Southampton's Bargate Centre and Debenhams store to be demolished

Bargate Shopping Centre

Bargate Shopping Centre

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SOUTHAMPTON’S Bargate Shopping Centre will be flattened to make way for a unique covered shopping street, the Daily Echo can reveal.

The nearby Debenhams department store on Queens Way would also be demolished and replaced by a residential tower overlooking Hoglands and Houndwell parks.

A brand new Debenhams would then become the flagship store of a new Bargate pedestrian parade, off the High Street, which would feature a mix of boutique and independent shops.

The city council is in talks with developers Parkridge Holdings, which owns both the Bargate centre and the Debenhams site, about how to revitalise what has become one of the most neglected areas of the city in recent years.

Bargate Shopping Centre, which opened 20 years ago, is today almost entirely vacant and is little more than a teenage hangout area.

Shops have been closing on a regular basis since even before the credit crunch took hold.

A Shakeaway milkshake shop, Sega amusement arcade and an Internet café are among the last traders occupying the threestorey centre.

Rather than simply building another shopping mall, to compete with WestQuay and The Mall Marlands, it is envisaged the centre will be replaced by a new upmarket “covered street”.

Councillor Royston Smith, Cabinet member for economic development, said: “It is early days at the moment because of the economic climate but we are very interested in their proposals to regenerate that part of town.

“Rather than having another shopping mall, as we already have two of those, you would have a shopping street. The shops would be protected from the wind and rain, but it would be completely open.

“We will also look to attract a load of smaller, independent shops that we currently don’t have in WestQuay and are currently struggling to bring into the city.”

Southampton city centre manager Ian McClurg- Welland welcomed the proposals and said he would like the new precinct to have a “village atmosphere”.

He cited the soon to open SouthGate shopping centre in Bath and the Arc Centre in Bury St Edmunds, which opened in March and is anchored by a dramatic curved-shape Debenhams, as inspirations for Southampton.

“The covered street is a novel approach. It’s important to create a different feel in different parts of the city and if Parkridge are going down that line then that is a positive sign,” he said.

“It could just be the uniqueness that Southampton possibly requires. I’d like to see more boutique shops around Bargate and I think that area is calling out to have its own identity, perhaps as a new ‘Bargate Village’.”

Bargate Shopping Centre was sold to Parkridge Holdings, a European property giant, for £17.25m in February 2008 just as the credit crunch was starting to bite.

While no planning application will be submitted to the city council until the economic climate improves, all parties believe now is the time to plan for the future.

A spokesman for Parkridge last night said no details of the plans would be confirmed before the submission of a planning application.

However, he said they were committed to pushing ahead with a major redevelopment.

“The site occupies a strategic location in the city centre and, subject to sensitive and appropriate redevelopment, will play major role in revitalising Southampton as a retail destination and helping grow its position in the hierarchy of UK city centres,”

the spokesman said.

“Given the current economic conditions, plans for any major redevelopment work have inevitably been delayed although Parkridge is committed to submitting a planning application when it is economically prudent to do so.”

Debenhams was unavailable for comment.

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11:45am Wed 22 Jul 09

St Retford says...

This is excellent news. The West Quay development and the corporatisation of the city centre has ruined Southampton for independent shops, so hopefully this might create something with a bit of personality that would actually provide a reason for people to travel to shop in Southampton as opposed to any of the 1,000 other identical towns and shopping centres that blight this country.
This is excellent news. The West Quay development and the corporatisation of the city centre has ruined Southampton for independent shops, so hopefully this might create something with a bit of personality that would actually provide a reason for people to travel to shop in Southampton as opposed to any of the 1,000 other identical towns and shopping centres that blight this country. St Retford
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11:46am Wed 22 Jul 09

freemantlegirl2 says...

"The nearby Debenhams department store on Queens Way would also be demolished and replaced by a residential tower overlooking Hoglands and Houndwell parks."


is a 'residential tower' another word for a block of flats?? i thought the UK had a policy of not building tower blocks any more?? or are these going to be full of flats for people who pay for a nice view from their penthouse suite?

and what makes the Council think that shops on street level won't suffer from the recession too? or be able to afford the rent?
"The nearby Debenhams department store on Queens Way would also be demolished and replaced by a residential tower overlooking Hoglands and Houndwell parks." is a 'residential tower' another word for a block of flats?? i thought the UK had a policy of not building tower blocks any more?? or are these going to be full of flats for people who pay for a nice view from their penthouse suite? and what makes the Council think that shops on street level won't suffer from the recession too? or be able to afford the rent? freemantlegirl2
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11:54am Wed 22 Jul 09

allmove4ward2geva says...

wow thats something different, not too sure about mroe residential apartments in town though
wow thats something different, not too sure about mroe residential apartments in town though allmove4ward2geva
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12:09pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Ocean Village resident says...

Nice idea but pie-in-the-sky in the current economic climate. Will never happen.
Why don't those conjuring up these projects on a weekly basis take a look at those that have failed to get of the ground in recent years. It's a fairly substantial catalogue...
Nice idea but pie-in-the-sky in the current economic climate. Will never happen. Why don't those conjuring up these projects on a weekly basis take a look at those that have failed to get of the ground in recent years. It's a fairly substantial catalogue... Ocean Village resident
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12:10pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Ocean Village resident says...

The opening para is also very misleading as this has a long way to go before it's even seriously considered. Tut tut.
The opening para is also very misleading as this has a long way to go before it's even seriously considered. Tut tut. Ocean Village resident
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12:13pm Wed 22 Jul 09

southy says...

it be sad to see edwin jones building going.
what they should be looking at this council is, any thing with in the old city walls, keep for the city and build in side the walls an oldie worldie place, some thing like from the 12 century, some thing that would bring visitors to the city.
it be sad to see edwin jones building going. what they should be looking at this council is, any thing with in the old city walls, keep for the city and build in side the walls an oldie worldie place, some thing like from the 12 century, some thing that would bring visitors to the city. southy
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12:16pm Wed 22 Jul 09

busylizzie says...

Ocean Village resident wrote:
The opening para is also very misleading as this has a long way to go before it's even seriously considered. Tut tut.
Hope you're right. Not more flats!

And the parking in the Bargate centre is cheap and convenient (though the car park itself is quite manky) - I will be sorry to see that go.
[quote][p][bold]Ocean Village resident[/bold] wrote: The opening para is also very misleading as this has a long way to go before it's even seriously considered. Tut tut.[/p][/quote]Hope you're right. Not more flats! And the parking in the Bargate centre is cheap and convenient (though the car park itself is quite manky) - I will be sorry to see that go. busylizzie
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12:17pm Wed 22 Jul 09

josh_drakester says...

Awesome news, and a new indoor street sounds great! I hope Shakeaway and Wesley Owen book store will be able to re-locate within the city though because the both great stores!

More apartments! Crazy, oh well, i spoze the population is increasing...
Awesome news, and a new indoor street sounds great! I hope Shakeaway and Wesley Owen book store will be able to re-locate within the city though because the both great stores! More apartments! Crazy, oh well, i spoze the population is increasing... josh_drakester
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12:22pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Willy1 says...

No comment from Andy yet about this story?
No comment from Andy yet about this story? Willy1
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12:22pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Iain says...

I still don't quite get what the difference between a mall and a covered street is. They're both shops under cover, right?
I still don't quite get what the difference between a mall and a covered street is. They're both shops under cover, right? Iain
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12:24pm Wed 22 Jul 09

southampton_uk says...

These new independent shops are they the same ones that have all gone bust over the last year which is why the Bargate Centre is empty or totally new independent shops that will suddenly open up just because the Bargate Centre is torn down and rebuilt in a street style concept with higher rents and business rates.
These new independent shops are they the same ones that have all gone bust over the last year which is why the Bargate Centre is empty or totally new independent shops that will suddenly open up just because the Bargate Centre is torn down and rebuilt in a street style concept with higher rents and business rates. southampton_uk
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12:34pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Condor Man says...

Great news, just what the city needs. The Bargate was a duff centre from the start. All we need now is for the East St Shopping Centre to go.
Great news, just what the city needs. The Bargate was a duff centre from the start. All we need now is for the East St Shopping Centre to go. Condor Man
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12:35pm Wed 22 Jul 09

MrGMan says...

good news. well done council!
good news. well done council! MrGMan
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12:37pm Wed 22 Jul 09

MaxxieO says...

