Prime Minister and cabinet in Hampshire for historic meeting (From Daily Echo)
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Gordon Brown and top MPs in Southampton today
4:20pm Monday 23rd February 2009 in News
PRIME Minister Gordon Brown has brought his entire cabinet for a historic meeting in Southampton today.
The city has been chosen as part of the PM's drive to hold cabinet meetings outside London.
In the tightest security operation seen for years the Prime Minister held the cabinet meeting and then took a question and answer session with business and community leaders at City Cruise Terminal.
The PM speaks to the Echo in Southampton. Due to technical problems, you may need Internet Explorer to watch this video.
His fellow cabinet members including Chancellor Alistair Darling and Home Secretary Jacqui Smith have been carrying out a string of public engagements across Hampshire throughout today.
And the people of the county have been sent a message from the Government: “We will listen.”
Check dailyecho.co.uk throughout the day for the very latest on this historic visit.
Mr Brown kicked off his visit to Southampton with a tour of City College with city MP John Denham, the Universities and Skills Secretary, and Schools Secretary Ed Balls.
During their tour of the college – which is to receive a £40 million renovation – they met a number of students as well as those on apprenticeship schemes.
The visit coincides with the start of National Apprentice Week and an announcement by Mr Brown, who was in Berlin yesterday for a European economic summit, to create 21,000 new apprenticeships in the health service, education and local government from April.
The trio then made their way to the City Cruise Terminal in the Docks with other senior Government ministers for the historic Cabinet meeting.
Comments(79)
Vonnie
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7:21am Mon 23 Feb 09
obelisker
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7:57am Mon 23 Feb 09
Bill Loney wrote:Then he'll have two like the rest of us.
Nice to hear our PM's in the area, I'll keep an eye out for him.
Forest Resident
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8:32am Mon 23 Feb 09
chapelsaint
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8:51am Mon 23 Feb 09
Iain
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8:53am Mon 23 Feb 09
And this article was posted at 6.30am! How early did they start the tour??
claxxie
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9:04am Mon 23 Feb 09
Harry P
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9:06am Mon 23 Feb 09
Iain wrote:It's on the front page too which was printed over night so they must have started around 12.01am!! What a job eh? long hours, they MUST be earning their wages!!?
"Earlier Mr Brown was given a tour or Southampton City College " And this article was posted at 6.30am! How early did they start the tour??
thesaint
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9:22am Mon 23 Feb 09
hulla baloo
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9:22am Mon 23 Feb 09
seatraders
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9:26am Mon 23 Feb 09
If he has time perhaps he should have a tour of the Port (or Ford's Transit Factory in Eastleigh) and see how the other half live (i.e. earn an 'honest' living)!?
Sam Mifsud
Winchester
Boris Remmington
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9:50am Mon 23 Feb 09
goard
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10:07am Mon 23 Feb 09
goard
downfader
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10:07am Mon 23 Feb 09
So why are they slowly still trying to strangle this country? I dont feel I could vote for them in the next general (if we ever do see one - Brown will hold on to power for as long as he can - the public should demand an election!) and will be voting for one of the lesser of the three "evils" of abiguity that we have running... so prolly libdem this time.
I for one do not think this man should be welcomed here in southampton. We didnt vote for him and he only got his job by lying about the economy.
thesaint
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10:21am Mon 23 Feb 09
i am proud of this great country for all its rights and wrongs.
StanB
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10:32am Mon 23 Feb 09
Mr E
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10:33am Mon 23 Feb 09
like so much about politics today this is just a stage managed photo opertunity
southy
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10:36am Mon 23 Feb 09
hulla baloo wrote:road show ummm general election going to be called soon, i think
Is just a Labour roadshow for a tour of the country to see if, by some chance, there is somewhere in the country, they have not managed to sc--w up.
INTP
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10:36am Mon 23 Feb 09
southy
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10:38am Mon 23 Feb 09
downfader wrote:there might be a four choice more to your favour if the cnwp can work fast enough.
I was a seasoned labour voter for years. Then they increasingly let very dangerous policies slip in. We managed in the past without ID cards, stop and search quotas, speed cameras and heavy, heavy taxation and 300 new laws. All that was at a time when the IRA were still prevailant.
