mental stability.
Things posted in ALL CAPS always reassure me of someone's mental stability. Raxx
  • Score: 0

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