What a shame, that old Debenhams store is one of the best and most unaltered post-war department stores I have seen and is of an interesting design that makes good use of the odd-shaped site. Parts of it have been altered unsympathetically but there are a lot of original features, particularly in the areas not open to the public. The yellow tiles and wooden paneling in the staff entrance are amazing!

With Owen and Owen gutted and filled with bland high-street chain stores and Tyrell & Green to go imminently, it's the end of an era.

Some of these old buildings should be listed so that future generations can see how people used to shop.

Personally, I've always quite liked the Bargate Centre although it's architecturally post-modern junk, particularly the external facades, the place used to have a certain ambience. It seems a waste to me to pull down a building thats only about 20 years old, if they want an open air mall, why not just take the roof off and smarten up the facades? Saves money and better for the environment.

I am assuming it is a simple concrete column and slab structure that could easily be adapted as required, the external facades could also be replaced and the courtyard could make a nice external feature without the roof - add some public art, benches, trees and a fountain and it would be a nice route to walk between Hanover Bldgs and East Street.
What a shame, that old Debenhams store is one of the best and most unaltered post-war department stores I have seen and is of an interesting design that makes good use of the odd-shaped site. Parts of it have been altered unsympathetically but there are a lot of original features, particularly in the areas not open to the public. The yellow tiles and wooden paneling in the staff entrance are amazing! With Owen and Owen gutted and filled with bland high-street chain stores and Tyrell & Green to go imminently, it's the end of an era. Some of these old buildings should be listed so that future generations can see how people used to shop. Personally, I've always quite liked the Bargate Centre although it's architecturally post-modern junk, particularly the external facades, the place used to have a certain ambience. It seems a waste to me to pull down a building thats only about 20 years old, if they want an open air mall, why not just take the roof off and smarten up the facades? Saves money and better for the environment. I am assuming it is a simple concrete column and slab structure that could easily be adapted as required, the external facades could also be replaced and the courtyard could make a nice external feature without the roof - add some public art, benches, trees and a fountain and it would be a nice route to walk between Hanover Bldgs and East Street. MaxxieO
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12:44pm Wed 22 Jul 09

MaxxieO says...

Condor Man wrote:
Great news, just what the city needs. The Bargate was a duff centre from the start. All we need now is for the East St Shopping Centre to go.
Yes, just what purpose does the East St centre serve now? It's been empty for years but demolition of that would be complicated by the office tower on top of it. Perhaps demolition of the rest of it (the southern side) and retaining and tidying up the northern side, where the office tower and Royal Oak pub are?

Trouble is, it's off the beaten track. Like the Bargate Centre, it could be smartened up and modernised. Divide the large shop units up into smaller ones, charge relatively row rents and encourage small independent shops in. Perhaps it could be used for an indoor market, a lot of towns and cities have these?
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Great news, just what the city needs. The Bargate was a duff centre from the start. All we need now is for the East St Shopping Centre to go.[/p][/quote]Yes, just what purpose does the East St centre serve now? It's been empty for years but demolition of that would be complicated by the office tower on top of it. Perhaps demolition of the rest of it (the southern side) and retaining and tidying up the northern side, where the office tower and Royal Oak pub are? Trouble is, it's off the beaten track. Like the Bargate Centre, it could be smartened up and modernised. Divide the large shop units up into smaller ones, charge relatively row rents and encourage small independent shops in. Perhaps it could be used for an indoor market, a lot of towns and cities have these? MaxxieO
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12:44pm Wed 22 Jul 09

southampton_uk says...

I would have thought Debenhams would do better to become the flagship store of West Quay 3 when its built
I would have thought Debenhams would do better to become the flagship store of West Quay 3 when its built southampton_uk
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1:08pm Wed 22 Jul 09

stmarysmush says...

Why noy flatten st marys street and build a covered street ? That needs a welcome make over instead of flattening a perfectly good store. Another waste of money for te council.
Why noy flatten st marys street and build a covered street ? That needs a welcome make over instead of flattening a perfectly good store. Another waste of money for te council. stmarysmush
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1:18pm Wed 22 Jul 09

AnnieP says...

Doesn't matter what they flatten and build, if they don't charge reasonable rents and rates these shops won't last any longer than the many boarded up shops that already fill the place.
Doesn't matter what they flatten and build, if they don't charge reasonable rents and rates these shops won't last any longer than the many boarded up shops that already fill the place. AnnieP
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1:27pm Wed 22 Jul 09

jsryates says...

Earth. A.K.A Third Mall from the Sun!
Earth. A.K.A Third Mall from the Sun! jsryates
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1:30pm Wed 22 Jul 09

disgusted observer says...

I am no expert on these matters but one of the main things wrong in the past with Southampton city shopping was that it was too spread out for most shoppers, you had Tyrell & Green at one end of town and Debenhams at the other some distance from each other, That is why West Quay is popular it is a shopping centre in one small area, no need to walk miles to shop.
I am no expert on these matters but one of the main things wrong in the past with Southampton city shopping was that it was too spread out for most shoppers, you had Tyrell & Green at one end of town and Debenhams at the other some distance from each other, That is why West Quay is popular it is a shopping centre in one small area, no need to walk miles to shop. disgusted observer
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1:33pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Jonny7oma says...

If you look closely at the interior of debenhams (the building not the displays) it does look very tired yet despite it being far away from WestQuay, still attracts customers. Unlike the shops in the Bargate centre which never really had any shops with a general appeal plus suffered from some twerp having a fit on a drawing board - a glass floor for goodness sake. Reminds me of the thing they built in Ocean village that tried desperately to be so trendy but had shops with nothing to buy (unless you liked coloured stones). If you want to see independant shops in a traditional environment then Shirley high street is the last bastion of that, probably because the business rate is lower. If the council want this new development to succeed, they must allow indepedant shops to mix with chains otherwise it'll be another white elephant ending in several neat piles of demolishers rubble.... and on the site of the current Debenhams.... they could build .... an ice rink!! Wayhey!
If you look closely at the interior of debenhams (the building not the displays) it does look very tired yet despite it being far away from WestQuay, still attracts customers. Unlike the shops in the Bargate centre which never really had any shops with a general appeal plus suffered from some twerp having a fit on a drawing board - a glass floor for goodness sake. Reminds me of the thing they built in Ocean village that tried desperately to be so trendy but had shops with nothing to buy (unless you liked coloured stones). If you want to see independant shops in a traditional environment then Shirley high street is the last bastion of that, probably because the business rate is lower. If the council want this new development to succeed, they must allow indepedant shops to mix with chains otherwise it'll be another white elephant ending in several neat piles of demolishers rubble.... and on the site of the current Debenhams.... they could build .... an ice rink!! Wayhey! Jonny7oma
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1:38pm Wed 22 Jul 09

goard says...

Well, at last we bloggers are brightening up - it is good news if the covered street materialises - hope I'm still around. Sometimes I wonder if the Council drop in these good news factors just to keep us quiet - like the Government burying bad news. However, I wish the council luck to fulfill their dreams for us. In Spain I went to the most impressive indoor market of all kinds of fresh food, good stuff it was too. People from miles around visited, and the various sellers were so professional with their presentation of the meat and fish. Don't make it a dream make it a reality Council.

goard
Well, at last we bloggers are brightening up - it is good news if the covered street materialises - hope I'm still around. Sometimes I wonder if the Council drop in these good news factors just to keep us quiet - like the Government burying bad news. However, I wish the council luck to fulfill their dreams for us. In Spain I went to the most impressive indoor market of all kinds of fresh food, good stuff it was too. People from miles around visited, and the various sellers were so professional with their presentation of the meat and fish. Don't make it a dream make it a reality Council. goard goard
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1:42pm Wed 22 Jul 09

S Pance says...

Where's the ice rink going to go?

Where's the ice rink going to go? S Pance
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1:43pm Wed 22 Jul 09

k87a says...

Southampton is in such a bad way, what are the council doing?!