So why are they slowly still trying to strangle this country? I dont feel I could vote for them in the next general (if we ever do see one - Brown will hold on to power for as long as he can - the public should demand an election!) and will be voting for one of the lesser of the three "evils" of abiguity that we have running... so prolly libdem this time.
I for one do not think this man should be welcomed here in southampton. We didnt vote for him and he only got his job by lying about the economy.
goard
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10:53am Mon 23 Feb 09
goard
hulla baloo
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10:55am Mon 23 Feb 09
southy wrote:Don't think so Southy.
hulla baloo wrote: Is just a Labour roadshow for a tour of the country to see if, by some chance, there is somewhere in the country, they have not managed to sc--w up.road show ummm general election going to be called soon, i think
This lot know they have had it and will get stuffed if they call an election.
They will hang on to the bitter end, particularly our unelected leader, as they all know they will not get another term in office.
Is just a matter of how much more damage they can go before they go off to their directorships, cushy jobs in Brussels with their gilt edged pensions.
downfader
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11:01am Mon 23 Feb 09
southy wrote:Had to look them up. Seems too early days for them to be of any use.
downfader wrote: I was a seasoned labour voter for years. Then they increasingly let very dangerous policies slip in. We managed in the past without ID cards, stop and search quotas, speed cameras and heavy, heavy taxation and 300 new laws. All that was at a time when the IRA were still prevailant. So why are they slowly still trying to strangle this country? I dont feel I could vote for them in the next general (if we ever do see one - Brown will hold on to power for as long as he can - the public should demand an election!) and will be voting for one of the lesser of the three "evils" of abiguity that we have running... so prolly libdem this time. I for one do not think this man should be welcomed here in southampton. We didnt vote for him and he only got his job by lying about the economy.there might be a four choice more to your favour if the cnwp can work fast enough.
INTP
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11:05am Mon 23 Feb 09
INTP
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11:06am Mon 23 Feb 09
INTP
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11:08am Mon 23 Feb 09
southy
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11:10am Mon 23 Feb 09
hulla baloo wrote:there also the other way to look at it baloo, they know they are going to lose, but this recession is going to go on for another 4 years at lest,why not let some other party take the blame and make all the mistakes of trying to control a capitalist system recession that cant be controlled.
southy wrote:Don't think so Southy.
hulla baloo wrote: Is just a Labour roadshow for a tour of the country to see if, by some chance, there is somewhere in the country, they have not managed to sc--w up.road show ummm general election going to be called soon, i think
This lot know they have had it and will get stuffed if they call an election.
They will hang on to the bitter end, particularly our unelected leader, as they all know they will not get another term in office.
Is just a matter of how much more damage they can go before they go off to their directorships, cushy jobs in Brussels with their gilt edged pensions.
Condor Man
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11:12am Mon 23 Feb 09
10 Minute Man
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11:13am Mon 23 Feb 09
Its all "fear this, fear that, we're protecting you" - there's no hope or inspiration offered to us.
southy
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11:13am Mon 23 Feb 09
downfader wrote:some areas they are ready, they might be just ready in time if they get all the areas together and get there candidate named and the money up for candidates deposits.
southy wrote:Had to look them up. Seems too early days for them to be of any use.
downfader wrote: I was a seasoned labour voter for years. Then they increasingly let very dangerous policies slip in. We managed in the past without ID cards, stop and search quotas, speed cameras and heavy, heavy taxation and 300 new laws. All that was at a time when the IRA were still prevailant. So why are they slowly still trying to strangle this country? I dont feel I could vote for them in the next general (if we ever do see one - Brown will hold on to power for as long as he can - the public should demand an election!) and will be voting for one of the lesser of the three "evils" of abiguity that we have running... so prolly libdem this time. I for one do not think this man should be welcomed here in southampton. We didnt vote for him and he only got his job by lying about the economy.there might be a four choice more to your favour if the cnwp can work fast enough.
hulla baloo
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11:14am Mon 23 Feb 09
southy wrote:They won't do that as too concerned about lining their pockets, at taxpayers expense while they can.
hulla baloo wrote:there also the other way to look at it baloo, they know they are going to lose, but this recession is going to go on for another 4 years at lest,why not let some other party take the blame and make all the mistakes of trying to control a capitalist system recession that cant be controlled.southy wrote:Don't think so Southy. This lot know they have had it and will get stuffed if they call an election. They will hang on to the bitter end, particularly our unelected leader, as they all know they will not get another term in office. Is just a matter of how much more damage they can go before they go off to their directorships, cushy jobs in Brussels with their gilt edged pensions.hulla baloo wrote: Is just a Labour roadshow for a tour of the country to see if, by some chance, there is somewhere in the country, they have not managed to sc--w up.road show ummm general election going to be called soon, i think
Long gone are the days when they had the country, and citizens as priority.
Stubs
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11:16am Mon 23 Feb 09
southy
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11:17am Mon 23 Feb 09
hulla baloo wrote:they are also fearing the back lash from the unions switching to the new party the cnwp, if that happens then labour is finished has a party.
southy wrote:They won't do that as too concerned about lining their pockets, at taxpayers expense while they can.
hulla baloo wrote:there also the other way to look at it baloo, they know they are going to lose, but this recession is going to go on for another 4 years at lest,why not let some other party take the blame and make all the mistakes of trying to control a capitalist system recession that cant be controlled.southy wrote:Don't think so Southy. This lot know they have had it and will get stuffed if they call an election. They will hang on to the bitter end, particularly our unelected leader, as they all know they will not get another term in office. Is just a matter of how much more damage they can go before they go off to their directorships, cushy jobs in Brussels with their gilt edged pensions.hulla baloo wrote: Is just a Labour roadshow for a tour of the country to see if, by some chance, there is somewhere in the country, they have not managed to sc--w up.road show ummm general election going to be called soon, i think
Long gone are the days when they had the country, and citizens as priority.
jammyswine
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11:25am Mon 23 Feb 09
goard wrote:I work in this sector and apprentices are mainly younger but can be of any age. Part of the apprenticeship is an assessment of basic skills, followed by training on any shortfalls. I agree with the discipline part but this is surely better than feral kids with no prospects.
Will the apprentices be youngsters? Will youngsters be taught to read and write before they go into academic studies? OR is it to massage the out of work figures. Presumably, he will visit all the South's towns to organise such with other colleges and academies AND pay a hefty price to the Principals who run these colleges. Mind you, what I cannot understand is, why not purchase forks and shovels, paint brushes and a spanner and hammer and order the young kids to learn discipline, keep good time and paint and posh up Southampton. goard
MaxxieO
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11:36am Mon 23 Feb 09
Security word: Rich-rare, how apt.
southy
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11:36am Mon 23 Feb 09
jammyswine wrote:it be better if they went back to the old system where you spent at lest 4 years learning the trade, than to have 4 years of learning shoved in to a few weeks.and bring back one man one job so he can be a master of his trade and not be a jack of all trades
goard wrote:I work in this sector and apprentices are mainly younger but can be of any age. Part of the apprenticeship is an assessment of basic skills, followed by training on any shortfalls. I agree with the discipline part but this is surely better than feral kids with no prospects.
Will the apprentices be youngsters? Will youngsters be taught to read and write before they go into academic studies? OR is it to massage the out of work figures. Presumably, he will visit all the South's towns to organise such with other colleges and academies AND pay a hefty price to the Principals who run these colleges. Mind you, what I cannot understand is, why not purchase forks and shovels, paint brushes and a spanner and hammer and order the young kids to learn discipline, keep good time and paint and posh up Southampton. goard
jm3393
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11:44am Mon 23 Feb 09
Fred also did a piece to camera as he stepped off the train, and I suspect that will feature on Meridian Tonight this evening. It was quite 'exciting' as a variation from the day-to-day commute, that's for sure; it's not every day you can say you were on the same train as the Prime Minister (although I didn't recognise any of his faceless Cabinet colleagues, and just assumed they were hangers-on in their suits!)...
Stubs
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11:54am Mon 23 Feb 09
MaxxieO
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11:56am Mon 23 Feb 09
Stubs wrote:You really think the Tories will be any better? God you have a short memory! I don't like Nu-Labour, not at all but they have done some good things like the minimum wage.
Labour - We do not need anymore flats or shopping centres. Just bring Southampton to how it was before you came to power in 1997.
I agree about flats and shopping centres tho, however the Credit Crunch seems to have put a definite dampener on those.
alan partridge
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11:57am Mon 23 Feb 09
Your more than welcome to pop into my gaff for afternoon tea!
southy
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11:57am Mon 23 Feb 09
Stubs wrote:bring it back to how it was in 1979 would be a lot better.