There are so so so many empty stores now, it's depressing. Yes i agree something needs to be done about East St centre and that whole area. I am gutted about the recent closure of the Dolphin, it's bar and Bleu. such a charming place and a real rare treat in what is quite frankly, quite a souless city! Also, what on eart is going to happen to New Yorks at the bottom end of town? That has been empty for so many years and it's huge. PLEASE do not build more flats, why have they not learnt from the disaster of Ocean Village?! The flats have not sold, and now there are half built projects! The council have made so many stupid decision, just look at the lovely Bugle street area near the Bosuns pub and church. There is the lovely row of tradition terraced cottages by albion place and the bargate walls. And then there is that hideous tower block right in the middle of it all. How did that ever get the go ahead?! I have high hopes for this new 'Cultural Quarter' - i'm hoping that it will create some atmosphere! We need more culture, art THINGS TO DO. Southampton is flats and shops. And the flats arn't selling and the shops are closing. Sort out the parks (the lakes in the common are FULL of litter) - have some more features, snack huts, bars that stay open late with music and fairy ligts with somewhere to sit outside with space! The only thing we have near to that is Parkafe, which I have to say is so sweet with it's backgammon board games etc but it closed at 8. Have developers in this city not been to mainland europe at all? Or even brighton or bournemouth! We're supposed to be a sea side city! The city needs to get creative, what about ice cream parlous or more independent stores, some traditional bakeries, more social things to do!

Also, what are the plans for Meridian centre site?

Come on Southampton, sort it out!
Southampton is in such a bad way, what are the council doing?! There are so so so many empty stores now, it's depressing. Yes i agree something needs to be done about East St centre and that whole area. I am gutted about the recent closure of the Dolphin, it's bar and Bleu. such a charming place and a real rare treat in what is quite frankly, quite a souless city! Also, what on eart is going to happen to New Yorks at the bottom end of town? That has been empty for so many years and it's huge. PLEASE do not build more flats, why have they not learnt from the disaster of Ocean Village?! The flats have not sold, and now there are half built projects! The council have made so many stupid decision, just look at the lovely Bugle street area near the Bosuns pub and church. There is the lovely row of tradition terraced cottages by albion place and the bargate walls. And then there is that hideous tower block right in the middle of it all. How did that ever get the go ahead?! I have high hopes for this new 'Cultural Quarter' - i'm hoping that it will create some atmosphere! We need more culture, art THINGS TO DO. Southampton is flats and shops. And the flats arn't selling and the shops are closing. Sort out the parks (the lakes in the common are FULL of litter) - have some more features, snack huts, bars that stay open late with music and fairy ligts with somewhere to sit outside with space! The only thing we have near to that is Parkafe, which I have to say is so sweet with it's backgammon board games etc but it closed at 8. Have developers in this city not been to mainland europe at all? Or even brighton or bournemouth! We're supposed to be a sea side city! The city needs to get creative, what about ice cream parlous or more independent stores, some traditional bakeries, more social things to do! Also, what are the plans for Meridian centre site? Come on Southampton, sort it out! k87a
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1:45pm Wed 22 Jul 09

S Pance says...

QUOTE: "Rather than having another shopping mall, as we already have two of those, you would have a shopping street. The shops would be protected from the wind and rain, but it would be completely open.

“We will also look to attract a load of smaller, independent shops that we currently don’t have in WestQuay and are currently struggling to bring into the city.”

Surely we have THREE centres in addition to bargate? (West Quay, Marlands and East Street Centre)

Isn't East Street already a street full of specialist shops?
QUOTE: "Rather than having another shopping mall, as we already have two of those, you would have a shopping street. The shops would be protected from the wind and rain, but it would be completely open. “We will also look to attract a load of smaller, independent shops that we currently don’t have in WestQuay and are currently struggling to bring into the city.” Surely we have THREE centres in addition to bargate? (West Quay, Marlands and East Street Centre) Isn't East Street already a street full of specialist shops? S Pance
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1:46pm Wed 22 Jul 09

southy says...

whats needed is to get rid off the developers, put the building program back in the hands off the council, and while we at it get rid off all counciler's that dont live in the area that they represent, replave them with ones that do, that why the people will get what is needed and not some developers money making dream.
whats needed is to get rid off the developers, put the building program back in the hands off the council, and while we at it get rid off all counciler's that dont live in the area that they represent, replave them with ones that do, that why the people will get what is needed and not some developers money making dream. southy
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1:54pm Wed 22 Jul 09

StEmmosfire says...

Indeed, and that East Street centre is load cr@p too.

Think Debenhams is long overdue for a move, the city centre has been moving towards the west quay for a long time.

But please, please, please, NO MORE FLATS!

They cant even finish off the ones by the Air Museum.
Indeed, and that East Street centre is load cr@p too. Think Debenhams is long overdue for a move, the city centre has been moving towards the west quay for a long time. But please, please, please, NO MORE FLATS! They cant even finish off the ones by the Air Museum. StEmmosfire
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1:56pm Wed 22 Jul 09

MaxxieO says...

You're right K87a, Southampton is soulless and it's so disheartening. Unless you like chain stores, chain pubs and traffic lights, then there's not much 'culture' at all. Wasted opportunities.

The NYNY site and most of that road there have been derelict for ages and it looks a mess. The old Crusader pub on Bugle Street was destroyed and replaced with crappy flats and a car park. A lot of St Mary's Street has been razed and replaced with townhouses that are so bland and dull that John Major would get excited about them.

The Meridian studios have very recently been demolished but what for? More dull, bland flats I suspect that nobody will be able to afford.

Ocean Village's 'Canute's Palace' was a huge white elephant but at least it was somewhere you could go - nobody is going to say "I'm going to visit that delightful block of flats tonight".

The old ambulance station and clinic was demolished last year and replaced with...nothing actually. The same goes for the shops and garage behind the Mayflower.

Meanwhile, the C&A building was demolished so an exciting and important feature that will bring culture to the city and give something back to residents - an office building for fat-cat private sector contractors, wow, that's really going to bring the tourists in.

Meanwhile, Portsmouth, in the last ten years, has constructed a major landmark and a new shopping/entertainme
nt destination. It takes full advantage of its old town, naval heritage and harbour area...Southampton does have assets but is so woefully poor at promoting and improving them.

Security word: fund-less!!!
You're right K87a, Southampton is soulless and it's so disheartening. Unless you like chain stores, chain pubs and traffic lights, then there's not much 'culture' at all. Wasted opportunities. The NYNY site and most of that road there have been derelict for ages and it looks a mess. The old Crusader pub on Bugle Street was destroyed and replaced with crappy flats and a car park. A lot of St Mary's Street has been razed and replaced with townhouses that are so bland and dull that John Major would get excited about them. The Meridian studios have very recently been demolished but what for? More dull, bland flats I suspect that nobody will be able to afford. Ocean Village's 'Canute's Palace' was a huge white elephant but at least it was somewhere you could go - nobody is going to say "I'm going to visit that delightful block of flats tonight". The old ambulance station and clinic was demolished last year and replaced with...nothing actually. The same goes for the shops and garage behind the Mayflower. Meanwhile, the C&A building was demolished so an exciting and important feature that will bring culture to the city and give something back to residents - an office building for fat-cat private sector contractors, wow, that's really going to bring the tourists in. Meanwhile, Portsmouth, in the last ten years, has constructed a major landmark and a new shopping/entertainme nt destination. It takes full advantage of its old town, naval heritage and harbour area...Southampton does have assets but is so woefully poor at promoting and improving them. Security word: fund-less!!! MaxxieO
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1:59pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Lone Ranger says...

On the face of it seems a great idea.


The Bargate Ctre is a dump and always has been.

It may also be worth incorpoating the "Old Walls" that run down Hanover Bldgs at the back of Pizza Hut and between the Bargate Ctre. That could give the new potential covered street a great backdrop.

As regards Debenhams the building is now, like the rest of the area, a bit of an eysore.

The sooner that is raised to the ground the better.

But then more Bl**dy Flats.

Well done Tory council

But dont think you will be in power to see it.

Oh well every cloud etc etc
On the face of it seems a great idea. The Bargate Ctre is a dump and always has been. It may also be worth incorpoating the "Old Walls" that run down Hanover Bldgs at the back of Pizza Hut and between the Bargate Ctre. That could give the new potential covered street a great backdrop. As regards Debenhams the building is now, like the rest of the area, a bit of an eysore. The sooner that is raised to the ground the better. But then more Bl**dy Flats. Well done Tory council But dont think you will be in power to see it. Oh well every cloud etc etc Lone Ranger
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2:19pm Wed 22 Jul 09

m1ch43l says...

why not stop wasting money in town and sort the pier out instead we have all the cruise ships coming and going and new and old generations of people who have never seen the pier open. put some amusements along there a cafe benches etc tidy up around the area to make it more appealing it would be better then flats AGAIN. what happened to them putting an arena on mayflower park?
why not stop wasting money in town and sort the pier out instead we have all the cruise ships coming and going and new and old generations of people who have never seen the pier open. put some amusements along there a cafe benches etc tidy up around the area to make it more appealing it would be better then flats AGAIN. what happened to them putting an arena on mayflower park? m1ch43l
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2:27pm Wed 22 Jul 09

DONT-KNOCK-THE-ROCK says...

WHAT A DISGRACE. MORE COUNCIL BENEFIT FILTH, IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. WHY ??
WHAT A DISGRACE. MORE COUNCIL BENEFIT FILTH, IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN. WHY ?? DONT-KNOCK-THE-ROCK
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2:28pm Wed 22 Jul 09

k87a says...

m1ch43l wrote:
why not stop wasting money in town and sort the pier out instead we have all the cruise ships coming and going and new and old generations of people who have never seen the pier open. put some amusements along there a cafe benches etc tidy up around the area to make it more appealing it would be better then flats AGAIN. what happened to them putting an arena on mayflower park?
Aww yes good point mayflower park and the pier NEED to be revamped. So many families go down there with the kids and it's upsetting hhow actually horrible it is to see kids playin basketball in ruined courts and swimming in skank infested water!
[quote][p][bold]m1ch43l[/bold] wrote: why not stop wasting money in town and sort the pier out instead we have all the cruise ships coming and going and new and old generations of people who have never seen the pier open. put some amusements along there a cafe benches etc tidy up around the area to make it more appealing it would be better then flats AGAIN. what happened to them putting an arena on mayflower park?[/p][/quote]Aww yes good point mayflower park and the pier NEED to be revamped. So many families go down there with the kids and it's upsetting hhow actually horrible it is to see kids playin basketball in ruined courts and swimming in skank infested water! k87a
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3:01pm Wed 22 Jul 09

allsaintsnocurves says...

Well an Echo story wouldn't be the same without all the negative comments!

I think this is a really smart move if it is done right. I don't really like the location of the Bargate so flattening it is a good move.

The Debenhams building is dated so replacing that can only be a good move also. I assume it won't be an ugly looking tower block!

If only the ugly flats by the station could be knocked down Southampton would start having some attractive looking buildings around the place.
Well an Echo story wouldn't be the same without all the negative comments! I think this is a really smart move if it is done right. I don't really like the location of the Bargate so flattening it is a good move. The Debenhams building is dated so replacing that can only be a good move also. I assume it won't be an ugly looking tower block! If only the ugly flats by the station could be knocked down Southampton would start having some attractive looking buildings around the place. allsaintsnocurves
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3:01pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Redback says...

East Street shopping centre could be converted into a cracking multi-level nightclub. Just needs a bit of imagination and investment.

And if done right, it doesn't need to be a haven for binge-drinking and fighting either. Which would make a pleasant change.
East Street shopping centre could be converted into a cracking multi-level nightclub. Just needs a bit of imagination and investment. And if done right, it doesn't need to be a haven for binge-drinking and fighting either. Which would make a pleasant change. Redback
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3:02pm Wed 22 Jul 09

MaxxieO says...

allsaintsnocurves wrote:
Well an Echo story wouldn't be the same without all the negative comments! I think this is a really smart move if it is done right. I don't really like the location of the Bargate so flattening it is a good move. The Debenhams building is dated so replacing that can only be a good move also. I assume it won't be an ugly looking tower block! If only the ugly flats by the station could be knocked down Southampton would start having some attractive looking buildings around the place.
Why not convert it into an ice rink with upstairs viewing gallery?
[quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Well an Echo story wouldn't be the same without all the negative comments! I think this is a really smart move if it is done right. I don't really like the location of the Bargate so flattening it is a good move. The Debenhams building is dated so replacing that can only be a good move also. I assume it won't be an ugly looking tower block! If only the ugly flats by the station could be knocked down Southampton would start having some attractive looking buildings around the place.[/p][/quote]Why not convert it into an ice rink with upstairs viewing gallery? MaxxieO
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3:03pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Bartonian says...

Can they demolish the ugly Marlands next and give us back a bus station?
Can they demolish the ugly Marlands next and give us back a bus station? Bartonian
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3:09pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Boris Remmington says...

Flatten Southampton and bring in Portsmouth planning committee and their Football Club
Flatten Southampton and bring in Portsmouth planning committee and their Football Club Boris Remmington
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3:17pm Wed 22 Jul 09

MaxxieO says...

Bartonian wrote:
Can they demolish the ugly Marlands next and give us back a bus station?
You are right there, the Marlands looks hideous from outside.

While we're at it, get rid of that horrible multistorey car park behind the BBC studios, it looks as though the builders ran out of brown bricks halfway through and finished the job with beige bricks. It's dreadful and looks like something a four year old might build out of Lego.
[quote][p][bold]Bartonian[/bold] wrote: Can they demolish the ugly Marlands next and give us back a bus station?[/p][/quote]You are right there, the Marlands looks hideous from outside. While we're at it, get rid of that horrible multistorey car park behind the BBC studios, it looks as though the builders ran out of brown bricks halfway through and finished the job with beige bricks. It's dreadful and looks like something a four year old might build out of Lego. MaxxieO
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3:25pm Wed 22 Jul 09

tauntonsaint says...

That didn't last long!

I was part of the archaeological team that carried out excavations on that site in 1985. I lived in my caravan inside the old brewery building that stood on the site!
There was much Medieval evidence on the site but what sticks in my mind was the thick, black ash layer dating to the WW2 bombings.
That didn't last long! I was part of the archaeological team that carried out excavations on that site in 1985. I lived in my caravan inside the old brewery building that stood on the site! There was much Medieval evidence on the site but what sticks in my mind was the thick, black ash layer dating to the WW2 bombings. tauntonsaint
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3:42pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Brite Spark says...

Debenhams is a great store but it is so hot in there and stinks of perfume, I hope that the aircon is fully operational in the new store.
Debenhams is a great store but it is so hot in there and stinks of perfume, I hope that the aircon is fully operational in the new store. Brite Spark
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3:55pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Bartonian says...

Southampton needs a bus station again. Other towns and cities,such as Chelmsford and Macclesfield have constructed new stations as their councils obviously see be benefits. Why not Southampton. It's council through the years have had an obsession with flats and more shops (not forgetting imposing stealth parking charges), thus neglecting the opportunites that an efficient transport system could have brought.
Southampton needs a bus station again. Other towns and cities,such as Chelmsford and Macclesfield have constructed new stations as their councils obviously see be benefits. Why not Southampton. It's council through the years have had an obsession with flats and more shops (not forgetting imposing stealth parking charges), thus neglecting the opportunites that an efficient transport system could have brought. Bartonian
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4:18pm Wed 22 Jul 09

damien thorn says...

all these old out of date buildings should be flattened,make parkland,child freindly areas,my most hated building is nelson gate,just hideous.
all these old out of date buildings should be flattened,make parkland,child freindly areas,my most hated building is nelson gate,just hideous. damien thorn
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4:24pm Wed 22 Jul 09

MaxxieO says...

Nelson Gate is not a nice building, very monolithic and a prime example of all that is bad about late Brutalist buildings that often resemble a fortress to keep people out.

Overline House by the station is not good either.

Those houses on the corner by the roundabout to Shirley are vey ugly as well and half of them always seem derelict. Whoever designed them seemed to be trying to fuse Mock Tudor with triangular windows and zany brickwork.
Nelson Gate is not a nice building, very monolithic and a prime example of all that is bad about late Brutalist buildings that often resemble a fortress to keep people out. Overline House by the station is not good either. Those houses on the corner by the roundabout to Shirley are vey ugly as well and half of them always seem derelict. Whoever designed them seemed to be trying to fuse Mock Tudor with triangular windows and zany brickwork. MaxxieO
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4:44pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Northam Lady says...