Labour - We do not need anymore flats or shopping centres. Just bring Southampton to how it was before you came to power in 1997.
jammyswine
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11:58am Mon 23 Feb 09
southy wrote:The apprenticeships last as long as required, usually up to about 1-2 years. They are generally in subjects like engineering, construction trades but can be pretty much anything. They are aimed at both people wanting to get a qualification in a trade they already work in, sponsored by the employer. Or, an employer wants to take on an apprentice and will look to those already on the apprenticeship for someone to employ.
jammyswine wrote:it be better if they went back to the old system where you spent at lest 4 years learning the trade, than to have 4 years of learning shoved in to a few weeks.and bring back one man one job so he can be a master of his trade and not be a jack of all tradesgoard wrote: Will the apprentices be youngsters? Will youngsters be taught to read and write before they go into academic studies? OR is it to massage the out of work figures. Presumably, he will visit all the South's towns to organise such with other colleges and academies AND pay a hefty price to the Principals who run these colleges. Mind you, what I cannot understand is, why not purchase forks and shovels, paint brushes and a spanner and hammer and order the young kids to learn discipline, keep good time and paint and posh up Southampton. goardI work in this sector and apprentices are mainly younger but can be of any age. Part of the apprenticeship is an assessment of basic skills, followed by training on any shortfalls. I agree with the discipline part but this is surely better than feral kids with no prospects.
MaxxieO
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11:58am Mon 23 Feb 09
MaxxieO wrote:My dads a builder and has really seen a huge downturn in work in the last year.
Stubs wrote: Labour - We do not need anymore flats or shopping centres. Just bring Southampton to how it was before you came to power in 1997.You really think the Tories will be any better? God you have a short memory! I don't like Nu-Labour, not at all but they have done some good things like the minimum wage. I agree about flats and shopping centres tho, however the Credit Crunch seems to have put a definite dampener on those.
Security word: Show-deal. Very true of this huge media farse.
owen_thesaints
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12:00pm Mon 23 Feb 09
Stubs wrote:I'd worry about where I lived first not a neighbouring city.
Labour - We do not need anymore flats or shopping centres. Just bring Southampton to how it was before you came to power in 1997.
Always amazes me how many people from outside the city want change in Southampton, (the ice rink is a good example). Leave Southampton to us locals :)
lallanaland
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12:03pm Mon 23 Feb 09
southy
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12:14pm Mon 23 Feb 09
if you was on a ship learning the trade from the bottom it would take you at lest 4 years has a greaser just to make it up to a donkey man, and a year or more before you could up grade to 4th or 3rd engineer.
southy
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12:16pm Mon 23 Feb 09
lallanaland wrote:dont forget that tory prime minster john major was unelected leader to. he took over from m.thatcher
Would that be the prime minister that was not elected?
Family Man
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12:17pm Mon 23 Feb 09
8:53am Mon 23 Feb 09
"Earlier Mr Brown was given a tour or Southampton City College "
And this article was posted at 6.30am! How early did they start the tour??
They had to start early, nay very early! to avoid temporary road works, temporary traffic lights, traffic queues, semi-permanent rush hour traffic conditions and hold ups...
sadtobehere
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12:25pm Mon 23 Feb 09
derry
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12:28pm Mon 23 Feb 09
jm3393 wrote:Yes, and the prat's cars were driven down and were waiting for them on the wrong side of the station.
Don't suppose anyone will be interested, but Gordon Brown and his cabinet were on the same train as me this morning!! They made the train longer than usual, just for him (which was handy for us fellow commuters who had the extra space - but we couldn't have had Gordon Brown standing on our overcrowded trains, could we?) - Fred Dineage (of Meridian Tonight) was also on the train from Waterloo to Southampton Central, accompanied by a camera man, and briefly interviewed the Prime Minister in the First Class part of the train (I believe, having overheard Fred, just a couple of yards away, talking on his mobile phone to what sounded like his producer). I didn't know it was actually Gordon Brown on the train until I saw him getting off it at Southampton, but it explained a lot! Fred also did a piece to camera as he stepped off the train, and I suspect that will feature on Meridian Tonight this evening. It was quite 'exciting' as a variation from the day-to-day commute, that's for sure; it's not every day you can say you were on the same train as the Prime Minister (although I didn't recognise any of his faceless Cabinet colleagues, and just assumed they were hangers-on in their suits!)...