I moved here 7 years ago when I was told it was a Regeneration Area. All I've seen ever since is a DEgeneration Area. Before another of these Pie in the Sky projects are mooted (which always come to nothing, credit crunch or no credit crunch), how about doing something about restoring the Pier and the Waterfront to offer something to the current residents of Southampton and the visitors which me might be able to attract.
I moved here 7 years ago when I was told it was a Regeneration Area. All I've seen ever since is a DEgeneration Area. Before another of these Pie in the Sky projects are mooted (which always come to nothing, credit crunch or no credit crunch), how about doing something about restoring the Pier and the Waterfront to offer something to the current residents of Southampton and the visitors which me might be able to attract. Northam Lady
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5:01pm Wed 22 Jul 09

allsaintsnocurves says...

MaxxieO wrote:
allsaintsnocurves wrote: Well an Echo story wouldn't be the same without all the negative comments! I think this is a really smart move if it is done right. I don't really like the location of the Bargate so flattening it is a good move. The Debenhams building is dated so replacing that can only be a good move also. I assume it won't be an ugly looking tower block! If only the ugly flats by the station could be knocked down Southampton would start having some attractive looking buildings around the place.
Why not convert it into an ice rink with upstairs viewing gallery?
It's probably big enough...maybe they could have an art gallery built inside it and start showing off some more of the 100s of paintings sitting in storage! :)
Then all southampton would need is a transportation system / monorail so you can easily get around the place!
[quote][p][bold]MaxxieO[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]allsaintsnocurves[/bold] wrote: Well an Echo story wouldn't be the same without all the negative comments! I think this is a really smart move if it is done right. I don't really like the location of the Bargate so flattening it is a good move. The Debenhams building is dated so replacing that can only be a good move also. I assume it won't be an ugly looking tower block! If only the ugly flats by the station could be knocked down Southampton would start having some attractive looking buildings around the place.[/p][/quote]Why not convert it into an ice rink with upstairs viewing gallery?[/p][/quote]It's probably big enough...maybe they could have an art gallery built inside it and start showing off some more of the 100s of paintings sitting in storage! :) Then all southampton would need is a transportation system / monorail so you can easily get around the place! allsaintsnocurves
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5:17pm Wed 22 Jul 09

goard says...

The Council is no longer their own man - we are all owned lock stock and barrel by two or three Big Brothers and a Godfather. Perhaps we should pay homage from time to time with a cap full of silver.

goard
The Council is no longer their own man - we are all owned lock stock and barrel by two or three Big Brothers and a Godfather. Perhaps we should pay homage from time to time with a cap full of silver. goard goard
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5:26pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Bartonian says...

goard wrote:
The Council is no longer their own man - we are all owned lock stock and barrel by two or three Big Brothers and a Godfather. Perhaps we should pay homage from time to time with a cap full of silver. goard
Maybe you should get a copy of "The Corporate takeover of Britain." In it, there is a chapter called "The smashing of Southampton." It just about says everything in what has been going on in the city over recent years.
[quote][p][bold]goard[/bold] wrote: The Council is no longer their own man - we are all owned lock stock and barrel by two or three Big Brothers and a Godfather. Perhaps we should pay homage from time to time with a cap full of silver. goard[/p][/quote]Maybe you should get a copy of "The Corporate takeover of Britain." In it, there is a chapter called "The smashing of Southampton." It just about says everything in what has been going on in the city over recent years. Bartonian
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5:37pm Wed 22 Jul 09

soton1980 says...

I think it sounds like a brilliant idea, but I have concerns about the relocation of shops which are currently in the Bargate Centre and this 'residential tower'.

If it is done tastefully and has adequate parking, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with it though.

As for a new Debenhams store, that would be brilliant! I must admit, whilst the current store is good, it is starting to look a bit tired!

More independant shops would be a real boost to the city. With this and the new cultural quarter being built, it could attract thousands to the city. I really get the sense that Southampton City Council have realised that more has to be done to keep Southampton as one of the major cities on the south coast and ahead of Portsmouth.

Whether or not they will implement these ideas in a tasteful and practical way is another matter, but at least we can hope!

I think it sounds like a brilliant idea, but I have concerns about the relocation of shops which are currently in the Bargate Centre and this 'residential tower'. If it is done tastefully and has adequate parking, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with it though. As for a new Debenhams store, that would be brilliant! I must admit, whilst the current store is good, it is starting to look a bit tired! More independant shops would be a real boost to the city. With this and the new cultural quarter being built, it could attract thousands to the city. I really get the sense that Southampton City Council have realised that more has to be done to keep Southampton as one of the major cities on the south coast and ahead of Portsmouth. Whether or not they will implement these ideas in a tasteful and practical way is another matter, but at least we can hope! soton1980
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6:25pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Condor Man says...

soton1980 wrote:
I think it sounds like a brilliant idea, but I have concerns about the relocation of shops which are currently in the Bargate Centre and this 'residential tower'. If it is done tastefully and has adequate parking, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with it though. As for a new Debenhams store, that would be brilliant! I must admit, whilst the current store is good, it is starting to look a bit tired! More independant shops would be a real boost to the city. With this and the new cultural quarter being built, it could attract thousands to the city. I really get the sense that Southampton City Council have realised that more has to be done to keep Southampton as one of the major cities on the south coast and ahead of Portsmouth. Whether or not they will implement these ideas in a tasteful and practical way is another matter, but at least we can hope!
Many of the shops, like Rockbottom Toys, are moving to the Marlands. There are many vacant shops in that part of town where others could relocate.

Southampton must keep its shopping centre ahead of local rivals.
[quote][p][bold]soton1980[/bold] wrote: I think it sounds like a brilliant idea, but I have concerns about the relocation of shops which are currently in the Bargate Centre and this 'residential tower'. If it is done tastefully and has adequate parking, then I don't think anyone would have a problem with it though. As for a new Debenhams store, that would be brilliant! I must admit, whilst the current store is good, it is starting to look a bit tired! More independant shops would be a real boost to the city. With this and the new cultural quarter being built, it could attract thousands to the city. I really get the sense that Southampton City Council have realised that more has to be done to keep Southampton as one of the major cities on the south coast and ahead of Portsmouth. Whether or not they will implement these ideas in a tasteful and practical way is another matter, but at least we can hope! [/p][/quote]Many of the shops, like Rockbottom Toys, are moving to the Marlands. There are many vacant shops in that part of town where others could relocate. Southampton must keep its shopping centre ahead of local rivals. Condor Man
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6:44pm Wed 22 Jul 09

veracity says...

Voice in the wildnerness here. I think Soton is a good pa\lce to live. Go to most big cities. Plenty of flats, plenty of empty shops. Sign of the times I'm afraid
Maxxie O was lauding Portsmouth. Gunwharf is Ok but Tower built with Lottery money and Tax payers debt
Also there big plans for a w Quay rival has not progressed for economic reasions nor has there footy stadium
Bet v few of the moaners on here voted in the local election or canvass there local councillors. Esay to moan and groan but do nothing about it
These plans make sense but only time will tell if they happen
Voice in the wildnerness here. I think Soton is a good pa\lce to live. Go to most big cities. Plenty of flats, plenty of empty shops. Sign of the times I'm afraid Maxxie O was lauding Portsmouth. Gunwharf is Ok but Tower built with Lottery money and Tax payers debt Also there big plans for a w Quay rival has not progressed for economic reasions nor has there footy stadium Bet v few of the moaners on here voted in the local election or canvass there local councillors. Esay to moan and groan but do nothing about it These plans make sense but only time will tell if they happen veracity
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6:51pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Rob444 says...

Bartonian wrote:
Southampton needs a bus station again. Other towns and cities,such as Chelmsford and Macclesfield have constructed new stations as their councils obviously see be benefits. Why not Southampton. It's council through the years have had an obsession with flats and more shops (not forgetting imposing stealth parking charges), thus neglecting the opportunites that an efficient transport system could have brought.
Here we are, well into the 21st century. Local towns such as Eastleigh and Lymington have bus stations but the big city of Southampton (16th largest by population in England, 2001) hasn't.

Vincents Walk and part of Pound Tree Road could be replaced by a proper bus station.

[quote][p][bold]Bartonian[/bold] wrote: Southampton needs a bus station again. Other towns and cities,such as Chelmsford and Macclesfield have constructed new stations as their councils obviously see be benefits. Why not Southampton. It's council through the years have had an obsession with flats and more shops (not forgetting imposing stealth parking charges), thus neglecting the opportunites that an efficient transport system could have brought. [/p][/quote]Here we are, well into the 21st century. Local towns such as Eastleigh and Lymington have bus stations but the big city of Southampton (16th largest by population in England, 2001) hasn't. Vincents Walk and part of Pound Tree Road could be replaced by a proper bus station. Rob444
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6:55pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Redback says...

Northam Lady wrote:
I moved here 7 years ago when I was told it was a Regeneration Area. All I've seen ever since is a DEgeneration Area. Before another of these Pie in the Sky projects are mooted (which always come to nothing, credit crunch or no credit crunch), how about doing something about restoring the Pier and the Waterfront to offer something to the current residents of Southampton and the visitors which me might be able to attract.
Same here.

I RETURNED to the area around 7 years ago, as it very obviously has so much potential.

But 7 years later, potential is still all it has.
[quote][p][bold]Northam Lady[/bold] wrote: I moved here 7 years ago when I was told it was a Regeneration Area. All I've seen ever since is a DEgeneration Area. Before another of these Pie in the Sky projects are mooted (which always come to nothing, credit crunch or no credit crunch), how about doing something about restoring the Pier and the Waterfront to offer something to the current residents of Southampton and the visitors which me might be able to attract. [/p][/quote]Same here. I RETURNED to the area around 7 years ago, as it very obviously has so much potential. But 7 years later, potential is still all it has. Redback
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7:13pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Rob444 says...

The problem with central Southampton is that much of it was decimated during WW2, after which rebuilding took place in a piecemeal fashion to get the local economy going again.

Ever since then, there hasn't been any planning as such. Developers simply applied for planning permission which the council usually passed.

Nowadays, the same non-planning continues, with developers building for their own profits regardless of the interests of the local populace.

Further observations from the article:

Residential tower = block of flats.

'The shops would be protected from the wind and rain, but it would be completely open' sounds like a wind tunnel.

The problem with central Southampton is that much of it was decimated during WW2, after which rebuilding took place in a piecemeal fashion to get the local economy going again. Ever since then, there hasn't been any planning as such. Developers simply applied for planning permission which the council usually passed. Nowadays, the same non-planning continues, with developers building for their own profits regardless of the interests of the local populace. Further observations from the article: Residential tower = block of flats. 'The shops would be protected from the wind and rain, but it would be completely open' sounds like a wind tunnel. Rob444
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7:15pm Wed 22 Jul 09

H0ckeyd says...

I personally would knock down the East street centre BEFORE the Bargate centre, it's looked like the mall from the dawn of the dead (original) for about 10 years now, the number of customers it has makes the Bargate centre look PACKED and it really in quite an ideal location for housing (I'm suprised no-one has mentioned this.
I personally would knock down the East street centre BEFORE the Bargate centre, it's looked like the mall from the dawn of the dead (original) for about 10 years now, the number of customers it has makes the Bargate centre look PACKED and it really in quite an ideal location for housing (I'm suprised no-one has mentioned this. H0ckeyd
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7:57pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Bartonian says...

H0ckeyd wrote:
I personally would knock down the East street centre BEFORE the Bargate centre, it's looked like the mall from the dawn of the dead (original) for about 10 years now, the number of customers it has makes the Bargate centre look PACKED and it really in quite an ideal location for housing (I'm suprised no-one has mentioned this.
Totally agree with his. The place is completely hopeless, and does absolutely nothing. Hopefully this will be demolished one day, as it is just poor planning. Maybe Prince Charles could offer some advice in how to make our sorry city look anything like half decent again.
[quote][p][bold]H0ckeyd[/bold] wrote: I personally would knock down the East street centre BEFORE the Bargate centre, it's looked like the mall from the dawn of the dead (original) for about 10 years now, the number of customers it has makes the Bargate centre look PACKED and it really in quite an ideal location for housing (I'm suprised no-one has mentioned this.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with his. The place is completely hopeless, and does absolutely nothing. Hopefully this will be demolished one day, as it is just poor planning. Maybe Prince Charles could offer some advice in how to make our sorry city look anything like half decent again. Bartonian
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8:04pm Wed 22 Jul 09

King Mush says...

What about Woolston?

We need multi-storey carparks, cinema,bowling alley,mall,McD,museu
m,airport and much more.

Why do we always lose out to the other side of the water?

Bring us back our Floating Bridges while they're at it!

What about Woolston? We need multi-storey carparks, cinema,bowling alley,mall,McD,museu m,airport and much more. Why do we always lose out to the other side of the water? Bring us back our Floating Bridges while they're at it! King Mush
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8:14pm Wed 22 Jul 09

alwelch1992 says...

I think all this is a disgrace to the heart of this place.
I think all this is a disgrace to the heart of this place. alwelch1992
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8:23pm Wed 22 Jul 09

chunkybutt says...

as an ex soton resident, the more of it that is demolished the better! JUST PLEASE dont bother rebuilding ANYTHING as the WHOLE place is a s**Thole. the football team are C**P, but at least mr liebherr has somewhere nice to show off his new 1500 ton mobile crane he is building, it will look good sticking out the roof of st martyrs showground.....
as an ex soton resident, the more of it that is demolished the better! JUST PLEASE dont bother rebuilding ANYTHING as the WHOLE place is a s**Thole. the football team are C**P, but at least mr liebherr has somewhere nice to show off his new 1500 ton mobile crane he is building, it will look good sticking out the roof of st martyrs showground..... chunkybutt
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10:04pm Wed 22 Jul 09

El_duderino says...

oh great more flats. Just what we need! We might succeed in blocking out the sun entirely soon enough.

Like the idea of the street though.
oh great more flats. Just what we need! We might succeed in blocking out the sun entirely soon enough. Like the idea of the street though. El_duderino
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10:31pm Wed 22 Jul 09

Sneakyninja says...

Boris Remmington wrote:
Flatten Southampton and bring in Portsmouth planning committee and their Football Club
Have to agree there. Southampton could do with a decent planning committee like Portsmouths. It's sad to say that Pompey have taken the upper hand in making their city worth visiting.

But then a rumour went round that EBC wanted to level Eastleigh town center and start again! YES PLEASE! We could do with a pompey style overhaul.
They could start by tearing down the old martines building before it open as the new club! (I'd happierly drive the bulldozer through for free!)

Security word: Lose-mile.

The road is long for the future of Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]Boris Remmington[/bold] wrote: Flatten Southampton and bring in Portsmouth planning committee and their Football Club[/p][/quote]Have to agree there. Southampton could do with a decent planning committee like Portsmouths. It's sad to say that Pompey have taken the upper hand in making their city worth visiting. But then a rumour went round that EBC wanted to level Eastleigh town center and start again! YES PLEASE! We could do with a pompey style overhaul. They could start by tearing down the old martines building before it open as the new club! (I'd happierly drive the bulldozer through for free!) Security word: Lose-mile. The road is long for the future of Southampton. Sneakyninja
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10:35pm Wed 22 Jul 09

S Pance says...

Fools! Wake up and see what they're doing!

Surely a "covered street" is just a shopping precinct under a different name??!
Fools! Wake up and see what they're doing! Surely a "covered street" is just a shopping precinct under a different name??! S Pance
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10:38pm Wed 22 Jul 09

S Pance says...

The Bargate website currently lists OVER THIRTY businesses tranding in the bargate..

Can anyone have a look at the site and confirm whether this is correct?
The Bargate website currently lists OVER THIRTY businesses tranding in the bargate.. Can anyone have a look at the site and confirm whether this is correct? S Pance
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10:42pm Wed 22 Jul 09

chunkybutt says...

hitler had great planning commitee, it was called the lufftwaffe, unfortunately they could,nt tell the difference between london and southampton BOTH full of S**t.
hitler had great planning commitee, it was called the lufftwaffe, unfortunately they could,nt tell the difference between london and southampton BOTH full of S**t. chunkybutt
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11:01pm Wed 22 Jul 09

chunkybutt says...