This lot couldn't even get their own transport arrangements right, you couldn't make it up.
MaxxieO
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12:39pm Mon 23 Feb 09
sadtobehere wrote:Why? Armed robberies, illeagle parking and shoplifting have always been happening. I don't see anything the government has done that has apparantly made that worse. As a society things have changed; the problem is...well I don't know actually but I don't see it as something Labour has specifically done.
Yes, the police will be out in force for this charade. The public will not be able to speak to them. Yet the police are never out on the beat in Portswood. The area is a no go area with armed robberies, illegal parking and shop lifters. This is the result of this labour government.
INTP
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12:45pm Mon 23 Feb 09
goard
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12:57pm Mon 23 Feb 09
goard
Bartonian
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1:02pm Mon 23 Feb 09
MaxxieO
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1:05pm Mon 23 Feb 09
INTP wrote:It'll do that alright.
Perhaps his presence alone will do the same as IKEA has done so far…challenge your current way of thinking.
jammyswine
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1:14pm Mon 23 Feb 09
jammyswine says I completely agree. They are designed, as vocational courses to allow some benchmarking of competence in their job roles. There are different levels don't forget as the course is usually an NVQ which goes from Level 1 (GCSE C-F) to Level 5 (Batchelor Degree). Most start at Level 2 (GCSE A*-C).
Cairns
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1:14pm Mon 23 Feb 09
Maybe the train passed through here...
Dull boring and a waste of time printing it in what is meant to be a local newspaper
Alf
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1:28pm Mon 23 Feb 09
SotonLad
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1:37pm Mon 23 Feb 09
sadtobehere wrote:All comes down to budgets I expect - the police will be given loads of dosh to pay for events like this and counter terrorism events but limited budgets for day to day frontline policing. Thats from the government, nothing front line bobbies can do anything about
Yes, the police will be out in force for this charade. The public will not be able to speak to them. Yet the police are never out on the beat in Portswood. The area is a no go area with armed robberies, illegal parking and shop lifters. This is the result of this labour government.
downfader
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1:38pm Mon 23 Feb 09
The theres the things like mobiles, computers, consumer products.. toys.. you name it. None of it made here.
We should strive to be a self sufficient nation in many ways. Should things ever go pear shaped abroad and trade routes cut off where would we stand?
There also needs to be an end to the black hole that sucks up money from the public - public servants taking huge pay cheques for one, advisers to the nhs for another example.
Big business and franchise should also be forced to pay a decent wage to their employees. A certain super market actually shares its profits with its employees, why cant the rest do the same?
Another thing that annoys me about our country that could easily be sorted out is a simplification of UK law. Its practically written in a foreign language and people find it hard to know their rights as a result or have to pay out for legal advice where that shouldnt be necessary
Sorry.. I'm going into a bit of a rant, lol. Got the day off
jammyswine
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1:44pm Mon 23 Feb 09
It is, the laws are made in Brussels, the law is in Flemish!
Home Rule for England
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1:44pm Mon 23 Feb 09
He has not arranged similar meetings in Scotland and Wales because he has no authority in respect of those nations domestic affairs. Brown couldn't care less about the nation of England. His main concern is the well being of his beloved Scotland. That's why he signed the Scottish Claim of Right in 1988, promising to put Scotland above all others!
It's time England declared independence!
RP2
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2:40pm Mon 23 Feb 09
sadtobehere wrote:Unless you are sat at home looking out of your window 24 hours a day, I seriously do not believe that the police are never out in Portswood.
Yes, the police will be out in force for this charade. The public will not be able to speak to them. Yet the police are never out on the beat in Portswood. The area is a no go area with armed robberies, illegal parking and shop lifters. This is the result of this labour government.
Armed robberies have always and will always happen. It seems like it happens more often because the press report it all out of proportion. This in turn causes concern amongst the populous, which in turn gets reported on by the press, which raised even more concern. And so on.
Illegal parking is nothing to do with the Police any more since the City Council took over enforcement - I suggest you send your complaints in the correct direction.
Shoplifting has been going on for thousands of years, so I don't see how the Labour government can be held to blame. I also cannot see how shoplifters make Portswood a no go area - not unless they are nicking all of the shops so that there is nowhere to go...
southy
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2:49pm Mon 23 Feb 09
TGRWorzel
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2:50pm Mon 23 Feb 09
Boris Remmington
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3:09pm Mon 23 Feb 09
Worzel - dream on they only wanted brown noses to ask questions
10 Minute Man
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3:54pm Mon 23 Feb 09
TGRWorzel wrote:Heh, another paid up party shill....thanks for valuable critical input to the discussion.
The PM and Cabinet are very welcome to my home town. I hope they've enjoyed the trip. I also hope they listen to what ordinary people from all sections of the community are telling them, not just business leaders, officials, dignitaries and Labour party-supporters....
Andy Locks Heath
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5:34pm Mon 23 Feb 09
PWT
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7:03pm Mon 23 Feb 09
ly needed to go into IKEA and not buy anything as nothing in stock :-)
Pathetic.
ex so'ton
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8:21pm Mon 23 Feb 09
INTP wrote:Ein leben, ein welt, eine mensche, sounds dangerously like ,,Ein Kampf, Ein Reich, Einer Fuhrer"! Doesn't have too much to do with the visit for one day only of the Cabinet. We the population are paying in full for these junkets and away days on the railway. I bet their train was not late! No doubt the roads were cleared before hand and the cavalcade went on its merry way. And in the end what does it all achieve? Anything? They listen, but do not hear, they look, but do not see, and they touch not, but feel not for the person in the street. Another day of golden opportunities wasted. The recession will not hit Southampton, but it has laid waste to a whole host of big-time plans, expensive new developments and woe factors.
One love, one world, one people
southy
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8:39pm Mon 23 Feb 09
ex so'ton
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9:23pm Mon 23 Feb 09
southy wrote:Just what New Labour would like to fool the general population into thinking, they are wolves in sheeps' clothing and really fool nobody. We will find out at the next General Election, the financial crises will be well deep when the time comes, and the unemployment figures will be very high. Watch this space carefully. There is far worse to come yet!
all the tory and liberals council members was there at the meeting, but only a few labour council members got ask. like i said in the pass this ne-labour is nothing short off a tory party now.
Peoples Poet
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9:35pm Mon 23 Feb 09
Like Lowe, people said "GO!", Gordon said "No".
"I have work to do", "I'm going to see it through", what he says is true.
Vote labour, Gordon is our saviour, there is no-one brave-er.
Peoples Poet 2009
southy
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11:23pm Mon 23 Feb 09
Peoples Poet wrote:dont give up on the day time job if you call rapping has poetry
Gordon brown is getting on down with the people of this here town.
Like Lowe, people said "GO!", Gordon said "No".
"I have work to do", "I'm going to see it through", what he says is true.
Vote labour, Gordon is our saviour, there is no-one brave-er.
Peoples Poet 2009
anothermike
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11:56pm Mon 23 Feb 09
southy
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12:06am Tue 24 Feb 09
B. L.
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3:45pm Wed 25 Feb 09
southy wrote:Southy, you are assuming he/she has a day time job with a (poetic?)rant like that. :o)
Peoples Poet wrote:dont give up on the day time job if you call rapping has poetry
Gordon brown is getting on down with the people of this here town.
Like Lowe, people said "GO!", Gordon said "No".
"I have work to do", "I'm going to see it through", what he says is true.
Vote labour, Gordon is our saviour, there is no-one brave-er.
Peoples Poet 2009
B. L.
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3:50pm Wed 25 Feb 09
8:21pm Mon 23 Feb 09
INTP wrote:
One love, one world, one people
Ein leben, ein welt, eine mensche, sounds dangerously like ,,Ein Kampf, Ein Reich, Einer Fuhrer"! Doesn't have too much to do with the visit for one day only of the Cabinet. We the population are paying in full for these junkets and away days on the railway. I bet their train was not late! No doubt the roads were cleared before hand and the cavalcade went on its merry way. And in the end what does it all achieve? Anything? They listen, but do not hear, they look, but do not see, and they touch not, but feel not for the person in the street. Another day of golden opportunities wasted. The recession will not hit Southampton, but it has laid waste to a whole host of big-time plans, expensive new developments and woe factors.
Sounded very much like the aims of a certain religion whose name you are probably not allowed to mention1
robhuk
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6:00pm Fri 27 Feb 09
Bill Loney says...
7:19am Mon 23 Feb 09