OBLITERATE THE DUMP AND START AGAIN! LETS CALL IT SOLENT CITY AND HAVE THE MAIN FOOTBALL TEAM CALLED POHAM. OR POOS**t. AS THEY ARE BOTH C**p.
OBLITERATE THE DUMP AND START AGAIN! LETS CALL IT SOLENT CITY AND HAVE THE MAIN FOOTBALL TEAM CALLED POHAM. OR POOS**t. AS THEY ARE BOTH C**p. chunkybutt
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12:07am Thu 23 Jul 09

IanRRR says...

Relocate Debenhams-YES
More flats-NO
REBUILD ROYAL PIER AND OPEN UP OUR BIGGEST ASSET, THE WATERFRONT-YES YES YES! Wake up people. Southampton is the waterfront, and yet we continue to deny it. WHY?
Relocate Debenhams-YES More flats-NO REBUILD ROYAL PIER AND OPEN UP OUR BIGGEST ASSET, THE WATERFRONT-YES YES YES! Wake up people. Southampton is the waterfront, and yet we continue to deny it. WHY? IanRRR
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7:00am Thu 23 Jul 09

Family Man says...

Condor Man wrote:
Great news, just what the city needs. The Bargate was a duff centre from the start. All we need now is for the East St Shopping Centre to go.
Never a truer word. The East St Shopping Centre is an eyesore who's function is only to walk through from one side to the other. The shame about it is the retailers who have been trapped in the past in this redundant block. However if it was to go, what would replace it....another block of flats overlooking Hoglands???
[quote][p][bold]Condor Man[/bold] wrote: Great news, just what the city needs. The Bargate was a duff centre from the start. All we need now is for the East St Shopping Centre to go.[/p][/quote]Never a truer word. The East St Shopping Centre is an eyesore who's function is only to walk through from one side to the other. The shame about it is the retailers who have been trapped in the past in this redundant block. However if it was to go, what would replace it....another block of flats overlooking Hoglands??? Family Man
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7:11am Thu 23 Jul 09

Tirau Dan (NZL) says...

For goodness sake stop.

Seriously go away and have another think.

What is Southampton
What special and defining about Southampton

What will bring people into The City

What do the people in the city really need and want

Who will use what you build

Then come back and rethink again before destroying Debenhams and throwing in another white elephant edifice.

Who made these decisions and how much do they stand to make?

If all the answers are there and everything stands up to public scrutiny fine go ahead.. good luck.

ps I do like the idea of rebuilding the Royal Pier.. but not residential or a mall.
For goodness sake stop. Seriously go away and have another think. What is Southampton What special and defining about Southampton What will bring people into The City What do the people in the city really need and want Who will use what you build Then come back and rethink again before destroying Debenhams and throwing in another white elephant edifice. Who made these decisions and how much do they stand to make? If all the answers are there and everything stands up to public scrutiny fine go ahead.. good luck. ps I do like the idea of rebuilding the Royal Pier.. but not residential or a mall. Tirau Dan (NZL)
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8:55am Thu 23 Jul 09

Mick99 says...

S Pance wrote:
The Bargate website currently lists OVER THIRTY businesses tranding in the bargate.. Can anyone have a look at the site and confirm whether this is correct?
Went down there the other day, at most there is about 7 shops in the entire centre... plus the sega arcade and internet place. Must be about 25 vacant shops
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: The Bargate website currently lists OVER THIRTY businesses tranding in the bargate.. Can anyone have a look at the site and confirm whether this is correct?[/p][/quote]Went down there the other day, at most there is about 7 shops in the entire centre... plus the sega arcade and internet place. Must be about 25 vacant shops Mick99
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8:55am Thu 23 Jul 09

Mick99 says...

S Pance wrote:
The Bargate website currently lists OVER THIRTY businesses tranding in the bargate.. Can anyone have a look at the site and confirm whether this is correct?
Went down there the other day, at most there is about 7 shops in the entire centre... plus the sega arcade and internet place. Must be about 25 vacant shops
[quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: The Bargate website currently lists OVER THIRTY businesses tranding in the bargate.. Can anyone have a look at the site and confirm whether this is correct?[/p][/quote]Went down there the other day, at most there is about 7 shops in the entire centre... plus the sega arcade and internet place. Must be about 25 vacant shops Mick99
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10:08am Thu 23 Jul 09

MaxxieO says...

Here's what I'd do to sort out the city centre:

Take the roof off the Bargate Centre and modernise it to incorporate a public open space linking Hanover Blgs and East Street.

Replace the East St Centre with affordable flats (not yuppie Barratt flats)

Demolish the multistorey car park behind the BBC and build a bus station...it would be convenient for both the city centre and the railway station.

Demolish Town Quay in its entirity, apart from the ferry and car parking, it serves no useful purpose. Replace the current buildings with retail/lesiure orientated activities (a bowling alley would be nice...or even the Titanic museum) and build a new attractive terminal for the passenger ferries. Create an attractive new public space at the end of the quay (not a car park!).

Scrap West Quay phase 3 and instead build an ice rink, decent live music venue and maybe a conference centre.

Here's a really radical idea. The Town Quay Road is a barrier between the city and the waterfront. Bury it underground so pedestrians can walk from the bottom of High Street across to the waterfront without having to walk miles around to the pelican crossing.

The Castle House tower block near the Bosun's Locker pub in the old town may be of an interesting 1960s design but it really is very out of place so it should be demolished and replaced with lower density housing that is more in keeping with the surroundings.

The Oxford St and Ocean Village areas are currently isolated from the main shopping district and there needs to be a high quality corridor connecting them to High Street and East Street. At present, the area around lower Queensway and Bernard Street has a very poor aesthetic quality, with various ageing light industrial units and 1950s medium rise housing (the Holyrood estate). I suggest removing the buildings on the North side of Bernard Street between High St and Queensway (including the DSS office) and creating a new park or other landscaped area, creating a nice route from the old Holyrood church to Queensway, then also remove the industrial buildings on the South side of Bernard St between Queensway and Oxford St and create another landscaped area with a pedestrian bridge linking it to the first square. Remove the fence segregating the Holyrood Estate and give the flats a facelift, cladding them with modern materials, creating a new urban space.

Refurbish the old Tyrell and Green building and use it for an art gallery, combining the Millais gallery evicted from the Institute and some of the paintings the council don't have room to show.

Obviously these changes would be fairly radical and it would take a visionary council to deliver them but they would vastly improve the urban environment and make the city a more pleasant place to visit. Unfortunately, the current Tory administration is definitely NOT going to deliver such changes but I'm not convinced any of the others are much better.

Creating a
Here's what I'd do to sort out the city centre: Take the roof off the Bargate Centre and modernise it to incorporate a public open space linking Hanover Blgs and East Street. Replace the East St Centre with affordable flats (not yuppie Barratt flats) Demolish the multistorey car park behind the BBC and build a bus station...it would be convenient for both the city centre and the railway station. Demolish Town Quay in its entirity, apart from the ferry and car parking, it serves no useful purpose. Replace the current buildings with retail/lesiure orientated activities (a bowling alley would be nice...or even the Titanic museum) and build a new attractive terminal for the passenger ferries. Create an attractive new public space at the end of the quay (not a car park!). Scrap West Quay phase 3 and instead build an ice rink, decent live music venue and maybe a conference centre. Here's a really radical idea. The Town Quay Road is a barrier between the city and the waterfront. Bury it underground so pedestrians can walk from the bottom of High Street across to the waterfront without having to walk miles around to the pelican crossing. The Castle House tower block near the Bosun's Locker pub in the old town may be of an interesting 1960s design but it really is very out of place so it should be demolished and replaced with lower density housing that is more in keeping with the surroundings. The Oxford St and Ocean Village areas are currently isolated from the main shopping district and there needs to be a high quality corridor connecting them to High Street and East Street. At present, the area around lower Queensway and Bernard Street has a very poor aesthetic quality, with various ageing light industrial units and 1950s medium rise housing (the Holyrood estate). I suggest removing the buildings on the North side of Bernard Street between High St and Queensway (including the DSS office) and creating a new park or other landscaped area, creating a nice route from the old Holyrood church to Queensway, then also remove the industrial buildings on the South side of Bernard St between Queensway and Oxford St and create another landscaped area with a pedestrian bridge linking it to the first square. Remove the fence segregating the Holyrood Estate and give the flats a facelift, cladding them with modern materials, creating a new urban space. Refurbish the old Tyrell and Green building and use it for an art gallery, combining the Millais gallery evicted from the Institute and some of the paintings the council don't have room to show. Obviously these changes would be fairly radical and it would take a visionary council to deliver them but they would vastly improve the urban environment and make the city a more pleasant place to visit. Unfortunately, the current Tory administration is definitely NOT going to deliver such changes but I'm not convinced any of the others are much better. Creating a MaxxieO
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10:32am Thu 23 Jul 09

southampton_uk says...

Mick99 wrote:
S Pance wrote:
The Bargate website currently lists OVER THIRTY businesses tranding in the bargate.. Can anyone have a look at the site and confirm whether this is correct?
Went down there the other day, at most there is about 7 shops in the entire centre... plus the sega arcade and internet place. Must be about 25 vacant shops
there are 17
[quote][p][bold]Mick99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]S Pance[/bold] wrote: The Bargate website currently lists OVER THIRTY businesses tranding in the bargate.. Can anyone have a look at the site and confirm whether this is correct?[/p][/quote]Went down there the other day, at most there is about 7 shops in the entire centre... plus the sega arcade and internet place. Must be about 25 vacant shops[/p][/quote]there are 17 southampton_uk
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1:11pm Thu 23 Jul 09

BrixtonSaint says...

Southampton and all associated with "regenerating" the place are sh1t, always have been, always will be I'm afraid. So they're knocking down a 20 yr old mall, same as they knocked down Ocean Village because the makeup of businesses wasn't right. There's no way Debenhams would forgo the chance to relocate to WQ3 if it had the chance to. And malls, open air streets need a big name to survive. Nope, believe me, this isn't going to happen and if it does it'll be a waste.
SCC and all who sail in her obviously had labotomys at birth. The job has attracted people with true and unbending vision for too long. For crying out loud, it isn't hard to see - unless you're doing well out of the mediocre crap the cities residents have had to put up with ever since the war.
Southampton and all associated with "regenerating" the place are sh1t, always have been, always will be I'm afraid. So they're knocking down a 20 yr old mall, same as they knocked down Ocean Village because the makeup of businesses wasn't right. There's no way Debenhams would forgo the chance to relocate to WQ3 if it had the chance to. And malls, open air streets need a big name to survive. Nope, believe me, this isn't going to happen and if it does it'll be a waste. SCC and all who sail in her obviously had labotomys at birth. The job has attracted people with true and unbending vision for too long. For crying out loud, it isn't hard to see - unless you're doing well out of the mediocre crap the cities residents have had to put up with ever since the war. BrixtonSaint
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1:27pm Thu 23 Jul 09

MrGMan says...

I don't want a bus station.

I don't want a park built on for one to be built and I don't want my council tax going on a bus station.
I don't want a bus station. I don't want a park built on for one to be built and I don't want my council tax going on a bus station. MrGMan
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3:02pm Thu 23 Jul 09

Mr E says...

At the end of the day there are to many shops in Southampton since the opening of the nauseating West quay.



At the end of the day there are to many shops in Southampton since the opening of the nauseating West quay. Mr E
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1:05pm Fri 24 Jul 09

Jakebee2009 says...

Look To Be Honest , i Am 13 and the Bargate yes i agree there was alot of empty Shops there but there were those good shops , yes there was teens around in that area but there was never any damage ? It was somewere were the Teens could go and not get told off , For instance the Route one Skate Shop Teens went there to do what they wanted and Shakeaway they had a Very good Reputation becuase of the amount of people going there , But my main question is ,, Why dont they choose Eaststreet ? ,, i agree it is smaller but there is about two shops there ? agreed ? they could put the New shop there ? it has been un used and empty for years please dont get rid of Bargate !
Look To Be Honest , i Am 13 and the Bargate yes i agree there was alot of empty Shops there but there were those good shops , yes there was teens around in that area but there was never any damage ? It was somewere were the Teens could go and not get told off , For instance the Route one Skate Shop Teens went there to do what they wanted and Shakeaway they had a Very good Reputation becuase of the amount of people going there , But my main question is ,, Why dont they choose Eaststreet ? ,, i agree it is smaller but there is about two shops there ? agreed ? they could put the New shop there ? it has been un used and empty for years please dont get rid of Bargate ! Jakebee2009
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1:36am Mon 27 Jul 09

loafy says...

as much as this sounds like a good idea, i've spoken to a lot of people and everyone has the same concerns. we don't want southampton to lose it's alternative shops because they are limited in numbers anyway. in the article they only mention 3 shops however there are more than this and as much as they may be seen as not important enough to mention, we wouldn't want to be without them. the teenagers hang around in bargate because it has the shops that cater for their age group. they are popular with the younger generation and as far as i'm concerned i'd rather see kids having fun in the arcade or shopping with friends than hanging around on the streets or sat in west quay mcdonalds causing trouble. i also would like to mention what the guy above has said about East Street. East Street hasn't been used in god knows how many years, and it's practically falling down. i do not understand why we have to lose a perfectly good shopping center when there is one nearby that is out of use. if east street was knocked down we wouldn't lose our alternative shops so southampton would still be catering for a variety of tastes and we would gain a whole new shopping center not far away that would bring east street back into the limelight. if this all goes through and these shops are taken from southampton the people at the center of this decision are in for a lot of complaints. nobody seems to cater for the younger generation in southampton yet moan that we hang around the streets etc. it's about time somebody listened to what we would like because not every child/teenager wants to shop in debenhams or john lewis etc. i really hope that whoever reads this will put our point and others supporting this across because we (the people of southampton who have to live with this decision) have every right to be heard.
as much as this sounds like a good idea, i've spoken to a lot of people and everyone has the same concerns. we don't want southampton to lose it's alternative shops because they are limited in numbers anyway. in the article they only mention 3 shops however there are more than this and as much as they may be seen as not important enough to mention, we wouldn't want to be without them. the teenagers hang around in bargate because it has the shops that cater for their age group. they are popular with the younger generation and as far as i'm concerned i'd rather see kids having fun in the arcade or shopping with friends than hanging around on the streets or sat in west quay mcdonalds causing trouble. i also would like to mention what the guy above has said about East Street. East Street hasn't been used in god knows how many years, and it's practically falling down. i do not understand why we have to lose a perfectly good shopping center when there is one nearby that is out of use. if east street was knocked down we wouldn't lose our alternative shops so southampton would still be catering for a variety of tastes and we would gain a whole new shopping center not far away that would bring east street back into the limelight. if this all goes through and these shops are taken from southampton the people at the center of this decision are in for a lot of complaints. nobody seems to cater for the younger generation in southampton yet moan that we hang around the streets etc. it's about time somebody listened to what we would like because not every child/teenager wants to shop in debenhams or john lewis etc. i really hope that whoever reads this will put our point and others supporting this across because we (the people of southampton who have to live with this decision) have every right to be heard. loafy
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2:33pm Tue 28 Jul 09

Rosiee. says...

Please, no more flats :(
I'd like the add onto the point that a few other people have been making; there is a complete lack of culture in our town center and quite frankly, it's depressing.
As a teenager, I'd like people to know we are not all "hoodies" and I would love to be part of a more cultural environment.
Liverpool is an example of the culture we would benefit from seeing in our town center.
Who enjoys the view of towerblocks?
Lets make the best use of the features we have such as the walls and park area before anything else?
And where is the icerink planned to go?
Please, no more flats :( I'd like the add onto the point that a few other people have been making; there is a complete lack of culture in our town center and quite frankly, it's depressing. As a teenager, I'd like people to know we are not all "hoodies" and I would love to be part of a more cultural environment. Liverpool is an example of the culture we would benefit from seeing in our town center. Who enjoys the view of towerblocks? Lets make the best use of the features we have such as the walls and park area before anything else? And where is the icerink planned to go? Rosiee.
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10:52pm Thu 30 Jul 09

lovetheuk says...

Ah the local tory's using their council position to feather the nets of their mates in the same club at your expense. Do you need it? Are more people shopping online? You saints are run by sinners, pity a once proud city has been sleazed.
Ah the local tory's using their council position to feather the nets of their mates in the same club at your expense. Do you need it? Are more people shopping online? You saints are run by sinners, pity a once proud city has been sleazed. lovetheuk
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